OBMD-1

[WM6]

In babelfish language: not worth strong emotions:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

[Geo]

Hi.

Greek forum changes the category of the thread with the photo of the pcb of Cyclon. Now don't needing to login so to have the ability to see it.
Here is the new URL.

Regards.

http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showp...3&postcount=15

ps... thanks the administrator of psaxtiria.net, Mr Goldmaniac

[Geo]

I wait for an answer from Qiaozhi or Carl. May i to post here a reverse engineering schematic from the pcb, who posted by Andreas as "pcb of Crypton OBMD-1"???


Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,

Carl does not permit posting commercial schematics from manufacturers unless they give permission.
See what Carl says about schematic rules here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...schematics.dat
"If a manufacturer contacts me with a legitimate complaint about a schematic posted here (such as a redrawn manufacturer's schematic), then I will pull it".

The manufacturer has already posted in Carl's forum that he does not want his schematics posted.
Maybe good to check with Carl to make sure about the details.
I think it depends on where the schematic came from.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I think that we say a device as commercial if it has a patent number. Do you agree???
I did not saw any patent number so i believe that it is free for everyone to post schematics or photos.
Do you remember the schematic of Alonso's PD? It was a Heathkit patent.
Here MAYBE to be a patent of a English magazine. I say MAYBE, not sure...

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
I think that we say a device as commercial if it has a patent number. Do you agree???
I did not saw any patent number so i believe that it is free for everyone to post schematics or photos.
Do you remember the schematic of Alonso's PD? It was a Heathkit patent.
Here MAYBE to be a patent of a English magazine. I say MAYBE, not sure...

Regards

Hi Geo,
When a circuit is patented, then it is made public for anyone to see or to make copies of the circuit drawings from the patent.
The patent is protection only to stop people from using the circuit for commercial profit.
The patent does not stop people from seeing the details of an invention, or from publishing the diagrams they see in the patent.
It makes the details and diagrams public for everyone to see.
But the patent also gives protection to the owner to stop other people from using the patented designs for making a commercial profit.
Other people must negotiate a payment to the owner before they may use his patented designs for commercial profits.

When a copyright is claimed, this is not the same as a patent.
The copyright is a protection to stop people from making copies of an image or literature, or music which they created.
The person who owns the copyright can take legal measures to stop other people from publishing or distributing their copyrighted materials.
An owner of a copyright can allow the public to see their images or literature or music only in the places where they put them for the public to see.
The owner of a copyright can also take legal measures to stop anyone from making commercial profits from using their original copyrighted materials.

Many times the owner of a copyright will grant conditional rights to publish their copyrighted materials.
We see where the owner of a copyright will often make an announcement that their copyrighted image or literature may be published only if the name of the owner of the copyright is included, and a link is provided to the original place where they see it posted.
Sometimes the copyright owner says anyone may publish copies only for private study, but they may not use the copyrighted material for commercial profit.
But if you do not see this kind of notice from the owner, then you can view their copyrighted materials only in the places where the copyright owner published them for the public to see.

So you see the difference between the circuit protection that is found in a patent and in a copyright.
A patent only protects the patent owner from other people using the owner's circuit for commercial profit.
But a copyright protects the copyright owner from other people publishing copies of their original drawings and other images.
Unless the owner of a copyright says you can publish their images or other literature, then you may only view it in the place where they publish the copyrighted material.

In the case of images which Andreas publishes, you would need to know if his images are copyrighted or not.
If Andreas or Crypton claims a copyright, then you are permitted to view his images only in the places where they publish them.
You are not permitted to publish Andrea's or Crypton's copyrighted images in another place unless they grant permission to you.
But if Andreas or Crypton does not claim a copyright for an image they created, then it is in the public domain.
If it is in the public domain, then anyone may publish it in another place or use the image to make a commercial profit.

In the Geotech forums, Carl has made it clear that he respects copyrights and patents.
Carl does not permit people to publish copyrighted materials here unless you have permission from the owner of the copyright.
Here is what Carl said: "If the schematic is "original artwork" and the company is still making detectors, then I must have permission from the company to post their artwork."
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...schematics.dat
So you see you must have permission from the company before you are permitted to publish their original artwork in Carl's forums.
(original artwork includes drawings, photographs, and images).

