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In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones.
In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition.
In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to.
It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/
Qiaozhi
11-03-2012, 05:14 PM
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Total garbage!
Everything in this book has been disproved by science many times over.
Did you ever take any science classes at school, or were you asleep?
Maybe you are the first neanderthal that can write. Congratulations.
Now it's time for you to move to the next step: association of words.
Qiaozhi
11-03-2012, 06:08 PM
Maybe you are the first neanderthal that can write. Congratulations.
Now it's time for you to move to the next step: association of words.
I rest my case. :razz:
J_Player
11-04-2012, 12:06 AM
In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones.
In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition.
In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to.
It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/WOW..!
Allan Kardec was obviously a revolutionary spirit genius. http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464
Do you think he helped Alonso design the electronics for the Mineoro DCH85 long range locator?
Best Wishes,
J_P
J_Player
11-04-2012, 06:22 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Total garbage!
Everything in this book has been disproved by science many times over.
Did you ever take any science classes at school, or were you asleep?Hi Qiaozhi,
I find this an interesting post.
I am not intrigued by the actual subject of "spirit guidance" ... Noooo...
What I find intriguing is the use of the word "garbage".
In the USA, garbage is the standard word we use for things which are thrown in a trash can.
But in the UK, I usually hear the term "rubbish" rather than "garbage".
I realize both words mean approximately the same thing, but there may be slight differences.
I have always thought of rubbish as a word which refers to office refuse, and things which might be swept off the floor and thrown into a trash can.
But garbage has a slightly different connotation in my view...
I think of garbage to be more heavily weighted with biological refuse, such as discarded parts of vegetable and meat trimmings from the kitchen.
Admittedly, I am too lazy to look it up on google to find the answer, but the answer might be more meaningful coming from a technical person from the UK, to compare notes.
I am sure that whether we call it garbage or rubbish, the meaning is the same for Allan Kardec and for hungscience.
But still, I would like to hear an opinion of any difference between the two words from the UK.
Is it garbage.... or is it rubbish? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif
Best Wishes, :)
J_P
Qiaozhi
11-04-2012, 10:24 AM
Is it garbage.... or is it rubbish? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif
It's both! :lol:
Blasphemy is the artifact of the unreasoned.
For once try to present rational inputs instead of some 'deja vu' behavior prior to your promotion as a biped.
Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose recently proved something that had already been announced 155 years ago in Kardec's Spirit's Book.
Altough Hameroff is mistaken when he states that the quantum information is dissipated and distributed in the universe, since in this case it is not dissipated and retains integrity, their contribution to the scientific comunity is important.
Here's what is in the book regarding the subject and note how this had already been disclosed in that era:
Question 139. Certain spirits, and certain philosophers before them, have defined the soul as "An
animated spark that has emanated from the Great Whole"; why this contradiction?'
"There is nothing contradictory in such a definition. Everything depends on the meaning you
attribute to the words you use. Why have you not a word for each thing?"
The word soul is employed to express very different things. Sometimes It is used to designate the principle
of life and in this sense it is correct to say, figuratively, that the soul is an animated spark that has
emanated from the Great Whole. These latter words designate the universal source of the vital principle,
of which each being absorbs a portion, that returns to the general mass after its death. This Idea does not
exclude that of a moral being, a distinct personality. independent of matter, and preserving Its own
individuality It is this being which. at other times, is called the soul, and it is in this sense that we speak of
the soul as an incarnate spirit. In giving different definitions of soul, the spirits who have given them have
spoken according to their various ways of applyng that word, and also according to the terrestrial ideas
with which they are more or less imbued. This apparent confusion results from the insufficiency of human
language, which does not possess a specific word for each idea an insufficiency that gives rise to a vast
number of misapprehensions and discussions. It is for this reason that the higher spirits tell us to begin by
distinctly defining the meaning of the words we employ.
Qiaozhi
11-04-2012, 10:38 PM
Blasphemy is the artifact of the unreasoned.
For once try to present rational inputs instead of some 'deja vu' behavior prior to your promotion as a biped.
