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Old 01-02-2010, 11:36 AM
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Default Bionic 01 Video

One of these was used along with the FG80 by a friend and his partner to recover gold in a remote region in Brazil. He told me that tough the Bionic 01 had more range and was the first device to detect the target, it used to employ an old and awkward method of triangulation to determine the exact target's location, and for this reason the FG80 was the one device used to pinpoint it.
I believe the one featured in the video is the upgraded model featuring a laser as pinpointer and sensor directivity, something the earlier model did not have.

For those unfamiliar with this device, a ground and surface balance procedure signal input is required to be performed in order to set software and processor filtering.

Now I wonder, after watching videos of similar LRLs in action how many of you still feel like employing the insane method of sweeping a football stadium size field with a broom type standard MD toy?

You can watch the videos here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFytDiy-zPg

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Old 01-02-2010, 01:31 PM
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Now I wonder, after watching videos of similar LRLs in action how many of you still feel like employing the insane method of sweeping a football stadium size field with a broom type standard MD toy?
After viewing the video, I would much rather sweep a football stadium sized field with an 8" coil than the dot size of a laser beam. This gimmick would take days and days to accomplish that task.

Oh yeah, the Bionic still uses pseudoscience babble


This gold detector includes two individual searching systems:
  • Bio-energy system (bionic mode)
  • Ionization system (ionic mode)

The bio-energy system interacts with the bio energy of your own body during the localization of gold and silver objects to observe minimum changes of object substances. Thereby the gold detector Bionic 01 is able to locate almost all metallic objects whereas the ionization system is a method to measure the ions radiation (ions absorbance). Therefore a metal-ion reaction chamber is integrated in the Bionic 01.
The bio-energy system is able to locate also fresh buried or not buried objects no matter which age they are. The ionic system is mainly used to find buried artefacts.
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Old 01-02-2010, 01:59 PM
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After viewing the video, I would much rather sweep a football stadium sized field with an 8" coil than the dot size of a laser beam.
Hey dude, the laser is just the pinpointer modulated according to the reception frequency and not the detector itself.


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Oh yeah, the Bionic still uses pseudoscience babble
If you mean this term is used to explain some technical data beyond your own knowledge, I tend to agree.
But if you keep on learning from the LRL guys in TNET, you will pass this stage eventually.
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:39 PM
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Tell you what. I would like to see the calibration and then move the gold and see if the unit still picks it up. The reason I ask is it is possible that the unit has an internal 3 axis mag and is only triggering on the stored position.

So after you beep on the shelf with the gold ring move it to another place and see what the unit does.

By the way Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all here in geotech.
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:46 PM
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Tell you what. I would like to see the calibration and then move the gold and see if the unit still picks it up. The reason I ask is it is possible that the unit has an internal 3 axis mag and is only triggering on the stored position.

So after you beep on the shelf with the gold ring move it to another place and see what the unit does.

By the way Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all here in geotech.
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:57 PM
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I think the most amazing thing about the videos is how the guy manages to keep a straight face during the whole test.

This is just more pseudo-scientific gobbledygook. Complete rubbish.
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It was a Freudian slip. Yes, I know how you use the slight of hand--make people believe one thing when it's really just the opposite. You want people to think anyone who uses an LRL is "gullible" when in fact anyone who listens to you is the gullible one.
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Old 01-03-2010, 05:25 AM
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when in fact

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Not to demonstrable fact, as all others LRL phenomena, Mike.

But we all have right to working LRL. Where it is?
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:00 AM
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Default hi at hall and happy new ear

i have spoke at MARCO thi is the name of man in the video he said me that the test is only in the house because the weather is bad and the lrl is new and is the first time that he have. next time he will make other test ( in country) and put on youtube, in the test he move up and down because he said that the lrl work only up and down not left and right
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:33 AM
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There's no problem to move it sideways at all. But if he did, I imagine you would come up with another bazooki.
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i have spoke at MARCO thi is the name of man in the video he said me that the test is only in the house because the weather is bad and the lrl is new and is the first time that he have. next time he will make other test ( in country) and put on youtube, in the test he move up and down because he said that the lrl work only up and down not left and right
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:44 AM
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There's no problem to move it sideways at all. But if he did, I imagine you would come up with another bazooki.
"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

Originally posted by putrechigi
in the test he move up and down because he said that the lrl work only up and down not left and right

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Strike one!
Ummm....
so what is a bazooki?
Something from the secret bunker?

