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Old 03-01-2006, 01:48 AM
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Some details more on Negative Ion detector:
555 circuit generates voltage pulses at an adjustable rate
of between 0.6 and 4 Hz. The amplitude is also adjustable
between 0.xx and xx volts(dependable on type of transformer), in
this case it should be over 15 volts.The highest pulse energy
supplied by the generator is limited to a value of about
0.5mJ when using 10/25 cap.More energy needs higher cap.
In this case it is limited due to fact that a dish is an
"open&free flow" element in present design.555 circuit is
used as astable multivibrator.Output freq.is adjusted with
preset 100K.Bc107 and preset pot.10K form voltage source. The
condenser 10/25 is charged via resistor 4k7.Amplitude is preset with
pot.10k. Output resistance of 555 with cap.474 cause tr. BC337
to conduct 0.5ms of time.Whole action is monitored by flashing led.
Transformer is small signal transformer with 1/1.5 rate. It also
present a typical band pass for only certain freqs.Applying
different transformer would change overall performance and it'll
need quite different design.Secondary output signal of transformer
is rectified
with two diodes due to positive polarisation of the dish.An 105
cap. is coupled on dish side to provide almost continous feeding
with very smooth droops, due to prevent phenomenon reverse "spikes".
A value of 105 could be debated.Also diodes could be reversed due
to reverse polarisation of the dish.Dish is choosen cose of it's
wider plane, also "cage" can be applied, for narrow plane.
Ultra high impendance input is used in a bootstrap manner.Input
resistance is is boosted artificially to a high value.The simmilar
second input is applied with a slice different amp.level.Both are
fed to a diff.amp, and only a slice drift occur on the output.The
rest of the stages need not to be explained and can be be applied in
a various diff. manner.The main idea was to offer a diff. solution
in matter of ions detection....
Now, about metal(ore,gold,relics) detection.
I can agree with J Player in question of efficacy of this design in
long range metal detecting.It still has to be tested. I can also
agree in some Esteban overwievs.I found very interesting that Anker
post. Many of claims in there i can agree with.
Lets presume that it can detect metal burried in to ground deep,and
respecting some claims from Anker's post it should work as well.
But still I can not offer any possibility of discriminating
collected "signals", only a primary choice of detecting negative or
positive ions defined in the design already. Does ions really carry
their origin, I don't know. I dont think so! Also I can not agree
with claim from Anker'post:
"Electrostatic, when moving , is like a radio frequency wave which has the
property of “carrying” various signals, such as: audio, digital information,
video signals, color signals and many others. Electrostatics is like a transportation..."
It is too good to be true!As a radio amateur for over 20 years i do have
some knowledge in that matters.Comparing electrostatic with radio frequency
behaviour....ts!ts!ts! A huge mismatch!!!
and another:
"This explains the substance classifier. When the negative “ion” finds its twin
of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensively, that when they get
together they provoke a short-circuit autodestroying themselves. As in the Romeo
and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of
poison near them; in the same way, our “passionate ions” also leave a proof of
their death in “emiting a crash”, which generates an electrical signal so fast
as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds , detectable in sensitive electronic circuits
and projected for this aim..."
Again not true! Ions have tendency to adjoin very fast, therefore their journey
does'nt last long! This explain short range detection of ions. Negative ion does'nt
need to find its twin by origin, only by polarity, otherwise polarisation and use of
dish or cage would be a nonsence, or in the present case, device should detect only
ions with Al origin(since i advised Al dish)!!! It's simply not a true!
"...short-circuit autodestroying themselves..."
In that case I am wondering my self about that telescopic antena !? It's gonna
get thin, melt and "die hard", very fast in front of my eyes!?
And so on, and so on. Enough theory!
I can fully agree with J Player's doubt. Let's build that device and check it!
Only problem is where to find a long time burried gold to check it!?
If we know where to find that gold, than we don't need a detector!Ha,ha,ha.
Again J Player noted very smart:
"What Ivconic told us when he posted the schematic is: "Only one claim:
this device at least do something, despite some commercial devices do nothing!"

Yes. I was affraid to be confused by others as a "beleiver".I am skeptic, not a
"beleiver", but still I do have an open mind for alternative stuff, only I do
always insist
on some proofs, double-blind tests...etc.LRL sounds to good to be true.
As a long time prospector I would like most of all that LRL is able to do what
some people claims. It will turn my prospecting in to a easy walk on the field,
and put some easy money in my pockets.Sad but true it is not a case so far.
But as i really do have an open mind i still grow hope that some day LRL can be
a reallity for all people not just for "chosen" one.
regards!

P.S.
This ion detector is still very interesting, and I would like to see some
mods here, esspecially on the second stage, where the output signal is processed
after the diff.amp. I think that part of design is poor and need some
improvements.Can anybody post schematic of buffer stage after that diff. amp
for both: audio and scale metter.FrancoItaly noticed that 1mF tantal and the rest
on the right side can be better designed.I can agree.Anybody has any idea?
(people! show some schematics like Esteban,not just retorics...)
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