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Estaban, the person on the left in your 1981 Texas photo is Vic Scevers, another Treasaure hunter friend. I had the opportunity to use the Radio Frequency LRL in the field. When a radio station began broadcasting through the speaker I quickly realized the method that was being employed. Your RF application is still occasionally workable during optimum conditions. Dell
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05-20-2006, 10:53 PM
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No, I was referring to the other photo taken behind the automobile. Dell
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05-20-2006, 11:00 PM
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Again pics!???
 "yes I need learn more because, as you said, I watch in the mirror and only see a donkey!" It was just retorics. I do not consider anybody here as a donkey, esspecially not you Esteban! And i don't want to wake up one morning and see a donkey in a mirror.That was on my mind. "As I see, there are persons that "Robert" who know all of alls. He don't need infos, nothing. He automatically dissapoint and ready!" I would be very happy if do know "all of alls", like you claimed, but, of course there is no such man yet,on this world. I do need infos, but much infos here are very obsolete and exceeded. Some of present infos are barefaced lies, made by very ignorant persons, in manner to fulfill some sick interest, nothing else.That kind of infos i do not need. I never saw any schematic with tecnical notes here,that's bugs me most.If you look other forums you'll see a much schematics with very competent notes,hints and tips from very conversant people.I always check those in my lab, and it is very easy to establish some attitude on that project and person who posted it.Here i see only "mega" claims and a lot of retorics. If you are so sure in LRL stuff, why don't any of you post here any project, for others to try,check and see? For example, Lostfox posted electronic dowsing rod project, with 567 i.c. so everybody could make it and simply test it. Of course, later turns to be a nonsence toy, but still Lostfox is worth of my respect, he made some effort, he didn't post stupid claims and empty retorics. Can't you see Esteban, what is my point? All of you people here are just talking,talking,claiming....How can anybody check all those? One more thing...You posted here some link on modification on Kamil Craus project with 565 ic.I made that toy 10 years ago. It is a sort of BFO.Totally unusable.You don't expect me to consider you as a serious man with posts like this!? If you are still dealing with toys than what to say more!? Hung almost compare it...: "I really doubt this goes deeper than my Minelab Excalibur....." Ha,ha,ha !!! Hung,man,are you a jokin!? Your Minelab Excalibur is a hell of a detector.Do not compare it with toys please! I do consider MInelab detectors the very best of! The state of art in detectors world! My best experiences are with Minelab detectors. So,Esteban,Hung...man...reading some posts here, sometimes i am very confused about how to evaluate your knowledge and how serioslly to judge your posts and you as a persons? "Robert: wich is your experiences in long distance detectors? You, as engineer in telecommunications, had builded a device based on radio? If not, what you are waiting? Do you know that radio is good for to find good conductive metals? Maybe not, because in the university don't teach you and others about how to find treasure with radio. And why the professors don't teach about it? Simple: they don't experiment in this way! Better: don't know!" Very rich, trust me. That's why i made such claims. Over the 15 years i do build a various devices based on radio. I work as a professional for over 15 years. I made up to 300 radio tx's, trancievers, handy's, amp's etc.etc. I am also radio amateur.Work on 80m,11m,2m,70cm... I do have full lab with devices.What to say? Radio is NOT GOOD for finding any metals! Radio frequencies from 150 kHz up to 2GHz(i been worked with) are NOT PENETRATING IN any type of ground or through! Nobody here can convince me in a such stupid nonsence ever! You are confusing so much terms and principles here.It is very hard for me to talk with you cose you don't know what are you talking about!I do mean this from the deep of my heart I do not want to insult you at all.This is not my intention at all.Not to undervalue you or your intelect too.Just to tell you that you are confusing everything.Schools and university's are not just for fun. You have to learn many more things to became conversant to talk about some things. You are undervalued all that by your last calim.Try to post some like this to some science forum or to some university, MIT for example.You'll get no answer or a big laugh from them. "I, via my ignorance -but experimenting- achieve more than others" O.K. i am ready to accept this if you post here some tech, not just retorics.Show here your experiments, your projects, schematics, datas and i test it and later post you my oppinion. Even i am ready to help you to solve some problems or to improve your work.Just look some other thread here... "The persistence in some ideas and work in it, this is the unique way of the knowledge!" If do without elementar knowledge almost always ends with head trough wall! "As maybe I don't know much about your profession -and as I don't know much, only a few- I don't attack you in your work" Thank you very much for that.It would lead us to nowhere too. I do not attack your work too. I attack just empty claims without any tech background. "Please, don't attack us (Detectoman, Dell, Hung, Michael, I and others)shooting in any direction, but with poor results in your objective." I started attacking mineoro not you people! But some of you became strong mineoro defenders that's why faced with me and me with you. You found yourself "called" with no reason at all. Later it turned into dirty argue and "war". I didn't want that at the begining. To go with this further does not make any sence to me.But if you apply here some schematics and projects on LRL than we can talk some constructive talk more. You are claiming something about radio and RF. For a start come and post some about it. Or shut up forever. P.S. another look on device which cost several hundreds of $ !!! Come again and claim some claims here! This device worth nothing and do nothing.So how can i respect any more of claims here? WHo i am dealing with here!? P.S. II AGAIN !??? agin anoying nonsence pictures that shows nothing!? Is that all you can post here!?
