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08-07-2014, 12:12 PM
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Hi All
I open this new thread to take stock of the situation. I appeal to all those who believe in the "phenomenon" and who want to contribute with ideas and projects. The starting point is that the phenomenon is as real as can testify Esteban, Morgan, Geo, Andreas, Hung, Nicolas and others, including myself. Who does not believe in the "phenomenon" is please do not post. Thanks to Andreas that reminded me of the work of Louis Rota and remembering the gun isotopes of Dr. Bickel and other scientists who have studied this phenomenon, I think it's plausible the idea that cosmic rays have a crucial role. They have a high energy and can easily penetrate into the soil. Buried metals absorb this energy and it accumulates over time and is emitted from the metals. Each metal transforms this energy according to its atomic composition and so there is a "signature" of each metal that emits this energy. In addition, this energy propagates north south axis and this indicates that importance of Earth's magnetic field, which drives this energy. Probably the phenomenon has high energy but our Lrls reveal only a "secondary energy" in the PD Alonzo the ferrite coil is affected by a variation of the magnetic field, in Crypton Andreas there are infrared radiation, in my LRL there are variations of the electric field. We can build an LRL that simultaneously measure changes in the magnetic field, in the electric field and infrared radiation and compare the values. In this way, perhaps it is possible to distinguish between metals and eliminate noise (sky and compass effect). Another way can be to find the main energy, probably in the microwave and even higher up, such as gamma rays, but at these frequencies we hobbyists can do little. Best Regards 
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08-07-2014, 02:10 PM
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Perhaps you have forgotten to explain about the electrostatic.I built a detector, which can easily be detected from a distance electrostatic field.Of course I used the Electromagnetism and elf transmitter.I agree that we can cooperate with you to build a detector which is a combination of All detectors. We're waiting for friends Comments 
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08-07-2014, 04:48 PM
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Hi Mustefa
Electrostatic field is an electric field. I don't like electrostatic because we have signals every where, near ground, walls, threes. I forgot to mention that Louis Rota stated that a metal buried just could issue the "phenomenon" when properly activated, so in theory it would be possible to build an LRL also sensitive to fresh buried metals. Best Regards
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08-08-2014, 04:31 PM
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Hi Franco and thanks for your explanation, very usefull.
I also like to ask if you think IR photography could work has David Villanueva said in his book? Regards Nelson Quote:
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08-08-2014, 05:32 PM
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Hi Nelson
Esteban said that the infrared radiation could be used in Lrls and Mineoro used infrared LEDs in some of its models, Also Andreas uses an infrared sensor in his crypton, so it is possible that infrared photography reveals some abnormality in the vicinity of a gold buried object. My idea is to build an oscillator at about 10Khz which drives an infrared LED, a receiver with infrared diode input, LED and diode are shielded from each other and are pointing in the same direction. A small part of the oscillator signal is injected at the receiver to have a stable signal output of the receiver even without optical signal detected by the diode. The output of the oscillator and the receiver should be to a phase comparator. The presence of the "phenomenon" should cause a change in the output of the phase comparator. I'll try this circuit on my return to Italy, but someone else could try it first. With a CD4046 is obtained the oscillator and the phase comparator, with a TL082 the AF amplifier and with a LM358 amplifier CC after phase comparator. Best Regards
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08-08-2014, 05:50 PM
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Hi franco
First thank you to have open this topic so much interested to understand the phenomena detect by some LRL's and some with IR You know the circuit used the IR sensor Yes this idea is so better but I advice you to use low frequency to able the IR maybe the UA741 like our colleagues Andreas http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe...ICS/UA741.html
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08-09-2014, 11:46 AM
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Hi Nicolas
You know that I do not like to intrude into the work of others, I accept only what the author says. In this case, Andreas talked about special infrared sensor and for me this is important because it confirms the link between Lrls and infrared radiation, and I am convinced that there are several ways to use this link. I want to implement the circuit with LEDs and infrared diode and compare the output signal with the signal of my LRL. In this way, we could discriminate the gold given that there seems to be an affinity between infrared radiation and gold. Best Regards
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08-09-2014, 03:12 PM
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By your way I think we have problem with our dear colleagues Andreas he is always misunderstanding me   maybe for my poorly EnglishThanks and go to do it by your mode.
