THE lrl test idea

[Funfinder]

Well my friends, seems you still have no proofs how and if those mineoros etc. work at all.

This leads to cynical and sarcastic comments and frustration, because alot treasure hunters would like to have some kind of lrl, but of course only if proofen working!

The key for testing if a lrl works is checking out under what circumstances it usually should work and recreate them.

Point one is "long time ago buried" - even if it's just 5 or 10 years.

So what must be done is to accelerate that whole process.

The very first important thing is making clear if a good isolated (glass, pvc) object (gold coin etc.) also is able to produce that "long time ago effect".

If not it is already proofen that there must be some kind of chemical interaction within the ground. metallic ions or rust penetrate the wet soil around the object.

And this interaction is possible to speed up by using acids or special chemical fluids that attack the metal-object much stronger and faster than rainwater in combination with ground-minerals!

Treat some piece of copper with hydrochloric acid and it will start to rust and build layers of verdigris immediatly.

Additionally use a very heavy lifting magnet near the lrl and see if it still detects the target. If not, different earth-magnetical situations could be the reason why it only works in some special countries.

But the most important thing is to find a way to create a long time ago buried object in a very short time!

Bury some big glass container or bottle, put some metal in it, soil and next some acid or whatever tries to dissolve the find much faster as under "natural circumstances".


Everything else is absolutly useless. Usually just a simple fresh metal object is needed to make shure a MD works or not! Our poor LRLs need old metal! So we give them old metal! Not natural one, but "high speed aged". And first "all kind of metal finding" lrls should be tested and not "limited to gold only" ones.


Of course this would only work with the help of already LRL owners but it would be for the benefit of us all and "if proven working" those who are built such devices would get much better business and their image of "possible scammers" would end.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

Well my friends, seems you still have no proofs how and if those mineoros etc. work at all.

This leads to cynical and sarcastic comments and frustration, because alot treasure hunters would like to have some kind of lrl, but of course only if proofen working!

The key for testing if a lrl works is checking out under what circumstances it usually should work and recreate them.

Point one is "long time ago buried" - even if it's just 5 or 10 years.

So what must be done is to accelerate that whole process.

The very first important thing is making clear if a good isolated (glass, pvc) object (gold coin etc.) also is able to produce that "long time ago effect".

If not it is already proofen that there must be some kind of chemical interaction within the ground. metallic ions or rust penetrate the wet soil around the object.

And this interaction is possible to speed up by using acids or special chemical fluids that attack the metal-object much stronger and faster than rainwater in combination with ground-minerals!

Treat some piece of copper with hydrochloric acid and it will start to rust and build layers of verdigris immediatly.

Additionally use a very heavy lifting magnet near the lrl and see if it still detects the target. If not, different earth-magnetical situations could be the reason why it only works in some special countries.

But the most important thing is to find a way to create a long time ago buried object in a very short time!

Bury some big glass container or bottle, put some metal in it, soil and next some acid or whatever tries to dissolve the find much faster as under "natural circumstances".


Everything else is absolutly useless. Usually just a simple fresh metal object is needed to make shure a MD works or not! Our poor LRLs need old metal! So we give them old metal! Not natural one, but "high speed aged". And first "all kind of metal finding" lrls should be tested and not "limited to gold only" ones.


Of course this would only work with the help of already LRL owners but it would be for the benefit of us all and "if proven working" those who are built such devices would get much better business and their image of "possible scammers" would end.

Hi Funfinder

I explain to you one simple test for LRL´s :

Large silver coin buried 30cm depth with SALT.

Large copper coin buried 30cm depth with SALT.

this targets was buried two years ago,and results with any MINEORO detectors are not good,i mean no signals,but i get 2m distance with the PD for the large silver and no signal for the large copper,unless if i put the coil over the target.

It seems the salt acelerate the process,note that i buried other large silver coin without the salt in the same time,and i get only 50cm .

[Funfinder]

Fantastic, Morgan, you had that great idea already before me. *cool*

Of course different kind of mineralic salts, potash or alkaline solutions also should work depending if it's the fitting metal.

