New PDK

[Geo]

Here is my final version of PDK.
It is more sensitive than PDK 2.0 and detects very easy the phenomenon.
It needs a retune after 2 min and after it can work 1 hour without the needing of new tuning.

[Hgoumenos]

Congratulations and you wish have good results as the wanna get greetings Hgoumenos

[ozanmelih]

Here is my final version of PDK.
It is more sensitive than PDK 2.0 and detects very easy the phenomenon.
It needs a retune after 2 min and after it can work 1 hour without the needing of new tuning.
Hi..wish you best Mr. Geo...Does it find just gold and silver?..

[kostas87]

geo Great work as always!
We hope to see you working closely someday!

;)

[Morgan]

Here is my final version of PDK.
It is more sensitive than PDK 2.0 and detects very easy the phenomenon.
It needs a retune after 2 min and after it can work 1 hour without the needing of new tuning.

Very interesting

Here some questions :

1-distance for a 1,5V spark

2-target distance

3-It can locate gold in front of OO coils ?

4-what is the working frequency ?


Regards

[humhum]

Hi Geo , can you post more photos (front,left right side) or Video from your new very sensitive PDK.
Maybe it works with TX-RX (so like Normal MD) + Magnetic Field Receiver and Passive Ferrite Receiver with fine adjust.
Congratulation ...

Regards.;)

[michael]

Here is my final version of PDK.
It is more sensitive than PDK 2.0 and detects very easy the phenomenon.
It needs a retune after 2 min and after it can work 1 hour without the needing of new tuning.

Hi Geo, good work. Again congratulation. we assume it's very very nice working detector and bla bala bla..... so what? :rolleyes:

Frankly; we all know all members here are thirsty for complete information to make it as you yourself are such for a device. finally what will you do about informing us? Tell it honestly; do you have any decision to help us make it or no it's just a show of this device or like past, again some useless defective information to cutting our hands of accessing to a good LRL?
If is like past tell us from now to know not waste our times on this case.
of course I'm sure you won't give us the whole information.

[hung]

Since this is an open forum, I don't think Geo or any other person who has built their devices would be that naive or idiot enough to post his project and plans here. With all the starving businessmen around, specially the owner of this site for a LRL project to put their hands on, I even think he is in risk disclosing the insides of his device.

With my Tubedec, I only show pictures from minimum of 4 feet away. And sorry, only from the outer shell.

[humhum]

Since this is an open forum, I don't think Geo or any other person who has built their devices would be that naive or idiot enough to post his project and plans here. With all the starving businessmen around, specially the owner of this site for a LRL project to put their hands on, I even think he is in risk disclosing the insides of his device.

With my Tubedec, I only show pictures from minimum of 4 feet away. And sorry, only from the outer shell.


Hi Hung,
I think that, with one or some Picture not have luck for build this LRL, because not have full schematic or detail information how works it. Only info for general works.

[nelson]

Congratulations Michael
If someone wants to make money from PDK, go ahead and open a personal web site about your work and your buissness., cause has i understood the first time i joinned this web site, it was for people that wants to experiment and share real information to build they own detectors. I think is not good to stay here, get a lot of information from members experiments and then build a device that finally is a super secret that at end will not share full information.
Has Michael says, i feel the same way, cause this long range locators site have the same objective has geotech1.com, sharing information to build a working detector and then members contribute with experiments to get better performance of a working proyect. but here i have seen no device that really works, only smoke curtins with false data, so this way if you build something, will never work unless you pay for one unit.
Belive it or not, in this world there are a lot of people that don´t have abilities to build a MD or PD, even if you send them full schematics they could not build a working device, so i don´t understand why not to share.
Personally i have a bad expirence from people who asked me on PM some information that i have and after i send it to them, no more emails or PM, and of course, no data sharing to get a working device.
If anyone have a device that works and is a private work and experiments and wants to let us know his job here, is diferent, cause he did not got information from members. He investigate and experiments by his own.
Finally i hope someday we can get our own PD working instead of thinking on buying it at an overprice, cause i m shure if we open it and after removing all componets cover materials, will find the same circuit we all know with some minor mods.
For people who wants to build a PD or PDK, get Carls book and find there some very good information to understand this devices work. On the book you will find good tips that if you read and read, you will get a much clear idea on how to build one and with experimentation i bealive you will get the idea to get a good working machine.

Regards

Nelson

Regards

Nelson


Hi Geo, good work. Again congratulation. we assume it's very very nice working detector and bla bala bla..... so what? :rolleyes:

Frankly; we all know all members here are thirsty for complete information to make it as you yourself are such for a device. finally what will you do about informing us? Tell it honestly; do you have any decision to help us make it or no it's just a show of this device or like past, again some useless defective information to cutting our hands of accessing to a good LRL?
If is like past tell us from now to know not waste our times on this case.
of course I'm sure you won't give us the whole information.

[J_Player]

...I think is not good to stay here, get a lot of information from members experiments and then build a device that finally is a super secret that at end will not share full information.
Has Michael says, i feel the same way, cause this long range locators site have the same objective has geotech1.com, sharing information to build a working detector and then members contribute with experiments to get better performance of a working proyect. but here i have seen no device that really works, only smoke curtins with false data, so this way if you build something, will never work unless you pay for one unit.

...For people who wants to build a PD or PDK, get Carls book and find there some very good information to understand this devices work. On the book you will find good tips that if you read and read, you will get a much clear idea on how to build one and with experimentation i bealive you will get the idea to get a good working machine.

Regards
Nelson


Originally posted by michael
Hi Geo, good work. Again congratulation. we assume it's very very nice working detector and bla bala bla..... so what?
Frankly; we all know all members here are thirsty for complete information to make it as you yourself are such for a device. finally what will you do about informing us? Tell it honestly; do you have any decision to help us make it or no it's just a show of this device or like past, again some useless defective information to cutting our hands of accessing to a good LRL?
If is like past tell us from now to know not waste our times on this case.
of course I'm sure you won't give us the whole information.Congratulations to Michael and Nelson..! http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif
At least two members of this longrangelocating forum have discovered the true purpose of the forum.

The purpose of the longrangelocator forum is not the same as the Geotech forum.
In the Geotech forum, we see members posting some very advanced cutting-edge designs and sharing information to build working detectors that are more advanced than you can buy in a store.
But in the longrangelocator forum we see photos of sloppy-looking hand-built locators which were made by hobbyists who have no intention to show us how to build a working copy.
We see some photos of a long range locator, and a few hints for what parts are used, but the secrets are hidden behind smoke curtains with false data.
This method of forum posts was started in the longrange locator forum in 2006 when Esteban began showing photos, along with tiny thumbnail images of the schematics that cannot be read.
The question arises: Why do these people show photos of thier "working detectors", then tell us they are a secret?
The answer is clear: They are trying to improve their prestige and glory by showing off what they have, but you cannot have.
What other reason could there be?

In all the time when Esteban was posting photos of his LRLs, he never gave the full details of how to build a working copy.
Then we see several other forum members copied his technique to gain glory for themselves.
But there are actually other reasons why people male posts in this forum.

Here are a few examples:
1. Manufacturers who want to sell their proprietary designs come here to advertise their products by making forum posts.
We see good examples of this by Morgan, Dell Winders, and Crypton.
In the case of Crypton, it seems that the posts are usually made by customers or readers who see the products on the website.
I do not see Crypton actively advertising here.
In the case of Morgan, he has been a long time member to the longrangelocators forum, and is a friend to most of us.
We all remember him as the person who will never show all the secrets to build a working copy of his locators, same as Esteban.

2. Some people who show posts of their LRLs in this forum are trying to convince other readers that they have built locators which work very well to locate at long distance.
We all have seen the videos of locators locating olive trees and metal garage doors.
Actually when I look back, some of these videos appear to be true long range locating.
I remember seeing Morgan and Geo use the Alonso PD in a manner which appeared to show beeping at a long-time buried gold medal from a distance of 2 meters.
I also saw MIJ's excellent video showing some interesting detection from a similar distance.
But, putting aside the few good videos I have seen, I see a lot of people come here to pretend they have a good long range locator, such as the hung Tubedec, which has no documentation at all for its performance.
What we were shown in the Tubedec post is simply an excercise in product packaging.
The performance is not expected to be any better than a Mineoro DCH85, which is easy to reverse-engineer.

3. Let's look at some other projects we see in the longrangelocator forum which have complete schematics to build.
These are mostly MFD signal generators and static charge detectors.
Do they work?
According to the people who built them and tested them, they do not locate treasure.
We see only Esteban claims they work. Then we read that Esteban did not tell us the secret antenna details which must be done in order to make his zahori work.

4. Finally, we see posts which are made by evil skeptics. Most of these posts are making fun at LRLs, and warning people that they do not work.
But we also see some other posts by skeptics which provide some solid electronic circuits that can accomplish the electronic objectives of LRL experimenters.
These are a real help to the users of LRL's, because most LRL users are not capable of designing circuits without some help to show them what parts to use, and what circuits to copy.

