NE555 VLF transmitter

[WM6]

Simple VLF transmitter with aerial coil wire antenna and changeable frequency can be build using wide available NE555. Not with ideal sine wave but usable.

Potentiometer should be, for more precise frequency selection, multi-turn one (if possible), but not required.

Antenna coil data: outer coil diameter >22cm, wire diameter 0.25mm, coil resistance >33 Ohm, number of turns approx 111, inductance about 5mH, wire length needed about 80meters.

PCB dimension 2.1" x 1.6".

[WM6]

Proposed circuit generate bursts of selected frequency.
This can be usable if we select frequency out of human audible range (say > 22kHz) which can be then on RX side demodulated to make bursts audible. We can lower C2 to 10uF.

[Fred]

Hi WM6,
May i ask what is the purpose of the circuit, (except scaring mosquitoes) ?

[WM6]

Hi WM6,
May i ask what is the purpose of the circuit, (except scaring mosquitoes) ?

Hi Fred,

purpose of this circuit is, as previous stated, VLF transmitter (very important thing in some sort of electronic dowsing).

DO not be fooled by a weak signal, it is even too strong and need to be limited (limiter not included in circuit yet, but is very simple to apply one) for best sensing results.

You are free to use this circuit for scaring mosquitoes, if your mosquitoes warriors believe in electronic dowsing.

[J_Player]

Hi WM6,
May i ask what is the purpose of the circuit, (except scaring mosquitoes) ?Hi Fred,
Mosquitoes are not scared from VLF transmissions.
But if you want to use this circuit for mosquito scaring, you can make a modification to the output at the antenna coil.
By adding a single transistor and resistor plus a piezoelectric transducer, you can make audible sounds which follow the bursts that are being sent at the coil.
Of course, you want to choose sound frequencies that mosquitoes hate, so they will stay away.
This can be good for a dowser when he is treasure hunting, or for a non-dowser for when he is at a picnic lunch during mosquito season.
But be careful... do not adjust to frequencies that attract mosquitoes.

Of course, do not publish what kind of transistor or buzzer ... (spies are watching).


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[morsuvari]

tHi Fred,

purpose of this circuit is, as previous stated, VLF transmitter (very important thing in some sort of electronic dowsing).

DO not be fooled by a weak signal, it is even too strong and need to be limited (limiter not included in circuit yet, but is very simple to apply one) for best sensing results.

You are free to use this circuit for scaring mosquitoes, if your mosquitoes warriors believe in electronic dowsing.

Thanks WM6,it is very nice.
-morsuvari-

[Metaldude]

What is the VLF transmitter used for? (Forgive my primitive knowledge), that is, how is it used to find minerals?

[Dave J.]

What is the VLF transmitter used for? (Forgive my primitive knowledge), that is, how is it used to find minerals?

Finds minerals through the use of lots of imagination.

Like a 5 year old kid fending off space invaders with a ray gun comprising his mother's keychain flashlight.

No matter where you go, there are no space invaders, and there are minerals. So it appears that both methods are effective.

--Dave J.

[mustefa ubram]

VERY NICE WM6
What do you use software to simulate the circuitS?

[Dedevil]

Nice circuit and diagrams, reminds me of the thread Geo started a while ago but he didnt have a transmission on the end.

While using my spring divining rod i noticed that the movement towards the target ( a creek) was at a rate of around 1 per second.

So thought what would be changing the electrification amplitude of my body at that rate?

The conclusion i made was that it is simply the heart beating. So i think as we are trying to reproduce divining then why not use the same duty cycle as a human heart beat? Can anyone with a scope look into it? Is it a 50/50 cycle?

Also i think the power of the diviners transmission does make a difference to the distance being divined. I have heard of American indians meditating before releasing a divining signal to get greater distance and accuracy. They used it as a type of communications system with others in the tribe who were away hunting. The meditation must help store the charges inside the body. The charge is releaed in a flash and leaves that feeling of shivers up your spine.

