Originally Posted by J_Player
This seems to be an interesting discussion: (OK, but why you need to revive Crypton fraud almost half 3 year after my post and after Crypton author cancel Crypton site?)
The question: Does alloyed gold or alloyed silver appear different to a detector?
The answer depends on what kind of detector is trying to find the alloyed gold or silver.
All gold is an alloy (as I mentioned in post it can be mixture too and where do you sort crystalline gold?)
We all know that gold is almost never found in a pure state, nor is natural silver. They always have other metals alloyed.
In California, Gold nuggets can be over 90% gold, with some silver and copper and a few other metals mixed into the alloy.
In other regions, the gold may be less than 50% pure for the gold that is mined. Of course, we know these alloys have different
electrical and magnetic properties than pure gold would have.
Then, we can look at the refined gold. We can buy gold bars that are 99.9999% pure. But they are still an alloy with 0.0001% other metals. So these "pure gold" bars do not have exactly the same properties as 100% pure gold. 100% pure gold does not exist except at the atomic level (it firmly exist in theory the same way like "working" LRL exist).
Can a detector find an alloy (it can, proven many times in contrast to LRLs)?
But for a treasure hunter, we are concerned if a detector can find a gold alloy or if it can find a silver alloy. We have this concern because we know there is no 100% pure silver or gold. All silver and gold objects we find will have some amount of other metal.
It is important to consider what kind of treasure detector you are using. If you are using a VLF or PI metal detector, then we know that the detector will be looking at the magnetic properties and resistance of the alloy. A good VLF metal detector can tell you when you found some metal that has similar magnetic and resistance properties as a gold alloy. But it is not guaranteed to be accurate, because the combinations of metals can cause a large range of magnetic and resistance properties for the alloy, depending on what metals are present and in what percentages. Most VLF detectors are preset at the factory to identify 14k or 18k gold, so if you have 10k gold, the detector may think you found a copper coin instead, or aluminum. PI detectors have very limited discrimination abilities, and we can expect them to perform not as well as a VLF at identifying what metal was found.
This is the reason why many metal detectorists dig everything they find.
They would not want to miss a gold ring that was reported as aluminum trash.
Can a long range locator find an alloy (it can, if you use it as metal detector, or, mostly, in wild dreams)?
But this is not the metal detector forum, it is the long range locator forum. And we are not examining a VLF or PI detector, we are considering the Crypton PDGold detector, which does not use magnetism (where did you take here "magnetism"? Are electromagnetic phenomena for you "magnetism") to detect buried gold. I am familiar with the principle that this locator works (despite you never take it in your hands . not to say have an insight in its circuit?), and I have already described the principles (based on wild theories not on scientific facts) that allow detection of long time buried gold. But for those who didn't find my posts, here is a short description of how the Krypton detectors find buried metals:
These detectors do not locate (huh, so it is not metal locator?) the metal, and they don't measure any magnetic properties (OK then - it is not magnetometer) of the metal alloy. The Krypton detectors measure very tiny electrical signals ("measure very tiny electrical signals", what the heck is this? are those tiny electrical signal measured according existing science, how? or according your new science?) that occur just under the ground's surface (name valid source where those tiny signals under surface were measured), and above where the metal is buried. A buried metal object will corrode because of the action of microbes in the soil that secrete cyanide to dissolve gold, silver, copper and many other metals. these dissolved metal ions slowly move upward (so, it has anti-gravity properties, new to me, but OK) in the soil toward the surface, and they become a compound (probably after they sense signal of PD electric stimulator? - i think vibrator could do better work) again before reaching the surface. The millions of gold ions give of millions of tiny electrical impulses as they re-combine (how long does it take that they recombine in soil, 3 days, 3 months, 3 years, 300 years - what do you know about chemistry of soil? please name proven sources of such constant "in soil ion recombination" that generate tiny signal out of soil) as solid gold particles to create micro-gold particles a few inches beneath the surface of the ground (assume to put LRL to work, it is enough to believe in this theory?).