Did you ever wonder why most LRL users don't know much about electronics?
I never wondered.
But that's Just me.
The only thing I wondered is why people come here to show photos of their really, really working LRLs, when they have no proof that they are really, really working, and they have no intention of showing other readers how to build a working copy.
The answer I discovered is these people have a need to show photos to convince others that they have built their brilliant contraptions which nobody else can have.
Maybe this makes them feel as if they are better than others who do not show photos of a really, really working LRL, that nobody else can have.

I suppose this constant bragging about really, really working LRLs explains why this is the biggest longrangelocators forum in the world.
People come here and see the photos, then they make posts to find out how they can build the same really, really working LRL.
Then they find out they cannot have the really, really working LRL.
They can only look at photos, and envy the brilliant designer who built it.
Then, after they become discouraged and leave, there are plenty of new suckers to come and replace them. Just like PT Barnham said... "There's another sucker borne every minute".
Am I right? Or do I have the wrong idea? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dave J.]

Great theory, J_P, but not the only theory. Hung says the purpose of the forum (established by Carl Moreland) is to get LRL fans to divulge their secrets so he can get filthy rich stealing their ideas. So of course the fans have to protect their IP.

Now it must be admitted that this is a rather funny theory for several reasons.

1. Carl is a master electronics engineer who knows how to build various kinds of long range locating equipment, has built some of it, and works for White's which manufactures some of it. But there's this embarrassing problem: the stuff works, nobody disputes that it works, and that's what makes it NOT an "LRL". You will see in this forum that LRL fans have zero interest in discussing long range locating equipment that actually works. Therefore it's obvious that LRL fans and "skeptics" alike agree on what an LRL is or isn't. Really works, not fraudulent? Not an LRL, this is an LRL forum.

2. If Carl's gonna steal someone's LRL IP, all he's gotta do is to buy one and reverse engineer it. Now if the electronic jimcrackery is all a ruse and what really makes it work is majick pixiedust, he may not know about the pixiedust and therefore his copy ain't gonna work. But this would only prove what he's been saying all along-- that the electronics are fraudulent.

3. Several manufacturers of LRL's, their own advertising makes it clear that the apparatus is fraudulent. Nothing there that Carl would want to "steal"!

4. Mineoro, as it turns out, does have a trade secret-- that they use secret transmitters to make the receiver beep at the right time when doing a "demo". Guess who revealed this trade secret? It was Hung himself who admitted that at least some of the time they use a sonde transmitter buried near the target!

5. If Carl's gonna "steal someone's LRL IP", either he can't recognize IP worth "stealing" or nobody's posted anything worth "stealing". This forum has been running for how long now? (Hint: since a long time before he went to work for White's.) By Hung's theory, this forum has been an abject failure, if Carl came to his senses he'd shut it down.

6. By Hung's theory, nobody who knows anything about LRL's that actually work should be posting here, because after all the whole purpose of the forum is for Carl (or anyone else as smart as Carl) to swipe IP! But as it turns out, this is the liveliest LRL site on the planet. Nobody's making LRL fans and even manufacturers and their reps post here, they do it of their own volition.

* * * * * * *

So, when it comes to shameless ridiculosity, Hung's theory is certainly the best. But back in the world of "read the advertisement" reality, J_P seems to have the best explanation.

--Dave J.

[Qiaozhi]

]... in the longrangelocator forum we see photos of sloppy-looking hand-built locators which were made by hobbyists who have no intention to show us how to build a working copy.
We see some photos of a long range locator, and a few hints for what parts are used, but the secrets are hidden behind smoke curtains with false data.
J_P
Aha!
Maybe that's where I went wrong with the TOTeM PDK in Chapter 14 of "Inside the METAL DETECTOR". I should have made a number of intentional mistakes in the design, missed out some vital pieces of information, and only hinted at the correct method of coil balancing.
Because everything is fully explained in the text, and it was designed by a skeptic, it cannot possibly be any good. :lol:

The whole point of TOTeM is to act as an experimental platform, if you want to investigate the exceptionally "gray" area of LRL pistols. There are no guarantees that you will find any treasure, but there again you won't have to spend mega-bucks on an LRL that will give the same result. Even if you're a skeptic (like me) it's an interesting project to build and test. You can see first-hand why so many people are convinced by this "technology".

[Morgan]

Congratulations to Michael and Nelson..! http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif
At least two members of this longrangelocating forum have discovered the true purpose of the forum.

The purpose of the longrangelocator forum is not the same as the Geotech forum.
In the Geotech forum, we see members posting some very advanced cutting-edge designs and sharing information to build working detectors that are more advanced than you can buy in a store.
But in the longrangelocator forum we see photos of sloppy-looking hand-built locators which were made by hobbyists who have no intention to show us how to build a working copy.
We see some photos of a long range locator, and a few hints for what parts are used, but the secrets are hidden behind smoke curtains with false data.
This method of forum posts was started in the longrange locator forum in 2006 when Esteban began showing photos, along with tiny thumbnail images of the schematics that cannot be read.
The question arises: Why do these people show photos of thier "working detectors", then tell us they are a secret?
The answer is clear: They are trying to improve their prestige and glory by showing off what they have, but you cannot have.
What other reason could there be?

In all the time when Esteban was posting photos of his LRLs, he never gave the full details of how to build a working copy.
Then we see several other forum members copied his technique to gain glory for themselves.
But there are actually other reasons why people male posts in this forum.

Here are a few examples:
1. Manufacturers who want to sell their proprietary designs come here to advertise their products by making forum posts.
We see good examples of this by Morgan, Dell Winders, and Crypton.
In the case of Crypton, it seems that the posts are usually made by customers or readers who see the products on the website.
I do not see Crypton actively advertising here.
In the case of Morgan, he has been a long time member to the longrangelocators forum, and is a friend to most of us.
We all remember him as the person who will never show all the secrets to build a working copy of his locators, same as Esteban.

2. Some people who show posts of their LRLs in this forum are trying to convince other readers that they have built locators which work very well to locate at long distance.
We all have seen the videos of locators locating olive trees and metal garage doors.
Actually when I look back, some of these videos appear to be true long range locating.
I remember seeing Morgan and Geo use the Alonso PD in a manner which appeared to show beeping at a long-time buried gold medal from a distance of 2 meters.
I also saw MIJ's excellent video showing some interesting detection from a similar distance.
But, putting aside the few good videos I have seen, I see a lot of people come here to pretend they have a good long range locator, such as the hung Tubedec, which has no documentation at all for its performance.
What we were shown in the Tubedec post is simply an excercise in product packaging.
The performance is not expected to be any better than a Mineoro DCH85, which is easy to reverse-engineer.

3. Let's look at some other projects we see in the longrangelocator forum which have complete schematics to build.
These are mostly MFD signal generators and static charge detectors.
Do they work?
According to the people who built them and tested them, they do not locate treasure.
We see only Esteban claims they work. Then we read that Esteban did not tell us the secret antenna details which must be done in order to make his zahori work.

4. Finally, we see posts which are made by evil skeptics. Most of these posts are making fun at LRLs, and warning people that they do not work.
But we also see some other posts by skeptics which provide some solid electronic circuits that can accomplish the electronic objectives of LRL experimenters.
These are a real help to the users of LRL's, because most LRL users are not capable of designing circuits without some help to show them what parts to use, and what circuits to copy.

Did you ever wonder why most LRL users don't know much about electronics?
I never wondered.
But that's Just me.
The only thing I wondered is why people come here to show photos of their really, really working LRLs, when they have no proof that they are really, really working, and they have no intention of showing other readers how to build a working copy.
The answer I discovered is these people have a need to show photos to convince others that they have built their brilliant contraptions which nobody else can have.
Maybe this makes them feel as if they are better than others who do not show photos of a really, really working LRL, that nobody else can have.

I suppose this constant bragging about really, really working LRLs explains why this is the biggest longrangelocators forum in the world.
People come here and see the photos, then they make posts to find out how they can build the same really, really working LRL.
Then they find out they cannot have the really, really working LRL.
They can only look at photos, and envy the brilliant designer who built it.
Then, after they become discouraged and leave, there are plenty of new suckers to come and replace them. Just like PT Barnham said... "There's another sucker borne every minute".
Am I right? Or do I have the wrong idea? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif


Best wishes, :)
J_P


""""""""""""""We see good examples of this by Morgan, Dell Winders, and Crypton.""""""""""

It seems the rebelion starts...

My Answer to this,i´m not promoting the PDK´s to sell here,i post evidence and videos that PDK is one LRL that it works.
The PDK´s i sold it start for friends,then the friends ask more PDK´s for other friends and is a cicle. I even not answer to PM´s of other people from Turkya,Philiphines etc.
Most of PDK´s i sold,the owners sent me emails talking about the finds,distances and deeps,its good for scientic evidence about the LRL, and the fact that i sold one PDK to Mexico is my coriousity if PDK work the same in so far country,it seems yes.
Most of PDK´s was sold to Greece,one owner found little treasure(2000 Y.o gold objects) .
The fact that the PDK is sucessful in other countries make me desire to help the TH´s,but as result i spend most of my free time building PDK´s,and dont have time for my TH searches with my own PDK...
The standard price of 400E + transportation cost,is enough for the difficult task of building the handmade LRL,however maybe i earn more if start searches in Germany,Greece,UK ,using my PDK-3 (UNIQUE).
So,i want to give you the ideia that i´m not a LRL producer that expose the product here in your forum to catch clients,what happening is the forum members who convince me to build the PDK´s for them,and this is diferent from what Dell,or Andreas are doing,they are legal LRL makers with all rights to anounce their products here,this is normal in LRL forum.