The word [B]soul is employed to express very different things. Sometimes It is used to designate the principle
of life and in this sense it is correct to say, figuratively, that the soul is an animated spark that has
emanated from the Great Whole. These latter words designate the universal source of the vital principle,
of which each being absorbs a portion, that returns to the general mass after its death. This Idea does not
exclude that of a moral being, a distinct personality. independent of matter, and preserving Its own
individuality It is this being which. at other times, is called the soul, and it is in this sense that we speak of
the soul as an incarnate spirit. In giving different definitions of soul, the spirits who have given them have
spoken according to their various ways of applyng that word, and also according to the terrestrial ideas
with which they are more or less imbued. This apparent confusion results from the insufficiency of human
language, which does not possess a specific word for each idea an insufficiency that gives rise to a vast
number of misapprehensions and discussions. It is for this reason that the higher spirits tell us to begin by
distinctly defining the meaning of the words we employ.
I think you've answered my previous question. :rolleyes: (yawn)
Your reaction was expected.
Unable to provide a miserable single productive input. Incompetent knowledge on even the most basic science to comment on both physicists' work.
You are the living proof of question 19:
19. Cannot man, through scientific investigation, penetrate some of the secrets of nature.?
"The faculty of scientific research has been given to him as a means by which he may
advance in every direction; but he cannot overstep the limits of his present possibilities."
The farther man advances in the study of the mysteries around him, the greater should be his admiration
of the power and wisdom of the Creator. But, partly through pride, partly through weakness, his intellect
itself often renders him the sport of illusion. He heaps systems upon systems; and every day shows him
how many errors he has mistaken for truths, how many truths he has repelled as errors. Ail this should be
a lesson for his pride.
Book link for rational thinking people to read:
http://www.geae.inf.br/en/books/codification/sb.pdf
Ignorance causes drowsiness indeed.
Qiaozhi
11-05-2012, 10:48 AM
Ignorance causes drowsiness indeed.
That's clearly why you were asleep during science classes. :lol:
pablo72
11-05-2012, 02:44 PM
In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones.
In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition.
In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to.
It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/
Very interesting. Alan Kardek was sicentist?
Qiaozhi
11-05-2012, 09:51 PM
Very interesting. Alan Kardek was sicentist?
Read this ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec
Allan Kardec is the pen name of the French teacher and educator Hippolyte Léon Denizard Rivail. He was a teacher of mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, physiology, comparative anatomy and French in Paris.
Further on it states:
As a teacher with little scientific background (he had never attended a university), Rivail decided to do his own research. ...
I wonder how he managed to teach physics , chemistry and astronomy then? :rolleyes:
Very interesting. Alan Kardek was sicentist?
Everyone who has an inquiring mind, look for answers about phenomena they do not understand but wishes to and go on by observing, studying, researching and making essays in search of conclusions is a scientist.
Kardec was no different.
You see, the 'turning tables' phenomena, around Paris at that time, was puzzling the scientific community. Kardec with all his knowledge in several matters, decided to investigate it deeply.
The Spirit's book was the spirits' answers work to more than 1,000 questions he asked these evolved entities about several subjects in physics, biology, moral, chemistry, philosophy etc.
The most remarkable aspect is that the answers were provided through 'channeling' by several psychics around Europe back then and they did not know each other. So, in order to check for the authenticity and correctness of the answers, the same questions were sent to different persons. When the answers returned, the ones that were similar, were used.
No psychic involved in the work, mostly women, had any scientific knowledge whatsoever to provide so deep, solid and evolved answers to the questions featured in the book.
This was an overwhelming evidence that spiritual entities with a high moral evolution were providing them.
Recently as I show in my first post, two physicists proved the existence of the 'soul'. Actually, this has been already accepted by many of them in the past, only no publicity was given, for obscure interests and reasons. But now, it seems there is no way to run anymore in denying the obvious.
This week, scientists discovered that synthetic magnetism can change direction of light, in this case, photons. What they did was to break in pieces on basic law of classic physics known as 'light's reverse time symmetry'.
So, as you see, current scientific knowledge is still crawling. Science is one and only, but the knowledge to understand the phenomena correctly is still insignificant compared to what lies to be learned.
No wonder Kardec stated: If science happens to prove anything in this book wrong, stick to science'.
So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct.
So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct.
The same mantra we can read about anyone other religious book (what "Spirit book" in fact is).
Even if Kardek was correct, this does not mean that your LRL is something like real LRL.
Qiaozhi
11-06-2012, 09:25 PM
So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct.
As I said before, the whole book has been disproved by science many times over. It's just that you refuse to open your eyes and ears to the facts, and prefer instead to wallow in self delusion and believe the mumbo jumbo waffling of the spiritualist fraternity.
