When Honesty and Truthness Hit Hard on Skepthic's Heads

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

As you might expect from a forum dealing with a controversial subject, there is bound to be an occasional amount of name calling. It's knowing when not to cross the "signal?" line. You should be good at that.

No.
You people turned a normal and natural subject into a controversial one.
Not us.

[gibon]

Originally Posted by Jim

This post only confirms my original post.

You are a frickin' idiot.

Skeptics are allowed the threat other member of "IDIOT" and other have just the right to shut up.

That is not JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are not fair play dear administrator.

Gibon

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

No.
You people turned a normal and natural subject into a controversial one.
Not us.

Really?
I once again quote from the TNET LRL Forum:
Long Range Locators
PLEASE NOTE: As the administrator, creator and owner of this site, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE GET RIPPED OFF (defrauded) by people selling so-called "long range locators" (devices, that supposedly, can find precious metals at a distance). I HIGHLY recommend consulting a geophysicist ($100 in consulting fees could save you thousands, and you'll learn something!), before spending ONE DIME ON ANY "long range locator" . With that, I open this forum to the discussion of said devices.

And you still think this subject is "normal and natural"?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by gibon

Skeptics are allowed the threat other member of "IDIOT" and other have just the right to shut up.

That is not JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are not fair play dear administrator.

Gibon

The forum rules apply to everyone, but it usually takes one person to cross the line. Normally it's a succession of rants or personal attacks such as the one's from Hung, not an isolated post. Anyway, it was only a warning. So far everything (including the insults) remain.
Just keep it civil, and at least as polite as the House of Commons.

[gibon]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The forum rules apply to everyone, but it usually takes one person to cross the line. Normally it's a succession of rants or personal attacks such as the one's from Hung, not an isolated post. Anyway, it was only a warning. So far everything (including the insults) remain.
Just keep it civil, and at least as polite as the House of Commons.

PEACE !!

[WM6]

Originally Posted by gibon

Skeptics are allowed the threat other member of "IDIOT" and other have just the right to shut up.

This is only an technical abbreviation for new H3Tec compilation named: "Interplanetary Dovsing Imaginery of Oldtimers Treasuring".

[hung]

Originally Posted by gibon

Skeptics are allowed the threat other member of "IDIOT" and other have just the right to shut up.

That is not JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are not fair play dear administrator.

Gibon

Gibon,
Since the departure of Esteban and my own absence from discussing LRL here, this forum is 'at leeway'.
It became a trench for Carl's followers to refute everything from the LRL comunity.
Don't ever expect to have a balanced discussion about those matters here.
The usual members who I don't need to mention who they are, simply post here less and less often.
I this situation remains, this place is faded to disappear I think. But certainly what it used to be is a lot, lot different than it is now.

If you want to discuss locating with your Lrod, and other similar subjects, I suggest you join the TNET forum.
There, despite annoying skeptics also inhabit, many LRL and L rod users still can share experiences and impressions, unlike here where the AntiLRL AlQaeda rules.

TNET is much bigger than Geotech in terms of members and has much more visibility.
See you there my friend.
Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Gibon,
Since the departure of Esteban and my own absence from discussing LRL here, this forum is 'at leeway'.
It became a trench for Carl's followers to refute everything from the LRL comunity.
Don't ever expect to have a balanced discussion about those matters here.
The usual members who I don't need to mention who they are, simply post here less and less often.
I this situation remains, this place is faded to disappear I think. But certainly what it used to be is a lot, lot different than it is now.

If you want to discuss locating with your Lrod, and other similar subjects, I suggest you join the TNET forum.
There, despite annoying skeptics also inhabit, many LRL and L rod users still can share experiences and impressions, unlike here where the AntiLRL AlQaeda rules.

TNET is much bigger than Geotech in terms of members and has much more visibility.
See you there my friend.
Regards.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Good morning ladies and gentlemen; HI swr, we meet again. this may be fun.

Qiaozhi You have two words, one of 6 strokes, the other of 8. Since I don't have my Chinese dictionary handy, and have forgotten much of my written Chinese, can you clarify?

Gracias

Don Jose de La Mancha

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Good morning ladies and gentlemen; HI swr, we meet again. this may be fun.

Qiaozhi You have two words, one of 6 strokes, the other of 8. Since I don't have my Chinese dictionary handy, and have forgotten much of my written Chinese, can you clarify?

Gracias

Don Jose de La Mancha

Yes. In pinyin it spells Qiaozhi.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

good morning, my new friend, I assumed that was so, but what does that signify?

Don Jose de La Mancha

[Aziz]

Look at, what James Randi says:

James Randi Speaks: Dowsing, the Ideomotor Effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuW...eature=related

James Randi the ADE651 aka Quadro Tracker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruTmq...eature=related

more on James Randi Channel on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/user/JamesRandiFoundation

BBC Newsnight: UK Bans Exports of "Bomb Detecting" Dowsing Rods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQMwXo1SSVo&feature=fvw

The fu.ck.ing bas.tards, who promote el-ar-el scams are promoting human violence and death.