[J_Player]

""""""""""""""We see good examples of this by Morgan, Dell Winders, and Crypton.""""""""""

It seems the rebelion starts...

My Answer to this,i´m not promoting the PDK´s to sell here,i post evidence and videos that PDK is one LRL that it works.
The PDK´s i sold it start for friends,then the friends ask more PDK´s for other friends and is a cicle. I even not answer to PM´s of other people from Turkya,Philiphines etc.
Most of PDK´s i sold,the owners sent me emails talking about the finds,distances and deeps,its good for scientic evidence about the LRL, and the fact that i sold one PDK to Mexico is my coriousity if PDK work the same in so far country,it seems yes.
Most of PDK´s was sold to Greece,one owner found little treasure(2000 Y.o gold objects) .
The fact that the PDK is sucessful in other countries make me desire to help the TH´s,but as result i spend most of my free time building PDK´s,and dont have time for my TH searches with my own PDK...
The standard price of 400E + transportation cost,is enough for the difficult task of building the handmade LRL,however maybe i earn more if start searches in Germany,Greece,UK ,using my PDK-3 (UNIQUE).
So,i want to give you the ideia that i´m not a LRL producer that expose the product here in your forum to catch clients,what happening is the forum members who convince me to build the PDK´s for them,and this is diferent from what Dell,or Andreas are doing,they are legal LRL makers with all rights to anounce their products here,this is normal in LRL forum.Well well,
Rebellion? What rebellion?
Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
For what reason?
Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
You must tell the truth, Morgan!
The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:

The PDK-2 is handmade,it cost same price like a metal detector...
...the answer is positive,i can make one PDK-2 for you.
But you need to wait,i´m extremly busy now...
...Two PDK´s per month thats the best i can do...yes,need to waith.
I made some PDK´s ,and fortunatly most of the users send me email telling me about good findings...

And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
Who are you trying to fool?
We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement! http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/good.gif
You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
See here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143862&postcount=68
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143884&postcount=72

Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[daryo]

very nice detector
is your detector for sell? do you want to sell it or just it is for yourself ?
thanks

[Morgan]

Well well,
Rebellion? What rebellion?
Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
For what reason?
Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
You must tell the truth, Morgan!
The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:



And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
Who are you trying to fool?
We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement! http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/good.gif
You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
See here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143862&postcount=68
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143884&postcount=72

Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Yes,it start the rebellion

[Morgan]

Well well,
Rebellion? What rebellion?
Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
For what reason?
Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
You must tell the truth, Morgan!
The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:



And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
Who are you trying to fool?
We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement! http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/good.gif
You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
See here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143862&postcount=68
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143884&postcount=72

Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Understand that even if i post here the complete schematic of PDK-2, nobody can put it to work 100%, unless if travel to my field test to make the coils tuned near a real long time ago buried gold or silver object.
The process of tuning coils and adjust value of capacitor to locate the electromagnetic field around the buried object,IS EXTREMLY DIFICULT,not for everybody,need skill and patient.
Sure i will not put the schematic here.

10 PDK´s was sold, and oly three of the owners complain that PDK not locate gold yet,however i said them to send me back the PDK´s if not happy,they refuse,what you think about that ?

For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it.
Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH...

Regards

[J_Player]

Yes,it start the rebellion


Understand that even if i post here the complete schematic of PDK-2, nobody can put it to work 100%, unless if travel to my field test to make the coils tuned near a real long time ago buried gold or silver object.
The process of tuning coils and adjust value of capacitor to locate the electromagnetic field around the buried object,IS EXTREMLY DIFICULT,not for everybody,need skill and patient.
Sure i will not put the schematic here.

10 PDK´s was sold, and oly three of the owners complain that PDK not locate gold yet,however i said them to send me back the PDK´s if not happy,they refuse,what you think about that ?

For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it.
Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH...

RegardsWhat? A rebellion?
You are telling all the readers of this forum that if they learn the truth, then you will start a rebellion?
Who is this rebellion?
Is it Morgan and Geo against the world?
I don't believe it! :nono:

I think the people who read this forum are smart enough to understand what is truth, and what is advertising to sell LRLs.
But why must you start a rebellion?

You see all the people who beg for you to sell them your PDK.
And now you tell them you will not sell them your PDK because you want a rebellion?
Why?

This is difficult to understand.
Is it because michael and Nelson and saw the truth?
Sure, we know you are selling your LRLs, but what is wrong with selling LRLs?
There is no rule which says you cannot use this forum to advertise your LRLs and sell them here.
I think it is a good idea to sell your PDK in this forum.
If enough people buy the PDK, then we can see people post the results that they find with the PDK.
We all want to see treasures that were found with the PDK, because the PDK is the most highly advertised LRL in the forum at this time.
It is good for the forum to see more reports of recoveries made with the PDK.
Why must you make a rebellion to stop selling PDKs?

You must understand...
I do not have any problem to see many photos of your PDK and your advertising for the PDK in this forum.
The only problem I explained is that you are not honest, to say you are not advertising your PDK.
It is fine with me if you advertise your PDK, but you should not pretend you are not advertising your PDK and selling it here.
There is no shame to advertise your LRLs for sale here. Dell winders has been advertising his Omnitrons here for many years.
You certainly are permitted to use the same forum as Dell Winders uses to advertise your PDKs.
Selling PDKs here is good for the forum, to help remain the biggest LRL forum in the world.
I am sure your customers will forgive you if you do not post your schematics here... same as they forgave Esteban.

You say only 3 of 10 PDK customers complained about poor detection?
I think this is not a problem for us.
We all know that Carl's test requires only 70% detection... So your PDK has passed the 70% rule and is proven to be good.

For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it.
Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH...
Morgan, my friend,
You make a mistake.
I am not happy to see you abandon your customers. I prefer that you spend your time manufacturing LRLs for them.
Treasure hunting is a fun hobby.
But there is a business ethic to be loyal to your customers, which is more important than to ignore your customers so you can use your time to indulge in your favorite hobbies.
If you want to make me happy, then you will spend your time manufacturing your PDKs, and give good service to your customers.
Best of luck with your LRL business.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[nelson]

You are 100% correct Qiaozhi
The book explains everithing you need to buils, experiment and test a pdk. Even you can get correct information to upgrade you basic pdk build by some members and also my self.

Regards

Nelson


Aha!
Maybe that's where I went wrong with the TOTeM PDK in Chapter 14 of "Inside the METAL DETECTOR". I should have made a number of intentional mistakes in the design, missed out some vital pieces of information, and only hinted at the correct method of coil balancing.
Because everything is fully explained in the text, and it was designed by a skeptic, it cannot possibly be any good. :lol:

The whole point of TOTeM is to act as an experimental platform, if you want to investigate the exceptionally "gray" area of LRL pistols. There are no guarantees that you will find any treasure, but there again you won't have to spend mega-bucks on an LRL that will give the same result. Even if you're a skeptic (like me) it's an interesting project to build and test. You can see first-hand why so many people are convinced by this "technology".

[nelson]

Sorry Morgan, but i think J_Player is correct.
My english is not 100% correct, but i just want you to know that i agree with J_Player comments.
You know what, i m tired to read post about pdk with no sense at the end, no full schematics, just sales and more sales.
I don´t like to get a schematic telling you that this is the correct circuit for a working machine. Then you go and buy electronics components, build or design a pcb, mount components, test the circuit and finally you see a non working machine. Then you ask for help and here the problem starts when you just recibe smoke curtains to confuse you and also to obligate you again to buy more components, because the bad calls gurus, are telling you that your must go and replace or mod your circuit. THen again you go for more components to do this gurus mods, and then the same, pdk does not work. Again, you the stupid or ignorant that did not assemble pdk in the correct way, so again you must correct the supose errors you made. For example, when you send me pdk schematics you said, here is pdk schematic, but this is secret and don´t tell anyone that i send you this.
Today i m still waiting for that working pdk schematic, and i thank Good i did not buy pdk from you, because we know that information will be realise here very soon or someone will post working pdk circuit.
About crypton mini, this is diferent, cause Andreas have made his work on secret and results of his work are posted on his web site. Andreas never send non sence information, and if he is now selling a new machine, that fine because he is working by his own and not with the help of longrangelocators.com members.
I hope not to hear again and again the same words, i hope to hear some real information for hobbist interest about a pd or pdk build.

Regards

Nelson


Well well,
Rebellion? What rebellion?
Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
For what reason?
Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
You must tell the truth, Morgan!
The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:



And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
Who are you trying to fool?
We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement! http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/good.gif
You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
See here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143862&postcount=68
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143884&postcount=72

Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[FrancoItaly]

Hi All
I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board.