Time to wake up to reality.
pablo72
11-07-2012, 09:34 AM
Everyone who has an inquiring mind, look for answers about phenomena they do not understand but wishes to and go on by observing, studying, researching and making essays in search of conclusions is a scientist.
Kardec was no different.
You see, the 'turning tables' phenomena, around Paris at that time, was puzzling the scientific community. Kardec with all his knowledge in several matters, decided to investigate it deeply.
The Spirit's book was the spirits' answers work to more than 1,000 questions he asked these evolved entities about several subjects in physics, biology, moral, chemistry, philosophy etc.
The most remarkable aspect is that the answers were provided through 'channeling' by several psychics around Europe back then and they did not know each other. So, in order to check for the authenticity and correctness of the answers, the same questions were sent to different persons. When the answers returned, the ones that were similar, were used.
No psychic involved in the work, mostly women, had any scientific knowledge whatsoever to provide so deep, solid and evolved answers to the questions featured in the book.
This was an overwhelming evidence that spiritual entities with a high moral evolution were providing them.
Recently as I show in my first post, two physicists proved the existence of the 'soul'. Actually, this has been already accepted by many of them in the past, only no publicity was given, for obscure interests and reasons. But now, it seems there is no way to run anymore in denying the obvious.
This week, scientists discovered that synthetic magnetism can change direction of light, in this case, photons. What they did was to break in pieces on basic law of classic physics known as 'light's reverse time symmetry'.
So, as you see, current scientific knowledge is still crawling. Science is one and only, but the knowledge to understand the phenomena correctly is still insignificant compared to what lies to be learned.
No wonder Kardec stated: If science happens to prove anything in this book wrong, stick to science'.
So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct.
Thanks. I started to read the book. My jugement is that the words and the answers are much complex for 1857, no?
It teaches the betterment of manking and speaks about many subjects with deep knowledge. I don't think it's religion only. Yes, maybe a shock in the past.
J_Player
11-07-2012, 09:50 AM
In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones.
In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition.
In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to.
It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/
...No wonder Kardec stated: If science happens to prove anything in this book wrong, stick to science'.
So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct.
Time to vomit again... :barf:
Here we are served a heaping pile of hungscience again, disguised to appear as scientific proof.
Hung is lying to us again.
1. Unfounded claims.
Dr. hung tells us how Allan Kardak wrote a book of messages which he recieved from spirits while his partner who was under a trance.
(Allan Kardac's partner and co-author of this book was Celina Bequet was a professional sleep-walker sometimes gave out medical advice during her trance sessions).
* http://www.answers.com/topic/allan-kardec
When we read this book, we see it is a book which says we will be reincarnated many times here or on other planets, because we are among the imperfect or impure spirits.
Of course, you must believe in spirits before you can believe that Allan Kardak transcribed words of a spirit from a trance, then you must believe in reincarnation before you can believe you will be reincarnated on a different planet.
However, this book is all hypothetical BS...
How do we know Allan Kardak really recorded the words of spirits in his book?
How do we know he didn't simply start writing a book, then show his "sleepwalker co-author" what should be said, while pretending to be in a trance with spirits?
How do we know there existed any spirits for her to talk to?
How do we know he didn't recruit a number of mediums to cooperate with his plan to produce a book to glorify their profession?
Kardac recording spirit communications seems as likely as Alonso finding treasure with his FG90 beeping at a hidden transmitter causing it to beep.
2. Kardac was in it for the money.
Kardac was a high school teacher became interested in spiritism as a way to explain supposed spirits causing "table turning" during spirit-conjuring sessions by spiritists.
Then he wrote his book which suitably explained that spirits caused the table turning to happen.
The year after he published his book, he revised it, and it then became a commercial success.
How can you revise the words which come from supposed spirits?
Wait, I know... If it doesn't sell the way you first wrote it, then revise it so it is more commercially viable.
It seems Kardac was careful to never mention several of his competing fellow French mediums in the monthly magazine he founded.
Nor did he devote any attention to them in Society of Psychologic Studies, where he was president.
Kardac even ignored the important mediumship of D. D. Home after the medium declared himself to be against reincarnation.
Of course commercial profits probably had nothing to do with revising the text in his book or ignoring other important competing mediums working at similar aims.
