Alonso and Mineoro....

[Geo]

I want to make here a debate about the Mineoro and Alonso. I want to see Mineoro or Alonso from many optical angles.....
Alonso knows very good about lrls, we saw it from the first PD with the GD 348 schematic. Also Morgan said that the red PD of his Spain friend works better than the known PD. Both PDs constructed by Alonso.
Also we have what Morgan and Hugo wrote .... that they found some small objects with Mineoro. Hugo found 3 golden coins and Morgan some coins (maybe copper). Also a friend at Greece found some copper bidders and a ancient silver coin with Mineoro DC2008. I never found anything with my PDC210 super.
So it is sure that Mineoro works under some conditions and from what we know it is able to locate small objects.
Schematics of Mineoro or PDs are not something special.
So my question is...... """Does the thought, if Mineoro do not wants to give in the market a WORKING lrl;"".
I see some reason that maybe Alonso or Mineoro don't like to sell lrls who works, and it is better from time to time to sell a workable lrl or to make a demostration with a workable lrl as at Paris.

Your opinion????


Regards:)

[J_Player]

I want to make here a debate about the Mineoro and Alonso. I want to see Mineoro or Alonso from many optical angles.....
Alonso knows very good about lrls, we saw it from the first PD with the GD 348 schematic. Also Morgan said that the red PD of his Spain friend works better than the known PD. Both PDs constructed by Alonso.
Also we have what Morgan and Hugo wrote .... that they found some small objects with Mineoro. Hugo found 3 golden coins and Morgan some coins (maybe copper). Also a friend at Greece found some copper bidders and a ancient silver coin with Mineoro DC2008. I never found anything with my PDC210 super.
So it is sure that Mineoro works under some conditions and from what we know it is able to locate small objects.
Schematics of Mineoro or PDs are not something special.
So my question is...... """Does the thought, if Mineoro do not wants to give in the market a WORKING lrl;"".
I see some reason that maybe Alonso or Mineoro don't like to sell lrls who works, and it is better from time to time to sell a workable lrl or to make a demostration with a workable lrl as at Paris.

Your opinion????

Regards:)Hi Geo,
My opinion:
I think the people at Mineoro do not know how to make a working LRL for commercial production.
I think the video from Paris shows a Mineoro FG90 detecting hidden transmitters and contemporary jewelry which Alonso put in the ground to fool people.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Funfinder]

Hi Geo,

Interesting stuff you're asking, but who should know about this things better than you?

There are 2 options:

Either there is the possibility to detect some field anomalies under good conditions or you can find everything just by pure chance.

I heard from a greek user that there is almost no place in Greece where you will not find anything !!!

Your LRL may lead you into some direction or to some larger "hotspot" but the chances are maybe completly the same to find something there by reliable working usual metal-detector if you look 15 meters nearby!


Its good you reasked one of my own question but in a different way:

If Morgan really was able to create something real working out of some old pseudosecret Alonso LRL circuit then it should be clear that Alonso could create much more out of this circuit because:

1. it was his very own circuit
2. he had much more time to experiment (plus 20 years or so)
3. seems that not only Morgan could get something to work with that circuit

Of course it's clear that Alonso's nowadays result still is far away from being an everywhere reliable working detector and perhaps that's the reason why he was seduced by his pride or sense for making more and better money to use some "dirty tricks".

But for me that's not proof enough Alonsos circuits or Mineoro machines are the total completly nonworking crap. Because as I told already - if that would be true Morgan and all those who report having built working PDKs etc. out of those Alonso circuit would be cheaters, too. It's highly doubtful this Alonso circuit was fully useless or notworking for Alonso himself, highly.


Anyway, it's no more fun to sell such a completly unreliable working devices for 10.000 bucks - that's the same unbelievable ripoff like with the OKM bionics.

The publication of this early Alonso circuit deserves this guy absolutly right because his company has not the permission to promote this stupid product as working worldwide and many many persons from the US and Europe waste many thousands of dollars or Euros and get nothing than a nonworking wonderbox in return.
So at least with this publishing it was able to look behind the scenes and experimenting until someone finds out something almost really reliable working, as example Morgan if he tells us the full truth.


And now please Geo stop asking about "opinions" but try to explain the LRL working principle by and electronical basis if you can.

As I see it from other posts from you it is based on the phase-shift or magnetical component of EM-field differences or imbalances on certain frequencies like 67kHz etc. Of course this only works if some radiation of that frequency is available at all. Perhaps there also is some interference by powerful horizontally distracted static fields.

Geo, I really hope a short look at the primary antenna / detection circuit is enough for you to know what's going on there - and what not. Those won't detecting air-pressure or temperature per instance!

[Geo]

Hi. I don't like to stop this debate here. Before short time another member from Italy made a workable LRL. So we must look it very deep. When Morgan begun to demostrate the PD, Esteban told us to go at a prive forum because the PD would be a 200$ detector for the Chinese companies!!!!!. Why??, because if someone decrypt the secret then the only that he needs is a few cheap components. Mineoro and Alonso knows it very well. If they give to the market a workable LRL, after 2..3 months the market will be full with cheap chinese lrls. So maybe it is better to give at market a non workable lrl or a lrl that needs very special conditions to work, and from time to time to make a demostration so to show that their lrl works good. As i know Alonso when goes for demostration, always he works with his own Mineoro, why????

[WM6]

As i know Alonso when goes for demostration, always he works with his own Mineoro, why????



Why?
Alonso answered: "Why not?"
"There's a sucker born every minute."
So, why not?
"Sheep for shearing, lambs to the slaughter." (Holy Bible)

[J_Player]

As i know Alonso when goes for demostration, always he works with his own Mineoro, why????Is it because his own Mineoro has a special receiver hidden inside to beep when it is triggered by transmitters? :shrug:


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Noooo, you have not right????
If inside the FG90 of Alonso there was a transmitter then when they went near to gold (i refered to Paris) the signal would very strong and the Mineoro would go up of the transmiter.
But all are very simple. Alonso has a sensitive lrl and with it locates the buried objects.
And he don't like to give the secret out because it is so simple that many factories will construct it, and he will stop to take money......: Lol:

[Geo]

Why?
Alonso answered: "Why not?"
"There's a sucker born every minute."
So, why not?
"Sheep for shearing, lambs to the slaughter." (Holy Bible)

As i know Alonso don't know English so he can't read here.......

From the other side here it is not the best site for him : Lol:: Lol:

[Funfinder]

This can't be serious, this must be a huge joke here! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Unbelievable.

What is this here, a circus of story-tellers or a forum for technical interested people? :nono: :nono: :nono:


@ Geo


Before short time another member from Italy made a workable LRL.

Yeah, shure, stories nothing that stories without any proofs as always!

When Morgan begun to demostrate the PD, Esteban told us to go at a prive forum because the PD would be a 200$ detector for the Chinese companies!!!!!.

Oh what a shame and pity, Mineoro would loose 9 800 $ for his non reliable or not at all working wonder-machines, you can't imagine how I would suffer if the bad chinese plagiate people would start to copy this crap and sell it 50 times cheaper. :lol: :lol:

What do you think Esteban, Geo, Morgan & Co.? That you are the bosses of some great and fantastic conspiracy that holds the key to the working LRL universe?

No you are not, the proof is that there are alot other companies like OKM, Crypton other greek and now, if the info is correct even an italian company that know about that not realy so holy and secret grail. Unbelievable!

Why??, because if someone decrypt the secret then the only that he needs is a few cheap components.

Decrypt the secret - the best joke ever! Priceless. :D
And if the chinese decrypts the secret of a hazelnut-dowsing-rods they will flood the world with penny-cheap doswing rods made of bamboo (bambus, I'm too lazy for google translate now :lol: )

So at least you Geo have decryted the secret why it's completly useless to waste my precious time in this forum - somebody never will get any meaningful information here, anyway!

Who do you guys think you are?

Mineoro per instance was completly unable over many years to pass the challenging proof test of Carl Moreland and you Geo and Morgan also will not pass it with your unreliable experimentation cicuits otherwise you would be not really clever not grabbing that high price-money of 10.000 or even 25.000 dollars.

The holy grail maker Mineoro wasn't able and with your copied and improved old-school Alonso circuits you won't do any better!


Nothing against you, Geo, I fully respect your tinkering, inventions-work and tests but you seem not to getting the point:

The big challenge is to discover the possibility to get a REAL RELIABLE working LRL device and not such "I only will work if the weather is nice - crap" Mineoro and other companies are providing which drive already alot people mad!

btw. I doubt there is any big secrets you can hide by such simple circuits - this is your pure wish-thinking for people that think this way they would be more important.

And as I told already there are already enough people who know about your so called secret and if the chinese really would copy one of this unfamous LRL-s all they would have to do is just buy one of those already available units! JUST ONE! God beware they do this and flood the world with notworking crap!

Geo, with your view of things you are like an engineer that stops on the half of the way. It's like producing a black-white TV while producing a colour-TV is the real goal (= a real reliable working LRL).