The Crypton company is correct to say that you are free to buy their locator and then to open it to make your own images.
If you make your own images of what you see inside a commercial machine, then you are the owner of the new images which you create.
You then have the option to make your own copyrights of any new images that you create when you look inside.
The Crypton company is also correct to say that you do not know what components are placed on an empty circuit board.
You can only make guesses for what kind of transistors and voltages, and it is not likely you would guess every part correctly.
I agree that Crypton company and Andreas are the only people who know exactly what their complete circuit diagram looks like.
And only they know what components, and voltages and frequencies are used in their circuits.
For this reason I wait to hear from the Crypton company and Andreas for true facts which they decide to make public.


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Geo

I wait for an answer from Qiaozhi or Carl. May i to post here a reverse engineering schematic from the pcb, who posted by Andreas as "pcb of Crypton OBMD-1"???


Regards

There is no limitations to post reverse engineering schematic anywhere on web. As well you can open device, make precise photos of PCB and post it anywhere on web.

"Reverse schematic" is your own IP work and there is no guarantee that it 100% correspond to original circuit one.

The only limitation is in field of its commercial use if something in schematic is patented.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

There is no limitations to post reverse engineering schematic anywhere on web. As well you can open device, make precise photos of PCB and post it anywhere on web.

"Reverse schematic" is your own IP work and there is no guarantee that it 100% correspond to original circuit one.

The only limitation is in field of its commercial use if something in schematic is patented.

Hi WM6,
This is correct.
Everyone agrees including Carl-NC and even Crypton company that we can buy their locator and open to make our own reverse engineering.
Any circuits we photograph or draw from what we see inside the box are the property of the people who make the photographs and draw the schematics.
The people who photograph and draw schematics from reverse engineering are free to post the images they create and study the design.

I think you must first buy an OBMD-1 before you can open it to make photos


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

In the forum rules ->
http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=10526
it states: "Don't post copyrighted material.".

In other words, you are not allowed to scan in a manufacturer's original schematic and make that information available. However, there is nothing to stop you photographing the inside view of a detector and putting the image here. Throughout the forums you may have noticed that this is common practice.

Reverse engineering has long been held a legitimate form of discovery in both legislation and court opinions. In the European Union, reverse engineering is allowed for the purposes of interoperability, but you are not allowed to use that information to create a competing product. Also, the release of this information into the public domain is not allowed in the case of software. In the USA, the act of reverse-engineering a product is often lawful, as long as it is obtained legitimately.

Perhaps Carl would like to comment further ...

[J_Player]

Actually Carl has already made some comments about copyrights on the main page Policies link, where he says:
"Other papers, designs, and articles are copyrighted by their respective publishers and/or authors and are
subject to their restrictions. It is my policy to always give full credit to the original author and publisher of a
paper and to seek permission to post it.

Permission generally includes the understanding that subsequent use of this material is for individual non-profit
purposes only. Therefore, it may not be redistributed in any medium or used for any purposes other than
non-profit individual use, without the express consent of the copyright holder. Permission is granted for other
web sites to provide links to this material on this site. In other words, provide links to material on this site,
but do not post copies of material from this site".
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...ile=policy.dat

Carl makes specific comments about his rules for commercial schematics in the metal detector schematic section:

Commercial Schematics

Rules

This page contains schematics for commercially-produced metal detectors. Before creating this page, I
contacted several detector manufacturers and asked if I could post some of their older schematics, and could
they provide any. Each one effectively replied, That's probably OK, let me check on it, and I never heard back.
The reality is that many commercial schematics are already being passed around, and competing
manufacturers can (and do) easily reverse-engineer each other's detectors. There are no real secrets to protect.

Anyone who wishes to contribute to this area, is welcomed and encouraged to do so. I will post schematics
under the following conditions:

• If the schematic is "original artwork", then that company must no longer be in the business of
manufacturing detectors. Examples are the orignal Bounty Hunter, Heathkit, the original Compass, C&G,
and Detectron.