But at the same time Kardac was writing his book, others were saying all this "table turning" phenomenon is a hoax and a fraud.
Finally an English scientist, Michael Faraday proved it was a fraud.
Michael Faraday devised some simple apparatus which conclusively demonstrated that the movements he investigated were due to unconscious muscular action.
The apparatus consisted of two small boards, with glass rollers between them, the whole fastened together by india-rubber bands in such a manner that the upper board could slide under lateral pressure to a limited extent over the lower one. The occurrence of such lateral movement was at once indicated by means of an upright haystalk fastened to the apparatus. When by this means it was made clear to the experimenters that it was the fingers which moved the table, not the table the fingers, the phenomena generally ceased. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table-turning
Do the medium's table move due to unconscious muscular action (the ideomotor effect) or even deliberate fraud? :nono:
3. Dr. hung lied to us.
Dr. hung tells us "And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul".
Then Dr. hung shows us how this link so we can know how science proves the existence of the soul: http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/
Originally Posted by hung
"So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct".
What is this science article? Is it scientific proof?
Noooo.... :nono:
This is an article written by a Romanian online product reseller who calls himself afaceristonline... NOT by scientists Dr. Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose!
Dr. Hung sent us the fake write-up which shows false information about the science discoveries of Hameroff and Penrose!
The question comes to mind:
How many articles by Dr. Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose must you read before you find one that was not written by them, and tells false information bad enough to support hungscience?
I think you would need to read at least 8000 scientific articles about the Hameroff-Penrose theory before you would be likely to find a fake one that you could use to fool people to believe hungscience.
But, sure enough, Dr. hung found a fake science article he could use to fool people with. :nono:
Read what they really wrote in their books: "The Emperor's New Mind", and "Shadows of the Mind".
In these books you will see they have absolutely nothing to do with souls or religion.
These scientists formulated theories that certain Quantum mechanisms play a key role in causing a person to maintain consciousness rather than to become unconscious.
Their scholarly works led to the Microtubule hypothesis, which might explain what causes a person to maintain their consciousness, or become unconscious.
Of course, there is still much debate that will continue until they show some real proof that their Microtubule hypothesis is responsible for maintaining consciousness.
If you can't read Sir Roger Penrose's books, listen to his talk and see his lecture notes which explain his hypothesis here: http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/plecture/penrose/
Does this sound like proof that a soul exists? :nono:
They were talking about what mechanism will cause you to become unconscious, not about souls or religion.
Neither of these scientists ever made any claims about souls. In fact, Penrose does not hold to any religious doctrine, and refers to himself as an atheist.
See here where Sir Roger Penrose uses the word "elegant" to describe Sam Harris's book to defend people who might be athiest: http://www.samharris.org/letter-to-a-christian-nation
Sam Harris's elegant little book is most refreshing and a wonderful source of ammunition for those who, like me, hold to no religious doctrine.
Yet I have some sympathy also with those who might be worried by his uncompromising stance. Read it and form your own view, but do not ignore its message.
—Sir Roger Penrose, emeritus professor of mathematics at Oxford, author of The Road to Reality.
What is all this BS?
Is it garbage, or is it rubbish?
It is neither... It is pure crap!
And this is the biggest plateful we had shoveled our way yet. :nono:
Hung is trying to promote his favorite cult religion by lying to us; He and thinks we will belive scientists proved this religion is correct.
But this time it goes farther.
His lie also serves to fool people into thinking scientists proved souls exist. Nothing could be further than the truth.
This is what is wrong with this forum.
We have people who deliberately post lies and information which they know is false in order to fool people.
Most readers don't bother to check to find out that hung was lying to us, and telling us false claims about scientific proof.
They don't even know these scientists are atheists who never talked about souls, or religion, and they never made any proofs at all...!
Most readers would not bother to learn that Michael Faraday proved there are no spirits moving tables for these mediums.
Yet we have people who are permitted to post all the lies they want if it helps them fool people to believe superstitions, and pseudoscience.
What good have we ever received from Dr. Hung?
We watched his faked video which is intended to fool us into believing he built a really, really working long range locator.
We read every manner of fake science BS which even high school students know is wrong.
We read lies that fool some of the less-educated people.
We read stupid arguments which make you laugh (I guess that's a good thing)
Look at what hungscience has clogged our forum up with:
Originally Posted by hung
"Gold is the most powerful 'self defensive' metal when it comes to avoid any harm to its structure, such as rust, oxidation, etc. Its DNA produces a substance which coats the metal to fight against those 'threats'."