So maybe it is better to give at market a non workable lrl or a lrl that needs very special conditions to work,

Give the market? Are you serious?
No smart thinking company is stupid enough to sell nonworking or just 1 out of 10 times working electronical-crap! They can close their business after 1 month if the message goes around what kind of worthless crap they are selling.

and from time to time to make a demostration so to show that their lrl works good

How? By a manipulativable or even deceiving youtube video? They won't make a demonstration journey to all of their already completly unsatisfied customers!

As i know Alonso when goes for demostration, always he works with his own Mineoro, why????

It doesn't matter with what model, but under what circumstances!
He shall go to Carls test-circuit or pass that other Randy test etc. or let proof his device under scientifical testing conditions, thats all.

Now I need google translate but for just one word:

We don't need any cheap bags player tricks!

[Morgan]

Hi. I don't like to stop this debate here. Before short time another member from Italy made a workable LRL. So we must look it very deep. When Morgan begun to demostrate the PD, Esteban told us to go at a prive forum because the PD would be a 200$ detector for the Chinese companies!!!!!. Why??, because if someone decrypt the secret then the only that he needs is a few cheap components. Mineoro and Alonso knows it very well. If they give to the market a workable LRL, after 2..3 months the market will be full with cheap chinese lrls. So maybe it is better to give at market a non workable lrl or a lrl that needs very special conditions to work, and from time to time to make a demostration so to show that their lrl works good. As i know Alonso when goes for demostration, always he works with his own Mineoro, why????

Hi Geo


I think Alonso using the hide transmitter tricks to sell more MINEORO, becouse this is also a tricky LRL that need special weather conditions to work,however the MINEORO is still a LRL (whith extra high price fo the field performance). Perhaps he use tricks in France and Mexico with the intention to make sure of good business there,imagine if the expedition to the french forest not produce gold or silver finds,what he sells there ?nobody interested in FG 90...

About the MINEORO circuits,i agree,this is a LRL,if Alonso limits the power in the receiver,this is a good question...
One friend who search with him told me Alonso make many gold finds near him,without tricks,but he uses the TESLA LRL,and he never sold TESLA at MINEORO factory,seems it is a handmade only for the known elite of TH.

Regards

[Morgan]

Noooo, you have not right????
If inside the FG90 of Alonso there was a transmitter then when they went near to gold (i refered to Paris) the signal would very strong and the Mineoro would go up of the transmiter.
But all are very simple. Alonso has a sensitive lrl and with it locates the buried objects.
And he don't like to give the secret out because it is so simple that many factories will construct it, and he will stop to take money......: Lol:

Geo,the french friend who participate there,told me the objects was not produced in France,what a coincidence,and after Alonsos search the forest,other coins and jewlery was found there with metal locators,missed by the FG90...

[Funfinder]

Noooo, you have not right????
If inside the FG90 of Alonso there was a transmitter then when they went near to gold (i refered to Paris) the signal would very strong and the Mineoro would go up of the transmiter.
But all are very simple. Alonso has a sensitive lrl and with it locates the buried objects.
And he don't like to give the secret out because it is so simple that many factories will construct it, and he will stop to take money......: Lol:

give the secret out because it is so simple

Yeah, the big "secret" is that metal objects do interact with electromagnetical fields and therefore distort, catch, absorb, interupt, lead, collect, insulate, reflect, convert, change or whatever them!

I'm so glad Mineoro not has created lrl-diamond-detectors, too!

[Geo]

This can't be serious, this must be a huge joke here! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Unbelievable.

What is this here, a circus of story-tellers or a forum for technical interested people? :nono: :nono: :nono:


@ Geo




Yeah, shure, stories nothing that stories without any proofs as always!



Oh what a shame and pity, Mineoro would loose 9 800 $ for his non reliable or not at all working wonder-machines, you can't imagine how I would suffer if the bad chinese plagiate people would start to copy this crap and sell it 50 times cheaper. :lol: :lol:

What do you think Esteban, Geo, Morgan & Co.? That you are the bosses of some great and fantastic conspiracy that holds the key to the working LRL universe?

If i am at Mineoro company then i have a lot of money. Thanks for copliment...

No you are not, the proof is that there are alot other companies like OKM, Crypton other greek and now, if the info is correct even an italian company that know about that not realy so holy and secret grail. Unbelievable!

Members of RS forum knows about the italy member. Of course you don't know : Lol:



Decrypt the secret - the best joke ever! Priceless. :D
And if the chinese decrypts the secret of a hazelnut-dowsing-rods they will flood the world with penny-cheap doswing rods made of bamboo (bambus, I'm too lazy for google translate now :lol: )

Here what Esteban wrote....
I personally can't post this schematic in public for the simple reason that in few months will be in market at US$ 200!!!

So at least you Geo have decryted the secret why it's completly useless to waste my precious time in this forum - somebody never will get any meaningful information here, anyway!

Who do you guys think you are?

Mineoro per instance was completly unable over many years to pass the challenging proof test of Carl Moreland and you Geo and Morgan also will not pass it with your unreliable experimentation cicuits otherwise you would be not really clever not grabbing that high price-money of 10.000 or even 25.000 dollars.

You don't know very well....
Alonso and Damasio agreeded to come to Carl for test but they needed 25+25=50.000$

Also Esteban said to go to Carl for the 25000$ plus TV rights but J_P wrote that Carl that time had not the money




Nothing against you, Geo, I fully respect your tinkering, inventions-work and tests but you seem not to getting the point:



Very big text so i can't reply to all of this. Maybe slowly slowly because my English are not so good as yours!!!!

With red letters my reply...

[Geo]

Hi Geo


I think Alonso using the hide transmitter tricks to sell more MINEORO, becouse this is also a tricky LRL that need special weather conditions to work,however the MINEORO is still a LRL (whith extra high price fo the field performance). Perhaps he use tricks in France and Mexico with the intention to make sure of good business there,imagine if the expedition to the french forest not produce gold or silver finds,what he sells there ?nobody interested in FG 90...

About the MINEORO circuits,i agree,this is a LRL,if Alonso limits the power in the receiver,this is a good question...
One friend who search with him told me Alonso make many gold finds near him,without tricks,but he uses the TESLA LRL,and he never sold TESLA at MINEORO factory,seems it is a handmade only for the known elite of TH.

Regards


Tesla has not any special circuit....
You wrote that you found few small objects (i think coins) with your DC2008, a friend of me found a silver coin, Hugo found 3 gold coins... so i can't say that Mineoro is a fraud at all. This is the reason that i wonder why Alonso use always his own detector....

Regards

[Geo]

Geo,the french friend who participate there,told me the objects was not produced in France,what a coincidence,and after Alonsos search the forest,other coins and jewlery was found there with metal locators,missed by the FG90...

If at forest they found other coins and jewlery then why this who found Alonso is a trick???
All the other was French????
And if they are sure that Alonso used some tricks why they don't make a video and to post it at utube??? it is so simple!!!!

:)

[WM6]

As i know Alonso when goes for demostration, always he works with his own Mineoro, why????



Geo, at least, if this mean, that only working mineoro was Alonso demonstrating models, then you agree that mineoro models on sale are crap.

But probably they would not to sell crap if they were able to produce real LRL. But they are not and need scaming tricks to attract buyers.

Either way you look, mineoro sell crap, not real LRL.

[Morgan]

If at forest they found other coins and jewlery then why this who found Alonso is a trick???
All the other was French????
And if they are sure that Alonso used some tricks why they don't make a video and to post it at utube??? it is so simple!!!!

:)

Hi

The objects found there after Master Alonso return home are ancient and some modern too,this was what everybody aspect to find with FG90,but not the low gold karat cheap jewellry located by Alonso ,this objects was probaly insert in the ground (very fast )by Patricia when some kind of transmitter was activated to start the MINEORO beeps . But this means nothing, for me Damasio & Alonso are the pioneers in LRL circuits and the tricks used are only to atract clients to buy the factory production and create famous for the brand.
Yes,i found a few objects with the DC2008 ,silver coin,a few objects and a golden buckle, but with DC2006 i found only a silver spon,and distances was short, this devices work only with special weather conditions,it is the same if you have a special car that need rainbow days to start the motor,or a lazy horse ...
If they make all MINEORO to behave like this,and have knowledge to make them to work fine in all weather conditions,i realy dont know.


regards

18336

[Fred]

(...) this devices work only with special weather conditions,it is the same if you have a special car that need rainbow days to start the motor,or a lazy horse ...
18336

This is exactly what i wrote long time ago: Long time buried metal, under special conditions, may create some effect or field distortions, that could be detected at a larger distance than conventional detector...Maybe. But it is too unreliable to be useful.
The rest is trick of the mind and scam.

Chineses are smart, they don´t copy crap :p

[J_Player]

...the low gold karat cheap jewellry located by Alonso, this objects was probaly insert in the ground (very fast ) by Patricia when some kind of transmitter was activated to start the MINEORO beeps.

...the tricks used are only to atract clients to buy the factory production and create famous for the brand.

