Carl,what is THIS?

[Seden]

In an article on Mining-technology,about half way down they talk about remote sensing using Molecular Resonance Technology. See here:

http://www.mining-technology.com/features/featureexplore-discover-analyse-the-best-mineral-testing-tools

Then there's the company that does it here:

http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/

Is this for real? Sure sounds identical to what you read on this forum as in Molecular Frequency Discriminators. Is Chuckie in on this?

If it is real, can we duplicate it for our purposes?

Randy

[Seden]

Here's another part of the puzzle seen here:

http://leafandstone.ca/technology

Ok, so just what is the resonant frequency of gold these guy's are seeing?

Randy

[Dave J.]

Here's the tipoff: it reads like well-known LRL MFD fraud, and they do nothing to explain what makes their "technology" something different from that. A classic example of the "read the advertisement!" principle.

For those who have a little more scientific background, there's another tipoff: their "explanation" of their unique "technology" is a non-explanation.

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In reading their website, I keep getting the feeling that they know H3Tec well and are borrowing heavily from that model. But doing it a lot slicker than Chuckie, his hokey amateurism surely must have worked against him trying to get contracts with professional clients.

Notice their "credentials"? Where's the references? It all looks like Chuckie being reworked by some slicker dudes.

Now, is it possible that they can actually pull this off and get away with it with professional clients who would have choked on Chuckie? I think maybe so. Since their actual methods for producing data output are "behind the curtain", they can use conventional methods to produce mineral maps that show agreement with known deposits. If they're actually skilled at this, they might even provide a useful service for some clients. If the client pays a whole lot more than is customary for such services because the client thinks some newfangled science magic went into it, so much the better.

If what they've got is actually for real, I encourage them to provide some evidence that backs up their claims. I'm not demanding that they prove their system works well, but if they expect to be taken for something other than frauds they need to offer a credible scientific basis for what they're doing.

--Dave J.

[Carl-NC]

Tell #1: Their "news releases" are all on those self-submission "news" sites. You can lie all you want on those and no one cares.

Tell #2: "Based in Austin, NRT [Natural Resource Testing], LLC, was formed in 2007 when the company was granted an exclusive SATAREC™ platform license by Resonance Diagnostic Technologies, LLC." Natural Resource Testing is registered to David W. Carr and, ironically, Resonance Diagnostic Technologies is registered to David W. Carr. Could they be related?

Tell #3: The only Dr. David W. Carr that shows up in Austin, TX is a dentist.

If you want the Bottom Line, contact the Colorado School of Mines. I'll bet no one there has ever heard of this guy.

My guess is that Dr. Carr is the umpteenth person who has discovered dowsing with make-believe electronics.

[Seden]

Thanks guy's. Yeah it sure did give me the feeling of the H3tec stuff. I appreciate your time and help,

Randy

[hung]

Randy Seden,

It surprises me that you, who I believe is an amateur radio enthusiast and knowledgeable in RF, need to rely on carl to gather information about what he does not even know what he's talking about.

Carl runs a forum of standard metal detectors which I call 'floor polishers' but insists on talking about long range detection technology with the lack of knowledge and refusal in accepting new technology advancements. He works for a floor polishing company that tries to survive in his business and fears the 'reality check' shock.
Simply put, he is like Osama Bin Laden, who lived in a cave with a few followers around him with a parallel reality accepted as true.

Now for the facts.
The technology you provide the links above is not new. This is true and working right now.
Here in Brazil we have some mining companies who use them. EBX from brazilian billionaire E. Batista is one of them.

I have in my team as a scientific projects consultant a true genius of electronics and physics. He has dozens of projects and patents and now works for the brazilian government. He was a consultant for NASA too and he told me how he saw with his own eyes how NASA's satellites use this technology in an even more advanced degree to map all gold deposits in the world. He saw a screen showing Brazil with all gold mapped regions from space.

If you want to know more about this technology, go direct to the source. The people who are using it. Don't act like some idiots in LRL forums who keep asking questions to sick skeptics hoping to find the truth.

Best regards.

[J_Player]

Tell #1: Their "news releases" are all on those self-submission "news" sites. You can lie all you want on those and no one cares.

Tell #2: "Based in Austin, NRT [Natural Resource Testing], LLC, was formed in 2007 when the company was granted an exclusive SATAREC™ platform license by Resonance Diagnostic Technologies, LLC." Natural Resource Testing is registered to David W. Carr and, ironically, Resonance Diagnostic Technologies is registered to David W. Carr. Could they be related?

Tell #3: The only Dr. David W. Carr that shows up in Austin, TX is a dentist.

If you want the Bottom Line, contact the Colorado School of Mines. I'll bet no one there has ever heard of this guy.