Best Regards

[Morgan]

Sorry Morgan, but i think J_Player is correct.
My english is not 100% correct, but i just want you to know that i agree with J_Player comments.
You know what, i m tired to read post about pdk with no sense at the end, no full schematics, just sales and more sales.
I don´t like to get a schematic telling you that this is the correct circuit for a working machine. Then you go and buy electronics components, build or design a pcb, mount components, test the circuit and finally you see a non working machine. Then you ask for help and here the problem starts when you just recibe smoke curtains to confuse you and also to obligate you again to buy more components, because the bad calls gurus, are telling you that your must go and replace or mod your circuit. THen again you go for more components to do this gurus mods, and then the same, pdk does not work. Again, you the stupid or ignorant that did not assemble pdk in the correct way, so again you must correct the supose errors you made. For example, when you send me pdk schematics you said, here is pdk schematic, but this is secret and don´t tell anyone that i send you this.
Today i m still waiting for that working pdk schematic, and i thank Good i did not buy pdk from you, because we know that information will be realise here very soon or someone will post working pdk circuit.
About crypton mini, this is diferent, cause Andreas have made his work on secret and results of his work are posted on his web site. Andreas never send non sence information, and if he is now selling a new machine, that fine because he is working by his own and not with the help of longrangelocators.com members.
I hope not to hear again and again the same words, i hope to hear some real information for hobbist interest about a pd or pdk build.

Regards

Nelson

Hello Nelson

If is your desire i can put here one email you sent me. In this letter you telling me that pick clear signals (with your handmade PDK-1) in one parivate propriety,during your vacations. In the letter you explain that is a problem for you if digging in this place...
Well,i allways thought that you built correctly your LRL. Now whart you telling me is diferent thig,are you a lier ,or just playing with me ?

Best regards

[nelson]

Hi FrancoItaly

Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you.
I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish.
Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic.
GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands.
Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information.
Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects.

Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori.

I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use.

Regards

Nelson

Hi All
I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board.

Best Regards

[J_Player]

Hi FrancoItaly

Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you.
I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish.
Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic.
GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands.
Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information.
Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects.

Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori.

I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use.

Regards

Nelson
Hi All
I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board.

Best Regards
Hi Nelson,
I believe you have the correct idea.
There was a time when people made posts in this forum to show complete schematics, with no hidden parts, and no secrets.
You can see a good example in the Ivconic negative charge detector here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11392

In this topic, you will see the full circuit for Ivconic's charge detector, with many tips, and modifications to get very sensitive detection.
You will see many forum members making comments to improve the electronics. And you will see the final circuit is a rather sophisticated differential amplifier design.

As you read through the thread, you will find four additional full schematics of simpler charge detectors posted.
This is one place where you will find most of the best designs for electric charge detectors all in one place.
Any hobbyists can read, and find all details and tips to build these charge detectors.

But most important, Carl-NC is the owner of this forum --- Here is what Carl-NC said when he saw the posts in the Ivconic negative charge detector thread:
... this is a very interesting thread, and exactly what this forum is intended for. Thanks for all the contributions.
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=40957#post40957

You can see that Carl-NC also agrees with your idea.
Carl intended for hobbyists to learn how to experiment with long range locating together in this forum.
He did not intend that this is a place to show photos of secret LRLs which nobody else can have, or posting misleading information, or missing parts which make the design impossible.
But we see most of the posts in this longrangelocator forum are now showing photos of secret circuits LRLs which you will not be shown how to build.
The exceptions where we see complete circuits and projects come from a few skeptics who post complete circuits for other people to build, and from a few LRL hobbyists who truly are interested in sharing their experiments with other hobbyists.
While Carl did not intend this forum to be used as a place to show photos of secret detectors with false data, and hidden smoke screens, he did not make any rules to stop them.
So it is okay with the forum rules for people to come here to brag about locators which you cannot have to make experiments with.
And it has always been okay for manufacturers to advertise their products here, as long as they make their advertisements in the form of posts which tell detection information before people to send in their orders.

Already you have discovered there are some forum members who send you some real help, not smoke screens and missing data.
Maybe you will see these same people are the ones who you read making posts and giving tips in the Ivconic negative ion detector post from my link above.
And you have seen some of your best help came from the book that was written by the biggest skeptics of the entire forum... Carl-NC and Qiaozhi.

Of course, there is no need for any fight. Manufacturers are welcome here.
You have learned that you will not be getting complete details for experimenting from Morgan or Geo or hung, and probably some others who did not post in this thread.
But this is not a reason for a rebellion or a fight.
This forum was intended for hobbyists to work together to share their ideas and find success with their experiments.
The truth is known, so you are now free to look in the directions which you feel are most productive.
You already are learning which forum members are interested in this same idea that you have.

I see FrancoItaly also understands the truth of this forum.
We know FrancoItaly is one of the better engineers in this forum, with a good understanding of electronics and very competent in his design work.
I congratulate FrancoItaly, michael, and Nelson for discovering the truth of how this forum works.
It seems you all paid the price of wasted hours building impossible circuits, but with your persistence, I am sure there is no obstacle you cannot overcome.
Hopefully others can read, and understand to save themselves the trouble you went to.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi FrancoItaly

Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you.
I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish.
Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic.
GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands.
Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information.
Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects.

Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori.

I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use.

Regards

Nelson

Dear Nelson

I start here as a forum member with the name Morgan,the name of a famous pirate,becouse i´m not a saint,but i realy put here valuable information,remember the Alonsos PD,it take me one week to dismantle and make drawings of this schematic to share with forum,becouse i know PD is working as LRL,I never sold one clone PD becouse is not my project,but the PDK is another story,and what is PDK-2 ??? is the PDK-1 (same as you build) with simple but great modification that make it 7X more power than the PDK-1,this way power is enough to pick the small size targets.
As i remember i post here the complet schematic for PDK-1,and said that there is a simple modification that UPGRADE the circuit 7X more.
Once someone open (destroy) one PDK-2 and see the inner ,will find how simple is this modification,childrens work...however,to make the PDK-2 clone , the person need to know how to calibrate it in the way to make it detect the PHENOMENON,this is dificult task.


Regards

[nelson]

Dear friend J_Player

In very short response to your post about my comments, i just feel well interpreted and thanks for helping me to express what my feelings and thiks are about how some members works on the forum.
No no no, of course i will not fight with any member, is just that i believe is correct to express my opinions about what you can find here to stop uncomplete projects. May be the basic pdk is correct, but we all know some basic information was never release, for example when i was working and posting lots of questions about RX coils made of some turns on an 8 or 10 centimetres form, none tell me that RX coil mus be made of ferrite and that the coil in front of pdk ita was the TX coil.
Ok words appart, i thank you your comments and yes FrancoItaly looks to me like a good person, cuase he is sharing his expirencies about LRL project.

Best regards

Nelson



QUOTE=J_Player;143998]Hi Nelson,
I believe you have the correct idea.
There was a time when people made posts in this forum to show complete schematics, with no hidden parts, and no secrets.
You can see a good example in the Ivconic negative charge detector here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11392

In this topic, you will see the full circuit for Ivconic's charge detector, with many tips, and modifications to get very sensitive detection.
You will see many forum members making comments to improve the electronics. And you will see the final circuit is a rather sophisticated differential amplifier design.

As you read through the thread, you will find four additional full schematics of simpler charge detectors posted.
This is one place where you will find most of the best designs for electric charge detectors all in one place.
Any hobbyists can read, and find all details and tips to build these charge detectors.

But most important, Carl-NC is the owner of this forum --- Here is what Carl-NC said when he saw the posts in the Ivconic negative charge detector thread:

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=40957#post40957

You can see that Carl-NC also agrees with your idea.
Carl intended for hobbyists to learn how to experiment with long range locating together in this forum.
He did not intend that this is a place to show photos of secret LRLs which nobody else can have, or posting misleading information, or missing parts which make the design impossible.
But we see most of the posts in this longrangelocator forum are now showing photos of secret circuits LRLs which you will not be shown how to build.
The exceptions where we see complete circuits and projects come from a few skeptics who post complete circuits for other people to build, and from a few LRL hobbyists who truly are interested in sharing their experiments with other hobbyists.
While Carl did not intend this forum to be used as a place to show photos of secret detectors with false data, and hidden smoke screens, he did not make any rules to stop them.
So it is okay with the forum rules for people to come here to brag about locators which you cannot have to make experiments with.
And it has always been okay for manufacturers to advertise their products here, as long as they make their advertisements in the form of posts which tell detection information before people to send in their orders.

Already you have discovered there are some forum members who send you some real help, not smoke screens and missing data.
Maybe you will see these same people are the ones who you read making posts and giving tips in the Ivconic negative ion detector post from my link above.
And you have seen some of your best help came from the book that was written by the biggest skeptics of the entire forum... Carl-NC and Qiaozhi.

Of course, there is no need for any fight. Manufacturers are welcome here.
You have learned that you will not be getting complete details for experimenting from Morgan or Geo or hung, and probably some others who did not post in this thread.
But this is not a reason for a rebellion or a fight.
This forum was intended for hobbyists to work together to share their ideas and find success with their experiments.
The truth is known, so you are now free to look in the directions which you feel are most productive.
You already are learning which forum members are interested in this same idea that you have.

