MINERO

[Dell Winders]

DELL, FIELD COMPARING THE MINERO, WITH OTHER REMOTE SENSING LOCATORS.

Carl, I could not find your tech report on Minero. Can you post some photos of the coil(s) , circuit board and inside the enclosure as you have done on other LRL products? Thanks! Dell

[Carl-NC]

Sure, no problem...

Here's the main PC board:



There is a microcontroller, a piezo buzzer, some misc components, a "sensor" (top-center), and a "black box" (top-right). The large trace around the perimeter is a loop antenna, which would not be the least bit necessary if the device works according to Mineoro's claims. The oval trace around the sensor, and some components connected to it, are otherwise isolated from the rest of the circuitry, and do nothing.

The sensor is a piece of PVC pipe filled with epoxy:



This is the one piece I did not have permission to dissect. But it functions as a proximity detector, as the device beeps when objects are about 1/2 inch away.

The black box revealed this nifty little circuit:



I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

- Carl

P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.

[Dell Winders]

Many Thanks! I haven't examined it closely but at first glance it looks like some cosmetic damage would be done trying to get inside the unit? For $8,000, I'm not that interested in knowing.

Being technically challenged and totally gullible about electronics, it would have been my guess that the trace around the circuit, and the trace around the sensor were both parts of the antenna system.

What kind of a sensor do you suspect might be behind the epoxy. Do you think it would cause the device to beep when receiving certain brodcast radio frequencies? That's looks like some comparative heavy duty wire coming out of a sensor?

The unit we are using doesn't require someone with a transmitter to cause it to beep on cue. In the conditions of this area we have subjected it to, it often beeps continously.

Another question, is there an output frequency, or does it appear to receive only?

Right now, I will reserve my opinion on it's merit in the field until I learn, and understand more about it.

Thanks for your input. The photos are very helpful. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Many Thanks! I haven't examined it closely but at first glance it looks like some cosmetic damage would be done trying to get inside the unit? For $8,000, I'm not that interested in knowing.

It's pretty easy to open.

Being technically challenged and totally gullible about electronics, it would have been my guess that the trace around the circuit, and the trace around the sensor were both parts of the antenna system.

Just the outer trace.

What kind of a sensor do you suspect might be behind the epoxy.

Don't know... if I were designing such a device to deceive someone, I would put a proximity sensor in it.

Do you think it would cause the device to beep when receiving certain brodcast radio frequencies? That's looks like some comparative heavy duty wire coming out of a sensor?

The outer loop & regenerative receiver could easily pick up broadcast frequencies.

The unit we are using doesn't require someone with a transmitter to cause it to beep on cue. In the conditions of this area we have subjected it to, it often beeps continously.

Yes, the one I had could do that, too.

Another question, is there an output frequency, or does it appear to receive only?

Receive only.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Carl, I appreciate the opinion. Do you mind if I cut and paste these photo's and remarks on TA, with a link, or would you prefer that I just provide a link to your site? Dell

[Esteban]

The "dissected" is the microcontroller version with an only potentiometer.

The PDC 205 and PDC 210 with two potentiometers that works in the limit is extremely sensitive. VERY. I agree the microcontroller/semiautomatic version (early PDC) is not good...


I don't know the performance of the 428 (in Dell's hand).


In this photo you can see the both knobs.

So, Carl's report is about the early microcontroller 1 knob model (several years out of the market).

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Carl, I appreciate the opinion. Do you mind if I cut and paste these photo's and remarks on TA, with a link, or would you prefer that I just provide a link to your site? Dell

Whichever you prefer.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Right now, I will reserve my opinion on it's merit in the field until I learn, and understand more about it.

Hi Dell,

This is your quote from this very forum I believe, refering to a Mineoro detector.
Are we not all simply searching for the same answer?

It must clear by now that this whole LRL discussion has reached a stalemate, with neither side able to make progress. Does anyone have a suggestion that would break the deadlock - perhaps someone without a strong opinion either way??

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Right now, I will reserve my opinion on it's merit in the field until I learn, and understand more about it.

Right! I am skeptical of what I have not experienced for myself. Not of how it works, but if it works. Now I know.

Sides? Is that what you want this discussion to be about?

The truth doesn't take sides. I said that The Minero I tested does work in the field, but not necessarily as advertised. That's the truth proven out by the fact that it did work. I will not take sides by denying the truth regardless of my personal opinion of the Mineoro, or the Skeptic cult.

Stalemate? Not unless you think you already know everything there is to know about the subject. Every one here is free to learn from their own experience with this product, or any, the same as I do. So, what is the problem with you getting a MINEORO demonstration and learn for yourself from personal experience and be able to speak intelligently from first hand knowledge, instead of relying on assumption or hearsay?

"WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

It must clear by now that this whole LRL discussion has reached a stalemate, with neither side able to make progress. Does anyone have a suggestion that would break the deadlock - perhaps someone without a strong opinion either way??

Yes... I have an opportunity to purchase a PDC210. I asked earlier what this model originally cost, and how much Mineoro is charging for the new models. Apparently no one knows. I'd still like to know the original cost of the PDC210 before I agree to a price.

Also, I'm concerned about getting "the right" PDC210. That is, when I posted my results of the PDC205, I was told that I had a "1-knob" PDC205 instead of the "2-knob" PDC205. I guess the 1-knob model was bogus, but the 2-knob model was the Real Deal. Anyway, I'd like to know if there is a particular PDC210 model that Really Works, or, conversely, is there a PDC210 model to avoid.

- Carl

[miqui]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Sure, no problem...

