Dogs and MFD's

[Mike(Mont)]

What allows a dog to detect an MFD signal line? One person told me his dog would go right to the target the instant he turned on the transmitter. Another said his dog would lie down on the signal line. I started thinking maybe there is something to this. I have read that dogs lie down in areas of "good energy" (cats are just the opposite). I don't know if this has anything to do with it. Typically most people get an uncomfortable feeling when they are on the line. This might be the reason some people claim they can't locate the line--they subconsciously avoid it like cats do.

Both these people say there is absolutely no question their dog picks up the signal. One said it was humorous how the dog acted. It would sometimes get a confused look on it's face when standing near the line, like it couldn't decide for sure before finding it. Then the dog would lie down with it's head right on the line and give the look that this is the line. I tried to find out how the dog was trained, but all I got was that the owner praised the dog and took it for a walk as a reward after success. I never got back to the other guy. I have jokingly suggested to wrap a treat in gold foil and use it for a target. I suspect most dogs are too smart for this trick, but it might be worth a try.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

What allows a dog to detect an MFD signal line? One person told me his dog would go right to the target the instant he turned on the transmitter. Another said his dog would lie down on the signal line. I started thinking maybe there is something to this. I have read that dogs lie down in areas of "good energy" (cats are just the opposite). I don't know if this has anything to do with it. Typically most people get an uncomfortable feeling when they are on the line. This might be the reason some people claim they can't locate the line--they subconsciously avoid it like cats do.

Both these people say there is absolutely no question their dog picks up the signal. One said it was humorous how the dog acted. It would sometimes get a confused look on it's face when standing near the line, like it couldn't decide for sure before finding it. Then the dog would lie down with it's head right on the line and give the look that this is the line. I tried to find out how the dog was trained, but all I got was that the owner praised the dog and took it for a walk as a reward after success. I never got back to the other guy. I have jokingly suggested to wrap a treat in gold foil and use it for a target. I suspect most dogs are too smart for this trick, but it might be worth a try.

So... do you feel more like a cat or a dog ?

[Theseus]

My, my, my... a signal line hunting/finding dog. What next?

Do you suppose the dog has to have an empty stomach before it will work?

This guy obviously has toooooooo much time on his hands.

Mike, have you ever stopped to consider how much money you could've made just getting a legitimate job, instead of chasing pipe dreams all day with a bent wire?

[Mike(Mont)]

I figured you wouldn't believe it. That's one of the reasons you have trouble with this subject. Doubts and fears are an impassable obstacle for you. I admit the one guy said his dog would dig up the cache and one might attribute this to the dog smelling the spot. But the other guy said the dog laid down on the signal line there is nothing to trace it back to other than the signal line itself. The guy said the dog was more accurate than he was. I don't know, maybe the dog sensed the owner's aura or something, sort of a biological GSR device. One time he said he searched for twenty minutes and the dog laid down on the same spot the whole time. He eventually "took the dog's word for it" and sure enough it was right on the line.

[Mike(Mont)]

Yes, I've spent many hours messing with the locators and I can't imagine my life without them. I've learned a lot and love to share my thoughts on the subject. You, on the other hand, haven't learned a thing. You convinced yourself they don't work and there is nothing left for you to learn.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if you did hook up a GSR unit to the dog.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Yes, I've spent many hours messing with the locators and I can't imagine my life without them. I've learned a lot and love to share my thoughts on the subject.

On the contrary, you have learned nothing. Instead, you have fallen hook, line and sinker for the pseudo-scientific claptrap bandied about by the purveyors of dowsing and LRL nonsense.
I guess your mindset is now completely closed to any rational explanations for your subjective experiences.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I figured you wouldn't believe it. That's one of the reasons you have trouble with this subject. Doubts and fears are an impassable obstacle for you.

Trouble with this subject? Doubts? Fears? I have no idea what you have reference to. I understand this subject perfectly. It's just a wild guess, but based on your postings, I'd say you are the one whose life contains a lot of doubts, fears, low self-esteem and a large helping of paranoia.

