Gravitator small but powerfull

[Great_Alex]

I use a Gravitator long range locator about 2 year .I test and use it on many archaeological sites and cash hunting , it's very sensitive to gold or silver but :
1. it has some fault signals from non metalic objects like ashes and voids
2. I can't estimate size of object because it has not any signal strenght meter or gravity indicator (the signal of a coin and jar full of coin is the same).
3. no way to estimate depth of target
4. I can't trust results by Gravitator unless i check it by a Lorenz PI detector (it has no way to checking results i must use another device)

5. some times it's very sensitive some times not but always you can test it on sample gold or silver target unlike the other LRLs that i had worked it's realy works no need to ionized gold and ancient target.

why sometimes the gravitator has fault signal and what make fault signal ?

[Max]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

I use a Gravitator long range locator about 2 year .I test and use it on many archaeological sites and cash hunting , it's very sensitive to gold or silver but :
1. it has some fault signals from non metalic objects like ashes and voids
2. I can't estimate size of object because it has not any signal strenght meter or gravity indicator (the signal of a coin and jar full of coin is the same).
3. no way to estimate depth of target
4. I can't trust results by Gravitator unless i check it by a Lorenz PI detector (it has no way to checking results i must use another device)

5. some times it's very sensitive some times not but always you can test it on sample gold or silver target unlike the other LRLs that i had worked it's realy works no need to ionized gold and ancient target.

why sometimes the gravitator has fault signal and what make fault signal ?

Hi Great,

"
1. it has some fault signals from non metalic objects like ashes and voids "
so it's an anomaly revealer

"3. no way to estimate depth of target"
so say that sometimes it sounds and you don't know why...(?)

"4. I can't trust results by Gravitator unless i check it by a Lorenz PI detector (it has no way to checking results i must use another device)"
so you need a reliable md to be "sure" it's not a radio station or anything else

"
5. some times it's very sensitive some times not but always you can test it on sample gold or silver target unlike the other LRLs that i had worked it's realy works no need to ionized gold and ancient target."
seems good, but sampling how ? in air tests ? in ground ? please explain

some other questions:

If it detects gold, can it discriminate between metals or not? Sounds e.g. with lead or aluminium too ? in the same way ? and with iron ???

What about power lines ??? They interfere or not ?
What about weather conditions, humidity, temperature, ...???

Best regards,
Max

[Rudy]

Another satisfied Electroscope owner.

[Great_Alex]

Hi Max

it detects ancient treasure very good and have a good pinpoint .it can discriminate between only gold & silver no other metals and doesn't detect other metals at all .it dosen't reaction on iron and other metals... it works well on air or in ground testing .but when you're on a treasure mound in real field test it detect treasure but it become unstable and detects anomalous.

please more explain about "so say that sometimes it sounds and you don't know why...(?) " it has not any VCO or voice indicator ?!.
it's not sensitive to humidity or temperature but when soil moisture is high increases fault signals

[Max]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

Hi Max

it detects ancient treasure very good and have a good pinpoint .it can discriminate between only gold & silver no other metals and doesn't detect other metals at all .it dosen't reaction on iron and other metals... it works well on air or in ground testing .but when you're on a treasure mound in real field test it detect treasure but it become unstable and detects anomalous.

please more explain about "so say that sometimes it sounds and you don't know why...(?) " it has not any VCO or voice indicator ?!.
it's not sensitive to humidity or temperature but when soil moisture is high increases fault signals

Hi Great_Alex,
seems so good...well if it works this way...having other instruments to complete the job is not a problem I think.
I don't know how it works so don't speculate on false signals generation causes...I can say that if it's an "electrometer" type rf interference and also power lines and other stuff could produce falsing.

"it has not any VCO or voice indicator ?!" --> visual indication ?

"it's not sensitive to humidity or temperature but when soil moisture is high increases fault signals"
Well...I think it's good in this case ! I'd like to have one too...how much have you paid for this LRL ???

One can't have everything !
If you find gold...silver...why worring about some minor problems ?

Best regards,
Max

Gravitator is bs !!!
Same as mineoro,lectra,ranger teller,electroscope,omnitron...etc...etc
Good luck with it!

[Max]

Originally Posted by robert

Gravitator is bs !!!
Same as mineoro,lectra,ranger teller,electroscope,omnitron...etc...etc
Good luck with it!

Hi Robert,
hey, take it easy man...I don't really want to buy such a thing...
It was just a bit of SARCASM.

If I don't know how it works or supposed to...well...could be "black magic" or voodoo ....ehm...best to keep away...with a closed and full wallet in my pocket!

I don't belive all this stuff work for real...maybe something is just a kind of dowsing rod...and that's all...
Everything else is, from a scientific point of view...a "BALL SHEET".
Means something to launch in the trash can...

Best regards,
Max

Amen!