I agree with Morgan
I think Alonso put the fake targets in the ground and used transmitters to cause the Mineoro locator to make beeps from long distance at his Paris demonstration.
Here are four reasons why I think Morgan is correct:

1. Wrong target found in Paris:
The jewelry they find when Alonso and Patricia are making the demonstration is fake low-carat jewelry that was put in the ground.
This is not same high grade gold and ancient coins which people find in this area.
I believe they also used a transmitter to cause beeps at the FG90 when they were using it to find the fake treasure,
because FG90 cannot find fresh gold from the long distance we see in the Video.
FG90 does not work better than a metal detector for fresh gold.

2. There is more proof - Witness at the Paris demonstration saw FG90 does not work as Alonso demonstrated:
One witness from the French treasure hunting distributor watched them recover the cheap ear ring during the video in Paris.
After he saw this amazing recovery from Alonso and Patricia, sent an email to Morgan to say he bought a Mineoro FG90.
But he became very disappointed when nobody can find amazing detection with the FG90 like they see from Alonso and Patricia.
He can see it is not working as Alonso showed them in his demonstration.
I believe Morgan is correct:
A hidden transmitter caused Alonos's FG90 make beeps to find cheap jewelry that they put into the ground during their Paris visit.

3. Alonso left more more proof that he hides transmitters and buries fake targets.
Robalocarpanda from Mexico told us about a gold bracelet which he recovered when he was with Chacho in 2010.
A photo of this recovery was put in Mineoro facebook when they found it in 2010.
Then two years later, Robalocarpanda watched Alonso make a demonstration in Mexico to convince a customer in 2012.
Robalocarpanda watched Alonso and his factory helpers recover this exact same bracelet from 2010 again to fool a customer to believe they found a new long-time buried treasure.
They found Alonso's transmitter at this place where he made the fake demonstration in Mexico in 2012.
See Robalocarpanda's report of this fraud demonstration here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143252&postcount=141

It is not possible for this bracelet to be buried there in 2012 unless Alonso or Chaco or Filipe put it there, because it was already recovered in 2010.
The proof is on the Mineoro facebook photo here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=329410943814499&set=a.216078811814380.55533.216042025151392&type=1&permPage=1
See the photo that Mineoro posted to show this bracelet was recovered in 2010, not in 2012!

It is also certain that the Alonso and his factory team brought the transmitter to this demonsration, which the Mexican team discovered later.
Transmitters are not naturally found beeping in the treasure hunting areas of Mexico unless someone puts them there.
The words of Robalocarpanda who originally found that bracelet with Chacho in 2010: "...the bracelet is lie"

4. -- More proof:
According to the witnesses report, Alonso admitted that he put another transmitter in the ground at the time when he stole the gold from the Mexican team,
to fool them so they would believe the gold is still in the ground after he took it away.
Here is the transmitter they found when they discovered that Alonso stole their gold:

Alonso hidden transmitter is discovered:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18021&stc=1&d=1343984491

This is not a fraud that Mineoro will do only on rare occasions - This is the standard business method for Mineoro.
Hidden transmitters, fake targets, and other tricks are Mineoro's standard method to convince customers that their locators are really working as amazing LRLs.
They sell crap LRLs. And they use tricks to convince people that their equipment will find small targets from long range.
Mineoro has been using tricks and fake targets to fool people from before the time when Morgan visited their factory in 2007 and discovered their fraud.
Morgan has the correct idea to believe that Mineoro factory people use hidden transmitters, fake targets, and other tricks to fool customers.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Geo, at least, if this mean, that only working mineoro was Alonso demonstrating models, then you agree that mineoro models on sale are crap.

But probably they would not to sell crap if they were able to produce real LRL. But they are not and need scaming tricks to attract buyers.

Either way you look, mineoro sell crap, not real LRL.


I don't like to promote the Mineoro.
My rule of this thread was to see what is happening between mineoro and Alonso. I wanted to tell what i believe (that Mineoro works but not good because they don't like to make it to work good). Also i wrote that when i had a Mineoro i never found anything. From the other side Alonso makes many LRL who works but there are many people who bought from him and did not work.
Very simple i am looking for all the true...

[Geo]

Hi

The objects found there after Master Alonso return home are ancient and some modern too,this was what everybody aspect to find with FG90,but not the low gold karat cheap jewellry located by Alonso ,this objects was probaly insert in the ground (very fast )by Patricia when some kind of transmitter was activated to start the MINEORO beeps . But this means nothing, for me Damasio & Alonso are the pioneers in LRL circuits and the tricks used are only to atract clients to buy the factory production and create famous for the brand.
Yes,i found a few objects with the DC2008 ,silver coin,a few objects and a golden buckle, but with DC2006 i found only a silver spon,and distances was short, this devices work only with special weather conditions,it is the same if you have a special car that need rainbow days to start the motor,or a lazy horse ...
If they make all MINEORO to behave like this,and have knowledge to make them to work fine in all weather conditions,i realy dont know.


regards

18336

I agree at all

:):)

[Geo]

I agree with Morgan
I think Alonso put the fake targets in the ground and used transmitters to cause the Mineoro locator to make beeps from long distance at his Paris demonstration.
Here are four reasons why I think Morgan is correct:

1. Wrong target found in Paris:
The jewelry they find when Alonso and Patricia are making the demonstration is fake low-carat jewelry that was put in the ground.
This is not same high grade gold and ancient coins which people find in this area.
I believe they also used a transmitter to cause beeps at the FG90 when they were using it to find the fake treasure,
because FG90 cannot find fresh gold from the long distance we see in the Video.
FG90 does not work better than a metal detector for fresh gold.

2. There is more proof - Witness at the Paris demonstration saw FG90 does not work as Alonso demonstrated:
One witness from the French treasure hunting distributor watched them recover the cheap ear ring during the video in Paris.
After he saw this amazing recovery from Alonso and Patricia, sent an email to Morgan to say he bought a Mineoro FG90.
But he became very disappointed when nobody can find amazing detection with the FG90 like they see from Alonso and Patricia.
He can see it is not working as Alonso showed them in his demonstration.
I believe Morgan is correct:
A hidden transmitter caused Alonos's FG90 make beeps to find cheap jewelry that they put into the ground during their Paris visit.

3. Alonso left more more proof that he hides transmitters and buries fake targets.
Robalocarpanda from Mexico told us about a gold bracelet which he recovered when he was with Chacho in 2010.
A photo of this recovery was put in Mineoro facebook when they found it in 2010.
Then two years later, Robalocarpanda watched Alonso make a demonstration in Mexico to convince a customer in 2012.
Robalocarpanda watched Alonso and his factory helpers recover this exact same bracelet from 2010 again to fool a customer to believe they found a new long-time buried treasure.
They found Alonso's transmitter at this place where he made the fake demonstration in Mexico in 2012.
See Robalocarpanda's report of this fraud demonstration here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143252&postcount=141

It is not possible for this bracelet to be buried there in 2012 unless Alonso or Chaco or Filipe put it there, because it was already recovered in 2010.
The proof is on the Mineoro facebook photo here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=329410943814499&set=a.216078811814380.55533.216042025151392&type=1&permPage=1
See the photo that Mineoro posted to show this bracelet was recovered in 2010, not in 2012!

It is also certain that the Alonso and his factory team brought the transmitter to this demonsration, which the Mexican team discovered later.
Transmitters are not naturally found beeping in the treasure hunting areas of Mexico unless someone puts them there.
The words of Robalocarpanda who originally found that bracelet with Chacho in 2010: "...the bracelet is lie"

4. -- More proof:
According to the witnesses report, Alonso admitted that he put another transmitter in the ground at the time when he stole the gold from the Mexican team,
to fool them so they would believe the gold is still in the ground after he took it away.
Here is the transmitter they found when they discovered that Alonso stole their gold:

Alonso hidden transmitter is discovered:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18021&stc=1&d=1343984491

This is not a fraud that Mineoro will do only on rare occasions - This is the standard business method for Mineoro.
Hidden transmitters, fake targets, and other tricks are Mineoro's standard method to convince customers that their locators are really working as amazing LRLs.
They sell crap LRLs. And they use tricks to convince people that their equipment will find small targets from long range.
Mineoro has been using tricks and fake targets to fool people from before the time when Morgan visited their factory in 2007 and discovered their fraud.
Morgan has the correct idea to believe that Mineoro factory people use hidden transmitters, fake targets, and other tricks to fool customers.


Best wishes, :)
J_P


Hi J_P.
I agree at 3 and 4.
But i don't at 1 and 2.

Nobody saw Patricia to put the ear ring to the ground. Also there are times that we see patricia and Alonso to have free their hands when mineoro beeps. Also it is not possible for me to syncro so well the beep with a button of a transmitter. Yesterday i ask a friend who has a FG80 and he found few objects how he "see" the video at Paris. He told me that it is ok because when he found silver objects the signal was so clear and some times with double beep.
In the case of the Hugo "Robalocarapanda", yes Alonso used a hidden transmitter to steal the gold but also hugo wrote that he found 3 gold coins with the Mineoro.
As for fresh gold..... this is a real crap. They don't locate fresh gold as a metal detector but very very worse...