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Old 01-03-2010, 12:22 PM
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he said that the lrl work only up and down not left and right
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Hi Manolo.
Sorry, but your sentence in bold is wrong information. Either you misunderstood it or your friend misexpressed himself.
The Bionic 01 mode of searching is performed as an horizontal axis scan.
The early model did not feature the laser pinpointer and the target always had to be pinpointed by triangulation.
So this information is not correct.

Now, if the new model features a laser pinpointer that can be only used in the vertical axis, this simply does not make sense. Scanning the laser in both axis would be very simple by using a pentaprism for instance and it would just plain absurd having one axis limitation in the pinpointing after the device has detected a long distance target.

Imagine if this happened to the IR leds in the FG80...

I'll be in contact with one of the tech guys in OKM Germany and have him clarify this.

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Old 01-03-2010, 03:49 PM
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[quote = appeso; 103.739] Hi Manolo.
Ci dispiace, ma la tua frase in grassetto è l'informazione sbagliata. O si frainteso o il tuo amico misexpressed stesso.
The Bionic 01 modalitÃ* di ricerca è effettuata come un asse di scansione orizzontale.
Il modello iniziale non ha la funzione di pinpointer laser e il bersaglio doveva essere sempre individuato con una triangolazione.
Quindi questa informazione non è corretta.

Ora, se il nuovo modello dispone di un pinpointer laser che può essere utilizzato solo in verticale, questo semplicemente non ha senso. Scansione laser in entrambi gli assi sarebbe molto semplice utilizzando un pentaprisma, ad esempio, e sarebbe semplicemente assurdo che un asse di limitazione della individuazione dopo che il dispositivo ha rilevato un obiettivo a lunga distanza.

Immaginate se questo è accaduto per il led a infrarossi in FG80 ...

Sarò in contatto con uno dei ragazzi tech OKM in Germania e hanno lo chiarire questo punto.

Saluti. [/ Quote]
hello hung as you know I believe in lrl and I just said what I said to my friend Mark, 01 bionic 'a new lrl in Italy as soon as anyone has proven the poster' results, I also believe he can 'do errors since it has not done many tests
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Old 01-05-2010, 06:34 PM
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Hi Manolo.
Sorry, but your sentence in bold is wrong information. Either you misunderstood it or your friend misexpressed himself.
The Bionic 01 mode of searching is performed as an horizontal axis scan.
The early model did not feature the laser pinpointer and the target always had to be pinpointed by triangulation.
So this information is not correct.

Now, if the new model features a laser pinpointer that can be only used in the vertical axis, this simply does not make sense. Scanning the laser in both axis would be very simple by using a pentaprism for instance and it would just plain absurd having one axis limitation in the pinpointing after the device has detected a long distance target.

Imagine if this happened to the IR leds in the FG80...

I'll be in contact with one of the tech guys in OKM Germany and have him clarify this.

Regards.
Happy new year for all forum members

Hello Hung

Let me tell you that i visit OKM in Germany some years ago,when the LRL production center was near the feunf minuten strass (five minute stret).
After the OKM lrl field demonstration i come to the conclusion this products are not good. They fail completly,not found 1kg of silver objects (i buried 30 cm near the OKM factury), They said its becouse ground conditions...
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... in the test he move up and down because he said that the lrl work only up and down not left and right

manolo
Hi manolo,

please, tell to your friend that he has by thus claim acquired the right to stand for the best LRL joke this year.

What about rotary motion?
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[quote = WM6; 103.745] manolo Hi,

per favore, dite al vostro amico che ha acquisito dal quindi affermare il diritto di candidarsi per la battuta migliore LRL quest'anno.

A proposito di ciò che il movimento rotativo? [/ Quote]


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It was a Freudian slip. Yes, I know how you use the slight of hand--make people believe one thing when it's really just the opposite. You want people to think anyone who uses an LRL is "gullible" when in fact anyone who listens to you is the gullible one.
I guess you are trying to make a joke. Okay....

Otherwise, you must be seriously trying to gain the title of Poster Boy for Personified Paranoia for 2010.

Slight of hand??? Please elaborate... I think you are crediting me with talents I didn't even know I had.

Yes, gullible and technically-challenged are two terms that LRL scam artists rely very heavy on; in order to successfully market their wares. But then, as an up and coming LRL salesman, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
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