When Honesty and Truthness Hit Hard on Skepthic's Heads

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Good morning: I am a bit surprised, both were obviously specifically applicable, however in the future I will definitely specify to which point I am addressing. I assumed incorrectly that it was obvious, my appol gentlemen.

They are non-sequiturs designed to deflect and derail J_P's central points.

Specifically: Jeff Haslett's statement that the H3Tec works, without ever testing it; and Hung's portrayal of same as that of an "honest and truthful" person, but who is actually an H3Tec representative.

Wether Dell sold PCs out of the trunk of his car, or wether you had the money to attend a fancy dinner are non-sequiturs/

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

good morning gentlemen: both replies went down nicely for a bit of humor with my morning coffee, especially swr's he he he he he.

However if you cannot connect the posts then "Es la vida, no es mi problema. C'est la Vie".
i
Incidentally, is swr posting his life's references? It certainly sounds like his life. quote -->

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance


I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

good morning gentlemen: both replies went down nicely for a bit of humor with my morning coffee, especially swr's he he he he he.

However if you cannot connect the posts then "Es la vida, no es mi problema. C'est la Vie".
i
Incidentally, is swr posting his life's references? It certainly sounds like his life. quote -->

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance


I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

So, we have more non-sequiturs and a mild ad hominem about SWR. I am glad it helped you drink your cafe con leche but isn't it time to engage in reasonable LRL theories?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

good morning gentlemen: both replies went down nicely for a bit of humor with my morning coffee, especially swr's he he he he he.

However if you cannot connect the posts then "Es la vida, no es mi problema. C'est la Vie".
i
Incidentally, is swr posting his life's references? It certainly sounds like his life. quote -->

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance


I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

yeppers..... nothing of great intelligence here.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HOLA Rudy: D'accord, Estoy en acuerdo agreed. I believe that I attempted to start it off that way, no? But a certain gentleman, as usual, attempted to turn it personal.

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Gentlemen:A confirmation and parroting of my last post-->

-swr- yeppers..... nothing of great intelligence here


Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to live, not live to exist"

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

...I think that this is going to be a fun series, if this is to be an example, even if nothing of great intelligence is posted..

Hi Mr. Don,

Maybe you missed it. Something of intelligence was posted here.
This entire thread was started by hung when he decided to show what impression the Geotech forum causes in an honest innocent outsider.
We see a post he cited from the H3Tec forum that shows how this honest innocent outsider criticizes the Geotech forum.
Then we discover this "honest innocent outsider" is actually Jeff Haslett, the H3Tec representative!

Where is the intelligence?
Hung displayed questionable intelligence to try to trick people into thinking Jeff is an "honest innocent outsider" instead of an H3Tec representative.
He tried to convince people that Geotech skeptics cause a bad impression on "honest innocent outsiders", without mentioning his example was far from being an "honest innocent outsider".
Jeff's post in the H3Tec forum looks like his defense and an explanation for why he refused to allow a double blind test of an H3Tec locator to see if it really works.
His post also looks like an excuse for why he cannot attend the big H3Tec event, as well as a lot of criticism of Geotech.
As an H3Tec representative, do you suppose he had reasons to be biased against allowing a skeptic to conduct a real double blind test, rather than watching a factory demo?
Do you suppose the H3Tec factory would allow Tim Williams or Carl-NC to hide silver coins or bars that the H3Tec cannot find again?
Since the time when the H3Tec factory reps failed to find Carl's and Tim's hidden silver at their factory demo, the owners of H3Tec have refused all offers of double blind testing done outside thier organization.

Since hung started this thread, we would expect he would show enough intelligence to choose a better example of an "honest innocent outsider" than H3Tec rep Jeff Haslett.
hung knows skeptics usually check the facts to see if they are being presented with trutful information.
Is it possible hung thought skeptics wouldn't discover that Jeff is the same H3Tec factory rep who declined Carl's test and $25,000 prize?
I doubt it.
But who knows?
Maybe hung doesn't have the intellect to figure that out.

Actually I think hung began this thread so he could post for a different reason than he stated.
But why make this post if as hung says: "I don't have hope this will reach all skeptics. Not even a few. But if by chance it reaches only one, then it will have been worth it"?
It appears he did not intend to address this post to skeptics.
It appears to be written for the benefit of the H3Tec fan boys to help bolster thier illusion that they are winning the propaganda war to convince people that the H3Tec works.
It appears he is trying to tell H3Tec worshipers that the facts Geotech posters told about H3Tec equipment are not believed by innocent outsiders who read Geotech.

While the ethics of doing this seem questionable, there is some degree of intelligence displayed.
At least an illusion of security and well-being was temporarily portrayed for the benefit of H3Tec fan boys at the time of hnug's opening post.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Morning J_P: Interesting post. I must admit to being lazy, so I haven't gone back to the first post in each series, but just picked up where I entered.