"here is is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned".
"Back to the Examiner’s concept, there’s a portion in ECE which I already mentioned which might explain how the magnetic fields produced by the unit even diminute might be working provided one gets free of the standard Maxwell Heaviside concept and maybe start to find some backup on the Aharonov-Bohm and the field and potential relationship..."
"If you navigate the internet correctly, you will find out how ALL scientific comunity in the world utilizes AIAS as basis for their research".
"When you have voltage ... as a flowing constant also, resistance does oppose to it".
"The UV ... is absorbed by the surface of the earth. This parcel which is absorbed is THE ONLY souce of heat for our planet and it occurs during the sunlight period".
"So, IT'S NOT the IR from the sun which is responsible for the heating process , but the UV short radiation absorbed which causes IR to be released by the earth's surface".
"You think of voltage as a potential. It's not only a potential, but also a flow as electromotive force.
Wake up! If voltage is too high it travels through the nucleous of the conductor. If lower it travesl through the surface!
Current is a 'control' of this flow.
Ask Mr. John Bedini to demonstrate his motor to you. Ask him what voltage is".
"science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul".
"Dude, science is not mine or yours".
:barf:
Why isn't this crap moved to a special thread called "Dr. hung BS" with a warning label on it so people won't waste their time?
Best Wishes,
J_P
Thanks, for one more of your great analysis, J_P, again.
Worth to collect your such contributions here in one "LRL-Spirit book".
kostas87
11-07-2012, 10:02 PM
[QUOTE=hung;143967]In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones.
In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition.
In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to.
It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/[/QUOTE
: Lol:
: Lol:
: Razz:
kostas87
11-07-2012, 10:05 PM
[QUOTE=kostas87;144077][QUOTE=hung;143967]In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other.
The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones.
In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition.
In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to.
It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
http://scienceray.com/physics/quantum-physics-provides-a-scientific-explanation-for-the-existence-of-the-soul-according-to-two-leading-researchers/[/QUOTE
: Lol:
Thanks. I started to read the book. My jugement is that the words and the answers are much complex for 1857, no?
It teaches the betterment of manking and speaks about many subjects with deep knowledge. I don't think it's religion only. Yes, maybe a shock in the past.
Indeed. There are many answers in the book much ahead of that time. Take 'matter' for instance. In a time when the scientific community did not even dream of the plasma state, the spirits were already introducing the several states of matter and how subtle it can be.
The Spirits Book main accomplishment was to 'kill' death actually, proving the immortality of the being, soul, spirit, or whatever term different cultures might employ to describe it.
Kardec wrote 5 more books that form the essence of the 'spirits' doctrine' or Spiritism. Tough it was 'born' in France, Brazil is the Country with most adepts. Today, there are millions of 'spiritsts' here, growing more in number than Catholicism. And interesting enough, the rich and more educated people makes up almost 80% of them, proving that the books are not easy reading and require a degree of education not generally found in illiterate people.
I also point to the answers covering the 'atheist principle' in the book. In physics we know that everything has a primary cause. Tough it's not my intention to waste a microsecond of my life discussing with atheists EVER, provided that the degree of stupidity inhabiting their hollow heads is huge, there are some remarkable moments in the book about it.
When Kardec asks the spirits about God, he asks 'what is' and not 'who is' God. And what the spirits answer?
'Supreme Intelligence, first-cause of all things'.
Perfect. There can only be a supreme cause to the 'entropy' of the universe.
8. What is to be thought of the opinion that attributes the first formation of things to a
fortuitous combination of matter, in other words, to chance?
"Another absurdity! Who that is possessed of common sense can regard chance as an
intelligent agent? And, besides, what is chance? Nothing."
The harmony which regulates the mechanism of the universe can only result from combinations adopted
in view of predetermined ends, and thus, by its very nature, reveals the existence of an Intelligent Power. To attribute the first formation
of things to chance is nonsense for chance cannot produce the results of intelligence. If chance could be
intelligent, it would cease to be chance.
PS. I assume you saved the file in that link. For whatever reasons, it is not working. So here is an alternate link for the book.
http://www.innerenlightenment.com/files/Spiritis_Book.pdf
The other books
http://www.innerenlightenment.com/e-Books.html
When Kardec asks the spirits about God, he asks 'what is' and not 'who is' God. And what the spirits answer?