• If the schematic is "original artwork", then that company must no longer be in the business of
manufacturing detectors. Examples are the orignal Bounty Hunter, Heathkit, the original Compass,
C&G, and Detectron.

• If the schematic is reverse drawn from a circuit board, and not simply copied from original artwork.

If a manufacturer contacts me with a legitimate complaint about a schematic posted here (such as a redrawn
manufacturer's schematic), then I will pull it.

Schematics for which modifications and comments are submitted, will get their own page".
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...schematics.dat


It is interesting to note that Carl will remove a schematic that was re-drawn from a manufacturer's original copyrighted schematic.
But it is ok to post a schematic if you get it from reverse engineering a board you can see.

Also note that Carl is referring to commercial circuits for products which are already in use, not products which are still in testing stages and have not been released for public sale yet.
It will be interesting to see if Carl has any comments for the crypton locator, because this is a special case where the designer has already made one image public for a product which is not available for sale to the public yet.

When I read Carl's copyright policies, I can only feel respect for his fair treatment of copyrights.
He has adopted policies which protect owner's rights, and still allows forum members fair use when we do not violate the use of copyrights.
- - - - -

Some thoughts about all this:
From what I can see, it appears Crypton has said they authorized Andreas to release technical information for the Crypton product.
It appears that Crypton's concern is to keep other people who do not know the technical details of the OBMD-1 from making false representations of how it works or what it can do or not do.
As far as I can tell, there is no problem with copyrights, because no schematic was ever released from Andreas or Crypton to be copied.
The only possible copyright is the image Andreas posted or the artwork printed on the face of the OBMD-1 machine.

Actually I agree with Crypton's request that we consider Andreas and Crypton company to be the authority for the technical details of the OBMD-1 locator.
Nobody could possibly know what is inside their equipment except the people who manufacture it at this time.
It makes sense to me to wait to see what Crypton and Andreas tells us when they are ready to release thier product for commercial sales.
And it also makes sense to wait until someone opens one and takes photos of the inside before we think we know what components are used in the circuit.

However, I don't see a reason why this thread should be deleted.
We can wait for the Crypton news release while if we read forum opinions that are only speculative while we wait.
Nobody here will think that Geo or other people know what components are inside the Crypton locator.
We know that only Andreas and the Crypton company know what components are used in their circuits at this time.
Voicing our opinions does not infringe on anyone's copyrights or violate owner's rights.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Also note that Carl is referring to commercial circuits for products which are already in use, not products which are still in testing stages and have not been released for public sale yet.
It will be interesting to see if Carl has any comments for the crypton locator, because this is a special case where the designer has already made one image public for a product which is not available for sale to the public yet.

When I read Carl's copyright policies, I can only feel respect for his fair treatment of copyrights.
He has adopted policies which protect owner's rights, and still allows forum members fair use when we do not violate the use of copyrights.
- - - - -


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
From what i know Crypton is available for sale to the public. I can find their message at Greek forum where they say that now they Sell the LRL

Regards

[Carl-NC]

From what I understand, a PCB was posted on another forum. Geo wants to use that PCB image and reverse-engineer a schematic to post on this forum.

That is allowed, both by these forum rules and by most any legal guidelines.

- Carl

[goldmaniac]

geo μεταφρασε αυτα που γραφω ωστε να τα καταλαβουν οι φιλοι ποσο διπροσωπος ειναι ο τυπος
ας διαβασουν αυτα που γραφη στην ιστιοσελιδα του ειδικα στο τμημα abut και ας σκεφτουν λιγο
http://crypton.com.gr/about.html
οταν εδω δηλωνη οτι δεν πουλα και ειναι στο σταδιο δοκιμων ακομα πως μεσα στην σελιδα αναφερη οτι εχη μηχανηματα για επιδειξη και πωλουνται μονο χονδρικη
ας ριξουν και μια ματια στην ημερομηνια εναρξης της σελιδας και θα καταλαβουν τα φουμαρα που αμολα διαβαζοντας εδω
http://paskam.forumup.gr/about173-paskam.html
ενω με μεγαλο στομφο ειχε ξεκινηση τις πωλησεις απο το καλοκαιρι και μια επικολληση απο τα γραφωμενα του πριν και αυτα τα εξαφανισουν