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08-28-2014, 03:45 AM
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I have seen this same discussion asking how does the LRL detect long-time buried metals since 2006 when I asked these questions in this forum. I remember conceding to Carl that buried gold is no different than fresh gold in the air. But I was wrong. New information has proven that long-time buried gold is not the same. In the past 8 years, we have received many answers, usually conclusions that treasure hunters made based on their experiences when using electronic and dowsing gizmos they take to the field for treasure hunting adventures. Now you are asking specific questions that are focused on the "phenomenon", which is a nebulous thing that has never been defined succinctly. Think about it... the "phenomenon" is a word that was first introduced by Alonso and Damasio at Mineoro, and was further promoted here by Esteban, Alonso-s nephew. But they never gave a scientific explanation of what the "phenomenon" actually is. They only described fragmented details to explain what they were talking about. Then they claimed to have invented a "substance classifier"... According to Mineoro: "...that is to say, a device which has the ability to "filter" just the "ion" or "ions" we needed to produce the phenomenom of "micro crash", "nano crash"or below. After years of researching and field experiences , it was born. It was invented not just as a classifier - "filter", but as a generator of positive "ions", receiver of negative "ions" in order to the short-circuit occur , and generator of electrostatic. Through electrostatic , the "ions" walk long distances , as if along an "invisible wire"... ... The "ion" itself generates that transporting energy. This explains the substance classifier. When the negative "ion" finds its twin of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensively, that when they get together they provoke a short-circuit autodestroying themselves. As in the Romeo and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of poison near them; in the same way, our "passionate ions" also leave a proof of their death in "emiting a crash", which generates an electrical signal so fast as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds, detectable in sensitive electronic circuits and projected for this aim. The classifier just filters the negative "ions", twin pairs of positivie "ions" produced by the classifier. To this phenomenom, Alonso (60) and Damásio (70) gave the name of "Substance Classifier" or just "Classifier". This denomination was necessary to differentiate from the expression "discrimination", commonly used in other systems of detection by electromagnetic waves. About the "classifier" it is good to inform that it is possible to manufacture classifiers for other metal and non-metal substances. It is possible to classify blood in its kinds; plants and its kinds; drugs and its kinds, etc. at long distance. That is why we announced in the media that we are talking about " A MODERN INVENTION". Note that in the Mineoro text, they say "the phenomenon of "micro crash", "nano crash"or below". So they are saying the the "phenomenon" is an electronic noise made by an ion becoming neutral when it short circuits with an oppositely charged ion. Then they go on to prove they don't know what they are talking about by publishing an animated illistration showing a column of gold ions rising into the air 7.21 feet above buried gold.... While the Mineoro explanation of the "phenomenon" does not seem very scientific, they are talking about ionic activity with metal ions hovering in a column of air above buried gold, which they claim their locators detect in the "substance classifier" section of their detector. However, real science has proven there are no ions hovering 7 feet above a treasure as they claim. And we also know the apparatus which Mineoro calls a "substance classifier" is a sealed chamber that could not come into contact with ions outside the chamber even if they did exist in the air. So we have proof that the Mineoro idea of the "phenomenon" is not true. But what is the "phenomena", if not a cloud of gold ions in the air? I read every kind of conflicting explanation from molecular vibrations in the AF range to VHF radio transmissions. Even mysterious signal lines that nobody has proven exist outside their own mind. If a physical thing is real, then we should be able to measure it accurately and in a repeatable manner, even if the thing is small. Consider the extremely small RF energy that travels in long range data communications. Real engineers build real receivers that can always detect and decode these extremely small-power data transmissions without fail. And the results are repeatable, and the tiny amount of energy in the radio transmission can be measured accurately in a repeatable manner. Have you ever wondered why nobody ever built professional grade instruments to measure the alleged "phenomenon"? This alleged "phenomenon" is supposedly a physical entity, which must therefore be measurable, unlike nebulous entities such as a philosophy or a religion which cannot be measured with physical instruments. From what I see, this entire discussion is to determine how to detect an unknown physical "phenomenon" using instruments which are specialized for detecting precise frequencies with very narrow bandwidths, and often have adjustable controls to keep the tuning within the desired narrow band range. What is missing? Shouldn't a designer know what he is trying to detect before he builds an instrument to detect it? Wouldn't it be easier if a designer would identify the exact nature of the alleged "phenomenon" before setting out to detect it? Think about it... There are two approaches to finding a solution to an engineering problem. One is to identify what you want to measure, then design and build