ALONSO PD MISSION ACCOMPLISHED V1,V2

[Pahom]

Good afternoon Morgan! You can find out about the version of the receiving part of the DCX-85 that you use on the LM741?

[brain]

Good afternoon Morgan! You can find out about the version of the receiving part of the DCX-85 that you use on the LM741?

here some TDA FM radios schematics :

Hello there are two events in the morgan FM receiver. The first is the transmitter, that is, the local oscillator. The second is the buyer duty. Do you know the value of the local oscillator when making your settings? You can understand this with two fm radios. Tune one of the FM radio to 103 MHz and change the frequency of the other FM radio. You will see that the fm sound of the 103 mhz radio is muted.

[abdou2014]

I had an experience that looks like this , why two fm receiver ?

i tried with one radio that will have the sound cut off at a specific frequency , and after what?

how to use this experiment to detect the phenomenon? I had a lot of theory , and my radio

detect sudden electromagnetic fields at a distance :)

[abdou2014]

there is a great experience that comes to you after these results, and that is the key :)

[brain]

If we can determine the transmitter frequency, we can experiment to evoke this frequency golden phenomenon.

You should publish the fm receiver circuit diagram.

[brain]

The frequency of the fm radio in the 103 MHz transmitter position of the fm radio in the receiver position is around 88 mhz.

[abdou2014]

what do you mean by ( fm radio in the 103 MHz transmitter position) ?

both radio receivers ?

my experience and results are different from yours, my radio detects the phenomenon and

operates like a BFO and electric receiver

[brain]

both radio receivers ?
yes.

There is another frequency that your receiver works like a transmitter in the frequency position.

[abdou2014]

where is the interest ? how used for detection ?

[abdou2014]

my transmitter circulates in the receiver, and calibrated to a critical position :)

[brain]

you make another from the same buyer. You understand the event. You set the 103 or 104 mhz receiver, in contrast to the other receiver, when you set it to 88 MHz, the fm sound is cut off. Here we can find what frequency it is, we find the phenomenon value for gold.

[abdou2014]

Thank you for sharing your experience :)

[Geo]

From my experience there isn't special frequency for gold etc... (at bands that we can work!!!). There are some bands with better response or lower noise and nothing else.

:)

[Douglass]

Many devices are made with frequencies x as if there was a selective frequency for a given substance, maybe there is a certain frequency range for a given substance. Within these bands and dominating its forces the gold will be right there .....:lol:

[humhum]

From my experience there isn't special frequency for gold etc... (at bands that we can work!!!). There are some bands with better response or lower noise and nothing else.

:)

:nono: Dear Geo , İn my experience , I see that have any special frequency for localization .
no find Buried in all lower noise frequency . But here problem is that , I can not measure
this working frequency .

Regards

[brain]

my transmitter circulates in the receiver, and calibrated to a critical position :)

hello abdou2014 what is the frequency on your tda7000 receiver.

[zakari]

hi all
brian you are right

i get the good result with 104.5 mhz tx and 80 mhz rx

best regard zakari

[abdou2014]

hello abdou2014 what is the frequency on your tda7000 receiver.

there is one thing special with TDA7000 , excuse me but I can't all say :|

I advise you to do a lot of experiments :)

[humhum]

The frequency of the fm radio in the 103 MHz transmitter position of the fm radio in the receiver position is around 88 mhz.

When Local OSC (Tx) of one Radio is same with input of other FM Radio in Receive mode
(+ some use 10.7Mhz IF ) , So Radio calibrated for Receiver will stopid noise from Speaker
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[Geo]

From my experimets... i found buried objects with below frequencies...

60Khz,62 Khz, 75Khz, 78Khz, 80Khz, 84Khz, 88Khz, 92Khz, 100Khz, 125Khz, 133Khz, 250Khz, 500Khz, 513Khz, 1Mhz,80Mhz, 84Mhz,110Mhz,438Mhz.
Do you mean that all these frequencies are special frequencies??? or the gold emmits a signal at these frequencies???
Nothing of these.... :nono:

[brain]

hello geo
Is there a local oscillator at these frequencies.when passive or active

I will share the fm receiver circuit

I want to review this. Does it look like alonso pd
https://i.hizliresim.com/maBcaI.png (https://hizliresim.com/maBcaI)

[humhum]

From my experimets... i found buried objects with below frequencies...

60Khz,62 Khz, 75Khz, 78Khz, 80Khz, 84Khz, 88Khz, 92Khz, 100Khz, 125Khz, 133Khz, 250Khz, 500Khz, 513Khz, 1Mhz,80Mhz, 84Mhz,110Mhz,438Mhz.
Do you mean that all these frequencies are special frequencies??? or the gold emmits a signal at these frequencies???

Ok , this is your success , but in me not is so , for full FM sensitive working system it is
only in some special frequency ,
also dear Dubulumatch and Esteban say about special phenomenon frequency in FM .

In my last attempt with FM, the phenomenon burned out the Buzzer floor of my device, I was very surprised .

[Geo]

hello geo
Is there a local oscillator at these frequencies.when passive or active

I will share the fm receiver circuit

I want to review this. Does it look like alonso pd
https://i.hizliresim.com/maBcaI.png (https://hizliresim.com/maBcaI)

Yes Q1 works as local oscillator. You can make it to oscillate between 80 and 110 Mhz by playing with coil and trimer ....

[brain]

Ok , this is your success , but in me not is so , for full FM sensitive working system it is
only in some special frequency ,
also dear Dubulumatch and Esteban say about special phenomenon frequency in FM .

In my last attempt with FM, the phenomenon burned out the Buzzer floor of my device, I was very surprised .

hello humhum
What is the fm receiver frequency.?
Are you using 80mhz or 110mhz?
What is the IF frequency? Is it possible to write them.