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05-21-2006, 01:23 AM
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Stop anoying please !
 There been so much efforts so far to establish right principle and method to prospectsome results with frequencies bellow 150 kHz. With more or less success some features showed up so far.But still is to early to establish some rules.But it is quite wrong to consider radio ways as "pentrating subject" in that matter. 50Hz soil noise with all harmonics with, falses received results in huge percentage. Some "popular" devices showed on market almost to fast, while suffering from mentioned phenomena to much. EMFAD UG12 is my "beloved" example for that.Me and RObert were experimenting on that field for over the 10 years. Some results were gained but not enough to come out on "day light" with.It is not serious at all to aproach on that matter like some people here done it.I abandoned this kind of threads and retorics long time ago.But this time i just want to back up major RObert claims about radio ways.It is absolute nonsence what some people claimed here! Just to help you more, try to find some more informations on .net by ULF,VLF terms.Read very carefully all,try to undestand some.Than come back again here and chat about it. "Although in internet many materials can be found about earth dipoles used as antennas, to understand how they works can be very complicated. With what principle does it work? What is the frequency range where it can be used with good profit? What about reception diagram? What's the signal component received with an earth dipole: electric field or magnetic filed? With what polarization? And still: why some signals present on air (as Schumann resonaces) can't be received with earth probes? And why some signals received with earth dipole are not receivable on air? " Renato Romero Just an example.Many more included on the .net.... But beleiving in a conventional method of tx-ing some signal in the ground and a minute later to receive "echoed" fragments of signal back is just very naive.No such thing! Also no such power on TX. Present devices based on "semi LRL" with f.generator included as a TX are more than unusable. The signal generated from some oscill. or f.generator is weak,no matter how strong NF amp. you may use.It does not penetrate into ground at all.It can make some "vibes" around with enormous power consumption and sort of a field if dealing with AC.Otherwise if dealing with DC you'll go nowhere. It is guise to mistaken and confusing EMF with RF also unattended,lack of elementar knowledge of composition of a signal as it could be generated with various types of generators.Here people deal with terms and pieces of knowledge they just by ocassion collect somewhere, so "easy" like it is a game.By acting like this no results will occure, "fog walking" is all to gain. I would not interfear in this discussion but something must say. All "results" mentioned above dedicated to sources we can not check and prove any more. .................................................. .................................... "We got acquaint with a man could find only gold with his homemade MFD and 2 L rods. He was incredibly able to find gold in double blind testes everywhere in every condition in every test condition .What a pity soon missed him in a driving accident." .................................................. ..................................... "I'm not the constructor. The person who built it MAYBE design one for my personal use. He dissambled all the models to prevent copy. But during the "Gold Age" (for us) we found many items. I assure you: we collect items like rice! Only precious things and coins." .................................................. ..................................... So pay attention on those: "...soon missed him in a driving accident..." "...He dissambled all the models to prevent copy..." I am to lazy to search threads for more like those two statements, but i remembered many simillar "proofs" here and on some LRL forums too! If you,people are establishing all your claims on that kind of a "proofs" than you are not serious at all!Besides those "proofs" we have some more: we have Mineoro which is not working at all,we have "omnitron" (several types) which are not working at all, we have various types of rods, which are not working at all.....at the end we do not have any proof at all!!! So at the end what are we talking here about!? We all do share good wishes and dreams about such apparatus with which we can find item on long distance and at great depth... I can absolutelly agree with you on that! I do have same dreams like you! But rude reallity gives me no such device so far! Suspecting in Robert's and mine claims here will give you no satisfaction at all.Arguing and spitting with Robert too. Posting pictures of some people,hanging each other,or pictures of some items will prove nothing too! Just a remark: no use from those pictures at all, just a harm! Opening these pages sometimes become anoying and very timing, esspecially when internet connections are poor, like here at my place. At least posting some usable .jpg with tech contents will compensate spended time and money here. Forum administrator should take care of this problem in further.This forum is very public, for all of us to share.By anoying with unusable contents which spread all over the whole page we all gain nothing here! I guess Carl is administrator here. So Carl,please give here extra instructions about further posts, if you please.You should limit some post here, unless they do not comprehend schematics and tech. Thank you very much in advance!