[Great_Alex]

Hi Max

don't judge before test it.
I don't tell you lie and you must know some times in hard trrain you can't use normal devices. somewhere maybe was Heavy reinforced foundation and huge steel construction.you can't use MD or GPR or ... .maybe it guide you to a better target.I use the LRL only for finding HOTSPOTS it's the first step.

Best regards

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

it detects ancient treasure very good and have a good pinpoint

Have you actually recovered any ancient treasure using the Gravitator?

[Great_Alex]

Dear Carl

I found two jar of golden coins in September 2006 .But ididn't use all the works with gravitator.I used A Minelab Explorer XS for finding trash and small piece of metals in shallow ground because these trashes makes false signals on my LORENZ DEEPMAX PI detector . infact the real work did with the Lorenz.I followed the gravitator attraction of distance about 400 meters .

it covered with a high strenght concrete in depth of about 2 meters.but that was unsuccess because my friends going to kill me . and if my .357 MAG wasn't with me. I wrote this from hell.i escaped because they're 5 and i'm alone...
and after that i kissed away treasure hunting (but i'm a TH patient).

best regards

[Great_Alex]

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

I found two jar of golden coins in September 2006 .

it covered with a high strenght concrete in depth of about 2 meters.but that was unsuccess because my friends going to kill me .

I don't understand... you say you found 2 jars of coins... did you dig them up and actually see them?

[Great_Alex]

Yeah I did it but It's not very strange that i see and dig the treasure up.because my land is very ancient and that's place of ancient wars.maybe you shocked cause i said 'I use gravitator '.my gravitator has more than 5 fault good attraction that day . in treasure hunting Luck(God) should help you unless you never win.

[michael]

Great Alex, it sounds you are like me from middle east , is it right?
If so, you're right, here treasures are so much fantastic that people in other regions don't believe.
if you like, start to have some e-mail or PM communications.

[Great_Alex]

Dear Michael
I respect to carl or other members opinion even they don't believe me.i try to do my job well,and nothing else matters.

This is my email : GreatAlexx@yahoo.com
I invite everyone to communicate.


Best Regards
Alex

[michael]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

I respect to carl or other members opinion even they don't believe me.i try to do my job well,and nothing else matters.

And me too.

"...two jar of golden coins ..."
Say, arent you Michaels relative...? Jars all arround??? How come that none of us ever find any gold in jar? I know people who found many times gold...but never in jar?
Gravitatir is BULLSHEET same as any mineoro device, same as Dell Omnitron, same as Lectra,blah,blah....tellers....BULLSHEET! PERIOD!
No jars....just your imagination!

[Great_Alex]

Hey Robert

So say you're a nugget hunter not a treasure hunter.

[michael]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

Hey Robert
So say you're a nugget hunter not a treasure hunter.

That's it, one nugget or for high optipism is a coin shooter. I said you Alex some people oppose to this why? cose what they haven't experienced, is impossible from their standpoint, and start to accuse us as mineoro personnel or relative or..... other absurd things. what a rational and logical guys.

Hi Michael!
Whats new with your mineoro? (wasted money)
Any founds with it? Any jars in a sand?
regards!

[michael]

Hi Robert, honestly nothing, maybe a wasted money, I've come back from our latest expedition.
as a matter of fact this unit gives signals and becomes giddy in special places where are somehow hot from treasure standpoint. of course it's not at all like they claimed, at all. and I can't tell it work and can't tell definitely doesn't work, but you can only find some hot places where worth to be concentrated with pinpointers nothing more, to find a point is impossible as it gives false signals frequently one of these places was checked by Rover C and it shows one big underground cavity like a hidden room. there had been one digging by other team who were explicitly searching for a treasure without any success. mineoro gave signal 2 meters beyond the dug place and we all checked there by FG80 and all got signal of course we didn't get from far distance, just from 3- 4 meters.
(why lie? it's a fact it's an erroneous thing this device doesn't worth more than 500$ and they should be ashamed for sellind such rip-off price.)

But this is one thing, existence of jars of gold coins other thing, why do you mix them up each other?
one instrument works or not doesn't concern to existence objects or change it.
meanwhile here we less often deal with sands. jars are not on surface in sands or beaches, man, ancient people were much more intelligent to put big objects in loose and insecure areas. in these places you just find single coins or maybe nuggets.
Robert, albeit you are a bitter sarcastic I respect your knowledge.

[hung]

Originally Posted by michael

to find a point is impossible as it gives false signals frequently

Sounds like over tuning. The FG does not give false signals. It beeps because it's in presence of an electrical field causeing ionization. If for some reason it's falsing, it's definetly overtuned causing higher threshold and naturally beeping. Try this:

Mark the spot where you say it's beeping. Now lower calibration and very slowly scan from left to right the spot from a confortable distance. If it does not beep, start to gently increase sens until you hear the beep over that spot. Confirm this by keeping scanning the area and making sure it's beeping only over the mentioned spot.
I can't see why you could not be able to pinpoint it. The only situation I fore see some difiiculty is when you detect coins for instance which are spread on the ground. But still they can be recovered one by one with some experience and patience.