[abdou2014]

Hi Brain , why you don't use display ?

[brain]

I'm trying to figure out why. I partially understand that we are evaluating the electrical value of the electromagnetic field. I am looking for another solution as it is not the tda7000.

[abdou2014]

but you need a good display to catch the small variation

[brain]

What is a display?

[abdou2014]

audio meter

[brain]

I will deal with the microcontroller, I need important points.
with a 125khz frequency microcontroller for Tx I did . Important points are required for Rx.

[humhum]

hello humhum
What is the fm receiver frequency.?
Are you using 80mhz or 110mhz?
What is the IF frequency? Is it possible to write them.

I can't measure my setting FM receiving frequency , because it is very power low signal ,
, IF of some FM receiver is 10.7 Mhz , IF of AM receiver is 455Khz , This is after
mixing of input and local OSC , but TDA7000 not use 10.7Mhz , only few Khz .

about IF see this link :

https://www.analogictips.com/radio-receiver-architectures-part-1-trf-superhet/
https://www.analogictips.com/radio-receiver-aarchitectures-part-2-zero-sdr/

[abdou2014]

I finished my new TDA system, very sensitive for the electric field,detect a laptop at 4 meters, an antenna cable at 1.5 meters, a problem with the buzzer, the sound very weak ,

[abdou2014]

sound problem solved :) I think a colpitt oscillator is better than the NE555 8)

[Geo]

For audio signals i believe that 555 is the best choise:cool:

[abdou2014]

Thank you Geo :)

[brain]

hello geo the subject i am talking about!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8yH_CRuDg


What is the frequency at the transmitter location when the receiver is 80 mhz. I want to design this tx frequency as a transmitter.

[brain]

I found the frequency tx. We add a difference frequency of 10.7 mhz to the receiver frequency.:)

oscilator local 98.7-118.7 Mhz

antenna signal 88-108 Mhz

[humhum]

I found the frequency tx. We add a difference frequency of 10.7 mhz to the receiver frequency.:)

oscilator local 98.7-118.7 Mhz

antenna signal 88-108 Mhz


This 10.7Mhz is IF in FM receiver , 455Khz is IF for MW Radio . But in TDA7000 not is so !

[brain]

This 10.7Mhz is IF in FM receiver , 455Khz is IF for MW Radio . But in TDA7000 not is so !
I guess you don't understand the subject.
I asked you about the tx frequency. The local oscillator acts as a transmitter around 10-15 meters.

[humhum]

I guess you don't understand the subject.
I asked you about the tx frequency. The local oscillator acts as a transmitter around 10-15 meters.

''The local oscillator acts as a transmitter around 10-15 meters''
Yes correct , Local Oscillator also time in all Radios is a mW transmitter .

'' I asked you about the tx frequency ''
The Tx Frequency or also time this is Local OSC freq . in FM radio is so :

This is two kind or type : With Positive or Negative local osc .

1) If you need to hear station in 88Mhz , input rec freq to Radio will be 88 Mhz and local
osc need to be 77.3Mhz ( input freq 88 Mhz - 77.3 Mhz local OSC = 10.7 Mhz need for IF )
also have other method and this is with so :
for 88 Mhz station ( 98.7 Mhz local osc - 88Mhz input freq = also is 10.7 Mhz for IF ) .

[brain]

''The local oscillator acts as a transmitter around 10-15 meters''
Yes correct , Local Oscillator also time in all Radios is a mW transmitter .

'' I asked you about the tx frequency ''
The Tx Frequency or also time this is Local OSC freq . in FM radio is so :

This is two kind or type : With Positive or Negative local osc .

1) If you need to hear station in 88Mhz , input rec freq to Radio will be 88 Mhz and local
osc need to be 77.3Mhz ( input freq 88 Mhz - 77.3 Mhz local OSC = 10.7 Mhz need for IF )
also have other method and this is with so :
for 88 Mhz station ( 98.7 Mhz local osc - 88Mhz input freq = also is 10.7 Mhz for IF ) .

My aim is not to discuss FM radio. I am investigating whether this transmitter frequency has an effect on the phenomenon or not.

[humhum]

My aim is not to discuss FM radio. I am investigating whether this transmitter frequency has an effect on the phenomenon or not.

You ask about catch frequency of the phenomenon , this frequency can't measuring or is
impossible for today with classical methods .
But for working system need many experiment with circuits and calibration of correct FM receiver Frequency .

[folharin]

someone in possession of the original dch would be able to easily measure the frequency of the stimulating coil through a frequency meter ... the tda 7000 is a simple fm receiver. car parts with usb. that turns on the car's cigarette lighter.

[folharin]

would find the tuned frequency

[humhum]

Yes , with measuring can see Gen. Frequency value of Stimulator , but Frequency of
Phenomenon , :nono: .

[folharin]

mister hum hum! there is a minority in this forum that is in a private group!!!it started in the time of alonso pd..i thought you were participating in the secret forum. we were left out ... unfortunately....:(:(

[humhum]

mister hum hum! there is a minority in this forum that is in a private group!!!it started in the time of alonso pd..i thought you were participating in the secret forum. we were left out ... unfortunately....:(:(

'' I thought you were participating in the secret forum. we were left out ... unfortunately.... ''

I have never participated to the secret forum . Maybe in the secret forum have few
members from we forum , I not understand .

[folharin]

unfortunately sir hum hum!!!:cry:

[LRLMAN]

You ask about catch frequency of the phenomenon , this frequency can't measuring or is
impossible for today with classical methods .
But for working system need many experiment with circuits and calibration of correct FM receiver Frequency .