I tried this meditating type of divining once, and funny enough a mosquito came along. Without moving a muscle I put all my thoughts and energy into the shoulder it was about to bite me on. I could hear it getting closer and closer then ZAP! I had charged up so much that i discharged onto the mosquito! The discharge didnt kill the mosquito like a bug zapper would but it flew off making a strange sound.

rgds

[WM6]

What do you use software to simulate the circuitS?



CW from New Wave Concepts.

[Metaldude]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Dave J.]

Neither do they, Metaldude. They're all BS'ing you. The circuit doesn't have anything to do with locating metals or minerals-- unless you want to pretend that it does.

--Dave J.

[Metaldude]

Thanks for that.

[Metaldude]

There's lots of them on Google, use: Images, also people who listen to VLF atmospherics have a substantial experience in VLF receivers. What is your application?

[Dave J.]

There's lots of them on Google, use: Images, also people who listen to VLF atmospherics have a substantial experience in VLF receivers. What is your application?

The circuit they're talking about in this thread is not a receiver, it is a transmitter that has no useful function. Has nothing to do with metal detection, nothing to do with mineral detection, nothing to do with atmospherics, no practical use whatsoever. Even as an example of a 555 oscillator circuit, it's one of the worst I've seen. The data sheet explains how to use a 555 properly. Note: modern linear CMOS 555's work much better than the original bipolar 555.

If you're interested in building something that actually detects metals or minerals, I recommend www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php)

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

The circuit they're talking about in this thread is not a receiver, it is a transmitter that has no useful function. Has nothing to do with metal detection, nothing to do with mineral detection, nothing to do with atmospherics, no practical use whatsoever. Even as an example of a 555 oscillator circuit, it's one of the worst I've seen. The data sheet explains how to use a 555 properly. Note: modern linear CMOS 555's work much better than the original bipolar 555.

If you're interested in building something that actually detects metals or minerals, I recommend www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php)

--Dave J.

If your such a know it all and the other site is so good Dave, then why are you here?

[Dave J.]

Well, Mr. Devil, one might ask you the same question. You've promoted the Half a Dead Fish Dowsing Gospel, but don't recall that you've told anyone where to send the money to buy a copy.

I'm here to debunk LRL fraud, to use the LRL forum as a laboratory for observing what it is about human nature that causes people so easily become deluded by nonsense, and occasionally to steer someone to a forum where things that actually work are discussed if the forum-denizen happens to be interested in things that work and landed here by mistake.

For instance, if a person wanted a 555 circuit to do something useful, and therefore it mattered whether it was done well or poorly, there are forums (for example the Geotech forums) where knowledgeable people discuss such things.

On the LRL forums, people publish schematics of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with locating metals or valuables at a distance, the circuits are always extraordinarily crude and there is no interest in how to do a competent design that might serve a useful purpose even if not that of locating metals or valuables at a distance. My favorite example of this genre are the low frequency receivers (usually inductive). You can buy well designed low frequency receivers, but they're of no use for fake dowsing because they have identifiable signal responses. To be used for fake dowsing a receiver needs either a mechanical swivelly thingy (what the circuit does is irrelevant), or to be so uselessly noisy and drifty that its output is pretty much like rolling dice and with enough imagination you can pretend that the readings have something to do with "gold ions" or whatever your pseudoscientific belief du jour is.

Listening to the explanations is like listening to a gambler explain how his lucky streaks work: the guy is always borrowing money from his buddies and not paying it back and despite all that the guy hasn't discovered the obvious-- which is that he doesn't know crraapp about gambling, its the slicks who keep cleaning him out who understand gambling.

