$60,000 Dowsing Rod to Iraq as Explosives Detector

[Theseus]

Warning!!!! One of the pictures you will be exposed to is rather disturbing. (But nothing you wouldn't see on the 10PM News)

http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/200...ves-detectors/

I read this and found it extremely hard to believe. But it is TRUE! It is also very sad, but true.

"This is not just fraud, its culpable involvement in negligent homicide..."

"That’s what junk science does. Its not simply a bit of harmless new age hippy nonsense, as some suppose, it kills people and it does so unnecessarily and without any thought for the consequences.

This is one junk science fraud where action needs to be taken, and taken now before any more people die as a result of British companies selling dowsing rods as so-called explosives detectors."

[Infamy]

LRL needs closing down, end of storty.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Warning!!!! One of the pictures you will be exposed to is rather disturbing. (But nothing you wouldn't see on the 10PM News)

http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/200...ves-detectors/

I read this and found it extremely hard to believe. But it is TRUE! It is also very sad, but true.

"This is not just fraud, its culpable involvement in negligent homicide..."

"That’s what junk science does. Its not simply a bit of harmless new age hippy nonsense, as some suppose, it kills people and it does so unnecessarily and without any thought for the consequences.

This is one junk science fraud where action needs to be taken, and taken now before any more people die as a result of British companies selling dowsing rods as so-called explosives detectors."

Very interesting ... and frightening.

Dowsing, ouija boards, table tipping, etc., can be harmless fun if performed in the right context, but knowingly selling fraudulent devices for explosive detection is a serious crime.

[Berti]

that's why there are so many soldiers killed

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Berti

that's why there are so many soldiers killed

It is my understanding that the Iraqi forces bought these things, and are trying to use them; with severe consequences. But the American General in charge of the US troops have warned them that what they are doing is pure foolishness, and will only result in more deaths.

It is really too bad this British company is taking advantage of the Iraqis like this, and apparently they are getting away with it. A small group of individuals are getting rich over this scam, while others are being killed and injured.

It's one thing to make these things in your garage, or basement, and take money from the Mike's and the Art's of this world; but it is quite another thing to sell them to people who are at risk of losing their lives while using these worthless contraptions.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Theseus

A small group of individuals are getting rich over this scam, while others are being killed and injured.

It's one thing to make these things in your garage, or basement, and take money from the Mike's and the Art's of this world; but it is quite another thing to sell them to people who are at risk of losing their lives while using these worthless contraptions.

Maybe difference is not so much.

If Mike sell his last property to buy mineoro crappy box, to find Big Treasure and entry big Richiness, he is dead man, no matter still allive.

[Infamy]

Originally Posted by Theseus

It is really too bad this British company is taking advantage of the Iraqis like this, and apparently they are getting away with it.

Sniffex Made in the USA

Here is a suggestion.

Stage 1 write to the distributors of LRLs, those that also sell metal detectors and ask them to stop selling these devices. Give them a couple of weeks to reply then forward details of all current supplies of LRLs to all the detecting forums through out the world encourage people to boycott these companies. Impacting the bottom line soon changes thinking.

Stage 2 go public in newspapers radio television and put the manufactures out of business.

[Theseus]

Here is a related site you might find interesting, concerning this same scam.

http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/

[Diohuni]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...71G3H120110217

[kt315]

Iraq police official charged in bomb device scandal
By Suadad al-Salhy
BAGHDAD | Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:38pm GMT

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi authorities have arrested a high-ranking police official in connection with the purchase of a bomb detector that the British government says does not work, officials said on Thursday.
Iraq spent about 75 million pounds on the devices, which are widely used by police and soldiers at security checkpoints and were meant to be a key defence against insurgents.
A series of blasts that killed hundreds in recent years had Iraqis questioning how militants got trucks, buses and cars packed with explosives through Baghdad's numerous checkpoints.
The government began investigations after reports the ADE651 bomb detection devices purchased from a British-based company were practically useless.
"Major General Jihad al-Jabiri, the commander of the bomb squad, was arrested five days ago," a senior police official close to the investigation told Reuters. "There are documents and incriminating evidence in the explosives detector case."
An Iraq Supreme Judicial Council official confirmed Jabiri's arrest on corruption charges but declined to provide details.
The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills announced in January 2010 it would ban exports to Iraq and Afghanistan of the ADE651 device. It is shaped like a pistol and features a swivelling antenna meant to point at explosives.
Iraqi lawmakers demanded security forces stop using them and that the government try to get its money back.
But some Iraqi officials have defended them, saying they have detected many bombs and munitions stockpiles.
Investigation revealed that Jabiri recommended that Iraq sign five contracts to supply security forces with the detectors for between 23,548.37 pounds and 34,702.86 pounds each even though the real cost of the devices is no more than 61.97 pounds, the senior official said.
The first contract, valued at about 11 million pounds, was signed in January 2007 and will be the first case taken to court, the official said.
"This is one of many cases that Jabiri is linked to regarding the same issue," the official said.
The inspector general of the Interior Ministry, which controls the police, said he investigated the detectors two years ago and found them "inoperative" and costly. He recommended that Iraq should not buy the devices.
(Writing by Suadad al-Salhy; Editing by Jim Loney/Maria Golovnina)

[Carl-NC]

KT, please drop your accusations against Ivconic... I see no evidence that he has anything but contempt for LRLs. Further accusations will be deleted and you will risk a "cooling off" vacation from Geotech.