Are you and your dogs like Silvia Brown? A clairvoyant over the Internet?

By the way, did you ever dig down to see what a signal line looks like? What do you suppose it looks like? Is it electrical in nature, or would it be more like a physical piece of thread that is composed of little ions, all lined up in a row?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I have jokingly suggested to wrap a treat in gold foil and use it for a target.

I can´t help thinking of far future treasure hunters wondering about uses of ancient civilisations wrapping bones in gold foils...

[Mike(Mont)]

Fear and doubt are a dowser's worst enemy. They both originate inside the person. I read somewhere that the negative emotions are ten times more powerful than positive emotions. I'm not sure about that, but they certainly cancel out anything positive. If you have doubts about what I say you don't have a chance with dowsing. There are many fears that stop a would-be dowser dead in their tracks. One is peer pressure, what would your friends say? You ridicule others and you don't want anyone doing it to you. Other fears include what you have been programmed to believe. Maybe there is a curse? or God will punish you, or whatever.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

If you have doubts about what I say you don't have a chance with dowsing.

Theseus is correct in his analysis. You have learned nothing from visiting this forum, and probably never will.

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Maybe there is a curse? or God will punish you, or whatever.

I'm wetting myself with fear!!

[Theseus]

Yeah, right... Mike. God is going to punish me for being skeptical of, and fully understanding the art and practice of dowsing.

Where do you come up with this crap? (rhetorical)

Since you talk so much about fear and doubt, I rather imagine you are speaking from first-hand experience.

Did you ever consider that maybe you've read one or two books too many? From the way you carry on about this topic; I'd say you could benefit from a little psychological counseling.

Why don't you read a little about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. You might recognize yourself as the poster boy for OCD.

[joecoin]

Mike,

What kind of dog was it?

[Mike(Mont)]

I know but I do not feel I should say. Two different breeds, so probably any smart dog could learn. Chow Chows probably aren't smart enough, at least that is my experience. Someone once told me dogs with a lump on the top of their head means they are intelligent, bigger lump, more intelligent. Some people just have a subconscious link with animals.

[Mike(Mont)]

If the people don't post the info then I assume they don't want me to post it. From what I gather, it has more to do with the relationship between the owner and the dog--the dog tries to please the owner, but I don't really know because I can't seem to train animals any better than I can train a skeptic. I've read training manuals and all I remember is the owner needs to be trained and never kow-tow to a Chow Chow.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

If the people don't post the info then I assume they don't want me to post it. From what I gather, it has more to do with the relationship between the owner and the dog--the dog tries to please the owner, but I don't really know because I can't seem to train animals any better than I can train a skeptic. I've read training manuals and all I remember is the owner needs to be trained and never kow-tow to a Chow Chow.

But still we don't know if you feel more like a cat or a dog !?

But... I know... all dowsers and entusiast LRL guys never answer the interesting questions!

Kinda of a virus !

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Max

But... I know... all dowsers and entusiast LRL guys never answer the interesting questions!

Kinda of a virus !

You've got that right, Max, I have never seen so much ducking and dodging when simple questions are asked.

Regards,
Steve

[Mike(Mont)]

One other possibility is that the dogs might be hearing the signal line. One guy said he happened to point his L-rod at his dog's ear and he saw the ear twitch (the dog was looking the other direction). I know the human aura has sound...

[Mike(Mont)]

I read that dogs are affected by magnetic fields. Tests were done where they reversed the polarity to their brain and the dogs went unconscious. I don't know exactly how this relates to the MFD signal line, but it sounds to me like there is something there. Some animals can be taught to be sensitive to magnetic fields. I got this out of a book by Victor Beasley "Your Electro-Vibratory Body".

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I read that dogs are affected by magnetic fields. Tests were done where they reversed the polarity to their brain and the dogs went unconscious. I don't know exactly how this relates to the MFD signal line, but it sounds to me like there is something there. Some animals can be taught to be sensitive to magnetic fields. I got this out of a book by Victor Beasley "Your Electro-Vibratory Body".