Need somebody my full address to sue me? PM me you bas.tard.
Aziz

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

good morning, my new friend, I assumed that was so, but what does that signify?

Don Jose de La Mancha

It is simply my user name, in the same way as Don Jose de la Mancha is your's.
Although I do not understand what this has to do with the topic of this thread, which is "When Honesty and Truthness Hit Hard on Skepthic's Heads" (sic).
This should of course be "When Honesty and Truthfulness Hit Hard on Skeptics' Heads". But then we are well aware here that spelling and grammar are not amongst Hung's strengths.

On that note, we have yet to see the "honesty and truthfulness" mentioned in the title. Perhaps you can elucidate?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

[SIZE=2][COLOR=Red]"Since there are a rather good number of operating H3's in the US and a few other countries...but most are in the US...... and if the H3 DIDN'T DO what H3tec says it will do....WHERE ARE ALL THE LAW SUITES BY ACTUAL CERTIFIED OWNERS AND USERS OF THE H3...?

Your challenge is this... find the law suites from actual and licensed H3 owners who have filed against H3 for selling a fraudulent device... with so many H3's out there... there must be one person that was willing to put pride aside and file against H3tec for selling a fraudulent device...

Hung,

Have a heart, Christmas is approaching and we are very busy with preparations. Tell you what, since there have been so many units sold, assuming your claim is correct (that the device works), make it easy on us.

Since there must be so many satisfied customers compared to dissatisfied ones, why don't you find say .... five H3Tec users (not dealers or H3Tec employees) that have actually found gold or silver, in measurable quantity with the instrument, that are willing to come forward and relate their experience and share their evidence?

[Saturna]

Originally Posted by hung
WHERE ARE ALL THE LAW SUITS BY ACTUAL CERTIFIED OWNERS AND USERS OF THE H3...?

Your challenge is this... find the law suits from actual and licensed H3 owners who have filed against H3 for selling a fraudulent device... with so many H3's out there... there must be one person that was willing to put pride aside and file against H3tec for selling a fraudulent device...

There are no lawsuits for the same reason that religious books sell, but no one can prove they what the books espouse is true, yet the believers believe despite not receiving tangible results.

LRL/Dowsing is just another religion for some to believe in where the only criteria is faith - not results.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Saturna

There are no lawsuits for the same reason that religious books sell, but no one can prove they what the books espouse is true, yet the believers believe despite not receiving tangible results.

LRL/Dowsing is just another religion for some to believe in where the only criteria is faith - not results.

To quote Dan Hughes: "You don't argue with True Believers, be it in politics, religion, or pseudoscience. You just try to save the uninformed from being sucked into the vortex."

That's why we're here.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

good evening sat, your statement about books is only partly correct, shucks, I can even fInd some that actually praise randy, or even 'my' life style, heaven forbid..

What I 'am' interersted in is discussing the theories behind the possibility of whether an LRL can ever work, NOT whether any 0f the 'present' units work or not.

Discussing paternal indescretions is not what I wish to do.

Qaiozhi, you asked --> "what does my Chinese wrtiing and name have to do with LRL's??

Frankly, your answer to me, simple as it seems, indicates an important part of your character and psychology. I will not go beond that, it isn't necessary, so let's go...

Don Jose de La Mancha

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

...
What I 'am' interersted in is discussing the theories behind the possibility of whether an LRL can ever work, NOT whether any 0f the 'present' units work or not...

Don Jose de La Mancha

Hi Mr. Don,
This thread does not discuss whether an LRL can ever work. it is about whether one of the present units work or not.
This thread was started by hung to show his example of an honest and truthful person who says the H3tec works.

As we discovered, hung is posting false information again.
We see his example of an "honest and truthful" person is actually an H3Tec representative.

When we read how the California H3Tec rep is too poor to travel to the big upcoming H3Tec event, it begins to seem likely that an H3Tec rep might make false claims about an H3Tec.
For example: "I don't have the slightest doubt now the H3tec works. Don't even need to test one. I simply know".
If he can convince just one reader to buy a unit, then maybe his profit will finance his trip so he can attend the big H3Tec sales event.


We also see this H3Tec rep is saying he doesn't even need to test the H3Tec ... he simply knows.

What!!?
Maybe if my livlihood depended on selling H3Tec, I would "simply know" they work without testing them out too.
No... I don't think so.
I would test them out before I told other people whether they work or not.

What is so honest about H3Tec representative Jeff Haslett's statement that the H3Tec works, he simply knows without testing it?
Isn't this an admission that he is prejudiced to say the H3Tec works when he really doesn't know?

Maybe you made your poste in the wrong thread.
Your interest in discussing whether an LRL can ever work seems like a good topic for a new thread.

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

allo j_p: you posted -->Your interest in discussing whether an LRL can ever work seems like a good topic for a new thread.
*************
I read you 5 x 5 Wilco over.

Don Jose de La Mancha

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Alo again J_P, you posted -->When we read how the California H3Tec rep is too poor to travel to the big upcoming H3Tec event
**************
Shucks, I can't go the the next Explorers club presentation dinner and they only want
$ 1,000 Us per Member, sniff But I 'believe' in the recipients claims.

