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10-27-2009, 04:14 PM
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GOLD ion detector...
Hi to all friends,
we read some posts and see some devices that introduce in this site to remote sensing a treasure under ground...!!! But these are my questions: 1- is this true, that buried gold (or other metals) emit negative ions that comes up to the surface of ground ? 2- just old buried metals emit these negative ions or new buried metals also emit these negative ions ? 3- really, can we detect these emitted negative ions by one negative ion detector device or not? 4- what we can do to increase these device sensitivity to detect these negative ions from more distance and more depth ? Please, let's we answer to these question carefully to reach to the best results...  I am waiting for your good and perfect answers... 
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10-27-2009, 05:51 PM
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1 - No - it's not true. 2 - Neither. 3 - See answer 1. 4 - See answer 1. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that longtime buried objects release ions into the atmosphere, therefore it is not possible to detect them. Some people claim that there is a PHENOMENON (or anomaly) surrounding longtime buried objects, which is detectable at long range using certain devices tuned to the edge of sensitivity. This has yet to be confirmed by a repeatable experiment under double-blind test conditions.
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10-27-2009, 06:23 PM
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Hi,
Thanks Qiaozhi, Is there any other idea from anybody... ?
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10-27-2009, 09:19 PM
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In that regard, Qiaozhi's answers are correct. There are those who are experimenting with high-gain amplifier devices, tuned to a precarious edge between indicating something and not indicating something, but from everything we can see here - there is no consistency to the indications, temperature and humidity fluctuations create havoc with the indications and as was stated above, no formal monitored testing over blind targets has been done. (At least the test data and protocol have not been published here or on any other known sites.) Ion migration above the ground, is a tantalizing concept that is appealing and attractive to many, but so far is just not provable. Thus, building devices to measure ion migration above the ground is a waste of time and energy until it can be proven there are ions to detect. 
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10-28-2009, 07:09 AM
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Max is correct. Buried gold releases positive ions. Gold ions in the soil have a +3 charge. Scientists have discovered that long-time buried gold does corrode. The amount is much less than for copper, but enough gold corrodes and emits gold ions to go into solution with the soil around it and migrate up to the surface, where it quickly becomes bound with elements at the surface and becomes part of the soil as a gold compound or microscopic metallic gold. Although the process is slow, large amounts of gold are moving in the soil by this method. The corrosion of gold under the ground is not something that would happen easily above the surface, because there are colonies of microorganisms below the surface that secrete chemicals such as cyanide and sulfur complexes which are capable of dissolving gold and suspending it in the soil as ions. A particular strain of gold-attacking bacteria thrives dark places without much oxygen like in the soil or rock crevices below the soil. These have been discovered as deep as 2 miles below the surface in gold mines, as well as near the surface of the ground. There are other microbes that can actually precipitate metallic gold from the ions that are released into the soil, thus forming new nuggets some distance above the original gold that was below. They have also been observed to deposit new, very pure gold on the surface of existing nuggets, leaving a high purity surface on a lesser purity center. Does this sound hard to believe? If it is true, it means there are gold ions in the soil, and not just a few unmeasurable ions, but enough to make nuggets from. According to geomicrobiologist Frank Reith, "...the precipitation of gold by micro-organisms, and thus in the biomineralisation of gold, which as recent evidence suggests has led to the formation of some of the world largest gold deposits." But in addition to micro-organisms precipitating metallic gold, there are microbes that ionize and dissolve gold: "In soils with high contents of organic matter heterotrophic bacteria and fungi appear to dominate the gold dissolution by excreting amino acids, low molecular weight organic acids (LMWOAs), cyanide or organic sulfur compounds. These molecules were shown to have the ability to dissolve native gold and act as complexing agents for the resulting gold ions." Wet soil samples were incubated with these microbes, then gold pellets were added to the soil. After 20-30 days of incubation, up to 3 ppm of gold was found in solution, compared to none measurable in the sterilized soil samples with gold pellets. Now, how do atoms from a gold pellet get into solution? They have to become ionized first! Thus it cannot be true that buried gold does not form ions. We are talking about small amounts (3ppm), But this is the amount measured in some small sample test areas after a month in the ground. The investigations into mine sites from the real world show that this process can happen on a much larger scale, creating nuggets that are very pure where microbes precipitated the gold (98% and better). Not all gold nuggets are created by microbes. Many are formed with cooling molten rock masses. The gold formed by microbes is derived from these primary gold sources in the ground. But it has been discovered that there are many nuggets which have a rich outer gold shell, and a lower purity gold in the center. In some cases these were nuggets formed by molten gold cooling, then later, microbes deposited a layer of higher purity gold on the top surfaces. Because it takes some time for these microbes to ionize buried gold metal and put it in solution with the surrounding soil, it tells us that long time buried gold is different than fresh gold that was recently put in the ground. In addition, there are microbes that will attack the other metals alloyed with gold like silver, copper, platinum, etc. According to these studies, some soil is richer in these gold-eating microbes than other soil, so we can expect some soils to show a greater difference between fresh gold and long time buried gold. In the case of the other microbes that convert the ions back into gold metal, we will find gold nuggets that have ions around them being converted into metallic gold to precipitate and grow the nugget. These new gold nuggets may have similar halo properties as gold that is decomposing. Check here to read this article: http://crcleme.org.au/NewsEvents/New...USIMMReith.pdf There are over a million reports on microbes that convert gold to ions, and other microbes that convert gold ions to gold