Hi Hum Hum nice to greet you again........I also want to ask you the same question that friend Brain asked to you: what do you know about the impact frequency of an X oscillator has any repercussion on the phenomenon or is it only to stimulate and increase the sensitivity of a receiving antenna to be able to capture the phenomenon? ??

Receive many greetings from Mexico.

Lrlman

[humhum]

Hi Hum Hum nice to greet you again........I also want to ask you the same question that friend Brain asked to you: what do you know about the impact frequency of an X oscillator has any repercussion on the phenomenon or is it only to stimulate and increase the sensitivity of a receiving antenna to be able to capture the phenomenon? ??

Receive many greetings from Mexico.

Lrlman

Hi dear LRL , my think is that Phenomenon is Photons in Thz Band with small pozitive and
big Negative level energy ( I see this wave in Output of my Mineoro ) , this energy can
modulated itself over many Wave : Hz , Khz ,Mhz ,. Thz .

About X osc , You maybe ask me for correct finding frequency , if is so , this is impact frequency of Gold Resonance ( Mhz Band ) and Esteban use it for Rx near 100Mhz
(Gold Resonance x2 or X3 ) this maybe is from Scalar wave , but this Rx frequency is
(small) different for all Country. Need experiment .

[folharin]

I can't measure my setting FM receiving frequency , because it is very power low signal ,
, IF of some FM receiver is 10.7 Mhz , IF of AM receiver is 455Khz , This is after
mixing of input and local OSC , but TDA7000 not use 10.7Mhz , only few Khz .

about IF see this link :

https://www.analogictips.com/radio-receiver-architectures-part-1-trf-superhet/
https://www.analogictips.com/radio-receiver-aarchitectures-part-2-zero-sdr/exactly this point you also concluded the analysis as I arrived at this same conclusion

[folharin]

: |

[humhum]

exactly this point you also concluded the analysis as I arrived at this same conclusion

You mean that , Your exactly result can't measure setting FM receiving frequency or
phenomenon ?
( because it is very power low signal ) ;)

[brasilpb]

I believe that any radio can work.

[folharin]

You mean that , Your exactly result can't measure setting FM receiving frequency or
phenomenon ?
( because it is very power low signal ) ;)

exactly!

[brain]

hello i noticed that gold is sensitive between 84-86mhz on the oscilloscope screen
humhum x osilator has an effect on the phenomenon

[humhum]

hello i noticed that gold is sensitive between 84-86mhz on the oscilloscope screen
humhum x osilator has an effect on the phenomenon

Hi Brain , this is Very Good , peak center Freq 85 Mhz in Your Country .

[folharin]

hello i noticed that gold is sensitive between 84-86mhz on the oscilloscope screen
humhum x osilator has an effect on the phenomenon

and khz? already tested?

[Bhagye]

Hello dear members,

Are you talking that you measured oscillation of piece of gold, using oscope and some kind a home made circuitry?? Some one can please explain me how do you measure gold frequency with an oscilloscope??

[folharin]

no..the test is done with buried gold!

[LRLMAN]

Hi Brain , this is Very Good , peak center Freq 85 Mhz in Your Country .

Hello HUM HUM thanks for the answer before my question ... and I just mentioned what is the function of an oscillator in an LRL detector ..... stimulating the receiving antenna (increasing its sensitivity) of an Lrl detector o only serve to impact a buried target of much more than yellow metal or white and generate a stimulating phenomenon surrounding this buried metal ???

And on the other hand I would like to ask you what would be the Maximum central frequency in Mhz or Khz for Mexico ????

Regards.....LRLMAN.

[Pahom]

The harmonic frequency depends on the most powerful transmitting device in the area being searched. And for this reason, the frequency is different everywhere.

[brain]

is this your DCH85 , or using other model?


What is 555 frequency?

[brain]

transmitter for What is 555 frequency?

[brain]

the Alonso PD use the metal detector circuit HeatKit, its a TR/IB sistem, according Esteban a BFO with cristal controler is the best for stability, I want to try but the cristal is hard to find...

here schematic


hello, is the morgan bfo detector sample suitable for your business?
https://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/s/bfo-metal-detector.php

[Jeg]

I get a coil formula for the Alonso PD passive receiver that can detect a 1,5V battery spark 2,20m distance, my question, someone here get this distance or more with the passive receiver ?


Hi Morgan
The length of cable that you make the 1,5V spark is important. Different lengths lead to different distances. I think it was mr humhum that he proposed a 60cm length as a reference. What was the length of your cable doing those measurements?:)

[rxlock2]

Hi Morgan
The length of cable that you make the 1,5V spark is important. Different lengths lead to different distances. I think it was mr humhum that he proposed a 60cm length as a reference. What was the length of your cable doing those measurements?:)

my receiver catches the 1.5 V battery spark with 30 cm cable, at a distance of 3.80 meters.
Does this mean anything on the field?
Nothing at all.

[Pahom]

There should be no cable length, but a loop in the form of a net with a diameter of 30-40cm.https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19427

[Jeg]

my receiver catches the 1.5 V battery spark with 30 cm cable, at a distance of 3.80 meters.
Does this mean anything on the field?
Nothing at all.




Hi
It is just a common method to compare sensitivities between devices. Nothing more.
But if it is to compare then length plays a significant role.



Thanks pahom. Very handy.



Have you tried guys to sense a piezo-lighter with your pistols? At what distance do you get the spark?


ps. By the way, rxlock...3,8m..impressive. Thanks

[Pahom]

There are many options for Jagu. With a piezo, if you do such maneuvers, then from 20 meters, you can fry the transistors on the go. They seem to work, but they are really a kerdyk. Something like this! So only 1.5 volts is just right. Thank you, THANKS!

[Hosin@2021/shahroee]

Is ferrite sensitivitie to the hand in Pd alonso?:)

[Geo]

If i remember right.... No.