So what keeps incompetent gamblers in the game? There's something they want to be true, even though they know it's false, and their loyalty is to their wants rather than to knuckling under to Reality. The more they invest in the screwup, they more they believe that "I can't quit now, I've got so much invested in it!". (The slicks who are cleaning him out know this is what he's thinking and keep him in the game by pandering to the delusion.) The fallacy that you can "get your money back" by throwing good money after bad is so broadly accepted that you hear supposedly rational businesspeople use that line of reasoning to justify outright financial stupidity. Idjit investors, the money's gone! it's not bait still on a hook that you can reel back in! LRL'ers merely represent an extreme example of what is actually everyday experience, it even happens in the worlds of national and international politics and finance.

The world is governed by superstition, Mr. Devil. You and I probably agree on that much, and what we disagree on is whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. The world is a pretty big laboratory, so when a person wants a small laboratory to put superstition under a microscope, LRL forums serve the purpose well.

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I wouldn't worry about Dave's comments at the moment, sound's like he's having a few problems. What part of the conversation didn't you understand. Use quotes.

rgds

[Metaldude]

I saw a VLF receiver circuit in an earlier post and a 555 based transmitter circuit that does bursts at a low frequency.

How does a VLF transmitter and receiver detect metals/minerals?

[Dedevil]

Simply the answer is Electrification. Everything to a certain extent is electrified. Water ( H20 ) has a net overall tendancy to be positively charged while gold (Au197 ) has a tendancy to be negetivley charged. A phenomina called the triboelectric effect. The human body has a tendancy to try and stay neautral but is normally - ve charged. This is why a diviner using L rods will have the rods cross over as they go over an underground stream. The rods are being attracted to the +ve plate of the top of the underground water. If the diviner then stops and sticks one L rod in the ground the other L rod will point like a compass to the path of least resistance that the water is flowing in.
Zapping the enviroment with vlf electrofies the surrounding environment and therefor makes gold more -ve and water more +ve. It is like turning up the volume to the surrounding environment or in a similar fashion we turn on a light to see in a dark room. Some people swear by it, but i am a good diviner and therefor do not require it. But i can also see applications for this in an electronic style divining machine to stimulate the antenna.

Hope that clears it up.
rgds

[Dedevil]

The circuit they're talking about in this thread is not a receiver, it is a transmitter that has no useful function. Has nothing to do with metal detection, nothing to do with mineral detection, nothing to do with atmospherics, no practical use whatsoever. Even as an example of a 555 oscillator circuit, it's one of the worst I've seen. The data sheet explains how to use a 555 properly. Note: modern linear CMOS 555's work much better than the original bipolar 555.

If you're interested in building something that actually detects metals or minerals, I recommend www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php)

--Dave J.

I would only use a cmos chip to save power consumption and battery life. Good if your walking around with a search coil. But in this case the Vlf transmitter would stay in one place and powered by generator or solar and therefor WM6's choice of a TTL 555 is excellent.

Is that your wife yelling at you Dave? Telling you to hurry up and clean the dishes.
She wants a foot massage after that!

[Dedevil]

If the explanation of electrification was confusing. Try this; Think of our universe and the centre of attraction, the sun. The sun has a huge amount of nuclear explosions happening and according to our science knowledge produces protons (+ve charges) from these explosions. So the sun can be called overall positive "+ve". Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun. Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans. A smaller stream has less mass than the oceans.
Less mass means less +ve. and so the streams now become -ve with reference to the oceans. like 5 for oceans and 5-1(4) for streams.
Less mass less charge.
rgds

[Metaldude]

That's fascinating, thanks for those explanations. I've tried divining for water and was very surprised to easily find it. Your explanation of charge differences being everywhere, but resident in bodies and being either -ve or +ve is interesting.

You've obviously had electrical training.

[Dedevil]

No worries. If you liked the L rod divining try a spring rod. Although your body has a charge, it also fluctuates with the electrical impulses of your hearts muscles. So your bodies overall charge actually beats! Just like a light being swithed on and off. With a spring rod you can actually see this change in electrification as it will bend towards the underground streams at heart beat rate. Once you've tried it, try this. Hold the spring rod out and without saying anything just ask it how far to the stream? Then start counting up in meters or centimeters in your head. As your count gets closer and closer to the water your heartbeat will also change in rate, slightly, giving an overall accuracy to the water. It's very accurate!

rgds

[Dave J.]