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05-21-2006, 02:43 AM
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I never saw any schematic with tecnical notes here,that's bugs me most.If you look other forums you'll see a much schematics with very competent notes,hints and tips from very conversant
Do you check the Geotech Front Page? There are many schematics with very competent notes. So, only I can think that the effort of Carl Moreland was zero. Of course, you can't find here schematic of Minelab, for example. If you have this kind of modern schematic that you pretend, do you can post me in private? Also I will say you thanks! if you send me "obsolete" schematics, because there are many things that the persons forgot and re-invent time to time! You can't measure the quantities of "obsolete" info I post here, include a incorrect copy of the PI Barracude, redrawing by Chris. If you don't know, this is the second epoch of the forum, this re-start in first months of 2005, but If I remember well, the first start in 1998 or 1999, don't remember, but sure I participate since 2000. Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0891#post40891 More obsolete: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0113#post40113 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9888#post39888 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11197 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11129 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9407#post39407 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9403#post39403 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11022 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...8440#post38440 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...8373#post38373 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10751 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10747 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10673 How Tesla Serbian inventor help to find gold: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=10570 Also investigate starting of MD. This can found at 25 m and is obsolete: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11096 Also post non-obsolete stuffs: http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/Apr02/NPO20684.html http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0789#post40789 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6914552.html http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9076#post39076 More: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0605#post40605 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...0241#post40241 Tiopepe and Victor send me part by part and later I resized and compilated later and posted in mytemdir.com: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11247 Large Sarge thank me (also, thank you, Large Sarge): Way to go Esteban, You da man! __________________ Dennis USAF Ret. "A liberal is man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel." -- Robert Frost More: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...9987#post39987 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...d.php4?t=11112 http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...2996#post42996 Also have posted many but many sites regarding MD in Russian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, English and another language I don't understand and very more "stupid" stuffs. Of course, your shield is: "This is obsolete", "Also this other", "This is stupid". Obsolote or no obsolete... the question is to post any stupid or not and obsolete or not device. Your friend Ivconic post an interesting schematic (is his effort, thanks). * * * * * * * * * For example, Lostfox posted electronic dowsing rod project, with 567 i.c. so everybody could make it and simply test it. Of course, later turns to be a nonsence toy, but still Lostfox is worth of my respect, he made some effort, he didn't post stupid claims and empty retorics. Can't you see Esteban, what is my point? All of you people here are just talking,talking,claiming....How can anybody check all those? One more thing...You posted here some link on modification on Kamil Craus project with 565 ic.I made that toy 10 years ago. It is a sort of BFO.Totally unusable.You don't expect me to consider you as a serious man with posts like this!? If you are still dealing with toys than what to say more!? Don't understand!!!: First, you applaud the "non sense toy" posted, with "some effort", by Lostfox. Later the modification of Kamil Krauss, "obsolete", OK, any effort mean for you. Maybe 650 khz we used can't penetrates the ground, but the phenomenom associated with long time buried metals is present on the surface. Justly I need 200 to 500 kHz for to sense variation of few hertz in the sender coil, OK? agin anoying nonsence pictures that shows nothing!? Is that all you can post here!? Yes, I post the device with the items "in loco" or "in vivo". Also I post all the links showed in this reply.
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05-21-2006, 06:06 AM
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05-21-2006, 03:59 PM
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So far, I applaud the overall conduct of this forum. There have been occasional posts that have skirted the boundaries of ettiquette, but so far nothing that has provoked me to intervene. It is my opinion that LRLs based on dowsing rods are nothing but exercises in self-deception. They simply do not work. When these types of LRLs are submitted to randomized blind tests, they perform no better than guessing, even in the hands of "experienced" users. Every time. Some of the Mineoro locators, and other similar devices that have begun popping up, do not use dowsing in any way. The operational claims of these devices are not in line with known physics in several ways. I have asked repeatedly for experimental procedures that will validate the claims of these devices, but so far this has not happened. I have personally tested and dissected a PDC205... it did not work, and based on what I found inside the device, it could not possibly work according to the operational claims. I have sent several emails to Mineoro in an effort to discuss my $25,000 challenge, but they will not reply. It appears that the technical discussion has run its course. Without experiments that could demonstrate the claims of Mineoro, and without scientific tests that show the devices work, there is little else to do but argue the philosophical side. In my opinion, that is a waste of time. Hung has mentioned that Damasio will visit the US for a demonstration of the FG78. I would like very much to be at that demonstration, and I will definitely offer my $25,000 to Damasio for a randomized blind test. Then we will see for certain whether it works. - Carl
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05-22-2006, 12:09 AM
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Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.......