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

The objects found there after Master Alonso return home are ancient and some modern too,this was what everybody aspect to find with FG90,but not the low gold karat cheap jewellry located by Alonso ,this objects was probaly insert in the ground (very fast )by Patricia when some kind of transmitter was activated to start the MINEORO beeps . But this means nothing, for me Damasio & Alonso are the pioneers in LRL circuits and the tricks used are only to atract clients to buy the factory production and create famous for the brand.
You must ask yourself a simple question:
If the FG90 worked as advertised, would there would be any need to use tricks to create a "famous brand"? Such deception serves only to create an "infamous brand".

Also, maybe nobody saw the demonstrators put the cheap jewelery into the ground, but (of course) that is why it's called sleight of hand. You're not supposed to see it.

[humhum]

Hi to All
Before one year my home made Mineoro LRL (so like PDC210) was not work in winter day , but now I found new method for search into humidity and now works very best in winter day without problem.

Regards.

[humhum]

About the MINEORO circuits,i agree,this is a LRL,if Alonso limits the power in the receiver,this is a good question...
One friend who search with him told me Alonso make many gold finds near him,without tricks,but he uses the TESLA LRL,and he never sold TESLA at MINEORO factory,seems it is a handmade only for the known elite of TH.

Regards

Hi Morgan, with how method works TESLA LRL , do you know how is Tube inside of Tesla LrL sensor. Do use Tesla LRL Tx , Rx , coil or IR light ?

[Geo]

Hi Morgan, with how method works TESLA LRL , do you know how is Tube inside of Tesla LrL sensor. Do use Tesla LRL Tx , Rx , coil or IR light ?

It works like PI!!!!
A tesla coil produce hight voltage. At off condition there is a Rx coil with a amplifier......

[Geo]

You must ask yourself a simple question:
If the FG90 worked as advertised, would there would be any need to use tricks to create a "famous brand"? Such deception serves only to create an "infamous brand".

Also, maybe nobody saw the demonstrators put the cheap jewelery into the ground, but (of course) that is why it's called sleight of hand. You're not supposed to see it.

Maybe you did not read all from start.
Alonso don't like to give a workable lrl. If all the lrl works then after short time a lot of factories will construct clones.....
We have some examples where he made workable lrls, so he have the "know how".
This was the reason that i opened this thread......
From one side we see lrls that works and from the other we see some crap.....
:nerd::nerd:

[Qiaozhi]

Maybe you did not read all from start.
Alonso don't like to give a workable lrl. If all the lrl works then after short time a lot of factories will construct clones.....
We have some examples where he made workable lrls, so he have the "know how".
This was the reason that i opened this thread......
From one side we see lrls that works and from the other we see some crap.....
:nerd::nerd:
Actually I did read it all from the start. However, I do not buy the idea that Alonso doesn't like to make a workable LRL. If this were true, then why bother to travel all the way to France to perpetrate a deception?

Everything seems to point to the fact that these devices do not actually work as advertised. That's the reason for the deception. You can continue to believe that it's all about protecting the idea, but the truth is that it's all just nonsense.

[humhum]

I think that (maybe) when Alonso uses Mineoro , uses extra any thing as I use in the winter days for good sens , and many people know what that is.

Regards.

[humhum]

It works like PI!!!!
A tesla coil produce hight voltage. At off condition there is a Rx coil with a amplifier......


Master Geo, Do you have (Tube inside) photos of Tesla LRL ?
If you have Please send me. ;)

husoasil@mynet.com (husoasil_4@yahoo.com)


Regards.

[Fred]

Arrgh, come on Geo...The guy don´t want to share its "know how", but still wants to rip off people by selling useless boxes at very high prices...
I believe that for the buyers too, the lrl´s looked "workable" when they gave their money ..:rolleyes:


Maybe you did not read all from start.
Alonso don't like to give a workable lrl. If all the lrl works then after short time a lot of factories will construct clones.....
We have some examples where he made workable lrls, so he have the "know how".
This was the reason that i opened this thread......
From one side we see lrls that works and from the other we see some crap.....
:nerd::nerd:

[Fred]

I think that (maybe) when Alonso uses Mineoro , uses extra any thing as I use in the winter days for good sens , and many people know what that is.

Regards.

Vodka? Whiskey ?
Ah, i know: Cachaça !!

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan, with how method works TESLA LRL , do you know how is Tube inside of Tesla LrL sensor. Do use Tesla LRL Tx , Rx , coil or IR light ?

no master humhum,i never use the TESLA LRL,i know reports of a spanish friend who visit Alonso in Paraguai.

[Geo]

Arrgh, come on Geo...The guy don´t want to share its "know how", but still wants to rip off people by selling useless boxes at very high prices...
I believe that for the buyers too, the lrl´s looked "workable" when they gave their money ..:rolleyes:

I never said that he is the Saint Alonso : Lol:: Lol:

[Funfinder]

@ Geo

Hope you know that what you are doing is protecting a criminal?!

Because you make a big secret out of this pseudo-circuit and you give the impression that it will work for real - which it does not.

Or in other words:
Seems you have an obligation to support the work of this cunning swindler, some kinda deal, and that's why you have no interest for an open LRL discussion concerning the working principles and possibilities for improvements etc. - all things which are the reason for a forum like this, otherwise what do ya want here at all?

Look, Geo, it's not your fault that Alonsos tricks had been discovered (and by the way I have no idea how hard is the evidence in this case!) but this is no more simple candy-stealing by a child in a supermarket, this is an act of massive deceiving !!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

Hard working treasure hunters want to convince themselves personally if its worth to invest 10.000 dollars TEN-THOUSAND!!! by traveling to Brazil which additional costs alot of money and then they get cheated, tricked and betrayed there!! We are not talking about 100 dollars but 100 x 100 dollars plus around 2000 dollars for the trip!

And you, Geo, as a loyal and devote "fan" or whatever from that Alonso think its your duty to keep his holy grail secret!

It would be OK if this person would work on an fair and respectful basis, but not under such circumstances!


Geo and also Morgan, I hope you know the saying:

Together gone, together hung!

The meaning is that if you are the friends of a criminal other persons will see in you criminals, too and treat you like criminals!

Especially Morgan should have no motivation or intention at all to stay at Alonsos side after he was tricked personally 5 years ago (or when it was exactly) in buying this nonworking Mineoro. If I remember correctly Morgan even offered Alonso 10-20% of the gold if he would finds it, and Alonso of course promised that he will find this gold.


Geo, you're really living on the knife-edge.

You will have to decide in the public if you are pro or against this Alonso, if you are helping covering his crimes or if you are helping to discover the truth about that ominous LRL-circuits.

You must choose. Good luck.

[WM6]

I never said that he is the Saint Alonso : Lol:: Lol:



You don't Geo, but he is Saint, proven:

[humhum]

Vodka? Whiskey ?
Ah, i know: Cachaça !!


:nono: No, dear Fred, and you know that the answer is not what, the answer is in this forum.

[Geo]

@ Geo

Hope you know that what you are doing is protecting a criminal?!

Because you make a big secret out of this pseudo-circuit and you give the impression that it will work for real - which it does not.

Or in other words:
Seems you have an obligation to support the work of this cunning swindler, some kinda deal, and that's why you have no interest for an open LRL discussion concerning the working principles and possibilities for improvements etc. - all things which are the reason for a forum like this, otherwise what do ya want here at all?

Look, Geo, it's not your fault that Alonsos tricks had been discovered (and by the way I have no idea how hard is the evidence in this case!) but this is no more simple candy-stealing by a child in a supermarket, this is an act of massive deceiving !!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

Hard working treasure hunters want to convince themselves personally if its worth to invest 10.000 dollars TEN-THOUSAND!!! by traveling to Brazil which additional costs alot of money and then they get cheated, tricked and betrayed there!! We are not talking about 100 dollars but 100 x 100 dollars plus around 2000 dollars for the trip!

And you, Geo, as a loyal and devote "fan" or whatever from that Alonso think its your duty to keep his holy grail secret!

It would be OK if this person would work on an fair and respectful basis, but not under such circumstances!


Geo and also Morgan, I hope you know the saying:

Together gone, together hung!

The meaning is that if you are the friends of a criminal other persons will see in you criminals, too and treat you like criminals!

Especially Morgan should have no motivation or intention at all to stay at Alonsos side after he was tricked personally 5 years ago (or when it was exactly) in buying this nonworking Mineoro. If I remember correctly Morgan even offered Alonso 10-20% of the gold if he would finds it, and Alonso of course promised that he will find this gold.


Geo, you're really living on the knife-edge.

You will have to decide in the public if you are pro or against this Alonso, if you are helping covering his crimes or if you are helping to discover the truth about that ominous LRL-circuits.

You must choose. Good luck.


