Scientific Test of Dowsing

[Qiaozhi]

If anyone is interested in reading a good scientific test of dowsing, then look here -> http://www.csicop.org/si/9901/dowsing.html

This is the most extensive and careful scientific study of the dowsing problem ever attempted. Initially the conclusions were that dowsing actually works, but further analysis of the data showed completely the opposite, and that the original interpretation was the result of wishful thinking.

At a much earlier date the U.S. Geological Survey had concluded [Ellis 1917] that further testing of dowsing " . . .would be a misuse of public funds."

It's strange how such superstitious medieval nonsense can still be in use today.

[Geo]

1. Hi Qiaozhi. I agree with you But..But..But
1....."Some few dowsers, in particular tasks, showed an extraordinarily high rate of success , which can scarcely if at all be explained as due to chance ... a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven"
2... I saw with my eyes a friend to finding coins and metalic objects (in the ground) with wooden dowsing, but he never found gold . He found a big bronze object from 600...700 m distance.
3... I don't know why, but the last year he can't find anything (dowsing don't work for him now !!!!!)
Really i don't know what to say?????

[hung]

Geo,

Dowsing studies will probably have more data than einstein's relative theory papers.
I have a friend who's a great dowser with gold and silver findings. It seems that sun activity and health problems affect him much more than expected.

I have been studying this subject for several years now. I have a lot to discuss but feel that a dowsing site is much more appropriate to discuss this subject than here with skeptics who you cannot even start to talk in the first place.

By the way Geo, congratulations on your kids. I saw the picture in the other thread and they are beautiful.

[Geo]

Hi Hung. Before 3 hours i had a meeting with a dowser (a good but not expert dowser). He said me that he goes near the objects , he can find any object , but sometimes he makes mistakes between "gold or silver" and rusting iron . I heard the same and from another friend (dowser), so i don't know what to say??
I tried the dowsing some times without results . Maybe is time to try it again !!!

Originally Posted by hung

Geo,

By the way Geo, congratulations on your kids. I saw the picture in the other thread and they are beautiful.

Thanks Hung

Regards

[Esteban]

In a book called The electronic metal detector handbook... For serious beginners and Inquisitive Professionals, by E. S. LeGaye, you can read this epigraph of photo (page 2):

7) A really old "metal detector": a Spanish dip needle that, believe it or not, has actually located treasure! Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting old relic.

Who is in the photo? Is the same Garrett, from Garrett Detectors? What are doing with this "instrument"?

[hung]

Originally Posted by Esteban

In a book called The electronic metal detector handbook... For serious beginners and Inquisitive Professionals, by E. S. LeGaye, you can read this epigraph of photo (page 2):

7) A really old "metal detector": a Spanish dip needle that, believe it or not, has actually located treasure! Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting old relic.

Who is in the photo? Is the same Garrett, from Garrett Detectors? What are doing with this "instrument"?

It's gotta be hiim yes. Unless it's his son , Junior.

[nelson]

Hi Esteban. Do you know if there are any information on how to construct a Spanish dip needle?
Regards
Nelson

Originally Posted by Esteban

In a book called The electronic metal detector handbook... For serious beginners and Inquisitive Professionals, by E. S. LeGaye, you can read this epigraph of photo (page 2):

7) A really old "metal detector": a Spanish dip needle that, believe it or not, has actually located treasure! Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting old relic.

Who is in the photo? Is the same Garrett, from Garrett Detectors? What are doing with this "instrument"?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

In a book called The electronic metal detector handbook... For serious beginners and Inquisitive Professionals, by E. S. LeGaye, you can read this epigraph of photo (page 2):

7) A really old "metal detector": a Spanish dip needle that, believe it or not, has actually located treasure! Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting old relic.

Who is in the photo? Is the same Garrett, from Garrett Detectors? What are doing with this "instrument"?

I missed this post from earlier on in this thread.
Yes - it is Charles Garrett. In fact, the words below the picture say "Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting device.".
What it doesn't say is whether he's convinced that it works or not.

