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Originally Posted by FrancoItaly
Hi All
I open this new thread to take stock of the situation. I appeal to all those who believe in the "phenomenon" and who want to contribute with ideas and projects. The starting point is that the phenomenon is as real as can testify Esteban, Morgan, Geo, Andreas, Hung, Nicolas and others, including myself. Who does not believe in the "phenomenon" is please do not post. Thanks to Andreas that reminded me of the work of Louis Rota and remembering the gun isotopes of Dr. Bickel and other scientists who have studied this phenomenon, I think it's plausible the idea that cosmic rays have a crucial role. They have a high energy and can easily penetrate into the soil. Buried metals absorb this energy and it accumulates over time and is emitted from the metals. Each metal transforms this energy according to its atomic composition and so there is a "signature" of each metal that emits this energy. In addition, this energy propagates north south axis and this indicates that importance of Earth's magnetic field, which drives this energy. Probably the phenomenon has high energy but our Lrls reveal only a "secondary energy" in the PD Alonzo the ferrite coil is affected by a variation of the magnetic field, in Crypton Andreas there are infrared radiation, in my LRL there are variations of the electric field. We can build an LRL that simultaneously measure changes in the magnetic field, in the electric field and infrared radiation and compare the values. In this way, perhaps it is possible to distinguish between metals and eliminate noise (sky and compass effect). Another way can be to find the main energy, probably in the microwave and even higher up, such as gamma rays, but at these frequencies we hobbyists can do little.
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Hi Franco,
I have seen this same discussion asking how does the LRL detect long-time buried metals since 2006 when I asked these questions in this forum.
I remember conceding to Carl that buried gold is no different than fresh gold in the air. But I was wrong.
New information has proven that long-time buried gold is not the same.
In the past 8 years, we have received many answers, usually conclusions that treasure hunters made based on their experiences when using electronic and dowsing gizmos they take to the field for treasure hunting adventures. Now you are asking specific questions that are focused on the "phenomenon", which is a nebulous thing that has never been defined succinctly.
Think about it... the "phenomenon" is a word that was first introduced by Alonso and Damasio at Mineoro, and was further promoted here by Esteban, Alonso-s nephew. But they never gave a scientific explanation of what the "phenomenon" actually is. They only described fragmented details to explain what they were talking about. Then they claimed to have invented a "substance classifier"...
According to Mineoro:
"...that is to say, a device which has the ability to "filter" just the "ion" or "ions" we needed to produce the phenomenom of "micro crash", "nano crash"or below. After years of researching and field experiences , it was born. It was invented not just as a classifier - "filter", but as a generator of positive "ions", receiver of negative "ions" in order to the short-circuit occur , and generator of electrostatic. Through electrostatic , the "ions" walk long distances , as if along an "invisible wire"...
... The "ion" itself generates that transporting energy. This explains the substance classifier. When the negative "ion" finds its twin of opposite polarity, they love each other so intensively, that when they get together they provoke a short-circuit autodestroying themselves. As in the Romeo and Juliet movie, both of them die, but the proof of their death is a flask of poison near them; in the same way, our "passionate ions" also leave a proof of their death in "emiting a crash", which generates an electrical signal so fast as nano, pico, femto or atto seconds, detectable in sensitive electronic circuits and projected for this aim. The classifier just filters the negative "ions", twin pairs of positivie "ions" produced by the classifier. To this phenomenom, Alonso (60) and Damásio (70) gave the name of "Substance Classifier" or just "Classifier". This denomination was necessary to differentiate from the expression "discrimination", commonly used in other systems of detection by electromagnetic waves. About the "classifier" it is good to inform that it is possible to manufacture classifiers for other metal and non-metal substances. It is possible to classify blood in its kinds; plants and its kinds; drugs and its kinds, etc. at long distance. That is why we announced in the media that we are talking about " A MODERN INVENTION".
Note that in the Mineoro text, they say "the phenomenon of "micro crash", "nano crash"or below". So they are saying the the "phenomenon" is an electronic noise made by an ion becoming neutral when it short circuits with an oppositely charged ion. Then they go on to prove they don't know what they are talking about by publishing an animated illistration showing a column of gold ions rising into the air 7.21 feet above buried gold....
While the Mineoro explanation of the "phenomenon" does not seem very scientific, they are talking about ionic activity with metal ions hovering in a column of air above buried gold, which they claim their locators detect in the "substance classifier" section of their detector. However, real science has proven there are no ions hovering 7 feet above a treasure as they claim. And we also know the apparatus which Mineoro calls a "substance classifier" is a sealed chamber that could not come into contact with ions outside the chamber even if they did exist in the air.
So we have proof that the Mineoro idea of the "phenomenon" is not true. But what is the "phenomena", if not a cloud of gold ions in the air?
I read every kind of conflicting explanation from molecular vibrations in the AF range to VHF radio transmissions. Even mysterious signal lines that nobody has proven exist outside their own mind.
If a physical thing is real, then we should be able to measure it accurately and in a repeatable manner, even if the thing is small. Consider the extremely small RF energy that travels in long range data communications. Real engineers build real receivers that can always detect and decode these extremely small-power data transmissions without fail. And the results are repeatable, and the tiny amount of energy in the radio transmission can be measured accurately in a repeatable manner.