'Supreme Intelligence, first-cause of all things'.
Perfect.
What is here "perfect"?
Stolen idea from ancient Greek Philosopher?
You must read something more in your life than those spirituous-full Kardec.
Qiaozhi
11-08-2012, 10:57 AM
Indeed. There are many answers in the book much ahead of that time. Take 'matter' for instance. In a time when the scientific community did not even dream of the plasma state, the spirits were already introducing the several states of matter and how subtle it can be.
blah, blah, blah, etc., etc.
Not only are you completely failing to learn anything of significance as you proceed through life, but you actually appear to be unlearning any useful information you may have once stumbled upon.
Table turning (sometimes called table tipping), ouija boards, dowsing rods and pendulums all have one thing in common ... the ideomotor effect. Forget spirits, ghosts, ghoulies and things that go bump in the night. Real science has the answers, whether you like it or not. As I said before, time to wake up to the real world.
By the way (coincidentally) it would have been Bram Stoker's 165th birthday today. :cool:
J_Player
11-08-2012, 11:35 AM
...The Spirits Book main accomplishment was to 'kill' death actually, proving the immortality of the being, soul, spirit...
...It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul.
...Tough it's not my intention to waste a microsecond of my life discussing with atheists EVER, provided that the degree of stupidity inhabiting their hollow heads is huge, there are some remarkable moments in the book about it.You are lying to us again hung..! :nono:
Did you forget that Michael Faraday was a scientist who proved conclusively that the "table turning" was a fraud, and the table turners ceased after they were found out?
You told us the scientists proved the existence of a soul, by showing us a fake scientific article with false information.
Now you are saying the same atheist scientists who you claim proved the existence of a soul have a huge degree of stupidity inhabiting their hollow head? :nono:
You lied to us beginning with your first post, and you are lying again..!
You certainly wasted your time with the atheist scientists... You lied about what they said the very beginning of your posts to show us "proof".
You tried to try to fool us into believing they confirmed that this book is supported by science. :nono:
Tell us now... Do you still say these scientists proved the existence of a soul?
Do you still say they support anything written in your favorite book by Kardac?
Calling these scientists stupid hollow heads because your lie was discovered does not change the facts.
We can read over 8000 scientific articles online about their work which show that they never considered the proof of a soul or any other of your religious or pseudoscience propaganda.
You don't fool us, hung!
The only science which supports your favorite cult-religion is hungscience.
:barf:
Best Wishes,
J_P
pablo72
11-10-2012, 02:02 PM
Big thannks for the link hung. Five books free to download.
Question 141 about the soul, it says that it's not loked in the body, but it irradiates.
So, it is like the light?
J_Player
11-11-2012, 02:04 AM
Big thannks for the link hung. Five books free to download.
Question 141 about the soul, it says that it's not loked in the body, but it irradiates.
So, it is like the light?It is not like light.
It is like detecting treasure with an LRL.
No science can prove that it exists.
Only anecdotal stories say it exists, not science.
Different stories from different religious teachings show much conflict of whether it is like light or if it is not, or if a soul even exists, as in the Buddhist teachings.
If hung tells you science proves something about a soul, he is lying. He posted false information about science proving his favorite cult religion is the true religion. That is a fact!
There is no scientific proof; There are only stories published from different people who want you to believe they can talk to spirits.
Best wishes, :)
J_P
Big thannks for the link hung. Five books free to download.
Question 141 about the soul, it says that it's not loked in the body, but it irradiates.
So, it is like the light?
It irradiates as light does, but it depends on what you understand by 'light'. Without entering deeper in defining 'light', let's first check the spirits' answer:
"The soul is not shut up in the body like a bird in a cage. It radiates in all directions, and manifests itself outside the body as a light radiates from a glass globe, or as a sound is propagated from a sonorous centre. In this sense the soul may be said to be exterior to thebody, but it is not therefore to be considered as enveloping the body."
Then, comes an important information: "...The soul has two envelopes; the first, or innermost, of these, of a light and subtle nature, is what you call the perispirit the other, gross, material, heavy, is the body. The soul is the centre of both these
envelopes,..."
So, as you see, it's not confined but this quantum element includes both: a much less density 'envelope' (perispirit)and the gross, brute matter, which is the body.