 Esteban now you are posting nonsences and lies here !!! I want you to show me, where exactlly you posted some technical about some LRL here on this forum ever !? List you listed here are your posts on some toys (YES! TOYS,OBSOLETE,UNUSABLE). What!? You made some minor suggests on simpliest 2Box project i ever seen so far. Absolute toy! Why don't you post some improvements on TM808!? Ha! Do you need me here to name to you all your unusable posts here, item by item on your list!? Nothing! Severeal post,posted just to fullfil your apetite to be known and to be present, nothing else! You also posted a few links to somebody's else sites and somebody's else knowledge - not yours! Where is at least ONE your post about LRL or mineoro-look-like device here or anywhere else!? With schematic,hints,tips,datas.....Ha! Where is it! You collected during last years a bunch of kid's project from some kid's newspaper and posted here like "serious" remarks or something....! Ha,ha,ha !!! I am asking YOU and OTHERS here on this funny thread, to POST HERE AT LEAST ONE..... AND I REPEAT A T L E A S T O N E schematic(i mean serious not scrap toy) on LRL subject or any simillar type of apparatus!Full project, with tech background,opinions, step by step constructing etc.etc. If you don't know how(which i am sure) than look on other threads to see how other people done here.... Instead of posting some pictures where man hanging each other,holding some very funny devices in hands and showing some suspectable items, like proving something.What!? And always you use the same matrix:"....my cousin did that, my cousin did this..... my cousin stand with this....blah,blah,blah...." I don't give a s.... about your cousin and his life. I am looking for content which suitable to name of this thread. This thread is not named "Esteban's cousin....", this thread is named "MInero" !!!! It supposed to include technical retorics,projects and schematics of mineoro and mineoro-look-like devices overall....like any other normal thread here! Instead of that you and so much like you people are anoying everybody else here by promoting some nonsences backuped with a pile of funny,stupid pictures. What!? You don't like my language!? Of course you don't!? I did'nt like your at your last post. Instead to answer me in proper manner you posted here more anoying. Also,just to let you know.I do not need your list of posts. I do keep whole forum with overall content here, on my hard disk, and keep it updated every day! At every moment i am fully awared of anything what's going on here! I do have whole forum here in front of my eyes all the time whether on line or off line.I am fully awared of all posts and schematics here at any moment, so i do know very well about you are talking even before you start it. Dell, thank you very much for reminding me! Only thanks to Carl,one and only, we do have here full overview on most of LRL scrap products,including some of yours too! Esteban again: "Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations:..." Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! So you invented 555 ic !!!???? Ha,ha,ha !!!! Just go on the .net and ask for 555 manufacturer application with much examples of how to use it.......i didn't saw your name on it!? Variations of yours, are so simple and funny....what to say!?Is that all you can do!? Ha,ha,ha !!! Enough now. These were my poisoned arrows on you! Sorry! I go to far!I felt a bit pissed from your last post.I am not gonna do it again for sure!Regards to you good Esteban! P.S. Still i am waiting some schematics here......
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05-22-2006, 01:28 AM
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I just got home from the weekend, turn computer on, go to the forum and I see this 'battle' happening one more time... I really expected we all to help each other. I am sure a lot of people here discuss politely, but why there are some people who insist in bashing each other's beliefs? LRLs...
There are some who not satisified in dasagreeing about it regarding as reliable, bash who believe! We are not here for this. As Esteban said, we are here excahnge ideas and concepts with each other... Quote:
Carl it's not because you don't know the concept behind it, you might say it's not in line with knwon physics. Think... if the inventor reveals the concept, then everybody would clone one. Your satisfatory explanation may never come... Quote:
The PDC 210 was used to find a jesuit site. My partner in my team who had one long before me has found innumerous items. Do you think I will lose my time worried about scientific tests to prove wheter it works or not? OK. I am not hung.. How can I prove I'm hung? Quote:
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05-22-2006, 11:39 AM
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I am here, don't worry!
