Dowsing Rod for 2012

[Geo]

Hi.
I will show a new dowsing rod.
This uses a simple signal generator with variable frequency from 3.5 to 70 Hz.
With this you can locate caves, gold, copper etc.
The schematic is very simple (only 2 IC's and one transistor) and you can construct it on the pcb that i will attach here or at a general purpose pcb.
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:):)

[Geo]

The rod abuts at the handle through one bearing.
Onto the antenna a coil (L1) is wound with 280 turns. Wire diameter is 0.15mm.
:)

[jack]

Thanks Geo for this device
Please give the full details of the schematic and device performance.
Frequency for gold and copper, etc.
Merry Christmas Geo;)

[Geo]

Thanks Geo for this device
Please give the full details of the schematic and device performance.
Frequency for gold and copper, etc.
Merry Christmas Geo;)

I will give all the details.
For the moment i try to finish the drawing of pcb...:)

[jack]

I will give all the details.
For the moment i try to finish the drawing of pcb...:)
tank you geo
waiting for you :):)

[J_Player]

The rod abuts at the handle through one bearing.
Onto the antenna a coil (L1) is wound with 280 turns. Wire diameter is 0.15mm.
:)Hi Geo,
This is a very good project that you are posting.
You have shown some excellent photos.
I will watch to see more of your project.

Can you tell where you found the plastic box that you used for this locator?

Thank you for showing a good project for the new year. :)


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
This is a very good project that you are posting.
You have shown some excellent photos.
I will watch to see more of your project.

Can you tell where you found the plastic box that you used for this locator?

Thank you for showing a good project for the new year. :)


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Box was the base of a wireless phone :lol::lol:.
The phone broke so i kept the plastic box....

[Geo]

Here the schematic.
Next days i will try to open the box and to write the pats list

Regards

[jack]

Here the schematic.
Next days i will try to open the box and to write the pats list

Regards
I desire to see the details late last night and the complete schematic of this device, I was awake but did not succeed to see full details:lol::lol::lol:
Geo Please give the details about the schematic and parts list, and pcb and frequency performance metallic.

[Geo]

I desire to see the details late last night and the complete schematic of this device, I was awake but did not succeed to see full details:lol::lol::lol:
Geo Please give the details about the schematic and parts list, and pcb and frequency performance metallic.

It is a dowsing LRL.
So you must experiment with it and with the better frequences for you.
My friends who tried it, found it very good.

[jack]

It is a dowsing LRL.
So you must experiment with it and with the better frequences for you.
My friends who tried it, found it very good.
tanks geo
ok.I'm testing different frequencies
If you put a new metal in the soil can be detected or only for old metal?
What metal reacts when a diagnosis?
Please give a list of components and circuit layout and advised how to use this device?

[mesy64]

Excellent Geo
Please give complete information about this device

[Fred]

Strange device Geo! I suppose ic1 is 555 and ic2 is 4017 ?

But, most important, what is it for, and how does it perfoms ? Because lately i found you splited personalities, and forget about your electronic engineer one . I suppose dowsing effects are pretty dangerous...
You know, making a pulse at some frequency, them dividing it doens´t make much sense to me...

:D

[J_Player]

Strange device Geo! I suppose ic1 is 555 and ic2 is 4017 ?

But, most important, what is it for, and how does it perfoms ? Because lately i found you splited personalities, and forget about your electronic engineer one . I suppose dowsing effects are pretty dangerous...
You know, making a pulse at some frequency, them dividing it doens´t make much sense to me...

:DHi Fred,
It appears the 4017 is serving only to insure the output remains at 10% duty cycle as you adjust for different frequencies with R6.
I suppose you could re-wire the 4017 with a CO jumper to change to any other duty cycle in 10% increments.
But from what I see in the circuit, it was probably found that 10% duty cycle was good.
I am guessing it was set at a constant 10% to prevent the duty cycle from changing from maybe 1% to 99% if you adjust R6 through a large range of frequencies.

Depending on the impedance of L1-C5, it appears this is probably a low power oscillator.
I am thinking the radiated power will change as the frequency is changed.
I wonder where the other parts in the box connect?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Strange device Geo! I suppose ic1 is 555 and ic2 is 4017 ?

But, most important, what is it for, and how does it perfoms ? Because lately i found you splited personalities, and forget about your electronic engineer one . I suppose dowsing effects are pretty dangerous...
You know, making a pulse at some frequency, them dividing it doens´t make much sense to me...

:D

Hi Fred.
It is a simple device, a dowsing rod with help of a generator.
I wanted a 10... 20 % duty cycle, so the 4017 was ok. Problem begun when i tried to make the generator to work at frequences from 3 to 70Hz. I had some problems with 555 at this range so i designed it to work from 28 to 680Hz and to divide by 10. Very simple and not strange. As J-P wrote IC's are 555 and 4017. Output from 4017 is going to a transistor for amplification and after it to antenna (Rod) via L1. If anyone know to work rods then this is a very good project. With this i can locate easy caves, gold, copper and Al.
I did not tried silver yet.

Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi Fred,
It appears the 4017 is serving only to insure the output remains at 10% duty cycle as you adjust for different frequencies with R6.
I suppose you could re-wire the 4017 with a CO jumper to change to any other duty cycle in 10% increments.
But from what I see in the circuit, it was probably found that 10% duty cycle was good.
I am guessing it was set at a constant 10% to prevent the duty cycle from changing from maybe 1% to 99% if you adjust R6 through a large range of frequencies.

Depending on the impedance of L1-C5, it appears this is probably a low power oscillator.
I am thinking the radiated power will change as the frequency is changed.
I wonder where the other parts in the box connect?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
Yes, it is a low power device
I did not measure the radiated power but i believe that it is not stable with the frequency.

Regards:)

[Geo]

Here is the pcb....

[jack]

Thank you, Geo
Please give a list and description of parts and machine work. And how to build windings?
It can make clear to the radius and depth?
The metals in the soil under the Sense?
What is the reaction of the metal Sense?
The coil is wrapped around the telescoping antenna?
What is the size of the telescopic antenna?

[teknoloji]

Why do you waste of time to no avail.
LRL to do the project, why not a serious breakthrough.
Why not migrate to the review of the basic rules.
With this circuit can not detect anything.
in the cave with the empty bar and magnetic detection or water line breaks do not need to start .
a transmitter circuit. Where the recipient.?,
How do you understand how to turn back to 70Hz sent ok ...?
rod returned the left returned the right.? rod, the same reaction just do.
I think the discussion on real project

Regards

[jack]

Thank you, Geo
Please give a list and description of parts and machine work. And how to build windings?
It can make clear to the radius and depth?
The metals in the soil under the Sense?
What is the reaction of the metal Sense?
The coil is wrapped around the telescoping antenna?
What is the size of the telescopic antenna?
I put in attachmentpcb in sprin layout ;);)

[J_Player]

Why do you waste of time to no avail.
LRL to do the project, why not a serious breakthrough.
Why not migrate to the review of the basic rules.
With this circuit can not detect anything.
in the cave with the empty bar and magnetic detection or water line breaks do not need to start .
a transmitter circuit. Where the recipient.?,
How do you understand how to turn back to 70Hz sent ok ...?
rod returned the left returned the right.? rod, the same reaction just do.
I think the discussion on real project

RegardsHi teknoloji,
This circuit is not designed to be a detector.
It is designed only to produce an adjustable frequency from 3 to 70 Hz only.
It does not detect anything.

This was made for people who want to use dowsing to locate buried metals.
The designer of this circuit says he can locate gold, copper and aluminum if he dowses for the metals when this transmitter is turned on.

For me, I have never seen any success for dowsing when a transmitter is turned on or when a transmitter is not used.
So I do not use my time to build this transmitter.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Yes, it is a low power device
I did not measure the radiated power but i believe that it is not stable with the frequency.

Regards:)Hi Geo,

I am wondering what the brass and steel part on the outside of the box are for (see image below).
What is their purpose in this transmitter? Also, how are they connected in the circuit?

Other questions:
1. How is this transmitter used?
2. Does the transmitter connect to dowsing rods or to a ground probe?
3. Is the transmitter held in the hand, or is it placed at a distance from the dowser?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Why do you waste of time to no avail.
LRL to do the project, why not a serious breakthrough.
Why not migrate to the review of the basic rules.
With this circuit can not detect anything.
in the cave with the empty bar and magnetic detection or water line breaks do not need to start .
a transmitter circuit. Where the recipient.?,
How do you understand how to turn back to 70Hz sent ok ...?
rod returned the left returned the right.? rod, the same reaction just do.
I think the discussion on real project

Regards

This is a free project.
If you don't know to use a Lrod then let it.
Also if this is waste of your time then read something other project. This is not for you.

Regards

[Geo]

Thank you, Geo
Please give a list and description of parts and machine work. And how to build windings?
It can make clear to the radius and depth?
The metals in the soil under the Sense?
What is the reaction of the metal Sense?
The coil is wrapped around the telescoping antenna?
What is the size of the telescopic antenna?

About winding i wrote at begining.... you must wind 280turns onto the antenna as at photos. I put a paper onto antenna and after it i wound 280 turns on one layer with wire 0.15 mm diameter. That is all:).
Antenna is 80 cm long.

Regards

[Geo]

Part list from my schematic

R1=1K
R2=4k7
R3=10k
R4=10K
R5=1k2 ... 1k5
R6=100K potentiometer
C2=220nF
C3=12nF
C5=100uF/16V
D1=Led
Q1=BC547B
IC1= CD4017
IC2=LM555
G1=9v battery

:):)

[jack]

About winding i wrote at begining.... you must wind 280turns onto the antenna as at photos. I put a paper onto antenna and after it i wound 280 turns on one layer with wire 0.15 mm diameter. That is all:).
Antenna is 80 cm long.

Regards
tank you very much dear geo
Please answer my other questions about this device
1.please give a list and description of parts and machine work?
2.To what depth and distance can detect metals?
3.When it detects that the metal reacts?
4.I also recognize that new metal?Or is the only metals that traditionally defines the soil?
tank you
best wish for you in new year:)
jack

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

I am wondering what the brass and steel part on the outside of the box are for (see image below).
What is their purpose in this transmitter? Also, how are they connected in the circuit?

Other questions:
1. How is this transmitter used?
2. Does the transmitter connect to dowsing rods or to a ground probe?
3. Is the transmitter held in the hand, or is it placed at a distance from the dowser?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
1. You turn the swich to on and the transmitter works.
2.Transmiter is connected to antenna via the L1.
3.Transmitter is inside the plastic box. You don't keep nothing, only the handle of rod.

Tommorrow i willl try to draw a schematic of how all are connected.

Regards:)

[teknoloji]

Hi Geo,

I am wondering what the brass and steel part on the outside of the box are for (see image below).
What is their purpose in this transmitter? Also, how are they connected in the circuit?

Other questions:
1. How is this transmitter used?
2. Does the transmitter connect to dowsing rods or to a ground probe?
3. Is the transmitter held in the hand, or is it placed at a distance from the dowser?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Agree with your opinion.
This put a handle is missing.
http://www.okyaybilardo.com.tr/files/Image/langrt%20sap.jpg

[teknoloji]

This is a free project.
If you don't know to use a Lrod then let it.
Also if this is waste of your time then read something other project. This is not for you.

Regards
of course you allow.
I have wasted time to spend alone in labor.

Regards

[Fred]

I see,
I found it strange because i would have used this kind of circuit...

[Geo]

If we wanted a fixed frequency with a fixed duty cycle then only one 555 as astable was ok.
But i had problem at range from 3 to 70 Hz with fixed duty cycle. A very cheap IC was the solution.

Regards

[kostas87]

Hello everyone ... Merry Christmas ..! hi geo! :)
who worked on specific lrl a cave, you should pass directly above to react rod, with the appropriate settings for this!
GREETINGS ..

[Geo]

Hello everyone ... Merry Christmas ..! hi geo! :)
who worked on specific lrl a cave, you should pass directly above to react rod, with the appropriate settings for this!
GREETINGS ..


Hi Kosta.
Χρονια πολλα.
You tried this LRL. It is not for everyone, they must know about dowsing so to work with it.

Regards:)

[jack]

hi geo
Please reply to post number26
waiting for your answer
with respect

[Fred]

If we wanted a fixed frequency with a fixed duty cycle then only one 555 as astable was ok.
But i had problem at range from 3 to 70 Hz with fixed duty cycle. A very cheap IC was the solution.

Regards
Of course, but this is just an idea : You just need to install a pot in place of the 784k resistor, and you have a variable frequency. Then another pot in place of the 6.k8 resistor, and you have variable duty cycle (pulse) length. And the 555 is able to drain or source 300ma .
And voilá ! two pots , 2 leds on the 555 output , one for pulse length, and one for off state, just what you need to make it look good, and with enough controls to make it with many possible combinations and discrimination to olives .

Best regards Geo

:)

[Geo]

Of course, but this is just an idea : You just need to install a pot in place of the 784k resistor, and you have a variable frequency. Then another pot in place of the 6.k8 resistor, and you have variable duty cycle (pulse) length. And the 555 is able to drain or source 300ma .
And voilá ! two pots , 2 leds on the 555 output , one for pulse length, and one for off state, just what you need to make it look good, and with enough controls to make it with many possible combinations and discrimination to olives .

Best regards Geo

:)

Yesssss:lol:

Regards:)

[Geo]

tank you very much dear geo
Please answer my other questions about this device
1.please give a list and description of parts and machine work?
2.To what depth and distance can detect metals?
3.When it detects that the metal reacts?
4.I also recognize that new metal?Or is the only metals that traditionally defines the soil?
tank you
best wish for you in new year:)
jack


Hi Jack.
This is a LRod. You must know dowsing so to work with this. What this mean, that if you are a good dowser then you can detect either fresh and buried metals. Depth is bigger than what you can dig. Detecting distance.... i don't know but i believe to be more than 30m. If you are not a dowser then don't construct it, you need time to learn it

Regards:)

[Geo]

Here a schema of the electronic rod:).

[jack]

When the LED light in this device?

The brass has a connection with you?

Sense how the metal reacts when the device is detected?

[Geo]

another schema....

[Geo]

When the LED light in this device?

The brass has a connection with you?

Sense how the metal reacts when the device is detected?


The brass base and stainless shaft, connected to the antenna.
You can put the led at every place you like!!!
When you detect a metal then the rod turns....
But i will tell again, if you don't know how a Lrod works, then stop the project.