I see FrancoItaly also understands the truth of this forum.
We know FrancoItaly is one of the better engineers in this forum, with a good understanding of electronics and very competent in his design work.
I congratulate FrancoItaly, michael, and Nelson for discovering the truth of how this forum works.
It seems you all paid the price of wasted hours building impossible circuits, but with your persistence, I am sure there is no obstacle you cannot overcome.
Hopefully others can read, and understand to save themselves the trouble you went to.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P[/QUOTE]

[nelson]

Morgan
I m not the kind of person who plays with people, this is not my way of life.
I not also a lier, and if my english was wrong is just that.
Yes is thru i got some signals with pdk but latter i found it was just a spark from a bad insulation on an electric post, so this made pdk sound. You know that pdk must be tune to some very critical frequency spectrum, so if you don t have a test bed or correct equipment to get tune on that frequency, it will be almost impossible to get a real signal from buried metals. Sparks can be almost detected with any sparks on a wideband spectrum, so again if you don t have the correct frequency and how to tune it, pdk is a no sense circuit.
You know that i asked you about how to tune pdk, then you send me some information that was incorrect and this happened many times until today.
Finally take a read to J_PLayer post a few hours ago. He interpreted me very well and that is all what i m talking about, nothing more. So my lesson was finally learned and this is that i must keep experimenting and follow orientations and advices from members that today we know are trusted people when you need real help and no more smoke curtains that just confuse you more than help you.
If i m lucky with my project i will post for free full schematics and member references that help me to get success.

Regards

Nelson

Hello Nelson

If is your desire i can put here one email you sent me. In this letter you telling me that pick clear signals (with your handmade PDK-1) in one parivate propriety,during your vacations. In the letter you explain that is a problem for you if digging in this place...
Well,i allways thought that you built correctly your LRL. Now whart you telling me is diferent thig,are you a lier ,or just playing with me ?

Best regards

[Geo]

Very interesting

Here some questions :

1-distance for a 1,5V spark

2-target distance

3-It can locate gold in front of OO coils ?

4-what is the working frequency ?


Regards

Hi Morgan.
Battery spark is about to 1.5m
Yes it can locate gold in front of OO coils. It detects better from front size than the rear size.
It receives signals at 2 frequences, one at 77,8 and other at 79.6 Khz.
Problem is that its very very difficult to calibrate it. With 3 coils it is not easy to make it to receive without a permanent oscillation. It oscillate at 30 Mhz and after a very fine tuning it stop to oscillate and receive signals.
This is the reason that i don't put the schematic here.

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Geo , can you post more photos (front,left right side) or Video from your new very sensitive PDK.
Maybe it works with TX-RX (so like Normal MD) + Magnetic Field Receiver and Passive Ferrite Receiver with fine adjust.
Congratulation ...

Regards.;)

Hi Humhum
Now i have closed. When i"ll open it then no problem to take some photos yet.
It don't works like a normal PD.
The basic is a modificated Alonso's passive receiver plus one extra amplifier plus a magnetometer as you wrote right....

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Geo, good work. Again congratulation. we assume it's very very nice working detector and bla bala bla..... so what? :rolleyes:

Frankly; we all know all members here are thirsty for complete information to make it as you yourself are such for a device. finally what will you do about informing us? Tell it honestly; do you have any decision to help us make it or no it's just a show of this device or like past, again some useless defective information to cutting our hands of accessing to a good LRL?
If is like past tell us from now to know not waste our times on this case.
of course I'm sure you won't give us the whole information.


Hi Michael.
It is not a easy project so to give it free to a forum.
In RS forum Morgan gave the schematic of PDK but nobody made it to work, so how they can make my project to work because it is very difficult????
I gave a general plan of it and some photos from inside so the members who interesting to work on it.
Forums are for ideas exchange not for suppling schematics.

Regards

[Morgan]

Hi Michael.
It is not a easy project so to give it free to a forum.
In RS forum Morgan gave the schematic of PDK but nobody made it to work, so how they can make my project to work because it is very difficult????
I gave a general plan of it and some photos from inside so the members who interesting to work on it.
Forums are for ideas exchange not for suppling schematics.

Regards

Thats correct,I GAVE THEM THE PDK SCHEMATIC !!! but nobody believe that is a working LRL schematic...

Thanks Geo

[Geo]

Hi Morgan.
I can't understand why you will stop the construction of PDKs???
There are many friends that they like a PDK by you, and some ""friends" who wants from you to stop to sell them.
My opinion is to continue constructing lrls, for the moment you sell the best LRL and maybe the only REAL lrl.

Regards

[nelson]

Sorry Geo

But who are you to tell us that this is not an easy project so to give it free to the forum?
Do you think we are stupids that we can think about how to solve "not easy projects" or you are so smart person that no one can go to your level in electronics?
Let me tell you someting, may be you have got success with pd like Morgan with pdk, but no one can disparage our knolegments in electronics unless is limited or advance.
If we (the forum members) are capable to build a metal detector with success and also implement to it some goods mods to allow a better machine, i think we understand electronics. Remeber long range detector are easier projects than a good metal detector like Delta Pulse for example. But Delta Pulse today has improved thanks to member support each other. So when you said that this is not an easy project so to give it free, i desagree cause the project indeed is an easy project, but to tune it correctly is the problem, so if you don´t contribute with full schematics i don´t understand why you are here or you are waiting for some inocent person that can help you secretely and after that you will continue to show members that you finally solve the problem for nuts and that now you have a 100% working pdk?
No my friend this is no the correct way to join a forum for mebers that have a compromise to help each other.
And if you want to know if i m upset with all this smoke curtains that for long time you and Morgan spread here, yes i m.

Sorry to other members, but i just realise this circus must be stopped.
Regards
Nelson



Hi Michael.
It is not a easy project so to give it free to a forum.
In RS forum Morgan gave the schematic of PDK but nobody made it to work, so how they can make my project to work because it is very difficult????
I gave a general plan of it and some photos from inside so the members who interesting to work on it.
Forums are for ideas exchange not for suppling schematics.

Regards

[nelson]

Yes, he sell the best LRL and maybe the only REAL lrl, THANKS TO GOOD MEMBERS HELP

Hi Morgan.
I can't understand why you will stop the construction of PDKs???
There are many friends that they like a PDK by you, and some ""friends" who wants from you to stop to sell them.
My opinion is to continue constructing lrls, for the moment you sell the best LRL and maybe the only REAL lrl.

Regards

[nelson]

No my friend, you are wrong.
This could be a working project if you have posted real information, cause every one has something to give based on correct mods and implementations.
Remember, we are gurus, but this is just the forum software that ascend us to gurus. In real world most of us , some not, are schematics cloners and reverse engeniering masters with smal electronics knolegments.

Hi Michael.
It is not a easy project so to give it free to a forum.
In RS forum Morgan gave the schematic of PDK but nobody made it to work, so how they can make my project to work because it is very difficult????
I gave a general plan of it and some photos from inside so the members who interesting to work on it.
Forums are for ideas exchange not for suppling schematics.

Regards

[Morgan]

Sorry Geo

But who are you to tell us that this is not an easy project so to give it free to the forum?
Do you think we are stupids that we can think about how to solve "not easy projects" or you are so smart person that no one can go to your level in electronics?
Let me tell you someting, may be you have got success with pd like Morgan with pdk, but no one can disparage our knolegments in electronics unless is limited or advance.
If we (the forum members) are capable to build a metal detector with success and also implement to it some goods mods to allow a better machine, i think we understand electronics. Remeber long range detector are easier projects than a good metal detector like Delta Pulse for example. But Delta Pulse today has improved thanks to member support each other. So when you said that this is not an easy project so to give it free, i desagree cause the project indeed is an easy project, but to tune it correctly is the problem, so if you don´t contribute with full schematics i don´t understand why you are here or you are waiting for some inocent person that can help you secretely and after that you will continue to show members that you finally solve the problem for nuts and that now you have a 100% working pdk?
No my friend this is no the correct way to join a forum for mebers that have a compromise to help each other.
And if you want to know if i m upset with all this smoke curtains that for long time you and Morgan spread here, yes i m.

Sorry to other members, but i just realise this circus must be stopped.
Regards
Nelson

«««««Sorry to other members, but i just realise this circus must be stopped.
Regards
Nelson»»»»»»


You ,and other members that share the same opinion,can talk with forum administration and ERASE me , go ahead.
this is wath i said,the rebellion starts...

[Geo]

Very strange things....
There are persons who put here photos from outside of their machines for promotion and they are the Good members!!!!, and there are other members as me or Morgan or...who show photos from inside the machines and they are the bad members. Why???? because they don't give the schematic of their lrl.
Really very funny.
Dear Nelson etc... we keep this forum with these photos and with the little electronics that we know. You, what are you doing for the forum???, what you gave to it??? please remember me!!

[nelson]

Morgan

Is sad to get discusion to this level, but recognize that if you and Geo had posted real information, nothing of this will happend. I think a few members agree with my opinions and may be other don´t, and i respect each opinions.
I never said that you and geo must leave the forum, i m just saying that all members are welcome to share information and not to keep has a secret project and if is secret, just go and open your own web site and get on buissnes.
I have no personal fight with you and Geo, i m just tired of no sence information to allow development of PD, PDK or LRL. Cooperation and sharing of all members is very important to develop a good detector.
If i sound to you like a har man, just try to get into my shoes and may be you will understand me.

