Action of the Earth in solenoids

[Esteban]

In a French book of Physics (translate to Spanish) by J. Langlebert, doctor in Medicine and professor of Nature Sciences and Physics, of 1911, you can found the action of the Earth in solenoids, page 394. This is, when you connect to the batteries a solenoid wich pivots in a receptacle with mercury (for to stablish well contact), the extremes "watch" one to North and other to South.

The pole wich "watch" to the North is called austral and the pole wich "watch" to the South is called boreal.

Ok, this acts as a compass.

Well, in the same way you can design a system wich can "watch" to desirable target...

I inform about this experiment to Alonso and he rapidly understand the theme. He design a LRL wich consist in a movable electrical pendulum with 5,000 ohms in coil and some other things inside. Once, was found a gold ring at 105 m distance and buried 50 cm depth, approximative. This is an example.

When you are near the target you put on a microvoltmeter based on the internal solenoid of the pendulum and you move the pendulum in the place. The exact point is confirmed when the pendulum move (with his coil, the sensor) a motor and the antenna...

The system also uses a 1,000 V, HV (inside pendulum).

So, is not impossible to build a "divining modern rod".

[hung]

Esteban,

One important factor also is that the metal buried acts as a voltage stream concentrator.

We have surveys that show around 10-¹² volts at location, but when metal is buried, this rises up to 1000000000 volts.
All voltage streams are redirected to the metal.

PS. My friend is being sucessful in replicating your ferrite circuit we discussed. He enhanced it even more, by implementing a spectrometer software program to the detector linked to his laptop.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

We have surveys that show around 10-¹² volts at location, but when metal is buried, this rises up to 1000000000 volts.
All voltage streams are redirected to the metal.

You are a comedian.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You are a comedian.

...in search for an audience.

Hung , i may be wrong of course, but i think there is just one zero too much.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Fred

...in search for an audience.

Hung , i may be wrong of course, but i think there is just one zero too much.

Yes Fred. You are correct. I made a mistake. There's one zero too much.

Also it's not volts, it's mho/m! 100,000,000 mho/m. That's what we found.
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. I begin to appear like Ozzy with the paper bag in his head above.

In fact, I remember that I came to know once of a scientific study conducted about the dowsing subject where a map of electric condutivity of the region/area where the test was performed was measured. With no metal buried, it was an average of 10-³ mho/m. These values were not enough to make the rods move as there was no significant changes in the electric condutivity.
But when a conductive metal was buried, some large gradient of electric condutivity was estabilished. The current moved towards the mean of higher condutivity. So for a metal of say 1 000 000 mho/m this provided more than 1 billion mho/m of difference, being sufficient to generate a DOP which made the rods move, aligning with the surface as a short in the 'conection'.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Yes Fred. You are correct. I made a mistake. There's one zero too much.

Also it's not volts, it's mho/m! 100,000,000 mho/m.

You need to be more careful when you cut and paste other people's words from the internet.
Perhaps your paper bag is blocking the view.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hung

Also it's not volts, it's mho/m! 100,000,000 mho/m. That's what we found.

What is mho/m ?
Do you mean Mohm/m ? (MΩ/m = 1.000.000.000 mΩ/m, i have found where all your zeros come from )
Was Kafka one of you parents?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

......
We have surveys that show around 10-¹² volts at location, but when metal is buried, this rises up to 1000000000 volts.
All voltage streams are redirected to the metal.
........

From 1 picoVolt to 1 TeraVolt ??? Ha Ha Ha

Hung, you have blown whatever credibility you had left.

[Mike(Mont)]

Your posts show your ignorance. You do not even understand what a dowsing rod is used for. When you sweep the rod past a target, the rod will act as if it hits a wall. This is the edge of the target's field. So the rod is used to sense the target field's "pressure". Of course something has to elevate this pressure and that could be a frequency transmitter, or the "eyebeam" of the dowser. Yes, some people might be able to sense this with a crowbar (what I call a 'thug" rod) but the finer the rod the more information the dowser can receive. It's sort of like the tin cans and string telephones.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Speaking of tests and testing commercial LRLs.... what's the latest progress, or news, of the RT Examiner test that you are supposed to be a witness to? Anything going on towards bringing that little episode to fruition?