Regards

[jack]

Thank you, Geo
After the brass rod through brass handle is in contact with the operator?same lrls
The schematic is attached to a brass rod bearing and the bearing to handle bronze.When I go step by step, because all Elements (rice sticks - Bearings - The Bronze) The telescopic antenna is connected to each other and are connected to the operator.
Is that true?

[Geo]

Thank you, Geo
After the brass rod through brass handle is in contact with the operator?same lrls


Yes.:)

[jack]

image of my Lrod;):)

[Geo]

Jack, very good, congratulations.
I want to see the side to the handle and the bearing

Regards

[jack]

Jack, very good, congratulations.
I want to see the side to the handle and the bearing

Regards
Inevitably dear Geo;)
I have not built yet, and those bearing.I make batches and the ball and I'll show you tomorrow:)
You must handle is made ​​of bronze?Or any other conductive metal can I use?
Like copper or stainless steel or brass?
with respect dear geo

[jack]

the end my project.photos for you:):););)

[jack]

Hi Geo
I will make the device work.
I've tested it, but it does not work:frown:
How do I test this device please help?

[WM6]

Hi Geo
I will make the device work.
I've tested it, but it does not work:frown:
How do I test this device please help?

This is (electronic) dowsing rod.

To put dowsing rod "to work", you need to be a dowser.

No one dowsing rod is working separate by switch ON and without elementary role of dowser.

[jack]

This is (electronic) dowsing rod.

To put dowsing rod "to work", you need to be a dowser.

No one dowsing rod is working separate by switch ON and without elementary role of dowser.
I got a hunk of copper buried under the soil. But the device did not show any reaction.
What do you mean the dowser?
Please define for me the dowser?

[WM6]

What do you mean the dowser?
Please define for me the dowser?



Dowser is treasure (or water, oil etc.) hunter with special extra-sensory perception capabilities. Or according others: "extended sensory perception" capabilities.

Dowsing rod (no matter of wood, metal or electronic) will work only in hands of extra-sensory perception individual (medium).

If you are not such extra-sensory perception medium by nature or trained, no one dowsing rod (even high computerised) will work for you.

You can read more here:

http://www.faust.com/index.php/legend/dowsing/

[Fred]

What do you mean the dowser?
Please define for me the dowser?

= Illusionist ( or magician, if you are in a good mood )

[jack]

Dowser is treasure (or water, oil etc.) hunter with special extra-sensory perception capabilities. Or according others: "extended sensory perception" capabilities.

Dowsing rod (no matter of wood, metal or electronic) will work only in hands of extra-sensory perception individual (medium).

If you are not such extra-sensory perception medium by nature or trained, no one dowsing rod (even high computerised) will work for you.

You can read more here:

http://www.faust.com/index.php/legend/dowsing/
You mean is: I can not get buried by the metal and I find the buried metal and must be old?

[WM6]

You mean is: I can not get buried by the metal and I find the buried metal and must be old?

You do not need to be old. To be young dowser is fine.

[jack]

You do not need to be old. To be young dowser is fine.
I mean the old and new metal.The operator was not

The device can also find new metal?

Or is only found in old metals

[sakis1]

the end my project.photos for you:):););)



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[MIJ]

Keep it up boys!

I’m really enjoying this WM6 and Jack show.

I’m sure you will get there in the end Jack?

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi dear Geo,

i am a dowser...
i built your device ...
please tell us which frequency we can detect gold , silver , copper and cave ?

did you test it for detect metals ?

i am waiting for your answer... :cool:

[jack]

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tank you
Why this way?
Please answer the question of image?

[teknoloji]

Hi Geo
I will make the device work.
I've tested it, but it does not work:frown:
How do I test this device please help?

I'm sorry, but this project does not work. I said from the beginning.
This is a transmitter, the receiver who then how you are.? If you run your hand to be a powerful transmitter.
effort, while a pity. : (Just stick your hand to get the same thing.
ilisyonis enough hands. for special people. If we want to do first before you have to choose a system that is running the bar.
1 - Static.
2 - bioenergy.
3 - the magnetic field.
4 - The electromagnetic field.
5 -?
6 -?

a system for remote sensing should be determined before.

Regards.

[jack]

Geo Where are you?
Please answer our questions:frown:
It really does not work?:frown:
How we test these devices to ensure that we find work?
Please answer our questions:frown:

[Qiaozhi]

It really does not work?:frown:
How we test these devices to ensure that we find work?
Have you considered another more obvious reason why you cannot detect any treasure with this dowsing contraption?
Could it be that the basic concept is flawed, and it simply can never work? :oh:

[Mike(Mont)]

Sounds like you need some help here. First off, dowsing ability is not required. Yes, a person needs to develop some sensitivity to their own body response, but that is not dowsing. Dowsing is mental discrimination and takes many years to learn.

I have never been a fan of hand-held frequency machines. It is all too easy to pick up stray signals. My suggestion is to place the device on the ground or table with the antenna pointing upwards. Now get one or two L-rods and walk around the device about ten feet away and try to detect the signal line between the transmitter and the target. Some people say to start with a visible target (at least twenty feet away from the transmitter) and just go through the motions of allowing the L-rods to cross when you cross the signal line. Pay attention to any body response you feel. After a few times with the visible target then try to find a hidden target. Start with a small search area, maybe only ten feet by ten feet until you start to have some success. Then move up to a larger area maybe twenty feet by twenty feet. Mark the lines where you got a response. Don't spend too much time on each search. After five minutes stop the search and see where you went right and where you went wrong. This is going to take a few weeks of daily practice before you are ready to go out into the field. Sometimes you are not going to be able to find the target, so don't get frustrated if you fail. Don't try too hard and don't fixate on the rods. Be aware of your body response. If you practice, it will come to you. If you have a handheld transistor AM radio, tune it to an empty channel and hold it near the antenna. You shoulkd be able to hear the tone that is being transmitted. If not, your device is faulty.

[WM6]

Dowsing is mental discrimination and takes many years to learn.

Mark the lines where you got a response.



So you are mental discriminator and lines marketeer?

[kahyal]

unfortunately all this devices are unemployed.
all only talks , but nix show a system practicable.
unfortunately

[teknoloji]

Bioenergy is a long time to become familiar with.
If the teacher, but this is very easy to understand on your own, or as many years.
This is another issue. I suggest you measure your own energy from the first month, 1 ~15.
I suggest you to work in those days the next month. One clue.;)

Regards

[iron1944]

LongRangeLocator forum members happy and healthy new year
I wish the days.
In 2012, this forum gurus, electronic engineers and experienced members:
WM6
GEO
J-P
MORGAN
MAX
FRED
SEDEN
G-Sani
Contributed to the year 2012:
Omni-directional electronic Dowsing Rod
-DCH85
Pistol-Tesla detector
-5 KHz VLF receiver passive detector
Schematic of this circuit, how to built Waiting circuit.
I wish you all good luck in the new year.
Yours Sincerely

[ionios]

I like also this Pistol-Tesla detector.
are you going to give us some informations?
Thank you.

[Qiaozhi]

Sounds like you need some help here. First off, dowsing ability is not required. Yes, a person needs to develop some sensitivity to their own body response, but that is not dowsing. Dowsing is mental discrimination and takes many years to learn.
Luckily, real metal detectors do not require years of practice and self delusion ... and they can actually find buried treasure!! ... unlike a couple of bent coat hangers. :rolleyes:

I have never been a fan of hand-held frequency machines.
Only sellers of these scam devices are fans. Everyone else is just being ripped off, and conned into buying an "enhanced" dowsing rod. This might be ok if dowsing could be used to detect anything other than gravity.

It is all too easy to pick up stray signals.
And what stray signals could you be referring to? A passing wallet, ripe for mining perhaps?

My suggestion is to place the device on the ground or table with the antenna pointing upwards. ----- Blah, blah blah! ----- You shoulkd be able to hear the tone that is being transmitted. If not, your device is faulty.
Yup - the device is faulty alright! :lol:

And by the way - Happy New Year. ;)

[jack]

tank you
Why this way?
Please answer the question of image?
please answer this post(59)

[Fred]

please answer this post(59)

Don´t worry about details, if it works or not is all in your head, so anything will work.
Even a wooden stick would work...
Oh , oops, it has already been done ??!
:D

[Mike(Mont)]

Q, you are spreading misinformation and LRL's and about metal detectors.

The very first time I took an LRL out to a city park, the very first place I made a pinpoint, I found gold within 18 inches of the spot.

Now how about metal detectors for finding gold? I bought a gold detector and never found any gold with it. I already knew how to metal detect and bought two books on nugget hunting. I went to an area where gold nuggets had been found. I'm not the only one this has happened to. And I won't mention about two-box --%$*@-- deleted.

I have a hard time believing that you don't know this.

[Qiaozhi]

Q, you are spreading misinformation and LRL's and about metal detectors.
On the contrary - it is the purveyors of so-called enhanced dowsing rods that are spreading misinformation. It is well known that dowsing is totally useless for finding objects, unless you already know where they are hidden. Also, I have not been spreading LRLs ... or was that a typo in your post?

The very first time I took an LRL out to a city park, the very first place I made a pinpoint, I found gold within 18 inches of the spot
And I bet you used a metal detector to "pinpoint" the gold. In which case, your next statement is incorrect:

Now how about metal detectors for finding gold? I bought a gold detector and never found any gold with it.
The dowsing rod is just a delusion. It only allows you to "decide" where to use a real metal detector. Simple guessing would yield the same result.

[WM6]

I bought a gold detector and never found any gold with it.



Of course, because you are incompetent.

Prospectors from all the world found tons of gold - practical all with metal detectors and no one single piece with LRL like mineoro scam boxes.

[Geo]

Hi all.

i will try to answer slowly slowly...:lol:

For Jack and everyone who constructed the rod.

Before make any tests, must check if the generator works.
So a oscilloscope or a frequencycounter is needed. Output of 555 gives a signal with frequency about 30....700Hz. The output of 4017 gives a signal with frequency 3...70Hz about and duty cycle 10%. With a frequency meter you can check it.

If generator is ok then you can begin to play with dowsing...

Good luck:):)

[Geo]

I mean the old and new metal.The operator was not

The device can also find new metal?

Or is only found in old metals


If you will learn to work with it then you will have the ability to detect fresh and old metals.

[Geo]

Hi dear Geo,

i am a dowser...
i built your device ...
please tell us which frequency we can detect gold , silver , copper and cave ?

did you test it for detect metals ?

i am waiting for your answer... :cool:

Hi.
You must "play" with the potentiometer.
For me, i locate gold at 33...34Hz, caves at 10...12 hz, Al at 70hz etc.
If you are a dowser then it is very easy, play with the potentiometer near a known metal and you will find the frequencies, then mark them and Good Luck:)

[Geo]

I'm sorry, but this project does not work. I said from the beginning.
This is a transmitter, the receiver who then how you are.? If you run your hand to be a powerful transmitter.
effort, while a pity. : (Just stick your hand to get the same thing.
ilisyonis enough hands. for special people. If we want to do first before you have to choose a system that is running the bar.
1 - Static.
2 - bioenergy.
3 - the magnetic field.
4 - The electromagnetic field.
5 -?
6 -?

a system for remote sensing should be determined before.

Regards.

If you know about dowsing then you know where is the receiver:lol:.
Receiver is the dowsing man, this is the reason that i kept the duty cycle low (10%).
But if you are not a dowsing man then as i wrote many times this project is not for you.

[Geo]

Have you considered another more obvious reason why you cannot detect any treasure with this dowsing contraption?
Could it be that the basic concept is flawed, and it simply can never work? :oh:


Hi Qiaozhi.
For another time you have Wrong:cool:

Regards

[Geo]

please answer this post(59)


For me no reason to change the place of handle

[sakis1]

tank you
Why this way?
Please answer the question of image?

are better for functionality in this device, test, the cables remain as <schematic>


best wishes for the future

[J_Player]

Some basic principles of dowsing
(This works for dowsing with a stick, or with electronic MFD dowsing):

1. Dowsing works.
Anybody can dowse.
Simply take dowsing rods in your hands and walk around and watch for when the rods cross together or do not cross together.
Or watch for when the rod points to various different directions.
Then you have accomplished dowsing.

2. Dowsing is successful for finding buried treasures only for some people.
The people who are successful at dowsing do not tell lies.
They really are successful.

3. A successful dowser will find success only when nobody else is watching them, or when other successful dowsers are watching.
If a person who is not successful with dowsing is watching, then the dowsing ability will stop working for the successful dowsers.

4. A successful dowser will not be successful if a person is watching who does not believe they are successful.
If you set up a test for them to find which of the 10 plates you hide the gold or silver coin under, they will not find the correct plate better than guessing.
This is part of #3 principle where they will lose their dowsing power when a person who is not successful with dowsing is watching.

5. A successful dowser will always pass a dowsing test, maybe 100% success if nobody else is watching.

So what to say?
Dowsing works.
Really.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

Some basic principles of fairy tales
(This works for fariy tales from movies, or from story books):

1. Fairy tales are real.
Anybody can believe fairy tales.
Simply read or listen to the fairy tale and imagine the adventure and fun.
Or watch the fairy tale at the movies and see the adventure and the special effects.
Then you have seen the miracle performance of the fairy tale.

2. Fairy tales work for finding miracles only for some people.
The people who see miracles and magical performances do not tell lies.
They really do see these things.

3. Fairy tale believers will be able to show the miracles they see only when nobody else is watching them, or when other fairy tale believers are watching.
If a person who is not a fairy tale believer is watching, then the performance of a miracle will stop working for the fairy tale believers.

4. A fairy tale believer will not be able to show the miracles they see if a person is watching who does not believe in fairy tales.
If you set up a test for them to demonstrate a fairy tale miracle, they will not be able to show the fairy tale miracle.
This is part of #3 principle where they will lose their ability to show fairy tale miracles if a person who does not believe in fairy tales is watching.

5. A fairy tale believer will always be able to demonstrate fairy tale miracles if nobody else is watching.

So what to say?
Fairy tales are really true.
Really.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Geo, if you use the device as a dowsing rod then it is a dowsing device. Dowsing is mental discrimination. What use is the frequency then? If you want to dowse then you don't need the frequency. It is a waste of time.

[Qiaozhi]

Geo, if you use the device as a dowsing rod then it is a dowsing device. Dowsing is mental discrimination. What use is the frequency then? If you want to dowse then you don't need the frequency. It is a waste of time.
Crikey!
I actually agree with one of your statements.
Happy New Year!!