Regards

Nelson

«««««Sorry to other members, but i just realise this circus must be stopped.
Regards
Nelson»»»»»»


You ,and other members that share the same opinion,can talk with forum administration and ERASE me , go ahead.
this is wath i said,the rebellion starts...

[nelson]

Geo
Is hard to do real things with wrong information and smoke curtains, specially if we are hamateurs on MD, but i also know that each man here have their own skills to support a project, so don´t ask for contributions from me because i know that i m not very skilled on desing a pdk or pd, but i also know i can contribute to do good field test and also work hard on antennas design and construction. But if there is no real sharing of circuit, it will be almost imposible for me to study one or more steps about this devices development. What i mean is that if you for example develop a long range detector and then share full schematic, this project can be a much more powerfull machine with members cooperation.
In my case i don´t want to make money selling this devices, but yes i want to find a few treasures in my country and thats it.
I also know that my comments to you and Morgan is like a close door in my nose, but i have nothing to lose if i m telling the thru.

Regards

Nelson



Very strange things....
There are persons who put here photos from outside of their machines for promotion and they are the Good members!!!!, and there are other members as me or Morgan or...who show photos from inside the machines and they are the bad members. Why???? because they don't give the schematic of their lrl.
Really very funny.
Dear Nelson etc... we keep this forum with these photos and with the little electronics that we know. You, what are you doing for the forum???, what you gave to it??? please remember me!!

[Geo]

Geo

I also know that my comments to you and Morgan is like a close door in my nose, but i have nothing to lose if i m telling the thru.

Regards

Nelson

Nelson, what you say is not the true but what you believe.
I gave more info here but "nobody" took them seriously. When i went to Portugal to meet Morgan i had with me a PD, i tried it and worked. I told here that it was only the passive receiver (pcb5) with a tone generator (a lot of schematics here by Esteban) and a very simple oscillator. Also i gave photos from inside the box so everyone had the ability to see how all was connected together, but nobody tried it. Why????, maybe wanted full schematics....
Now i did the same but more simple...., only two photos, little comments and nothing else and you write so many things!!!!!.
Really i don't understand and i Stop here. No reason for debates without results.

Regards

[nelson]

Ok Geo.
No problem, i will not lose my time trying to explain things to earless people. But i know a few members know that i m right and remember we are not real GURUS.
NO MORE COMMETS UNLESS I GET ANOTHER SMOKE CURTAIN, so go ahead with your projects.
Have a nice day
Nelson

Nelson, what you say is not the true but what you believe.
I gave more info here but "nobody" took them seriously. When i went to Portugal to meet Morgan i had with me a PD, i tried it and worked. I told here that it was only the passive receiver (pcb5) with a tone generator (a lot of schematics here by Esteban) and a very simple oscillator. Also i gave photos from inside the box so everyone had the ability to see how all was connected together, but nobody tried it. Why????, maybe wanted full schematics....
Now i did the same but more simple...., only two photos, little comments and nothing else and you write so many things!!!!!.
Really i don't understand and i Stop here. No reason for debates without results.

Regards

[Morgan]

Morgan

Is sad to get discusion to this level, but recognize that if you and Geo had posted real information, nothing of this will happend. I think a few members agree with my opinions and may be other don´t, and i respect each opinions.
I never said that you and geo must leave the forum, i m just saying that all members are welcome to share information and not to keep has a secret project and if is secret, just go and open your own web site and get on buissnes.
I have no personal fight with you and Geo, i m just tired of no sence information to allow development of PD, PDK or LRL. Cooperation and sharing of all members is very important to develop a good detector.
If i sound to you like a har man, just try to get into my shoes and may be you will understand me.

Regards

Nelson

Hello

I realy get good LRL information from forum members like Esteban,Geo and many others,but about a real working Long Range Locator device i get only smoke curtin too,however i spent two years playing with the PDK by Geo and Esteban,i made many tests,chang components,even try more than 20 diferent coils,toroids,ferrites,until the PDK start to locate some little size buried targets. It was a lot of work from my side,and if i want to share the information later its my problem,actualy i´m not interested to give here the modifications,you can call me egoist or pirate,i keep my position to not share more than the PDK-1 project,and my electronics knowledge is very limited,i thing if you spend a few months analizing and modificate your PDK-1,sure you will UPGRADE the circuit and by your umble soul share with the members here,they will thank you for that.
I dont have a real business with PDK-2, from the more than 30 people asking me the LRL i select 10 of them,and actualy give up to build more PDK´s TH´s...
I dont believe that any person here is so crazy to give golden information to others,it take me two years to UPGRADE the circuit to a reasonable level ,the PDK´s that i sold even is not enough money to cover the time i lose with the project.
Nelson,i dont believe if you in my position will share with others what you discover...

Regards

[Geo]

Morgan, look frontward.
I believe that after little time the members will understand.
I wanted to post here a commercial LRL (this time not Mineoro) but who likes a schematic from a bad reverse engineer????
Maybe i will post only the details that some friends gave to me!!!!
Maybe i will need your help


Regards

[WM6]

I wanted to post here a commercial LRL (this time not Mineoro) but who likes a schematic from a bad reverse engineer????



Well, well, Geo, please do not exaggerate. You are very good reverse engineer and good constructor engineer too.

Your reverse schematics are always welcome.

[nelson]

.....Nelson,i dont believe if you in my position will share with others what you discover...


If i get success, you will see i will, because the next step will be to improve the detector in cooperation with all good forum members that are waiting the same has me (full schematics)
This is the same way i like to work on geotech1.com

Regards

Nelson

[humhum]

Big Thanks of Masters Morgan , Geo and Esteban , we learned very lore from them in this forum with real or half schematics and information, but they never give its secret science, because this is correct for they. :rolleyes:

[nelson]

¿..? ¿..? ¿...?.... No comments

Big Thanks of Masters Morgan , Geo and Esteban , we learned very lore from them in this forum with real or half schematics and information, but they never give its secret science, because this is correct for they. :rolleyes:

[okantex]

hello,
is anybody there who is also using zahori ,mini zahori at his field searches or tests.
two year ago , I pin pointed a place with zahori almost from 30 m , it was really giving direction.
last week I tried zahori again , even tried at edge of noise , I could not pinpoint same place.
does zahori need a working vlf station or something else like PDK?
waiting comments ,
maybe you all need a question to loosen this debate. no need for argues...
sometime all of us can became selfish but in genaral aspect .
hope you are all fine.
regards
Okantex

[Morgan]

hello,
is anybody there who is also using zahori ,mini zahori at his field searches or tests.
two year ago , I pin pointed a place with zahori almost from 30 m , it was really giving direction.
last week I tried zahori again , even tried at edge of noise , I could not pinpoint same place.
does zahori need a working vlf station or something else like PDK?
waiting comments ,
maybe you all need a question to loosen this debate. no need for argues...
sometime all of us can became selfish but in genaral aspect .
hope you are all fine.
regards
Okantex

yes,maybe it needs one VHF station to boost the detection.
All LRL´s,PDK,PD,MINEORO,DCH85, they work better if VHF waves are present.
Why this happens ??? good question...

[humhum]

hello,
is anybody there who is also using zahori ,mini zahori at his field searches or tests.
two year ago , I pin pointed a place with zahori almost from 30 m , it was really giving direction.
last week I tried zahori again , even tried at edge of noise , I could not pinpoint same place.
does zahori need a working vlf station or something else like PDK?
waiting comments ,
maybe you all need a question to loosen this debate. no need for argues...
sometime all of us can became selfish but in genaral aspect .
hope you are all fine.
regards
Okantex

Hi Okantex , I am sure that Zahori not need VLF station ,because Zahori works with ..., (VLF station need only of Receiver with Coil) , you need wait summers days when Ions is heavy for it. ;)

Regads.

[J_Player]

Hi Okantex , I am sure that Zahori not need VLF station ,because Zahori works with ..., (VLF station need only of Receiver with Coil) , you need wait summers days when Ions is heavy for it. ;)

Regads.Hi Humhum,
This is the same as I read when I read the zahori thread http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11674
Most people who build the zahori say it does not find treasure.
Esteban says it will find treasure, but I read others who say it will find treasure only if the secret antenna modification is made.

If somebody makes a modification to use the secret antenna for the zahori, then maybe it will need VHF station.
But the zahori that is shown by Esteban is simply a charge detector which detects electric charge at the antenna.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

two year ago , I pin pointed a place with zahori almost from 30 m , it was really giving direction.
last week I tried zahori again , even tried at edge of noise , I could not pinpoint same place.
does zahori need a working vlf station or something else like PDK?
waiting comments ,



Using very strong VLF station you can bust Zahori detection in vicinity. Strong VLF antennas field generate large amounts of ions (in the same manner as well known house ion generators) and Zahori is ion detector only.