A double blind study is two edged sword. Perhaps that is why none of the Medical establishments approved Cancer treatments have 'ever' been submitted to one.

I have seen many double blind studies, almost all, being extremely flexible in wording and conditions, are effectively worthless since they can be heavily weighted towards the wishes of the interpretator for or against the object of the test..

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Morning J_P: Interesting post. I must admit to being lazy, so I haven't gone back to the first post in each series, but just picked up where I entered.

A double blind study is two edged sword. Perhaps that is why none of the Medical establishments approved Cancer treatments have 'ever' been submitted to one.

I have seen many double blind studies, almost all, being extremely flexible in wording and conditions, are effectively worthless since they can be heavily weighted towards the wishes of the interpretator for or against the object of the test..

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Hi Mr. Don,
A medical study has nothing to do with the honesty and innocence of Jeff Haslett's representations of the H3Tec LRL.
A double blind test for an LRL is a simple test where the LRL is used to find some silver that someone else hides.
It answers the question "can the H3Tec find the hidden silver or not"?
There are no control groups to go awry.
The only control is to let the factory rep confirm the H3Tec is locating silver in a known location to insure the equipment is working correctly before locating the silver in the unknown locations.

No two edge sword of interpretation here... either find the hidden silver or not.

We already saw the H3Tec was not able to find the silver that Carl-NC and Tim Williams hid during their demonstration at the Texas show.
Is it any wonder they are not interested in repeating a test they already failed?

Best wishes
J_P

P.S. Maybe you could get the idea that irrelevant examples do not work to excuse H3Tec from passing a test that any toy metal detector can pass (just a hint).

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HIO J_P, my new friend: May I remind you that I initially stated that I have no idea if any of the devices work or not. I am not in here to prove any of them, but to discuss the potential and theories behind them. In theory they should work, but are we in a situation similar to aircraft design in 1902? None flying yet?

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist:.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

HIO J_P, my new friend: May I remind you that I initially stated that I have no idea if any of the devices work or not. I am not in here to prove any of them, but to discuss the potential and theories behind them. In theory they should work, but are we in a situation similar to aircraft design in 1902? None flying yet?

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist:.

Hi Mr. Don,

Yes, I remember your saying so, and I remember suggesting your interest in discussing whether an LRL can ever work seems like a good topic for a new thread.
Have you given any thought to starting a new thread?
Or do you plan to continue making irrelevant posts in answer to hung's claim to the honesty and innocence of Jeff Haslett?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI J_P my friend: You posted -->Or do you plan to continue making irrelevant posts
***************
Relevancy, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

Be my guest in opening a new forum, but make it broad.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. I haven't been called 'Mr' since I ceased being an officer in the USAF. Swr substitutes @##$%%^^%%&^^^ for that , and he is probably right. SOOO hint--!

[Jim]

Jeff Haslett will be hosting/teaching a H3 class in San Diego, according to the H3 Tec website. Maybe this will be a good opportunity for the Left Coast "Geotechies" (as Jeff calls us) to see this device in action.

Just some food for thought, and hopefully on topic

Hi everyone,

Jeff Haslett our first rep and one of our very dear friends is teaching this next week in Sunny San Diego! He has a couple of students for his premier! Jeff has a lot of hours on the H3, and is very knowledgeable about using it. I'm not sure if we are going to support him, or just see our good friend. This class gave us a good reason to do both. If he stumbles, and he won't, we can have a soft landing. We at H3 travel to classes to help support and audit our instructors. We want our clients to have the very best training they can get. In fact we demand it! Our reps are truly amazing people as well as experts with the H3 technology.

http://forum.h3tec.com/post?id=4999119&trail=#1

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Jim

Jeff Haslett will be hosting/teaching a H3 class in San Diego, according to the H3 Tec website. Maybe this will be a good opportunity for the Left Coast "Geotechies" (as Jeff calls us) to see this device in action.

Just some food for thought, and hopefully on topic




http://forum.h3tec.com/post?id=4999119&trail=#1

Aren't the H3Tec factory training classes proprietary information that only paying customers are permitted to attend?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Aren't the H3Tec factory training classes proprietary information that only paying customers are permitted to attend?

Best wishes,
J_P

I am not 100% sure on that, J_P

I can only assume that these classes are open to anyone, as Chuck and his H3 rep's continuously mention how Carl, myself and other skeptic's refuse to attend these classes/demonstrations

I would think...and, this is just my opinion...that these classes would be open to the general public as a promotional sales aid.

added later:

From the H3 rep Ike Tiner

If you want to see H3 work.. use it yourself.... all you need to do is go to the H3tec site and contact either H3 or one it's representatives and schedule a demonstration...or make arrangements to sit in one of the classes they give, at various locations around the US..and you can sit in as a guest...you'll learn nearly everything a fresh student learns about the H3...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2611670

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Jim

" ......and you can sit in as a guest... .."

.... and as for guest is not proper to ask uncomfortable questions to host ..... so demonstrations are always successful ...