Have you ever wondered why nobody ever built professional grade instruments to measure the alleged "phenomenon"?
This alleged "phenomenon" is supposedly a physical entity, which must therefore be measurable, unlike nebulous entities such as a philosophy or a religion which cannot be measured with physical instruments.
From what I see, this entire discussion is to determine how to detect an unknown physical "phenomenon" using instruments which are specialized for detecting precise frequencies with very narrow bandwidths, and often have adjustable controls to keep the tuning within the desired narrow band range.
What is missing?
Shouldn't a designer know what he is trying to detect before he builds an instrument to detect it?
Wouldn't it be easier if a designer would identify the exact nature of the alleged "phenomenon" before setting out to detect it?
Think about it... There are two approaches to finding a solution to an engineering problem.
One is to identify what you want to measure, then design and build an appropriate apparatus that will measure what you want.
Or you could not take the trouble to find out what you want to measure, and spend years of trial and error with hopes that you might accidentally stumble onto something that works. And still not know exactly what you are measuring.
This raises the question: But what is the "phenomenon", anyway?
The people who describe it say it is an area where a long time buried treasure that is measurable.
The confusion starts when we hear all kinds of unfounded stories, such as clouds of metal ions rising up into the air, ions shooting in a signal line, molecular vibrations etc. These explanations are generally in conflict with each other, so the reader has to decide which theory he will believe before he sets out to make any experiments. And most of these alleged properties of the "phenomenon" have been proven to be false by real engineers who use real instruments to measure what the hobbyist claims is happening at the location of the alleged "phenomenon". This immediately shows that most of these theories are proven pseudoscience that some hobbyist just made up because he assumed his idea is correct, without making a proper test and see if he is right or not.
Now, if most of the theories we read about the "phenomenon" are proven false, then how can we know what the "phenomenon" is?
After all, we see some positive results from many people who claim to find the "phenomenon". How can we find out what it actually is?
The answer to that question was already provided a number of years ago by an Australian researcher who discovered there are many mechanisms under the ground that move gold around. We also have a large body of claims from metal detectorists who claim they experienced a "halo" effect which is described to be very similar to some descriptions of the "phenomenon". The detectorists never could prove their experience was real, because any attempt to dig the dirt from the treasure area was observed to destroy the "halo" effect. But The Australian researcher Frank Reith did prove what he discovered. He used expensive scientific instruments in a university laboratory to show positive proof that he found gold ions moving in the ground, sometimes creating new nuggets in locations where they didn't exist before. His proof of his discoveries was not necessary to launch the commercial branch of his organization to become a multi-million dollar international company. He only needed to tell the field technicians a method to measure metal ions in the ground. His proof is only valuable to researchers who want to know how subterranean ions are able to move and become detectable.
Frank Reith's work was focused on determining where metal and ore is located by measuring the trace ions which he dug from test pits usually around mine locations, or in agricultural areas. As treasure hunting hobbyists, we can look at his work and we will immediately discover that he has mapped out many chemical reactions which happen under the ground, with detailed explanations of how these reactions will decompose gold and other metals, and transport them to other locations, over long periods of time.
Is this beginning to sound like long-time buried treasure stories? Well it is... but not made-up stories that he assumed are probably correct... he proved he was correct in the laboratory.
He also published many documents which detail his research and discoveries. These are free to anyone who wants to read them.
Is this chemical activity that Frank Reith describes the "phenomenon"? In my opinion it is the basis for what people call the "phenomenon".
But I can't prove that, because nobody agrees on what the "phenomenon" is defined to be.
What I can say is there are a number of physical consequences that occur when buried gold or silver begin to corrode and leach into the soil. These physical consequences are like secondary effects which will come when the original process of metal corroding begins. To me, there is no "phenomenon". The "phenomenon" was already proven to be false, along with the design concept of the "substance classifier". What Mineoro and Esteban told us about the details of the "phenomenon" was a big mistake.
But there is something happening at the location of buried metal after it has been buried long enough.
I can describe exactly what happens according to well documented real science.
And if anyone has the intellect and electronic skills, they can devise real electronics to locate the areas where there is an anomaly that might be caused by buried metal.
A warning about my next post: I AM NOT DESCRIBING "THE PHENOMENON".
Even though there are many real physical phenomena involved in this process, do not degrade the work of these scientists by calling their discoveries the "phenomenon". They are real scientist who used real instruments to prove their discoveries are correct. They never tricked any of their clients or used any fake transmitters to fool people to make them believe that fake methods are working.
My next post is focused on the actual mechanisms by which gold corrodes when it is under the ground for a long enough time, and how an anomaly is created a few inches below the surface of the soil where it is buried. It takes many pages to describe all the details of this mechanism, so I only talk about the parts that are important to a treasure hunter. But I will leave links that you can check if you want to know more about how it works. You will also see some information about cosmic rays and gamma detecting that Dr. Bickel taught me from his work in locating gold from satellites and airplanes. See the post below.
Best Wishes,
J_P