 Hung, first a big HI to you! (i hope this polite enough) "...and I see this 'battle' happening one more time... " What's wrong with the 'battle' ? Nothing.Pure democracy. "why there are some people who insist in bashing each other's beliefs?" No,not beliefs at all! Just presented claims only! I am not that free to bash your beliefs at all. I just can not stand claims here. "There are some who not satisified in dasagreeing about it regarding as reliable, bash who believe!" Well, if we agree on everything than must be something wrong with us! Why "foruming"? You are free to beleive what ever you want.Nobody could stop you that.But beware of claiming some of your beleives here. "As Esteban said, we are here excahnge ideas and concepts with each other..." Empty retorics on LRL and mineoro principles does'nt help here at all! Exchanging non-interesting pictures here too! By the way where are your ideas and concepts here!? Did i missed something!? "Think... if the inventor reveals the concept, then everybody would clone one. Your satisfatory explanation may never come..." I don't think so! Why then everybody can not clone devices like G-858, or Garrett GTI 2500 or Pulsestar II or simillar devices!? Is that hard for mineoro manufacturers to go to U S P T O and protect their patents from cloning!? Even if cloned, original alwasys stays ORIGINAL! If it is working good and true than i'll always choose original instead of clone. "..Exactly. Do you think it's important to me arguing about those things? No!!" Than what is purpose of you being here!? What are you doing here!? Who's pushing you to come here!? Just to put some nonsence claim here and go without further explanations!? Who gave you right on that!? Is'nt that real bashing!? Is'nt that a real anoyance!? "..My partner in my team who had one long before me has found innumerous items..." AGAIN!? "..my friend..", "..my cousin..", " ..my partner..","...man who died..." etc.etc. Real nice proofs! Come again with something like:"..my dead grandma..." "..OK. I am not hung.. How can I prove I'm hung?.." Who's pushing you to prove yor name!? It has nothing to do with this thread. Besides "HUNG" is just fine, like "Esteban","Robert" or something else....Ideas are important not names! "...I do wish Damasio can make it. He's about 70 and suffers from diabethes. He told me in the pas he was willing to do it. I really hope he's up to this as he know the importance of the US in this field." I wish to him a good health and more years.No body normal attack that here.Besides as i heared "Aloya Vera Gel" is very good,terapeutic for diabethes."Aloya" manufacturers and their plants are spread all over North and also South America. Easy to provide there. Nobody wants from him to risk his health and come on "heavy" trip to prove anything! But everybody wants proofs backuped with science here on this pages! "....and where carl 's $25,000 to go?..." It is not a question about only $25,000 ! It is a question about some millions here! If concept is right and backuped than no worrys.If not than millions could be stealed from naives worldvide! Hung and others, if you do not put any "material" proofs here, backuped with reallity than simply do not show here and for real "bash", with nonsences, others! Your beleifs are not in question here. Keep it for yourself, for good. Claims are in question here. Either explain and backup, or either stop anoying! This type of posts will continue so far as nonsences continue.It is quite time to stop spreading false stuff here! Me and my accessarys will be here around the clock and on every nonsence claim here we gonna answer in a proper manner.Until you beleivers change your "style" here or disapear from this pages.It is final! And if administrator decide to excomunicate name "RObert",(which is his full right), from here, than some other name will show here and continue further! It is time to clean this excell forum(best so far)from trash,rubbish and scrap for GOOD! Besides this is not an LRL forum at all!You have a bunch of LRL forums on the .net, go there! Come here only with serious and true story! THIS IS TECH FORUM! Not "mumbble-jumbble" forum. Only in the name of democracy this forum consist some LRL pages,threads....But those pages supposed to show real situation on that field.Not to advertise that kind of products also not to spread lies about it.Not to collect customers for that kind of products either. regards
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05-22-2006, 03:46 PM
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The only "technical input" you have posting is your photo with Strujas and Ivconic. "Tender taken care the baby in the hammock".
Pure democracy! Wait from your part obsolete info, for me is OK, but as I see you want to obtain infos for nothing. This I think: In the future you'll use this site for to evacuate your poisons! This is the proof you only want the info also you can't post: P.S. Still i am waiting some schematics here......
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05-22-2006, 04:26 PM
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To Ivconic and Robert. If you don't want to see the photos, don't open the thread. Only if Carl want, I'll stop it.
If you don't read with attention: Carl wrote: BTW, I like the pics you've posted. Interesting. - Carl http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...6&page=9&pp=25
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It appears that Robert has proclaimed himself dictator of Geotech forums. Hypocricisy is worn like a badge of honor among the Skeptic Cult.