an appropriate apparatus that will measure what you want. Or you could not take the trouble to find out what you want to measure, and spend years of trial and error with hopes that you might accidentally stumble onto something that works. And still not know exactly what you are measuring. This raises the question: But what is the "phenomenon", anyway? The people who describe it say it is an area where a long time buried treasure that is measurable. The confusion starts when we hear all kinds of unfounded stories, such as clouds of metal ions rising up into the air, ions shooting in a signal line, molecular vibrations etc. These explanations are generally in conflict with each other, so the reader has to decide which theory he will believe before he sets out to make any experiments. And most of these alleged properties of the "phenomenon" have been proven to be false by real engineers who use real instruments to measure what the hobbyist claims is happening at the location of the alleged "phenomenon". This immediately shows that most of these theories are proven pseudoscience that some hobbyist just made up because he assumed his idea is correct, without making a proper test and see if he is right or not. Now, if most of the theories we read about the "phenomenon" are proven false, then how can we know what the "phenomenon" is? After all, we see some positive results from many people who claim to find the "phenomenon". How can we find out what it actually is? The answer to that question was already provided a number of years ago by an Australian researcher who discovered there are many mechanisms under the ground that move gold around. We also have a large body of claims from metal detectorists who claim they experienced a "halo" effect which is described to be very similar to some descriptions of the "phenomenon". The detectorists never could prove their experience was real, because any attempt to dig the dirt from the treasure area was observed to destroy the "halo" effect. But The Australian researcher Frank Reith did prove what he discovered. He used expensive scientific instruments in a university laboratory to show positive proof that he found gold ions moving in the ground, sometimes creating new nuggets in locations where they didn't exist before. His proof of his discoveries was not necessary to launch the commercial branch of his organization to become a multi-million dollar international company. He only needed to tell the field technicians a method to measure metal ions in the ground. His proof is only valuable to researchers who want to know how subterranean ions are able to move and become detectable. Frank Reith's work was focused on determining where metal and ore is located by measuring the trace ions which he dug from test pits usually around mine locations, or in agricultural areas. As treasure hunting hobbyists, we can look at his work and we will immediately discover that he has mapped out many chemical reactions which happen under the ground, with detailed explanations of how these reactions will decompose gold and other metals, and transport them to other locations, over long periods of time. Is this beginning to sound like long-time buried treasure stories? Well it is... but not made-up stories that he assumed are probably correct... he proved he was correct in the laboratory. He also published many documents which detail his research and discoveries. These are free to anyone who wants to read them. Is this chemical activity that Frank Reith describes the "phenomenon"? In my opinion it is the basis for what people call the "phenomenon". But I can't prove that, because nobody agrees on what the "phenomenon" is defined to be. What I can say is there are a number of physical consequences that occur when buried gold or silver begin to corrode and leach into the soil. These physical consequences are like secondary effects which will come when the original process of metal corroding begins. To me, there is no "phenomenon". The "phenomenon" was already proven to be false, along with the design concept of the "substance classifier". What Mineoro and Esteban told us about the details of the "phenomenon" was a big mistake. But there is something happening at the location of buried metal after it has been buried long enough. I can describe exactly what happens according to well documented real science. And if anyone has the intellect and electronic skills, they can devise real electronics to locate the areas where there is an anomaly that might be caused by buried metal. A warning about my next post: I AM NOT DESCRIBING "THE PHENOMENON". Even though there are many real physical phenomena involved in this process, do not degrade the work of these scientists by calling their discoveries the "phenomenon". They are real scientist who used real instruments to prove their discoveries are correct. They never tricked any of their clients or used any fake transmitters to fool people to make them believe that fake methods are working. My next post is focused on the actual mechanisms by which gold corrodes when it is under the ground for a long enough time, and how an anomaly is created a few inches below the surface of the soil where it is buried. It takes many pages to describe all the details of this mechanism, so I only talk about the parts that are important to a treasure hunter. But I will leave links that you can check if you want to know more about how it works. You will also see some information about cosmic rays and gamma detecting that Dr. Bickel taught me from his work in locating gold from satellites and airplanes. See the post below. Best Wishes, J_P
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08-28-2014, 03:49 AM
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Not the "phenomenon"
The "phenomenon" was proven false... there is no column of ions hovering in the air above a buried treasure for us to detect.
