reply to criticism on geophysics thread

[hipopp]

Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work...i could have got my money back but no way am i parting with my rangertell complete with hewlett packard mathematicians calculator "stuck" on top. I am a retired former technician/technical officer and i just happen to know about these things OK? I got it working for me after considerable messing about with it like resetting the aerial after each button change , had to work out everything myself pretty much cos they did not send me the CD with it till much later. Worked off their user guide onsite and spent hours and hours in a proper technical assessment of the thing. I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters. Fact! final! No error! My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product. Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot. Much quicker. But mates I can find a mineralised patch at distance and know what ground to avoid. You guys have to do the hard yards and trudge every square inch of soil to detect thereby wasting 99% of your time. You can argue with Ranger all you like about their productsbut mine WORKS!!!!!! I was sincere enough to leave you my contact details for anyone sincere in thier enquiries regarding its effectiveness as a gold detector. But do not bother thanks, I hate prejudice. A test of a product found wanting by the products opposition, you kidding me right? By the way I live in Patten ST Sale Victoria and am not associated with Rangertell in any way. Cheers....

[hung]

Hi Hipopp,

That the RT unit works, this is no surprise. If you look here in this forum, several months ago I wrote a report about the AC and even DC variations it produced when locating a target.
Of course Carl's 'parafernalia' started some years ago, a temptative to discredit it pretending that electronically it would do nothing.
As you know, it only requires a pair of neurons to prove the opposite. Since then his followers abounded just like some 'school of thought' in the past who ruled the earth was flat.

The RT works, but it's a rudimentary aproach to comunicate with target. Today, with the advent of modern electronics, a much more advanced system can be assembled.

Take care.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hipopp

Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work.......

Hi,
why did you start a new thread instead of to continue the other one?

Originally Posted by hung

Hi Hipopp,
The RT works, but it's a rudimentary aproach to comunicate with target. Today, with the advent of modern electronics, a much more advanced system can be assembled.Take care.

"...available soon at a special price" , right ?


Fred.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Fred

"...available soon at a special price" , right ?


Fred.

Sorry to disapoint you Fred, but I will reiterate again. The devices I use for TH WILL NEVER be sold remaining of my team's exclusive use and the Technology involved WILL NEVER be discussed here anytime. I'm not dealer of no LRL.

My advice for you is to do just like I did. Research, study and you will understand.
Regards.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hipopp

Listen up guys!

I'm listening; you voiced your opinion, now I'll voice mine. Seems fair doesn't it?

I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters.

I'm sure you can "pick up" your test nugget. However, unless that nugget was hidden according to strict Double-Blind Test Protocol, and the test was repeated a significant number of times, the results of such a test are really useless and prove nothing as to value/worth of your R-T dowsing rod.

My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product.

The mere fact that your R-T dowsing wand still has a calculator glued to the top of a swivel handle, indicates that Vincent Blanes is still using the advertising ploy that plugging numbers into the calculator is somehow influencing the sensitivity and/or discrimination "powers" of the dowsing rod. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing!

The ONLY thing that plugging those numbers in could be doing; is to mentally program the dowsers mind into believing the dowsing rod is now programmed to only pick up certain items, or at certain distances. Strictly a mental exercise, and nothing more.

Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot.

Of course Vincent would recommend the use of a metal detector. Vincent knows that if his dowsing rod points in a certain direction, you will then take your metal detector and start searching in EVER INCREASING diameter circles until BINGO! you eventually dig something up that might resemble what it was you were searching to find.

Several other LRL scam artists have recommended the use of a metal detector, for exactly the same reasons. They know that whenever an LRL contraption is melded with a metal detector, the operator will never know if what they found was as a result of the LRL, or the metal detector. But in all cases, the operator will want to believe that the LRL contraption was responsible for the find. It is a very old marketing trick and has been in use for decades now. Vincent merely borrowed the trick from other more established wallet-miners.

If you are really interested in determining the worth of your new R-T dowsing wand, test it against a bent piece of wire. Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

But then, the coat hanger didn't cost a boat load of money!

Good Luck and Best Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I'm not dealer of no LRL.

Your English has declined - that's a double-negative. If you're not a dealer of no LRL, then you must be an LRL dealer. You said it , not me!
I wonder which one of your schizophrenic personalities I talking to?

Originally Posted by Theseus

I'm listening; you voiced your opinion, now I'll voice mine. Seems fair doesn't it?