You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

- Carl

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

KT, please drop your accusations against Ivconic... I see no evidence that he has anything but contempt for LRLs. Further accusations will be deleted and you will risk a "cooling off" vacation from Geotech.

You've made perfectly clear that you oppose any discussions of LRLs on Geotech. For now they stay, so ignore this part of the forums and move on with discussions of real technology.

- Carl

Thank you Carl that allows for the continuation of this forum

Regards

[Diohuni]

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[coae]

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

[WM6]

Originally Posted by coae

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

Buy one and go de-mining with it - You will become rich man (probably without legs but this is not ATSC concern).

[Geo]

I fear that you are a hypocrites.
You have problem with the failure of H3 and completely ignores the bombing of Libya.
Yesterday was Yugoslavia, now Libya, Greece tomorrow, the next day Turkey, etc
And your problem will be always the H3 or the dowsing method!!!!
What to say?????

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

I fear that you are a hypocrites.
You have problem with the failure of H3 and completely ignores the bombing of Libya.
Yesterday was Yugoslavia, now Libya, Greece tomorrow, the next day Turkey, etc
And your problem will be always the H3 or the dowsing method!!!!
What to say?????

Hi Geo,
You are wrong.
There is nothing wrong with the dowsing method as long as you are using it for your own personal use.
But when you force others to make their life depend on someone else's dowsing, then it is absolutely wrong.

Suppose I told you I can dowse because you convinced me I can. Then I told you I dowsed, and I used both an H3Tec and an ADE651 to make sure the mine field has no mines in it.
Would it be ok if you are now forced to plow the minefield and plant vegetables there?
All scientific testing on dowsing shows it cannot be relied on to protect people's lives from bombs.
Electronic bomb detectors are supposed to detect bombs. And these ones do not.

The sale of fake electronic bomb detectors has nothing to do with the fact that there are more bombings as time goes on.
We are a metal detecting forum that focuses on locating metals and other substances, not a forum that specializes in political activity to stop bombings.
This is why we continue to be focused on the problems of fake bomb detectors -- not the problems of world politics.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by coae

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

ATSC is the company headed by Jim McCormick who produces the ADE 651 fake bomb detector. This is the same Jim McCormick who was arrested and the ADE 651 was banned from being exported from the UK to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Apparently there is no law which prohibits advertising the ADE651 on a web page, as long as none of them are exported from the UK to Iraq or Afghanistan. If you read the web page link to contact them, you will see they do not say where they are located. I suspect they relocated their business office and shipping department outside the UK. This would keep them free of the prohibition to export these fake bomb detectors from the UK.

There are also several other counties which placed bans on importing the ADE651 to their country after seeing them fail to detect explosives.
But it appears there are not many restrictions which stop this company from producing and selling the ADE651.
The biggest deterrent in their path is the general knowledge people have from watching news coverage which shows that they are fake detectors.

You can look at the wikipedia page to learn the basic facts and events that followed the ATSC company, Jim McCormick and the ADE651 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651
You will read how many explosives and military experts all over the world refused to allow the ADE651 to be used in their country, and how several tests showed explosives could easily get past the guards using the ADE651.
You will also read about the news coverage which helped to spread the word to the general public that these dowsing rods do not work to keep them safe from explosives.

You will see at the bottom of that page, they list several similar devices being marketed in various countries, which include:
HEDD1 (formerly known as Sniffex Plus), marketed by Unival in Germany
Alpha 6, marketed by ComsTrac in the UK
PSD-22
and H3Tec.

What I think about this is the same as what I thought about it when I answered Rudy's post above.
Government justice departments are not very anxious to stop the producers of the ADE651 or other similar products.
Why?
Because the the places where these fake detectors are sold from are seeing profits which improve thier tax revenues.
And officials who buy them for their country receive substantial bribes which improve their personal estate.
You can read in the Wikipedia page how Iraq officials are currently investigating corruption surrounding the sale of ADE651 fake bomb detectors to their military.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by coae

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

If you type "ATSC" into the search function on Geotech, you will see that it has been discussed here many times already.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by coae

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

Why are you going around to all the metal detecting forums posting the identical message?
Are you a troll?