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01-30-2013, 10:04 PM
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The proof LRLs really work
... seems to be still missing !!!
I wanna make it simple so anyone can understand it: There is a big difference a LRL proven works under the needed circumstances or even just sometimes and: the detection of objects is result by pure coincidence or chance! This issue we have to made glass-clear - this is the very first starting point! Per instance a pendulum: Attach it on your rooms-lamp and leave it alone: Does it swing forth or back or describes circles or eliptical moves? NO WAY! If there is no breeze, earthquake or a person that walks on the floor above this pendulum is DEAD mouse-dead! Therefore it is not allowed for any scientifical tests because the movements originate from its user, from the human body with its unconscious or concious muscle-energy (= ideomotor effect) The same applies to dowsing rods, as long as they are not able to move without a connected (holding) person. Dell Winders as expample can attach his wonder-stuff onto a huge rock and can wait forever until it moves by itselfs - good luck - perhaps a flash strikes it and throws it to the ground!  _______________________________________________ Because we don't need any paranormal interactivity - and this would be the case if a "sensitive" or whatever psy-gifted person or even medium is needed to create the "success". ________________________________________________ Let's take a closer look to the electronical LRLs we are interested much more anyway! As I told already, the first absolutly necessary and important step is to proof such a device is able to detect something and all at a real repeatable, scientifically and logically acceptable basis. We know already from the Mineoro device describtion (hunt from north to south etc.) that the "pheonomon" if exists has something to do with magnetical field distortion. (and we know also that Alonso seems to need some "cheap" tricks sometimes to convince people...) Anyway, this "does it really work at all" test is an absolutly MUST !!! Otherwise those devices find stuff by pure coincidence or better the user finds this stuff by his additional affords (with a real working metal detector) So with this question everything starts or falls down! btw. this question also decides if a LRL company commits a crime or not. They are allowed to seel a device that under certain circumstances REALLY works, but nothing else! _____________________________________________ Now lets take a look what kind of testing-situation applies, is needed for those electronical LRLs for getting real counting results: The most simple solution would be to test it at a site where it is absolutly clear that enough "long time ago" metal is available. !!! Per instant some ore-mines, gold-fields, older amusement-places where people lost alot coins, holiday-beaches which contain enough rings and stuff !!! At such places the LRL-producer no longer can come with its "the LRL doesn't work with fresh buried finds"-excuse. Oh what a pity, I'm heartbroken!  The next important thing is that the LRL really works at such a location, the result is clear and certain interpretable and many times repeatable. Of course we don't need just a repeatable signal, it also counts that at the located region there is indeed something to find. We need other precausions: A body-search of the LRL-practitioner is needed so he can not play cheap bags-player-tricks. Another method would be different persons have to dig the region, at best persons who don't know this is a scientifal test they're working for. A second security measure is that not just the "LRL-provider-person" detects with his device! He has to give his device to other persons and those have to be able to get the same beeps etc. from the exactly same place! This also will reduce or eliminate other tricks like rubbing plastic parts to get static signals. Now let's assume this test was successful. This still doesn't mean anything. You can throw the dice and say that the 6 will be visible on the upper side and it really happens - but not because of any magical talents, just by pure chance! The same way by pure chance could be a find located at the area the LRL has circumscribed. This area must not exceed a certain range because otherwise the test is useless! It's no big deal to find something at an area of 10 x 10 meters! The smaller the delimited area, the better. 2x2m may be acceptable, depenting on the probability to find something at the selected hunting-region. Finally all what is needed to repeat those tests until a clearly non-by-chance achievable result shows up! The percentage-relation also has to consider finds that are deeper than the "pinpointing usual metal detector" may able to find. But we have to be really carefully here, because after we have excluded all the other possible tricks this will be the No 1 weakpoint for all those potential betrayers and cheap trick players !!!   