That's fascinating, thanks for those explanations. I've tried divining for water and was very surprised to easily find it. Your explanation of charge differences being everywhere, but resident in bodies and being either -ve or +ve is interesting.

You've obviously had electrical training.


Mr. Devil, guess he's yours now. In a way it's only fair, I didn't need him and you did.

--Dave J.

PS: which end of the fish did you feed him?

[Dedevil]

Mr. Devil, guess he's yours now. In a way it's only fair, I didn't need him and you did.

--Dave J.

PS: which end of the fish did you feed him?

Can someone stick his dummy back in his mouth, he was such a cute baby when he was quite.

[Dedevil]

I've heard some good stories of why men wont wash the dishes, do the ironing or massage the wifes feet but Dave's is the best. Sorry darling I have to go prove the LRL fraudsters wrong. One day i will find you that gold nugget with my coil detector you just wait and see..... She's waiting Dave...The back massge is the worst part, it's like rolling bread dough in olive ioil.

[Dave J.]

Well, Metal, Mr. Devil has shown you what he is. Whaddaya think? If you like, you'll continue down that path. If not, you might chicken out.

A few years ago I lived near a well-known Christian obedience cult who are in effect hell-worshippers. They ran a public Halloween show that was based on CIA-KGB-Nazi mind control principles. I stood in line passing out leaflets explaining what they were up to and how it worked and recommended that anyone who was thinking of "going downstairs" would be a lot better off chickening out and doing something else that evening. I even recommended several other churches which were offering public Halloween parties of a harmless nature.

One couple to whom I handed the leaflet, and read it, walked away. The rest walked in, but of those a few may have used what they learned from the leaflet to avoid being suckered. Jesus called this maneuver broadcasting seed, without knowing what would sprout or if and when and how it would be harvested. Every act of life is like this.

That was then and there, and this is here and now. Anyone following this thread has seen how Mr. Devil associates himself with LRL's, while somehow steering clear of the subject himself. His dowsing claim to fame is the "half a dead fish gospel".

If you want to find metal or valuable minerals, those are well known disciplines that are competitive and which reward prudent investment and hard work. Mr. Devil is trying hard to make sure you won't learning anything that's gonna take you in that direction.

DeDevil told y'all in plain English what he is, if you get suckered by him you already knew in advance what it was you were being suckered by.

If you want to learn a thing or two about dowsing, most folks don't like my recommendations on that, but here's a good place to start thinking about it: Mr. Devil's half a dead fish gospel is a great place to begin, because it will teach you in a hurry how ludicrous BS works if you're a willing student.

********************

Mr. Devil's getting his jollies now, because someone has recognizes him for what he really is.

He really is Mr. Devil. He ain't kidding. I didn't invent his avatar, he did. His forum behavior is consistent with his avatar.

If you ask yourself "why is he here?" it's hard to take him seriously as an LRL enthusiast or "skeptic", or even as a dowser. I can't think of anyone who posts on the Tnet LRL forum who would give him the light of day other than through the exit door, same door through which several others have walked the gangplank. Including certain "skeptics" who learned the concept of "exit" the hard way.

I have several reasons for being here, I've listed them in a previous post in this thread. Mr. Devil ain't gonna tell you why he's here, so I'll spill the beans for him. He's here to do research on how gullible people are. I'm interested in the major pattern, but he's more interested in the extreme. I hope that someone a lot closer to him than I am is keeping much closer tabs on him than I am. To me he's just a wacko fellow forum denizen but to someone in Aussielandia he might be....... well, I don't have any actual evidence, I only see the way of thinking. Too late anyhow, most of the flammables already went up in smoke. He invented his avatar, I didn't. He wanted to reveal what he is and there's no reason why anyone should dispute him on that matter.

