MINERO

[Esteban]

As Robert is blind by Mineoro's threads, he don't see another thread! Of course, Mineoro's threads isn't for projects. Maybe no all the complicate expect by he, but is a good starting. I post 2 days ago about the thread Zahori. The thread consist in:

1. The three pages of the article (in Spanish) and explanation of some info in old threads and the Russian version (exact copy) as "Biolokator" (???)

2. The photo of the kind of device and many modifications for to simplify and make usable.

3. The last mod (pin 9 no connection to -).

4. A posterior publication of ionic detector for positive and negative ions (look the similarities with Zahori, but by the same magazine).

6. Variation of input connection via cap.

In the audio output is all the info of the detection... the rest of the job is yours.

[miqui]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Sure, no problem...

Here's the main PC board:



There is a microcontroller, a piezo buzzer, some misc components, a "sensor" (top-center), and a "black box" (top-right). The large trace around the perimeter is a loop antenna, which would not be the least bit necessary if the device works according to Mineoro's claims. The oval trace around the sensor, and some components connected to it, are otherwise isolated from the rest of the circuitry, and do nothing.

The sensor is a piece of PVC pipe filled with epoxy:



This is the one piece I did not have permission to dissect. But it functions as a proximity detector, as the device beeps when objects are about 1/2 inch away.

The black box revealed this nifty little circuit:



I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

- Carl

P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.

hi carl,

may you e-mail me a esquematic diageam of the lrl in order to analize it?

thanks,
miqui
miquijacobo@hotmail.com

[detectoman]

this is an mineoro a simple circuit, i invent one similar in my six months i born
these device mineoro is only a fist of electronicas pieces made pile is single

ok detectoman

"RObert" is not blind at all..... RObert is here all the time, updating whole
forum every day. RObert is just sick of your claims and nonsences and further
no coments.....
I do not want to put Carl in a position to be pushed to act somehow here,
therefore i am not that "blue" to continue to argue with you ignorants any more !


Mineoro products are scum,trash and rubbish DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON IT !!!

[Esteban]

"Robert" said:

Mineoro products are scum,trash and rubbish DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON IT !!!

Maybe you're correct, maybe not, but accusations demmand proof from your part. Obviously, you're hide as Robert, so is very easy to launch accusations based in nothing! Be a serious person and show your real name. Also you don't show your private mail, very intelligent, so is very difficult to track you.
This is the only truth.

I am not one man band.....Esteban you are now smart! Congratulations!
Under RObert nick there are team of people, all experts in electronics,physics
et.etc. There are plenty of names,mails etc...etc..
Regards Esteban, you showed here that you are very smart...

[Esteban]

I'm curious what can do your team for to solve your problem...

There are not in books, there are in large experimenting in outdoor fields, no indoor...

Joke again.......good esteban....

[mineorogreece]

Hello members of this forum
I just wanted to ask your opinion regarding the mineoro.Recently I discovered this.
I calibrated the pdc210fg and then set it on the ground.Then I got a 1.5v battery and started to shortcircuit it.The pdc beeped everytime I shortcircuited it quickly, even from 3 meters away.This means that it truly detects the shortcircuit of the positive and negative ions in it's chamber?
Waiting for your comments.
Jim

[J_Player]

If the pdc beeped everytime you shortcircuited a battery quickly, this means the pdc beeped every time you shorted the battery. It does not mean anything about ions.

The existence of measurable ions inside the chamber being sensed has never been proven by anyone. The fact that the machine beeped is proof only that it beeped when you short-circuited a battery nearby.

I cannot tell you the reason why it beeped unless I am able to test the machine with instruments that can accurately observe the circuiry working, and measure what caused it to beep when you shorted the battery. Others in this forum have much better instruments than I do. If you were to allow someone such as Carl repeat your test with his instruments, he could probably tell you exactly why it beeped.

I highly doubt the reason is because of ions inside the chamber. I would suspect electromagnetic noise or radio noise caused by minute arcing when the spark occurs due to shorting a battery. This kind of interference causes many instruments to pick up the noise. But then this explanation is only speculation.

[mineorogreece]

So what you are actually saying is that it can pick up the minute arcing of the positive and negative shortcircuit of the ions in the battery from long distance.So why cant it be picking up the minute arcing when the negative gold ions are shortcircuiting with the positive gold ions in it's chamber?
Just thinking
Jim

[J_Player]

...Quote by mineorogreece:
So what you are actually saying is that it can pick up the minute arcing of the positive and negative shortcircuit of the ions in the battery from long distance.So why cant it be picking up the minute arcing when the negative gold ions are shortcircuiting with the positive gold ions in it's chamber?
Just thinking
Jim

I am not saying that at all. If you read my answer, I said "It does not mean anything about ions".