I'm sure you can "pick up" your test nugget. However, unless that nugget was hidden according to strict Double-Blind Test Protocol, and the test was repeated a significant number of times, the results of such a test are really useless and prove nothing as to value/worth of your R-T dowsing rod.

The mere fact that your R-T dowsing wand still has a calculator glued to the top of a swivel handle, indicates that Vincent Blanes is still using the advertising ploy that plugging numbers into the calculator is somehow influencing the sensitivity and/or discrimination "powers" of the dowsing rod. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing!

The ONLY thing that plugging those numbers in could be doing; is to mentally program the dowsers mind into believing the dowsing rod is now programmed to only pick up certain items, or at certain distances. Strictly a mental exercise, and nothing more.

Of course Vincent would recommend the use of a metal detector. Vincent knows that if his dowsing rod points in a certain direction, you will then take your metal detector and start searching in EVER INCREASING diameter circles until BINGO! you eventually dig something up that might resemble what it was you were searching to find.

Several other LRL scam artists have recommended the use of a metal detector, for exactly the same reasons. They know that whenever an LRL contraption is melded with a metal detector, the operator will never know if what they found was as a result of the LRL, or the metal detector. But in all cases, the operator will want to believe that the LRL contraption was responsible for the find. It is a very old marketing trick and has been in use for decades now. Vincent merely borrowed the trick from other more established wallet-miners.

If you are really interested in determining the worth of your new R-T dowsing wand, test it against a bent piece of wire. Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

But then, the coat hanger didn't cost a boat load of money!

Good Luck and Best Regards

I couldn't agree more ... well said.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

Mmmmmm... probably.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

Didn't you mean: "Will fail to find treasure as well as an LRL."?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Didn't you mean: "Will fail to find treasure as well as an LRL."?

If we consider that a LRL don´t find treasure at all , it does not matter: the sense remains the same

[Clondike Clad]

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

Wow.... what a fresbee !

62+ cm diameter... and what about weight ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Max

Wow.... what a fresbee !

62+ cm diameter... and what about weight ???

Kind regards,
Max

It's the "Big Daddy" of the deep searching loops. This gigantic loop was designed for use by Cache and Relic Hunters working in low mineral soils. The 25" Magnum Force loop sacrifices small target sensitivity for increased depth, and is best suited for finding targets of coffee can size or larger (definitely not a nugget hunting coil!). However, on large targets in low mineral soil it will achieve depths up to 3 to 5 feet depending on the size of the target. This loop is a favorite among Relic Hunters. Accurate discrimination is also lost and the 25" loop should only be used in the "all metal" mode following the instructions enclosed with it. Because of its size it is also heavier than other coils, so for ease of operation, an Arm Support System is included with purchase of the 25" loop. This coil is for the big stuff not for one coins.
Anyone can find metal with this coil on my XLPRO.

[UWLocator]

I decided a long time ago that the price paid for LRL devices has little to do with the cost associated with the device itself.

Customers are paying for the mental conditioning required. They have to be trained to determine which of the required conditions were not met when they attempted to use the device.

Education is expensive.

Rip

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

That sounds a real beast!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth...

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth...

Regards

Esteban

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Loosing you nerve ?? I did too before, with you...
I like Esteban´s experiments.
Fred.

[hipopp]

thank you for the rational reply Hung. I will be the first to admit the ranger has its shortcomings but so has a conventional detector. But i spent all day in 100 degree heat pounding a goldfield with the latest minelab only to dig up a 100 targets which turned out to be nails bullets brass buttons and all sorts of other trash. Totally exhausted and my friend faye does not ever want to go out again. You call that fossicking? not me. I bought the ranger because it was going to allow me to zoom in to a patch of mineralised ground from a distance. Here in australia our outback is so vast that virgin territory still exists. The ranger will allow me to drive and cover say 150 miles a day while detecting the country to the sides of the road up to a few miles either side. Could not ask for anything more than that. I give up with the guys here they are so ultra conservative makes yer sick. After trying the ranger in a magnetic field for you it stopped working properly and i let it rest overnight. Is OK now this morning. Degaussed. But you know what ? the more i mess about with it the more i learn. While picking up my nugget on the floor again here i set it to minimum distance to just pick it up at 6 feet. BUT BUT BUT it still picked up Faye and all her gold jewellry sitting on a chair practising guitar. Messed about more with it and found....that....if you adust to pick up a minimal target distancewise a much larger target will override the distance setting...extremely valuable in the field to tune out trash and false signals. What got me annoyed with the ranger when i bought it was the amount of self discipline needed to learn to use it for your own body. I think most on this site would not be prepared to go to the lengths to try to understand it. Bit more than flicking a switch. Will let you know the results of a field trip i am doing next week. regards....p.s what other technology is available???