[Hosin@2021/shahroee]

Thank you for your response mr geo .in active and passive mode (both on ) . Pd alonso how far senses a coin with a diameter of 2cm ?:thumb:

[Geo]

If tuning is ok then it locates the coin near to 3m.
The basic problem is that PD is not so stable and detuned very often...

[Hosin@2021/shahroee]

Tanks for reply
In Pd alonso , detect coin in active_passive on and only active without passive is equal (test coin in air) ?
Best wishes

[Geo]

At active mode (with passive receiver off) it works as a simple metal detector, so catches the coin from 10...15cm (air test)

[abdou2014]

If tuning is ok then it locates the coin near to 3m.
The basic problem is that PD is not so stable and detuned very often...

3 meters on air or recently buried or long time buried ?

[Geo]

3 meters on air or recently buried or long time buried ?

:nono: 3m for buried coin if it has create phenomenon.

[abdou2014]

Thanks :)

[Hosin@2021/shahroee]

Tank you so much geo
In active _ passive mode (both on )how far can catch spark 1.5v ?
Best regards

[Geo]

If you have very good null at ferrite then 40...60 cm.

[abdou2014]

for a low frequency transmission by the transmitter of the alonzo clone, it is best to add the number of turns or keep the original configuration and increase the parallel C ???

[humhum]

my receiver catches the 1.5 V battery spark with 30 cm cable, at a distance of 3.80 meters.
Does this mean anything on the field?
Nothing at all.

Catches of spark wiev sensitivity of Your circuit , but this method not wiev that works in real
field .
For example :
Circuit with high sentivity can receive spark from 20m or 50m , but in real field can't
catch from phenomenon energy , because here need real calibration for receive real
wavelenght of phenmenon .
When calibration of circuit is Real , so You can find Big buried object upto ... more meters or
distance with clone Alonso PD , but about Spark only in cm or few meter .

[kostas87]

if it detects a spark at 2 meters it says nothing about the phenomenon of buried metal, at least for my area. with many hours out and many tests I ended up with a 100nf capacitor in the receiver, and with an RF signal at 2.8khz and 3.3khz to detects huge objects from a distance of a few meters..the spark detection dropped to 60 cm..I think the RF signal is important to increase the distance x 3 times, but if the Receiver does not respond to the phenomenon very close to your area which is the most importantly you will not catch anything with the RF that just increases the distance ..

[kostas87]

I do not have access to the secret forum that has a lot of information from esteban etc, but with the tests and some personal expenses I came to the conclusion that it does not take much to detect the phenomenon of the noble metal from a few meters away ... I think you need a sensitive receiver in combination with the sound generator, a BFO absorption system, and a beacon RF circuit and with the right combination can detect the phenomenon ..

[kaveh]

Hello to all good friends and Mr. Alenso
Mr. Allenso, I want to use the mpsa18 transistor in this circuit. Is there no problem? Thank you

[Geo]

Mr Alonso is not member of this forum.
Mpsa18 has lower Bandwidth and highter β.
I don't know if it's a good choise to replace BC.... with it.

[Geo]

I do not have access to the secret forum that has a lot of information from esteban etc, but with the tests and some personal expenses I came to the conclusion that it does not take much to detect the phenomenon of the noble metal from a few meters away ... I think you need a sensitive receiver in combination with the sound generator, a BFO absorption system, and a beacon RF circuit and with the right combination can detect the phenomenon ..

The secret is a good design, a carefully construction, a fine tunning and of course a strong phenomenon. Without phenomenon it is difficult to do a lrl to work!!!

:)

[Geo]

for a low frequency transmission by the transmitter of the alonzo clone, it is best to add the number of turns or keep the original configuration and increase the parallel C ???

Why to change the frequency???
All the story is to make the passive receiver to work out of saturation:cool:

[abdou2014]

thanks Geo for the idea :)

[Pahom]

thanks Geo for the idea :)
This is not an idea, this is a radio theme !!!

[abdou2014]

radio theme ???????? explain my friend ???

[kostas87]

The secret is a good design, a carefully construction, a fine tunning and of course a strong phenomenon. Without phenomenon it is difficult to do a lrl to work!!!

:)

https://youtu.be/hU4QKDA6HuU

[kostas87]

https://youtu.be/hU4QKDA6HuU

it is everywhere, we are not (weaker.).I think it plays in another setting inside, depending on which device you are looking for, not everything works here in our country ... as in Brazil not everything works there .... I saw a video, which with a vc86 that worked much better than anything ,,, and another dch 85 in the same area and never got a signal ...

[Pahom]

https://youtu.be/hU4QKDA6HuU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taxH9LYe1iI

[Geo]

https://youtu.be/hU4QKDA6HuU


..........:lol::lol::lol:

[Sally]

Dear Sir Geo,

Good evening sir. I sent an email to you. Please if you have time kindly reply. Thank you.

Regards,
Sally

[JHERICKU]

Hello to all in this forum, I came here today to informe all of you about some people who are selling Alonso PD clones worldwide for the amazing price of 20000 dollars each one,and the big lie is they said I aprove this LRLs, first of all I have nothing to do with this dark business ,and not aprove at all that kind of clones,since the begining I told the PD is unstable,and its for LRL beginers,a short distance locator. See the photo of this PD clones and be carefull,not fall into this trap,

best regards
hello friend morgan.I can now participate here..Tnx to Qiaozi..I beleived you have the diagram of alonsos pd..Can I have to try it for my project..of course with your help and advices my friend I maybe complete it and try to use in our site..we are currently digging a suspected treasure site with out any gadget so can u help me..Please email me jherickgenova@gmail.com

[Hosin@2021/shahroee]

Qiaozhi s diagram is correct

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by kostas87 https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=161182#post161182)
I do not have access to the secret forum that has a lot of information from esteban etc, but with the tests and some personal expenses I came to the conclusion that it does not take much to detect the phenomenon of the noble metal from a few meters away ... I think you need a sensitive receiver in combination with the sound generator, a BFO absorption system, and a beacon RF circuit and with the right combination can detect the phenomenon ..
Geo:

The secret is a good design, a carefully construction, a fine tunning and of course a strong phenomenon. Without phenomenon it is difficult to do a lrl to work!!!