Incidentally, I once met a young computer genius that wanted to sell me a computer that he was cobbling out of parts from the trunk of his car, I believe his name was DELL. He now owns the present DELL computer co. But I noticed that he was sleeping in his car, not enough $$ for a room.

SO?????

Don Jose de La Mancha

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Alo again J_P, you posted -->When we read how the California H3Tec rep is too poor to travel to the big upcoming H3Tec event
**************
Shucks, I can't go the the next Explorers club presentation dinner and they only want
$ 1,000 Us per Member, sniff But I 'believe' in the recipients claims.

Incidentally, I once met a young computer genius that wanted to sell me a computer that he was cobbling out of parts from the trunk of his car, I believe his name was DELL. He now owns the present DELL computer co. But I noticed that he was sleeping in his car, not enough $$ for a room.

SO?????

Don Jose de La Mancha

Two non sequiturs in one post. This is getting interesting.

[Qiaozhi]

At the risk of repetition:

You don't argue with True Believers, be it in politics, religion, or pseudoscience. You just try to save the uninformed from being sucked into the vortex."

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Good morning: I am a bit surprised, both were obviously specifically applicable, however in the future I will definitely specify to which point I am addressing. I assumed incorrectly that it was obvious, my appol gentlemen.

A) was in answer to the suggestion that a new post on the possible theories would be a good idea. Unfortunately I used archaic military radio terms which were used when I was flying in WW-2.

I read you 5 x 5 - "I hear you loud and clear" on a scale of 5.

Wilco = "I understand and will comply".


B) Was in reference to the H3Tec rep not having enough money to attend the sales event. It was an example that while I am a duly elected, active member of the Explorers club a $1000 dinner was a bit steep for me.

www.explorers.org

So it could easily be for the rep. just as with DEll, while he had belief in himself, he wasn't actually doing more than barely making a living on a device that later proved to be a success.


Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. If you want To attend The dinner, let me know and I can send you as my proxy.

I exist to live , not live to exist.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Two non sequiturs in one post. This is getting interesting.

Oh...it get worse! Believe me.

They will spin-off about all of their great accomplishments (all non-verifiable of course) various jobs of importance, unbelievable discoveries (lost mines, lost city of Atlantis) and it NEVER stops! Add it all up, and they are over 250 years old

(Dell slept in his car....good grief)

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Good morning: I am a bit surprised, both were obviously specifically applicable, however in the future I will definitely specify to which point I am addressing. I assumed incorrectly that it was obvious, my appol gentlemen.

A) was in answer to the suggestion that a new post on the possible theories would be a good idea. Unfortunately I used archaic military radio terms which were used when I was flying in WW-2.
I read you 5 x 5 - "I hear you loud and clear" on a scale of 5.
Wilco = "I understand and will comply".

B) Was in reference to the H3Tec rep not having enough money to attend the sales event. It was an example that while I am a duly elected, active member of the Explorers club a $1000 dinner was a bit steep for me.
www.explorers.org
So it could easily be for the rep. just as with DEll, while he had belief in himself, he wasn't actually doing more than barely making a living on a device that later proved to be a success.

Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s. If you want To attend The dinner, let me know and I can send you as my proxy.

I exist to live , not live to exist.

Errr... It appears you did not read all the words in Rudy's post:

Originally Posted by Rudy

Two non sequiturs in one post...

This means one of your two posts contained two non sequiturs. It appears obvious that your post about the Explorers club and the owner of Dell Computers has little to do with the topic of honesty and truthfulness displayed by hung's example of an "honest and innocent" forum member who we later discovered is an H3Tec representative. This is when we uncovered what hung was concealing... how he was not honest in his representations, nor was the "honest and innocent" forum poster so honest and innocent. In fact this H3Tec rep admitted he is prejudiced to tell people the H3Tec works because he "just knows" it does without testing it.

Michael Dell does not compare to this prejudiced LRL salesman. The products that Dell sold were fully tested and found to work by most people who used them. They were not products that the manufacturers refused to submit to real testing done by independent test companies. They were not products that the manufacturers required their customers to sign confidentiality agreements before they could purchase. And they were not products that most people say do not work at all.
Further, it does not seem likely that Michael Dell was sleeping in his car or tried to sell you parts that he kept in his car. His income was more than his teachers when he was in high school, and when he began assembling computers for sale, he was a student in medical school. But maybe he did try to sell you a computer made from parts he kept in his car, and slept there too. Somehow, this does not seem relevant to an LRL salesman trying to get someone to buy a $10,000 electronic dowsing rod that most people say does not work so he can afford to drive to his company's big sales event to help sell more of them, or pretending he knows they work when he does not.

A $1000/plate dinner does not sound like the same as paying to drive to a non-working LRL company sales event either.
Nor does it have anything to do with H3Tec rep Jeff Haslett's honesty and innocence when he said:
"I don't have the slightest doubt now the H3tec works. Don't even need to test one. I simply know".

Thus we wasted another non sequitur post to explain what a non sequitur post is.
I did insert a few tidbits of the H3Tec comparison to try and keep it relevant.

Best wishes,
J_P