Unfortunately those by VLF antenna generated ions has nothing to do with possible noble metals ions in soil. So, there is no way to improve Zahori functionality using VLF stations.

Your 30m phenomenon of Zahori detecting is easy to explain with weather conditions and air streams. As example: in dry hot weather there are a lot of ions in air, at the same time there are every more or less sensible air flow carrying those ions around.

If your target was in counter direction of those air stream, you will sense intensified signal from your ion detector (Zahori) in those direction.

When airflow change his direction, "detecting phenomenon" is gone. Your phenomenon was pure natural coincidence. Nothing as real detection of buried target.

[J_Player]

Using very strong VLF station you can bust Zahori detection in vicinity. Strong VLF antennas field generate large amounts of ions (in the same manner as well known house ion generators) and Zahori is ion detector only.

Unfortunately those by VLF antenna generated ions has nothing to do with possible noble metals ions in soil. So, there is no way to improve Zahori functionality using VLF stations.

Your 30m phenomenon of Zahori detecting is easy to explain with weather conditions and air streams. As example: in dry hot weather there are a lot of ions in air, at the same time there are every more or less sensible air flow carrying those ions around.

If your target was in counter direction of those air stream, you will sense intensified signal from your ion detector (Zahori) in those direction.

When airflow change his direction, "detecting phenomenon" is gone. Your phenomenon was pure natural coincidence. Nothing as real detection of buried target.Hi WM6,
Also, remember Ivconic says he can detect 50 Hz broadcast from power wires in walls, and from distant power wires above the ground.
And he detects charge from CRT screen at long range.
Very mysterious.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[WM6]

Hi WM6,
Also, remember Ivconic says he can detect 50 Hz broadcast from power wires in walls, and from distant power wires above the ground.
And he detects charge from CRT screen at long range.
Very mysterious.
Best wishes, :)
J_P

Why mysterious J_P?

All electric fields generate ions in surrounding air.

Changing (alternating) electric fields can push and pull ions to ion detector (Zahori) sensor. So you can sense 50Hz broadcast in vicinity of mains installations.

CRTs has high voltage of several thousands Volts and huge electric field around CRT (existing even hours after CRT was OFF) which produce a big amount of ions easy detectable meters away.

I think all so called "Zahori phenomenon" are easy explainable.

[J_Player]

Why mysterious J_P?

All electric fields generate ions in surrounding air.

Changing (alternating) electric fields can push and pull ions to ion detector (Zahori) sensor. So you can sense 50Hz broadcast in vicinity of mains installations.

CRTs has high voltage of several thousands Volts and huge electric field around CRT (existing even hours after CRT was OFF) which produce a big amount of ions easy detectable meters away.

I think all so called "Zahori phenomenon" are easy explainable.Hi WM6,
Maybe the mystery is solved.
Maybe Zahori also detects a change in electric field as well as ions.
I think if we put the zahori into a vacuum where there is no gas to make ions, then still it will detect an electric field which changes in the vacuum space.
As an example, if we have 50 hz power cable on a satellite in space vacuum, then I think Zahori can detect the 50 Hz from a distance, even when there is not any ions in the vacuum near the Zahori.
Or, if we make a static electric field in space vacuum by charging a sphere, we should be able to detect this charge using motion detection, even when there are no ions in the space vacuum.

But it is not necessary to send the Zahori to space to make tests.
We can put the zahori in a glass vacuum chamber, then test to see if it detects charged things from the vacuum where there are no ions to contact the zahori antenna.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[humhum]

[QUOTE=WM6;144085]

Example: in dry hot weather there are a lot of ions in air, at the same time there are every more or less sensible air flow carrying those ions around.

This is real.

[humhum]

Hi Humhum,
This is the same as I read when I read the zahori thread http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11674
Most people who build the zahori say it does not find treasure.
Esteban says it will find treasure, but I read others who say it will find treasure only if the secret antenna modification is made.

If somebody makes a modification to use the secret antenna for the zahori, then maybe it will need VHF station.
But the zahori that is shown by Esteban is simply a charge detector which detects electric charge at the antenna.
Best wishes,
J_P

Dear J_Player, With Telescopic Antenna maybe need of VLF waves(if adjust of ...) , but with my modification not need VHF waves.

[WM6]

As an example, if we have 50 hz power cable on a satellite in space vacuum, then I think Zahori can detect the 50 Hz from a distance, even when there is not any ions in the vacuum near the Zahori.



Agree, apart from (static or dynamic) electric fields, power line works at the same time as power ULF antenna too, which transmit/broadcast at 50Hz and at many of its harmonics too.

If static charge detector work at the same time as some sort of EM wave receiver (and we can agree that it essential works in such manner too) then this is second way to receive 50Hz broadcast.

[raff33]

Thats correct,I GAVE THEM THE PDK SCHEMATIC !!! but nobody believe that is a working LRL schematic...

Thanks Geo

Hi morgan
can you point me where find THE PDK SCHEMATIC please :help:

[Dedevil]

Hi Humhum,
This is the same as I read when I read the zahori thread http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11674
Most people who build the zahori say it does not find treasure.
Esteban says it will find treasure, but I read others who say it will find treasure only if the secret antenna modification is made.

If somebody makes a modification to use the secret antenna for the zahori, then maybe it will need VHF station.
But the zahori that is shown by Esteban is simply a charge detector which detects electric charge at the antenna.

Best wishes,
J_P

If you send me one of your fallen out grey hairs in a vacume sealed jar i'll tell you the secret modification.

Only joking!

The mod is simple if you think of the circuit as a electrification "charge" detector.
Forget about ions for a moment and just think of charges of electrification.

Pending on what you want to detect that is positive or negative charges with you as a reference point.

I suggest using two (2 )detectors in the same unit. 1st is for -ve and 2nd is for +ve.


These can both be compared with the charge on the area where the user's body is located away from the other charges.

**note** The charge in the area where the user's body is, is not the charge of the user's body, but the matter around the user's body. It is common practice to place the detection circuit in a metal faraday shield box to stop the user's body capacitance and charge from interfering with measurement.

The secret modification isn't so secret at all as Esteban did disclose his modification but at the time Esteban's idea's where being bashed by those who told us all, that their ideas were the best and that PI & DD Coils ruled the sales department, which although sold heaps of detectors had very little success in making the buyers rich. No wonder Dave J is jumping back to the LRL forum to spy.

The mod Esteban was talking about was ????

TO BE CONTINUED!

[Dedevil]

It was a Teflon sleave used as electric field insulator. If you look at the triboelectic scale any of the lower substances will do i.e. Teflon, Silicon or ebonite.
Teflon is often used in bicycle brake cables as it has a very low friction coefficent and Ebonite is used to make lawn bowls.

Here's a link to another detector that sounds rather good. It detects electrication charges and Rf.
http://pe2bz.philpem.me.uk/Comm01/-%20-%20Ion-Photon-RF/-%20-%20Static-Ion/E-106-ElectrostaticGradiometer/grado.html

The other thing i would like in a all in one detector is a gamma ray detector. If a normal transitor is reversed biased just enough so that it sits on the dropoff it will act as a gamma detector. Combined with a 400-600volt supply the effect of a single electron can be heard hitting the pn junction. Just like a pin diode only cheaper. If this is placed in a metal can it will show direction.
rgds

[Funfinder]

Hello

I realy get good LRL information from forum members like Esteban,Geo and many others,but about a real working Long Range Locator device i get only smoke curtin too,however i spent two years playing with the PDK by Geo and Esteban,i made many tests,chang components,even try more than 20 diferent coils,toroids,ferrites,until the PDK start to locate some little size buried targets. It was a lot of work from my side,and if i want to share the information later its my problem,actualy i´m not interested to give here the modifications,you can call me egoist or pirate,i keep my position to not share more than the PDK-1 project,and my electronics knowledge is very limited,i thing if you spend a few months analizing and modificate your PDK-1,sure you will UPGRADE the circuit and by your umble soul share with the members here,they will thank you for that.
I dont have a real business with PDK-2, from the more than 30 people asking me the LRL i select 10 of them,and actualy give up to build more PDK´s TH´s...
I dont believe that any person here is so crazy to give golden information to others,it take me two years to UPGRADE the circuit to a reasonable level ,the PDK´s that i sold even is not enough money to cover the time i lose with the project.
Nelson,i dont believe if you in my position will share with others what you discover...

Regards


What a nasty chewing-gum this LRL stuff is at all?!

I was absolutly right to ignore this forum for a whole year now because here is not the smallest advance!


Our "We Have Working LRL"-Gurus are covered and hiding in mystery instead of providing helpful info.

This is certainly the greed of gold-fever, but be warned, it can drive you insane if your mentality does not have the strengh to deal with the trouble gold, wealth, luxury and all this kinda stuff can give ya.

"I wanna have all the fortune to myself" or in other words "I wanna be the only one that has a superfantastic long range gold-detector and nobody else shall have it!"



I think its absolutly unfair first making people hopes as here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143882&postcount=86

and after a few weeks changing completly his own mind and starting some kind of childish "rebellion" or what it should be instead of visiting Carl and prove there the PDK 2 or 3 as real working!



btw usuallly this works in our civilisation a little bit different:

If somebody makes an interesting discovery or creates a real working and useful invention sooner or later the industry will provide the people with this new technique. If all those experimentors and tech-freaks would have kept all their ideas and works just for themselves we never could use the internet today!