And I suppose you have the whole six volume set of "The Supersensitive Life of Man"? Now we know where all this stuff is coming from. At Powells Books, this book is listed in the Parapsychology section with Uri Geller, ghosts, hauntings, poltergeists, pendulums, dowsing and pyramid power.

This is the sort of nonsense that Mike has been reading: "Healing in its essence is a spiritual-soul impulse operating in the worlds of matter, for in the ultimate sense, the patient, not the physician, heals himself through contact with the higher forces of his own cosmic-governed consciousness, whether or not he is aware that such contact has been made."

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

And I suppose you have the whole six volume set of "The Supersensitive Life of Man"? Now we know where all this stuff is coming from. At Powells Books, this book is listed in the Parapsychology section with Uri Geller, ghosts, hauntings, poltergeists, pendulums, dowsing and pyramid power.

This is the sort of nonsense that Mike has been reading: "Healing in its essence is a spiritual-soul impulse operating in the worlds of matter, for in the ultimate sense, the patient, not the physician, heals himself through contact with the higher forces of his own cosmic-governed consciousness, whether or not he is aware that such contact has been made."

Mike fell for the Christopher Hills garbage hook, line and sinker. Can't tell you how many quotes he's entered from the Hills gobbly-gook. Mike turned another LRL forum into nothing more than a repository for his book reports. I doubt that will happen here, but.... he's working on it.

[Mike(Mont)]

You seem to have a conflict between your self image and your true image. You just can't stand to admit you might be wrong. In the 12 years I have been on the forums I can't recall when you admitted you were wrong. There might have been one time but even that I think you refused to admit it. Prostitue the intellect to defend the ego. That's one of the many reasons you "can't dowse any better than random chance". I guess that's why you hide behind the alias'.

I know you are a perfectionist. I said years ago this is a bad way to be. With your bitter attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you, you can never be happy until you change. Growth and change are what keeps you moving in the right direction. You don't get that without an open mind. You don't get change until you are sick and tired of the way you are.

You criticize me for reading books yet you praise yourself and Carl for the same thing. You can't have it both ways. Besides, books are only a start. Every teacher knows this. If you don't back it up with experience, the knowledge is worthless.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

You seem to have a conflict between your self image and your true image. You just can't stand to admit you might be wrong. In the 12 years I have been on the forums I can't recall when you admitted you were wrong. There might have been one time but even that I think you refused to admit it. Prostitue the intellect to defend the ego. That's one of the many reasons you "can't dowse any better than random chance". I guess that's why you hide behind the alias'.

I know you are a perfectionist. I said years ago this is a bad way to be. With your bitter attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you, you can never be happy until you change. Growth and change are what keeps you moving in the right direction. You don't get that without an open mind. You don't get change until you are sick and tired of the way you are.

You criticize me for reading books yet you praise yourself and Carl for the same thing. You can't have it both ways. Besides, books are only a start. Every teacher knows this. If you don't back it up with experience, the knowledge is worthless.

I have not a single clue what you are rambling on and on about. Apparently, some other adversary in your past has left an indelible scar on your psyche and you are taking out on those who post on this forum. If it makes you feel better, have fun. Try to remember most of these forums are archived, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find them and read them.

[Mike(Mont)]

People who rely on their intellect are just crippled when it comes to dowsing. If you question the rod, it's like the story in the Bible where the woman looks back as they are escaping and she turns to a pillar of salt. That's what that story is about, the skeptic mind trying to control things that are not for them to control.

Same with MFD, some people say it's only dowsing. Well, it is dowsing to an extent, the person still has to sense the signal line, but they don't have to do the discrimination. You do have to be able to use the rods. I can't count how many times I have tried to reason it. It can't be here, I don't believe it. That's the intellect trying to control things.

[Mike(Mont)]

I just did a web search on this story of Lot's wife. Some religions have a much different rendition of it and that was not my intent.

[Mike(Mont)]

Here's more proof

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,181746.0.html