A message from iconos-md

[iconos-md]

Greetings to all members of the forum

After reading the opinions that your members publish on this forum, about our products , we observed that there is a tendency from certain members, to
connect our detectors with the products of the company Mineoro.
For this reason we have been were forced to defend ourselves and to inform all the members of the forum, in order to make sure that there will be no
other problems or misunderstandings or impressions in the future, concerning our products and the iconos-md company to those interested in Long
range metal detectors.
And we begin by saying a few words about the operating principle of our iconos-md Long range Gold detector and also for the future products which will
be introduced to the worldwide market by our company.
In this sector we are compelled to give ONLY in general lines, for confidential reasons certain information about our revolutionary Gold sensor system
which has been implemented into our Long range metal detectors. Therefore as you may understand it is not possible for us to give out complete
information and theory of operation regarding the sensor, having been the result of many years of effort and research ,just to convince some skeptics
who also are professional or amateur electronics engineers and who love to reverse engineer everything they see.
We are forced to protect our invention by this way because if we dont the result will be the publishing of all our efforts in a worldwide scale. We believe
that research is a personal effort, and no one will give away his discoveries without a certain personal profit.
If we remove the majority of members in this forum who are purely amateur enthusiasts and hobbyists, there also exist professionals who are trying to
acquire information for commercial exploitation.
We on our part, cannot know who these people are that fall into this category, and we also have no way of knowing who the true amateurs are in the
immense woldwide web ,where everyone uses a false name, and only a limited number of them use their real name.
For these reasons we are forced to limit the information on the operating theory of our system, which is our intellectual property and we will not allow
any free exploitation of this information from anyone.
Consequently the general operating theory that we have in our site, is for our judgement, sufficient for anyone interested to acquire this detector.What
someone really wants is to have a working detector that will give him the results that he is asking for, and we on our part keep the know how
confidential and protected.
We believe that our position on this matter is sincere. It is irrelevant for us if you do not want to admit it but it must be respected.
Another matter that has resulted is that certain members of this forum deliberately disrepute us purposely through their publications. Here we want to
clarify that our first orders are due to be delivered by the end of August. How is it possible that certain persons judge and compare and they discredit a
detector that they do not have, and have never used, but also have not even seen yet? This is a negative situation for our interests, which will allow us
at any moment that we judge right to press legal charges against anyone who purposely wants to disrepute our name via the internet or any other
means.
There is an effort to connect our devices with other manufacturers like Mineoro. Whatever opinion anyone has for the Mineoro detectors does not
concern us and is his own private matter. But we are concerned when people try to connect us with Mineoro and they try to link us with them about the
method of detection and operating principles of the iconos-md Detectors. We do not know the theory of operation of the Mineoro detectors and even if
we knew, it does not allow us to take a stand, but we certainly know ours and we can say that they have many differences between them.
A fact that we can publish is that our detector uses a microwave aerial in combination with a specially manufactured revolutionary sensor for Gold and
this creates a big difference. Also some similar expressions that we use do not mean essentially same operating theory of the detectors.
The only resemblance that we have with the Mineoro detectors is that we also can detect gold from Long distances.
Lastly a company, especially a new company in this area, must be judged by it's works. Shortly we will present a special Tesla coil exclusively for PI
Detectors, which as many know is very difficult to manufacture, but it will give you the possibility to understand and see the efforts that we make in
order for everyone to have better results in metal detecting.
Remember that every honest effort is for everybody's benefit, and should be faced seriously and not with disreputive reactions or other ways.
Regards to all
The iconos Team

[Max]

Read already lot of times same words from others, for other products too.
Till now, nothing new, nothing functional.
Nothing of nothing.
We have just to wait and see.

And then who knows ?

[Rudy]

The implications are very clear. Iconos does not want their brand to be associated with Mineoro, because the Mineoro LRL doesn't seem to work. The Iconos technology is very different from Mineoro's so it doesn't work much better.

Geeze haven't these folks ever heard of filing for patent protection, instead of claiming all this secrecy?