But there is something more valuable in the locations where gold and silver are buried. This dissertation is based on the work that scientists from the Australian National University in Canberra discovered. The soil is full of different constituents from various mineral materials to decaying organic matter. Living bacteria and other organisms are found in the earth soil at the surface and below, even at depths of several miles below the surface. This is where the story of long-time buried gold starts. Some of the microbes in the ground are able to live in conditions which are considered toxic to any living organism. These are called extremophiles because they live and thrive in these toxic conditions. Among these microbes, some of them can dissolve gold by secreting cyanide, which attacks the surface of a metallic gold object. The microbes, in turn can ingest the gold solution and carry their gold away from the gold surface as they continue on their journey through the soil. But they can also leave non-metallic gold solutions behind them in the soil, where they are free to mingle with other chemical ions. We know from the soil samples taken that the basic form of dissolved gold is cyanoaurate. And we know that most dissolved gold ions are associated with cyanide complexes which involve other metals and non-metals. Other microbes in the ground can convert dissolved gold ions into metallic gold. The microbes do this by transferring electrons (negatively charged particles) to the dissolved metal ions. That process, in turn, converts the non-metallic dissolved gold leaving behind solid gold deposits. When electrons are transferred onto the dissolved gold it changes its state from ionic gold, Au+3, to metallic gold, which has no charge. This transfer of charge is how the bacteria gets it's energy, similar to the way we get some of our energy from the oxygen we breathe in the air. These microbes live in all parts of the ground, but will grow into colonies in places where there is more metal for them to consume. They usually eat other metals which include vanadium, manganese, iron, chromium, copper, selenium, molybdenum, tin, and others. But if there is sufficient gold in their vicinity, they eat gold too. Of particular interest is the bacteria "Bacillus cereus", which grows into colonies in large amounts where gold is buried. Some mining exploration companies look for high counts of this bacteria to indicate where there is gold under the ground. But they are not the only microbes which dissolve gold or cause it to convert back to metallic form. There are other species including fungus varieties that play a role in this process. When gold is dissolved by a microbe, the gold may be many hundreds of meters below the surface, or may be near the surface. Yet the ions of dissolved gold slowly travel upward toward the surface of the ground. This transit toward the surface may take many thousands of years, depending on how deep the gold is buried. The methods by which the gold ions move are several. The most notable influence is the rain cycles which cause water to absorb into the soil, then slowly dry, which creates a moisture gradient that in turn causes a capillary action in the ground which tends to draw dissolved minerals upward toward the surface. At the same time there are microbes which have ingested gold ions and are also travelling through the ground. Their activity is expected to increase when the soil has a higher moisture content. At this point, we should examine what is happening with the dissolved gold. The amount of gold which a microbe can dissolve is an extremely tiny amount, due to the tiny size of the microbes. The amount is so small that the surface of the gold that was attacked does not even appear to be damaged. The microbes are eating gold at the molecular and atomic level in some cases. And along with the gold, they also dissolve tiny amounts of copper and silver or whatever other metals are alloyed in the gold that they attack. All of these metals become ions in combination with the cyanide that corroded the metal. In the case of gold, it is converted to the basic cyanoaurate. But because of other metals present, it will usually morph into a cyanide complex with several metals and more often, non-metals. One example from the Australian gold fields where gold is found in iron ore locations will produce complexes that contain copper ferrocyanide (Cu2[Fe(CN)6]) as well as thiocyanate from the sulphur which contains the gold ore. These are only a couple of examples of many chemicals that are usually present in these complexes. As treasure hunters, we don't care about such things as sulphur in gold ore, but it is important to know that even buried treasure metals will form cyanide complexes due to all the contaminates which are in the vicinity of the buried gold, as well as the other metals alloyed with the gold. These complexes of gold, cyanide and other metals and non-metals are free to interact with other chemicals that may also be ionized below the surface of the ground. The actual concentration of gold within these complexes is in the parts per trillion to the parts per billion range if the gold has been in the ground for a long enough time to allow bacteria to attack it, and for the resulting ions to disperse and begin rising upwards toward the surface of the ground. In laboratory test conditions small tubs of soil were seeded with gold-eating bacteria that had pure gold pellets in the bottom, and the soil was kept wet. At the end of a month they measured 30ppm of gold ions in the tubs. But this is rarely found in natural settings where the readings are usually under 10 parts per billion of gold