Originally Posted by detectoman (Post 92495)

this semms cool, hi stebane my friend, can you send here or to me mp, these in the transistor version? and any tips on aproach posibilites for study aplications
thank
detectioman

Originally Posted by detectoman (Post 92538)

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92480)

I think can be useful for some thinks... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Seden (Post 92648)

Esteban,

This is interesting, I'd like to see a transistor version. I see Robert is back on the Forum incognito.

Randy

Originally Posted by Seden (Post 92648)

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92654)

:lol:

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92635)

Dman, Hung, Michael and Jimmy, info was sent.

Originally Posted by michael (Post 92697)

Hi all and especially you; Esteban.
Thank you man for your concern and regard. I received them and really appreciate your favors.
But question; Can this device be useful for THing? e.g. more than PD? I know and am sure PD works as a LRL for a real treasure, how is this in comparison with PD? does it have any advantage?
have you ever made and tested it?
Regards.

Originally Posted by Max (Post 92675)

Seems also you belive that ??? :lol:

Why ???

Anyone could post elephants and nude girls in Remote Sensing! :razz:

Not only Robert ! :D

Kind regards,
Max

Originally Posted by Max (Post 92700)

Hi,
you know PD works ? :lol:

Did you find anything with it... or it's just that you think it works but found nothing, actually ? :D

Have you performed a double-blind test with PD ? :rolleyes:

Kind regards, Max

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92702)

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Originally Posted by Seden (Post 92703)

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Yep sure is the same M.O. as Robert. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck. What else am I to believe here? At least he's not Albanian, we'll give him credit for that!:lol:

Randy

Originally Posted by michael (Post 92720)

Hi, Yes Max, I'm sure and sure more than what you can imagine.
you point to double blind test, OK, test for what? a fresh buried target? no, this is not the case.
we are talking about treasure, OK? and here in our scope we regard a treasure as a big and very old buried precious metal.
it's entirely different than a fresh small piece buried.
for 3 located points of big treasure here (with our unique PI; MDL) I checked all locations with PD.
I set PD hundreds meters away the locations when reached near them, got clear signal that made it beep crazily.
yes it works, but depends on what you expect; find a lost gold earring, ring, coin,.... or no find a real treasure, yes, a real treasure; trove,..... these behave in another manner.
of course I have previously put some parts of my personal experiences in forum and seems you were ignorant about them
one here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15242 # 10 & 14 and other posts which I don't remember now.
again repeat ; PD is good for monitoring an area and find hot places, but pinpointing is impossible with it especially for big deep treasures.
if you want, can laugh, is up to you.:D

Originally Posted by Max (Post 92728)

Locate hot area maybe ? Are you sure it can really do ?

Max

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92480)

I think can be useful for some thinks... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92635)

Dman, Hung, Michael and Jimmy, info was sent.

Originally Posted by Seden (Post 92703)

Of course, you're not RObert... maybe a copy...

:razz:

Yep sure is the same M.O. as Robert. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck. What else am I to believe here? At least he's not Albanian, we'll give him credit for that!:lol:

Randy

Originally Posted by Fred (Post 92739)

Interesting.
No relation with MD or LRL or PD , but cool :D .
Here more info:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...e-spectrometer
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~derose/labs/exp5.html

Some could put their head inside and try to find anomalies...

Originally Posted by Esteban

Of course, apparently no relation with PD... but you're sure? :lol:

Originally Posted by Caltech - physics department

The magnet has been modified and adjusted to produce a highly homogeneous magnetic field over a relatively large volume (~1.5 cm^3) at the center of the gap. This has required using high-purity low-remanence iron for the pole-pieces, and finishing the faces flat to optical tolerances (~1-2 wavelengths). The pole-pieces have not been rigidly attached to the main magnet H-frame, realistic machining tolerances making this impractical. Instead a Neoprene rubber (0.8 mm) spacer has been inserted between each pole-piece and the frame. Careful adjustment of the three fixing screws for each pole-piece varies the compression of the Neoprene so that the pole faces may be adjusted to be precisely parallel, thus maximizing the volume of best field homogeneity. A field homogeneity better than 1 part in 10,000 over a volume of ~2 cm^3 has been achieved.

A sample coil is mounted centrally in the gap of the magnet. A short length of NON-MAGNETIC low-capacity coaxial cable is used for connection to the electronics chassis.

Originally Posted by J_Player (Post 92750)

Hi Esteban,
Yes, I am sure.
If you read the articles, they are talking about the methods of measuring the spectrum of nuclear magnetic resonance for different samples placed inside a testing machine. The testing machine will not work without building it to some very close tolerances:
The sample to be tested is inserted between the pole pieces of an electromagnet that has been adjusted by three setscrews to produce an extremely homogenous field in a space of 2 cubic centimeters where the sample is placed.

When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

Best wishes,
J_P

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92754)

For example, the MFD by Andy Flind is not for to locate treasure, OK? But with a loop and other few, this do very well, and also demonstrates that this old treasures has a strong energy causes that more one led of bargraph lights!