"And we begin by saying a few words about the operating principle of our iconos-md Long range Gold detector ...."

Unfortunately nothing of substance was begun.

[Geo]

Simply, We should wait for to see the results before we begin to judge
My friend Max ok, and then who knows ..........

[J_Player]

Yes. I don't care if it works on the principle of secret voodoo. If I can use it to find treasure, then I will think it is a good tool. We cannot know until Iconos shows us what this locator can do.

Best wishes for Iconos,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

I bet if any LRL of any description would work then Governments and mineral companies would pay a lot more for a product than multitudes of uniformed people wanting to do a treasure hunt. A famous quote goes something like this "for every fool born, there is two to take him". Then another one goes like this, "if it's too good to be true then more than likely it isn't". There are not many mechanical or electronic devises that don't have some form of empirical evidences to it's capability before it is sold.

[J_Player]

Hi Iconos,

I have a question. On your web page you say:
"The ions migrate from it’s surface using the soil as transportation and they can travel long distances through the ground from the target, after many years, and at the same time an electrostatic and ionic field is formed above ground." http://www.iconos-md.eu/

My question is:
1. How many meters above the ground is this ionic field formed?
2. What elements are ionized in this field?
3. Is the electrostatic field located in the same place as the ionic field?

Thank you for the help,
J_P

[Leto]

Hi to all,
secret about this Lrl directional coils will never be revealed....
The process of analysing an existing system to identify its components and their interrelationships and create representations of the system in another form or at a higher level of abstraction will be abruptly canceled with pack of C4 explosive.
Do not leave IC-807 coils on the sun, do not open the coil cover, always handle with care.

P.S. Their IC-707 was packed with nitroglycerine, it had longer range but was very unstable - detonating when more than gramm of gold was sensed.
Up side: no need to dig a hole (automatic momentary excavation).
Down side: no-one survived to report about extraordinary power of this detector.

[Max]

Hi,
seems the last resource against reverse engineering
maybe cause all the others failed here till now!

We have just to wait and see...
then who knows !?

Miracles of science could happen!

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by iconos-md

Greetings to all members of the forum

After reading the opinions that your members publish on this forum, about our products , we observed that there is a tendency from certain members, to
connect our detectors with the products of the company Mineoro.
For this reason we have been were forced to defend ourselves and to inform all the members of the forum, in order to make sure that there will be no
other problems or misunderstandings or impressions in the future, concerning our products and the iconos-md company to those interested in Long
range metal detectors.
And we begin by saying a few words about the operating principle of our iconos-md Long range Gold detector and also for the future products which will
be introduced to the worldwide market by our company.
In this sector we are compelled to give ONLY in general lines, for confidential reasons certain information about our revolutionary Gold sensor system
which has been implemented into our Long range metal detectors. Therefore as you may understand it is not possible for us to give out complete
information and theory of operation regarding the sensor, having been the result of many years of effort and research ,just to convince some skeptics
who also are professional or amateur electronics engineers and who love to reverse engineer everything they see.
We are forced to protect our invention by this way because if we dont the result will be the publishing of all our efforts in a worldwide scale. We believe
that research is a personal effort, and no one will give away his discoveries without a certain personal profit.
If we remove the majority of members in this forum who are purely amateur enthusiasts and hobbyists, there also exist professionals who are trying to
acquire information for commercial exploitation.
We on our part, cannot know who these people are that fall into this category, and we also have no way of knowing who the true amateurs are in the
immense woldwide web ,where everyone uses a false name, and only a limited number of them use their real name.
For these reasons we are forced to limit the information on the operating theory of our system, which is our intellectual property and we will not allow
any free exploitation of this information from anyone.
Consequently the general operating theory that we have in our site, is for our judgement, sufficient for anyone interested to acquire this detector.What
someone really wants is to have a working detector that will give him the results that he is asking for, and we on our part keep the know how
confidential and protected.
We believe that our position on this matter is sincere. It is irrelevant for us if you do not want to admit it but it must be respected.
Another matter that has resulted is that certain members of this forum deliberately disrepute us purposely through their publications. Here we want to
clarify that our first orders are due to be delivered by the end of August. How is it possible that certain persons judge and compare and they discredit a
detector that they do not have, and have never used, but also have not even seen yet? This is a negative situation for our interests, which will allow us
at any moment that we judge right to press legal charges against anyone who purposely wants to disrepute our name via the internet or any other
means.
There is an effort to connect our devices with other manufacturers like Mineoro. Whatever opinion anyone has for the Mineoro detectors does not
concern us and is his own private matter. But we are concerned when people try to connect us with Mineoro and they try to link us with them about the
method of detection and operating principles of the iconos-md Detectors. We do not know the theory of operation of the Mineoro detectors and even if
we knew, it does not allow us to take a stand, but we certainly know ours and we can say that they have many differences between them.
A fact that we can publish is that our detector uses a microwave aerial in combination with a specially manufactured revolutionary sensor for Gold and
this creates a big difference. Also some similar expressions that we use do not mean essentially same operating theory of the detectors.
The only resemblance that we have with the Mineoro detectors is that we also can detect gold from Long distances.
Lastly a company, especially a new company in this area, must be judged by it's works. Shortly we will present a special Tesla coil exclusively for PI
Detectors, which as many know is very difficult to manufacture, but it will give you the possibility to understand and see the efforts that we make in
order for everyone to have better results in metal detecting.
Remember that every honest effort is for everybody's benefit, and should be faced seriously and not with disreputive reactions or other ways.
Regards to all
The iconos Team