Geo is correct.
The signal is not a line. It is the electrons flowing from the earth to the ionosphere. The amount of current flowing from the ground to the ionosphere is minuscule at any point on the surface of the earth. However. when there is buried metal that has ions migrating in the ground where it is located, then we see a larger migration of electrons moving upwards toward the ionosphere. The amount of increased electron flow is minuscule, so it is hard to detect. This means we need a very sensitive detector to detect the difference.
(what we are trying to do is use a detector that is so sensitive that it can detect the difference in a location that has double the amount of ions moving into the atmosphere as there are in the adjacent locations). This is a VERY sensitive detector...!
A magnetic wave detector seems to be the best choice of detector, because it is immune from the electrical interference that plagues the skies. However, the increased flow of electrons from the metal site can be stopped if any high energy is injected into it. What I mean by this is... if you were to scan the location of the buried treasure with a metal detector, the strength of the VLF or PI signal would neutralize any ions in the ground and stop the flow of electrons into the atmosphere. This means the target site would be made neutral, or the same as the surrounding ground, so you could no longer detect it.
The moral is: When you build your treasure detector, be careful to not make your simulator coil too strong...!

Thats the truth. Take it or leave it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[brain]

VLF or PI detectors Frequency in the HZ or KHZ band, does a high frequency FM, VHF, UHF or GHZ transmitter affect these electrons?

[J_Player]

VLF or PI detectors Frequency in the HZ or KHZ band, does a high frequency FM, VHF, UHF or GHZ transmitter affect these electrons?

All energy effects the electrons which are migrating in ions of metals that are buried in the ground. This includes vlf, lf, mf and hf as well as radar frequency. Even light frequency can alter the flow of electrons in the ground ions (light frequencies that are in the range of heat frequencies).
The lesson to learn is to use your sensitive detector of electron flow, and use a minimal amount of stimulation energy. Then you will not deplete the increase of electron flow in the location of the buried metal.

A very well designed detector can find a buried metal without a stimulator. But if a stimulator is used, it will cause a temporary increase in electron flow from the buried metal, so this will allow a poorly designed detector to also be able to detect the location of the buried metal.

If a stimulator is used, then it should be limited to a low power level so it does not cause all of the ions that are in the location of the buried metal to become neutralized. If you send a stimulator signal that is too strong, then you will neutralize all the buried ions, and make the target metal invisible to your detector. The neutralized ions in the ground will look the same as the neighbouring ground which has no buried metal that your detector can find.

The good news is you will see the buried metal has recovered from the over-saturation of injected energy within a few days.
Yes, an over-stimulated buried metal site can recover, and then send out electrons that signal its location....


Hope that helps.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Strange how LRL folks don't seem to have much to say about real science...
Even when there's a chance that LRLs could work... :rolleyes: I musta skeert away awlla the LRL'rs... :lol:

[brain]

Are these electrons positive or negative?

[J_Player]

Are these electrons positive or negative?

Electrons are generally considered to be negative. But don't let that discourage you. Many people were negative about the concept of a round world when flat was the common belief of the best scientists of that time. :nono:

So if you find some positive electrons, then be the first to report it here in the LRL forum, and we will remember that you deserve the nobel prize for this discovery.

[brain]

In many articles I read in this form, I saw information that it was positive, this is the opposite of what you said. I would like to benefit from your experience in this regard. I have a Tesla type system.

[aft_72005]

All energy effects the electrons which are migrating in ions of metals that are buried in the ground. This includes vlf, lf, mf and hf as well as radar frequency. Even light frequency can alter the flow of electrons in the ground ions (light frequencies that are in the range of heat frequencies).
The lesson to learn is to use your sensitive detector of electron flow, and use a minimal amount of stimulation energy. Then you will not deplete the increase of electron flow in the location of the buried metal.

A very well designed detector can find a buried metal without a stimulator. But if a stimulator is used, it will cause a temporary increase in electron flow from the buried metal, so this will allow a poorly designed detector to also be able to detect the location of the buried metal.

If a stimulator is used, then it should be limited to a low power level so it does not cause all of the ions that are in the location of the buried metal to become neutralized. If you send a stimulator signal that is too strong, then you will neutralize all the buried ions, and make the target metal invisible to your detector. The neutralized ions in the ground will look the same as the neighbouring ground which has no buried metal that your detector can find.

The good news is you will see the buried metal has recovered from the over-saturation of injected energy within a few days.
Yes, an over-stimulated buried metal site can recover, and then send out electrons that signal its location....


Hope that helps.

Best wishes,
J_P




Hi J_P
Happy see you after long time .. about stimulator ?.Alnso pd using stong TX ?!!!!!!
When it power on .. how catch ions ???
Best regards .

[kostas87]

Originally Posted by kostas87 https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=161182#post161182)
I do not have access to the secret forum that has a lot of information from esteban etc, but with the tests and some personal expenses I came to the conclusion that it does not take much to detect the phenomenon of the noble metal from a few meters away ... I think you need a sensitive receiver in combination with the sound generator, a BFO absorption system, and a beacon RF circuit and with the right combination can detect the phenomenon ..
Geo:

The secret is a good design, a carefully construction, a fine tunning and of course a strong phenomenon. Without phenomenon it is difficult to do a lrl to work!!!