You might remember a special gift some people possess of imposing hands, or even closing their eyes to 'see' over hidden objects that normal eye cannot. This is an evidence of the exterior envelope manifesting as vision. The normal eye is just the link to the brain which is an interface of this envelope.
Now let's to stick with science for a moment and check what Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose found that proves the existence of the soul:
"Researchers say that when people enter into a state of clinical death, the microtubule lose their quantum state, but the information in them is not lost. In other words, the “soul” dies, but comes back to the universe."
So as you see, they confirm the quantum state of the 'envelope', only they think that the quantum information has its integrity dispersed keeping the information, when in reality, the 'envelop' or soul is not destroyed of desintegrated in any way, it only reorganizes its quantum information in a pattern still not understood by science with its present tools.
PS. Who are the spirits? They are entities like you, me and everybody. Just like we have on Earth people with different levels of evolution, also in the 'imaterial world' there are spirits with lower or higher knowledge. The ones who answered in the book, are of a much higher evolution. And by this I mean not only scientific, but MORAL evolution. The most important of all.
There is no death. We continue living. Our material life is just a stage.
J_Player
11-12-2012, 01:25 PM
Now it gets interesting...
We see how Dr. hung explains all the details about a "soul" as published by the great Kardac fraud.
And again, he attempts to legitimize the Kardac fraud by misquoting two leading scientist who study mechanisms of brain chemistry and physics.
The fact is, these scientist never said the things Dr. hung is quoting them to say.
Hung is repeating the same lie he started with in his first post.
Now let's to stick with science for a moment and check what Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose found that proves the existence of the soul:
"Researchers say that when people enter into a state of clinical death, the microtubule lose their quantum state, but the information in them is not lost. In other words, the “soul” dies, but comes back to the universe."
So as you see, they confirm the quantum state of the 'envelope', only they think that the quantum information has its integrity dispersed keeping the information, when in reality, the 'envelop' or soul is not destroyed of desintegrated in any way, it only reorganizes its quantum information in a pattern still not understood by science with its present tools.
If the things which hung claims were true, then we could say that science has proved souls exist.
And therefore we must open the doors to include spirits as part of the mechanism which makes LRLs detect buried gold.
And therefore we must also accept the Kardac publication which says there are other forms of matter which we will see hung use to promote hungscience.
However what hung posted is not true.
Hung did not stick with the science to check what Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose found.
The words that hung posted in red above, were not written by any scientist.
Those words were written by a blogger who calls himself afaceristonline from mehedinti, Romania, who posted false information about these scientists.
Hung knows this very well, as we can see at the top of this fake article where it shows the name of the publisher.
Hung knows these words are much different than what Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose found.
If we look farther, we find afaceristonline copied his article from another blogger named Lerinti Sorin, from Orăștie, Romania, about 150 miles away.
Neither of these Romanians is a scientist, and they both published false information which Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose never said.
These are the words of Romanian bloggers who receive extra spending money for posting blog articles. They are not the words of any scientist.
"Researchers say that when people enter into a state of clinical death, the microtubule lose their quantum state, but the information in them is not lost. In other words, the “soul” dies, but comes back to the universe." <-- This was never written by any scientist ever.
It was written by a Romanian blogger trying to earn some extra spending cash.
Hung knew this from the start.
There are over 8000 scientific articles online which show what these scientists really said.
But Dr. hung chooses to ignore the truth, so he can post false information from Romanian bloggers.
Why?
To trick people into believing that science proved his idea of religion and souls it the true religion.
Sorry, repeating a lie doesn't cause it to become the truth. :nono:
Best wishes, :)
J_P
pablo72
11-14-2012, 09:58 AM
So as you see, they confirm the quantum state of the 'envelope', only they think that the quantum information has its integrity dispersed keeping the information, when in reality, the 'envelop' or soul is not destroyed of desintegrated in any way, it only reorganizes its quantum information in a pattern still not understood by science with its present tools.
PS. Who are the spirits? They are entities like you, me and everybody. Just like we have on Earth people with different levels of evolution, also in the 'imaterial world' there are spirits with lower or higher knowledge. The ones who answered in the book, are of a much higher evolution. And by this I mean not only scientific, but MORAL evolution. The most important of all.
There is no death. We continue living. Our material life is just a stage.
Thanks hung. I agree. I think that the answers by the spirits in the book are very rich in details, profound and scientific. They speak about matter, creation of the universe and moral with great knowledge.