[Geo]

Geo, if you use the device as a dowsing rod then it is a dowsing device. Dowsing is mental discrimination. What use is the frequency then? If you want to dowse then you don't need the frequency. It is a waste of time.

Hi Mike.
If you don't know how to keep the Lrod or how it wiil "show" you the object then you can't work with it. This is the reason who i say that you must know dowsing so to work with it.
No reason to give here a project that don't work.
I don't sell lrls:).
Regards:)

[Geo]

Crikey!
I actually agree with one of your statements.
Happy New Year!!

Ohh.. Happy New Year our sceptic :)

[Qiaozhi]

Ohh.. Happy New Year our sceptic :)
:D :D :D :D :D

[Geo]

Some basic principles of fairy tales
(This works for fariy tales from movies, or from story books):

1. Fairy tales are real.
Anybody can believe fairy tales.
Simply read or listen to the fairy tale and imagine the adventure and fun.
Or watch the fairy tale at the movies and see the adventure and the special effects.
Then you have seen the miracle performance of the fairy tale.

2. Fairy tales work for finding miracles only for some people.
The people who see miracles and magical performances do not tell lies.
They really do see these things.

3. Fairy tale believers will be able to show the miracles they see only when nobody else is watching them, or when other fairy tale believers are watching.
If a person who is not a fairy tale believer is watching, then the performance of a miracle will stop working for the fairy tale believers.

4. A fairy tale believer will not be able to show the miracles they see if a person is watching who does not believe in fairy tales.
If you set up a test for them to demonstrate a fairy tale miracle, they will not be able to show the fairy tale miracle.
This is part of #3 principle where they will lose their ability to show fairy tale miracles if a person who does not believe in fairy tales is watching.

5. A fairy tale believer will always be able to demonstrate fairy tale miracles if nobody else is watching.

So what to say?
Fairy tales are really true.
Really.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
Very strange..... you have the same ideas that i had 10 years ago.
Maybe after 10 years you to believe what i say today...:lol:

Happy New Year:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Very strange..... you have the same ideas that i had 10 years ago.
Maybe after 10 years you to believe what i say today...:lol:

Happy New Year:)Many years ago I did believe that fairy tales are true stories.
But then after I went to school and learned things, I changed my thinking....

I no longer believe that Santa Clause came through my chimney to bring Christmas presents.
I do not believe the tooth fairy puts a coin under the pillow for people who sleep after they loose a tooth.
And I do not believe the Tinkerbell fairy flies among gold ions that float in the air.

But maybe if I travel back in time and forget about what I learned from education, I can believe again....
Then I can be like Mike(Mont), and all my wishes will become true. :D
... Except not his wish that skeptics and ordinary people who are not skeptics will believe his fairy tales... that is not a wish that will become true.
Only other fairy tale believers will believe his stories are true.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7306&d=1229420706



Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Fred]

We are not many, but we are funny.

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi all.

i will try to answer slowly slowly...:lol:

For Jack and everyone who constructed the rod.

Before make any tests, must check if the generator works.
So a oscilloscope or a frequencycounter is needed. Output of 555 gives a signal with frequency about 30....700Hz. The output of 4017 gives a signal with frequency 3...70Hz about and duty cycle 10%. With a frequency meter you can check it.

If generator is ok then you can begin to play with dowsing...

Good luck:):)

Thanks dear Geo,
i make another device like your device, but i detect gold by 5000Hz frequency...
which is correct?

and about duty cycle:
you say your device duty cycle is 10%,
you don't think that duty cycle for example 50% is better and give us stronger signal for detect more distance objects ?

[Geo]

Thanks dear Geo,
i make another device like your device, but i detect gold by 5000Hz frequency...
which is correct?

and about duty cycle:
you say your device duty cycle is 10%,
you don't think that duty cycle for example 50% is better and give us stronger signal for detect more distance objects ?

Hi.
I don't know what is happening with 5Khz at my Lrod, i wrote what i have and the frequences that i work with it. Now about duty cycle.... i wanted to have more time for receiving, especially for "low sensitive" dowsers.

Regards:)

[Mike(Mont)]

A couple of observations here. FIrst off, Geo you have a lot to learn. I do not think you know dowsing or LRL enough to expalin it to non-users. What you are talkiing about is simply rod control. That's important and it is necessary for both dowsing and LRL, but like I said, dowsing is mental discrimination. LRL is physical discrimination.

I guess I can see what you are gettng at--someone who cannot use a locator in the first place will likely not get it right on the first build. I can certainly see that if the balance is not correct, that device you built will not work very well, possibly not at all. That's one reason I suggest to use it as a stationary transmitter and walk around it with L-rods to find the signal line to the target. That is why I have been saying (and I guess you are saying the same thing) a person should buy a low-priced unit and learn to use it before doing any experimentation. Vernell Electronics sells one for $285. That's going to remove a lot of the doubt and the likeliness of faulty construction on a do-it-yourself project. Again I will say by placing the transmitter on the ground and walking around it with L-rods, you are going to get a lot more accuracy than any handheld device.

[jack]

Geo Please help me to test this device.Frequency of 30-700 kHz at the output of my machine produces 555.
Now I get to test this device?

[Geo]

Geo Please help me to test this device.Frequency of 30-700 kHz at the output of my machine produces 555.
Now I get to test this device?

Very good.
Now you must check the output of 4017 and BC547 so to have 3...70 Hz.
:)

[Geo]

A couple of observations here. FIrst off, Geo you have a lot to learn. I do not think you know dowsing or LRL enough to expalin it to non-users. What you are talkiing about is simply rod control. That's important and it is necessary for both dowsing and LRL, but like I said, dowsing is mental discrimination. LRL is physical discrimination.

I guess I can see what you are gettng at--someone who cannot use a locator in the first place will likely not get it right on the first build. I can certainly see that if the balance is not correct, that device you built will not work very well, possibly not at all. That's one reason I suggest to use it as a stationary transmitter and walk around it with L-rods to find the signal line to the target. That is why I have been saying (and I guess you are saying the same thing) a person should buy a low-priced unit and learn to use it before doing any experimentation. Vernell Electronics sells one for $285. That's going to remove a lot of the doubt and the likeliness of faulty construction on a do-it-yourself project. Again I will say by placing the transmitter on the ground and walking around it with L-rods, you are going to get a lot more accuracy than any handheld device.

It is not easy for someone who don't know dowsing to keep the Lrod very stable and balanced when he walk. He need long time to learn it, this is the reason that i say "if he is not a dowser to let it".
This Lrod is more easy and simple than a generator who gives the signal in the ground via 2 electrodes, and ofcourse is very cheap. Who is better ..... this is another story or we can see it at another thread.

[jack]

Very good.
Now you must check the output of 4017 and BC547 so to have 3...70 Hz.
:)
I'm in my Geo 3 IC 4017 and the collector base 547 between 30-70 Hz frequency.
Now I try to test the practicality of this device؟
tank you dear geo:)

[Geo]

I'm in my Geo 3 IC 4017 and the collector base 547 between 30-70 Hz frequency.
Now I try to test the practicality of this device؟
tank you dear geo:)

Very good.
It is better to buried a piece of copper or Al and let it there for 1...2 months. Or if you know a place with buried objects then it is more better. Walk slowly slowly with the Lrod balanced (the antenna must be at horizontal position), and change the potentiometer until antenna turns to the object position. When you will make it, dig and take out the buried object and mark the position of potentiometer. At this position you will locate only metals same with that you found in the ground...

Good Luck:)

[jack]

tank you dear geo
Please answer the questions raised in the image?

[kostas87]

Hi Kosta.
Χρονια πολλα.
You tried this LRL. It is not for everyone, they must know about dowsing so to work with it.

Regards:)


Are you saying I'm not good dowsing!χεχεχε..!! : Razz:

καλη χρονια γιωργο, να εισαι παντα καλα!!!

[WM6]

tank you dear geo
Please answer the questions raised in the image?

Hi jack,

why you do not use this Tesla's patent in reverse mean?

[jack]

Hi jack,

why you do not use this Tesla's patent in reverse mean?
hi dear wm6
What is this circuit?

[Geo]

Are you saying I'm not good dowsing!χεχεχε..!! : Razz:

καλη χρονια γιωργο, να εισαι παντα καλα!!!

Kalh Xronia.
Θα τα πουμε συντομα.

Regards:)

[Geo]

tank you dear geo
Please answer the questions raised in the image?

At my prototype the hand is connected to antenna via handle and bearings, there is not insulalation.

[indiana jones]

Here's my latest project for a friend . A telephone generator.
Can work signal boosted by the amplifier, or simply as dowsing.

The amplified signal comes in a transformer and comes in antenna numbers 2 and 3.
Simple signal go to antenna 1.

3 antennas can move left or right and give us sound.
When found target.


http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8044/dfdfwg.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/dfdfwg.png/)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7709/img0740xm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/233/img0740xm.jpg/)

[teknoloji]

Some basic principles of dowsing
(This works for dowsing with a stick, or with electronic MFD dowsing):

1. Dowsing works.
Anybody can dowse.
Simply take dowsing rods in your hands and walk around and watch for when the rods cross together or do not cross together.
Or watch for when the rod points to various different directions.
Then you have accomplished dowsing.

2. Dowsing is successful for finding buried treasures only for some people.
The people who are successful at dowsing do not tell lies.
They really are successful.

3. A successful dowser will find success only when nobody else is watching them, or when other successful dowsers are watching.
If a person who is not successful with dowsing is watching, then the dowsing ability will stop working for the successful dowsers.

4. A successful dowser will not be successful if a person is watching who does not believe they are successful.
If you set up a test for them to find which of the 10 plates you hide the gold or silver coin under, they will not find the correct plate better than guessing.
This is part of #3 principle where they will lose their dowsing power when a person who is not successful with dowsing is watching.

5. A successful dowser will always pass a dowsing test, maybe 100% success if nobody else is watching.

So what to say?
Dowsing works.
Really.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

I completely agree with you.
belong on this dimension with the relevant people to recognize him.

Regards

[apogonos]

Hi.
I will show a new dowsing rod.
This uses a simple signal generator with variable frequency from 3.5 to 70 Hz.
With this you can locate caves, gold, copper etc.
The schematic is very simple (only 2 IC's and one transistor) and you can construct it on the pcb that i will attach here or at a general purpose pcb.
continued...
:):)

Geo happy new year to you,
very nice rod, it would not have a Frequency Counter on the rod?

[Geo]

Geo happy new year to you,
very nice rod, it would not have a Frequency Counter on the rod?

Hi Takis:)
Happy New Year, kalh xronia poy leme:lol:
If you see carefully the box, you will see 2 small bronze pins (from upper side). These pins are for frequency measuring


Regards

[jack]

hi dear geo
Can the 4017 output of an amplifier more powerful than the metals used to Sense?
Can you design a circuit that will alarm when the metal was Sense?

[Geo]

Hi Jack.
I can't understand your first question:???:

[jack]

Hi Jack.
I can't understand your first question:???:
:);)
Is it possible that the output IC for Better Sense of metals was further strengthened?(Using a more powerful signal booster?)
Can you design a circuit that will alarm when the metal was Sense?

[apogonos]

Hi.
I will show a new dowsing rod.
This uses a simple signal generator with variable frequency from 3.5 to 70 Hz.
With this you can locate caves, gold, copper etc.
The schematic is very simple (only 2 IC's and one transistor) and you can construct it on the pcb that i will attach here or at a general purpose pcb.
continued...
:):)

Hi Takis:)
Happy New Year, kalh xronia poy leme:lol:
If you see carefully the box, you will see 2 small bronze pins (from upper side). These pins are for frequency measuring


Regards

I think I put a Frequency Counter, from ebay : http://www.ebay.com/itm/9999Hz-LED-Digital-Frequency-Hertz-Panel-Meter-Counter-/230573447789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35af3f9a6d

[Geo]

About your first question.... No reason for more power. When you will "learn" it you will understand me:).
About second question.... i work on it with good results for begining, but i will not give it out:(.

Regards

[Geo]

I think I put a Frequency Counter, from ebay : http://www.ebay.com/itm/9999Hz-LED-Digital-Frequency-Hertz-Panel-Meter-Counter-/230573447789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35af3f9a6d

If you construct it then you can put a counter at 555 output.
I don't need it because i marked the potentiometer knob:lol:

[apogonos]

σωστό ;)

[jack]

About your first question.... No reason for more power. When you will "learn" it you will understand me:).
About second question.... i work on it with good results for begining, but i will not give it out:(.

Regards
Geo's
I did not get the answer to Question 2;)

[goldfinder]

If you construct it then you can put a counter at 555 output.
I don't need it because i marked the potentiometer knob:lol:

If you are relying on the 555 to stay on frequency then you are operating without exact frequencies.

The 555 use capacitors and a resitor to control the frequency. The capacitors change values slightly in different temperatures which results in frequency drift. You need to periodically check the frequency as the tuning will drift all over for the original setting. This is especially true in warmer weather. So if your electronic dowsing is dependent on an accurate stable frequency 555s are NOT the answer.:nono:

I have done hundreds of tests in the field and quit using 555s for and kind of stable frequency generator. I use a PIC microcontroller to generate frequencies and they are extremely stable.:)
Goldfinder

[Geo]

If you are relying on the 555 to stay on frequency then you are operating without exact frequencies.

The 555 use capacitors and a resitor to control the frequency. The capacitors change values slightly in different temperatures which results in frequency drift. You need to periodically check the frequency as the tuning will drift all over for the original setting. This is especially true in warmer weather. So if your electronic dowsing is dependent on an accurate stable frequency 555s are NOT the answer.:nono:

I have done hundreds of tests in the field and quit using 555s for and kind of stable frequency generator. I use a PIC microcontroller to generate frequencies and they are extremely stable.:)
Goldfinder

This is the reason that i have Test Points at the 555 output

[Geo]

Geo's
I did not get the answer to Question 2;)

Read #114:)

[jack]

One way to balance lrod ;)

[WM6]

One way to balance lrod ;)



Brilliant jack.

Now we only need to balance Earth.