I never said that it has anything to do with ions in the chamber. If you read my statements about ions you will see these words: "The existence of measurable ions inside the chamber being sensed has never been proven by anyone. The fact that the machine beeped is proof only that it beeped when you short-circuited a battery nearby". "I highly doubt the reason is because of ions inside the chamber".

I cannot understand how you came to conlcude I am saying there is some working mechanism of ions in the chamber. And also how you determined that i am saying the pdc can detect ions in the battery from a long distance. It is ludicrous for you to try to claim these are my statements. I am not so stupid as to say anything as un-believable as that.

If it helps you to understand what I actually said, you can read the words in my previous post, rather than the new words you tried to re-write for me.


Here is a simpler-to-read outline of what I think about your report of beeping on the pdc:

1. If your report is accurate, then it proves that the pdc beeped when you short circuited the battery. It does not prove anything about ions or long distances more than the distances you observed.

2. The minute arcing that I referred to happens whenever a battery with a charge is short circuited in air. I made mo commentary to suggest that the pdc is sensing ions from this arc. In fact my speculation is that there are electromagnetic waves which are commonly thought of as "noise" being radiated into the air as a result of a rapid increase in current flow through the conductor which is shorting the battery. This radiated wave could be coupling with some of the circuitry within the pdc. I have noticed this phenomenon cause measurable signals in a number of electronic instruments.

3. As I stated, It is only my speculation that this is the source of the beeping in your pdc. When I say it is speculation, this means it is NOT a fact, but only my theory based on the limited information you provided. I cannot determine the actual cause of the beeps in your pdc without conducting tests on the machine.

The final part of your post is where you ask: "So why cant it be picking up the minute arcing when the negative gold ions are shortcircuiting with the positive gold ions in it's chamber?"

Nobody knows why it can't do that. Perhaps the reason is because it has no mechanism which allows it to do that. Perhaps there are no gold ions short circuiting in the chamber. If you want to know for sure, I would suggest you send the machine to a testing lab to find out if there are really any measurable ions of any kind in that chamber. If the lab tells you yes, then have them test the flow of ions and current in the sensor to see if it changes when in the proximity of distant buried treasures.

So far, nobody I ever heard of has been able to find any measureable ions inside a mineoro chamber, and nobody on earth is willing to conduct a live demonstration of a mineoro detector finding treasure. Maybe that will help shed some light on the answer to your question of why a pdc can't pick up the "minute arcing".

[strujas]

Does anybody know how much cost mineoro pdc 210 and mineoro fg79?

[hung]

Originally Posted by strujas

Does anybody know how much cost mineoro pdc 210 and mineoro fg79?

The PDC 210 is discontinued, however you may contact Mineoro to check if they still have any in stock and see the price that you can get.

The FG 79 is not out yet and I think is little less than $8,000. But I can be wrong.

[strujas]

Thanx

[Dell Winders]

The owner of the unit I field tested wishes to sell his Mineoro. At the moment he is in the hospital with quadruple by-pass surgery. When he returns home I will find out the asking price, along with pertinent information and post it. Dell

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

The owner of the unit I field tested wishes to sell his Mineoro. At the moment he is in the hospital with quadruple by-pass surgery. When he returns home I will find out the asking price, along with pertinent information and post it. Dell

Sorry to hear about his health Dell. Hope he recovers fast.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by mineorogreece

Hello members of this forum
I just wanted to ask your opinion regarding the mineoro.Recently I discovered this.
I calibrated the pdc210fg and then set it on the ground.Then I got a 1.5v battery and started to shortcircuit it.The pdc beeped everytime I shortcircuited it quickly, even from 3 meters away.This means that it truly detects the shortcircuit of the positive and negative ions in it's chamber?
Waiting for your comments.
Jim

Shorting the terminals of a battery will produce some broadband electromagnetic interference. As shown by Carl in an earlier post, there is a small radio receiver built into the Mineoro. See image below:

Originally Posted by carl

I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

- Carl

P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.

[michael]

what happens in a shortcircuit is diferent of radio waves. as you mentioned is an electromagnetic interference, but not necessarily radio waves. If it's so, then for assurance can make a confirmatory test;
turn on a radio transmitter near mineoro then change any option; frequency and output voltage(sensitivity).frequently turn it on/off. Let us know the results. If I had a mineoro, definitely would do it.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by michael

what happens in a shortcircuit is diferent of radio waves. as you mentioned is an electromagnetic interference, but not necessarily radio waves. If it's so, then for assurance can make a confirmatory test;
turn on a radio transmitter near mineoro then change any option; frequency and output voltage(sensitivity).frequently turn it on/off. Let us know the results. If I had a mineoro, definitely would do it.