Rangertell is working to find an alternate demonstrator, as his first choice of demonstrators did not respond to his request.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

A dowsing rod is simply the equivalent of an executive decision maker. When you're out with your trusty metal detector (you know, the one with some real electronics inside, and not the fantasy-land stuff) the problem is where to start searching. No problem, use an LRL or dowsing contraption to make the decision for you. Like the executive decision maker, it's only guesswork, but at least you've made a decision.

This is brilliant!
Of course.... I would never have thought of it!

When I go coin shooting, as soon as I park the car, the first thing I will do is take out the trusty LRL and see which direction it beeps. Then I will walk that direction with my metal detector and see what I find. If I find a coin a mile away, this indicates the LRL detected the coin from a mile range. Now I can join the LRL proponents and honestly say my LRL works.

Finally, someone gave precise instructions for how to make these LRLs work!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Rangertell is working to find an alternate demonstrator, as his first choice of demonstrators did not respond to his request.

Best wishes,
J_P

Good. Thanks for the update. I hope this doesn't fall into a crack; or a
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[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Your posts show your ignorance. You do not even understand what a dowsing rod is used for.

... show your Ignorance? I guess you'd be the resident expert in that area.

A dowsing rod is used when the operator wants to guess about the location of various lost or hidden objects --and doesn't want to just look in the supposed direction, so would rather follow the direction of a dowsing wand, which operates in response to their own ideomotor response.

Does that help you any, Mike?

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Your posts show your ignorance. You do not even understand what a dowsing rod is used for. When you sweep the rod past a target, the rod will act as if it hits a wall. This is the edge of the target's field. So the rod is used to sense the target field's "pressure". Of course something has to elevate this pressure and that could be a frequency transmitter, or the "eyebeam" of the dowser. Yes, some people might be able to sense this with a crowbar (what I call a 'thug" rod) but the finer the rod the more information the dowser can receive. It's sort of like the tin cans and string telephones.

Mike, show us some pics of your finds with your LRLs.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Mike, show us some pics of your finds with your LRLs.

"I am going outside and might be some time." - Mike Mont (or was that Captain Lawrence Oates?).

[Mike(Mont)]

My post above was supposed to be posted on the Ramka by Morgan thread. I was addressing the executive decision maker comment and the one by Morgan that the cheapest L-rod is the best.

I offer my knowledge for free to those who want to learn. In this case I wanted to dispel the misinformation that an L-rod is a gravity detector. I think some people here have a learning disability--a mental block fueled by prejudice and all sorts of negativity. Just like an alcoholic, they can't be helped until they admit they have a problem, until they see the light. Most never do. In the 1960's there was psychedelics and today there is Breathwork Techniques. Many people make an instant conversion.

Of course the easiest cop-out is to blame someone or something else for our own problems.

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

My post above was supposed to be posted on the Ramka by Morgan thread. I was addressing the executive decision maker comment and the one by Morgan that the cheapest L-rod is the best.

I offer my knowledge for free to those who want to learn. In this case I wanted to dispel the misinformation that an L-rod is a gravity detector. I think some people here have a learning disability--a mental block fueled by prejudice and all sorts of negativity. Just like an alcoholic, they can't be helped until they admit they have a problem, until they see the light. Most never do. In the 1960's there was psychedelics and today there is Breathwork Techniques. Many people make an instant conversion.

Of course the easiest cop-out is to blame someone or something else for our own problems.

No need to get overly defensive Mike, our learning disability amounts to looking for evidence that mechanical LRLs work and if they do under one conditions.
Our "problem" is there is no data or serious study if mechanical LRLs do what is claimed. I guess to be enlightened, we would all just go out and buy one without any idea of a success rate.
Doesn't that sound like a bad idea to you? If you shop for a car and ask the seller, does this car work and he says yeah but it may not work for you, or it only runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays, what would you think?
Does it work is the first question, what is the success rate and then what would follow is an investigation into how it works.
Prejudice and negativity has nothing to do with it, until someone can actually set-up some tests, there will always be a question about usefulness of LRLs since the early days all kind of wild claims have been made.
You see the product is what is being questioned here and if users of LRLs are following any kind of guidelines to ensure that these products are indeed useful.
All the jargon of terms associated with the LRLs use is not much good if the practicality of such a device is not first established.
Would you be willing to be involved in serious tests that will prove or disprove LRLs effectiveness?