And I guess it's already clear that metal objects that are buried in glass bottles, pots made of china or even tight stone graves without water penetration can not produce that long time ago buried metal effect even if those were buried extremly long time ago.

Because if they could every usual medieval gold coin would be detectable, too.


The question now what kind of conclusions we can draw of your experiments so far:

- silver get's stronger affected by salt than copper OR your pd is more sensitive to silver

- a strong mineralic (in our case: salty) and wet underground like alot beaches have is much better for creating long time ago buried lrl objects as almost dry and nonmineralic (this also could strenghten the credibility of that 2010 minero beach find video).


If you can recreate that 2m test result every time you want this is already an extremly good beginning! You can try if it works from all kind of directions and weather. If it works with strong permanent magnet nearby or large metal shielding beyond. At day and night and if some strong am or fm transmitter or radio runs nearby.

Next some easy recreatable and really all the time working circuit should be drawn and construction planning done if it is really the best idea having a handheld lrl!

I have my doubts. Handheld yes for long ranges, but surface coil could be better for detecting very small and deep targets. Perhaps both in one by adjustable fibre-glass stick or something that holds the coil.


Another big question:
If the electronical principles of your working lrl are derivated from mineoro why the latter doesn't work - perhaps because it's no gold or not long enough buried.

But if your working lrl is derivated from mineoro and working we can't say those devices are pure "nonsens". Perhaps they was developed just the "wrong way" - pushed far and further just for brazilian country only while completly ignoring worldwide compatibility!


However - Morgan, it's fine that those very good test beginnings are already made.
This really is a working starting base for further knowledge, improvements and tests.



additional info from wikipedia:
mineralic salts soluted in water creates electrolyte which provides much butter conditions to electrical and electromagnetical energy-flow as pure water or dry soil!

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

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additional info from wikipedia:
mineralic salts soluted in water creates electrolyte which provides much butter conditions to electrical and electromagnetical energy-flow as pure water or dry soil!

electromagnetical ? where on Wikipedia ? Link please.

[Funfinder]

it's german, didnt found the same info at english wiki
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineralsalze

If something conducts electricity it automatically conducts the EM field, too.

of course inducing strong VLF waves directly into the ground is much more
effective than with "air coil antennas" as long as we don't use high voltage.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

If something conducts electricity it automatically conducts the EM field, too.

Strange wikiscience.

EM field can not be conduced, but can induced (if changing) Wirbellstroeme in conductive Stoffe.

[Ernie]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

Well my friends, seems you still have no proofs how and if those mineoros etc. work at all.

This leads to cynical and sarcastic comments and frustration, because alot treasure hunters would like to have some kind of lrl, but of course only if proofen working!

The key for testing if a lrl works is checking out under what circumstances it usually should work and recreate them.

Point one is "long time ago buried" - even if it's just 5 or 10 years.

So what must be done is to accelerate that whole process.

The very first important thing is making clear if a good isolated (glass, pvc) object (gold coin etc.) also is able to produce that "long time ago effect".

If not it is already proofen that there must be some kind of chemical interaction within the ground. metallic ions or rust penetrate the wet soil around the object.

And this interaction is possible to speed up by using acids or special chemical fluids that attack the metal-object much stronger and faster than rainwater in combination with ground-minerals!

Treat some piece of copper with hydrochloric acid and it will start to rust and build layers of verdigris immediatly.

Additionally use a very heavy lifting magnet near the lrl and see if it still detects the target. If not, different earth-magnetical situations could be the reason why it only works in some special countries.

But the most important thing is to find a way to create a long time ago buried object in a very short time!

Bury some big glass container or bottle, put some metal in it, soil and next some acid or whatever tries to dissolve the find much faster as under "natural circumstances".


Everything else is absolutly useless. Usually just a simple fresh metal object is needed to make shure a MD works or not! Our poor LRLs need old metal! So we give them old metal! Not natural one, but "high speed aged". And first "all kind of metal finding" lrls should be tested and not "limited to gold only" ones.


Of course this would only work with the help of already LRL owners but it would be for the benefit of us all and "if proven working" those who are built such devices would get much better business and their image of "possible scammers" would end.

You're taking this forum totally off track by spending too much time on a simple detection system.