pidetect



Συμμετάσχουν: 10 Ιαν 11
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Δημοσιεύθηκε: Θέμα δημοσίευσης: ΑΝΑΚΟΙΝΩΣΗ
Αρχίζει από σήμερα η διάθεση σε κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο του αποστακτικού Crypton με κωδικο μοντελου OBMD-1.
Η καθυστέρηση προέκυψε, γιατί μια προγραμματιζόμενη επίσημη δοκιμη, με εγγραφή βίντεο, ορισμένη για την Τετάρτη 28-07-2011 ματαιώθηκε.
Η ματαίωση της δοκιμής έγινε, γιατί υπήρχε «απαίτηση» από μέλος , μετά την δοκιμή και την εγγραφή σε βίντεο της δοκιμής, να του δοθεί «για ελεύθερη προσωπική του χρήση ορισμένου χρόνου» μηχάνημα, για δικές του δόκιμες, για να «αποφανθεί» εάν πρέπει να κάνει ανακοινώσεις στα φόρουμ.
Σε αυτή την περίπτωση, κρίθηκε αναγκαίο να γίνει η ματαίωση και να δώσουμε το δικαίωμα πλέον σε κάθε πελάτη μας να κάνει μόνος του ανακοινώσεις για την αξιοπιστία ή όχι της συσκευής μας , παρακάμπτοντας όλες τις χωρίς ουσία επιπλέον επαληθεύσεις από μη πελάτες μας.
Η δυνατότητες του, όπως έχω αναφέρει σε προηγούμενα posts είναι συγκεκριμένες.
Μέγιστη εμβέλεια 30 μέτρα, μόνο για παλαιά θαμμένα αντικείμενα. Ανίχνευση με σειρά προτεραιότητας 1. Χρυσό 2. Ασήμι 3. Χαλκό.
Δεν απαιτείται συγκεκριμένη πορεία (πχ Βορράς-Νότος) που έχουν ως βασικό κριτήριο αλλού τύπου αποστατικά για την έρευνα. Δεν παίζει κανένα ρόλο αν η έρευνα γίνει ημέρα ή νύκτα. Δεν εργάζεται όμως ποιο κοντά από 50 μέτρα σε Μ/Τ ή καλώδια υψηλής τάσης .
Θέλω μόνο να σημειώσω ξανά, ότι είναι η μοναδική Παγκοσμίως συσκευή, που μπορεί να ανίχνευση ένα στόχο από μακριά και να επιβεβαιωθεί το σημείο του στόχου με ακρίβεια στο μέτρο.
Η χρήση της συσκευής είναι πραγματικά απλή και δεν απαιτεί ιδιαίτερες ικανότητες από τον χειριστή.
Η τιμή ορίζεται στις 3800 εύρο επιπλέον ΦΠΑ. Κάθε αποστατικό συνοδεύεται υποχρεωτικά από τιμολόγιο Πώλησης, την σχετική εγγύηση και Serial Number.
Έως τέλος Αυγούστου, λόγω συγκεκριμένων παραγγελιών προς το εξωτερικό , θα παραδίδονται ελάχιστα μηχανήματα στην εγχώρια Αγορά, μόνο με παραγγελία και συγκεκριμένη ημερομηνία παράδοσης.
Για τα πρώτα τρία τεμάχια παραγγελίας αποκλειστικά από τα μέλη του paskam-forum, θα δωθεί έκπτωση γνωριμίας 20%.
Επίσης για τους κατόχους των τριών πρώτων αποστακτικών, θα αναλάβω προσωπικά την εκπαίδευση και χρήση της συσκευής με τον πελάτη μας.
Αύγουστο θα ξεκινήσει και η λειτουργία της ιστοσελίδας μας.
Για τις παραγγελίες σας, μπορείτε να στείλετε μήνυμα στην
Μόνο εγγεγραμμένοι χρήστες μπορούν να διαβάσουν τις υπογραφές σε αυτό το forum!
Γραφτείτε ή Συνδεθείτε στο φόρουμ!

