Oh Can't WE just Vote Qiaozhi OUT as Adimistrator

[Ernie]

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

[hung]

Hi Ernie,

I vote YES.

But since I don't waste time anymore with him and also since he's Carl ´phony reports' Moreland's advocate, I don't think there will be any change.
But you can start a poll and try to elect a new administrator.

Free elections now!

[Ernie]

I call for all members to vote. Stuff the prize money. We are all here to progress at our hobby and to make great friendship in doing so, and all i get for QIAOZHI is sarcasme and ridicule which i believe does not take any of us forward and so i propose to vote for a new Administrator. Sorry QIAOZHI but i think your administration teachiques are antiquated.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Ernie

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

You can only thanks to god, that I am not administrator.

You need first to fix your ground-balance and then post on forums.

[Ernie]

Originally Posted by WM6

You can only thanks to god, that I am not administrator.

You need first to fix your ground-balance and then post on forums.

How long have we all been stuffing around pressing keypads (making the phone companies rich) with Qiaozhi as adminnistrator? and getting nowhere with this LrL forum? All Qiaozhi is doing is sending us around and around in circles with his biasing.
I VOTE TIME FOR A CHANGE - QIAOZHI OUT! NEW ADIM IN!

[kt315]

Ernie, what your problem is in? has your girl left you off??

[Mike(Mont)]

I certainly don't agree with one word he has to say (actually I mean "parrot") about LRL's but at least he is somewhat polite. For that I would grade him a "B".

I do have to laugh when I read about how the skep's claim the LRL's have a range of inches. I think they are confused with metal detectors and they cannot even begin comprehend the abilities of the human sensing system. All energy radiates to infinity. Of course their motto is "If you can't measure it, it does not exist." For that I would grade him and every other skeptic an "F-". Only because there is no lower grade.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Ernie

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

As WM6 said, you should count yourself lucky that he (or a number of others) are not an administrator here. You would have been ejected months, or even years ago. Our tolerance for the nonsense you've posted here needs the patience of Job. Especially the pornographic jokes you posted recently, and which were very quickly removed. You even had the audacity to repost the same thing again after I had removed it. At the moment you're hanging on by a thread. Be warned.

[goldfinder]

Even though I don't always agree w/ Q that is his opinion. As for Ernie who doesn't produce or contribute anything, if he is dumping porno crap, I say remove him. Porn is destroying lots of people and marriages and is a very destructive element in our world.

I think Q is fine. If I had to agree with someone to have them as an associate I'd have zero friends and associates and no wife. We are all at various stages of understanding the universe. Harmony is the basic structure of the universe and it should be our modus operandi too in though word and deed !

I have tangled w/ lots of orthodox types wedded to the current physics and electronic paradigm and they have a valid point. At least most of their stuff works fairly well. I have degrees my self in science areas and I understand their mentality. That doesn't make them right 100%.

There is a huge amount of data and really good experimental evidence for alternative views. The reason most of the hardcore orthodox types won't accept it is their beliefs have become a religion with them.

If you want to put out a new science paradigm then it has to work. And the environment for it to work must be well defined.

So I vote to keep Q. If you don't agree w/ Q then ignore him.

Lets get on with developing a new science paradigm. I view some kind of LRL as a part of that.

Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

Lets get on with developing a new science paradigm. I view some kind of LRL as a part of that.

Thanks goldfinder.
It's not LRL experimentation that I'm against per se. As you've seen, I have supported others in their quest for an electronic LRL, even though I am hugely skeptical of any success.

The so-called LRLs that I have a problem with are the types with a swinging handle. These are clearly dowsing rods with some attached do-nothing electronics designed to fool the technically challenged. However, there are also some attempts at creating a non-swinging handle LRL which are also clearly bogus. One of these is the Bionic device, recently posted here by Hung. I think it is important to present the scientifically-based argument against these devices, especially as a number of people have lost huge sums of money in pursuit of a dream based on false claims. Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinion, and I would be the first to say that you need to make up your own mind, and not take the "facts" at face value. If this involves some expenditure in order to obtain your "LRL education", then so be it.

But (and this applies to Ernie in particular) do not post utter garbage about dowsing and other related activities (as if they are a proven fact) without expecting someone to make a comment. In particular, please try to post things that actually make sense, and do not read like the ravings of a madman. Remember ... if you make outrageous claims, then expect to be challenged.