ions. To give a frame of reference, if we take a sample of soil that weighs 1Kg and has 10 parts per billion of gold ions in it, the free gold ions would weigh 0.01 mg. Also note, that in natural conditions, the buried metals have had thousands of years for microbes to attack the gold, and thousands of years for rain cycles and capillary action to draw ions upward in a column above the buried gold. For large ore bodies, even if they are low-grade ores, the large-scale movement of trace ions can add up to large amounts of metal moving through the ground. Some of the largest gold deposits are believed to be secondary deposits that were formed by ions moving, and bacteria aiding in converting the ions back into solid gold of unusually high purity. Now we can examine the part of the ground where there is expected some unusual electrical activity. Suppose a gold treasure ia buried a meter deep for 100 years. We might expect that there are gold ions leaching into the soil and rising upward in a column through the soil above it. As the ions move upward, they eventually come near the surface. Then something strange happens. At a depth of 10-30 cm (4-12 inches) the ions become neutralized into solid gold, in the form of tiny microscopic gold particles. They no longer are ions. If these tiny micro-gold particles ever reach the surface, they are lost to erosion and end up in the ocean, or can be caught into the wind where we find the same parts per per trillion of gold particles in the air as we can measure in the ocean. But take note: The ions are fully neutralized metal particles by the time they rise above the depth of 10cm in the ground. There is nothing to detect after that. This means any long range detection is accomplished by means of the gold ions which are deeper than 10cm in the ground. But how do you ions detect buried in the ground? The way Frank Reith did it was to take soil samples back to the laboratory and use expensive instruments to assay and measure the ions. But we can't do that. We want a quick indicator now, not next week when the lab finishes their work. This means we must find another way to locate this area of gold ions that is not expensive, and can be done on the spot. What we are looking for is the treasure which is too deep to find with a metal detector, and the only thing working in our favor is if the treasure was buried long enough, it might have a column of gold ions leaching from it that follows a vertical path in the ground. So how do we detect a column of ions in the ground? If you read back in my explanation, you will remember that when a bacteria attacks the gold surface with cyanide, it causes an electrical exchange which transfers an electron away from a gold atom at the time when it is corroded, to create a gold ion (Au+3). This is an extremely tiny electrical event that involves only one electron. However, many gold atoms are being corroded by the bacteria and by its neighbors who are competing for some of the gold to consume. The problem is this electrical activity is too deep in the ground for anyone to detect. But now let's look at the other end of that vertical ion column... it ends 10 cm below the surface of the ground. The column may be 96 cm tall in this case, but in the top 20 cm (between the depth of 10cm and 30cm), the ions begin to neutralize and become metallic gold. We have the same amount of electrical activity happening for the gold ions that happened down below at the treasure, only this time the electrons are being transferred back to the gold ions to make them solid particles. But the amount of electrical activity is the same as when the gold dissolved. The nice part is this activity is happening in a cylinder that is 20cm tall and buried only 10 cm deep -- much closer to the surface, and easier to detect. But still, how do you detect microscopically small electrical events like this --- and from a distance? Let's look closer at the ions neutralizing within this 20 cm tall cylinder of soil: Below 30cm, the gold ions are moving either in the bodies of microbes or travelling through the soil as free ions, attaching to various cyanide complexes in combination with other metal ions. There is not much measurable electrical activity going on here. But when they enter this 20 cm cylinder area near the surface, the ions begin to pick up extra electrons and become stable metallic gold particles. This does not happen all of a sudden. A gold ion may pick up an electron and become a particle, then revert back to an ion several times before it finally becomes a metallic gold particle permanently. Also note that a gold ion or particle may take several years travelling through the 20cm cylinder of soil before it reaches the top where it becomes permanently a gold particle. This means a single gold ion in this region may have several electrical events before it becomes a stable neutral particle. The visibility of a single gold ion thus becomes multiplied to appear as more electrical events than a single ion which only changes to a metal particle one time. Now let's look at the gold ion population in this 20 cm active cylinder of soil: First, take note that the ions in this active area are dispersed so they are spread out throughout the cylinder of soil soil, where they represent a large area and volume rather than a small volume such as we see in the actual buried treasure metal. This, in effect makes the detectable area appear larger than the treasure you are hunting for. Suppose the 20cm length cylinder has a diameter which makes the soil inside weigh exactly 1kg. If the ion concentration is 1 part per billion, then we have .001 mg of gold ions in the cylinder that are