It is very simple!!!.
I am looking only for the true.
I don't know Alonso and he don't know me, so i have not any reason to promote him.
But something don't like me so i want to looking for it.
Before years i had a PDC210_super but it never worked for me. This does not mean that all PDC don't work at all, maybe an other owner to found something. For example Carl bought a FG80 before years but he never found anything with it. This don't mean that all FG80 don't work because a friend of me found some coins with it.
So what i write is not a propaganda but it is the way to the true...., very simple i want and the opinion from other members so to close the pazl.



Regards

[Geo]

Master Geo, Do you have (Tube inside) photos of Tesla LRL ?
If you have Please send me. ;)

husoasil@mynet.com (husoasil_4@yahoo.com)


Regards.

Hi, i did not find them. Maybe i have at back-up DVDs. If i find i"ll post here

Regards

[WM6]

No you are not, the proof is that there are alot other companies like OKM, Crypton other greek and now, if the info is correct even an italian company that know about that not realy so holy and secret grail. Unbelievable!




OKM Sitz befindet sich in Funfminuten(Geld)weg 6, aufs Windscheibe.

Alles klar.

[Funfinder]

@ WM6


OKM Sitz befindet sich in Funfminuten(Geld)weg 6, aufs Windscheibe.

Alles klar.


Your little ironic message translated for our not german audience:
OKM resides at the "In less than 5 minutes money-(a)Way" Nr.6

But what means at windshield?



@ Geo

I am looking only for the true.

Haven't you still discovered the truth by your own Alonso circuit clones?

How reliable works your homebrew-detectors?
Can you exclude that your findings are made by pure coincidence?
Would you think your devices would pass such a test like I have
describe on the other new topic here (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18789) in this forum?

btw. how large is the detection-area if you have found something with your PDK or whatelse you are using? More or less than 2x2 Meters (a circle with 1m radius)


For example Carl bought a FG80 before years but he never found anything with it. This don't mean that all FG80 don't work because a friend of me found some coins with it.


Without really reliable test results you will never know if this was a just by a coincidence, by chance because at this site was scattered a large amount of good finds OR if the Mineoro was working good in that seldom special case.


One clear answer is:
Those Mineoro are never ever worth 10000 of bucks.

And for a person who uses that mean and dirty tricks to rip off so much money from treasure-hunters it is not worth to hide any "oh so special industrial secrets". Or do you want to protect his fraudster business?

Geo, if you know the results of your and Morgans PDK you should have got already some idea how "good" or "unreliable" the Mineoro stuff also would be, even with improvements.

So you know already the answer for what you are looking for by your own tests and field-experiences.

btw. it would be another crime if Mineoro sells 90% fake dummy products and just 10% working ones!


Geo, I really hope you understand now why we have to know if this PDK stuff reliable works at all and on what principles because only that way we can exlude that everything is just a huge BS like Mineoro suggests meanwhile!


As I have said it before in the other new topic here (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18789) :


this question also decides if a LRL company commits a crime or not. They are allowed to sell a device that under certain circumstances REALLY works, but nothing else!

[Morgan]

OKM Sitz befindet sich in Funfminuten(Geld)weg 6, aufs Windscheibe.

Alles klar.

The five minute street,i was there ,its near the first OKM factory.It was a long travel from Munich to the OKM,but we find the OKM useless and put the threads here to save people.


BTW- sckeptic against scketic,will you let this things happens ?...:rolleyes:
well it seems Funfinder allways very nervous...he talk about court,jail etc,maybe he is police man...

[Morgan]

@ WM6



Your little ironic message translated for our not german audience:
OKM resides at the "In less than 5 minutes money-(a)Way" Nr.6

But what means at windshield?



@ Geo



Haven't you still discovered the truth by your own Alonso circuit clones?

How reliable works your homebrew-detectors?
Can you exclude that your findings are made by pure coincidence?
Would you think your devices would pass such a test like I have
describe on the other new topic here (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18789) in this forum?

btw. how large is the detection-area if you have found something with your PDK or whatelse you are using? More or less than 2x2 Meters (a circle with 1m radius)




Without really reliable test results you will never know if this was a just by a coincidence, by chance because at this site was scattered a large amount of good finds OR if the Mineoro was working good in that seldom special case.


One clear answer is:
Those Mineoro are never ever worth 10000 of bucks.

And for a person who uses that mean and dirty tricks to rip off so much money from treasure-hunters it is not worth to hide any "oh so special industrial secrets". Or do you want to protect his fraudster business?

Geo, if you know the results of your and Morgans PDK you should have got already some idea how "good" or "unreliable" the Mineoro stuff also would be, even with improvements.

So you know already the answer for what you are looking for by your own tests and field-experiences.

btw. it would be another crime if Mineoro sells 90% fake dummy products and just 10% working ones!


Geo, I really hope you understand now why we have to know if this PDK stuff reliable works at all and on what principles because only that way we can exlude that everything is just a huge BS like Mineoro suggests meanwhile!


As I have said it before in the other new topic here (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18789) :

Hi Funfinder

You are policeman,or maybe justice man ? lets keep Alonso away from this justice or jail troubles,this man together with Damasio (R.I.P) was the pioneers of LRL,also Esteban.

Put your strong arm against OKM too,these are great LRL criminals,see the man from Greece KIRIkytos desperate to sell the BIONIC-OKM he pay 12.500 .00 EURO !!! now he ask 8.000E.
At last MINEORO works when weater conditions are great,anyway the price is extremly HIGH its amazing for this bad performance,BUT OKM NOT WORK AS LRL EVEN WITH GOOD WEATER CONDITION !!!

regards

[J_Player]

Hi Funfinder

You are policeman,or maybe justice man ? lets keep Alonso away from this justice or jail troubles,this man together with Damasio (R.I.P) was the pioneers of LRL,also Esteban.

Put your strong arm against OKM too,these are great LRL criminals,see the man from Greece KIRIkytos desperate to sell the BIONIC-OKM he pay 12.500 .00 EURO !!! now he ask 8.000E.
At last MINEORO works when weater conditions are great,anyway the price is extremly HIGH its amazing for this bad performance,BUT OKM NOT WORK AS LRL EVEN WITH GOOD WEATER CONDITION !!!

regardsMorgan, you are wrong.
Alonso and Damasio are not the pioneers of LRLs.
I will prove it, but not in this thread.
This thread is for Geo's questions - not to argue for who is pioneer.
Geo asked if Mineoro company keeps good LRLs away from the market, and if they have better LRLs that they do not sell.

My answer is nobody at Mineoro knows how to produce a commercial LRL which has the ability to show the same performance we saw in the video of the Alonso PD.
They are selling the best locators that they know how to produce commercially.
The only locators which they intentionally make less performance are the locators that cost less money -- like DC2008.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[WM6]

@ WM6



Your little ironic message translated for our not german audience:
OKM resides at the "In less than 5 minutes money-(a)way" Nr.6

But what means at windshield / "aufs Windscheibe"?



in other words "aufs Windscheibe" mean:

"OKM ist voll auf Scheibe." related to residence.

Or something like this. In idiom translation probably: "It" resided in Smartass".

[humhum]

At last MINEORO works when weater conditions are great,anyway the price is extremly HIGH its amazing for this bad performance.

regards

Yes this is True , Mineoro works when weather conditions are great.

[Qiaozhi]

Yes this is True , Mineoro works when weather conditions are great.
Mineoro only works at the point of sale. After that ... :shrug:

[humhum]

Mineoro only works at the point of sale. After that ... :shrug:

You maybe think so , :nono:but I do not think so ,only I see that Mineoro works very good especially in beach and hot country.

Regards.

[J_Player]

You maybe think so , :nono:but I do not think so ,only I see that Mineoro works very good especially in beach and hot country.

Regards.Hi humhum,
I believe you find things when you use Mineoro.
I am interested to know what distance you find these things so we can know the facts as you saw.

At what distance do you find a coin when you use Mineoro on a good day?
At what distance do you find other buried things with mineoro?

Also, other question:
What method do you use for Mineoro on a winter day when there is high humidity?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Why are you objector;;
Why you do not accept the experience of others, but you try spend your view without having experience;;
Is this the pseudoscience :cool:

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Why are you objector;;
Why you do not accept the experience of others, but you try spend your view without having experience;;
Is this the pseudoscience :cool:

Regards:)Hi Geo,
I do not waste my money to buy Mineoro locators, so I will believe true reports of field experience from people who use Mineoro.

I am not objector.
I accept the true facts that others report from their experience...
Look at what people say from their experience:

Geo: "I never found anything with my PDC210 super".

Morgan: "Here is the list of MINEORO MODELS i try in Europe in good sunny day:
PDC210
DCH85
DC2006
DC2008
FG80
No one detect target like we see in the Mineoro video, and with DC2006 model i never find any signals, is a quiet LRL.
FG80 belongs to Connie, and she did not find any targets...
This is why i find the FG90 with some tricky transmiter operating somewere".

humhum: "I think that (maybe) when Alonso uses Mineoro , uses extra any thing..."
"Before one year my home made Mineoro LRL (so like PDC210) was not work in winter day , but now I found new method for search into humidity and now works very best in winter day without problem".
"Mineoro works when weather conditions are great".