Geo is correct.
The signal is not a line. It is the electrons flowing from the earth to the ionosphere. The amount of current flowing from the ground to the ionosphere is minuscule at any point on the surface of the earth. However. when there is buried metal that has ions migrating in the ground where it is located, then we see a larger migration of electrons moving upwards toward the ionosphere. The amount of increased electron flow is minuscule, so it is hard to detect. This means we need a very sensitive detector to detect the difference.
(what we are trying to do is use a detector that is so sensitive that it can detect the difference in a location that has double the amount of ions moving into the atmosphere as there are in the adjacent locations). This is a VERY sensitive detector...!
A magnetic wave detector seems to be the best choice of detector, because it is immune from the electrical interference that plagues the skies. However, the increased flow of electrons from the metal site can be stopped if any high energy is injected into it. What I mean by this is... if you were to scan the location of the buried treasure with a metal detector, the strength of the VLF or PI signal would neutralize any ions in the ground and stop the flow of electrons into the atmosphere. This means the target site would be made neutral, or the same as the surrounding ground, so you could no longer detect it.
The moral is: When you build your treasure detector, be careful to not make your simulator coil too strong...!

Thats the truth. Take it or leave it.

Best wishes,
J_P

hello j play!
I have read many of your posts when I look at posts. Your positions on each topic were very carefully written and understood with a lot of intelligence and understanding. Geo knows a lot of things and I have learned a lot from Geo I do not dispute it..the issue with the distance detectors that we have more or less something that works..but we are never happy..sometimes they do not work well other times they are affected by other signals ..but he is sure that there is always a solution and something that can be made to work very well .

[abdou2014]

Originally Posted by kostas87 https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=161182#post161182)
I do not have access to the secret forum that has a lot of information from esteban etc, but with the tests and some personal expenses I came to the conclusion that it does not take much to detect the phenomenon of the noble metal from a few meters away ... I think you need a sensitive receiver in combination with the sound generator, a BFO absorption system, and a beacon RF circuit and with the right combination can detect the phenomenon ..
Geo:

The secret is a good design, a carefully construction, a fine tunning and of course a strong phenomenon. Without phenomenon it is difficult to do a lrl to work!!!

Geo is correct.
The signal is not a line. It is the electrons flowing from the earth to the ionosphere. The amount of current flowing from the ground to the ionosphere is minuscule at any point on the surface of the earth. However. when there is buried metal that has ions migrating in the ground where it is located, then we see a larger migration of electrons moving upwards toward the ionosphere. The amount of increased electron flow is minuscule, so it is hard to detect. This means we need a very sensitive detector to detect the difference.
(what we are trying to do is use a detector that is so sensitive that it can detect the difference in a location that has double the amount of ions moving into the atmosphere as there are in the adjacent locations). This is a VERY sensitive detector...!
A magnetic wave detector seems to be the best choice of detector, because it is immune from the electrical interference that plagues the skies. However, the increased flow of electrons from the metal site can be stopped if any high energy is injected into it. What I mean by this is... if you were to scan the location of the buried treasure with a metal detector, the strength of the VLF or PI signal would neutralize any ions in the ground and stop the flow of electrons into the atmosphere. This means the target site would be made neutral, or the same as the surrounding ground, so you could no longer detect it.
The moral is: When you build your treasure detector, be careful to not make your simulator coil too strong...!

Thats the truth. Take it or leave it.

Best wishes,
J_P


Thank you for your explanation, I built a very sensitive magnetic receiver, on what frequency I must calibrate it to detect buried metals dear friend ?

[J_Player]

Thank you for your explanation, I built a very sensitive magnetic receiver, on what frequency I must calibrate it to detect buried metals dear friend ?

What exactly does your magnetic receiver receive?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi J_P
Happy see you after long time .. about stimulator ?.Alnso pd using stong TX ?!!!!!!
When it power on .. how catch ions ???
Best regards .

Hi Aft,
Happy to see you are still looking for answers to LRL secrets.

When it power on .. how catch ions ???

The Alonso pistol does not catch ions.
If you examine closely the circuitry of the Mineoro designs, you will see they are capable of transmitting radio waves and receiving radio waves. They have no apparatus which is capable of collecting ions.

This means they can only detect variations in radio waves that are received by the RX coil. Any talk which says ions are collected is false talk.
The Mineoro people have told us that gold ions rise from the ground to 7.21 feet above the ground (see animation below).

https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2477&stc=1&d=1184767044

This is false information, the same as the idea that collecting gold ions is a false idea.

The Mineoro detectors are often thrown into the ocean or into trash barrels by people who decided they are not working to find treasures.

There are ions of gold which move through the soil. This is a fact that was proven by Australian scientists, and was later developed into an industry that located gold deposits in the ground as well as other metals like copper, lead, antimony, platinum, cobalt and many others. However, when these metal ions move upward to the surface of the earth, the metal ions in the ground become neutralized and bound to other ions so they are no longer an ion when they reach the surface of the ground.

These are proven facts. However, the LRL companies do not use proven facts to explain how their detectors work.
They rely on stories that have no proof. So you may take your chances to wonder if a manufactured LRL will work.

My advice for people who want to buy an LRL is this:

Go to a large field, about 1 hector or maybe 2 acres size.
1. Bury a gold sample in this field where only you know where the gold is buried.
2. Then bury an aluminum sample somewhere else in the same field where only you know.
3. Then bury a copper sample somewhere else in the same field where only you know.
4. Be careful not to leave footprints where you bury the metals. And also, make false footprints in locations where there is nothing buried.

Then ask the seller of the LRL to come to your field location and the find the gold, find the aluminum, and find the copper with his LRL.
When the seller is done with his demonstration of recovering the metals that you buried, then you can decide if you want to pay the money to buy his locator.