Now on that "really is" business, we have a potential communication problem with religious folks who think the Devil is a supernatural being, a sort of demigod or antigod. That's a convenience of churchmen and politicians who can chase the cuss away with smoke and mirrors while the real thing in flesh and blood is still sucking the folks in the pews dry, when it's doing that.

I'm not asserting that "the devil" can't exist outside of flesh and blood, I'm merely reminding folks of our practical experience in which we've encountered real human beings hell-bent on wrecking anything they can touch. You can say the force was their own or that it was an external force acting through them. The results are the same. The "what was the force?" problem is a mishmash that scientists are trying to unravel and which politicians and churchmen are trying to get under control. Congratulations, you're next!

--Dave J.

PS: Mr. Devil, since you seem to know Jesus and want a showdown with the fellow a lot more than a showdown with LRL either proponents or opponents, perhaps you can recommend a forum better suited to this conversation? Even a satanist forum if that's all ya got, I'm willing to take a look.

[Geo]

If i remember good, Carl made this site only for LRL believers.
Dave J, what do you want here?????
You can go to Geotech1 and to say all your good ideas and experiences from Fisher.
You have not nothing to say for LRLs.


Regards

[Fred]

If i remember good, Carl made this site only for LRL believers.

Not LRL believers, but LRL discussion Geo :)
(Muahahaha.....)
Regards

[Carl-NC]

The forum is for LRL discussions. Believers, skeptics, delusionists, even an occasional antagonist are welcomed. No cussin' no spittin' no pokin' in the eye. Mr. J has a narrative that even the most ardent LRL disciple oughta read and give a little thought to.

[Dedevil]

The forum is for LRL discussions. Believers, skeptics, delusionists, even an occasional antagonist are welcomed. No cussin' no spittin' no pokin' in the eye. Mr. J has a narrative that even the most ardent LRL disciple oughta read and give a little thought to.

The thought is.....

Mr Dave J Is stuck in the delusional world of coils that signal massive gold nuggets due to the simplified advertising by manufacturer’s, and walking around in circles with a nagging wife wanting to know when he's going to build the castle, finish washing the dishes and massage her feet.

Is he was so..... intelligent, then why does he not discuss why our theories are wrong? Simply because they are RIGHT! And he and others have been fooled by advertising into believing coils will bring him riches.

Good one Geo!

[Geo]

Mr. J has a narrative that even the most ardent LRL disciple oughta read and give a little thought to.


There are better narratives to give thought to....

[Qiaozhi]

The thought is.....

Mr Dave J Is stuck in the delusional world of coils that signal massive gold nuggets due to the simplified advertising by manufacturer’s, and walking around in circles with a nagging wife wanting to know when he's going to build the castle, finish washing the dishes and massage her feet.

Is he was so..... intelligent, then why does he not discuss why our theories are wrong? Simply because they are RIGHT! And he and others have been fooled by advertising into believing coils will bring him riches.

Good one Geo!
I'm sorry Mr. Devil, but constantly repeating something that is blatantly wrong just doesn't make it right; however many times you say it.

Sadly your posts are a perfect example of "self-delusion". In other words, a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

Personally I have no problem with anyone wanting to experiment with LRLs, or even dowsing, unless the intended result of the experiments is to scam other technically challenged people into parting with their hard-earned money. If you want to go outside and wander about with a couple of bent coat hangers, in the deluded belief that these will somehow point you in the direction of endless riches, then please go ahead. At the end of the day, you will still need a conventional metal detector to actually find anything valuable. Any other contribution provided by the dowsing contraption is purely psychological. It's a trick of the mind. :ninja:

[Qiaozhi]

Dedevil - you crossed the line with that last post.
This forum is for the discussion of LRLs, and not for personally abusive comments aimed at other members who do not share your belief system.
Please keep the discussion civil, otherwise you'll have to go and sit on the naughty step.

