Is earth NMR and dowsing related?

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Evening theseus: You posted -->That is pure pseudo or wish science, and has never been validated by conventional measuring instruments.
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and just what are you measureing and with what conventional instruments?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Evening theseus: You posted -->That is pure pseudo or wish science, and has never been validated by conventional measuring instruments.
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and just what are you measureing and with what conventional instruments?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Ummm...
We all know that Theseus uses conventional instruments to measure things.
What things? I don't know.
But I do know he uses instruments to measure them on account of he told stories about his years of experience in the testing industry.
If you can't believe what Theseus says about his testing experience, then what can you believe? ... HungScience?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Tim Williams]

I know why many can't see how lrl's work. I understand completely. I started out in 1985 to prove the same. I saw that there was more to this. I just got word that a cement vault was located using the lrl500. Many will say that's chance. They are clearing the vault and do have metal inside. Not to further rule out chance how deep would you dig if you were that person? 3 ft how about 80 ft! This is why I say they work. Because there's no way you can walk across the face of the earth and point to the ground and say dig here. That would be chance!

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

I know why many can't see how lrl's work. I understand completely. I started out in 1985 to prove the same. I saw that there was more to this. I just got word that a cement vault was located using the lrl500. Many will say that's chance. They are clearing the vault and do have metal inside. Not to further rule out chance how deep would you dig if you were that person? 3 ft how about 80 ft! This is why I say they work. Because there's no way you can walk across the face of the earth and point to the ground and say dig here. That would be chance!

Many can't see how LRLs work because the theory is so lame, it makes you sick to the stomach. Others can't see how LRLs work because they have seen the insides of these gimmicks, and nothing in there can physically cause a specimen to resonate.

Tim...I honestly can't believe you are so gullible that you actually believe someone found a cement vault that was NOT constructed of metal. Dollars to doughnuts...this cement vault is located in the Philippines. Add to those doughnuts...and the Filipino treasure hunters cannot break open the Japanese cement.

[Tim Williams]

Jim don't be upset because a find like this is against your belief system. I'm just saying there are people that use lrl's and are happy. I can tell by your post you know this was not chance. Jim your missing the point 80 ft deep! An anomaly was found using the lrl500 at 80 foot deep.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Jim don't be upset because a find like this is against your belief system. I'm just saying there are people that use lrl's and are happy. I can tell by your post you know this was not chance.

Upset? Nope. I've grown to expect such claims from people who believe they have supernatural powers.

Do I get the doughnuts? Is the cement vault in the Philippines? Is it made out of super-hard Japanese concrete, that our Filipino buddies can't break?

Honestly now Tim....didn't you know cement vaults are slap full of rebar...how does one deduct metal is inside of a room that is encased in metal?

[Tim Williams]

Originally Posted by Jim

Upset? Nope. I've grown to expect such claims from people who believe they have supernatural powers.

Do I get the doughnuts? Is the cement vault in the Philippines? Is it made out of super-hard Japanese concrete, that our Filipino buddies can't break?

Honestly now Tim....didn't you know cement vaults are slap full of rebar...how does one deduct metal is inside of a room that is encased in metal?

Jim I won't waste my time on you. You can't bring yourself to even think of how in the hell did they find that vault can you. It's a fact Jim they did. Deal with it. I can't eat doughnuts.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Jim I won't waste my time on you. You can't bring yourself to even think of how in the hell did they find that vault can you. It's a fact Jim they did. Deal with it. I can't eat doughnuts.

Well then...I guess we are talking about cement vaults in the Philippines. Cement vaults appear to be a dime a dozen over there. Even though they are never photographed. They all seem to contain a portion of Yamshi.ta's Treasure.

Unfortunately for treasure hunters who find these cement vaults....the crafty Japanese seemed to have used a impenetrable cement, that neither conventional jackhammers or chemicals can breakthrough.

Its not that you are wasting time on me, Tim. I've challenged your claim, and you've retreated.