[epitopios]

Hello Geo and a Happy New Year from here too , and to all (and not) LRLs
is this something like that :
http://i.imgur.com/0yoEK.jpg
or like this :
http://i.imgur.com/f8gHS.jpg
very good in Targets , You are right to insist !!!
and good luck to....everybody.
friendly , epitopios

[Geo]

Hello Geo and a Happy New Year from here too , and to all (and not) LRLs
is this something like that :
http://i.imgur.com/0yoEK.jpg
or like this :
http://i.imgur.com/f8gHS.jpg
very good in Targets , You are right to insist !!!
and good luck to....everybody.
friendly , epitopios

Hi Panos.
Nothing is same with photos. I put here all schematic, pcb and photos, nothing secret:lol:.

Regards:)

[iron1944]

Dear G-Sani
Longrangelocators forum schematic drawing to show for the eletronic Dowsing Rod promised.
Waiting.
Yours sincerely.

[usta]

good job geo, very nice!!

[Geo]

good job geo, very nice!!

Thank you:)

[Dedevil]

This looks very good GEO. Are you able to discriminate between copper and gold with it?

regards
DeDevil

[Geo]

This looks very good GEO. Are you able to discriminate between copper and gold with it?

regards
DeDevil

Yes (at a degree) if you play with the frequency potentiometer
:)

[iron1944]

Master, Mr. Geo.
-The LED is doing what task.?
_Silver And copper What is the frequency?
Yours sincerely.

[Dedevil]

Before i start: to the previous reply: the LED is just to say the unit is switched ON

I dont know if you read on this forum my comment under passive devices;

It's under passive stuff although it is electronic so i will change the thread to here (if you dont mind GEO)

My tread under passive read;

Thought this was an interesting science find.
I have an underground stream in the backyard, and just like a lot of other people, I can divine it with L RODS. I find this very simple to explain in that my body has a charge and the underground stream has a charge, like two plates of a charged capacitor. And the L rods point in the direction of the path of least resistance towards the charge of the stream in an attempt to break through the dielectric air and discharge. When I walk over the stream the rods swing and cross over each other because the path of least resistance is directly below me. Sounds like a very simple scientific explanation to me, it’s not rocket science just static charge!
But, as I was playing around with my divining rods I decided to try out a new type of divining wand. While thinking about what I was doing, I thought the two L rod method uses the charge of my body through to the rods to give direction, so why can’t I just use one rod. It works for Harry Potter! and he found millions.
So I thought of combining a spring into the design and went to the shed and after ½ hr I had a spring loaded wand/piece of wire thing. It was made of 3-4mm plain fencing wire, had a length/handle to fit into my hand then 15 turns on 20mm dia then straight out another 60 cm.
So I sat around 60 meters from the underground creek and just like L rods the spring wand gave nudges towards the path of least resistance to the creek. I then started counting “1 meter” “2 meters” “5 meters”, etc, and at 60 meters the end of the spring started bopping up and down.
As bizarre as this sounds the spring wand was accurate to the meter, the next question was why?
So I used a process of elimination. The creeks charge wasn’t changing. The air and soil that acted as a dielectric wasn’t changing. So the change in charge must be coming from me. The only thing that I could think of was the charge that causes the muscles in my heart to move. And guess what, the bopping of the wand at 60 meters was at the same rate as my heart beat. It’s my guess that the differences in charge between myself and the creek combined with a slightly more change caused by my heartbeat were producing a reflected static wave from the creek at the same rate as my heartbeat and causing the spring wand to bop up and down. If you think it’s crazy and bizarre TRY IT!
Regards to all.
END

So i'm thinking of building: Two capacitive plates

If you take (from GEO's circuit) the 555 timer via a transistor (to charge it up) to a plate, and then from that plate take a coil type diving wand. It should if pulsed correctly, point or give nudges towards the path of least resistance in the local gravitational field/ path of least resistance.

regards to all

[g-sani]

Dear G-Sani
Longrangelocators forum schematic drawing to show for the eletronic Dowsing Rod promised.
Waiting.
Yours sincerely.

You comfuse me whith somebody else I am afraid.

[goldfinder]

Before i start: to the previous reply: the LED is just to say the unit is switched ON

I dont know if you read on this forum my comment under passive devices;

It's under passive stuff although it is electronic so i will change the thread to here (if you dont mind GEO)

My tread under passive read;

Thought this was an interesting science find.
I have an underground stream in the backyard, and just like a lot of other people, I can divine it with L RODS. I find this very simple to explain in that my body has a charge and the underground stream has a charge, like two plates of a charged capacitor. And the L rods point in the direction of the path of least resistance towards the charge of the stream in an attempt to break through the dielectric air and discharge. When I walk over the stream the rods swing and cross over each other because the path of least resistance is directly below me. Sounds like a very simple scientific explanation to me, it’s not rocket science just static charge!
But, as I was playing around with my divining rods I decided to try out a new type of divining wand. While thinking about what I was doing, I thought the two L rod method uses the charge of my body through to the rods to give direction, so why can’t I just use one rod. It works for Harry Potter! and he found millions.
So I thought of combining a spring into the design and went to the shed and after ½ hr I had a spring loaded wand/piece of wire thing. It was made of 3-4mm plain fencing wire, had a length/handle to fit into my hand then 15 turns on 20mm dia then straight out another 60 cm.
So I sat around 60 meters from the underground creek and just like L rods the spring wand gave nudges towards the path of least resistance to the creek. I then started counting “1 meter” “2 meters” “5 meters”, etc, and at 60 meters the end of the spring started bopping up and down.
As bizarre as this sounds the spring wand was accurate to the meter, the next question was why?
So I used a process of elimination. The creeks charge wasn’t changing. The air and soil that acted as a dielectric wasn’t changing. So the change in charge must be coming from me. The only thing that I could think of was the charge that causes the muscles in my heart to move. And guess what, the bopping of the wand at 60 meters was at the same rate as my heart beat. It’s my guess that the differences in charge between myself and the creek combined with a slightly more change caused by my heartbeat were producing a reflected static wave from the creek at the same rate as my heartbeat and causing the spring wand to bop up and down. If you think it’s crazy and bizarre TRY IT!
Regards to all.
END

So i'm thinking of building: Two capacitive plates

If you take (from GEO's circuit) the 555 timer via a transistor (to charge it up) to a plate, and then from that plate take a coil type diving wand. It should if pulsed correctly, point or give nudges towards the path of least resistance in the local gravitational field/ path of least resistance.

regards to all

I saw that spring thing demoed by a dowser from long ago. Back in the 1950s or 1960s. Nice way to do dowsing. You might even find it on the net. This stuff never goes away.
Goldfinder

[Dedevil]

I found a site with a photo of the type of coil that i made http://www.adermark.com/dowsing_rods/dowsing_rods.php?session=&productid=728&priceid=1&pcategoryname=&psubcategoryid=197 although i did not put a weight on the end or a wooden handle.
And yes this knowledge has been around for a very very long time. There is a rock painting 20,000-30,000 years old in Western Australia showing this.
You can detect extremly long distances using this method.
I think my idea combined with geo's 555 circuit may be a basic start for this type of detection. This will allow some experimentation by members to calculate the distance to the target object. The second stage would be to add a discriminator to the circuit, but to do this i think we need to know more about the triboelectric effect of static electricity.

regards to all

[Dedevil]

I think that this new type of detection could be thought of LOCAL GRAVITION RADAR.

regards to all

[Dedevil]

I just thought that some members may be getting confused with the purpose of the coil in the wand. The coil is NOT ELECTRONIC it is there as a MECHANICAL SPRING. Think of it like this; OPPOSITE CHARGES ATTRACT (++++<<<------). And the charge of your body goes though the coil wand and the coil allows the end point of the wand to move (in a mechanical way) towards the opposite charge of the underground creek, because of static attraction

regards to all

[WM6]

And the charge of your body goes though the coil wand and the coil allows the end point of the wand to move (in a mechanical way) towards the opposite charge of the underground creek, because of static attraction

regards to all

How do you know those charges? Did you measure something?

As long as you are in contact with ground (except you are flying during dowsing) your body got the same charge as ground you are staying on. All near underground charges (except Earth magma) are of the same charges as covering ground too. This is measurable, so nothing of your theory.

To put your theory to work you need to fly with your dowsing rods.

[goldfinder]

I found a site with a photo of the type of coil that i made http://www.adermark.com/dowsing_rods/dowsing_rods.php?session=&productid=728&priceid=1&pcategoryname=&psubcategoryid=197 although i did not put a weight on the end or a wooden handle.
And yes this knowledge has been around for a very very long time. There is a rock painting 20,000-30,000 years old in Western Australia showing this.
You can detect extremly long distances using this method.
I think my idea combined with geo's 555 circuit may be a basic start for this type of detection. This will allow some experimentation by members to calculate the distance to the target object. The second stage would be to add a discriminator to the circuit, but to do this i think we need to know more about the triboelectric effect of static electricity.

regards to all

That is the one, the aura spring. A friend of mine made one with spring from the hardware store clamped into a large paper clip. Also a weight on the other end of spring. It worked fine for him and lot cheaper than aura spring.
Goldfinder

[Geo]

Master, Mr. Geo.
-The LED is doing what task.?
_Silver And copper What is the frequency?
Yours sincerely.

Led is only for turn-On state:)

[Dedevil]

That is the one, the aura spring. A friend of mine made one with spring from the hardware store clamped into a large paper clip. Also a weight on the other end of spring. It worked fine for him and lot cheaper than aura spring.
Goldfinder

I made this from plain fencing wire like coat hanger wire.

[Geo]

I just thought that some members may be getting confused with the purpose of the coil in the wand. The coil is NOT ELECTRONIC it is there as a MECHANICAL SPRING. Think of it like this; OPPOSITE CHARGES ATTRACT (++++<<<------). And the charge of your body goes though the coil wand and the coil allows the end point of the wand to move (in a mechanical way) towards the opposite charge of the underground creek, because of static attraction

regards to all

Hi.
All these (coils, springs, generators etc) are help for the bad or medium dowsers.
A good dowser don't need them. Two LRods are enough, but good or very good dowsers are very few.....

Regards:)

[Dedevil]

Hi.
All these (coils, springs, generators etc) are help for the bad or medium dowsers.
A good dowser don't need them. Two LRods are enough, but good or very good dowsers are very few.....

Regards:)

Yes i agree, although i am more interested in the science of WHY and HOW a dowsers rod moves. I am a good dowser and have found items in thick jungle 6 kilometers away with pinpoint accuracy. So i think it's a very good LRL. Something must cause the rods to move. (local static gravity, i think) Also the discrimination is excellent, so i think it's an interesting hobbie topic. Your 555 circuit gave me some good ideas that i will work on. I am thinking of a metal plate with the coil rod attached. (for a type of meter) Then charge up the plate via a van de graaff generator. Then add in your 555 circuit to pulse the plate. For safety reasons i'm thinking of setting the frequency to 10Hz. I think if all goes well the coil will swing like a meter towards the path of least resistance in the local soil

regards to all

[Dedevil]

How do you know those charges? Did you measure something?

As long as you are in contact with ground (except you are flying during dowsing) your body got the same charge as ground you are staying on. All near underground charges (except Earth magma) are of the same charges as covering ground too. This is measurable, so nothing of your theory.

To put your theory to work you need to fly with your dowsing rods.

Yes i know those charges. I used to surf as a sport. The surf wave is caused by the moons gravitational static pull on the earth and you can measure it by how big the waves are.( A natural meter) When i did this divining yes, i was flying so to speak. I was on a wooden isolated deck. But it still works when you are on the ground, you become a type of part or component of the gravitational static force. If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS.

[WM6]

Yes i know those charges. I used to surf as a sport. The surf wave is caused by the moons gravitational static pull on the earth and you can measure it by how big the waves are.( A natural meter) When i did this divining yes, i was flying so to speak. I was on a wooden isolated deck. But it still works when you are on the ground, you become a type of part or component of the gravitational static force. If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS.

You convinced me. I must agree, at the Full Moon all Gold is walking around and you can collect it with your dowsing rod.

[J_Player]

Yes i know those charges. I used to surf as a sport. The surf wave is caused by the moons gravitational static pull on the earth and you can measure it by how big the waves are.( A natural meter) When i did this divining yes, i was flying so to speak. I was on a wooden isolated deck. But it still works when you are on the ground, you become a type of part or component of the gravitational static force. If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS.For the moment, let us dismiss some skeptic notions such as "trick of the mind", and examine forces which may be involved with the movement of the dowsing rods.
To begin, we can assume the dowsing rods are two L shaped rods which are held inside two tubes that allow the rods to swing from side to side when there is some force to cause them to swing.
And we also assume you hold these two tubes in your two hands.
Also, we assume the rods are held so they are slightly tilted down at the front... pointing downward maybe 10-15 degree angle.
We know that L-rods can be made from steel or from non-ferrous metals.
For this discussion, let us assume that brass rods are being used which are about 18" long from the tubes that hold them, and they weigh about 23 grams each.

We also assume you are walking outdoors where you look for something buried.
And we assume you are walking either on the ground, or some structure that is resting on or buried in the ground.

So, what forces are acting on the rod that could cause it to move?

Let's start with direct forces first:
1. Mechanical forces from muscles in the hands and arms of the dowser.
2. Force of gravity acting on the rod.

Then there are some indirect forces which could act on the rod:
1. Neurological electric signals within the dowser that cause muscles to apply forces to the rods.
2. Variations in the gravitational field strength and direction that could concievably happen over time or distances which the dowser may walk.

Then there are some third order indirect forces which could act on the rod:
I am talking about Ideas which may enter the consciousness or the subconscious thoughts of the dowser.
While an idea is not a physical force, an idea can cause physical consequences.
What kind of ideas?
Ideas such as...
"I wonder if it is buried over there"? or
"buried nuggets are always found at this part of a stream bed" or
"the force of the full moon puts me in the mood to look over here" or
"that dude who buried the treasure for me to find is looking nervous now that I have walked over here ... maybe I should start digging"...

The result of this kind of idea could cause a chain reaction which results in the dowser's muscles to cause the rods to move without him being aware that his muscles caused them to move.
This is quite an amazing feat, but I have seen evidence that some dowsers can accomplish it.

But what about other theories, such as "mass attracts mass" and the increased attraction caused by the increased mass of a buried object is what makes a dowsing rod move?
The increased mass theory does not work because it has two fatal errors that I can think of:
1. Some of the dowsed materials have the exact same density as the earth they are buried in.
For example, suppose a dowser was looking for a buried ancient pottery worth a fortune, that was made from the same clay that it is buried in.
The pottery weighs the exact same as the soil, so there is no difference in mass of the pottery or mass of the earth that it displaces.
2. If there is a difference in mass for a buried treasure such as golda gold coin (5 times heavier than average soil), then this difference in mass is no where near large enough to impose a significant force on a dowsing rod.