I tell humhum I believe he finds things with Mineoro, and I ask to know true facts for how much distance he can detect.
Why do you say this is objector? :nono:

When you start your discussion, you say "I am looking only for the true".
But now you want us to believe only the Geo opinion and propagandas.. You do not want us to learn "the true"..!! :nono: :nono:
ψευδή λογική


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[humhum]

Hi humhum,
I believe you find things when you use Mineoro.
I am interested to know what distance you find these things so we can know the facts as you saw.

At what distance do you find a coin when you use Mineoro on a good day?
At what distance do you find other buried things with mineoro?

Also, other question:
What method do you use for Mineoro on a winter day when there is high humidity?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P


I say that Mineoro works , because my friend is owner of DC2008 and we make test with it in my garden, Before 3 years I bury one dish from bronze and small Silver parts with it. When we make detection with Mineoro DC2008 I see that find my dish from 15 meter and with good pinpointing.
Other story is my friend say that every year he goto sea and detect many ring and etc with DC2008 in beach.
My homemade so like Mineoro device detect this dish on more distance from original Mineoro, but have only problem with pinpointing near 0,5 - 1 meter. İt works like Mineoro and find big buried object from few Km , I try it.

Regards.

;)

[Funfinder]

@ Morgan

>>> but we find the OKM useless and put the threads here to save people.

Who is "we"?

Here are 2-5 people who say the OKM bionic absolutly doesn't work.

And in the whole world are perhaps 500 persons who own this device?

btw. almost the totally same situation as with Mineoro earlier here!

So OKM and Mineoro are producing an absolutly "empty box fantasy product" like a shoebox! :D :nono:

Seems many treasure-hunters have far too much money to buy a shoebox for more than 10.000 Euros or Dollars for no good reason!

Seems they all like it to get betrayed? :(

Some strange form of treasure-hunters masochism? :lol:


Seriously, the amount of opinions and personal experiences in this forum is far too low to give an usable impression whats going on in reality!


>>> Funfinder allways very nervous...

Wrong estimation, I'm very relaxed (as long I don't find any dangerous war relics)


>>> he talk about court,jail etc,maybe he is police man...

Perhaps much worse than that, I'm also the judge against filthy gods and other evil elements! :cool: This world is full of very sinister societies...



>>> lets keep Alonso away from this justice or jail troubles,this man together with Damasio (R.I.P) was the pioneers of LRL,also Esteban.

Why I should? If they create good work, everything is fine, but if they start to play dirty tricks they will dig their own graves!
If they continue with their cheating tricks the problem will be solved very soon. I even have to do anything, the betrayed persons will do the job!




>>> Put your strong arm against OKM too,these are great LRL criminals,see the man from Greece KIRIkytos desperate to sell the BIONIC-OKM he pay 12.500 .00 EURO !!! now he ask 8.000E.

I guess the OKM bionic is totally the same "just 1/10th of all times working" crap as Mineoro is. Noone is that stupid that just gives OKM 10.000 Euro for a full fantasy illusion product.

btw. its not the fine english art if some OKM bionic buyers who already knows by many tests and own experiences that a LRL-device doesn't work, tries to sell this piece of junk for 8.000 Euro!

This is a very serious case of deception! :angry: :angry: :angry:

This guy has to sue OKM so he gets his money back and not resells this device again! Its almost as giving an Ex-girlfriend that has HIV without warning to somebody else and without saying that she has HIV! :angry:



>>> At last MINEORO works when weater conditions are great

What are you saying, this is not true! Ask Carl Moreland and what weather he had while testing his notworking Mineoro! :rolleyes:

This stuff seems to works only by chance, if weather PLUS EM-background noise PLUS magnetical conditions of soil etc. is good enough!


It may be possible to fine-adjust these devices to the local environment or surroundings so somebody like you or humhum can get good results even in winter but the technical status quo of the usual pre-adjusted products is far beyond such good results.




>>> ,anyway the price is extremly HIGH its amazing for this bad performance

I fully agree! This is treasure hunting by exploiting the treasure hunters! :angry:
And that's why I don't respect the work of Alonso. Damiaso perhaps was a fair working and scientifical thinking person, I don't know, so his legacy has the right for some respect, but if J_Player is right those both tinkerers weren't the original inventors of those kinda circuits anyway, just only improvers of them.

Creating devices who are able to find out some field distortions is no big deal.


>>> ,BUT OKM NOT WORK AS LRL EVEN WITH GOOD WEATER CONDITION !!!

So we must inform OKM that their Bionics are absolutly not working at all, no matter under which circumstances! :D :razz:

So they can inform potential buyers who think this stuff would have some value at all in finding treasures! :lol:

I know that was cynical, but just because of the few opinions here in that forum who wanna make us think the OKM LRLs are the absolutly worst bullsh*t of this world, no normal thinking person can built up an objective judgement.


I suggest we make some serious compare-tests!

If one of the Mineoros has catched a good signal (= potentially has found a wanted find) before digging we have to test if the OKM Bionic also detects it.


Morgan, the most simple solution is the following:

Go in summertime with your PDK to the village where the OKM firm resides, wait for sunny weather and detect some finds there.

Take some digipix of the location and leave it alone (don't dig the stuff).

Now all you need to do is visiting that places with the OKM bionic and see what it can find - under same weather conditions and make shure your PDK is still locating that stuff from before.

[J_Player]

I say that Mineoro works , because my friend is owner of DC2008 and we make test with it in my garden, Before 3 years I bury one dish from bronze and small Silver parts with it.
When we make detection with Mineoro DC2008 I see that find my dish from 15 meter and with good pinpointing.
Other story is my friend say that every year he goto sea and detect many ring and etc with DC2008 in beach.
My homemade so like Mineoro device detect this dish on more distance from original Mineoro, but have only problem with pinpointing near 0,5 - 1 meter.
İt works like Mineoro and find big buried object from few Km, I try it.

Regards.

;)Hi humhum,

1. Thank you for telling distance 15 meters for the bronze dish you buried.
What size is your bronze dish - cm diameter?
What are the small silver parts with the dish? Are these silver spoons to use with the dish?
How many cm deep did you bury the dish below the ground surface?

2. What distance does your friend detect a buried ring when he uses DC2008 at the beach?

3. What is the big buried object that your home made Mineoro found from a few Km? Is this a buried gold statue? Maybe a buried car?
When you recovered the big buried object, what size is it?
Did you see the big buried object is 20 cm diameter? 1 meter diameter? maybe bigger?

4. What method do you use for your home made Mineoro on a winter day when there is high humidity?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Morgan]

@ Morgan

>>> but we find the OKM useless and put the threads here to save people.

Who is "we"?

Here are 2-5 people who say the OKM bionic absolutly doesn't work.

And in the whole world are perhaps 500 persons who own this device?

btw. almost the totally same situation as with Mineoro earlier here!

So OKM and Mineoro are producing an absolutly "empty box fantasy product" like a shoebox! :D :nono:

Seems many treasure-hunters have far too much money to buy a shoebox for more than 10.000 Euros or Dollars for no good reason!

Seems they all like it to get betrayed? :(

Some strange form of treasure-hunters masochism? :lol:


Seriously, the amount of opinions and personal experiences in this forum is far too low to give an usable impression whats going on in reality!


>>> Funfinder allways very nervous...

Wrong estimation, I'm very relaxed (as long I don't find any dangerous war relics)


>>> he talk about court,jail etc,maybe he is police man...

Perhaps much worse than that, I'm also the judge against filthy gods and other evil elements! :cool: This world is full of very sinister societies...



>>> lets keep Alonso away from this justice or jail troubles,this man together with Damasio (R.I.P) was the pioneers of LRL,also Esteban.

Why I should? If they create good work, everything is fine, but if they start to play dirty tricks they will dig their own graves!
If they continue with their cheating tricks the problem will be solved very soon. I even have to do anything, the betrayed persons will do the job!




>>> Put your strong arm against OKM too,these are great LRL criminals,see the man from Greece KIRIkytos desperate to sell the BIONIC-OKM he pay 12.500 .00 EURO !!! now he ask 8.000E.

I guess the OKM bionic is totally the same "just 1/10th of all times working" crap as Mineoro is. Noone is that stupid that just gives OKM 10.000 Euro for a full fantasy illusion product.

btw. its not the fine english art if some OKM bionic buyers who already knows by many tests and own experiences that a LRL-device doesn't work, tries to sell this piece of junk for 8.000 Euro!

This is a very serious case of deception! :angry: :angry: :angry:

This guy has to sue OKM so he gets his money back and not resells this device again! Its almost as giving an Ex-girlfriend that has HIV without warning to somebody else and without saying that she has HIV! :angry:



>>> At last MINEORO works when weater conditions are great

What are you saying, this is not true! Ask Carl Moreland and what weather he had while testing his notworking Mineoro! :rolleyes:

This stuff seems to works only by chance, if weather PLUS EM-background noise PLUS magnetical conditions of soil etc. is good enough!