[Tim Williams]

Originally Posted by Jim

Well then...I guess we are talking about cement vaults in the Philippines. Cement vaults appear to be a dime a dozen over there. Even though they are never photographed. They all seem to contain a portion of Yamshi.ta's Treasure.

Unfortunately for treasure hunters who find these cement vaults....the crafty Japanese seemed to have used a impenetrable cement, that neither conventional jackhammers or chemicals can breakthrough.

Its not that you are wasting time on me, Tim. I've challenged your claim, and you've retreated.

Jim why are you so obsessed with Japanese treasure. Here's more of the same. It may be KGC or Captain Jack Sparrows treasure!

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...c,79536.0.html

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Jim why are you so obsessed with Japanese treasure. Here's more of the same.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...c,79536.0.html

Why not reply to me challenging your claim, rather than to post a link to another internet message board?

In the link you posted....I did not see the cement vault buried 80 foot underground, that you claimed your LRL gimmick found.

[Tim Williams]

Originally Posted by Jim

Why not reply to me challenging your claim, rather than to post a link to another internet message board?

In the link you posted....I did not see the cement vault buried 80 foot underground, that you claimed your LRL gimmick found.

Here Jim read very slowly.

Cement vault
80 foot deep
Located with LRL500
Oh yeah they used Mike and Jeff's rods. Now I really got you going!

By the way I never said I did not see the vault, you did. Finding any rings lately?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Here Jim read very slowly.

Cement vault
80 foot deep
Located with LRL500
Oh yeah they used Mike and Jeff's rods. Now I really got you going!

By the way I never said I did not see the vault, you did. Finding any rings lately?

Naw....you don't got me going, Tim. I am used to LRL manufactures not validating their claims. That, and I recognized a 80 foot deep cement vault Filipino scam when I see one.

The water is to cold now, my season is over. Have you sold any fraudulent instruments lately?

[Tim Williams]

I see your upset. I'm sorry, that was not my intention. To get back on subject how do you feel about earth NMR?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

I see your upset.

Using your supernatural powers again?

Thanks for the LRL manufactures side-step and not validating your claim. I'll take that sack of doughnuts now

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

I know why many can't see how lrl's work. I understand completely. I started out in 1985 to prove the same. I saw that there was more to this. I just got word that a cement vault was located using the lrl500. Many will say that's chance. They are clearing the vault and do have metal inside. Not to further rule out chance how deep would you dig if you were that person? 3 ft how about 80 ft! This is why I say they work. Because there's no way you can walk across the face of the earth and point to the ground and say dig here. That would be chance!

Hi Tim,
That's an interesting story.
If a dowser told me he located something with metal in it at a certain location, I would stop digging after maybe 5 feet. Then if he insisted it is there, I might dig a couple more feet just to make sure I didn't miss it by a few inches. Then I would go home and conclude I got suckered into digging an empty hole where a dowser said there was metal. I would be thinking that if I dug enough miles into the ground, I would eventually hit iron at the core of the earth, but I could find this iron without a dowser.

But this is a story about a treasure hunt where they continued digging to 80 feet and did find something. It sounds unusual for a dowsing story. The part that seems fairly usual is it is a dowsing/LRL recovery story that nobody seems to know much about, and will probably be kept secret in order to conceal who found the vault, where they found it, and what is inside it.
Or maybe not.
Is there any more information about the vault or what is inside it?

A second question that comes to mind is how did they dig an 80 foot hole?
Depending on the soil, a vertical shaft 80 feet deep can be very dangerous unless they used shoring, or dug it maybe as a crater 160 feet diameter?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Tim Williams]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Tim,
That's an interesting story.
If a dowser told me he located something with metal in it at a certain location, I would stop digging after maybe 5 feet. Then if he insisted it is there, I might dig a couple more feet just to make sure I didn't miss it by a few inches. Then I would go home and conclude I got suckered into digging an empty hole where a dowser said there was metal. I would be thinking that if I dug enough miles into the ground, I would eventually hit iron at the core of the earth, but I could find this iron without a dowser.