As an example, start with the formula for the force of gravity between any two objects:

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

Let's presume we are trying to locate a large gold coin that weighs 23 gms, buried 10 cm deep, and the brass rod also weighs 23 gms.
And suppose we are very close to where the coin is buried, standing less than a meter away from it.
The increased gravitational attraction because of our proximity to the coin calculates to 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force.
This is the best conditon to find the gold coin, when it is nearly under your feet, yet the force is less than 2 trillionths of a gram.

Suppose there is a gravitational anomlay at the location where the gold is buried which causes the gravitational force on the gold coin to be double... then we have a force of 3.2 trillionths of a gram acting between the gold and the rod.

Could 3.2 trillionths of a gram force cause the rod to swing?
Or is it more likely the dowser's muscles caused the axis of the rod to move so the gravitational force from the earth (Up to 1 gm force) moved the rod?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

For the moment, let us dismiss some skeptic notions such as "trick of the mind", and examine forces which may be involved with the movement of the dowsing rods.
To begin, we can assume the dowsing rods are two L shaped rods which are held inside two tubes that allow the rods to swing from side to side when there is some force to cause them to swing.
And we also assume you hold these two tubes in your two hands.
Also, we assume the rods are held so they are slightly tilted down at the front... pointing downward maybe 10-15 degree angle.
We know that L-rods can be made from steel or from non-ferrous metals.
For this discussion, let us assume that brass rods are being used which are about 18" long from the tubes that hold them, and they weigh about 23 grams each.

We also assume you are walking outdoors where you look for something buried.
And we assume you are walking either on the ground, or some structure that is resting on or buried in the ground.

So, what forces are acting on the rod that could cause it to move?

Let's start with direct forces first:
1. Mechanical forces from muscles in the hands and arms of the dowser.When dowsing the movement of your muscles is more towards trying to keep the rods apart this is where the sensitivity of the dowser starts
2. Force of gravity acting on the rod.

Then there are some indirect forces which could act on the rod:
1. Neurological electric signals within the dowser that cause muscles to apply forces to the rods. YES! But this has more to do with the discrimination of dowsing (just like GEO’S 4017 in his circuit,and at the moment I just want to start with the basics, a charged object and a 555 pulse.
2. Variations in the gravitational field strength and direction that could concievably happen over time or distances which the dowser may walk. Yes it rains and water flows.

Then there are some third order indirect forces which could act on the rod:
I am talking about Ideas which may enter the consciousness or the subconscious thoughts of the dowser.
While an idea is not a physical force, an idea can cause physical consequences.
What kind of ideas?
Ideas such as...
"I wonder if it is buried over there"? or
"buried nuggets are always found at this part of a stream bed" or
"the force of the full moon puts me in the mood to look over here" or
"that dude who buried the treasure for me to find is looking nervous now that I have walked over here ... maybe I should start digging"...

The result of this kind of idea could cause a chain reaction which results in the dowser's muscles to cause the rods to move without him being aware that his muscles caused them to move. NO
This is quite an amazing feat, but I have seen evidence that some dowsers can accomplish it.

But what about other theories, such as "mass attracts mass" and the increased attraction caused by the increased mass of a buried object is what makes a dowsing rod move?
The increased mass theory does not work because it has two fatal errors that I can think of:
1. Some of the dowsed materials have the exact same density as the earth they are buried in.
For example, suppose a dowser was looking for a buried ancient pottery worth a fortune, that was made from the same clay that it is buried in.
The pottery weighs the exact same as the soil, so there is no difference in mass of the pottery or mass of the earth that it displaces.
2. If there is a difference in mass for a buried treasure such as golda gold coin (5 times heavier than average soil), then this difference in mass is no where near large enough to impose a significant force on a dowsing rod. YES But an underground stream can impose a huge force on the rod. So I am trying to start with the basics. Then latter on I think as the “electronic divining device” becomes better in operation and theory of understanding I think the sensitivity can be adjusted to find a gold coin. Just like adding the 4017 to the 555 in Geo’s circuit.

As an example, start with the formula for the force of gravity between any two objects:

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r Ha! You have the wrong formula! Yes Big G is used to describe universal gravitation, but I am not talking about planetary motion, more so, INNER planetary motion which uses little g or “g” as it is known as. Back to school for you.

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

Let's presume we are trying to locate a large gold coin that weighs 23 gms, buried 10 cm deep, and the brass rod also weighs 23 gms.
And suppose we are very close to where the coin is buried, standing less than a meter away from it.
The increased gravitational attraction because of our proximity to the coin calculates to 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force.
This is the best conditon to find the gold coin, when it is nearly under your feet, yet the force is less than 2 trillionths of a gram.

Suppose there is a gravitational anomlay at the location where the gold is buried which causes the gravitational force on the gold coin to be double... then we have a force of 3.2 trillionths of a gram acting between the gold and the rod.

Could 3.2 trillionths of a gram force cause the rod to swing?
Or is it more likely the dowser's muscles caused the axis of the rod to move so the gravitational force from the earth (Up to 1 gm force) moved the rod? Again NO. If a dowser uses a forked tree branch fresh and green straight from the tree, and holding it with the arms out and fingers pointing up and in towards the body the force can sometimes be so strong that it will break away the bark of the forked branch from the main wooden stem in an attempt to point down to the path of least resistance. This is definitely NOT caused by muscle movement, you can even tense your hand muscles to try and stop it and it will move.
regards to all

[J_Player]

For the moment, let us dismiss some skeptic notions such as "trick of the mind", and examine forces which may be involved with the movement of the dowsing rods.
To begin, we can assume the dowsing rods are two L shaped rods which are held inside two tubes that allow the rods to swing from side to side when there is some force to cause them to swing.
And we also assume you hold these two tubes in your two hands.
Also, we assume the rods are held so they are slightly tilted down at the front... pointing downward maybe 10-15 degree angle.
We know that L-rods can be made from steel or from non-ferrous metals.
For this discussion, let us assume that brass rods are being used which are about 18" long from the tubes that hold them, and they weigh about 23 grams each.

We also assume you are walking outdoors where you look for something buried.
And we assume you are walking either on the ground, or some structure that is resting on or buried in the ground.

So, what forces are acting on the rod that could cause it to move?

Let's start with direct forces first:
1. Mechanical forces from muscles in the hands and arms of the dowser.When dowsing the movement of your muscles is more towards trying to keep the rods apart this is where the sensitivity of the dowser starts
2. Force of gravity acting on the rod.

Then there are some indirect forces which could act on the rod:
1. Neurological electric signals within the dowser that cause muscles to apply forces to the rods. YES! But this has more to do with the discrimination of dowsing (just like GEO’S 4017 in his circuit,and at the moment I just want to start with the basics, a charged object and a 555 pulse.
2. Variations in the gravitational field strength and direction that could concievably happen over time or distances which the dowser may walk. Yes it rains and water flows.

Then there are some third order indirect forces which could act on the rod:
I am talking about Ideas which may enter the consciousness or the subconscious thoughts of the dowser.
While an idea is not a physical force, an idea can cause physical consequences.
What kind of ideas?
Ideas such as...
"I wonder if it is buried over there"? or
"buried nuggets are always found at this part of a stream bed" or
"the force of the full moon puts me in the mood to look over here" or
"that dude who buried the treasure for me to find is looking nervous now that I have walked over here ... maybe I should start digging"...

The result of this kind of idea could cause a chain reaction which results in the dowser's muscles to cause the rods to move without him being aware that his muscles caused them to move. NO
This is quite an amazing feat, but I have seen evidence that some dowsers can accomplish it.

But what about other theories, such as "mass attracts mass" and the increased attraction caused by the increased mass of a buried object is what makes a dowsing rod move?
The increased mass theory does not work because it has two fatal errors that I can think of:
1. Some of the dowsed materials have the exact same density as the earth they are buried in.
For example, suppose a dowser was looking for a buried ancient pottery worth a fortune, that was made from the same clay that it is buried in.
The pottery weighs the exact same as the soil, so there is no difference in mass of the pottery or mass of the earth that it displaces.
2. If there is a difference in mass for a buried treasure such as golda gold coin (5 times heavier than average soil), then this difference in mass is no where near large enough to impose a significant force on a dowsing rod. YES But an underground stream can impose a huge force on the rod. So I am trying to start with the basics. Then latter on I think as the “electronic divining device” becomes better in operation and theory of understanding I think the sensitivity can be adjusted to find a gold coin. Just like adding the 4017 to the 555 in Geo’s circuit.

As an example, start with the formula for the force of gravity between any two objects:

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r Ha! You have the wrong formula! Yes Big G is used to describe universal gravitation, but I am not talking about planetary motion, more so, INNER planetary motion which uses little g or “g” as it is known as. Back to school for you.

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

Let's presume we are trying to locate a large gold coin that weighs 23 gms, buried 10 cm deep, and the brass rod also weighs 23 gms.
And suppose we are very close to where the coin is buried, standing less than a meter away from it.
The increased gravitational attraction because of our proximity to the coin calculates to 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force.
This is the best conditon to find the gold coin, when it is nearly under your feet, yet the force is less than 2 trillionths of a gram.

Suppose there is a gravitational anomlay at the location where the gold is buried which causes the gravitational force on the gold coin to be double... then we have a force of 3.2 trillionths of a gram acting between the gold and the rod.

Could 3.2 trillionths of a gram force cause the rod to swing?
Or is it more likely the dowser's muscles caused the axis of the rod to move so the gravitational force from the earth (Up to 1 gm force) moved the rod? Again NO. If a dowser uses a forked tree branch fresh and green straight from the tree, and holding it with the arms out and fingers pointing up and in towards the body the force can sometimes be so strong that it will break away the bark of the forked branch from the main wooden stem in an attempt to point down to the path of least resistance. This is definitely NOT caused by muscle movement, you can even tense your hand muscles to try and stop it and it will move.
regards to allHi Dedevil person,
You posted quite an interesting collection of answers to some concepts relating to well known sciences concerning gravity and the force that muscles can impart on rods that are held in the hands.
What you posted raises some questions that make me wonder where you discovered your information. For example these questions:

Question 1.
How much gravitational force do you think is typically imparted on a 23 gm dowsing rod from a relatively large underground stream?
When I ask this question, I am referring to the difference in the gravitational force that the dowser would feel pulling on the rod when there is no underground stream (23 gms) compared to the presumably greater force that he would feel on the rod when there is a large mass of water underground. An amount of pounds or gms, or Kg force would be good to know, so we can know how strongly the added presence of underground water might typically be felt pulling on the dowsing rod by your reconning.

Question 2.
you claim I have the wrong formula for calculating the gravitational attraction between two objects: F = (G x m1 x m2)/r

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

For a 23 gm gold coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod, I calculated 1.6 trillionths of a gram.

You say this is formula is wrong because you are not talking about planetary motion, and you must use a formula for "INNER planetary motion".
Since you do not feel that I used the correct formula to calculate the gravitational force of attraction between the coin and the rod, then what do you consider the correct formula to calculate the gravitational force of attraction between a 23 gm buried coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod, and what attraction force result do you find from your calculation?

Question 3.
In the example where you claimed the force was strong enough to break the bark away from the main stem of a forked branch, did the bark break away at a place near or within the grip of where the dowser had his hands wrapped around the forked branch?
Or did this force cause the bark to tear loose from otherl parts of the branch away from his hands, and fly through the air toward the location of the underground water or other object that the dowser was searching for?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

I feel as if i have intruded on GEO'S new thread so will branch away. Sorry Geo but your circuit really set me off with heaps of ideas. I will branch away on a new thread so that others can discuss your circuit in detail with you. Thanks again GEO GOOD CIRCUIT!

REGARDS TO ALL

[Fred]

I feel as if i have intruded on GEO'S new thread so will branch away. Sorry Geo but your circuit really set me off with heaps of ideas. I will branch away on a new thread so that others can discuss your circuit in detail with you. Thanks again GEO GOOD CIRCUIT!

REGARDS TO ALL


Duck away ? that reminds me of someone.

[J_Player]

I feel as if i have intruded on GEO'S new thread so will branch away. Sorry Geo but your circuit really set me off with heaps of ideas. I will branch away on a new thread so that others can discuss your circuit in detail with you. Thanks again GEO GOOD CIRCUIT!

REGARDS TO ALLHahahahaaa....
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif

Anyone who studied basic physics knows how to calculate the gravitational force between two objects.
They could not make a mistake to think gravity force of the earth acting on a dowsing rod is the same as gravity force of a coin acting on dowsing rod.

What to do when it becomes apparent you don't know basic physics and are fullo BS?
Maybe it is time to run away?
Yup, that could work...


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

I didnt say i was running away i just thought that GEO may wish to talk futher about his LRL and as i have ideas for something a bit different to his then i thought of starting a new thread so that the two similar, but different LRLs are seperated. I was going to start the thread with the last discussion with J Player. I dont know? I think i will ask GEO what he thinks should happen.