I have no problem with the way Carl, wishes to run his forums or who he wishes to have participate. It's none of my business. I wish good fortune to all. Dell
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05-22-2006, 10:09 PM
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First, all the poison you can vomit, I'm immune to all! Snakes don't scare me! Esteban now you are posting nonsences and lies here !!! I want you to show me, where exactlly you posted some technical about some LRL here on this forum ever !? And you? Or you have posted under other name, no as "Robert"? My real name is Esteban, but yours isn't Robert (you said). About lies... * * * * * * * * * List you listed here are your posts on some toys (YES! TOYS,OBSOLETE,UNUSABLE). Post your toys, and maybe I'll play with these. When I post the article in Brazilian magazine regarding "obsolete" (your word) PLL metal detector, also I think in the words of Carl in the "Reference" section of MD about non-English publications. * * * * * * * * * What!? You made some minor suggests on simpliest 2Box project i ever seen so far. The modification of this detector wit addition of one more stage and powerfull transmitter I have done. Sure no audio needed, only the microamp. And I was surprised how sensitive can be... with the correct adjust in the coils, no added or quit cap, yes added or quit turns (valid for all types of MD). Do you know this? Sometimes, obsolete germanium (as transmitter) transistor is better (in power, no in another aspects) in two boxes designs. Do you try to put an empty plug in the earphone connection for to eliminate the audio and only use the uamp in two boxes because the audio (speaker) in some two boxes models produces a type of microphonic or feedback effect? I dissambled the 808 (in 1986 or 87 - question: is an obsolete two boxes?) the part of the metal pipe for to repair. Do you have drawing the both values? I have. No in the fact to demonstrate you if you have or not drawing of the both values, yes that I work in it, dedication we said... Do you know that the best two boxes I use -and I have the handrawing schematic- is by Electrónica Aplicada of Argentine? Fet transmitter, simple instalation plastic cable coils, all in metal pipe. Receiver: fets, only two 741, separate stages by AM FI transformers? Have 5 k potentiometer correction phase in the coil, so the mechanical adjust is only a few, very few, a delicate touch in the screw? Also have handrawing by myself of MDs, with much effort! Maybe obsolete, but yes a work, a effort, no retorics. * * * * * * * * * You also posted a few links to somebody's else sites and somebody's else knowledge - not yours! If I sent links, if for to help in some aspects or clariffy. Please, send us your infos or links here. Make a effort. I understand maybe you have limitation or internet is expensive in some locations (Ivconic explain it). Send here useful info, links, etc., and I'll say thank you! * * * * * * * * * Where is at least ONE your post about LRL or mineoro-look-like device here or anywhere else!? With schematic,hints,tips,datas.....Ha! Where is it! And you? You are in the same place. If I have Mineoro's schematics, is my problem. I'll don't post here only for to demonstrate you G R A T I S! * * * * * * * * * You collected during last years a bunch of kid's project from some kid's newspaper and posted here like "serious" remarks or something....! Ha,ha,ha !!! Yes, is true and is good. Why not? Of all types. What kind of schematic do you have? What I have you don't? Do you have a list? * * * * * * * * * I am asking YOU and OTHERS here on this funny thread, to POST HERE AT LEAST ONE..... AND I REPEAT A T L E A S T O N E schematic(i mean serious not scrap toy) on LRL subject or any simillar type of apparatus!Full project, with tech background,opinions, step by step constructing etc.etc. What? How many dinars for me from your part, your industry? * * * * * * * * * If you don't know how(which i am sure) than look on other threads to see how other people done here.... Yes, send us the link of other forum in wich you "conversant" about LRL based in electronics -and his schematics was posted. Yes, I know some things, no in the level of your engineering, maybe. And know many types, but not for you! If you have of more high level, let us know. Maybe infrared, RF or ultrasonic are obsoletes! * * * * * * * * * Instead of posting some pictures where man hanging each other,holding some very funny devices in hands and showing some suspectable items, like proving something.What!? In the same direction, post here your (of another people) experiences, include the items unearthed. I can't provide another proof. With your same criteria, the photo you was posted is unreal. At this point, I can't see the item you has unearthed. With the same criteria, NASA's photos showing the USA's men on the Moon are falses. No discussion here if who are more feasible, the fact is: are the photos unreals? Shows or not the truth? Translation: If I'm not in the place, is unreal. * * * * * * * * * And always you use the same matrix:"....my cousin did that, my cousin did this..... my cousin stand with this....blah,blah,blah...." I don't give a s.... about your cousin and his life. I am looking for content which suitable to name of this thread. This thread is not named "Esteban's cousin....", this thread is named "MInero" !!!! The base of actual Mineoro are the devices has been posted by me, with much effort and money for to collect, first, and scan. If I show the pics in wich appear my cousin, is because He start in it in the trips years before