My guess is that Dr. Carr is the umpteenth person who has discovered dowsing with make-believe electronics.An alternative view of David Carr's MRT, as seen from another psrespective... or is it?
It is well known that satellites have been mapping the earth and sending data from various sensors to be used by agriculture and mining operations.
Various press releases beginning a year ago show the following information: "Molecular Resonance Technology" was announced about a year ago by NRT, LLC, in Austin, Texas. They were granted an exclusive licence by Resonance Diagnostic Technologies, LLC. in 2007 to develop the SARTEC platform. From the article published in the pages of miningtechnology.com, SARTEC platform is apparently another new satellite method of locating minerals.

What is this MRT?
According to publications from the companies which David Carr created MRT is a sort of "resonance coupling"...
Resonance coupling is a naturally occurring phenomenon where wavelengths from exacting substances create a sympathetic response in identical, nearby materials. The resulting electromagnetic emissions reveal a substance’s location and chemical nature. Using oil or mineral samples to couple wavelengths, Molecular Resonance Technology (MRT) instrumentation can locate that same exact substance underground or on the surface."
http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/technology/

Hmmmmm.... this sounds a lot like hungscience... "Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".



Could this be real?
A little research shows that both Diagnostic Technologies, LLC. and NRT, LLC. were created by David W Carr in Austin Texas.
So when the licence was granted seven years ago, it appears he granted the licence to himself.

RESONANCE DIAGNOSTIC TECHNOLOGIES, L.L.C.
Status: In Good Standing Not For Dissolution Or Withdrawal
Filing Date: 10/27/2005
Entity Type: Limited-Liability Company
Filing State: Texas (TX)
Company Age: 7 Years, 1 Month
Address:
6603 Knollwood Cv
Austin, TX 78731-2913

Registered Agent:
David W Carr
Principal Name: Diana D. Carr
6603 Knollwood Cove
Austin, TX 78731
(512) 345-6568


Further investigation shows this is the same David W Carr who is a dentist in Austin, Texas.
We find on his dentist website where he lists his same home number as he listed for his LLC dowsing companies
http://drdavidcarrdds.com/index.htm
Dr. David W. Carr DDS
(512) 345-0399
7007 Hart Ln, Austin, TX 78731

Our phone number is (512) 345-0399, Fax (512) 345-5890,
Dr. Carr's residence (512) 345-6568, Dr. Carr's cell phone (512) 924-7748

We also see he is the same person when we look at his bio page at the dentist site:
http://drdavidcarrdds.com/bio.htm
"His search for answers has lead him from the frontiers of space (he recently served as Chairman of the Texas Aerospace Commission, where he worked to adapt NASA technology for use on earth)... "

Another fascinating cooincidence:
When Dave Carr first released the MRT technology 7 years ago, this was at the the same time when we saw a flood of posts in longrangelocators forum about MFD.*
We saw a lot of posts at that time which explained theories of frequencies of elements.
"Resonance coupling is a naturally occurring phenomenon where wavelengths from exacting substances create a sympathetic response in identical, nearby materials."
I wonder where Dave Carr got the idea for MRT?
Is MRT simply another word to describe MFD? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif


Further research finds this gem... http://leafandstone.ca/public/docs/09-12-lots-in-space.pdf
In addition to the long pseudoscience explanations, we find some revealing personal information from Mr. Carr:
"Carr, a 60-year-old Texan, is a dentist by training but has a fascination with space surveillance. “I’ve had two professional lives; one in the health field and one in space technology,” says Carr. “I grew up in the aerospace field. My dad knew many scientists associated with NASA. I served on the Texas Aerospace Commission for 10 years, including a stint as chairman.”

Yup, this high tech MRT stuff seems a lot like Chuckie's stuff, except, this guy actually works for a living and does useful stuff that helps people.


Now, about the NASA satellite stuff...
Take a look at his website... Dave posted some "case studies" here: http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/media/
After looking through all these "case studies", it becomes apparent that there are no satellites involved.
Dave Carr made these pamphlets to show simple google satellite images which were photoshopped to add lines and numbers.
The lines and numbers pasted over google images are apparently intended to convince people that MRT located something there.

I was not able to find in his pages any track record which shows evidence that MRT has located anything, or evidence that any satellite is involved in MRT.
But I did find a lot of references which can be checked. There are names and addresses in some of these documents:

http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/NRT-Letter-of-Recommendation-Greenland-2.pdf
http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NRT-R2L-Enterprises-Letter.pdf
http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NRT-Petroleum-Explore-Letter.pdf
http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/NRT-Case-Study-2.pdf
http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/NRT-Case-Study-3.pdf

Since I already had my fun from the chuckie scam, I will leave these links for someone else to have first chance at contacting.


Best Wishes, http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439
J_P

[J_Player]

Update on MRT:
There is a group of treasure hunters called "Terra Exploration Group" who will search on your land using MRT for free.
(Search for free -- means they don't charge you anything to come out and make a search. But if they find something...)?