in the process of becoming neutralized. This process of becoming neutralized is more complex than is immediately apparent. It is a very slow process which is very easy to upset. In fact there is an equilibrium established for ions becoming neutral, and for metal particles returning from neutral to the ion state. And there is also a gradient whereby we find more ions at the lower end of the cylinder and more metal particles at the upper end. Yet there are some metal particles reverting back to ions even at the upper end that contains mostly particles. And you can be certain that there are several species of microbes who are participating in this ionic activity, acting as a catalyst which helps to convert ions to metal, and metal to ions. The equilibrium of electronic activity in both directions within this active cylinder can be disturbed by outside influences, such as current flows and surges in the soil, magnetic disturbances, electrical storms, solar activity, man-made RF energy, mechanical disturbances, chemical changes in the ground, and a few other events which disturb the equilibrium of electrical activity. These disturbance can cause a sudden rise in the electrical activity of the ions, or can cause the electrical activity to diminish or stop. But after the disturbance stops, the equilibrium gradually returns to it's normal state within this electrically active zone. There are also many natural external influences which do not disturb the equilibrium, but help establish and maintain it. For example, there is a relatively uniform supply of cosmic rays which act as an ionizing force within the electrically active zone. Since they do not come in sudden bursts, they contribute to the steady equilibrium of the electrical activity. In fair weather, there are many other natural forces which also contribute, such as the normal telluric currents in the ground, and the magnetic field which acts more or less steadily on the polar molecules and ions at the time when they are making electron exchanges. Nuclear events involving collisions within the cylinder are also forces which don't usually upset this equilibrium. A special external force is the atmospheric electric field, which acts on this chemical/electrical activity. Measurements have shown that there is an average of 2000 amps flowing through the earth's atmosphere due to the voltage gradient in the air, which measures around 150 volts per meter altitude near the surface. This works out to about 4 pico-amps average flowing through each square meter of ground surface. This is a primary source of power that drives the electrical activity under the earth's surface as well as electrical activity in the atmosphere. The earth, being more negative than the ionosphere is leaking electrons into the atmosphere, which are replenished in locations where there are thunderstorms. This atmospheric voltage gradient and flow of electrons tends to keep the gold in the ion form, while variations in the atmospheric charge will have an influence on the equilibrium of the ionic activity. The influence from the atmospheric charge is not direct. There must be intermediary agents such as dust particles to carry the charge between the ground and aerosols or other debris in the air which can accept electrons. A good deal of this charge is transferred through the foliage - leaves on trees and other plants that collect dust and organic particles. Plants which have any moisture content are essentially at ground potential, so the atmosphere sees them as the ground, where charges can be transferred directly to the leaves or dust particles which blow onto and off of them. There are also some atmospheric conditions like dust storms that can cause the atmosphere to become very conductive, which will cause the atmospheric voltage gradient to drop much lower than normal. And, of course we know that thunderstorms can even reverse the polarity of the voltage gradient locally. But even in fair weather, the strength of the atmospheric charge does play a role in the electrical activity of the ions, and thus the ability to detect them. In any case, this transfer of charge between the ground and the atmosphere results in moving currents in the ground called telluric currents, which travel in subterranean paths at various depths. some of this current is involved in the electro-chemical activity at the treasure site, and has an influence on how this electrical activity occurs, including the alignment of polar molecules which are reacting. In fair weather conditions (without any unusual disturbances to the equilibrium of ionic electrical activity in the active soil area), we expect that the cylinder of soil would be making a very faint steady electronic noise, considering the 0.001 mg of gold ions spread out in the cylinder. An attempt to measure this noise would not show much other than electronic noise that is hard to find behind the background noise. We should also be aware that our treasure location is not the only anomaly where there is unusual electrical activity near the ground surface. The ground is full of buried objects, while mostly natural, treasure hunting areas are usually littered with all kinds of trash left by civilizations before us. Who knows what other metals are also buried and causing other chemical-electrical anomalies near the treasure you are looking for? And also be aware there are a number of natural sources of electrical anomalies, beginning with noise caused by telluric currents trying to flow through areas where the underlying rock formations change, and the soil conductivity and mineralization changes. Underground water, and locations where there were chemical spills also