I disagree. Radio waves and electromagnetic waves are the same thing. Unless (of course) your definition of radio waves means that they are modulated in some way. I do not know what type of "radio" receiver is contained in the Mineoro, but it doesn't look too complicated, and may be just an RF amplifier. In which case it would easily pick up the interference from a nearby spark transmitter.

[goldfinder]

I posted this in IONIC MECHANISM but maybe it fits better here.

To all doing the ION detectors,
From building several so called ion detectors (Ivconic, Zahori, etc.) I find that they all do a good job of detecting electrostatic fields but are lousy in detection of ions. I decided that the ion detector must be able to distinguish between the two or one doesn't have any reliable way to tell if ions are being detected or it is simply an electrostatic field.

To solve this conumdrum I ran a few tests with my ion/ES detector and found that ions have a very rapid pulse associaled with them. This would be analogous to what Esteban referred to in one memo saying the Minero gave a "pop" in the earphones when an ion was detected. Conversely, the ES fields were much slower transitions.

The "radio receiver" in the Mineoro detector is possibly a pulse (high frequency) detector and if it is a radio, it is a very poor way to do a pulse detect that comes from an ion or ion discharge.

In my tests I set off sparks by walking across my carpet with acrylic socks and then touched a ground location to create a spark discharge. That would be ion discharges and high speed discharges. I adjusted my oscope to detect anything over 50 Khz as output from the my ion/ES detector circuit. I found that the only spark discharges were detected and the electrostatic fields that I created around the antenna would be totally ignored as far as triggering the Oscope.

So now I am going to install a glitch grabber circuit into my detector circuit and see how that works.

As an aside, I did a lot of field tests looking for buried treasure with my ion/ES detector and so far have found absolutely nothing. The detector is so sensitive that my feet generate ES and possibly ion discharges that make the detector meter do wild. So to counter this I take a few steps that then use the detector.

Any inputs on a simple glitch detector would be appreciated.

If there is a pony in all this ion horsepucky TH stuf I'll find it.

Goldfinder

[michael]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

The detector is so sensitive that my feet generate ES and possibly ion discharges that make the detector meter do wild. So to counter this I take a few steps that then use the detector.

Which one is so sensitive; built base on Ivconic or Zahori circuit?
which one is more satisfiable, stable and precise? Thanks a lot.

[rumensat]

i agree with Qiaozhi, he is absolutely right when shortcut battery it produce electomagnetic waves with wery large freqency spectrum - from khz to mhz
you can recieve with any radio reciever.
about black box it is for low freqency becose of ferit transformer (may be coil) for me it is generator for 5-10 khz
about board there is antena printed on board very similar to car alarm remote unit working around 422 mhz
there is very strange parts not logical to be together
there is any opamp for taking small signals and to put them in PIC

[J_Player]

Hmmm... I been reading about this "ion crashing" stuff for awhile, and it occurred to me there's something wrong with this picture. First off, there is no record of "ion crashing" anywhere in the history of physics that I ever read about. Now maybe it is true that ions really do crash and make signals that a Mineoro machine can hone in on to detect incredible treasures from long distances. but what if.... just suppose...


Maybe there is no such thing as ions "crashing" in a way that makes a signal to be sensed. Now I am not saying there is no such thing, I am only asking "what if the theory is wrong"...


Just suppose for a minute... that there is a completely different mechanism that allows LRL detectors to work. And also suppose that Damasio does not know what this principle is.. (only suppose)..


If we were to suppose Damasio was wrong in his assessment of how his machines work, then could it be possible that the short-circuited battery was actually sending out radio waves that can be picked up by the circuitry in his machine? Hmmm? Can you rule that out?


Now we all know our beloved Demasio would NEVER intentionally mislead us. But just suppose he made an error when trying to determine the mechanism how his machines work... What would this mean?


Would it mean that Qiaozhi is right? Would it mean the battery syndrome is merely radio noise? Would it mean there are no ions causing the mineoro machines to beep?

[mosha]

I have mineoro unit, I checked it with an Ion detector, it emmits negative ions not positive as posted here befor.

I have also personal neck negative air ionizer, I put it infront of the mineoro unit and it detected from about 5 meter.

hope this information help you.