It may be possible to fine-adjust these devices to the local environment or surroundings so somebody like you or humhum can get good results even in winter but the technical status quo of the usual pre-adjusted products is far beyond such good results.




>>> ,anyway the price is extremly HIGH its amazing for this bad performance

I fully agree! This is treasure hunting by exploiting the treasure hunters! :angry:
And that's why I don't respect the work of Alonso. Damiaso perhaps was a fair working and scientifical thinking person, I don't know, so his legacy has the right for some respect, but if J_Player is right those both tinkerers weren't the original inventors of those kinda circuits anyway, just only improvers of them.

Creating devices who are able to find out some field distortions is no big deal.


>>> ,BUT OKM NOT WORK AS LRL EVEN WITH GOOD WEATER CONDITION !!!

So we must inform OKM that their Bionics are absolutly not working at all, no matter under which circumstances! :D :razz:

So they can inform potential buyers who think this stuff would have some value at all in finding treasures! :lol:

I know that was cynical, but just because of the few opinions here in that forum who wanna make us think the OKM LRLs are the absolutly worst bullsh*t of this world, no normal thinking person can built up an objective judgement.


I suggest we make some serious compare-tests!

If one of the Mineoros has catched a good signal (= potentially has found a wanted find) before digging we have to test if the OKM Bionic also detects it.


Morgan, the most simple solution is the following:

Go in summertime with your PDK to the village where the OKM firm resides, wait for sunny weather and detect some finds there.

Take some digipix of the location and leave it alone (don't dig the stuff).

Now all you need to do is visiting that places with the OKM bionic and see what it can find - under same weather conditions and make shure your PDK is still locating that stuff from before.


Hello

I said WE becouse i was in OKM factory with some TH friends.


About the PDK field test near OKM factory is good ideia,the problem is actualy no time to travel. I missing some TH adventures in Germany and Austria,fields full with celtic silver ,and rom. coins...you living in very rich old country

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I do not waste my money to buy Mineoro locators, so I will believe true reports of field experience from people who use Mineoro.

I am not objector.
I accept the true facts that others report from their experience...
Look at what people say from their experience:

Geo: "I never found anything with my PDC210 super".

Morgan: "Here is the list of MINEORO MODELS i try in Europe in good sunny day:
PDC210
DCH85
DC2006
DC2008
FG80
No one detect target like we see in the Mineoro video, and with DC2006 model i never find any signals, is a quiet LRL.
FG80 belongs to Connie, and she did not find any targets...
This is why i find the FG90 with some tricky transmiter operating somewere".

humhum: "I think that (maybe) when Alonso uses Mineoro , uses extra any thing..."
"Before one year my home made Mineoro LRL (so like PDC210) was not work in winter day , but now I found new method for search into humidity and now works very best in winter day without problem".
"Mineoro works when weather conditions are great".



I tell humhum I believe he finds things with Mineoro, and I ask to know true facts for how much distance he can detect.
Why do you say this is objector? :nono:

When you start your discussion, you say "I am looking only for the true".
But now you want us to believe only the Geo opinion and propagandas.. You do not want us to learn "the true"..!! :nono: :nono:
ψευδή λογική


Best Wishes, :)
J_P


Hi J_P.
Really i am looking for the true.
We have examples where Mineoro works and examples where don't work at all.
It is not good to say only the one side....
I don't make propaganda because as you "I do not waste my money to buy Mineoro locators"
I waste my money only once (second hand).

Regards

[humhum]

Hi humhum,

1. Thank you for telling distance 15 meters for the bronze dish you buried.
What size is your bronze dish - cm diameter?
What are the small silver parts with the dish? Are these silver spoons to use with the dish?
How many cm deep did you bury the dish below the ground surface?

2. What distance does your friend detect a buried ring when he uses DC2008 at the beach?

3. What is the big buried object that your home made Mineoro found from a few Km? Is this a buried gold statue? Maybe a buried car?
When you recovered the big buried object, what size is it?
Did you see the big buried object is 20 cm diameter? 1 meter diameter? maybe bigger?

4. What method do you use for your home made Mineoro on a winter day when there is high humidity?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P




Hi J_Player ,
1. My dish is around 22Cm and small silver parts is 18 pcs inside of dish.
2. I not know , he say only that is find many gold ring , but from what distance I not know, maybe 1 - 3 meter with DC2008.
3. Size is big, this is treasure . I am sorry but not like more answer or speak for this .:frown:
4. Answer is in this forum, now is secret. ;)
5. Result is Mineoro find from small distance(max. 1600m) with good Pinpoint , but my LRL find from very Long Distance(8000m) with bad Pinpoint. (for example: Big Object- one room with gold).


Regards.:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Really i am looking for the true.
We have examples where Mineoro works and examples where don't work at all.
It is not good to say only the one side....
I don't make propaganda because as you "I do not waste my money to buy Mineoro locators"
I waste my money only once (second hand).

RegardsHi Geo,
I agree.
But I don't say Mineoro dont work at all... :nono:
See above where I agree that humhum is finding targets.
You are making a big BS to say this.

people like Morgan tell they are not good LRL - they are weak and sparsed.
Dell Winders reports they are not as advertised.
Many people post these are not good LRLs for long range.
Only hung and humhum are reporting excellent detection, and I try to learn more.
But I do not see answers to learn the details.
I see accusation that I am only looking at one side! :nono:

We were warned many years ago to not waste our time and money on Mineoro.
I can show you many forum posts which show people who used Mineoro in their hands to find the same results as you found.

I can also show more examples of people who find no detection at all from Mineoro -- only detecting electronic noise and transmitters. Their reports are also true.
Carl-NC does not post false reports.
Michael does not post false reports.
Neronc does not post false reports.
so we must also see what they report from their testing if we want to know the truth.
We cannot only believe the Geo propaganda when we have evidence and facts which show most people report no detection.


What I say is:
"They are selling the best locators that they know how to produce commercially.
The only locators which they intentionally make less performance are the locators that cost less money -- like DC2008".
You can scroll up and see for yourself!

Why should we believe only the Geo propaganda when Morgan tells us he believes they used transmitters and fake targets in Paris?
I read Morgan's report from his visit to the Mineoro factory and caught them using electrostatic charged plastic to make the locators beep.
I read Connie'e report how she got a "brain wash" at the factory demonstration.
I saw the reports of fake transmitters found twice when Alonso was at field test sites and demonstrations.
I saw the photo of the bracelet Alonso and his helpers buried when they used a hidden transmitter to convince a customer last year.
Why should we believe only your idea that there was no hidden transmitter, and the cheap ear ring we see at his Paris demonstration was really buried many years in France?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Funfinder]

J_Player got it to the point -

we have too much contra indications for being able to draw good conclusions
from the "interesting" or even "real" results of Geo, Morgan, humhum and others.

Especially because our "secret holders" here that seems to be
threatended by Alonso & Co. to hide his (non?)-personal "super-invention"
make impossible any causal context at scientific level !!

How the hell we should find out if what their testresults are showing
can have any substance if they can't explain any scientifical basis
of the working principle?


If those still will refuse to tell at least somewhat info so we can work
good enough, we will find it out by ourselves and no longer need
their opinions or PDK etc. experiments! This can't go on! :angry: :nono:


* We know already that it has something to do with magnetical field distortion (significant change of power-level)


> them using electrostatic charged plastic to make the locators beep.

Very revealing, so it also has something to do with static electricity field distortion.

* We know that FM broadcasting stations (VHF-frequency) feed that detected energy field somehow




@ WM6

Still don't understand you joke behind:

> in other words "aufs Windscheibe" mean:

> "OKM ist voll auf Scheibe." related to residence.

> Or something like this. In idiom translation probably: "It" resided in Smartass".


Perhaps this is a yugoslawian saying, somebody is "full on disc (or plate)".


The OKM address is:

Postal Address
OKM GmbH
Julius-Zinkeisen-Str. 7
04600 Altenburg
Germany

Visitor's Address
OKM GmbH
Leipziger Str. 83a
04600 Altenburg
Germany

by the way - look here:

http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/longrange/bionic01.php?lang=en (http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/longrange/bionic01.php?lang=en)



quote:

is very sensitive to changes of the ionic and magnetic field of the surrounding area

If calibrated in the correct way the Bionic 01 does only react on gold and silver objects, it does not indicate ferrous metal or any other kind of metallic objects, neither cavities.

The bio-energy system is able to locate also fresh buried or not buried objects no matter which age they are. The ionic system is mainly used to find buried artefacts.

quote end


So testing should be at least no problem with the fresh buried stuff!






@ Morgan

>>> About the PDK field test near OKM factory is good ideia,the problem is actualy no time to travel. I missing some TH adventures in Germany and Austria,fields full with celtic silver ,and rom. coins...you living in very rich old country

Well, I guess you don't have your Mineoro anymore or you have disassembled it since a long time, but otherwise you could make some compare tests.