metal in the soil. These include much larger concentrations of gold ions, enough to precipitate gold nuggets. See these reports showing how microbes convert gold to ions, and other microbes that convert gold ions to gold metal in the soil: Microbes manufacture gold nuggets: http://www.geotimes.org/sept06/NN_Microbes.html Electron micrographs of microbes moving gold associated with Au(III) reduction: http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/67/7/3275.pdf Microbes convert dissolved gold into solid metallic gold: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1032376.htm Report says scientists have ascertained the microbeʼs process converts approximately 1% of exposed gold per year. http://www.sandersresearch.com/index...k=view&id=1171 http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev32_3/amazing.htm You will find over a million reports on microbes that eat and ionize gold and other metals if you google for "gold microbe": http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...gle+Search&aq= f&oq=&aqi= There are several gold corroding chemical processes that have been documented in different locations depending on the soil conditions. In soils with high organic content, the microbe strains that dissolve gold are mostly microbes that produce cyanide and organic acids and complexes which react with metallic gold and bind it in the complex. This complex goes into solution in the soil, and moves with the subterranean moisture. Much different microbes that live only on metallic gold surfaces are able to digest the dissolved ions and precipitate them onto the nuggets where they live. Various chemical mechanisms have been documented, but the researchers are still working to unravel the mysteries of how these processes change in different soils. Apparently the ability of microbes to adapt to their environment is an important part of the puzzle. Here are a few pages about cyanide producing microbes that dissolve gold: Microscopic plants and fungi Produce cyanide which is thought to have dissolved ancient gold deposits in alluvial sands: http://books.google.com/books?id=L8B...A495&dq=microbe+gold+cyanide&source=web&ots=E9FBKen7LJ&sig=jaLBL d1JAjV9BDA5NOEGPuoR_co#PPA494,M1 30 species of microorganisms including bacteria, yeasts, actinomycetes, fungi and algae were found to accumulate gold from laboratory solutions. This abstract also describes how Pseudomonas cells can be treated to absorb and desorb gold on demand. http://www.springerlink.com/content/u142554485g84k31/ Microbes moving gold in Southern Australia by various chemical methods: http://crcleme.org.au/NewsEvents/New...USIMMReith.pdf In the reports from mining exploration, you will read how they have been finding gold ions that rise in a column to the surface soil above buried gold ores. According to Dr. Mark Fedikow, exploration geochemist and mineral deposits geologist, approximately 1000 sample sites have been analyzed using the mobile metal ion process (MMI) to locate gold and other mineral deposits since 1993 in over 30 countries. Dr. fedikow says the MMI technique of chemical and electronic analysis results in distinctive anomalies directly over mineralized zones. The MMI sampling has been successful for finding metal ions in the surface soil from Cu, Pb, Zn Cd, Ni, Co, Pd, Au, Ag, Cr, Nb, and Mg. The technology to locate these mineral deposits was developed by an Australian company who measures ions in the parts per billion and sub-parts per billion range in surface soil. The main testing laboratory for the MMI surveys is SGS Group. See the SGS Group page that explains the movement of ions upward here: http://www.geochem.sgs.com/mmi__theory_geochem See more web reports about sampling the soil for traces of metal from the vertical movement of metal ions here: http://geea.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/...stract/5/3/201 http://www.diggerresources.com/hdrg.htm http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n8682755/ See more than 250,000 web pages showing reports of gold ions being measured in near-surface soil with MMI techniques here: http://www.google.com/search?q=mmi+g...&start=10&sa=N While we don't see much gold corrosion, it is happening, and causing gold ions to move through the soil in a vertical column that can be detected by chemical surveys of the soil. The scientists who developed the MMI method to detect the location of gold deposits say the gold ions in the soil move upward in a column until they reach within 10-30 cm of the surface. Then they combine with other elements in the soil and cease to be ions. So we know there are no gold ion clouds hovering above a buried treasure. Only a very weak trail of gold ions above long-time buried gold. These trace ions can be measured by chemical measurements. Can they also be detected by an LRL? I have never seen any live tests to suggest they can. Best wishes, J_P
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10-28-2009, 08:09 AM
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Hi J_P. I believe that any LRL can't detect the gold from Ions. Regards 
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10-27-2009, 06:32 PM
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2. both old and "new" metals emit POSITIVE ions if right conditions exist 3. you need a positive ion sniffer: if you use a "squid" device you can do that from several meters far away, but device have huge price 4. easy to put in words, but practice is another thing: you need to cool the sniffer "squid" device at very low temperature, this way it's less sensitive to noise and can make more accurate detection, that means you can increase detection range also Squid use superconducting material... and are hard to find and build without proper technology. Here you see in the picture are old sensors now obsolete , but you can make an idea of what's needed... Kind regards, Max
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01-15-2011, 06:02 AM
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help and more inforation
hi dear
this is mohammad thank you for your compelet informatons i see squad in your subject how can buy it thanks a lot for your cooperation Quote:
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01-17-2011, 09:48 PM
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01-18-2011, 02:26 PM
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jajaj an little erratic but isnt clasifier
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10-28-2009, 11:19 AM
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11-02-2009, 09:13 AM
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a new theory is born:the magnetic activity of buried object is important and detectable .Buried gold (older than 100 years) is detected by emission of electromagnetic waves f= 5khz the detector costs 5000euro.
THE REAL PROBLEM IS HOW CAN WE BUILD THAT?
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11-02-2009, 11:29 AM
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5Khz ? Like Omnifu$k and other magic numbers detectors ? C'mon , if gold buried 100years emits em waves at 5Khz any stupid AM radio can be converted to detect it from distance!  Don't tell me! That's why PD has germanium diodes inside! 
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