Their cheap excuse will be: Oh sorry, my LRL works fantastic, just the find is much deeper than your metal detector is able to locate it! But we are no fools to believe such naive arguments! Depending on the search-region of course there is certain probability the find is deep outside the metal-detectors reach, but for shure not all the time! btw. the LRL-provider will have a hard time first to explain why the heck only long time ago buried objects would be locatable! Because this argument may be just a very cunning protection-assertion so he can avoid much easier tests with fresh buried objects! Be very careful, those guys "are washed with all waters" as we have a saying here in Europe - to make believe their LRLs are real working! Because for many of them its their life-content, being the proud owner of a real working wonder-machine! Their whole self-image depends on it! Not for all - I will not diffame fair working people - but there are too much black sheeps in this area, too many cunning sharlatans and their only aim is to enrich theirself by ripping of "stupid" people! Be warned! This world is no childrens-birthday!  The displeasure, unwill and indignation of many of them concerning scientifical tests already is a huge indicator that there is something fishy! Many of them know they will not pass a secure test where they no longer can play cheap tricks! So they avoid them by all circumstances and invent unbelievable excuses! Fraudsters with highly criminal minds! From where to continue - oh yeah: Quote:
The gold fields of Australia would be a very good place because often the nuggets are just a few cm or inches below the surface. And those nuggets are still so frequently there for creating 10-20 tests at one day. BUT: getin to the outback could be a very expensive and also dangerous trip (deadly spiders, snakes and other animals, the weather, a long flight etc.) So we need at least some alternatives: Old battlefields per instance would be matching. They are full of lead-balls and if the LRL is capable in finding not-iron metal objects it has enough possibilities to detect those lead balls from a distance. The depth of them also is good, most of the time they are just 10-20cm deep and within the range of usual MDs. other alternatives?! I am asking you !!! I'm shure you will come up with some good ideas! You have to if you will finally solve this pesky LRL problem! Don't forget: All we need to know if it is works at all! And therefore meaningful tests are the only way! We have already some fitting but we can need even more! Quote:
Mountain regions too, if the steepness there doesn't negativly affect the LRL. Even old cellars, wine-hangs, ghost-towns, dry river beds - there are many test-locations possible! It's not a MUST to test the LRL in some australian ect. gold-fields. Even the debris of some old copper mines may work. If those tests would be positive, really positive, it would push the LRL business extremly, even if those devices don't work all the time (rain, snow, storm etc.). Otherwise the LRL-disciples can go to India into an ashram or built esoterical sects because no one will believe their as wrong proven claims! So I hope now I've made it clear, CRYSTAL-CLEAR: There exists enough good methods to test if this stuff works at all or not! And thats the Premise (precondition) #1 !!!! Does it work at all - YES or NO ???!!! As long this is not clear this whole LRL-jabbering is nothing than a childsplay with dowsing-rods!
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01-30-2013, 11:20 PM
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You have to ask your self, if you are smart enough to learn to use L-rods to detect Magnetic fields? Judging from the idiocy of your rant, apparently not. It's easy to understand that you don't want an LRL to work and destroy your prejudice beliefs.
Really, it's no loss to any one but yourself for any of your false beliefs. If you want to place L rods in a stationary vice that's your prerogative but it sounds like a stupid, awkward way of using them. Be sure you connect wires to the handles and hold the ends of the wires. A human connection is used to alter the polarity of the Rod(s).
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01-30-2013, 11:46 PM
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01-31-2013, 12:14 AM
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Many people think they dowsing and doing it wrong way, with ideomotor. are what many people almost everyone ..: Συνοφρύωμα: But there are people with correct dowsing where they can see only signals metals.! are two completely different things! 
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01-31-2013, 07:02 AM
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Does a compass need human touch to work? What is happening inside the compass needle to make it move? Back to school for you do not pass Guru status. Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroscope
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01-31-2013, 12:59 PM
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01-31-2013, 02:47 PM
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 How unconscious hand movement and self deception are somehow supposed to be related to magnetism, I've no idea.
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