I have a personal case in my family and these reading is a blessing for us all know death does not exist. Many people don't know much about what science is discovering because many things not divulged. Near death experiences have dedicated studies by science at present.
Good to see that you are one person who is informed about science finds. I intend to read all five books.
Good to see that you are one person who is informed about science finds.
I intend to read all five books.
Please hurry, there are 36 days only, till to End of the World.
Morgan
11-14-2012, 09:55 PM
Please hurry, there are 36 days only, till to End of the World.
I hear bla bla talking that the END of the world starts at 21/12/2012,some kind of a big meteor will colides with the planet...the same type that cientist said responsible for dinossaurs extermination.
hope is another nonsense...
Qiaozhi
11-14-2012, 11:03 PM
I hear bla bla talking that the END of the world starts at 21/12/2012,some kind of a big meteor will colides with the planet...the same type that cientist said responsible for dinossaurs extermination.
hope is another nonsense...
Don't worry.
If it doesn't happen, there will be another "The End is Nigh" prophecy just around the corner. :rolleyes: They're like buses. You don't see one for ages, then two come along at once. I think they get lonely (a bit like the naysayers) they're just looking for attention.
J_Player
11-15-2012, 06:48 AM
Don't worry.
If it doesn't happen, there will be another "The End is Nigh" prophecy just around the corner. :rolleyes: They're like buses. You don't see one for ages, then two come along at once. I think they get lonely (a bit like the naysayers) they're just looking for attention.Are there garbage buses in Brazil to remove the rubbish?
Best Wishes, :)
J_P
Qiaozhi
11-15-2012, 08:19 PM
Are there garbage buses in Brazil to remove the rubbish?
Best Wishes, :)
J_P
No idea.
Ask Hung. :rolleyes:
Thanks hung. I agree. I think that the answers by the spirits in the book are very rich in details, profound and scientific. They speak about matter, creation of the universe and moral with great knowledge.
I have a personal case in my family and these reading is a blessing for us all know death does not exist. Many people don't know much about what science is discovering because many things not divulged. Near death experiences have dedicated studies by science at present.
Good to see that you are one person who is informed about science finds. I intend to read all five books.
Enjoy. One important reading is the 'Mediums Book', where you will learn how genuine answers from high evolved spirits are filtered against the ones from the sciolists.
Knowledge is the most valuable item we can conquer. But remember, the greater the knowledge you gather, the greater the moral responsibility you will inherit.
Exponentially.
Carl-NC
11-16-2012, 04:49 PM
Hung, you and Art Flowers provide some of the finest entertainment in human psychology around. I couldn't make this stuff up.
J_Player
11-16-2012, 05:02 PM
Enjoy. One important reading is the 'Mediums Book', where you will learn how genuine answers from high evolved spirits are filtered against the ones from the sciolists.
Knowledge is the most valuable item we can conquer. But remember, the greater the knowledge you gather, the greater the moral responsibility you will inherit.
Exponentially.sciolist? What is a sciolist?
According to the Oxford Dictionary:
"Sciolist: noun; archaic; a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
Apparently Dr. hung learns science proof from Romainian online bloggers afaceristonline and Lerinti Sorin, who have no science credentials.
But why not use Romanian bloggers to show spiritism is proved to be true by science?
If a real scientist will not help him prove spiritism is science, certainly he can use Sciolism to pretend faked Romainian blogger quotes are the words of scientific proof.
Dr. hung has no moral responsibility to tell the truth when it concerns his favorite cult religion, such as spiritism, does he?
Quotes from Romainian bloggers will certainly fool engineers who have actually earned degrees in the sciences, won't they?
Can an educated person tell the difference between spiritism and science?
Or are they too stupid to spot a sciolist when they smell his garbage?
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Best Wishes, :rolleyes:
J_P
pablo72
11-16-2012, 07:13 PM
hung,I am having problems to download the mediums book. Do you have another link?
pablo72
11-16-2012, 08:13 PM
ok,I could download it some minutes ago. I think the site was experiecing problems.
Today I sent copies of the Spirits Book to friends who got interested. Amazing book. Thanks again, hung.
ok,I could download it some minutes ago. I think the site was experiecing problems.
Today I sent copies of the Spirits Book to friends who got interested. Amazing book. Thanks again, hung.
Welcome to knowledge. Use it with wisdom.
Best of luck.
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