Best wishes,
J_P

[abdou2014]

What exactly does your magnetic receiver receive?

Best wishes,
J_P

it is a ( VLF - LF ) radio receiver with same loop antenna as mineoro

[J_Player]

it is a ( VLF - LF ) radio receiver with same loop antenna as mineoro

What exactly does this VLF - LF radio receiver with same loop antenna as Mineoro receive?
Most Mineoro detectors receive electronic noise. Is that what you also receive?

Best wishes,
J_P

[abdou2014]

electromagnetic waves

[abdou2014]

What exactly does this VLF - LF radio receiver with same loop antenna as Mineoro receive?
Most Mineoro detectors receive electronic noise. Is that what you also receive?

Best wishes,
J_P

yes, I can all detected them with different calibrations, each magnetic source has its own frequency

[abdou2014]

?????? :frown: khz ?

[J_Player]

yes, I can all detected them with different calibrations, each magnetic source has its own frequency
Really? you can detect all of the metals with different frequency calibrations?
This is great news. Can you tell me the frequency for rhodium? (just wondering).

(Actually I need a few kilograms of rhodium for a retirement project that I am working on)... :rolleyes:


Best wishes,
J_P

[abdou2014]

I didn't talk about natural electromagnetic sources ou of buried metals , but of electronic devices

[J_Player]

I didn't talk about natural electromagnetic sources ou of buried metals , but of electronic devices
What electronic device do you want to know the frequency of?
The human eye detects frequencies from 430 trillion hertz, seen as red, to 750 trillion hertz, seen as violet. But the eye is not a buried metal, or a manufactured electronic device. So we may look at some manufactured electronic devices which have lower frequencies like toasters, which operate in the frequency range of 30 thz. But even that is too high to detect metals from long range. So perhaps we should look at modern radio transmitters.

They generally transmit between some gigahertz to less than 1 Hz, depending on the application. Most geophysicists look for vlf or ulf frequencies to determine contents under the ground. This means they build their machines to transmit or receive frequencies between 2 hz and 100 khz to detect things in the ground. But remember... their machines are not related to buried treasure, they are only machines that transmit and receive on these frequencies. Any coincidence of finding treasure or gold deposits is simply a coincidence, and has noting to do with the design of their equipment. :cool:

This is because we are talking about electronic devices, not about buried metals.
After all, who would want to use an electronic device to find buried metal? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[abdou2014]

the question is simple, on what frequency of reception is calibrated mineoro loop or any LRLs to detect buried metals :froncer les sourcils:

[J_Player]

the question is simple, on what frequency of reception is calibrated mineoro loop or any LRLs to detect buried metals :froncer les sourcils:
The answer is also simple. The Mineoro and any other LRL is not calibrated at any frequency. The frequencies that are most often measured fall between 3 khz and 180 khz.

But there are exceptions as in the case of the Geo locators and the franco from italy locator, and a few others which operate at higher frequencies. I know that most of these locators are not calibrated at all, but if you want to know for certain, then you may want to contact franco and geo and maybe others who have actually calibrated their machines.

So we see that even a simple question may have a complicated answer... :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[abdou2014]

Thank you dear friend :)

[J_Player]

Thank you dear friend :)
Tu es un homme vraiment honorable
(yer okay) :cool:

Best wishes.
J_P

[abdou2014]

Merci :) , I will try to vary the reception frequency in the vestige places maybe I will have a signal

[aft_72005]

[QUOTE=J_Player;161253]Hi Aft,
Happy to see you are still looking for answers to LRL secrets.

When it power on .. how catch ions ???

The Alonso pistol does not catch ions.
If you examine closely the circuitry of the Mineoro designs, you will see they are capable of transmitting radio waves and receiving radio waves. They have no apparatus which is capable of collecting ions. ................


Hi J_P
Yes ..also some times when I am good begin study about LRL . am retired 5 years ago . most times I am study about HF and VHF TRX , RX , TX circuits now
My opinion if know real theory about long buried golds ? then we can design Own LRL ?
No need other commercial devices ..
My target is this .
Best regards .

[aft_72005]

electromagnetic waves



Hi
In my Region .. there are gold and uranium mine ? also say me those frequency?s!!!!!!!
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

What electronic device do you want to know the frequency of?
The human eye detects frequencies from 430 trillion hertz, seen as red, to 750 trillion hertz, seen as violet. But the eye is not a buried metal, or a manufactured electronic device. So we may look at some manufactured electronic devices which have lower frequencies like toasters, which operate in the frequency range of 30 thz. But even that is too high to detect metals from long range. So perhaps we should look at modern radio transmitters.

They generally transmit between some gigahertz to less than 1 Hz, depending on the application. Most geophysicists look for vlf or ulf frequencies to determine contents under the ground. This means they build their machines to transmit or receive frequencies between 2 hz and 100 khz to detect things in the ground. But remember... their machines are not related to buried treasure, they are only machines that transmit and receive on these frequencies. Any coincidence of finding treasure or gold deposits is simply a coincidence, and has noting to do with the design of their equipment. :cool:

This is because we are talking about electronic devices, not about buried metals.
After all, who would want to use an electronic device to find buried metal? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P


Hi J_P
This method only determine big amount of mass .. no detect one gold coin !!!!!
Best regards .

[abdou2014]

Hi
In my Region .. there are gold and uranium mine ? also say me those frequency?s!!!!!!!
Best regards.

you can locate uranium with a geiger counter

[aft_72005]

you can locate uranium with a geiger counter



Yes I know !!!! ? in your research ?.is gold produced magnetic or electromagnetic field ?

what frequency emitted by gold?