[Dedevil]

I'm sorry Mr. Devil, but constantly repeating something that is blatantly wrong just doesn't make it right; however many times you say it.

Sadly your posts are a perfect example of "self-delusion". In other words, a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

Personally I have no problem with anyone wanting to experiment with LRLs, or even dowsing, unless the intended result of the experiments is to scam other technically challenged people into parting with their hard-earned money. If you want to go outside and wander about with a couple of bent coat hangers, in the deluded belief that these will somehow point you in the direction of endless riches, then please go ahead. At the end of the day, you will still need a conventional metal detector to actually find anything valuable. Any other contribution provided by the dowsing contraption is purely psychological. It's a trick of the mind. :ninja:

Yes.. Yes.. At last I agree with you, they are " TECHNICALLY CHALLENGED " This is why Carl created the LRL forum so as to leave the coil guys in the slow lane.

TECHNICALLY CHALLENGED! - LUV IT!:lol:

[Dedevil]

Dedevil - you crossed the line with that last post.
This forum is for the discussion of LRLs, and not for personally abusive comments aimed at other members who do not share your belief system.
Please keep the discussion civil, otherwise you'll have to go and sit on the naughty step.

He started it! JP and WM6 have both argued with me. But at least WM6 had the courage to pay out $1million when i showed them that an underground stream had a charge.
Unlike Dave J who ran off to his room, crying.

[J_Player]

There are better narratives to give thought to....Hi Geo,
There are better narrativesto give thought to? What narratives are better?
I look around at different narratives, and I see you posted one that is interesting...
If i remember good, Carl made this site only for LRL believers.
Dave J, what do you want here?????
You can go to Geotech1 and to say all your good ideas and experiences from Fisher.
You have not nothing to say for LRLs. What I find interesting is you remember Carl made this site only for LRL believers.
I wonder how you got that idea.
The purpose of the site has never changed.
It was always open to anyone who wanted to be part of the discussions.

But then I remembered...
Your purpose for being here is threatened by non-believers making posts which do not show the opinion that "LRL really works".
You came here to find as many circuits as you could, then modify them and call them secret circuits which find treasure.
When they don't work very well, then you can make videos to show them only when they are finding treasure.
But the problem comes when people don't believe you are telling true stories to describe LRLs.
When this happens, we see you try to chase them away so nobody will challenge the things you say.
Of course it would be good if the rules of the forum permitted only LRL believers.
This would solve your problem to remove people who think that not all of your posts are true. However, these are not the forum rules.

So how did you remember it to be a forum only for LRL believers?
This is not difficult to understand.
Nearly all LRL believers have developed ways to change the truth in their own mind, so their idea of modified facts will work to support their illusions of LRLs working.
As an example, Dr. hung has modified the facts of electronics to believe that voltage is a flow, which is regulated by current.
Dell Winders has modified the facts of LRLs to believe that dowsing is a geophysical science. etc.
And when people show them they are wrong, they don't like it, yet they continue to believe it in their own minds.

From what I can see, the reason why you are here is to collect glory and prestige from other treasure hunters who will believe you have secret LRLs which really find treasure, which other readers can never have, because you will not tell them how to build their own working version.

It appears Morgan is here for the exact same reason.
In his case, he also seems to be seeking worship from other treasure hunters, to treat him as a great pioneer of LRLs after he copied and modified Esteban and Alonso's designs, which they copied from American engineers who designed early metal detectors.

Then we have the Devil person.
I think Dave found the correct idea in his post above to describe why the Devil person is here.
Sure, he is trying to collect naive followers to believe in his LRL BS. But I would add something that Dave didn't say:
Mr. Devil seems to have serious perceptual problems which prevent him from understanding anything technical which requires actual mathematics and real working electronics.
I think, for this reason, he focuses on technically incapable victims who are looking for a simple explanation that will fit their limited capacity to understand technical things.
This is why we see silly references such as "Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun" are all he has to explain why dowsing really works.
But even more interesting, Mr. Devil has shown he has a good understanding of prospecting for gold which can only come from years of experience.
What is interesting is that he uses his experience in gold prospecting to bolster his preaching about dowsing principles, which have nothing to do with knowledge of prospecting methods.
It reminds me of several LRL manufacturers who try to associate their products with space programs, or important archaeological finds to help convince people their junk reallly works.
Of course a little research shows their contraptions are not part of any space program or archaeological program.