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

No need to get overly defensive Mike, our learning disability amounts to looking for evidence that mechanical LRLs work and if they do under one conditions.
Our "problem" is there is no data or serious study if mechanical LRLs do what is claimed. I guess to be enlightened, we would all just go out and buy one without any idea of a success rate.
Doesn't that sound like a bad idea to you? If you shop for a car and ask the seller, does this car work and he says yeah but it may not work for you, or it only runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays, what would you think?
Does it work is the first question, what is the success rate and then what would follow is an investigation into how it works.
Prejudice and negativity has nothing to do with it, until someone can actually set-up some tests, there will always be a question about usefulness of LRLs since the early days all kind of wild claims have been made.
You see the product is what is being questioned here and if users of LRLs are following any kind of guidelines to ensure that these products are indeed useful.
All the jargon of terms associated with the LRLs use is not much good if the practicality of such a device is not first established.
Would you be willing to be involved in serious tests that will prove or disprove LRLs effectiveness?

Not sure if you know or not, but Mike is himself a "seller" of yet another dowsing wand. Since the price of his device is greater than 50 cents, this puts him in the category of an up and coming wallet-miner.

As such, I doubt very much Mike would be interested in becoming involved with a test that "might" disprove the effectiveness of his or any other LRL.

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Not sure if you know or not, but Mike is himself a "seller" of yet another dowsing wand. Since the price of his device is greater than 50 cents, this puts him in the category of an up and coming wallet-miner.

As such, I doubt very much Mike would be interested in becoming involved with a test that "might" disprove the effectiveness of his or any other LRL.

Hmmm, no I didn't know Mike is a seller.
Except for Hung, I don't see users that aren't selling them.
It seems to me if these contraptions really worked, there would be plenty of users showing pictures and showing how these units work....
Where there is smoke, there is fire, the only smoke here is what the LRL proponents are inhaling .

[Sean_Goddard]

[quote=Esteban;87023]In a French book of Physics (translate to Spanish) by J. Langlebert, doctor in Medicine and professor of Nature Sciences and Physics, of 1911, you can found the action of the Earth in solenoids, page 394. This is, when you connect to the batteries a solenoid wich pivots in a receptacle with mercury (for to stablish well contact), the extremes "watch" one to North and other to South.

The pole wich "watch" to the North is called austral and the pole wich "watch" to the South is called boreal.

Ok, this acts as a compass.

Well, in the same way you can design a system wich can "watch" to desirable target...


WHAT BULLS**T!!

Dude, the earth is quite a bit larger then any target you might find, and it may come as ashock to you but it has a thing called a M A G N T I C F I E L D this is due to the fact that it's core is a huge lump of molten IRON.

Now IF you built the machine you are proposing, then consider that the magnetic field of the target you are after, and YES a gold object WILL distort the magnetic field of the earth in it's immediate vacinity, but NOT in any amount that could possible be measured from 105 metres away, in fact, you are NOW into the realms of conventional metal detectors (something WE know a LOT about) and you, not so much so obviously. So your (again made up speudo explanation) about voltage concentration, whatever that is, is more manure than I've seen in a long time.

SPEAK FACTS, not this continous stream of childish drivel we all see.

I challenge YOU and all other LRL'ers MAKE something that works, then post the designs on here so we can ALL make one and agree (or otherwise) with you, but all I see so far in response to my last request for hard scietific theory are the sort of rambling I would expect from a four year old with a VERY active imagination. I might suggest you go back to school where thay can teach you a few REAL facts about physics and electromagnetism.

