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05-20-2011, 05:20 AM
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Gold Sample
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I have noticed that many LRL manufacturers use samples gold or silver in the head of their LRL. Specifically I have seen such samples at all models of Mineoro, in Iconos, in the Ver-Tex in Magic_PD etc. I would like to hear your views upon this matter. Regards 
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05-20-2011, 05:40 AM
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I have also heard of soldering gold samples in sensors for Mineoro and other LRLs. I also read about other LRLs that are a dowsing rod that has a sample chamber with a small sample of gold inside (like Anderson rod). And there are other LRLs which are a dowsing rod with an empty sample chamber where you are instructed to put a sample of the material you want to find in the chamber (Dell rod). The sample can be gold or other materials. My thinking is there is nothing from a gold sample or other materials that can cause an electronic LRL to find gold. Anyone who understands electronics knows this is true. If gold put into the circuit helps you to find gold buried in the ground, then every computer which has gold plated contacts will also help you to find treasure. But it is not true. This is only a legend that LRL manufacturers made to become popular to believe for ignorant people who have no education of electronics. My thinking is Mineoro inventors were reading the advertising for other manufacturers of LRLs. When they read that people put gold samples in the chambers for their dowsing rods, then they think it is a good thing to solder a gold sample into their Mineoro LRL, Why? Because they know some people will open the Mineoro LRL and look to see what is inside. The think that when LRL hackers see the gold sample soldered, then they will believe the Mineoro is working by magic principle. But the problems is... Everybody who bought Mineoro found out it does not find treasure.  So, when Mineoro inventors put gold sample inside, they prove it does not help to find treasure. Do you think this is another Mineoro trick to make people think they have a working LRL? Is it the same as the Mineoro tricks they use at the factory test grounds to detect plastic markers?  Best wishes, J_P
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05-20-2011, 06:54 AM
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Manufacturers know that the samples have no influence on the operation of LRL.
I am convinced that they know because in old LRLs there are samples comprised inside glass ampoule. A piece of gold or silver foil is visible. This view affects well fools who think that if there is gold or silver in the ampoule, the LRL will detect gold or silver. While the foil is cheap because it contains very little metal, it still costs money. Recently LRLs come complete with samples sealed in opaque ampoules. My friends have ever broken one such ampoule. Inside they found bundle resistors connected in series and in parallel without any sense of it. This misleading can be made by people who know that this is nonsense.
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05-20-2011, 09:12 AM
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05-20-2011, 09:19 AM
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05-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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Hi.
Ofcourse you know more than me, this is the reason that i attached this thread here. My PD has a sample of gold and it works very good (you saw the video). I made another PD with silver sample but it don't detect no silver no gold. So, what is happening???? Also i worked with another LRL who had a ferrite with 2 coils. This LRL detected a gold coin from 20... 30 m very easy, but when i removed the sample it stop to work. What was happened??? I can't explain it, but i am sure that it is not so simple as long as lots of laughter here... Regards
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05-20-2011, 12:03 PM
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I opened a Ver-Tex. Took at least 5 days to take off all accessories. I found 3 samples (2 gold and one silver) hidden too well. If it was to deceive purchasers would they place at point that seems rather a point where not being able to see it if not dissolve the device. I believe that something secret is hidden behind the samples Regards
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05-20-2011, 09:31 PM
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05-21-2011, 07:38 AM
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Ver-Tex Receptor first appeared in 1991-1992 from Thomas Afilani, famous for manufacturing the Electroscope. He is also famous for producing the DKL Lifeguard, which failed to work when he sent his best operator to show how well it can detect people hiding behind crates for Sandia Laboratories. He could locate the hiding person every time when he knew where he was hiding, but was never able to find him when he didn't know in advance where he was. http://prod.sandia.gov/techlib/acces...998/980977.pdf We also see what kind of electronics Thomas Afilani puts inside his LRLs in many of Carl-NC reports: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...pe20/index.dat http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...cope/index.dat http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...e301/index.dat Most of the wires are not even hooked up...! You look at what you see, and you really believe this is a working LRL? After we read the reports that even the factory operators cannot make it work for their customer?   Read Carl's report and see photos of what he found inside the epoxy... http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/escope20/index.dat It's a bunch of crap...!!  Tell me how this circuit can possibly work to do anything? Nobody is stupid enough to pay money for this after they see what is inside. This is why Thomas Afilani hides it in epoxy...! But maybe the Ver-Tex is different, and it has a really working circuit inside... Can you show us the Ver-Tex circuit so we can see how it works better than the other circuits Thomas Afilani sold? Best wishes, J_P
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05-22-2011, 05:17 AM
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Hi J_P. VerTex has more much wires but all are connected. I have not the schematic in electronic format so i must scan my paper notes. Maybe ... one day with more free time. But as i remember it works more as dowsing than as electronic LRL. As dowsing it was good, but only for objects on air.... inside the ground it had not results. A lot of work for nothing  , yes another fraud .But i will do again the question...... why this fraud has hidden so good 3 samples??? if someone destroy it, will see it is a fraud, so it can not be fooled by the samples. Regards
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05-29-2011, 04:37 PM
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05-20-2011, 07:12 AM
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05-20-2011, 09:11 AM
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05-21-2011, 04:18 AM
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Gravitational/Inertial Resonance
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There is a correlation with the molecular weight and an atomic inertial or gravitational "frequency". Very good dowsers can feel this energetic resonance that actually exists between similar gold samples. Research and theoretical work by Professor Helmut Mueller and his Global Scaling equations is touching on this. When the LRL user puts a gold sample in the witness chamber there is a greater "resonance" between him/her and any gold that may be in the vicinity. None of this is standard physics, electromagnetic energies, atomic particle radiation, etc. One of these days I am going to write up the research on this but right now I am too busy. I will not answer questions on this so don't ask. Do your own research. The answers exist for this very interesting topic. Goldfinder
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05-21-2011, 04:38 AM
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Its "Hartmut" Müller, not "Helmut", he is not really a Professor and he used his "Global Scaling" to steal Money from naive Investors.