Regards

Esteban

Originally Posted by hung (Post 92741)

Thanks friend. You trully are a gentleman.:thumb:

Originally Posted by Max (Post 92755)

Hi,
you say that this project of Andy Flind modified works as LRL... and nobody else.

But you put that claim (as with others) and then gave no explaination, no modification plans, no testing procedure, nothing...

just claims. As Dell. As Hung. As any other LRL-fanatic but with add of pepper...

same stuff... but you also add some stamp-sized schematics... that's the difference! :lol:

That, of course, change totally my point of view about your claims... :D

Kind regards,
Max

Originally Posted by Max (Post 92755)

Hi,
you say that this project of Andy Flind modified works as LRL... and nobody else.

But you put that claim (as with others) and then gave no explaination, no modification plans, no testing procedure, nothing...

just claims. As Dell. As Hung. As any other LRL-fanatic but with add of pepper...

same stuff... but you also add some stamp-sized schematics... that's the difference! :lol:

That, of course, change totally my point of view about your claims... :D

Kind regards,
Max

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92761)

OK, but what are you doing on private RS forum? Here at eyes of all you are "civilizated", but in other part (more far of criticism by the skepticals) you mantain same hope...:razz:

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi (Post 92763)

The other forum is strictly limited to a technical examination of the PD, without the silly comments. But here, any old nonsense can be discussed, and extraordinary clams require extraordinary evidence.

Has anyone spotted that silver tea tray yet? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92765)

without the silly comments??? Do you're sure?

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92765)

without the silly comments??? Do you're sure?

Originally Posted by J_Player

When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

Originally Posted by Esteban

For example, the MFD by Andy Flind is not for to locate treasure, OK? But with a loop and other few, this do very well, and also demonstrates that this old treasures has a strong energy causes that more one led of bargraph lights!

Originally Posted by Max (Post 92728)

....So, how that's possible that PD works for you in a way different from Morgan or Esteban ?

Originally Posted by J_Player (Post 92781)

Hi Esteban,
I am not sure I understand you. Are you saying Andy's MFD modified with a loop and "other few" to demonstrate buried treasure causing bar graph LEDs to light is related to a laboratory test instrument measuring the precession of protons of a sample placed in an extremely homogeneous magnetic field? :shrug:

I thought you were originally saying the PD is related to the nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum measuring instrument which uses the proton precession method to collect data on samples that are inserted. It is hard for me to imagine that Andy's MFD modified, or the PD are related to this laboratory instrument.
Are they?

Best wishes,
J_P

Originally Posted by Fred (Post 92797)

For you Esteban,
A good electrometer ;)

http://www.cientificosaficionados.co...ofesional.html

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92796)

Originally Posted by J_Player
When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

***

Is a simple comparisson. Also the article by Andy Flind doesn't describe a method for to find treasures, is a MFD (Magnetic Field Detector), and here acts as receiver device. With some mods is useful for to locate metal buried for long time.

The ferrite part of the PD acts similar to the MFD.

I think is possible to modificate the Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer (MRS) as a LRL device. The theme is to found a sensor or antenna wich umbalance a delicate adjustment. The "phenomenon" causes for metal buried for long time can umbalance the equilibrium.

Originally Posted by J_Player (Post 92804)

Hi Esteban,
Maybe you're right.
But in order to show a change in the MRS tester, a sample must be placed in the test cavity to be excited by the precision magnetic field for the sample's precession to be measured. When the sample is not inside the test cavity, then it is not possible to see precession data of the sample. An antenna in the test cavity would only show the precession data for the material the antenna is made from. You think that when the antenna is placed in the test cavity and pointed in the direction of a treasure, then the antenna metal precession data will be disturbed by energy collected from the buried treasure?

Best wishes,
J_P

Originally Posted by Esteban (Post 92796)

Originally Posted by J_Player
When reading the text, it became very apparent that this equipment has no bearing on using an antique IB metal detector to find buried treasure, or using a passive ferrite coil with an attached RF detector circuit to locate buried treasure. The articles describe a method to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance of samples placed in a testing machine, not methods to locate hidden samples at long range with receiver coils. And the principle of operation is not related either, as it requires extremely high precision machining as well as adjusting physical dimensions to optical tolerances (1-2 wavelengths) in order to produce a extremely homogeneous magnetic field (better than part 1 in 10,000). Then it requires inserting a sample into this high-precision 2cc field to exhibit precession data when the field is removed.

Do you think any of this is related to the PD?

***

Is a simple comparisson. Also the article by Andy Flind doesn't describe a method for to find treasures, is a MFD (Magnetic Field Detector), and here acts as receiver device. With some mods is useful for to locate metal buried for long time.

The ferrite part of the PD acts similar to the MFD.

I think is possible to modificate the Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer (MRS) as a LRL device. The theme is to found a sensor or antenna wich umbalance a delicate adjustment. The "phenomenon" causes for metal buried for long time can umbalance the equilibrium.

Regards

Esteban