Perhaps the celts also reached Portugal, because they also populated the islands of the UK and Ireland up the furthest north.

In Germany and Austria exists good places but also very empty ones concerning roman, celtic, barbaric and stoneage stuff.

For luck I'm living near of some 200 year old french assault battlefields, worldwar 2 defense stations and a famous roman street and fort. Some of the supposed Nazi Gold locations are not far away. There even are test-battle-locations for the german army close. And its near an important north south transite route.

Findings without end! :D


If your PDK really is something worth you may test it near my place.

Check out "google maps walchensee" - the southern area. Friends of mine there already have found very rare WW2 stuff and the holes where the Nazi Gold was buried (but it was transported to a more secure hideout)



@ Geo

What do you think are the differences of the OBMD-1 and the Crypton Mini compared with the Mineoro ???

Even if you have some enemyship with Andreas - please be fair and don't lie to us - do you think or do you know his LRLs work better and more stable and reliable than Mineoro (in Greece or elsewhere).

[Funfinder]

Hi J_Player ,
1. My dish is around 22Cm and small silver parts is 18 pcs inside of dish.
2. I not know , he say only that is find many gold ring , but from what distance I not know, maybe 1 - 3 meter with DC2008.
3. Size is big, this is treasure . I am sorry but not like more answer or speak for this .:frown:
4. Answer is in this forum, now is secret. ;)
5. Result is Mineoro find from small distance(max. 1600m) with good Pinpoint , but my LRL find from very Long Distance(8000m) with bad Pinpoint. (for example: Big Object- one room with gold).


Regards.:)

So you found a chamber full of gold? Unbelievable! :oh:

[humhum]

So you found a chamber full of gold? Unbelievable! :oh:


Of course I did not find the room this is for example of size, but I find other big object with my LRL and MD, but not dig , because law is very strong in my country.



Regards.

[J_Player]

Hi J_Player ,
1. My dish is around 22Cm and small silver parts is 18 pcs inside of dish.
2. I not know , he say only that is find many gold ring , but from what distance I not know, maybe 1 - 3 meter with DC2008.
3. Size is big, this is treasure . I am sorry but not like more answer or speak for this .:frown:
4. Answer is in this forum, now is secret. ;)
5. Result is Mineoro find from small distance(max. 1600m) with good Pinpoint , but my LRL find from very Long Distance(8000m) with bad Pinpoint. (for example: Big Object- one room with gold).

...Of course I did not find the room this is for example of size, but I find other big object with my LRL and MD, but not dig , because law is very strong in my country.

Regards.:)Hi humhum,
Thank you for your answers.

From what you say, we can see that you are reporting distance of detection for
Mineoro DC2008:
1. You see 15 meters detection of buried bronze dish of 22 cm with 18 pieces of small silver parts inside of dish --- buried in your garden 3 years ago.
Also you see this DC2008 shows good pinpointing for this dish and silver pieces.
Note: There is not any gold at this dish -- only bronze and silver together.
2. Your friend says he detects many rings with DC2008 at the beach, distance is not known -- You think maybe 1-3 meters distance.

Home-made version of DC2008:
1. You see more than 15 meters detection of buried bronze dish of 22 cm with 18 pieces of small silver parts inside of dish --- buried in your garden 3 years ago.
Pinpointing is only near 0,5 - 1 meter.
2. Home-made version of DC2008 detects big buried object from few Km.
But big object is not known because it was not dug to see what it is.

Maybe if you dig, then you can find a transmitter?
Maybe Alonso visited your country and buried a transmitter at this location?
Then people will hear beeps from long distance and they will think there is a big treasure :rolleyes:


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

@ Geo

What do you think are the differences of the OBMD-1 and the Crypton Mini compared with the Mineoro ???

Even if you have some enemyship with Andreas - please be fair and don't lie to us - do you think or do you know his LRLs work better and more stable and reliable than Mineoro (in Greece or elsewhere).

I don't know the mini version.
About OBMD .. i wrote what i know many times. Search the forum and you will read what i know. I believe that Mineoro is better...

[humhum]

Hi humhum,
Thank you for your answers.

From what you say, we can see that you are reporting distance of detection for
Mineoro DC2008:
1. You see 15 meters detection of buried bronze dish of 22 cm with 18 pieces of small silver parts inside of dish --- buried in your garden 3 years ago.
Also you see this DC2008 shows good pinpointing for this dish and silver pieces.
Note: There is not any gold at this dish -- only bronze and silver together.
2. Your friend says he detects many rings with DC2008 at the beach, distance is not known -- You think maybe 1-3 meters distance.

Home-made version of DC2008:
1. You see more than 15 meters detection of buried bronze dish of 22 cm with 18 pieces of small silver parts inside of dish --- buried in your garden 3 years ago.
Pinpointing is only near 0,5 - 1 meter.
2. Home-made version of DC2008 detects big buried object from few Km.
But big object is not known because it was not dug to see what it is.

Maybe if you dig, then you can find a transmitter?
Maybe Alonso visited your country and buried a transmitter at this location?
Then people will hear beeps from long distance and they will think there is a big treasure :rolleyes:


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Dear J_Player, my Home-made version resemble of PDC210 (with different electronic schematic + modification), You write so: ''But big object is not known because it was not dug to see what it is'' , But I say : that I detect or I see with my Metal Detector.

''Maybe if you dig, then you can find a transmitter? :lol:
Maybe Alonso visited your country and buried a transmitter at this location? :lol::lol:
Then people will hear beeps from long distance and they will think there is a big treasure'':lol::lol::lol:


Very funny, but as far as I know that Alonso, never come to my country , and Transmitter can not send signal to Km distance.
Of course , you make badinage or joke with me.

Best wish , my Friend. :)

[Funfinder]

I don't know the mini version.
About OBMD .. i wrote what i know many times. Search the forum and you will read what i know. I believe that Mineoro is better...

Wow, what a great and detailed answer! :angry:

I doubt you are of big help here anyway, you're will of cooperation and for technical help lacks alot.

I will not search the forum for statements that
may contain the same unuseful and just very superficial and trivial information.

[Funfinder]

Of course I did not find the room this is for example of size, but I find other big object with my LRL and MD, but not dig , because law is very strong in my country.



Regards.

Hi humhum,

I guess somewhere in Middle- or South-America there still could be a huge amount of Gold hidden from the Aztecs or Inkas etc. so sometimes you may find something that big.


> law is very strong in my country.

Thats a pity, but often its the own fault if people let dictate them everything.

I know about in Middle America they even have forbidden the treasure hunting on Coco-Island. Those politicians think they own everything, even the whole population of a country.

Was it you that has told his LRL now is great improved so it
also works in winter-time? If yes, do you have snow there, too?

[Geo]

Wow, what a great and detailed answer! :angry:

I doubt you are of big help here anyway, you're will of cooperation and for technical help lacks alot.

I will not search the forum for statements that
may contain the same unuseful and just very superficial and trivial information.

It is more easy to write one word and press the search button, than i to write one page comments...:lol::lol:

[WM6]

The OKM address is:

Postal Address
OKM GmbH
Julius-Zinkeisen-Str. 7
04600 Altenburg
Germany

Visitor's Address
OKM GmbH
Leipziger Str. 83a
04600 Altenburg
Germany

by the way - look here:

http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/longrange/bionic01.php?lang=en (http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/longrange/bionic01.php?lang=en)



Interesting. I didn't know that.

My comment was based on this label (from Perikles ad):

Probably they moved in an attempt to hide from angry Bionic 01 buyers.

http://i13.servimg.com/u/f13/18/05/91/87/bionic14.jpg

[Funfinder]

@ WM6

Ah, thx for this info - now its clear. Seems they moved to a nearby larger city.
Windischleuba is a rather small village out in the pampa of Thuringia (some say complete Thuringia is a pampa ;) but thats not true, and they have really cute girls there)


OK, the old address was:

OKM Ortungstechnik Krauß (Krauss) und Müller (Mueller) GmbH (Ltd.)
Fünfminutenweg (Fuenfminutenweg) Nr. 6
BRD (Germany) 04603 Windischleuba


quote from a place called Leuba, a part of Ostritz:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuba_(Ostritz) (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuba_(Ostritz))

"Der Name deutet auf eine slawische Ansiedlung hin und könnte so viel wie „Liebdorf“ bedeutet haben."

Translated: The name seems to point to an old slavic settlement and could mean "dear village"


So now we have it:

Visit the kind village Windischleuba and in 5 minutes the wind will blow your money away on OKMs street Nr.6! :frown:

Comparable with "Nightmare on Elm Street". :lol:

And if you go to the new address of OKM, to Altenburg, you may look very old after you bought the Bionic there! :frown:


btw. seems they have now more money so they could move to a larger city and compared with before their website now only just shows one Bionic model instead of 2 or 3.

Perhaps they got really bad feedback so they now only sell the model that at least is able to find fresh buried stuff, too.