can cause anomalies. Locations where there are large deep plant roots, and even locations that were used to locate a privy in the days when there was no plumbing. With all this competing electrical noise, we need to find a way to measure this treasure ionic activity, and to know that what we are measuring is coming from gold ions rather than some other source of noise in the area. And we need to do this from a distance. This is where the secondary effects become important. The secondary effects are the interactions that the electrical activity from the gold ions make with other forces found in the vicinity of the ion column, and more importantly, artefacts left from the electrical activity of the gold ions. To begin, we need to use a technique to make the electrical activity more visible to electronic instruments. So far all we have is an anomaly of faint chemical-electrical activity near the surface of the ground. It is only natural to look at radio techniques, since we are trying to set up a remote electronic detection of the unknown electrical anomaly area. But we have no carrier wave to receive, only some distant random noise that is hard to measure from the background noise. So ordinary radio techniques won't work. Now let's take a closer look at this electronic noise that comes from gold ions at the treasure location. What kind of noise is this? It comes from electrons attaching to a gold ion, or from electrons leaving a gold atom that is changing into an ion. But this electron movement also involves a cyanide complex that includes several other chemicals besides gold. For example, sulphur, copper, silver, possibly iron and a number of other metals and non-metals. The electrical consequences amount to a lot of random noise in very small amounts. But remember, there are external forces that can upset the equilibrium of electronic noise to make it increase. Considering we have 0.001 mg of ions causing electronic noise, we could cause a disturbance which causes more of the ions to gain an electron, which would cause an increase of electrical noise at the time when the disturbance occurs. The disturbance could be from EM energy, a magnetic surge, an electrical surge in the ground, or a few other methods. However, because there is only 0.01 mg of ions, you must be careful not to make a disturbance so large that it saturates the ions and causes them to completely convert to metal particles. If that happens, then the electronic activity will stop and you won't be able to detect anything (plan to come back another day and try again). Depending on what polarity you like, you could make a disturbance that causes the metal particles to revert back to ions, and check to see how the results compare to the opposite polarity. In practice, it is difficult to choose what polarity you want the ions to move to without carrying around extra equipment to cause this kind of disturbance. The easier way is to use a method that sends the disturbance from a distance, and that usually means you are broadcasting some kind of EM wave. Already we see LRL experimenters using "stimulator coils" which are VLF transmitters that send ground-penetrating RF to the search areas. These have been reported to be effective in disturbing the electrical activity of the gold ions. There are also other methods that some experimenters use, which also involve other forms of EM waves and beams being sent to the search area. From what I have seen, not all of the pertinent methods of upsetting the equilibrium of ionic activity have been utilized yet. We also need a technique to discriminate the gold ion area so we can recognize ionic activity from gold ions and not become confused by ionic activity from other sources we are not interested in. Is there anything unique about the electrical noise these chemicals make when transferring electrons that would distinguish them from other noises we don't want to detect? A whole field of science says there is. The chemical reactions from gold ions and the cyanide-metal complexes have spectrographic signatures that can be easily identified when using appropriate equipment for spectal analysis. This does not have to take the form of laboratory spectrometers, but can be a smaller version built into a treasure locator. The signatures for gold ions and all of the other compounds involved in the cyanide complex at our treasure site are readily available online to anyone who wants to look them up. Some notes about misunderstandings from people who believe in the "phenomenon": 1. There is no cloud of ions hovering in the air above a buried treasure for you to detect. 2. The alleged "phenomenon" is not a high energy electronic activity. It is very low energy, as proved by the extremely sensitive instruments that must be used to detect it, and the tiny background electrical noise which hides the electrical activity of the ions. 3. Secondary effects can have a lot of energy, but not the electronic activity of the ions. There is not enough electrical energy in the 0.001 mg of gold ions to make any serious energy. But there are many kilowatts available from telluyric currents, lightning storms, magnetig surges and other natural forces around the tiny ionic activity. In some cases, the area of the ionic anomaly acts as an amplifier. Even though it is a small area of the ground, it can cause the atmospheric field to deform depending on what other em energies are present, and telluric currents can cause the detectable attributes of the anomaly to become more visible to instruments designed to detect it. 4. In my discussions with Dr. Bickel, he told me his gamma detector was designed to detect gamma rays that were given off