ok Guys stop bashing Esteban, he is giving out information about his experiences, thats all. Thanks Esteban for your information.
Esteban has built many pistols that he has explained over and over about how they work. What exactly dont you understand about the principle of operation?. He builds detectors that are influenced by the phenomenon of buried metals, NOT that he actually can measure the phenomenon. Instead of accusing him all the time, why dont you try to build a detector based on scientific facts which can be influenced by buried metals? Or by magnetic fields? Think about IR, Ultrasound, VLF TX and RX, radio detectors ......etc.......They are ALL influenced by some kind of magnetic or electric fields. Ok, esteban does not give schematics, that is his rights, but he is trying to give us many tips about LRL detection.
Thanks

Hi Astrodetect,
I make no questions of what are the secret pistol circuits that Esteban does not want people to know about. My question is why he wants people to think these secret methods are not esoteric. Esteban has launched a campaign to convince people that his pistols are not esoteric even when he keeps secrets about them.

The word esoteric is defined to mean "secret, and only for a select few who have a special knowledge". If Esteban claims this is not true of his pistols, then why are they secret? The apperance is Esteban has some motive to make a change to the meaning of esoteric. He leads people to believe his pistols are no different than ordinary VLF survey equipment, but it is not true. They are not the same as ordinary VLF surveying equipment. They are circuits he keeps secret to be used to beep at unknown "phenomena".

I have no interest to know Esteban's secret circuits. I like to look at his pictures. I think they are interesting. But I don't like when he makes false representations to change the meaning of words. I don't see why it is wrong to call his pistols esoteric. If they use secret circuits known only by a few, then esoteric is what they are. Doesn't everyone who speaks English know this? What reason does he have to change the meaning of this word? Does he want to confuse people who have difficulty understanding English when they read his posts?

Best wishes,
J_P

But regarding another post, J_P doesn't have interest... the crude reality??? :rolleyes:

"...Don't worry. Hangin' here a few minutes will make you humour return high reading the skepthics posts..."

What's a man without humour? Sad man. :lol:
We, The Skeptics, at least do have humour!
(mostly related to your - beleivers activities!) :razz::lol::p

The Hell! Life is short! Let's laugh anyway! :lol::lol::lol:

Hi Esteban,
The reason you don't like people to think your pistols are esoteric is because you don't want them to associate your methods with Religious currents, spiritualism, or philosophical currents?

I doubt most people think your pistols are associated with religious or philosophical beliefs. I have seen a few who make that association, but most readers are able to see these use electronic circuits, not religious, spiritual or philosophical methods. They are clearly secret electronic machines, not secret religious, spiritual or philosophical machines.

If there are people who actually believe your pistols work by religious or other similar associations, we will probably hear from these few people soon.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

Sorry but i think that you play with me!!!..
Ask directly what you want...
When i detected the metal door (2.5...3 m i don't remember good) the PD worked as MD not as LRL.
You know very good, that the PD at fine omega null, detects both ferrous and no ferrous objects. I adjusted it this way....
My PD will detect the shovel at normal distance as a simple MD. But if the Shovel is inside the ground for long time (60...70 years ago), then maybe 10m. I say it because i detected a small buckle (burried before 60...70 years) at 3m about.

Regards:)

Εσυ τι πιστευεις?????

The word "esoteric" can refer to something that is meant only for the initiated. In other words, something that is private or confidential. It does not specifically refer to religion or belief. In this particular instance, referring to the PD as "esoteric" would make sense, and is in no way derogatory. It simply means that the secret of the PD is known only to a small group of people.

Thanks Esteban, yes, Pistolism, was the right term for LRL bewitchment.

Please protect this trademark.

But word Cresoteric or Crasyteric will be suitable too if esoteric are no acceptable.

I believe that in every place one must make different calibrations and search from the same position again and again and not just once or twice.
Critical doesn't have a value that can be measured so micrometric adjustments in the knob is the best solution.
But you electronics know better anyway.
To understand the different effects we can have I think it is a good idea to even go there checking again whith different weather conditions.
I believe this plays a major role as important as soil.