And personally I think those LRLs from Morgan and Geo are no big deal anyway otherwise they would have been visited by some secret service agents since a long time ago! :lol:

At least Morgan now has (or he just thinks he has) a working LRL so the wasted 10.000 Euro for the in Portugal not working Mineoro finally has been satisfied. Too bad the calibration is that complicated that even the most perfect how to built and pcb and manual and whatever describtion nobody would lead to a functioning LRL. Unbelievable sad such news - all the work and research over many years are for nothing...

Especially now because those bad TV stations have stopped their analog VHF broadcasting!
Again unbelievable - this kind of search for culprits!

An engineer should know from the start on what kind of technic or frequency his stuff works and this whole LRL experimentation is completly without solid ground or logical theory.


How long everybody still has to wait for a clear YES or NO ?

And does the info of the "Inside the metal detector" book leads to clear and provable answer concerning LRLs?
If not, I won't buy it! Because I'm so tired about whats going on at this topic. Over and over the same stupid stuff.



The only positive about the whole stupid LRL topic is that it has something about a treasure-hunt. Finding the right track, checking out if the info only is a fairytale or how much is true about it, contacting the so called good informed persons and finding out if its true or only bullsh*t what they are talking about, buying the needed tools (just only that a shovel is a bit cheaper than the newest OKM Bionic X4....) and having some fun to solve very hard to solve riddles that take years and years to find out the crucial points or clues.

It reminds me somehow of Oak Island of Nova Scotia and the "money pit" there. Oh yes, some treasure-hunters throw millions of dollars into this pit and spent many many years there - living their dreams of a treasure-hunter!

And isn't this the whole deal that counts? Living your dream? Even if you are running around with a nonworking LRL you are living your dream, as long as you dream strong enough that you're doing the right thing! Like those at Oak Island - just believe hard enough.




01-09-2013 06:25 PMraff33please
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=144028#post144028)
Thats correct,I GAVE THEM THE PDK SCHEMATIC !!! but nobody believe that is a working LRL schematic...

Thanks Geo

Hi morgan
can you point me where find THE PDK SCHEMATIC please :help: 11-08-2012 12:17 PM

Oh, the famous PDK v.1
A very good question raff33
Is this schematic now open source or is it the secret and property of Morgan and Co.? I guess we're talking about the schematic that was posted at some serbian forum.

The first step would be to analyze what this circuit exactly detects at all. It's like building a house, first a good base is needed.


Finally:
I'm neither pro nor contra concerning the technical topic LRL as long as it remains scientifical. Perhaps there are some special fields that are floating around certain ground-anomalies which are detectable but I have absolutly no understanding for all the kind of esoterical and unscientifical hogus-bogus nonsense that also is floating around!

If the members in this forum that are pro-LRL will not have the intention to work professional and on a for everyone understandable and acceptable basis concerning "progress in real long range detection" I will not tolerate them. But I'm not a skeptic that is already full of prejudices against all kind of LRLs. I don't care if dowsing etc. works or not because this may have do with parapsycholgical phenomena, but if we are talking about electronical devices there exists the possibility of finding provable facts!

[Morgan]

What a nasty chewing-gum this LRL stuff is at all?!

I was absolutly right to ignore this forum for a whole year now because here is not the smallest advance!


Our "We Have Working LRL"-Gurus are covered and hiding in mystery instead of providing helpful info.

This is certainly the greed of gold-fever, but be warned, it can drive you insane if your mentality does not have the strengh to deal with the trouble gold, wealth, luxury and all this kinda stuff can give ya.

"I wanna have all the fortune to myself" or in other words "I wanna be the only one that has a superfantastic long range gold-detector and nobody else shall have it!"



I think its absolutly unfair first making people hopes as here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143882&postcount=86

and after a few weeks changing completly his own mind and starting some kind of childish "rebellion" or what it should be instead of visiting Carl and prove there the PDK 2 or 3 as real working!



btw usuallly this works in our civilisation a little bit different:

If somebody makes an interesting discovery or creates a real working and useful invention sooner or later the industry will provide the people with this new technique. If all those experimentors and tech-freaks would have kept all their ideas and works just for themselves we never could use the internet today!

And personally I think those LRLs from Morgan and Geo are no big deal anyway otherwise they would have been visited by some secret service agents since a long time ago! :lol:

At least Morgan now has (or he just thinks he has) a working LRL so the wasted 10.000 Euro for the in Portugal not working Mineoro finally has been satisfied. Too bad the calibration is that complicated that even the most perfect how to built and pcb and manual and whatever describtion nobody would lead to a functioning LRL. Unbelievable sad such news - all the work and research over many years are for nothing...

Especially now because those bad TV stations have stopped their analog VHF broadcasting!
Again unbelievable - this kind of search for culprits!

An engineer should know from the start on what kind of technic or frequency his stuff works and this whole LRL experimentation is completly without solid ground or logical theory.


How long everybody still has to wait for a clear YES or NO ?

And does the info of the "Inside the metal detector" book leads to clear and provable answer concerning LRLs?
If not, I won't buy it! Because I'm so tired about whats going on at this topic. Over and over the same stupid stuff.



The only positive about the whole stupid LRL topic is that it has something about a treasure-hunt. Finding the right track, checking out if the info only is a fairytale or how much is true about it, contacting the so called good informed persons and finding out if its true or only bullsh*t what they are talking about, buying the needed tools (just only that a shovel is a bit cheaper than the newest OKM Bionic X4....) and having some fun to solve very hard to solve riddles that take years and years to find out the crucial points or clues.

It reminds me somehow of Oak Island of Nova Scotia and the "money pit" there. Oh yes, some treasure-hunters throw millions of dollars into this pit and spent many many years there - living their dreams of a treasure-hunter!

And isn't this the whole deal that counts? Living your dream? Even if you are running around with a nonworking LRL you are living your dream, as long as you dream strong enough that you're doing the right thing! Like those at Oak Island - just believe hard enough.





Oh, the famous PDK v.1
A very good question raff33
Is this schematic now open source or is it the secret and property of Morgan and Co.? I guess we're talking about the schematic that was posted at some serbian forum.

The first step would be to analyze what this circuit exactly detects at all. It's like building a house, first a good base is needed.


Finally:
I'm neither pro nor contra concerning the technical topic LRL as long as it remains scientifical. Perhaps there are some special fields that are floating around certain ground-anomalies which are detectable but I have absolutly no understanding for all the kind of esoterical and unscientifical hogus-bogus nonsense that also is floating around!

If the members in this forum that are pro-LRL will not have the intention to work professional and on a for everyone understandable and acceptable basis concerning "progress in real long range detection" I will not tolerate them. But I'm not a skeptic that is already full of prejudices against all kind of LRLs. I don't care if dowsing etc. works or not because this may have do with parapsycholgical phenomena, but if we are talking about electronical devices there exists the possibility of finding provable facts!

Hi Funfinder

nice to see you again
there are a lot of people here waiting for POCKET field test results,maybe you the one who will provide the information,maybe the POCKET work very good in Germany,we will see,I hope yes,becouse Andreas dedicate many years to LRL projects and deserves good news from the clients.
About PDK, its a mix of first Alonso project with many others ideas and finaly two years of my work testing and modificating the circuit and coils until get good results as LRL.


Happy New year

[Morgan]

Hi morgan
can you point me where find THE PDK SCHEMATIC please :help:



Hello


The PDK-1 schematic belong to a few forum members in a secret forum.

But there are other LRL projects for everyone to build,and test, the Zahori,the mini zahori, the BFO zahori,the PD ,etc,this you can find here.
Also there is one book who explain how to build the LRL ToTeM...

Regards

[Funfinder]

Hi Funfinder

nice to see you again
there are a lot of people here waiting for POCKET field test results,maybe you the one who will provide the information,maybe the POCKET work very good in Germany,we will see,I hope yes,becouse Andreas dedicate many years to LRL projects and deserves good news from the clients.
About PDK, its a mix of first Alonso project with many others ideas and finaly two years of my work testing and modificating the circuit and coils until get good results as LRL.


Happy New year

Hi Morgan

also wish ya happy new year and nice you're still active in this forum!

I really respect your improvment work because we mustn't forget
the very expensive Mineoro stuff didn't work in Europe and so it was
not fair to sell it worldwide or to persons who don't know anything
about this. The engineering-work of you and others therefore was
an absolutly groundbreaking development in the right direction,
becauses it helped great to built the fundament for real working
LRL-devices for Europe and of course also America etc.


> Andreas dedicate many years to LRL projects and deserves good news from the clients.

I think Andreas is a pretty fair guy, he even wrote on the website
(see screencap here (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144990&postcount=129)) that he hasn't tested the Gold detection
ability yet - simply because at his so far testsites there wasn't any gold stuff at all.

Personally I will absolutly report really fair and authentic test results
because I don't wanna be responsible if people are buying detectors
that don't work the way it was promoted or described.

We will see what happens this year but I have a good feeling. :)