me. * * * * * * * * * It supposed to include technical retorics,projects and schematics of mineoro and mineoro-look-like devices overall....like any other normal thread here! Instead of that you and so much like you people are anoying everybody else here by promoting some nonsences backuped with a pile of funny,stupid pictures. What!? You don't like my language!? Of course you don't!? I did'nt like your at your last post. Instead to answer me in proper manner you posted here more anoying. Yes, you can start providing us the projects and schematics... Every time I clariffy not in defense of Mineoro (understand?), yes in the fact that electronic LRL is reality since many years. Also I explain that two models I try at fully detects well. If you read with attention, also I explain that is some difficult to center (pinpoint) the exact point, and charged clouds produces inestability in these models. As you can see, also the Mineoro's problems was posted by me. Since the launch of these models I told Mr. Damásio that also detects copper and bronze items, not only gold (can detect from the diesel vehicle in movement, no problem). So, the fact that detect copper and bronze items was actualized in the Mineoro's brochure. The truth is the truth. Can't emit opinion about another models. I have the new 2006, but I don't try at full, for the moment is very stable. Forgot: also told Alonso that the first microcontroller version wasn't good. I was the first critic -maybe in private- of Mineoro and the inventors can confirm all it. Yes, I like your language, because this strong me. Please, send me more of your instructive poisoned language. What I can ask you in proper manner? How to detect gold via infrared rays, for example? * * * * * * * * * Also,just to let you know.I do not need your list of posts. I do keep whole forum with overall content here, on my hard disk, and keep it updated every day! At every moment i am fully awared of anything what's going on here! I do have whole forum here in front of my eyes all the time whether on line or off line.I am fully awared of all posts and schematics here at any moment, so i do know very well about you are talking even before you start it. As I see: this forum don't cover your expectations in any aspect! Many persons don't understand very well about your attacks here. So, I'm ready for to deffend Dell, Hung, Michael, Detectoman, Carl... and all another persons are "bad" and "liers" for you. With democracy. * * * * * * * * * Dell, thank you very much for reminding me! Only thanks to Carl,one and only, we do have here full overview on most of LRL scrap products,including some of yours too! Reminding? Suspect you never open all the pages created by Carl with much effort of his part. Thanks Carl! * * * * * * * * * Esteban again: "Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations:..." Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! So you invented 555 ic !!!???? Ha,ha,ha !!!! Just go on the .net and ask for 555 manufacturer application with much examples of how to use it.......i didn't saw your name on it!? Variations of yours, are so simple and funny....what to say!?Is that all you can do!? Ha,ha,ha !!! Yes Esteban again: I refer about the comparator application, only found a reference in a book about 555 (very complete, in Portuguese version of 1976), no adjustable point. Don't found in datasheet of National, for example. I said variations because any sensor can used, include receiver coil as MD. No more. As you see, I was use the word "maybe"... I can do more, but what input I can expect from you? Poison, vomit? Waiting for it! * * * * * * * * * Enough now. These were my poisoned arrows on you! Sorry! I go to far!I felt a bit pissed from your last post.I am not gonna do it again for sure!Regards to you good Esteban! As I said in the starting of this message, don't scare me. Regards to you good, Robert! * * * * * * * * * P.S. Still i am waiting some schematics here...... Read the reply in another part of this thread. But if you are a good boy, maybe somebody -can be I, who knows?- post one.
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What version you got? The one with the centralizer knob in the front close to the ionic chamber (first version) or the one with the knob actually set in the row of knobs in the back? (second version)
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05-22-2006, 11:15 PM
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Hung, no, in more high percentage than 5%, mainly in very dry and salty terrain. No problem it, since a colonel found with it a bronze minibox containing gold and jewels. There are in a room. The bed is over the small treasure and the person sleep all the time over it! If you "abuse" in the sensibility of the controls, hope this percentage is more high than 20%.
The second version. In other model saw the zero adjustment knob in the front, near the ionic chamber, but I prefer the model with less controls.
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05-22-2006, 11:30 PM
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05-23-2006, 01:51 AM
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Esteban's story like scraped record....always the same !!!
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05-23-2006, 01:53 AM
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Thank you!
Continue to post pictures here please.... I am gonna collect a nice collection of dorks!!!
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05-23-2006, 08:33 AM
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God bless you; Esteban & Hung!