ή να με πάρετε τηλέφωνο στο 6947-043604.
Το γραφείο μας με έδρα την Αθήνα, σύντομα θα είναι στην διάθεση σας.
Να σημειώσω, ότι δεν απαντώ σε τηλέφωνο με απόκρυψη ή emails χωρίς στοιχεία του ενδιαφερόμενου.
Πάντα στην διάθεση σας
Χρυσοσπάθης Ανδρέας

και το θεμα αυτο δεν πρεπη να διαγραφη,κατι τετοιοι μαγκες κανουν λεφτα σε βαρος του καθε απελπισμενου που προσπαθη να σηκωθη στα ποδια του
φιλε καρλ μην φοβασαι,καμμια νομικη καλυψη δεν εχη ειδικα στην αγγλια
και εφοσον ζουμε στην ευρωπη πρεπη να εχη ολα τα χαρτια του μηχανηματος και το πτυχιο του κατασκευαστη με αδεια εξασκησεως επαγγελματος και αριθμο ενγκρισεως
τα εχη?
φιλικα παρης

[WM6]

Google Translator:

geo translate what I write in order to understand the duplicitous friends from knowing how is the formula
They should read what I write on the website of the specific section abut and let us think a little
http://crypton.com.gr/about.html
here when I say that no bird is still in testing phase means that the page lists that echi machines for demonstration and sold wholesale only
let us throw a glance at the date of entry of the page and will understand that the smoke Unleaded reading here
http://paskam.forumup.gr/about173-paskam.html
while with great flamboyance started selling in the summer and a paste from the grafomena before and these disappear


pidetect



Joined: 10 January 11
Posts: 4

Posted: Post subject: ANNOUNCEMENT
Starting today, available to anyone interested in the distillation Crypton model number OBMD-1.
The delay arose because a planned official test, with recording, some of Wednesday 28/07/2011 aborted.
The cancellation of the test was because there was a "requirement" a member, after the test and record a video of the test to be given "free for personal use term" machine for his own tests to "rule" if should make announcements in the forums.
In this case, it was necessary to make the cancellation and give right now to every customer to make his own announcements to the credibility or otherwise of our device, bypassing all the substance without further verification by non-clients.
The possibilities, as I said in previous posts is specific.
Maximum range of 30 feet, only for old buried objects. Detection order of priority 1. Gold 2. Silver 3. Copper.
Not requiring a specific course (eg North-South) whose primary criterion other type Spacer for research. Plays no role if the research done day or night. But what does not work closer than 50 m T / T or high voltage cables.
I just want to note again, that is the world's only device that can detect a target from a distance and to confirm the point of the target accurately measure.
The use of the device is really simple and requires no special skills from the operator.
The price specified in the 3800 Range additional VAT. Any defected must be accompanied by a bill of Sale, the relevant security and Serial Number.
By late August, due to specific orders for abroad are delivered little machines in the domestic market, only this time ordering and delivery.
For the first three cuts ordered solely by members paskam-forum, will be given introductory discount of 20%.
Also for holders of the first distillation, I will take personal training and use the device to our customers.
August will launch and operation of our website.
For your orders, you can send a message to
Only registered users can see links on this forum!
Register or Login on forum!

or get a phone 6947-043604.
Our office is based in Athens, will soon be at your disposal.
Please note that I do not answer phone or emails without concealing items concerned.
Always at your disposal
Chrysospathi Andreas

and the matter should not be deleted, like these guys make money at the expense of each desperately tries to stand on their own feet
FILE Carl not afraid, no legal cover anyone does not have specifically in England
and if we live in Europe should echi all the machine's paper and the degree of the manufacturer with a Diploma profession and number engkriseos
the echi;
EASY Paris


or if one wish babelfish:

geo it translated what I write in order that him occupy the friends sum double-faced are the press
[as] they read what writing in [istioselida] specifically in the department abut and [as] thinks little
http://crypton.com.gr/about.html
when here [diloni] that it does not also sell they is in the stage of cadets still that in the page [anaferi] that [echi] instruments for demonstration and are only sold wholesale
[as] they throw also a glance in the date of beginning of page and they will occupy [foymara] that it unleashes reading here
http://paskam.forumup.gr/about173-paskam.html
while with big pomposity it had [xekinisi] the sales from the summertime and a affixing from [grafomena] front this they disappear also him


