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Old 08-13-2010, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by J_Player View Post
A good MD would be helpful too.
Have you ever tried the new White's Spectra V3i or DFX 300? These are awesome for finding the goods.
If you want deeper range to find an iron box full of coins, how about the White’s TM 808, or Lorenz Deepmax X3, or the Pulse Star II Pro with a 1 meter coil?
Sure, they can't find a coin from a mile away, but they are successful at locating a buried iron box without making random beeps.

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J_P
How many beeps do you think it's required to find a spot... when you are already in the spot and only needs the location? One million?

With all that 'inconsistent' beepings as you say gaucho perfectly reached the site and even dug the hole...
I already explained the beeping case and what's going on. There is no inconsistency at all, so I will not waste my time going into this explanation again.

I would like however to place some coments about your words concerning the ordinary metal detectors you named.

First point they are obsolete technology.

Metal detector technology as it is today, that is, speaking of ordinary ones, is more than 100 years old now. And today they offer the same kind of concept, independent of being BF0, VLF, PI, etc. looking for changes in magnetic field and conducting metals after a first magnetic field is applied.

I can build a box out of paper. Then I move to wood, then to plastic and as years go by, with new discoveries in leagues, resins and materials, it can be made of plastic, fiberglass, aluminum, etc. No matter how sofisticated that is, it's still a.... BOX.
So, in sum... No matter how these MDs are offered today in terms of fancy looking and parlor shop effects, they still employ over a century year old concept by the manufacturers.
I won't go here in deeper coments on how I think they fool people into thinking they are getting the latest technologies, when the real technologies are being exclusively used by the military or independent researcherers, and making these consumers think they are getting one hell of a deal using those fancy craps for coin hunt at the beach when the toys reach the 'unbelievable' depth of 10 inches for instance. But this is my personal opinion, no discussion about it.
OK, I might be exagerating as there's some inovation goin on despite of being the same old, old concept.
Devices such a s Jeohunter and Golden King, also offer algorithms and DSP which allow to determine target types, depth and 3d images with accuracy. That's good and fair enough. I respect them and it amazes me that it required the Turkish to show the American manufacturers how to do it.
Their imaging employing VLF concepts is interesting, relatively cheap and offer a much better choice than the galactical prices of OKM for instance and that of fancy GPRs. Actually the GPRs being sold for consumers today are piece of crap. The REAL GPRs are being used by NASA, and those are the real deal. As always, the military and government have the priviledge...or waddayathink? But this is another story.

You mentioned white's TM808, The mineoro 08MI beats it hands down, even still using electronics of the 60's but the concept is highly ingenious, allowing caption of target field emanation from dozens of feet away. Just ask gaucho how many feet away he detected and dug a 15 feet long and thick gold chain.
Then the lorenz deepmax x3.
X6 is better with imaging algorithms, yet an expensive toy for detection only if you are over a target.
In these terms, JEOHUNTER is a much, much, better option.
Pulsestar II... good PI, but no imaging. And the other one you mentioned is just a fancy toy for beachcombers.

Again, this technology is obsolete. The military and independent parties are the ones who use the real deal.
LRLs do not require these at all. Maybe a JEOHUNTER just to check what they have detected. This provided the depth is at the reach of the coil.
LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

Sorry, but these are my thoughts.
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