[Dedevil]

While I wait for geo to answer about the new thread idea I will keep going. To start the formula is not wrong. This is the correct formula for Universal gravitation. If I was god and wanted to describe how and why the Sun, Planets and the moons behaved. But little g is a different set of formulas used to describe local gravitational effects on a planets surface. Big G is used to describe gravitational effects between suns, planets, and moons. A bit like Amps and micro or nano amps. The basics are + and – or Le and LA or . and – or yin and yang. There are heaps of possible ways to describe but I will stick with + and – This is the best for Newtonian physics, which has basically stated that the sun is +ve and the earth is –ve. Then you have to look at the earth as a globe, The centre is very –ve and the elements that make up the earth should be in layers if the earth was perfect! It would look like; the heaviest elements on the inside spreading out to the lightest on the outside. Just like a MULTIPLATE CAPACITOR!
I am tired and this description could take a lot of pages, so hopefully it will give your mind something to think about for the moment.
I just thought of a way to check how much force is involved in the movement of the coil spring divining rod. What if I made a spring rod and put it in an isolated vice (so you know it is not my muscle movement) then measured the amount of force it made on a set of scales. What do you think? I’ve seen a similar way used to test safety harnesses that are used for human fall restraint when working high above the ground. I think that it may indicate an amount, but this is not like a universal amount, this is local gravitation and different results will be found from stream to stream. You can see these images via satellites. Have you seen one? They are not high definition.
Also a man came to fix the air conditioner, he had knowledge about a lot of things and told me he tried divining and there is a connection between how green the wood is and how pure the water below is. Another man told me they used to put an old (good metal) coin in their mouth and the taste would indicate how good the water was. I will put this information in a file to do with discrimination for a later date. But for now I think just start with basics.
To answer Q3 The forked branch breaks away at the connection between the bark and the stem which is the weakest link where the sap is, and the bark appears twisted due to forces of your tight hand grip trying to stop the movement (so to answer your question - inside your hand). But I think this is for a highly mineralized below ground stream. The charge that is present is due to 1. The water flow. 2. The water is not pure. 3. The triboelectric effect of the water as it flows through the soil. (movement)- This allows it to build up static charge.
The air conditioner man also told me of another man who is local and was talking about tapping into the power of underground streams to generate electricity. I will try and find him.
Regards to all

[J_Player]

While I wait for geo to answer about the new thread idea I will keep going. To start the formula is not wrong. This is the correct formula for Universal gravitation. If I was god and wanted to describe how and why the Sun, Planets and the moons behaved. But little g is a different set of formulas used to describe local gravitational effects on a planets surface. Big G is used to describe gravitational effects between suns, planets, and moons. A bit like Amps and micro or nano amps. The basics are + and – or Le and LA or . and – or yin and yang. There are heaps of possible ways to describe but I will stick with + and – This is the best for Newtonian physics, which has basically stated that the sun is +ve and the earth is –ve. Then you have to look at the earth as a globe, The centre is very –ve and the elements that make up the earth should be in layers if the earth was perfect! It would look like; the heaviest elements on the inside spreading out to the lightest on the outside. Just like a MULTIPLATE CAPACITOR!
I am tired and this description could take a lot of pages, so hopefully it will give your mind something to think about for the moment.
I just thought of a way to check how much force is involved in the movement of the coil spring divining rod. What if I made a spring rod and put it in an isolated vice (so you know it is not my muscle movement) then measured the amount of force it made on a set of scales. What do you think? I’ve seen a similar way used to test safety harnesses that are used for human fall restraint when working high above the ground. I think that it may indicate an amount, but this is not like a universal amount, this is local gravitation and different results will be found from stream to stream. You can see these images via satellites. Have you seen one? They are not high definition.
Also a man came to fix the air conditioner, he had knowledge about a lot of things and told me he tried divining and there is a connection between how green the wood is and how pure the water below is. Another man told me they used to put an old (good metal) coin in their mouth and the taste would indicate how good the water was. I will put this information in a file to do with discrimination for a later date. But for now I think just start with basics.
To answer Q3 The forked branch breaks away at the connection between the bark and the stem which is the weakest link where the sap is, and the bark appears twisted due to forces of your tight hand grip trying to stop the movement (so to answer your question - inside your hand). But I think this is for a highly mineralized below ground stream. The charge that is present is due to 1. The water flow. 2. The water is not pure. 3. The triboelectric effect of the water as it flows through the soil. (movement)- This allows it to build up static charge.
The air conditioner man also told me of another man who is local and was talking about tapping into the power of underground streams to generate electricity. I will try and find him.
Regards to all Hi Dedevil person,
It appears Geo finished showing showing his dowsing project and answered all questions long ago. If he has more to say, I think he will be quick to post it.

So we can finish to see what your answers are to my questions.
To keep it simple, you can scroll up to read the entire question and background info.
Let's see if you can answer only the questions that I am curious to know the answers to:

Question 1.
How much gravitational force do you think is typically imparted on a 23 gm dowsing rod when you walk over a relatively large underground stream? (Meaning extra force that you feel beyond the normal weight of the brass rod)?
Just a rough figure for the amount of pounds or gms, or Kg force would be good to know by your reconning.

Question 2.
To calculate the gravitational force of attraction between a buried coin and a brass dowsing rod, what formula do you use to find the force?
I know only that you do not use this formula: F = (G x m1 x m2)/r
So what formula do you use?

Question 2. part B:
When you use your formula to make this calculation, what amount of force do you calculate is the force of gravitational attraction between a 23 gm buried coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod?

Question 3. -- You answered this one above. Thank you. :)
Where on the forked branch does the bark break away in your example?
"so to answer your question - inside your hand"


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Hi Dedevil person,
It appears Geo finished showing showing his dowsing project and answered all questions long ago. If he has more to say, I think he will be quick to post it. That is your perception and you should not talk on this forum “as geo” with this perception.

So we can finish to see what your answers are to my questions. ( NO! this is your perception, GEO can finish when he wants to) I do not feel like commenting. I have already commented enough. We now have the world wide web as a data base. If you do not understand something I say RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF! I WOULD NEVER BEND OVER TO PICK UP A CALCULATOR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, when I have already in simple conversation told you WRONG FORMULA! You remind me of admin”Q” who says, now and again, just to get AIR TIME, when his comments are useless and sarcastic.

In stead of asking and or telling me I cant catch fish. SHOW ME YOUR BEST CATCH OF FISH. I HAVE MY OWN BOAT AND AM NOT YOUR DECK HAND.
To keep it simple, you can scroll up to read the entire question and background info.
Let's see if you can answer only the questions that I am curious to know the answers to:

Question 1.
How much gravitational force do you think is typically imparted on a 23 gm dowsing rod when you walk over a relatively large underground stream? (Meaning extra force that you feel beyond the normal weight of the brass rod)?
Just a rough figure for the amount of pounds or gms, or Kg force would be good to know by your reconning.

Question 2.
To calculate the gravitational force of attraction between a buried coin and a brass dowsing rod, what formula do you use to find the force?
I know only that you do not use this formula: F = (G x m1 x m2)/r
So what formula do you use?

Question 2. part B:
When you use your formula to make this calculation, what amount of force do you calculate is the force of gravitational attraction between a 23 gm buried coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod?

Question 3. -- You answered this one above. Thank you.
Where on the forked branch does the bark break away in your example?
"so to answer your question - You must be old and grey.

[Geo]

Hahahaha:lol::lol:.
Don't try to make the easy things... difficult:(.
Noone knows how the dowsing method works. But it is sure that it works.
And don't tell me again about Randi because he don't accept everyone to make his tests:lol::lol:.
He wants to be sure :lol::lol:.

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi Dedevil person,
It appears Geo finished showing showing his dowsing project and answered all questions long ago. If he has more to say, I think he will be quick to post it. That is your perception and you should not talk on this forum “as geo” with this perception.

So we can finish to see what your answers are to my questions. ( NO! this is your perception, GEO can finish when he wants to) I do not feel like commenting. I have already commented enough. We now have the world wide web as a data base. If you do not understand something I say RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF! I WOULD NEVER BEND OVER TO PICK UP A CALCULATOR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, when I have already in simple conversation told you WRONG FORMULA! You remind me of admin”Q” who says, now and again, just to get AIR TIME, when his comments are useless and sarcastic.

In stead of asking and or telling me I cant catch fish. SHOW ME YOUR BEST CATCH OF FISH. I HAVE MY OWN BOAT AND AM NOT YOUR DECK HAND.
To keep it simple, you can scroll up to read the entire question and background info.
Let's see if you can answer only the questions that I am curious to know the answers to:

Question 1.
How much gravitational force do you think is typically imparted on a 23 gm dowsing rod when you walk over a relatively large underground stream? (Meaning extra force that you feel beyond the normal weight of the brass rod)?
Just a rough figure for the amount of pounds or gms, or Kg force would be good to know by your reconning.

Question 2.
To calculate the gravitational force of attraction between a buried coin and a brass dowsing rod, what formula do you use to find the force?
I know only that you do not use this formula: F = (G x m1 x m2)/r
So what formula do you use?

Question 2. part B:
When you use your formula to make this calculation, what amount of force do you calculate is the force of gravitational attraction between a 23 gm buried coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod?

Question 3. -- You answered this one above. Thank you.
Where on the forked branch does the bark break away in your example?
"so to answer your question - You must be old and grey.Hi Dedevil person.
You are wrong.
My perception is that you don't know basic physics that is taught in high schools, and you are propagating false information here in your ignorance -- namely this BS:
"Ha! You have the wrong formula! Yes Big G is used to describe universal gravitation, but I am not talking about planetary motion, more so, INNER planetary motion which uses little g or “g” as it is known as. Back to school for you".
.... which you followed up with this BS:
"The basics are + and – or Le and LA or . and – or yin and yang. There are heaps of possible ways to describe but I will stick with + and – This is the best for Newtonian physics, which has basically stated that the sun is +ve and the earth is –ve. Then you have to look at the earth as a globe, The centre is very –ve and the elements that make up the earth should be in layers if the earth was perfect! It would look like; the heaviest elements on the inside spreading out to the lightest on the outside. Just like a MULTIPLATE CAPACITOR"!

What you didn't figure on was people would be interested to see how much force you think the coin pulls against your dowsing rod.
You didn't figure anyone would want to see how much force you would calculate using your "little g" formulas to figure the "LE and LA" and the "yin an yang" of gravity on a dowsing rod.
I am certain you cannot calculate the gravitational force of attraction between a 23 gm coin located 1.6 meters away from a 23 gm brass rod, because you do not know the what the simple formula is.
Instead of making a simple calculation, you attempted to substitute the force that the earth would exert on the rod instead of the force that a coin would exert on the rod.
... a fatal error that is guaranteed to produce a force trillions of times stronger than the actual amount of gravitational force between a rod and a coin.

I am guessing you were ready to make the calculation, but you went to look up the exact formula to make sure you had it right.... which is the time you discovered you had it all wrong from the beginning.
I am guessing this is when you discovered that "little g" is used to calculate the gravitational force of attraction between the earth and an object near the surface of the earth -- not the gravitational force of attraction between two small objects.
I am guessing this is the time when you discovered that "little g" has nothing to do with "LE and LA" and "yin an yang", because nearly every scientific source will tell you "little g" is a constant to calculate the gravitational force of attraction that the earth exerts on objects near its surface.

Of course, these same sources also told you that the correct formula to calculate the amount of gravitational force between the coin and the dowsing rod is: F = (G x m1 x m2)/r
When you realized you were wrong from the very beginning, you had only two options:
You could toss out the "LE and LA" and "yin an yang" "little g" method, and start using the correct formula instead.
Or you could keep the "LE and LA" and "yin an yang" "little g" method to incorporate into a collection of multiplate capacitive pseudoscience that maybe Dr. hung would recognize as correct.

It appears to be as I suspected...
What to do when it becomes apparent you don't know basic physics and are fullo BS?
Maybe it is time to run away?
Yup, that could work...

Only, in this case you tried to change the subject to fishing on your way out... :rolleyes:


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

Hahahaha:lol::lol:.
Don't try to make the easy things... difficult:(.
Noone knows how the dowsing method works. But it is sure that it works.
And don't tell me again about Randi because he don't accept everyone to make his tests:lol::lol:.
He wants to be sure :lol::lol:.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
Nobody has talked about randi here.
But you have a good point about making easy things difficult.
We all know there is a very simple way to figure out how much gravity force is attracting between any two objects, but Dedevil person is trying to change it into a very complicated thing that is hard to understand.
We hear complications like... "LE and LA" and "yin an yang" ... Dedevil person says "The centre is very –ve and the elements that make up the earth should be in layers if the earth was perfect! It would look like; the heaviest elements on the inside spreading out to the lightest on the outside. Just like a MULTIPLATE CAPACITOR!"

Instead of using simple arithmetic he wants us to pretend that we are dealing with complicated things like a multiplate capacitor and "LE and LA".
But don't worry, I don't think anyone will seriously believe that figuring out gravity is like "ying and yang", or a multiplate capacitor.
We know how to figure gravity force the simple way instead of the complicated way.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Stop swearing. NO! I AM CORRECT AND YOU ARE FOOLISH, HA, HA.
I think you should have written;
I have only been taught the basic physics that is taught in high schools and have yet to progress myself from this. It would be a silly thought that science can go beyond high school and I as a man can evolve to think for himself rather than be stuck learning for the rest of his life.
I’m working on Question 1 By building and testing the end of the rods pull/push weight. From this I will get a rough measurement. Although this is a local measurement it is still a good rough measurement.
Q2 There’s a series of formulas. But at the moment I’m not working on a formula to find a coin. I am working on putting all these formulas into one.
Q2B It changes. Coin designers have over the years adjusted the metals in coins in an attempt to stop theft. If you want to learn more about this look into design of coin slots on vending machines. There is a series of tests the coin must go through before being accepted or rejected.
I don’t know about Randi too much. And don’t really want to know. There was a guy called **** Smith who ran a similar test. The trick was that the water that people had to divine was pure water which doesn’t carry charge, so the test was just a big advertising stunt.
(quote) But don't worry, I don't think anyone will seriously believe that figuring out gravity is like "ying and yang", or a multiplate capacitor. (END QUOTE)
Ha! I’m talking about local gravity ‘g”. So, Think again my friend.
regards

[J_Player]

Stop swearing. NO! I AM CORRECT AND YOU ARE FOOLISH, HA, HA.
I think you should have written;
I have only been taught the basic physics that is taught in high schools and have yet to progress myself from this. It would be a silly thought that science can go beyond high school and I as a man can evolve to think for himself rather than be stuck learning for the rest of his life.
I’m working on Question 1 By building and testing the end of the rods pull/push weight. From this I will get a rough measurement. Although this is a local measurement it is still a good rough measurement.
Q2 There’s a series of formulas. But at the moment I’m not working on a formula to find a coin. I am working on putting all these formulas into one.
Q2B It changes. Coin designers have over the years adjusted the metals in coins in an attempt to stop theft. If you want to learn more about this look into design of coin slots on vending machines. There is a series of tests the coin must go through before being accepted or rejected.
I don’t know about Randi too much. And don’t really want to know. There was a guy called **** Smith who ran a similar test. The trick was that the water that people had to divine was pure water which doesn’t carry charge, so the test was just a big advertising stunt.
(quote) But don't worry, I don't think anyone will seriously believe that figuring out gravity is like "ying and yang", or a multiplate capacitor. (END QUOTE)
Ha! I’m talking about local gravity ‘g”. So, Think again my friend.
regards Hi Dedevil person,
This is excellent news.

There's no need to be concerned about coin designers changing the weight, or vending machine coin slots.
We already defined the weight to be 23 gm for the gold coin and 23 gm for the brass rod, and the distance they are separated has also been specified to be 1.6 meters.
So there is only one correct amount of gravitational force of attraction between the coin and rod.