Thank you Geo,
You answered most of my question.
From what you say it can find a shovel at 10 m distance if long time buried. I presume this is the same distance you usually see for non-ferrous metals. Correct?

But before it was properly tuned, it found a steel door at 2.5-3 m when working only as a metal detector? This seems like far distance for a normal metal detector, and yours was not tuned well. So it was giving some better distances than a regular metal detector even when not tuned well as regular metal detector. Am I wrong?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi Qiaozhi,
This is exactly the way I understand it, and I thought most people understand the pistols Esteban shows.
Simply the secrets of these pistols are known only to a small group of people. Of course it is not derogatory.

Best wishes,
J_P

So how did it went ?

Actually many are tired of circus, what the want is serious discussion matter and some evidences of what you are talking about...

I believe what i can see and measure.

I am wondering if i should have ever used the word "esoteric" :lol: .

Geo it is a good time for sure.
Please attach your photos!

You cannot expect all people to believe in what you believe.

Maybe you are not wrong, but you forgot the conditions....
The PD worked oposite!!!! maybe from bad null ( i used a concentric coil, not Omega), so i had the led just bright and when i detected the door then the led stopped to bright. I wrote about it!!!!, and yes the led stopped to bright, at a distance of 2.5....3 m.
But it is a big difference between MD and LRL, i think that you know it.

Regards:)

:lol::lol::lol:

Regards:)

For me it is a "simple" word :rolleyes:

Yes, I remember.
This is why I am surprised. Maybe my metal detectors do not detect a metal door so far because they have a faraday shield on the coil.

But I was not aware that when working as LRL it can be tuned to find iron the same distance as non-ferrous. I thought it found iron at lesser distances. This is what I wanted to know. I guess you tune it to see only non-ferrous, but if you wanted to find iron, you could make a change in the tuning to use it for 30 m when looking for long time buried iron the size of a shovel.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

My interest in the pistols is to see them recovering treasure with my own eyes, and to see them make beeps at "the phenomenon" with my own hands.

I am not interested in building the secret pistol circuits. I have never had an interest in building any of the secret circuit parts that were shown in the forums, nor have I built any of them. I think it would be interesting to see other people build the secret circuits and watch them demonstrate these live. You know this is my interest because you saw me help to encourage the Morgan demonstration where Geo saw with his own eyes and tested with his own hands. That is the reality of historical facts.

Best wishes,
J_P

The concentration of Earth's magnetic field around Iron is strong, so it is easily detectable with LRL, or Magnetometer at greater distances.

The concentration of Earth's magnetic field around Gold, is weak, and less detectable at greater distances. The "field" of Iron has to be filtered out in order to Discriminate to Gold.

Enough said! I'm not here for argument, or discussion so don't bother. Let a word to those of you intelligent enough to understand simple physics, be sufficient. Dell

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Hi J_P.
Sorry but i don't know, so i can't answer.
I have not so big experience with my PD.

Regards:)

Hi Dell,
I understand you are not posting in the forum for the purpose of opening a discussion.
But I am making also making a reply without expecting any answer because your post is a little out of context.

We all know about the magnetic properties of iron. And we know that it is not seen the same by magnetometers as non-ferrous metals are.
The PD that Geo uses is not a magnetometer or and MFD tye LRL. It uses an IB metal detector circuit as a base circuit with a ferrite receiver added for long range operation. It does not work by injecting molecular "treasure frequencies" into the circuit as your LRLs do. It is a completely different type of locator that operates with a metal detector coil at around 120KHz. According to people who use these PDs, they can operate in either a metal detector mode or an LRL mode.

The questions I made are concerned with some unusual reports I heard about the response of these PD locators. The reports I heard are not entirely consistent, but they certainly do not follow the concept proposed by some LRL enthusiasts. I was only asking to see what kind of response he observed with his particular PD, not to learn how the magnetic properties of iron are different than other metals.

Thank you for your input,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I must tell you that my modification PD, don't use ferrite as antenna for the second receiver........:rolleyes:

Regards:)