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Hi,
as I said claims ? stories ? funny pictures ? : as you want real good informations, patents, documents, scientific facts, physics, even model/brand of devices !: nothing of nothing Also really made tests (Randi's coins challenge) are contestated and re-challenged cause of pretentious words ! What's puzzling me again is that in this kind of tests, rules, defined before the test is performed by agrrement between observers/challengers and person who claim LRL works, must be respected also after test conclusion. It's not a good thing that person that lose the challenge then can say: OK THAT WAS A BAD TEST CAUSE ... SO BAD RESULTS ARE DUE TO... NOT THAT WHAT I CLAIMED I CAN DO IS BOGUS! Websites answers and challenges are for few people only: TV IS THE MEDIUM FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I've seen some of these "tests" performed around another funny topic : "paranormal activities" Same thing: people that claim find stuff under paper cups 7/10, buried stuff, in which place a person in a photo is in that moment, etc and other claims too, other "powers" But that tests were conducted "live broadcast" on a TV channel: first was a lecture of rules, then handshake between people there, then test was performed.  Results were ALL : nobody won the PRIZE (more than 1 million dollars value) BUT MOST IMPORTANT: TESTS HAVE GREAT SHARE ! MILLION PEOPLES SAW THEM AND MAKE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S that claimed "paranormal activities" really are. No proofs, nobody can give any, that LRLs work. Just dumb or naive THs that buy thinking they work cause they read tons of BS on this or that LRL manifacture/seller website. TO LRL GUYS: IF YOU LRL MANIFACTURERS/SELLERS CAN GIVE PROOFS YOUR STUFF WORK, OK, JUST NEEDED FIND AN AGREEMENT WITH CHALLENGERS, A TV CHANNEL AND SOME SPONSORS... SEEMS NOT SO DIFFICAULT ! AND YOU COULD GAIN ALSO FREE ADVERTISE IF YOUR STUFF WORK ! SO WHY NOT ??? Otherwise you have no credit this stuff really work. That's my point of view. Best regards, Max 
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08-08-2007, 08:06 PM
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What is Dell trying to hide?
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I asked questions: •Which of Carl's contest rules would prevent a LRL from locating the hidden 10 ounce gold bar? •Can Dell demonstrate his X-Scan actually doing what is described on his web page? •Can Dell's LRL find a hidden 10 ounce gold bar from 10 feet distance? •Is the reason he says the test is unfair because his LRL cannot locate a gold bar from 10 feet? Dell gave no answer to these questions, instead he made accusation of lies. I explained the reason why he doesn't want people to see Randi's account of the field testing on his LRL. Did anyone lie? Isn't it true he doesn't want people to believe Randi because Randi reports his LRL failed to pass the test? Did Randi lie about the test results like Dell claims? If Randi lied, and Dell can prove it in a court of law, then why didn't Dell prove it like he says he can? Is it because Dell cannot really prove it in a court of law? Is it because his LRL cannot find which of the 10 holes the hidden gold is in? A pattern is emerging that is beginning to make the picture clearer: What I read in this forum leads me to believe Dell is deliberately posting misleading information. I see this continuing pattern that appears Dell is motivated to confuse the details of the Vernell products and conceal the facts about Vernon Rose's involvement in the manufacture of his Omnitron products. For example: Example 1. look at Dell's statement: Quote:
Example 2. The only other time Dell admitted Vernell made the Dell Omnitron was when I made some inquiries, and after three evasive answers he was forced to admit it. How did the world know about this "secret" of the Omnitron label before Dell finally admitted it? What did Dell mean by his comment: "I am weary of wasting my time answering questions that are none of your business." http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...akes#post56337 Does it look like Dell has been making this information available to the whole world, or was he trying to conceal it? How could anyone know that the Dell Omnitron VR 800 is not the Dell Omnitron VR 800 when Dell says it is "none of your business?" Only the people who happened to read that forum post would know! Does this sound like a deceptive business practice to you? Is Dell trying to conceal something? Example 3. In an earlier post where we were trying to discover the details about the Vernell Magnacast 5000, Dell unexpectedly jumped in and posted some fake web reference that led people to believe the tradenames Vernell used did not originate from Vernon Rose like he knew they did, but from some obscure programmer's website. His disinformation tactic was quickly exposed. Read about it here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...tory#post53993 If Dell knew that Vernon Rose was the inventor of the tradename "forward gauss", then why did he hide this knowledge from the rest of us? Example 4. In that same thread where Dell attempted to spread disinformation about the Vernell LRL, you will see him later attacking a member's comprehension of english rather than answering his question about what conditions Dell claimed made the Vernell VR impractical for his use in 1988. Again, Dell is concealing the details about the Vernell LRLs. Why would he do that? Example 5. Yesterday Dell made another confusing comment: Quote:
Example 6. Dell makes reference to an EE who designed his circuitry here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...hour#post44158 Who was this EE who designed Dell's early Omnitrons? Was this the same Vernon Rose who founded Vernell Electronics? Is it a cooincidence that Carl calls the circuits made by Vernell garbage and also calls the circuits in the Omnitron garbage? Or is this EE the same Vernon Rose who made the circuitry that Carl called garbage? Is Dell willing to let his consumers know which EE designed his circuitry, or is this also something that Dell wants to conceal? Example 7. Since Dell is now confusing the issue of what LRL he used to perform the Randi field test, then perhaps he can tell us what LRL he used, and who designed and built the electronics in it. Do you suppose it might be the same Vernon Rose who built this LRL for Dell to use in Randi's test? Is there some reason why Dell wants to conceal this information, while at the same time calling Randi a liar? These examples seem to all be centered around the same objective: Hide the details of Dell's involvement with Vernell. But why would Dell try to conceal