FACTS, FACT, DESIGNS and PROOF. You have non of ANY of these that I have seen so far. Sorry, but SHOW ME THE MONEY then we'll take you seriously, but FFS STOP with the fake science!!

[Theseus]

Oh, and just as an aside; When does the debunkering begin?

[Esteban]

[quote=Sean_Goddard;87319]

Originally Posted by Esteban

In a French book of Physics (translate to Spanish) by J. Langlebert, doctor in Medicine and professor of Nature Sciences and Physics, of 1911, you can found the action of the Earth in solenoids, page 394. This is, when you connect to the batteries a solenoid wich pivots in a receptacle with mercury (for to stablish well contact), the extremes "watch" one to North and other to South.

The pole wich "watch" to the North is called austral and the pole wich "watch" to the South is called boreal.

Ok, this acts as a compass.

Well, in the same way you can design a system wich can "watch" to desirable target...


WHAT BULLS**T!!

Dude, the earth is quite a bit larger then any target you might find, and it may come as ashock to you but it has a thing called a M A G N T I C F I E L D this is due to the fact that it's core is a huge lump of molten IRON.

Now IF you built the machine you are proposing, then consider that the magnetic field of the target you are after, and YES a gold object WILL distort the magnetic field of the earth in it's immediate vacinity, but NOT in any amount that could possible be measured from 105 metres away, in fact, you are NOW into the realms of conventional metal detectors (something WE know a LOT about) and you, not so much so obviously. So your (again made up speudo explanation) about voltage concentration, whatever that is, is more manure than I've seen in a long time.

SPEAK FACTS, not this continous stream of childish drivel we all see.

I challenge YOU and all other LRL'ers MAKE something that works, then post the designs on here so we can ALL make one and agree (or otherwise) with you, but all I see so far in response to my last request for hard scietific theory are the sort of rambling I would expect from a four year old with a VERY active imagination. I might suggest you go back to school where thay can teach you a few REAL facts about physics and electromagnetism.

FACTS, FACT, DESIGNS and PROOF. You have non of ANY of these that I have seen so far. Sorry, but SHOW ME THE MONEY then we'll take you seriously, but FFS STOP with the fake science!!

How you're very sure if you have not infos about it. I can't post details how occurs this and what is the procedure used for to show this gold at distance.

Why you speak about real science if science have not investigations in this field?

Why you and other are part of the "Holy Inquisition"? Eh?

Your prejudices and attitude are enough motives for to be more obscured each day.

I try to be serious all the time, but persons as you and others converts this forum in your mockery scenario. Sorry for all you!

The fact is: you can't opinate about it regarding your zero experience and zero real experiment in the field and in this matter. So, if you and others are zero in this matter, then the only non-serious are you.

Esteban

[Sean_Goddard]

Estaban, I have a LOT more scientific and electronics engineering experience than you might think, but I am NOT here to criticise your claims.

GIVE US schematics that WE can MAKE ourselves, I for one REALLY want to try an LRL and see if you are right, but every time I ask for such drawings, NOTHING comes back, only more made up science and bulls**t.

I am not stupid or hullible enough to go buy a RangerTell or the like, but I would happily build something YOU posted, and will repond with an unbiased and honest report of my findings. If your unit works, then I will say so, if not then I will say that.

You are being defensive for all the wrong reasons. PROVE what you have works and I will support your theories, but until then, these made up terms and theories you, and others, keep spouting give the rest of us VERY sound reasons to doubt your credibility and indeed that your education extends beyond only the most basic levels (sorry, but that's how it appears).

Example:

"I am the richest man on earth"! You ONLY have my word for that, but if I prove it to you by turning up outside your house with my 100 custom designed private helicopter fleet and take you to my privately owned full size replica of the battleship Bismarck with 2500 crew on board, then we go to my private island in the Bahamas (the one I bought from Fidel) then I have PROVED to you I am rich.

Do you understand WHAT "we" are asking of you LRL guys or shall I make it even MORE simple?

[Esteban]

If all I post is product of VERY active imagination, then the scriptwriters of Hollywood have not imagination.

[Sean_Goddard]

Indeed they do, but where are these schematics please?