Do your Homework and run this Article through Google Translator, its German: http://www.esowatch.com/ge/index.php...Global_Scaling Link for the lazy: http://translate.google.de/translate...Global_Scaling So, how trustworthy is this "Research" ? Its always the same: "Global Scaling" made 6 million Euro (and got sued), Steorn sells "Free Energy", some other People sell Electronic Dowsing Rods.
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05-21-2011, 02:48 PM
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pseudo scientific theory. He would probably also claim that he and his team have been working on refining this theory and have gotten incredible results but which he can't discuss at this time. 
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05-21-2011, 08:07 PM
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I doubt Dr. hung will evangelize this theory, as it sounds like ordinary pseudoscience. Dr. hung has historically only evangelized theories which leave room to diverge from pseudoscience, and enter into the realm of hungscience. So far, only Myron Evans and Damasio have been able to rise to the diety of the occasion, when they proclaimed new theoretical adventures which took him traveling through another dimension... a dimension not only of sight and sound... but of mind; ...a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. Of course Dr. hung was also successful at convincing a number of forum members and other readers to buy his theories by spending their euros to see his magical Brazilian LRLs find gold treasures. And they did see how good hungscience works. Today, after spending a lot of euros, we still found no signs of the substance gold DNA produces to coat the surface of the gold. Nor have we heard back from the Mineoro factory to explain how to make these LRLs work to find treasure like we see in the videos and at the factory demonstrations. Hmmmm.... Global Scaling... an investment scam.... "...GSDI Ltd was founded by Hartmut Müller with a Russian partner who remains unknown, in connection with the Yesilada Bank. Funds from the GSDI would be drained away to Austria... ...The activities of the GSDI in January 2011 led to a lawsuit against "Prof. Smith" and three other defendants in the District Court of Dresden. According to the indictment 2004-2009 they have cheated more than 250 investors out a of a total of six million euros..." http://www.esowatch.com/ge/index.php...Global_Scaling Wait..... Nevermind.... There exists a good possibility Dr. hung will evangelize Global Scaling...  Best wishes, J_P
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05-21-2011, 04:50 AM
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Geo is not talking about a dowsing rod with a sample chamber where you put gold. He is talking about an electronic VLF loop receiver that has a sample of gold positioned in the area of the receiver coil to cause the receiver to only beep when it is pointed at the direction where gold is buried. This has nothing to do with dowsing. It is an electronic tuner and amplifier/filter that is adjusted to make beeps when a signal is received above an adjustable threshold. From what I have seen so far, it does not work. If it did work, then we would see some evidence of it working. But we don't. Best wishes, J_P
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05-21-2011, 09:38 AM
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Personally I find these sort of LRL experiments to be of interest. There is nothing wrong with playing around on the fringes of science, as long as you don't get carried away and forget to do a proper analysis of the results. However, if claims are made for a device with a swinging arm, then forget it ... it's an obvious dowsing rod in disguise, like the H3 Tec gizmo for example.
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05-22-2011, 03:54 AM
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Not Dowsing - Very interesting!
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Thank you for correcting me. So There is a gold sample in the receiver circuit and you say it does not work, and it is not dowsing. I have run across this many times with other "exotic" (un-orthodox) circuits that do not work when really tested and there was some kind of hokus-pokus aspect to the device that supposedly makes it work. Still it warrants some spectrum anaylzer testing for example set up some kind of receiver between two gold coins, use a sensitive magnetic detection circuit and run the analyzer through it paces. Maybe even stimulate one of the gold coins with a frequency or a lot of frequencies. Might be a pony in all the HS. If it was dowsing then I understand the gold as "witness" idea and have seen dowsers find samples where someone in the group knows there it is. The real goal is to find those hidden zillion we all dream of. Goldfinder
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05-22-2011, 07:52 AM
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In many ways I think you are right. To begin, let's make a distinction between dowsing methods using samples and electronic methods using samples. In the case of dowsing while using a sample, there is no discussion other than the skeptical viewpoint of "trick of mind" and the believer viewpoint of "I saw it work". So this leaves us with a discussion of the electronic metal locators which use a sample placed near the receiver coil. Your opinion of this kind of locator is: "...Still it warrants some spectrum anaylzer testing for example set up some kind of receiver between two gold coins, use a sensitive magnetic detection circuit and run the analyzer through it paces. Maybe even stimulate one of the gold coins with a frequency or a lot of frequencies..." This sounds like an interesting experiment to me. I suspect that if you were to perform this test you would discover there is no frequency which shows any special resonance to any particular metal. But it is still a good experiment to perform in order to confirm that what I suspect is correct or is incorrect. I would think it is a good idea to place a spectrum analyzer in an electrically clean environment and see what kind of frequencies you can find with nothing there. Then introduce a signal generator and see what you detect as the generator is moved from 1 Hz to the MHz range. Then repeat the experiment again when gold coins are placed in the same electrically clean environment. Then we can follow up by placing coins that are made of other metal alloys. This should give some good information to work with for future reference. Best wishes, J_P
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05-23-2011, 03:26 AM
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Someone do the expt - plez
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I always like your thorough testing approach. Unfortunately, I don't have an spectrum analyzer. Anyone out there in detector experiment land w/ said SA and a little time on their hands would they run the experiment and tell us the results. If there is a pony in the HS we would all benefit immensely! Goldfinder
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nicely put jp
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