The Crypton type locator (wish to) senses these tiny electrical impulses. In order to determine the difference between the impulses (impulses or CW?) that come from gold or from silver, the electronics can do that using spectral analysis electronics methods (there is spectral analyzer inside Cripton scam? waw, unbelievable, there are handheld spectral analyzers (>20k$) on market specially dedicated to detect percentage of gold in soil or minerals, but all works on touch with analyzed sample, no one at 20cm, 2m or even 2km distance as LRL scam are claimed - and they are based on dangerous radiation inside) . The silver ions make a different spectral signature (out of what? valid science please!) than gold ions as they combine to form a compound.
How do ions move from an alloy? (simply - you only need to heavy hitting soil surface)
So, let us suppose there is a buried ring that is made of 50% gold, 30% silver, and 20% copper. This ring is 12k gold. After it has been under the ground long enough for microbes to dissolve trace amounts of the metals, we will see there are gold, silver and copper ions that are dissolved in cyanide complex and other organic acids, moving upward through the ground. When these ions move near the surface, they will recombine to become compounds (nice theory, despite it is something that suit to fantasies only, Why do they not recombine promptly at target surface instead at soil surface) . The gold will recombine with another gold ion and become a gold metal particle (why not - all is possible). The silver will combine with often a sulfide, or oxygen to become an oxide, and the copper can combine with many elements such as chloride, or sulfate, and others (and all those ions wait at long trip to surface to start with combinations? why not a little earlier instead?) . At the moment each ion of each of these metals combine, they send out a small electrical signal (oh yea, they all have their own walkie-talkie). This is what is (wished to be) detected by this kind of detector.
If the detector is adjusted to register only the gold ions (those adjusting depend on exaggerated pocket money ions of naive buyers) , then it will ignore the silver and copper ions (of course they are normally to cheap ions). But you will find the gold alloys (as J_P guarantee). The same is true if the detector is adjusted to register only the copper or silver ions. What a beautiful world!
Now, I am familiar (me to) with machines that work very well (apart that they "work very well" they are not able to find gold or silver on regular basis except by coincidence, but this is same to what I can find by using my bare middle finger only and for free) to accomplish this task. and even the best machines depend on the right conditions (which are never right) must exist. For example, there must be microbes in the ground (scientifically proven, microbes are all around in the ground) that dissolve the gold, silver or whatever metal you are looking for.
Also, these ions must not be in a location that has heavy electric or magnetic activity in the soil (of course and grass should not be green, but purple) . Any heavy electric or magnetic activity can cause the ions to all combine into compounds (so now we know why no LRL are able to detect gold, this why dowsers always take metal detectors with and generate by it heavy electric and magnetic activity), so there are no remaining signals (again: what sort of signals, shape, frequency, amplitude modulations etc?) from ions.
The principle in these detectors often includes a very weak electric or magnetic (you first say it is nothing about magnetism with such LRL) stimulator (great name - wish to have one, it could be used as spare pacemaker) to cause some of the ions in the path to increase their chemical-electrical (whence chemical now?) activity while you are pointing (at what distance) the sensing coil at the area of the target.
Disclaimer
Finally, I have never used a Crypton locator (evidently). From what I know about their circuitry (evidently nothing), they are very finely tuned to accomplish (pockets of naive buyers) what I described above. But also remember the caveats I mentioned above. Since I have not used this locator, I cannot say it works (I can 100% assure you that it works, but despite it works it cannot find gold or any precious metal, not to say at even small distance). I have seen a number of similar machines which work very well ( I am sure it works but at the same time all those machines are not able to find gold or something valuable), but when you take them to locations that have different soil chemistry, or different magnetic field properties, they sometimes will not work, unless you return them to the location where they were calibrated (knowing that all Earth locations are continuously changed, it is clear that such dependable locations is not existing, as well gold finding LRL is not existing).
My point is that the properties of the alloys of gold and silver will make a big difference when you use a VLF or PI detector, but when you are using a long range locator that is sensing ions making chemical changes, then the alloy does not matter, as long as there are enough ions in the soil to measure.
Good point, but as you say it "does no matter" for practical mean.
All your theories are quasi scientific fantasies, wrong compounded under surface from different scientific ions escaped from its basis, at the best.
All so called LRLs are dream-work at the best, but mostly scam devices build to find gold in pockets of naive buyers.
Best Wishes,
J_P
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