But this is a story about a treasure hunt where they continued digging to 80 feet and did find something. It sounds unusual for a dowsing story. The part that seems fairly usual is it is a dowsing/LRL recovery story that nobody seems to know much about, and will probably be kept secret in order to conceal who found the vault, where they found it, and what is inside it.
Or maybe not.
Is there any more information about the vault or what is inside it?

A second question that comes to mind is how did they dig an 80 foot hole?
Depending on the soil, a vertical shaft 80 feet deep can be very dangerous unless they used shoring, or dug it maybe as a crater 160 feet diameter?

Best wishes,
J_P

J_P I can't say much about it yet. I requested pictures. If I get permission to release more info I will have a page on my site and post here also. The only reason I said anything about it is because people do use my equipment and are locating. I know it's not proven to work by science. I know it does not make sense. Yet it happens.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Jim

Using your supernatural powers again?

Thanks for the LRL manufactures side-step and not validating your claim. I'll take that sack of doughnuts now

Like a devoted theist, an LRL salesman/manufacture can never come close to admitting there could be the slightest problem with their "belief system" or their bogus contraptions based on that "belief system". When they build their contraptions, they also spend equal or more time building their convenient little back-doors(*) to avoid being sued. Likewise, challenges to provide credible proof and evidence are always side-stepped or simply ignored completely.

Enjoy your donuts...

(*) The Williams back-door is his Ring Theory

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

J_P I can't say much about it yet. I requested pictures. If I get permission to release more info I will have a page on my site and post here also. The only reason I said anything about it is because people do use my equipment and are locating. I know it's not proven to work by science. I know it does not make sense. Yet it happens.

Could you at least divulge the country in which the alleged cement vault was located in?

Maybe we can enhance that sack of doughnuts wager with a bag of bagels...being you can't eat doughnuts

[Tim Williams]

He used the word chamber. So it may have been a sealed cave. I can't say anymore about it cause that's all I know. He is sending pictures and if he say I can say more I will. Sorry Jim I'm low carb! How about a steak?

Theseus HE was using frequencies calculated from my ring theory. But I will put on my site that ring theory is just that a theory. Will that make you happy?

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Tsk Tsk no-one answers anything, especially swr. About an 80' hole, that depends entirely upon the ground matrix, Never heard of wells?

Don Jose de La Mancha
]"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

He used the word chamber. So it may have been a sealed cave. I can't say anymore about it cause that's all I know. He is sending pictures and if he say I can say more I will. Sorry Jim I'm low carb! How about a steak?

Theseus HE was using frequencies calculated from my ring theory. But I will put on my site that ring theory is just that a theory. Will that make you happy?

Low carb it is! I eagerly await to read the conclusion of this mysterious vault/chamber/cave found 80 foot below the surface of the Earth

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

J-Player my friend: You posted -->We all know that Theseus uses conventional instruments to measure things.
What things? I don't know.
But I do know he uses instruments to measure them on account of he told stories about his years of experience in the testing industry.
If you can't believe what Theseus says about his testing experience, then what can you believe?
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May I ask him to please measure the strenght and intensity of a bee's thought in choice of which flower to visit? At which time I will freely acknowledge him as the authority.


Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

J-Player my friend: You posted -->We all know that Theseus uses conventional instruments to measure things.
What things? I don't know.
But I do know he uses instruments to measure them on account of he told stories about his years of experience in the testing industry.
If you can't believe what Theseus says about his testing experience, then what can you believe?
************
May I ask him to please measure the strenght and intensity of a bee's thought in choice of which flower to visit? At which time I will freely acknowledge him as the authority.


Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Hi Mr. Don,
I am sure he will do it for a nominal fee.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Fee?? not for the fantastic publicity? and of course for the Ego filling factor.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Fee?? not for the fantastic publicity? and of course for the Ego filling factor.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Of course not!
The fee would only pay the costs of hiring employees to conduct the tests, and to obtain and calibrate instruments to measure the strenght and intensity of a bee's thought in choice of which flower to visit.


Best wishes,
J_P