I will anxiously await to see what formula you use, and what amount of gravitational force of attraction you calculate is exerted between a 23 gm gold coin and a 23 gm brass rod located 1.6 meters distance from each other.

It will also be good to see how much extra gravitational force you measure from a large underground stream pulling on your dowsing rod.
I don't think anyone ever did that before.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Hi Dedevil person,
This is excellent news.

There's no need to be concerned about coin designers changing the weight, or vending machine coin slots.
We already defined the weight to be 23 gm for the gold coin and 23 gm for the brass rod, and the distance they are separated has also been specified to be 1.6 meters.
So there is only one correct amount of gravitational force of attraction between the coin and rod.

I will anxiously await to see what formula you use, and what amount of gravitational force of attraction you calculate is exerted between a 23 gm gold coin and a 23 gm brass rod located 1.6 meters distance from each other.

It will also be good to see how much extra gravitational force you measure from a large underground stream pulling on your dowsing rod.
I don't think anyone ever did that before.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

Forget the 23gm weight thing. Ground Electrostatic formulas involve vectors and other things.
and yes it's been done before, for satelite technology. But my idea is different.
I'm thinking of a camera type device that instead of looking down from a statalite you can stand on the ground and see the gravitational effects. From my research The distance covered is long ( i have tested to 6 klm through thick gungle) and the discrimination is excellent. But how it all works is very difficult and i am stiil compiling information and testing theories. You can read about it more and make your own ideas at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatics
Forget high school theories, Electrostatics is the study of STATIONARY CHARGE.
The formulas for ground electrostatics are totally different to Universal Gravitation although a understanding of this is a stepping stone.
regards

[WM6]

The formulas for ground electrostatics are totally different to Universal Gravitation although a understanding of this is a stepping stone.
regards

Yes, and dr. hungblufdevil is a centre of Universal Gravitation best known as shizoparascamic gravitations.

[Dedevil]

Coin opertaed machines have extermely good coin mechs to stop bank robbery. So i would be concernd.
rgds

[Dedevil]

Yes, and dr. hungblufdevil is a centre of Universal Gravitation best known as shizoparascamic gravitations.

What are you on?

[WM6]

What are you on?

Remote detector of LRL scam and pseudo-scientific bluff.

[J_Player]

Coin opertaed machines have extermely good coin mechs to stop bank robbery. So i would be concernd.
rgds

Forget the 23gm weight thing. Ground Electrostatic formulas involve vectors and other things.
and yes it's been done before, for satelite technology. But my idea is different.
I'm thinking of a camera type device that instead of looking down from a statalite you can stand on the ground and see the gravitational effects. From my research The distance covered is long ( i have tested to 6 klm through thick gungle) and the discrimination is excellent. But how it all works is very difficult and i am stiil compiling information and testing theories. You can read about it more and make your own ideas at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatics
Forget high school theories, Electrostatics is the study of STATIONARY CHARGE.
The formulas for ground electrostatics are totally different to Universal Gravitation although a understanding of this is a stepping stone.
regardsHahahahahaaaa.... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif

Forget the 23 gm weight gold coin?
But this is what we have been waiting for you to show us ever since you said we have the wrong formula.
You were going to show us how my concept of calculating the gravitational force of attraction between a gold coin and a brass rod was wrong...
Remember? ---

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r Ha! You have the wrong formula! Yes Big G is used to describe universal gravitation, but I am not talking about planetary motion, more so, INNER planetary motion which uses little g or “g” as it is known as. Back to school for you.

"...If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS".

"...While I wait for geo to answer about the new thread idea I will keep going. To start the formula is not wrong. This is the correct formula for Universal gravitation. If I was god and wanted to describe how and why the Sun, Planets and the moons behaved. But little g is a different set of formulas used to describe local gravitational effects on a planets surface. Big G is used to describe gravitational effects between suns, planets, and moons. A bit like Amps and micro or nano amps. The basics are + and – or Le and LA or . and – or yin and yang. There are heaps of possible ways to describe but I will stick with + and – This is the best for Newtonian physics, which has basically stated that the sun is +ve and the earth is –ve. Then you have to look at the earth as a globe, The centre is very –ve and the elements that make up the earth should be in layers if the earth was perfect! It would look like; the heaviest elements on the inside spreading out to the lightest on the outside. Just like a MULTIPLATE CAPACITOR!
I am tired and this description could take a lot of pages, so hopefully it will give your mind something to think about for the moment".

Actually we are all tired of your descriptions of drowning at the beach, ying and yang, and multiplate capacitors.
Why not just type out the formula and the amount of force of gravitational attraction that you calculate is exerted between the coin and the rod.
No stories are needed, just a formula and the answer is as simple as this:

Formula is:
F = (G x m1 x m2)/r

where:
G = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2 Universal gravitational constantm1 = 23 gm mass of gold coin
m2 = 23 gm mass of brass rod
r = 1.6 meters distance between coin and rod
F = gravitational force of attraction between the coin and the rod

Answer is:
F= 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force, or (1.6 trillionths of a gm).

See?
No theories posted, only a formula and units of measurement to produce the answer.
Will we see the how you can show this is the wrong formula as you said?
Or should we presume you don't really know how to calculate the gravitational force between two objects?

Note: The coin machine argument has nothing to do with calculating gravitational attraction force between a buried coin and a dowsing rod.
A buried gold coin is very unlikely to have ever been in a coin operated vending machine.
If a treasure hunter finds a buried gold coin, it is usually a very old coin that was most likely buried long before vending machines where invented.
And coin designers don't generally adjust the weight of gold coins so they will be accepted in a vending machine.
And since we are calculating the gravitational force of a coin that is buried in the ground, we do not need to have concerns of it being in a coin machine to calculate gravitational force.

Also, changing the subject to electrostatics has nothing to do with calculating the gravitational force of attraction between two objects.
There is no electric charge formula needed to calculate a gravitational force of attraction between two objects, as you seem to imply in your stories above.

Since we know you would not use stalling techniques to conceal that you don't really know how to calculate the force of gravity, I will be watching for you to post the formula that you use, and the answer, as I have done.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Here is a link to a simple static motor. If YOU build it, then YOU can try applying your formula to find the amount of force that is required to move the motor.
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/emotor/emotor.html

rgds

[J_Player]

How do you confuse J Player?
Put him in a round room and ask him to wee in the corner.
Ha Ha Ha :lol::lol::lol:
J Players thoughts: This is not funny.
Ha Yes it is:lol::razz::lol:Well, It appears Dedevil person was not successful at figuring out how much force of gravitational attraction is exerted between a 23 gm gold coin and a 23 gm brass rod located 1.6 meters distance from it.
Instead, he is looking for static electricity forces to find some answers.
But no static electricity formulas can calculate the gravitational force between a coin and a dowsing rod.
Since the rest of us know that the gravitational force is about 1.6 trillionths of a gram, maybe we should see what we would come up with if we used Dedevil's formula using "little g" ...

Gravitational dowsing force formula according to Dedevil:
We know that "Little g" is a fixed amount which describes the acceleration due to the gravity of the earth for objects near the surface of the earth.
And most of us know the formula is: F = g x m

where
F = force from earth's gravitational acceleration
g = 9.80665 m/s2
m = the mass of the object that you want to know how much gravitational force the earth is exerting.

This formula tells us how much gravitational force the earth exerts on any object near the surface.
So the force in grams can be calculated by multiplying the earth's constant times the mass of a rod, or a coin.
But wait... we already know how much force of gravitational attraction the earth exerts on a 23 gm brass rod or a 23 gm coin... 23 gm !!
Why would we bother to calculate this force if we already know?

When we we look at this formula, we see it cannot be used to calculate the gravitational force between a coin and a rod.
It is only good for calculating how much force the earth exerts on objects near the surface.

But why does Dedevil person say this is the formula to use, and we must go back to school if we use the formula that produces the correct answer?
He cannot show how to use his formula to calculate how much gravitational force the coin is exerting on his brass dowsing rod, yet he wants us to think this formula is like Le and LA, ying and yang, and a multilplate capacitor. :nono:

This formula has nothing to do with capacitors or any other ying-yang stuff.
It is a simple way to calculate how heavy things are.
And it does not calculate how much extra gravity force a buried coin will pull on a dowsing rod.

Is it beginning to appear that the Dedevil person does not know how to calculate things that relate to earth science?

From what I can see, I think Dedevil is making up stuff and trying to pass it off as science to fool people into thinking he is successful at dowsing.
Maybe the Dedevil person will be successful at propagating pseudoscience.
It appears Dr. hung thinks he is.
Perhaps we should allow Dr. hung to congratulate Dedevil person for showing us how much he knows:

Nice and simple introdutory explanation in a true scientific way.
There is also one major factor involved such as photon streams. But this requires a true understanding of really what magnetism is about. Much different than many 'xientists' think they know still with 19th century concepts.

You're the first person I see in this forum with a genuine and effective inherited quest for understanding the simplicity and logical way certain phenomena manifest.
Nice job.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Close J Player but not close enough.

I dont see the static motor flying off into outerspace so F=mg is also the wrong formula.
Do you know any other force formulas.?
Choose wisely because 3 strikes and your out.

rgds

[J_Player]

Close J Player but not close enough.

I dont see the static motor flying off into outerspace so F=mg is also the wrong formula.
Do you know any other force formulas.?
Choose wisely because 3 strikes and your out.

rgdsHi Dedevil person,
It seems you lost it a while ago.
There is no static motor involved in making a calculation for the force of gravity.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I see that Carl beat me to it and removed your personally offensive messages. For your information (in case you are not already aware) we are operating a 3-strike rule in the LRL Forums. You have 2 strikes left.

[Dedevil]

Scene 3 “Part 1” annnnndddd ACTION! ; Carl, suffering from the depression of finally realizing that travelling to another planet is an impossible delusion from the 60’s, realizes that his Darth Carl image is no longer, um! “cool” so calls up his imaginary friend “Q” who suddenly appears on the scene, with the 3 strikes and you’re out rule. But unknown to Q, Carl has already breached the rule of Q’s administration in the extremely rude and sarcastic remarks towards members by using the weak “Q” part of Carl’s split personatity mind and therefore leaving behind the “Real Carl” who’s getting back to reality with the “Real Carl” Ahhhhh HaHa HAAAA.
Carl thinks; Oh! No! My cover is blown! Hooowww Hooowww I will, I will! beat those LRL fools one day! (As soon as I get this dam mask off! Ahhh, it claustrophobic in here!) How dare they make foolish thoughts of my writings? I am the KING! The “Darth CARL” of detection, the “RULER!!” Anyone who does not agree with me shall be banished from my kingdom with my imaginary Q. - Sounds like the editing and rewriting of the bible for mass production type history repeating, hey Carl?. SORRY BUT, NO SALE! YOUR JUST ANOTHER SPLIT PERSONALITY DICTATOR WHO DOES NOT SEEM TO WARRENT MY TIME ANY MORE.
I’LL FIND MY OWN WAY OUT
The Devil

[Dedevil]

Annnnndddddd ACTION!

Rule: Criticism should be relevant and constructive.- Q’s criticism was not only destructive to Esteban’s ideas, but also extremely sarcastic, which also makes me believe in a new rule, being the ability for free thought with unbiased opinions from the administration.

[WM6]

Annnnndddddd ACTION!

Rule: Criticism should be relevant and constructive.- Q’s criticism was not only destructive to Esteban’s ideas, but also extremely sarcastic, which also makes me believe in a new rule, being the ability for free thought with unbiased opinions from the administration.

Here one constructive construction for dr. hung/Dedevil split personality:

First one LRL Transmitter for dr hung and second one LRL receiver for Dedevil. Enjoy!

[Dedevil]

If you implying that I am Hung under another name, think again, then think again, and again. And those schizophrenic thoughts will keep bouncing around in your bipolar brain until you either take your pills or stop drinking, or install an exhaust fan to stop you breathing the glue vapors or just ask admin, as he knows that I am not Hung. For I and Hung are ONE and just another pair of my split personalities on this forum under the name of DARTH CARL oR J Player pending what I clothes I wish to wear. J Player prefers the red dress with black bra although Q like the tighter fitting short skirts. But i can be FREE and who ever i want.
Unknown?

[WM6]

If you implying that I am Hung under another name, ..............



Be calm, there are split personalities that do not know of each others.

By denying the facts you getting more and more like Hung, which is not good.

So be Dedevil, devil part of Hung personalities, and don't go on fight by yourself.

[hung]

Back from the field and I see dedevil is being chased by the inquisition...

Last year over TNET, I told Carl (randi's greatest fan and contributer) that his LRL forum was dead.

It survived fairly well until about 2008 with a few interesting topic discussions. Despite of the pest skepthics of the hour who always loved to make noise in 'silent libraries' as retarded kids always did.
But after 2008/2009 forum etiquete degraded. And now it trully became a zoo. Not even the greeks who used to stop by in the last days of 2011 come here often anymore.
Only people from middle east are still attending and the poor guys still suffer from the sarcastic mean jokes of j________________p aka jack in the box and from some freak that pretends to be from slovenia but I bet lives in Rua Augusta 's trany zone in São Paulo.

You see, when someone tries to talk about dowsing and other too complicated matters for the small mind of skepthics here, they always fight back with trash. So why keeping a topic in the forum in the first place, if the zoo is not ready for it?
Huh?
The two skepheads mentioned above are either unemployed right now or they are retired from their jobs. Only this could explain their long useless posts and also the huge amount of time they spend here. Or... could it be also they earn money just to act stupid. That's fair.
The good thing. Ozzy now stood back and behaves like an administrator and saved us from his mambos. Congratulations ozzy. Now you figured what an administrator role means.
The bad thing. Wilma became a pest and now contributes a lot for the zoo to elect a new janitor.

I really feel sorry for the middle east guys who genuinely would like to discuss LRLs, but are fooled here by the 'experts'.
Long live geoskepthic forums.
Good luck dedevil in taming the beasts.

[WM6]

I really feel sorry for the middle east guys who genuinely would like to discuss LRLs, but are fooled here by the 'experts'.



'experts' like you, yes.



(sorry Dedevil, not to mention your name here, but you are only second personification of brother in spoof hung)

[Qiaozhi]

... Q’s criticism was not only destructive to Esteban’s ideas, but also extremely sarcastic, ...
Everyone here (except you, apparently) knows that I have been a supporter of Esteban in his quest for the perfect LRL. Everyone also knows I am a skeptic; but even so I will support those who like to experiment. Athough some of their ideas may be somewhat wacky (to say the least).