the details about Vernell's involvement with the Dell Omnitron products? Dell is safe from the Federal Trade Commission, they are looking for bigger fish. Is it possible that if someone would reveal the secrets Dell is hiding, maybe the FTC would take a closer look at what Dell was involved in back when he launched the Omnitron? Do you think this is the reason he refuses to tell the real story about Vernell and the others, and will not sue anyone? Is Dell afraid the witnesses will tell the truth on the witness stand and incriminate him as a fraud and accessory? Is this why we see threats of how he can sue Randi and win in court, but he never does? The FTC is only empowered to file civil suits against people that defraud consumers. But in recent years they have been working with the justice department to treat these as criminal offenses. We now see that business owners who are convicted of fraud are spending their time in a federal penitentiary. Do you suppose Dell is aware of this and was advised by his attorney to stop threatening to sue people? Is Dell afraid he may be sent to the federal penitentiary? Is this also the reason why Dell will not demonstrate his LRLs working as the words on his website describe them working? Dell hasn't answered any of these questions. Can anyone else? Best wishes, J_P
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08-08-2007, 08:44 PM
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Dressing up a dowsing rod with some fanciful electronics is just a blatant scam to trap the unwary. When you combine this with the even more fanciful idea of "map dowsing" it just makes the mind boggle. Unfortunately Dell actually seems to believe this stuff. "Our capacity for self-deception has no known limits" - Michael Novak
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08-09-2007, 05:57 AM
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08-10-2007, 02:43 AM
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A little clarification regarding the VR800...
When I first wrote the report, it was based on what I had in hand, and what it said. The shipping box said it came from Dell Systems. The manual said Dell Systems. The front of the unit said Dell Systems. The rear label said Dell Systems. Based on all that, I assumed the device came from Dell Systems. It makes no difference to me what individual actually designed the circuit, operated the soldering iron, or the hot glue gun. Consider a White's detector... it comes from White's Electronics, regardless of whether the design engineer is a contract hire, or the PCB was assembled in Taiwan. White's is responsible for the products they sell under their label, regardless of how the products came about. Even if they take a cheapo Chinese detector, and slap a White's label on it, it is now a White's detector, on which their reputation rides. The same is true for Dell Systems... when Dell plasters his brand name all over the product, it's his product. When the product is opened and found to be amateurish nonsense, the finger points to Dell. That's the way it goes. It's pretty obvious Dell is not proud of what he sold, as his tries his best to shirk responsibility for it. I have also had (on loan) another VR unit, and the owner states he bought it directly from Dell. And I own a GS Pro model, which Dell has already admitted to making. They are the same sort of nonsense as the VR800, so Dell's denials of the VR800 are hollow indeed. And since he continues to sell the same sort of rubbish he is so obviously ashamed of in the VR800, I have little choice but to assume he knows it's all rubbish. Stand up, Dell, and take responsibility for your products! Regarding his test with Randi, I have no idea what device he used. I've never claimed it was any VR unit, and I don't recall Dell ever saying. Doesn't really matter, it had dowsing rods, and it didn't work. - Carl
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08-10-2007, 04:00 AM
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Carl, You need to do a lot of clarification, and a lot of apologizing. You keep letting the truth get in the way of your agenda to "Put me out of business" destroy my livelihood,and joining Randi, in his lies to ruin my life long reputation for honesty and integrity. You're own dis-honesty and deceit are a disgrace to the electronic & Scientific community.
You are soley responsible for the content of your website, supplying deceptive photo's for Randi, to use in international publications, and you have allowed, and encouraged your followers to perpertrate yours and Randi's lies about me to go beyond the boundries of ethics and decency. Have you ever had any of my customers tell you my products work as I say they do? Dell
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08-10-2007, 05:14 AM
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I stand behind everything I've posted on my web site. My LRL findings are completely accurate, and I back them up with a $25,000 guarantee. If that isn't good enough for you, then you are free to follow Jim Thomas' lead and take me to court, where you will lose in a spectacular way.
BTW, Randi takes his own photos. - Carl
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08-10-2007, 05:48 AM
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Have you ever had any of my customers tell you my products work as I say they do?
Dell
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08-10-2007, 08:14 AM
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08-10-2007, 09:29 AM
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• Which of Carl's contest rules would prevent a LRL from locating the hidden 10 ounce gold bar? • Can you demonstrate the X-Scan actually doing what is described on your web page? • Can your LRL find a 10 ounce gold bar hidden under a cup from 10 feet distance? • Is the reason you say Carl's test is unfair because your LRL cannot locate a gold bar from 10 feet? • If you can prove Randi lied in a court of law, why don't you? Dell, we have been trying to learn these facts, but you conceal the truth about them. Please tell us, who is the idiot who knows the answers, yet pretends like he is trying to educate us instead of concealing the facts about these questions? Are you lying to us Dell Winders? Do you think we are too stupid to know the truth? Best wishes, J_P
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08-11-2007, 02:14 AM
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To the best of my recollection, none of your customers has ever told me that they've located and recovered any buried treasure with your products. - Carl *And how, by the way, do you say they work?
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