We had 2 FGs in my expedition. Both beeped at the same spot. I took one to go inside the cave and could easily pinpoint the location on the wall pretty much doing what I told you above. I don't see why you cannot do the same.

one of these places was checked by Rover C and it shows one big underground cavity like a hidden room. there had been one digging by other team who were explicitly searching for a treasure without any success. mineoro gave signal 2 meters beyond the dug place and we all checked there by FG80 and all got signal of course we didn't get from far distance, just from 3- 4 meters.

Sounds like either a small object or a weak ionic/electrostatic field. How recent had this side been dug?

I'm sure if you had the GIG on, it would be easier to pinpoint, provided there's really something there as I think it does.
Despite of that there's no reason why you should not be able to do so with your present model anyway.

As I told you in the past, the more you use it on the field, the more experience you will get regarding calibration tricks, and emiting more precise diagnostics, as it seems only now you returned to the field due to weather conditions.

I wish I was there to help you. But it seems as difficult for me right now flying there, as it is to you going to Mineoro to remedy your doubts.

[michael]

Originally Posted by hung

Sounds like over tuning. The FG does not give false signals. It beeps because it's in presence of an electrical field causeing ionization. If for some reason it's falsing, it's definetly overtuned causing higher threshold and naturally beeping. Try this:
Mark the spot where you say it's beeping. Now lower calibration and very slowly scan from left to right the spot from a confortable distance. If it does not beep, start to gently increase sens until you hear the beep over that spot. Confirm this by keeping scanning the area and making sure it's beeping only over the mentioned spot.
I can't see why you could not be able to pinpoint it. The only situation I fore see some difiiculty is when you detect coins for instance which are spread on the ground. But still they can be recovered one by one with some experience and patience.

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.
and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?
you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.
what a frustrating!!!

Sounds like either a small object or a weak ionic/electrostatic field. How recent had this side been dug?.

It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.

I'm sure if you had the GIG on, it would be easier to pinpoint, provided there's really something there as I think it does.
Despite of that there's no reason why you should not be able to do so with your present model anyway.

Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.
By this time FG80 was doing its' job as the best, now it needs other thing? other thing puts

[hung]

Originally Posted by michael

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.

Michael I'm sure you are an experienced THunter but you have to bear in mind that with so many devices around, you would have to use the same one on coutless situations in order to master it.

Your description above reminds me of my early FG80 model. When I used to tune it to a 'no target' spot I had to be careful not to over turn threshold as when I pointed to a true target, it behaved they way you describe above.
Also I returned it to factory to have a slight mod in capacitor value which was causing this. I should point however that it was detecting fine, only with this little annoying behaviour. When the cap was replaced it got quieter, that's all. I'm not saying that this is the case regarding yours, specially after you told them you wanted your detector with the cap mod done. So it could be another thing. You will have to discover. And to do this you have to use it all the time and test it everytime so you are ready for a diagnostic.

I, myself when face similar issues, keep investigating till I get a verdict. And in the end, the verdict proves to be true.

and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?

Well if you point it to a spot and it starts to beep 'crazily' simply mark the place and dig. But first try to confirm detection testing it several times and making sure it beeps. Then try to use center & deep to determine depth. If that's not possible, maybe because the object is small, remain in place until you are abolutely sure where the object is and use your Rover C to spot it.

you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.

Recalibrate again and it should re-appear.

It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.

If it's more than 2 years than the field is fully recovered. Unless the place gets transit by cars, motorbikes, engines, etc.
Again, if the FG beeps there in the same direction, in the same spot, etc. there's something there. Otherwise not. And you have to make sure about this.

Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.

Yes but it should be a good pinpointer since detection happens at a lower range and should be more precise.
Another thing you could do is while searching having someone using the C&dDeep ahead of the detector, sweeping the ground for pinpoining. Once the detector beeps confirm sweeping it back and forth. Detector should beep accordingly. Although I still did not try this with the FG, only with the PDC, it should work.

Two tips to know your detector is working fine.

1 - Calibrate it as usual. Pass it close to a fluorescent light bulb, infra red source, power line panel, etc. It should emit a continuous beep while in front or at the length of source.

2 - Inside your car if well calibrated, the detector should beep when you press or release the brake light. An optimal setting would be beeping when pressing and releasing the pedal. If it does without 'going crazy' it's sensitive enough.

Hope this helps and you suceed at last.

PS. When you turn the switch on does the led lights up (red) or it remains unlit and lights only when beeps happen?