Here's the main PC board:



There is a microcontroller, a piezo buzzer, some misc components, a "sensor" (top-center), and a "black box" (top-right). The large trace around the perimeter is a loop antenna, which would not be the least bit necessary if the device works according to Mineoro's claims. The oval trace around the sensor, and some components connected to it, are otherwise isolated from the rest of the circuitry, and do nothing.

The sensor is a piece of PVC pipe filled with epoxy:



This is the one piece I did not have permission to dissect. But it functions as a proximity detector, as the device beeps when objects are about 1/2 inch away.

The black box revealed this nifty little circuit:



I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

- Carl

P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.

hi carl,

may you e-mail me a esquematic diageam of the lrl in order to analize it?

thanks,
miqui
miquijacobo@hotmail.com

[detectoman]

this is an mineoro a simple circuit, i invent one similar in my six months i born
these device mineoro is only a fist of electronicas pieces made pile is single

ok detectoman

"RObert" is not blind at all..... RObert is here all the time, updating whole
forum every day. RObert is just sick of your claims and nonsences and further
no coments.....
I do not want to put Carl in a position to be pushed to act somehow here,
therefore i am not that "blue" to continue to argue with you ignorants any more !


Mineoro products are scum,trash and rubbish DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON IT !!!

[Esteban]

"Robert" said:

Mineoro products are scum,trash and rubbish DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON IT !!!

Maybe you're correct, maybe not, but accusations demmand proof from your part. Obviously, you're hide as Robert, so is very easy to launch accusations based in nothing! Be a serious person and show your real name. Also you don't show your private mail, very intelligent, so is very difficult to track you.
This is the only truth.

[nncunew]

Amigo, veo que eres muy ducho en los temas de los LRL... yo aquÃ* pasando tremendo trabajo con el inglés.

Oye, tu pudieras mandarme algo sobre LRL, por ejemplo algún esquema que me permita hacer experimentos que muestren este tema de los LRL. Algún plano de equipo que encuentre algo a distancia, aunque sea grande...

Cambiando el tema, hice una mezcla de detectores y he dado el primer paso en este tema de los PI, hice una antena de 8.2 inchs y 20awg con 28 turns, me ha salido un equipo con una LM 709 de preamplificador, pero solo obtengo una lata de refresco a unos 40 a 45 cm... y suena muy feo, quizás se te ocurra que debo hacer algo.

Saludos

nncunew@yahoo.com

[Carl-NC]

Experimenting with LRLs is tricky business, it's very easy to get caught up in self-deception. Right now, I know of no instrument that will find treasure at a distance, at least the kind of instrument treasure hunters are dreaming of.

Regarding your PI, I don't know... the coil sounds OK, the LM709 should work (I think)... it could be your transmit pulse width, or the sample delay, or something in the gain stages. You would need to provide more information.

- Carl

[Esteban]

I prefer the words directional electronic metal detector for completely electronic type machine, because the terminology LRL remember dowsing...

The photos I post are, maybe, the only proofs on the world about directional metal detector. All the photos are real, and I have many negative films of these.

Respect the PI, nncunew want a more good audio generator for his PI, maybe a VCO type.

[Carl-NC]

Posting pics of people holding gadgets, really isn't proof of the existence of a working LRL... What I would like to see, and try, are experiments that objectively demonstrate a workable concept. As soon as I see evidence that I (or anyone else) can personally replicate, then I will temper my skepticism.

- Carl

Hello, Carl.
Sorry, my English isn't correct.
What do you think about MINEORO's device and Bionic 01 from OKM Gmbh?
Do you know correct research these devices?
Thanks.

[Gilmar]

Hi, I am an analyst for Systems, I have no connection with Mineoro, I do not sell Mineoro, most have a detector DCH-85 pistol bought in 1994, when the occasion was in manufacturing, I made several test in Campo during this time and found that this model pistol DCH-85 is not ideal sensitivity to detect gold, and that in a way not in searches in the security field. If possible I would like information on this model FG-80, because I have doubts about the workings of this new model.

Detectors that has:

DCH-85 pistol - I have not had any success.

08 MI-Two boxes Very Good - has been found several pieces of silver and 01 gold.

Bandido II - Very Good-finding 03 Currencies Silver date 1889 Empire Brazil

I would like to see in a field test this new model of Mineoro LRL detectors.



Thank you.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Gilmar

Hi, I am an analyst for Systems, I have no connection with Mineoro, I do not sell Mineoro, most have a detector DCH-85 pistol bought in 1994, when the occasion was in manufacturing, I made several test in Campo during this time and found that this model pistol DCH-85 is not ideal sensitivity to detect gold, and that in a way not in searches in the security field. If possible I would like information on this model FG-80, because I have doubts about the workings of this new model.

Detectors that has:

DCH-85 pistol - I have not had any success.

08 MI-Two boxes Very Good - has been found several pieces of silver and 01 gold.

Bandido II - Very Good-finding 03 Currencies Silver date 1889 Empire Brazil

I would like to see in a field test this new model of Mineoro LRL detectors.



Thank you.

Gilmar, me mande uma mensagem em privado através desse forum. Lá escreva seu email. Vamos conversar. Tenho muitas informações para voce.

Abraços.

[Fred]

The spider has found a prey.
Or not?

[Gilmar]

Hello, Thank you for your attention, more if we can exchange E-mail in the forum so that all the knowledge is passed to members of the list.

More leave my E-mail gilmarsilveirasc@yahoo.com

My thanks.

[Gilmar]

Hi I would like to know if there any plans on making a device such as the DC2008, if someone could post a file on them.
Thank you