[abdou2014]

I don't have an exact frequency yet , it depends on the power of the radio transmitters in the area

[abdou2014]

MY MINEORO :lol:

[abdou2014]

:lol:

[Geo]

MY MINEORO :lol:

What is the so exotic and you hidd it ?? :lol::lol:

[Hosin@2021/shahroee]

Qiaozhi s diagram is correct
Qiaozhi s diagram

[abdou2014]

What is the so exotic and you hidd it ?? :lol::lol:

:lol::lol: PCB , I intend to add a stimulator, do you have a suggested frequency ?

[Geo]

Stimulator at Mineoro schematic??? No good idea!! :nono:

[abdou2014]

thanks for the advice :)

[JHERICKU]

Qiaozhi s diagram

Thank u for ur kindness..

[Geo]

Diagram is ok but it is a very difficult project especially the ferrite nulling.
I don't suggest it to you.

[abdou2014]

I need to know what is the diameter of the wire and the number of turns inside the ferrite core of mineoro antenna ?
I know the inductance is 2 mH but I have a problem with my LC meter , Thank you !:)

[Geo]

Αlthough i don't remember exactly the turns, they depends from pot core's Al.

[abdou2014]

Thank you .

[abdou2014]

I have another question if you allow, in my region the transmitter is located in the north, in which direction I should search with my LRL?

[aft_72005]

the price for this PD is high,its not possible to make it 100% stable,it drift,this is big price for that kind of locator,the original cost 2.000 dollars the clone 20.000 dollars.
yes it work as a treasure locator but at short distances of only a few meters as Geo confirm this behavior when play with the PD here in my field test,there are videos showing that.


I built the PD Alonso in 2010 and it worked. But the problem was instability. at that time, I believed that the original PD you have also has drift and is unstable.
Whenever I have the time, I will work to fix its instability problem.

[abdou2014]

What is the so exotic and you hidd it ?? :lol::lol:
:lol::lol: ITS EXOTIC SECRET :lol::lol:
NOW I WORK WITH NEW TECH LRLs CREATED BY ME :cool:

[Geo]

:lol::lol: ITS EXOTIC SECRET :lol::lol:
NOW I WORK WITH NEW TECH LRLs CREATED BY ME :cool:

Congratulation.....:lol:

[Geo]

I built the PD Alonso in 2010 and it worked. But the problem was instability. at that time, I believed that the original PD you have also has drift and is unstable.
Whenever I have the time, I will work to fix its instability problem.

The solution is very good components quality. The voltage drift of PS must be lower than 1mv and on base of T13 only few uV. You need a multimeter 5 1/2 digits to check it. After it PD is coming very stable.

[abdou2014]

Congratulation.....:lol:

Thank you dear friend , It's true that it took me a while to understand, but now everything is clear :D

[aft_72005]

The solution is very good components quality. The voltage drift of PS must be lower than 1mv and on base of T13 only few uV. You need a multimeter 5 1/2 digits to check it. After it PD is coming very stable.


Did your PD Alonso also have instability?
In my opinion, the original PD Alonso must also be unstable. In the films that you and Morgan recorded in Portugal.. all the films are only a few seconds and at most a minute... the PD is being processed and explored... there is no film that is being processed and explored for 10 minutes.
Yes, I have very precise measuring equipment.
The use of high-beta transistors in the form of Darlingtons is one of the reasons for the PD's instability.

[aft_72005]

The solution is very good components quality. The voltage drift of PS must be lower than 1mv and on base of T13 only few uV. You need a multimeter 5 1/2 digits to check it. After it PD is coming very stable.


Next item. Morgan reads the messages here but doesn't respond.
Morgan said that the PD can detect a coin from 30 cm. For an Omega coil with a diameter of 10 cm, this is an unusual detection distance!!! Did you test in Portugal to see from what distance it could detect a coin?

[Geo]

Did your PD Alonso also have instability?
In my opinion, the original PD Alonso must also be unstable. In the films that you and Morgan recorded in Portugal.. all the films are only a few seconds and at most a minute... the PD is being processed and explored... there is no film that is being processed and explored for 10 minutes.
Yes, I have very precise measuring equipment.
The use of high-beta transistors in the form of Darlingtons is one of the reasons for the PD's instability.

My PD is very stable. I must turn it on and wait for 1 minute, after it i can adjust it and go.
At Portugal our purpose was to show that PD works and can catch the phenomeno. Our interest was not to show how much good was the PD.
The main problem was that it needed very critical adjustment.

[Geo]

Next item. Morgan reads the messages here but doesn't respond.
Morgan said that the PD can detect a coin from 30 cm. For an Omega coil with a diameter of 10 cm, this is an unusual detection distance!!! Did you test in Portugal to see from what distance it could detect a coin?

I think near to 15 cm, maybe 20 cm max. So does mine pd

[Geo]

The long range detection is a very strange thing. Although i have detect many objects with many lrl i can't say with sure "take this lrl and it will work 100%" :angry:

[aft_72005]

My PD is very stable. I must turn it on and wait for 1 minute, after it i can adjust it and go.
At Portugal our purpose was to show that PD works and can catch the phenomeno. Our interest was not to show how much good was the PD.
The main problem was that it needed very critical adjustment.

My Alonso circuit on the workbench is very stable.
The instability occurs during the search. The place where it becomes unstable is where the metal is buried.

[aft_72005]

I think near to 15 cm, maybe 20 cm max. So does mine pd

Yes.
I have fine-tuned the Omega and it detects coins at best from 20 cm. No more.

[aft_72005]

The long range detection is a very strange thing. Although i have detect many objects with many lrl i can't say with sure "take this lrl and it will work 100%" :angry:

Yes, I have built several long-range circuits.
They don't always work 100%.
Physical and environmental conditions and weather conditions are important.