Personally I don't see how your claims are any different to those of Mineoro. This device is based on the same pseudoscientific idea of ionic detection, and at 5300 euros (about £3710) no wonder you are offering free shipping worldwide.

[Dell Winders]

IT's All Irrevelant!

This simple, inexpensive, non-electronic, 4 oz. prototype Locator Rod discriminates and does everything that Iconis-MD & Mineoro, claim to do, and possibly more, at a mere fraction of the cost.

One version is being tested for locating, discriminating, and tracing underground PVC water pipe, from a distance of 50 feet, with success.

"WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,

If I bent a 1/8 inch welding rod to the same shape as the Dell directional rod, then I taped 2 segments of a foam plastic egg crate to the shaft, would it work as good as a real Dell directionial rod?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Actually the Rod is plastic. Only the handle is brass. Dell

[J_Player]

DANG..!!
Well that explains it!
No wonder it wasn't working for me!

Thanks Dell.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

IT's All Irrevelant!

This simple, inexpensive, non-electronic, 4 oz. prototype Locator Rod discriminates and does everything that Iconis-MD & Mineoro, claim to do, and possibly more, at a mere fraction of the cost.

One version is being tested for locating, discriminating, and tracing underground PVC water pipe, from a distance of 50 feet, with success.

"WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell

Hi,
so do you say that's anti-economic spending e.g. 5300eur for something you actually can do with a 3eur paint roller handle ?

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Paint roller is not the same as the Dell directional rod. Paint roller uses plated steel, not brass. And no double compartment to hide bait samples. Also, cost is not 5300eur. Cost is $300 USD. When I see this price advertised on Dell's web page, it makes me think maybe it is a production model, not prototype.

Oh Dell, do you have a kit form available? I was thinking maybe if you could ship only the plastic parts and a printed pattern that shows how to bend the brass rod that I buy at Linde Welding Supply. Do you have a price available for this kind of kit?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Paint roller is not the same as the Dell directional rod. Paint roller uses plated steel, not brass. And no double compartment to hide bait samples. Also, cost is not 5300eur. Cost is $300 USD. When I see this price advertised on Dell's web page, it makes me think maybe it is a production model, not prototype.

Oh Dell, do you have a kit form available? I was thinking maybe if you could ship only the plastic parts and a printed pattern that shows how to bend the brass rod that I buy at Linde Welding Supply. Do you have a price available for this kind of kit?

Best wishes,
J_P

Oh yes... the BRASS is the secret... what a fool I'm !