Perhaps, if you were to post something useful, or that even made a modicum of sense, your presence here would not be so disruptive.

Remember you have 2 strikes left - so don't push your luck.

[Qiaozhi]

DeDevil - it has just been drawn to my attention that you have recently reposted a personally offensive message, against another member of this forum, that was deleted previously by Carl. That post has also been removed, which makes it STRIKE2.

You're now on your last chance.

I seem to remember you did exactly the same thing, and exhibited the same behaviour, when you were on this forum as "Ernie". Don't make this a case of history repeating itself.

[hung]

Humm... I could read some posts in this thread and it's very clear that Dedevil is REacting and not acting against members. He was provoked.
Three notorious skeptics are making fun of him and his posts and acting with disrespect. Specially Jplayer and Wm6. They are acting and being provocative, attempting to make him fall into ridicule. JPlayer has always used this aproach against others. He usually does not respect posts he lacks understanding.
WM6 even states that dedevil has a split personality and that is calling him a psycho. My goodness...

Nevetheless these 2 persons still remain intact after all these years and were never given a single reprimand.
I don't pay attention to the BS these people post or waste my time with them, but some people kinda take them serious and they do might get upset. Maybe it's gonna be sometime until dedevil realizes not to react to their insignificant posts.

However, what ruler have you been using to punish him and leave the others clean? Skepthic's ruler I see.
Very bad move.

[WM6]

WM6 even states that dedevil has a split personality and that is calling him a psycho.

My goodness...

.

Not Dedevil, you. Dedevil is only your redundant personification. What mean "psycho", I never use such term?

With the terms of deepest sympathies to your goodness.

[sakis1]

Eventually the writing malakies and thinking malakismena is an issue :D
there is first a question tabled by Geo but not the tests (perhaps you do not know;) :D
Everything is possible!
But you know not to talk while you should attack and when someone knows something about the hobby.
you're worse than us :lol:
you're worse than us and want to be clever;)

[Qiaozhi]

Humm... I could read some posts in this thread and it's very clear that Dedevil is REacting and not acting against members. He was provoked.
Three notorious skeptics are making fun of him and his posts and acting with disrespect. Specially Jplayer and Wm6. They are acting and being provocative, attempting to make him fall into ridicule. JPlayer has always used this aproach against others. He usually does not respect posts he lacks understanding.
WM6 even states that dedevil has a split personality and that is calling him a psycho. My goodness...

Nevetheless these 2 persons still remain intact after all these years and were never given a single reprimand.
I don't pay attention to the BS these people post or waste my time with them, but some people kinda take them serious and they do might get upset. Maybe it's gonna be sometime until dedevil realizes not to react to their insignificant posts.

However, what ruler have you been using to punish him and leave the others clean? Skepthic's ruler I see.
Very bad move.
This is the last time I will respond to any post that questions, or attempts to undermine, the administration of this forum. The rules are very simple. But for those that have difficulty understanding, I will explain the current situation:

DeDevil posted a picture of a Neanderthal, together with a reference to J_Player; and followed this immediately with a second post containing more personal abuse. Then WM6 posted a response to this abuse. All 3 of these posts were removed by Carl, but unfortunately I did not see the one from WM6 before its deletion, so am unable to comment on the content. My advice is to not respond to abusive posts, but to use the "Report Post" icon, otherwise you are in danger of starting a slanging match and getting caught up in the aftermath.

As a result, I gave DeDevil one strike for the abusive posts. However, he then defiantly reposted the abuse, which was immediately removed, resulting in a second strike.

Some members here do push the boundaries, but generally remain within the rules, whereas certain others (we know who they are) are only here to cause disruption. Such disruption tends to make other members, who are genuinely interested in LRLs, refrain from posting.

If you are still struggling to understand the rules, here's a refresher of the most relevant part:

"LRL forums historically have a tendency to bring out the worst in some people. Personal attacks and taunts will not be tolerated. This includes verbal (you're an idiot) and pictorial (posting a derogatory picture). Violations will result in an infraction and possible suspension. Three infractions will result in a ban. Postings considered to be inflammatory can be reported to Admin by clicking the little red triangle icon at the top of each post. Please use this only when absolutely necessary."

It is up to Admin to decide when someone has crossed the line, and quite often a short PM will get things back on track. But for some people a PM, would be a complete waste of time.

End of story.

[WM6]

All 3 of these posts were removed by Carl, but unfortunately I did not see the one from WM6 before its deletion, so am unable to comment on the content.



All my posts still here and can be checked. And deleted too, of course, if something go over the border of recommended courtesy. I completely trust in the admin assessment.

I am here in first line to support LRL developers and enthusiast in construction approach to build their own remote detecting devices. As skeptic of course, but with sincere technical contribution with many suggestions, advices and schematic solutions.

But, I am not here to support LRL scam and propaganda backed with quasi-scientific nonsense, wide spread mostly by member hung, with naive buyers fishing intention. In contrary, scam and fraud stratagem are my battle field. Fraudulent LRL producer must be destroyed!

Strange, so many post from member hung, with hunge tons of futile theories in support of LRL-scam marketing, but no one real contribution to LRL forum, no one single working schematic? And he declare himself as believer and LRL expert?

No one single working LRL schematic from big expert hung. Nada. Zero. Null. Propio niente.

Strange.

[hung]

So his only fault was posting a picture of a neanderthal representing jplayer??

What about the dozens of pictures j_________________p has posted in this forum with the same intentions and became untouchable??
Skeptic ruler at work of course.

I think Dedevil now will take some souls with him back to hell...:lol:

[Geo]

I am very sorry to what is happening here:(.
You have the ability to blew any article created. And I disagree on many points with Hung but I respect his right to speak. In these pages published and other LRL scams but I did not see you to have any problem, as you do with Hung.
:angry::angry:

[WM6]

I am very sorry to what is happening here:(.
You have the ability to blew any article created. And I disagree on many points with Hung but I respect his right to speak. In these pages published and other LRL scams but I did not see you to have any problem, as you do with Hung.
:angry::angry:

Hi Geo, life is harsh.

Don't worry about hung, he has enough Dedevils reincarnations to survive all forums treatment.

And interest too, there are huge money behind LRL scam industry. So don't take his Calimeros play serious.

[Fred]

Humm... I could read some posts in this thread and it's very clear that Dedevil is REacting and not acting against members. He was provoked.


Reading dedevil posts, their total lack of sense and logic, i wonder why you feel the need to defend, (or protect?) him .
Or not.

[Dedevil]

Reading dedevil posts, their total lack of sense and logic, i wonder why you feel the need to defend, (or protect?) him .
Or not.

If i am full of nonsense and illogical goto the spring wand thread under passive locators and as WM6 is doing show us all your logic.

[Dedevil]

Since you and WM6 and Fred all agree in opinions why don't you join in also,

[Dedevil]

Since your a big fan of Shumann i was wondering of your thoughts about this guy/site

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Capacitor_schematic_with_dielectric.svg/200px-Capacitor_schematic_with_dielectric.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Capacitor_schematic_with_dielectric.svg/200px-Capacitor_schematic_with_dielectric.svg.png)
A slowing of the earth’s rotation, days getting shorter, global military communications? but wait there’s more, a conspiracy theory as it’s not widely reported in the U.S. and can only be found in the Seattle library reference section????? The earth will stop in rotation?????
rgds

[Dedevil]

Just an after thought but do you think Hertz was wrong in theory? Are these things that are going to happen what many have called the RISE OF THE 666 DEVIL HIMSELF for real?

Rgds

[WM6]

Just an after thought but do you think Hertz was wrong in theory? Are these things that are going to happen what many have called the RISE OF THE 666 DEVIL HIMSELF for real?

Rgds

"Hey Hung what's your thoughts on this?"


Bluff of the year 2012. Seems you two are not split only mentally but physically too.

[hung]

Just an after thought but do you think Hertz was wrong in theory?
Rgds

Yes. He thought the transverse magnetic component was present even before transduction.
Sorry, but I'm in a rush and busy these days. Maybe I talk more about this later in case it becomes pertinent.

Regards.

[WM6]

Sorry, but I'm in a rush and busy these days.

.

Yes, we know, Dedevil personification consumes all your time stock these days.

And thanks for brilliant nonsense in first sentence.

[Fred]

Yes, we know, Dedevil personification consumes all your time stock these days.

And thanks for brilliant nonsense in first sentence.

:thumb:

Sorry have have been busy digging treasures lately and i can´t post longer sentences...

[Goldmoor]

hi Geo and all members,

Could please give very accurate details about how to make this rods?

Thanks in advance.

[Dedevil]

Yes. He thought the transverse magnetic component was present even before transduction.
Sorry, but I'm in a rush and busy these days. Maybe I talk more about this later in case it becomes pertinent.

Regards.

Yes it is pertinent. What are you saying that the earth doesn't have a magnetic field?

[goldfinder]

hi Geo and all members,

Could please give very accurate details about how to make this rods?

Thanks in advance.

I found some perfectly useful (to dowsers) swing rods on eBay for a very low price. If I wanted a pair I'd buy them there. Why waste time when you can get them for less than $20.
Goldfinder
PS - no I don't know who makes them and I certainly wouldn't sell a pair for less than $75. Too much labor.
GF

[Geo]

Can you give us the URL adress???

[Dedevil]

hi Geo and all members,

Could please give very accurate details about how to make this rods?

Thanks in advance.

Which rods in perticular are you wanting to build?

Lrods and spring rods are both easy to build if this is what you want.

rgds

[mustefa ubram]

hi geo
Please give the copper frequency?
I buried 2 plate copper for two months.Does it Appropriate for test dowsing road or magnetic field?

[reza vir]

Dowser is treasure (or water, oil etc.) hunter with special extra-sensory perception capabilities. Or according others: "extended sensory perception" capabilities.

Dowsing rod (no matter of wood, metal or electronic) will work only in hands of extra-sensory perception individual (medium).

If you are not such extra-sensory perception medium by nature or trained, no one dowsing rod (even high computerised) will work for you.

You can read more here:

http://www.faust.com/index.php/legend/dowsing/

Hello dear friend
You say correctly
To find the treasure by bars should be more focused and targeted quite feel up our minds to lead us towards the goal.
Like the movie.
http://s1.picofile.com/file/8124289234/L_Rod.mpg.html

[reza vir]

hi geo
Please give the copper frequency?
I buried 2 plate copper for two months.Does it Appropriate for test dowsing road or magnetic field?

Geo said
Gold 34 to 33 Hz
Copper, 10 to 12 Hz
Aluminum 70 Hz

[Dave J.]

there are a number of frequencies that have been used successfully to find gold, but the one that stands out above all others is 19.2 kHz, the frequency of the original 1980's Gold Bug and of the new 21st century Gold Bug.

If you expect to actually locate where to dig for a specific gold nugget, you need a metal detector. Fisher makes 'em. No particular mystery, it's real.

Now if you're into doodlebugging with L-rods hoping to find a piece of gold to dig, you don't need to be confused about the matter. For less than the price tag of almost any LRL, you can buy a Gold Bug to use as a frequency generator ready to go out of the box, and if you don't have L-rods you can use bent coat-hangers or a $40 well built commercial dowsing rod. If you believe you need a "frequency", lay the Gold Bug on the ground, turn it on, and start searching with your L-rod. It'll probably work just as well if you forget to turn it on, but that's another story hard to tell in this particular venue.

Once you think you've found a promising spot, take the Gold Bug over there and locate the object (if it's there) and start digging.

[reza vir]

What is the frequency of your device to see gold? 19 Khz
What is the function of the system?
New gold or buried?
..................................
You can make by CNC machines

[Dave J.]

http://www.fisherlab.com/hobby/detectors-gold--nugget.htm#goldbug

It actually works, and nobody says it doesn't.

http://catalog.usabluebook.com/app.php?RelId=6.1.8.6
bottom page 882, item #25720
Dowsing rod for less than US$40.
What a dowsing rod preferably does, is swivel, and this one does.

[reza vir]

Hello dear friend
The device differs from the Fisher-type tracking system
And the device operating frequency is 19 khz
19 khz not gold frequency

:)

[mustefa ubram]

reza vir 10-12hz is for cave.i need to copper frq

[mustefa ubram]

hi geo
Have you left this thread?i need to copper frq.?
can you help me?

[reza vir]

You can create and test to get the right frequency
Geo said between 10 to 12 khz

[Geo]

hi geo
Have you left this thread?i need to copper frq.?
can you help me?

Sorry for late answer but i don't read this forum so often....:frown:
The frequency for every metal depending of the magnetic field at your area. So find the NMR frequency and adjust 10*(NMR freq).
For example at my area the magnetic field is 46500 and the NMR frequency of copper with isotope 63 is 525Hz, so you must set the frequency of oscillator at 5250Hz.

:)

[mustefa ubram]

Sorry for late answer but i don't read this forum so often....:frown:
The frequency for every metal depending of the magnetic field at your area. So find the NMR frequency and adjust 10*(NMR freq).
For example at my area the magnetic field is 46500 and the NMR frequency of copper with isotope 63 is 525Hz, so you must set the frequency of oscillator at 5250Hz.

:)

Hi geo tank you very much dear freind How do I find the Earth's magnetic field?

[WM6]

If you know your exact geographic position, you can calculate present value of geomagnetic fields for your area. This is not a constant value:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/magfield.shtml

[Geo]

Also from the attached map we can see the magnetic field at our area
:)

[Goldmaxx]

Hello, here is a link to easily locate the Earth magnetic field from our area.
Clicking with the mouse on the map of your area and in the popup window are all values displayed​​. :)

http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/models_compass/wmm_calc.html

[mustefa ubram]

Hello, here is a link to easily locate the Earth magnetic field from our area.
Clicking with the mouse on the map of your area and in the popup window are all values displayed​​. :)

http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/models_compass/wmm_calc.html
thank you very much goldmaxx:)

[Goldmaxx]

thank you very much goldmaxx:)


No problem :)

Regards

[Geo]

Part list from my schematic

R1=1K
R2=4k7
R3=10k
R4=10K
R5=1k2 ... 1k5
R6=100K potentiometer
C2=220nF
C3=12nF
C5=100uF/16V
D1=Led
Q1=BC547B
IC1= CD4017
IC2=LM555
G1=9v battery

:):)

Here is the parts list that member walkman is looking for...

:)

[walkman]

Here is the parts list that member walkman is looking for...

:)
Thanks Geo