pidetect



They participate: 10 [Ian] 11
Publications: 4

It was published: Subject of publication: STATEMENT
Begins from today the disposal in each interested distillatory Crypton with code model obmd-1.
The delay resulted, because a programmed official trial, with registration video, certain for Wednesday 28-07-2011 was cancelled.
The cancellation of trial became, because existed “requirement” from member, afterwards the trial and the registration in videos of trial, is given to him “for his free personal use of certain time” instrument, for his own trials, in order to “it pronounces” if it should it makes statements in the forums.
In this case, it was judged necessary becomes the cancellation and we henceforth give the right in our each customer make alone him statements on the reliability or no our appliance, passing all the without substance moreover verifications from not our customers.
His possibilities, as I have reported in previously posts are concrete.
Biggest scope 30 metres, only for in the old days [thammena] objects. Detection with order of priority 1. Golden 2. Silver 3. Coper.
Is not required concrete course ([pch] North-south) that has as basic criterion of elsewhere type [apostatika] for the research. It does not play no role if the research becomes day or night. It does not work however who near from 50 metres in [M]/[T] or cables of high tendency.
I only want to mark again, that it is the unique Worldwide appliance, that it can detection a objective from far and be confirmed the point of objective with precision in the metre.
The use of appliance is really simple and does not require particular faculties from the operator.
The price is fixed in the 3800 [eyro] moreover VAT. Each [apostatiko] is accompanied obligatorily by tariff of Sale, the relative guarantee and Serial Number.
Until end August, because concrete orders to the abroad, will be delivered minimal instruments in the domestic Market, only with order and concrete date of delivery.
For the first three items of order exclusively from the members paskam-forum, [dothei] handing-over of acquaintance 20%.
Also for the holders three first distillatory, I will undertake personally the education and use of appliance with our customer.
August will begin also the operation of our web page.
For your orders, you can send message in
Only registered users can read the signatures in this forum!
Be written or Connected in the forum!

or me you take telephone in 6947-043604.
Our office with seat Athens, at an early date will be in your disposal.
Mark, that I do not answer in telephone with dissimulation or emails without elements interested.
Always in your disposal
[Chrysospathis] Andreas

and the subject this [prepi] deletion, something such [magkes] they make money in weight each brought to despair that [prospathi] raise itself in his apron
friend Karl you specifically do not fear, no legal cover [echi] in England
and provided that we live in Europe [prepi] [echi] the all papers of instrument and the degree of constructor with empty [exaskiseos] profession and number [engkriseos]
[echi]?
friendlily [paris]

[WM6]

Originally Posted by WM6

Maximum range of 30 feet, only for old buried objects.

I just want to note again, that is the world's only device that can detect a target from a distance and to confirm the point of the target accurately measure.

How old buried object have to be to detect something? 1.000 years? 999,99 years?

If world's only device that can detect a target from a distance cannot detect fresh buried gold from say 3m then it cannot detect old buried gold from 30 feet too.

"only for old buried objects" is only producer excuse in advance, cause he know that his creation will fail to detect something in real use.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

From what I understand, a PCB was posted on another forum. Geo wants to use that PCB image and reverse-engineer a schematic to post on this forum.

That is allowed, both by these forum rules and by most any legal guidelines.

- Carl

Thank you Carl.
I will try to finish the reverse engineering and to put here the schematic. Most components will not have values but i believe that this is not a problem so to understand how much good works this special technology.
For obvious reasons, from now on i will call this detector Cryfton

Regards

[Geo]

WM6, thanks for the translation.
Later i will try to edit some errors (little)

[Geo]