Also - on the next page - it says:
"At the same time, it is an almost self-evident fact that - whether they admit it or not - very few of the disciples and practitioners of para-scientific theories and esoteric gadgetry seem able consistently to make money finding treasure by means of their theories and gadgets. If, therefore, you are ever approached by someone wanting you to "invest" in either gadget or services with a gadget, be forewarned. Before you put your hard-earned cash on the line, ask him to put proven performance where his mouth is!".

This book was published in 1969, and the same old nonsense still goes rolling along...

[Clondike Clad]

Anyone open an FG80 to take photo of inside.
I would like to see the circuit board.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Anyone open an FG80 to take photo of inside.
I would like to see the circuit board.

If you look further down this forum for the posts by Alexismex. he has completely dismantled the Mineoro FG80, and posted the sad findings here.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

If you look further down this forum for the posts by Alexismex. he has completely dismantled the Mineoro FG80, and posted the sad findings here.

A CD210 is not a FG80.
So, don't complain later when Dell states about skeptics misleading tactics. Although in your case it was plain ignorance.

PS: What sad findings? Oh yes...Ripping off an expensive detector to see if he could find his brains inside.. I almost forgot.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

A CD210 is not a FG80.
So, don't complain later when Dell states about skeptics misleading tactics. Although in your case it was plain ignorance.

PS: What sad findings? Oh yes...Ripping off an expensive detector to see if he could find his brains inside.. I almost forgot.

Oh - I forgot. The previous scam always seem to have a problem that is cured by the "latest and greatest" model. CD210, FG80, PDC(whatever), they're all boxes of nonsense electronics only suitable for one thing - wallet mining.
Yes - they were sad findings. Especially for those who wasted their money on this expensive junk.

"What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence."

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

cured by the "latest and greatest" model. CD210, FG80, PDC(whatever)

They all work, buddy.

[Clondike Clad]

Any new test on this stuff.

[Esteban]

The LRL rod is pure silver. A friend of mine (Omar Hassan, son of a Sirian) use this for several years (in the photo), and is the unique metal (silver) wich "attract" at high distance. And maybe this is the unique scientific "fact" (the best electricity conductor = silver).

Limit is 300 meters for coin size (30 mm) object, copper-bronze, gold or silver. I only make the "registration", let the scientists and skepticals what can do they for to explain, I can't do. This was in the property of my friend Marcel Augereau (son of French). So we walk because the antenna signalize a site and girate in a point near a mango tree. I put on the Mineoro PDC 205 double sens. control and obtain short beeps exactly in the place. This I call "to contrast".

So, we decide to dig. Here the bronze 1945 coin at the depth you can see:

[Jim]

Marcel and Omar aren’t the smartest kids on the block, digging that huge crater.

[Esteban]

This is not the theme:

Marcel and Omar aren’t the smartest kids on the block, digging that huge crater.

We contract other persons for to dig, we are detectorists.

They have not beachs for to find easily than you! Not a very huge crater, only I want to know with wich "normal" MD you can find at 50-60 cm depth! I think your pre-independent and early independent USA coins are near this depth and more and are very valious!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Essteban

We contract other persons for to dig, we are detectorists.

Was the digging done with a backhoe or by hand?

[hung]

Originally Posted by Jim

Marcel and Omar aren’t the smartest kids on the block, digging that huge crater.

Esteban, I was going to answer him but you were faster.

Actually Jim shows evidence he's not familiar with digging.
This is a technique employed to reach higher depths. You need to open a large hole to have area for backhoe manuevering or whatever.

I know because I'm not only the detectorist. Many times I'm the one who digs too.

[Esteban]

Hi Hung.

Yes, you need space for to maneuver well inside the hole.

J_Player:

Was digging by hand for 2 men, mainly curious persons of the place make the job, they want to know what happens!

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hung

Actually Jim shows evidence he's not familiar with digging.

Actually, Jim knows BS...and, b'rudder youse guise iz fool oft