Yes, the narratives by Dave and your narrative turned out to be interesting to me.
What better narratives should I give thought to?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

From what I can see, the reason why you are here is to collect glory and prestige from other treasure hunters who will believe you have secret LRLs which really find treasure, which other readers can never have, because you will not tell them how to build their own working version.

It appears Morgan is here for the exact same reason.
In his case, he also seems to be seeking worship from other treasure hunters, to treat him as a great pioneer of LRLs after he copied and modified Esteban and Alonso's designs, which they copied from American engineers who designed early metal detectors.
Actually, I don't think this part is true. Both Geo and Morgan are convinced that LRLs actually work, based on personal subjective experience, but this is purely for their own interest, and not based on any secret desire to achieve glory. We may not agree with their conclusions, as they also choose not to agree with the skeptics, and that's the way it will most likely continue. We have to accept the fact that these beliefs are hard to change. It is difficult (if not impossible) to prove a negative, and the only thing we can rely on is objective scientific evidence. Since dowsing and LRLs cannot pass a double-blind test, then science will continue to reject the notion of longrange detection using these methods.


Then we have the Devil person.

I can agree with you there. ;)

[J_Player]

Actually, I don't think this part is true. Both Geo and Morgan are convinced that LRLs actually work, based on personal subjective experience, but this is purely for their own interest, and not based on any secret desire to achieve glory. We may not agree with their conclusions, as they also choose not to agree with the skeptics, and that's the way it will most likely continue. We have to accept the fact that these beliefs are hard to change. It is difficult (if not impossible) to prove a negative, and the only thing we can rely on is objective scientific evidence. Since dowsing and LRLs cannot pass a double-blind test, then science will continue to reject the notion of longrange detection using these methods.


I can agree with you there. ;)Of course, both Geo and Morgan are convinced that LRLs actually work. This has nothing to do with their desire to come here to gain glory.
To make it easier to understand, when they first came here, they were only interested in finding good electronic circuitry to copy and modify.
But after they found circuits that showed a response that they could call detection, then suddenly their motives changed.
They were no longer sharing any information which might lead to other treasure hunters building a similar electronic locator.
They were in a position where they were the only people who possessed these locators, and they could show videos to convince many readers they are working.
Neither Geo nor Morgan wanted to give up this elite position of being the only person who has a working LRL.

But rather than to leave after they found the circuits they were looking for, they stayed here posting photos of their "really working" LRLs and treasures that were recovered with them.
For what reason?
They have no intention of telling anyone how they can build a working LRL project to show the results that they are reporting, so why are they showing photos of these LRLs and treasure recoveries?
We see some photos of a long range locator, and a few hints for what parts are used, but the secrets are hidden behind smoke curtains with false data.
This method of forum posts was started in the longrange locator forum in 2006 when Esteban began showing photos, along with tiny thumbnail images of the schematics that cannot be read.
The question arises: Why do these people show photos of thier "working detectors", then tell us they are a secret?
The answer is clear: They are trying to improve their prestige and glory by showing off what they have, but you cannot have. :rolleyes:
What other reason could there be?
BS about trying to help other treasure hunters?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

It’s like going fishing
I was wondering if that grey haired JP was extinct or not.
For the armature fishermen on the forum ;
I just put a little “JP” in the wording, cast it in the forum, and BANG! He’s taken the bait.
Medical Officers Report – Subject = JP – LRL Forum – 15.01.2013
Still able to use a keyboard so he’s not doing so bad. English and motor skills are o.k.
QUOTE: This is why we see silly references such as "Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun" are all he has to explain why dowsing really works. END QUOTE
Although unable to read through and remember other statements JP “picks” out sentences and quotes and uses them in reference to make his thoughts seam clearer to himself With additional thoughts that he has a new physical explanation of the Universe that is unknown to modern day science and does not wish to explain to others this theory, I therefor conclude that; He is obviously spending far too much time indoors and needs some fresh air.