A small edit at WM6 translation

Begins from today the disposal in each interested the LRL Crypton with code model obmd-1.
The delay resulted, because a programmed official test, with registration video, certain for Wednesday 28-07-2011 was cancelled.
The cancellation of test became, because existed “requirement” from member, afterwards the test and the registration in videos of test, to give it to him “for his free personal use of certain time” instrument, for his own trials, in order to “it pronounces” if it should it makes statements in the forums.
((In this case, it was judged necessary becomes the cancellation and we henceforth give the right in our each customer make alone him statements on the reliability or no our appliance, passing all the without substance moreover verifications from not our customers. ..--very bad translate... let it))))
His possibilities, as I have reported in previously posts are concrete.
Biggest scope 30 metres, only for in the old days buried objects. Detection with order of priority 1. Golden 2. Silver 3. Coper.
Is not required concrete course ( North-south) that has as basic criterion of elsewhere type lrl for the research. It does not play no role if the research becomes day or night. It does not work however who near from 50 metres in [M]/[T] or cables of high tendency.
I only want to mark again, that it is the unique Worldwide appliance, that it can detection a objective from far and be confirmed the point of objective with precision in one meter.
The use of appliance is really simple and does not require particular faculties from the operator.
The price is fixed in the 3800 euro moreover VAT. Each LRL is accompanied obligatorily by tariff of Sale, the relative guarantee and Serial Number.
Until end August, because concrete orders to the abroad, will be delivered minimal instruments in the domestic Market, only with order and concrete date of delivery.
For the first three items of order exclusively from the members paskam-forum, [will giving] handing-over of acquaintance 20%.
Also for the first three lrl, I will undertake personally the education and use of appliance with our customer.
August will begin also the operation of our web page.
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Our office with seat Athens, at an early date will be in your disposal.
Mark, that I do not answer in telephone with dissimulation or emails without elements interested.
Always in your disposal
Chrysospathis Andreas
and this thread (post) must not deletion, because some "persons" they make money in weight each brought to despair that try raise itself in his apron
friend Carl you specifically do not fear, he has not legal cover in USA,
and since we live in Europe should have all the machine's paper, and Diploma manufacturer profession, and approval number
Does he has them????

Regards

[ANDREAS]

I see again attack my person from goldmaniac and Geo.
Thank you for this. I am so happy, because, some people my country don't like my success.
Yes i draw a real LRL. This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.
But I found a problem and I cannot give authorisation still for sales if I don't have solution for this.
OBMD-1 work perfect with dry ground normal or hot days, but October tests my country, with wetted ground, after rain and high humidity, i see.. detection range is very poor with small false signals.
After this i redraw all circuit (duty cycle pulse, IR sensor receiver etc,etc) .
Now with my person tests and three customers my country, i think OBMD-1 with new mods work fine, but i cannot give authorisation before make a real big test with very cold days, high humidity and 2-3days rain.
I don't like sell a machine all world and this machine don't work, for example, north europe with high humidity and wetted ground.
I need customer has success
I believe this months i find my country this weather for finish all test.
After this i can give authorisation start crypton website, i can give authorisation for dealers.
Thank you again Geo and Goldmaniac for make publicity.
They know very well, their friends saw with eyes the success of tests, but "the envy" sometimes is more... powerful for logic.

Thank's again

[Geo]

Originally Posted by ANDREAS

I see again attack my person from goldmaniac and Geo.
Thank you for this. I am so happy, because, some people my country don't like my success.
Yes i draw a real LRL. This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.
But I found a problem and I cannot give authorisation still for sales if I don't have solution for this.
OBMD-1 work perfect with dry ground normal or hot days, but October tests my country, with wetted ground, after rain and high humidity, i see.. detection range is very poor with small false signals.
After this i redraw all circuit (duty cycle pulse, IR sensor receiver etc,etc) .
Now with my person tests and three customers my country, i think OBMD-1 with new mods work fine, but i cannot give authorisation before make a real big test with very cold days, high humidity and 2-3days rain.
I don't like sell a machine all world and this machine don't work, for example, north europe with high humidity and wetted ground.
I need customer has success
I believe this months i find my country this weather for finish all test.
After this i can give authorisation start crypton website, i can give authorisation for dealers.
Thank you again Geo and Goldmaniac for make publicity.
They know very well, their friends saw with eyes the success of tests, but "the envy" sometimes is more... powerful for logic.

Thank's again

Hi Andreas.
I personally do not make you attack. Publishing the schematic of your lrl, does not mean that i attacking you. YOU wrote in your page that your detector is not affected by hours, seasons, humidity, magnetic fields etc. Had you done tests before writing them to your site;;;
With the schematic that you use do not expect much.
I wish you success with Cryfton and I will continue to advertise You.

Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by ANDREAS

This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.

"only paramagnetic"???

Andreas, evidently you even do not know what paramagnetic mean. Read this:

Paramagnetic metals have a small and positive susceptibility to magnetic fields. These materials are slightly attracted by a magnetic field and the material does not retain the magnetic properties when the external field is removed. Paramagnetic properties are due to the presence of some unpaired electrons, and from the realignment of the electron orbits caused by the external magnetic field. Paramagnetic materials include magnesium, molybdenum, lithium, and tantalum.

So, you are searching for "old buried" magnesium, lithium and tantalum? Be sure that all those metal are very very "old buried" so no problem to find it. By the way, Niobium (the name comes from Greek mythology: Niobe), most rare metal which worth more than gold, is paramagnetic too, so you are on right way, but only on wrong place - you need to move to Nigeria or Congo.

The only 100% with your creation is, that it is pure guarantee 100% fraud and para-scientific para-LRL. Left here aside your good or bad intention (no doubt that 3800 euro is good for you and at the same time bad for naive buyers).

Your here cited sentence ("... only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim.

[ANDREAS]

Originally Posted by WM6

"only paramagnetic"???

Andreas, evidently you even do not know what paramagnetic mean. Read this:


The only 100% with your creation is, that it is pure guarantee 100% fraud and para-scientific para-LRL. Left here aside your good or bad intention (no doubt that 3800 euro is good for you and at the same time bad for naive buyers).

Your here cited sentence ("... only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim.

Only parmagnetic... sorry my false with translate. I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"
about "..is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim." Are you sure? Have you a machine? Are you customer? Logical you must be banned from administator, but i am sure administrator don't see this No comments by me.
regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by ANDREAS

Only parmagnetic... sorry my false with translate. I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"
about "..is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim." Are you sure? Have you a machine? Are you customer? Logical you must be banned from administator, but i am sure administrator don't see this No comments by me.
regards

False with translate?
How can you translate "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu" into "paramagnetic"?
Except if you have no idea what you create, which seems is true.

Yes, I am 100% sure, as you are "100%" sure. Till to be scientifically proven who is right. I am ready to make a valid test of your creation, are you too?

If it is nothing wrong with your 3800 euro unproven scam claim, then what can be wrong with my free of charge claim?

Of course I understand that you wish I am disappear far away from your fraud business. I will not disappear.

I repeat: your sentence ("... detect only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim. To prevent serious scientifically based tests - nothing else. Cause you well know that your creation will fail all serious tests, but you have prepared excuse: "this is not old buried metal". O yea, this is not old buried - this only old scamming trick.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by WM6

False with translate?
How can you translate "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu" into "paramagnetic"?
Except if you have no idea what you create, which seems is true.

Yes, I am 100% sure, as you are "100%" sure. Till to be scientifically proven who is right. I am ready to make a valid test of your creation, are you too?

If it is nothing wrong with your 3800 euro unproven scam claim, then what can be wrong with my free of charge claim?

Of course I understand that you wish I am disappear far away from your fraud business. I will not disappear.

I repeat: your sentence ("... detect only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim. To prevent serious scientifically based tests - nothing else. Cause you well know that your creation will fail all serious tests, but you have prepared excuse: "this is not old buried metal". O yea, this is not old buried - this only old scamming trick.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by ANDREAS

Only parmagnetic... sorry my false with translate. I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"
about "..is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim." Are you sure? Have you a machine? Are you customer? Logical you must be banned from administator, but i am sure administrator don't see this No comments by me.
regards

Hi Andreas

I believe your CRYPTON is a true LRL,100% as you said.
But what about the other model PD magic you put in youtube??? i tought this one is the best...

good luck with the Crypton project

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Morgan

I believe your CRYPTON is a true LRL,100% as you said.

Dear Morgan I belive too, that those Crypton is a true 100% LRL, sadly this not mean that Crypton can detect something like gold and silver in real field.

Crypton is developed and build to find only one really big finding in his lifetime. Only one big finding in all his lifetime! Do you wish to know which big finding?