Originally Posted by J_Player (Post 143664)

Hi Geo,
I think this is a good idea to check if the chamber detects ions.
According to Mineoro, there are gold love-ions that are in the air 2 meters above where gold is buried.
Mineoro theory is that the gold love-ions make tiny sparks when they neutralize in the air, and these sparks in the air will send an electronic signal through the air to the chamber to cause some sparks in the chamber.
Then the sparks in the chamber sends a signal to the oscillator, which results in beeps when gold love-ions are near to the locator.

When, we look at the construction of a Mineoro chamber, we see it has a pulsed voltage sent to one side, and the other side is coupled to the input of the oscillator with a very small capacitive coupling.
This tells us that whatever signal that comes from this chamber is very small, high frequency, like a spark.
It also tells us that if the chamber actually causes beeps, then a small capacitance could transfer the signal to the oscillator stage.
In order to properly test whether this chamber does anything, you cannot use a simple switch, because the capacitance in the switch contacts might allow some of the signal to pass even when the switch is turned off.
Furthermore, the chamber might send a signal to the oscillator if the wires are completely disconnected from the circuit, just from the capacitance through the air, and to the conductors in the circuit board.

So how do we test? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/image...s/remember.gif

Here is how I would test it:
1. First test the locator with the chamber connected as normal to see if it will beep at some known targets, and mark the distance you can find detection.
2. Open the locator and un-solder the three wire connections for the chamber, then short all three of them together.
Wrap some tape around the wires so they will stay shorted together.
3. Put aluminum foil over the shorted wires... Make certain the foil covers all of the back side of the chamber and all shorted wires for a shield.
This will serve to stop any stray gold love-ions from entering the back of the chamber and causing sparks inside the chamber.
4. Put another piece of aluminum foil on the outside of the chamber where it is seen at the front of the box.
This will serve to shield the front side from gold love-ions entering the chamber and causing sparks.
5. Now turn on the locator and check to see if there is any change in the beeping that you tested before, when the chamber was connected as normal.

You could solder some small connectors on the ends of the chamber wires, and solder 3 short wires with matching connectors on the circuit board to make it easy to disconnect the wires from the chamber.
Then you can disconnect the chamber and reconnect it easily when you want to make more tests.
Of course, you will remove these connectors when you are done testing, and return the locator to the owner.
The extra trouble to short the wires together and to shield the chamber will produce a test that can convince me whether the gold love-ion theory is true or not.

Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143666)

Hi.
The owner said me he found many copper and silver coins. The coins was directly in the ground and was ancient!!! He did not find any object buried for less than 300 years. Because the loop is big, i believe that it will give better results at big objects.

Originally Posted by fmnotes (Post 143670)

thanks geo
a question
L1 is the market?
Can I buy from a local electronics store?

Originally Posted by putrechigi (Post 143671)

hi at everyone i hope this help to became a perfect pd
best reguards manolo

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143678)

Hi Manolo, how are you??

This schematic is from FG79A and it reversed and drawned by me.

Regards:)

Originally Posted by fmnotes (Post 143679)

Can you show me a drawing, photograph, to see about how it is constructed.

:)

Originally Posted by putrechigi (Post 143681)

hi geo very well now i find a job and i have a time to restart my passion oftreasure in the oter forum a people find a modification to mineoro and now he siad that work

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143668)

Hi J_P.

The problem is to make the Mineoro to beep at any known target.
Maybe today or tommorow i"ll visit some friends who have buried gold for many years at their house, so to see if it beeps. If it beeps then i will inform you and i"ll make the test.

Regards:)

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143691)

Hi J_P.
Yesterday i visited the home of a friend and i tried to locate with Mineoro the buried objects (copper, silver and gold) that he has at his garden. No Results. After it i tried with the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector and i located the copper and silver from 1m. So the phainomenon exist but is is low.
And of course Mineoro has not the ability to detect low signals:razz:

:)

Originally Posted by J_Player (Post 143693)

Hi Geo,
If Mineoro does not have the ability to detect buried metals in the normal condition as received from the factory, then we cannot test to see if it stops performing when you disconnect the chamber.
We can only say the Mineoro cannot detect buried gold, silver, and copper that other detectors can find.

But there is one other test you cam make...
Maybe you can make a copy of the transmitter that Alonso uses, and see if the Mineoro can find it. :rolleyes:

Best wishes, :)
J_P

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143689)

Μπορεις να μου δείξεις κάποιο σχέδιο , η φωτογραφια , να δω περίπου πως κατασκευαζεται.

Το δικο μου είναι 5mH αλλα εκέι που συνδέεται στο συρμα , Στα δύο κομματια χαλκου ειναι μηδενική η επαγωγή .
γνωρίζεις τι γίνεται εκεί ;
μήπως η χάλκινη λαμαρινα περικλειει το εσωτερικο πηνίο;
Παντως θα με βοηθούσε καποιο σχέδιο εαν μπορεις να μου δείξεις
ευχαριστώ.

Can you show me a drawing, photograph, to see about how it is constructed.

Mine is 5mH but where the wire is connected, the two pieces of copper are zero induction.
know what is happening there?
Does the copper sheet metal enclosed inside the coil?
However would help me a plan if you can show me
Thank you.

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143698)

Sorry for my bad english...:)
Λυπαμαι αλλα τα αγγλικα μου δεν επαρκουν για να σου εξηγησω ακριβως πως να τυλιξεις το πηνιο.

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143691)

Hi J_P.
Yesterday i visited the home of a friend and i tried to locate with Mineoro the buried objects (copper, silver and gold) that he has at his garden. No Results. After it i tried with the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector and i located the copper and silver from 1m. So the phainomenon exist but is is low.
And of course Mineoro has not the ability to detect low signals:razz:

:)

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143690)

Hi Manolo.
Who is this forum???

Regards

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143703)

Hi Morgan.
It is strange because the gold (2 chains) was buried more time.....
But as i said other times at Greece the phainomenon is not strong so the lrls don't work properly. I have buried some ancient silver coins for 20+++ years, the same for some (about 20) copper coins. I have not signal:frown:.
Before 4..5 days i had a PDK2 from a friend, i tried again to locate the coins with it but no results:angry:.
Remember Alonso when visited Greece, he did not locate anything.

Regards:)

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143703)

Hi Morgan.
It is strange because the gold (2 chains) was buried more time.....
But as i said other times at Greece the phainomenon is not strong so the lrls don't work properly. I have buried some ancient silver coins for 20+++ years, the same for some (about 20) copper coins. I have not signal:frown:.
Before 4..5 days i had a PDK2 from a friend, i tried again to locate the coins with it but no results:angry:.
Remember Alonso when visited Greece, he did not locate anything.

Regards:)

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 143708)

Hi Manolo.
I can't see anything and the translator don't work:angry:
Does i must register so to allow me to see the attached schematics ???

Regards:)

Originally Posted by Morgan (Post 143717)

I saw the forum,i can read spanish.

the modificated mineoro belong to our friend robalocarapanda,he said have foud 3 gold coins of carolus IIII,with the modification...

Originally Posted by putrechigi (Post 143719)

hi morgan you know this modification?