They say they use historical research, satellite analysis and MRT to locate your treasure.
But not only gold and silver... They will search on your land for "gold, silver, diamoniferous kimberlites, platinum, zinc, copper, oils, gas reserves and other resources"

How do they use MRT to find treasure on your land?
"With state of the art satellite imaging power followed by pinpoint on-site locating with sophisticated metal detection equipment"

What does this mean?
Does it mean they download a google satellite image, then they photoshop it to make marks on it?
Then they come out with MFD locators and go dowsing on your land?

http://texgru.com/
http://texgru.com/MRT.html

Who are these people? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif
Is this another Dave Carr website?

Best Wishes, http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439
J_P

[Seden]

Good posts JP! Ain't science wonderful?

Randy

[J_Player]

Good posts JP! Ain't science wonderful?

Randy
Hi Randy,
I think I've seen most of what this is about.
But I have a feeling there's more to this story.

If we research the history of the MRT movement, we see that there was little interest from the time David Carr first got the idea. He had a few oil exploration companies let him conduct studies on their oil fields when he was actually comparing satellite spectral data. But as time went on, no geologists were interested in his theory. Then he started his companies to actively pursue the concept of "resonance coupling" and his "MRT", which is the more controversial concept from long range locating that was coined as "MFD" by LRL salesmen. But nobody seemed to be interested in his new MRT idea.

Then David Carr acquired a partner in Canada who who was to be the marketing arm of his company. His new partner didn't launch him into a huge success, but he did generate some additional client references and news articles which he could draw on. Then we see about a year ago Dave announced how his new company was given the exclusive license to use what he now calls the "Satarec" platform. This Satarec platform makes reference to using satellites and "resonance coupling" to take the guesswork out of locating minerals. When I read Carr's description of his Satarec platform, it sounds like sales information explaining how you, as a customer will get a NASA satellite scan of your land. But if you read this write-up from a technical perspective, you can see they are talking about taking some satellite spectral data to get an idea what minerals a satellite thinks could be on your land. Then from the possible minerals, they print some google images and come to the site where they make surveys on the ground using MRT equipment (MFD equipment). At least this is how it reads to me. It appears their references to satellites is blended into the pitch in such a way to make it appear the satellite is providing the key information to locate minerals, and you, as a land-owner are paying these scientists to extract and process the satellite information to tell them where to dig. But if you read carefully, you will see they do their pinpointing on the ground, using MRT equipment, after consulting a satellite spectral map. http://www.naturalresourcetesting.com/technology/

In some of the news articles I read, they say MRT cannot locate an oil deposit unless they first have a sample of the oil from that land, because crude oil from other locations won't resonate the same as the oil where they are hunting. This confirms that their MRT is another way to describe MFD.
This is the same requirement we find for Dell Winder's X-Scan/Delrod combo MFD equipment with its sample chamber.
Think about it... Dave Carr's "Satarec platform" uses a sample to find "gold, silver, diamoniferous kimberlites, platinum, zinc, copper, oils, gas reserves and other resources".
Doesn't this sound like Dell Winder's X-Scan Combo which he tested on "GOLD, SILVER, COPPER, LEAD, NICKELS, DIAMOND, EMERALD, GARNET, FLINT, and ASPiRIN"?

From what I can see, this means they superimpose satellite spectral data on a google image, to see what elements might be present or not. Then they bring their maps and MFD dowsing equipment to the site and do some surveys to pinpoint where they think the mineral is located in various strengths (similar to Dell weight check). They may even have other MFD equipment which is not commonly used by treasure hunters. And I also think they sometimes use real instruments such as magnetometers, VLF, or possibly other geologist instruments. But, I'm just guessing about that.

But one thing I'm not guessing about is the satellites. I am 100% certain no NASA satellite carries MFD or "resonance coupling" equipment on board. These satellites use various sensors for detecting spectral data --- emissions from radio waves to beyond gamma rays. But never have they installed any MFD equipment in a satellite. This is precisely the reason why no geologist worth his salt has bought into their concept. A geologist knows he already has access to the satellite data, and can use whatever spectral data which is important at his site. They have no reason to pay an extra fee to Dave Carr to send a crew to dowse the ground with MFD locators and make maps of where they think the minerals are. I believe this is why we see there was no huge interest in his "Satarec" platform. Anyone with a large investment in a mine or oil fields would not waste investors money on frivolous tests which their geologists tell them is a scam.

Of course, I could be wrong about any of the things I stated above.
This is just the way it looks to me.
I am sure that with the little information I was able to find, I missed a lot, and maybe got some of the details wrong.

This is the reason why I have a feeling there's more to this story.
It would be interesting to hear from Dave Carr so we can hear another side to the story.
Perhaps he could make corrections about the details and apparent history behind his Satarec platform.


Best wishes, :)
J_P