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Not only the coil, this is a way. Another RF sensor is necessary and a few more. But, of course, you, for experience, know that can't be possible. As I use simple oscillator type off-resonance as some meters MD, so I think this White's coil and circuit are betters!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too:
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

If you can send a rocket to Moon at 384,000 km, don't understand why is impossible to pick up a coin (buried for some years) at 7 or 10 meters and at depth 30-40 cm... The problem is: science don't put effort in this. Other think is pick up small nugget at X meters with this, but a solid coin, for example, is different and don't know why round objects are better detectable, maybe because round forms "mantain" the "charg

Scientists have navigated to the moon, but their real expertise is seen by few people in many areas that are not so visible to the public. Consider the MMI corporation, that finds enormous deposits of ore up to 5000 feet below the surface of the ground. They are virually unknown outside of the mining communiy. And there are many other scientific specialties that are hidden from the eyes of the general public.

The scientists who figure out how to navigate to the moon, and how to find ore deposits 5000 feet below the surface are brilliant engineers that devote their time to cutting edge technology. They work with the most advanced methods to improve the current state of the art technology. So why don't these scientists put effort into improving LRLs?

Could it be because they are rolling on the floor with laughter at the very thought that a BFO can locate buried treasure? Do you suppose they consider LRLs a waste of time the same as Carl-NC does?

Think about it... If a NASA scientist were to believe that an LRL could work, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he would build one for a hobby in hopes of finding fabulous wealth so he could quit his job and retire? I think he would do this if he believed there is a chance.

But what do we see?
No scientist has ever made any post stating he has become wealthy from using or from improving an LRL ever. When a scientist walks away from what he considers a bogus idea, then how can we non-scientists presume to know better? Where are the huge unbelievably fabuosly treasures that have been recovered from LRLs? (not the fake stories from the past with low res photos, but eye-witness accounts of an LRL finding treasure)?

Do you suppose these accounts of LRLs finding treasure in front of eye witnesses don't exist? Have you wondered why nobody on earth is willing to demonstrate an LRL recovering treasure? It couldn't be because these LRLs can't find treasure, could it?

Is it any wonder why a scientist will not give the time of day to devote to promoting LRL treasure machines?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Think about it... If a NASA scientist were to believe that an LRL could work, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he would build one for a hobby in hopes of finding fabulous wealth so he could quit his job and retire? I think he would do this if he believed there is a chance.

But what do we see?
No scientist has ever made any post stating he has become wealthy from using or from improving an LRL ever. When a scientist walks away from what he considers a bogus idea, then how can we non-scientists presume to know better? Where are the huge unbelievably fabuosly treasures that have been recovered from LRLs? (not the fake stories from the past with low res photos, but eye-witness accounts of an LRL finding treasure)?

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??

Is it any wonder why a scientist will not give the time of day to devote to promoting LRL treasure machines?

Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?

Have a nice day.

[Esteban]

Hung, J_P, all

Whe're walking on earth, so we need a cheap method just for found treasures, not mapping, this is out of my/our expectations. NASA has (and need) aerial or spacial mapping method, this is, into his method of searching.

Treasure searching is more for hobbyist, maybe not interesting for mining companies, USA government, etc. Except shipwreck treasures, searching for real companies dedicated for recovery big treasures in the sea, also is out of my expectations.

Desert salt in Bolivia today is of interest causes the most source of lithium in the world, and is one of the most viewable site from space. An astronaut said that it differs very well because the salt desert shines as a great light source.

The persons who do not have money for to buy a very expensive detector, be must experiment and search with his domestic, but effective methods, of search and this is cheaper to be constructed an electronic LRL.

One constructs these devices knowing that behind a treasure hides some phenomenon that makes it detectable for domestic methods, as for example type magnetic absorption.


Regards

Esteban

[joecoin]

Originally Posted by hung

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???

If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it? You are the James Bond of Bolivia, aren't you Hung? How exciting!

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??

USA is always involved in wars because other countries are very jealous and want to kill the people in the USA. So the USA should just let it happen?




Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?

Why not?

Have a nice day.

You have a nice day also.