Hi Esteban and hung. Please continue puttting more experiences and recently founds that only you are cognizant of. Sure they will be appreciated.
Esteban! I am sure your every honesty & sincere effort is being and will be appreciated by every one is busy or involved in treasure hunting. it's logical you not to put your latest science here and again see ingratitude habits as I were you did so. Continue your way strongly as sovereign. indeed science is son of experience. Science went from experience to universities & colleges. Persons like as you, Damassio & Alonso and etc make sciences. lest you become despondent or unwilling. Hung! nice man! as I believe in you, we are willingly and impatiently waiting for your new reports of FG78. If approve, we will order it. Don't deprive us and this forum from your bliss because here name is"Remote Sensing" It's the time for new generation instrument and getting rid of boring tardy CMDs, GPRs with your help. so many people like as Dell, Esteban, Hung as well I, have experienced remote sensing results and know one thing; It's a true concept and works, now others what desire to tell, write inimical not deserve to be discussed. "You can awake a real asleep, but never can do it for one sham to sleep"
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05-23-2006, 11:58 AM
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Well.... "..It appears that Robert has proclaimed himself dictator of Geotech forums..." Well,it is very bad, if you are thinking so. To prove you the oposite, i'll do something which you'll never expect from me. I'll stop for a while (my team too) and not to "bash" you for a some time. I'll give this thread a chance to sooner or later became productive. I am gonna update posts from here, every day, and wait someone of you to post something usefull. If Esteban continue with pics, than i can do nothing against it, who's gonna stop him!? Nobody! It will count on his bad credit anyway! To continue with arguing with a few of you, so far did'nt help, neither to me,neither to you,neither to this thread.Everybody here stuck to self belives for good. By not showing any will to post here more practical stuff, you just convinced me more that this subject is false! Esteban do not want to show here any of "real" stuff he has (I don't beleive that he has at least one good schematic on lrl subject), like he said, not for gratis....than what to expect further!? Nobody asking you Esteban to post here schematic of mineoro latest model, or some device which is still very comercial! I wanted you to post some project on some device we can assemble and test, which is not a simple toy but some more complicated then usually posted here....But if you think that it is not good idea, than alright.I can not make you to do that. I do not have neither one schematic or project on that subject(lrl and simillar) to post here.I do have a 450 CD's with various schematics.If you need something from electronics just name it.If file is not to big for uploading I'll send it for you and any other.No big deal for me.My "poison" is send to you to provoke you to start thinking productive.It appeared very wrong so far, so i'll stop for a while.If i think that you are idiot, i would'nt post you even a one word! Of course i do think that you have something to say! But so far you said very few things! I still beleive that previous posts of yours, does'nt contributed much here, on mineoro subject.Only pictures and claims....But it is showing only that you and your friends are not ready to give more....or maybe you don't have more to give..Only you know that. About others here....well,ocassionally people come here and do not contribute at all.Just backuping one or the other side by retorics, nothing else. If you compare this thread with other threads from this forum, you'll find that it is worst of all. Neither one schematic, neither one technical,neither one project, except ivconic ion detector which has moved to another thread.... So let's calm down ant think. I do not see a bright future here if continue like this. What do you think? regards
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05-23-2006, 09:24 PM
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time to stop acting...
"I actually have Damasio's personal email, but it would be a waste of time expecting
him to answer because the last time he did answer me it took 4 months! He's a very busy man and noticibly don't use emails regularly." Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! Damasio is absolute illiterate, so what are you talking here man !? Who are you jokin' here!? "...He's a very busy man....", yes, by sitting under the tree !!! "...don't use emails regularly...", he even does not know what it is!? Not only that you( a very few of you ) polluted this fine forum with "minero" thread, but also you want to breed more here. You are opening more threads with no control at all! Promulgate lies and nonsences everywhere! You are acting like all of you never met(esteban, hung,michael, mineorogreece...), but .................................................. ................... the real truth is that you are "well" organized team with only one mission: to advertise nonsence mineoro frauds products as much as possibly with no scrupule at all. By making-up nonsence stories, reporting here FALSE reports, and acting like something is really going on..." .................................................. ..................................... It was not hardly at all for me and my team to find and check all about all of you! We do know who are you, where are you,what are you doing and who is paying you! Beware! One day you gonna conform for all your lies and frauds here and on the other places! .................................................. ................................... ALL MINEORO PRODUCTS ARE FRAUDS,NON-WORKING TOYS! DON'T BUY IT!DON'T WASTE MONEY! "regards" RObert S.S.O.
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