And one last message to Ernie. You know the rules. If you are uncertain and need a refresher, then please read them again here -> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10529
If you don't like the rules, or you simply cannot stand anyone disagreeing with you, then why not start your own dowsing-friendly forum elsewhere? Then you can happily ban all the skeptics, and wallow in your own self ignorance.

[Geo]

Albeit with Qiaozhi i have different perceptions for lrl, he is quite cooperative when i asked for help in order to upload any video from my LRLs.
I want Qiaozhi as administrator.

[Mike(Mont)]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Thanks goldfinder.
It's not LRL experimentation that I'm against per se. As you've seen, I have supported others in their quest for an electronic LRL, even though I am hugely skeptical of any success.

The so-called LRLs that I have a problem with are the types with a swinging handle. These are clearly dowsing rods with some attached do-nothing electronics designed to fool the technically challenged. However, there are also some attempts at creating a non-swinging handle LRL which are also clearly bogus. One of these is the Bionic device, recently posted here by Hung. I think it is important to present the scientifically-based argument against these devices, especially as a number of people have lost huge sums of money in pursuit of a dream based on false claims. Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinion, and I would be the first to say that you need to make up your own mind, and not take the "facts" at face value. If this involves some expenditure in order to obtain your "LRL education", then so be it.

You just need to admit you can't understand anything about L-rods then you'll be making an accurate statement. I used to think you skep's were just playing dumb, but now I think you have been brainwashed by some failure/cop-out. Just a classic case of the blind leading the blind. debunkingskeptics.com

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

You just need to admit you can't understand anything about L-rods then you'll be making an accurate statement. I used to think you skep's were just playing dumb, but now I think you have been brainwashed by some failure/cop-out. Just a classic case of the blind leading the blind. debunkingskeptics.com

Instead of making abusive comments against individuals or skeptics in general, it would make a welcome change for you guys to contribute some technical material or observations, rather than posting supposed facts based on blind faith or years of indoctrination.

[Tim Williams]

I vote no also. Balance is needed on all topics.

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by Ernie

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

I have a hard time believing that something like this was actually posted!

Wanting to remove the Administrator from Forum that has for years given you a place to post your ideas your LRL stuff is simply amazing!!!!

Lots of luck finding another forum which will let you post like Carl and Qiaozhi have here.

Talk about biting the hand that is feeds you!

Jerry

[simonbaker]

I think we should not ridicule LRL developers even if we do not believe in the technology so long as they they do not ridicule conventional metal detector developers.

They should be welcome to have their discussions amongst themselves. If they all become rich from their finds that will be their proof. If they have fun, that is good enough too. If something they discuss sounds like real engineering/science, we might be able to benefit from it. If it sounds like pseudo-science, we can ignore it and let them discuss it to their hearts content.

I think what Qiaozhi and myself included are dismayed by are LRL marketers who appear to make unsubstantiated claims for the purpose of getting people's money -- i.e. ripping them off.

I suspect such people infect sites like this to create a belief system based on pseudo-science so that they can more convincingly sell and rip off people's money. Elaborate arguments with some scientific references can be quite believable to people who are not practiced in the scientific method. The nutrition industry employs similar techniques.

I have no problem with people espousing their beliefs or investigating these concepts, just don't do it corruptly for the purpose of swindling innocent people.

Unfortunately it is impossible to tell who is pure of heart and who is corrupt. Because of that, this website, which is mostly founded on scientific method, feels a duty to show some skepticism towards claims that might lead to some people being swindled out of money. It is more in the spirit of protecting LRL-oriented members, not harassing them.

However, I'm sure that many of us (myself included) who adhere to the scientific method do sometimes feel and express that LRL technology, as presented here so far, seems to be some kind of fantasy. I suggest we should restrain ourselves in the future so long as the LRL thread is not interfering with some non-LRL topic. If LRL builders are experimenting with electronics and physics, they rightly would like to take advantage of knowledge on this site. And LRL people should be careful not to interfere with discussions where people want to proceed using the scientific method, which requires much proof and demonstration of claims. Just common courtesy.

Now, I have nothing against free-for-all hot-tempered discussions as long as we create an area for that and everybody is warned that there will not be much courtesy there, so they can have fun flaming each other. But just keep it there. We could call it the Jackass thread or something.

So to all pure-of-heart LRL'ers, I apologize if I have been rude in the past. To corrupt ones trying to get money for false claims, I say begone!

-SB