from gold ions or atoms when a nuclide collided and caused a stable isotope of gold 196 to pass into his scintillator sensor. He was not intrested in cosmic rays, as he considered them to be noise. He complained about the noise in the atmosphere and said it was important to measure iostopes at only certain times of the day when the solar activity was not too severe. Also, he made many statements to say that he cannot detect gold until it was buried at least 50 years. He did not like treasure hunters, and he did not know anything about the microbe action that I described above, because it was not discovered yet. From what we now know, we can deduce that the nuclides which come from the core of the earth and collide with gold in the ground are probably colliding mostly with free gold ions in the soil, which have migrated and dispersed to a much larger area than the original gold ore that the ions came from. I would guess he was mostly mapping the locations where these migrating ion columns of gold are. But that's just my guess. Some links: Research document by Frank Reith: http://crcleme.org.au/NewsEvents/New...USIMMReith.pdf Microbes manufacture gold nuggets: http://www.geotimes.org/sept06/NN_Microbes.html Gold microbe science proof: http://aem.asm.org/content/67/7/3275.full.pdf Pretty pictures of gold manufactured by microbes: http://aem.asm.org/content/67/7/3275.full.pdf More pretty pictures of gold by microbes: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0802103513.htm Living microbes eating gold 3 miles deep 75 degrees C: http://web.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev32_3/amazing.htm 30 species of microbes help form natural gold: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...15_283189.html Dr. Bickel and his isotope detector: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=11342 Gamma spectra of stable gold isotope: http://www.radiochemistry.org/period.../pdf/au196.pdf This is where my dissertation ends. If you were expecting a circuit diagram, too bad. Go back and read the text and get some real facts that you can use to design your own circuits. In any case, hope this post helped. Best Wishes, J_P
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08-28-2014, 11:37 AM
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Hi J_Player,
Welcome back, you did a great job with theese posts. I can only add that no scientist has buried a piece of gold, he waited a few months and then made some measurements. Sounds very convincing work done by the bacteria but I'm not sure that their intervention is noticeable after a month or 2. What I think is very interesting and that struck me right from the start is the compass effect, that it can be studied without waiting for months or even years. I think the phenomenon is the result of a kind of modulation of the compass effect by the metal buried. Best Regards
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08-28-2014, 11:53 AM
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You are wrong. Frank Reith did. He buried gold in soil that had gold-eating bacteria, then he waited a few months and then measured the gold ions that were dissolved. And he also buried gold in soil that had no live gold-eating bacteria. When he made his measurements, the original gold he buried was still in the ground, but part of it was dissolved. But in the ground with no gold-eating bacteria, there was little or no dissolved gold measured. You can read about his work for free. He did not hide his work in a secret bunker, and he published reports about what he discovered in his experiments and his work. Here is an exerpt from one of the many experiments he did with buried gold.... "...microcosm experiments with samples from the three sites were conducted. The microcosms with gold bearing soil or regolith materials were incubated field-fresh, (with a living microflora) vs. sterilised (with a dead microflora). Water logged soil and regolith microcosms were incubated under oxic and anoxic. Aliquots of the waters were taken over time (70-90 days) and analysed for gold. Field-fresh microcosms solubilisation of the gold occurred generally after 20-30 days of incubation. Up to 3 ppm of gold in solution was measured in experiments where gold had been added as gold pellets. In sterilized microcosms, very little or no gold was detected in the solution..." The 3ppm of gold ions he measured 70-90 days later in this test is typical of what you might find in a treasure hunting field for long-time buried gold. This particular test shows that the gold-eating microbes were very active during the 70-90 day period when the soil was wet. He made many more experiments with gold he buried, and they are all free to read. About what you think the phenomenon is and compass effect, you are wrong. There is no "phenomenon". It was proven false by real science that showed the whole concept was wrong from the start. I think there are many physical phenomena involved, not a false "The Phenomenon" as Alonso and Esteban tried to convince us to believe. The compass effect I am not so sure of. I know that telluric currents usually flow in the same direction as the magnetic field lines, and both the magnetic field and telluric currents have fluctuations in their strength which might be confused to appear as modulation. Also, consider that the magnetic field is not horizontal unless you are measuring it near the equator. The direction of the magnetic field has a vertical inclination at most parts of the earth, which makes me wonder about the role of telluric currents, which do not show any vertical inclination. Best Wishes, J_P
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