OR
The Universe Does Revolve Around JP.
A recent study of JP’s hair comb has shown increasing numbers of hair. This can only be explained by the mass/ charge ratio and shows that the universal matter revolves around JP to such a force that it actually dislodges the hair follicles from his head. Isn’t science wonderful!
What i find interesting are his comments like;
Quote; What is interesting is that he uses his experience in gold prospecting to bolster his preaching about dowsing principles, which have nothing to do with knowledge of prospecting methods. END QUOTE
This shows that although being an educated man he either did not pay attention to things like the French Revolution in history classes at school or, is suffering from m em o r y l o s s.
What’s your thoughts?

[Fred]

Unless demonstrated wrong, your text looks very pertinent JP :)

Of course, both Geo and Morgan are convinced that LRLs actually work. This has nothing to do with their desire to come here to gain glory.
To make it easier to understand, when they first came here, they were only interested in finding good electronic circuitry to copy and modify.
But after they found circuits that showed a response that they could call detection, then suddenly their motives changed.
They were no longer sharing any information which might lead to other treasure hunters building a similar electronic locator.
They were in a position where they were the only people who possessed these locators, and they could show videos to convince many readers they are working.
Neither Geo nor Morgan wanted to give up this elite position of being the only person who has a working LRL.

But rather than to leave after they found the circuits they were looking for, they stayed here posting photos of their "really working" LRLs and treasures that were recovered with them.
For what reason?
They have no intention of telling anyone how they can build a working LRL project to show the results that they are reporting, so why are they showing photos of these LRLs and treasure recoveries?
We see some photos of a long range locator, and a few hints for what parts are used, but the secrets are hidden behind smoke curtains with false data.
This method of forum posts was started in the longrange locator forum in 2006 when Esteban began showing photos, along with tiny thumbnail images of the schematics that cannot be read.
The question arises: Why do these people show photos of thier "working detectors", then tell us they are a secret?
The answer is clear: They are trying to improve their prestige and glory by showing off what they have, but you cannot have. :rolleyes:
What other reason could there be?
BS about trying to help other treasure hunters?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Finally the masks:ninja: dropped. I've said several times that I'm just a treasure hunter. I never took advantage of my knowledge in order to gain something from other members by selling some lrl devices. Unlike some members of lrl companies that want to get out of the forums so they can write and sell whatever they want. Do you agree J-P??? Do you agree Cryfton company member???;;:???:

[J_Player]

Finally the masks:ninja: dropped. I've said several times that I'm just a treasure hunter. I never took advantage of my knowledge in order to gain something from other members by selling some lrl devices. Unlike some members of lrl companies that want to get out of the forums so they can write and sell whatever they want. Do you agree J-P??? Do you agree Cryfton company member???;;:???:Hi Geo,
I have made no comments to say you are selling LRLs. These words are only in your post, not in mine.

My post says is the reason you remain here is to collect glory and prestige.
I can prove you gained information from members of this forum to build some of your LRLs.
Even you admitted you have no further reason to spend time building LRLs because you have many working LRLs:
"I decided to stop any constuction about LRL.
The reason.... i have many workable lrls so no reason to spend more time for them.
It is time for more treasure hunting so to "see" the results of lrls. Also there are a lot of other things to spend my time".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142106&postcount=1

Considering you no longer need any circuits to build more LRLs, and you no longer need help from other members to show you how to debug your circuits, then the question remains:
Why do you post photos of your "working detectors", then tell us they are a secret?
In fact, why are you here at all, if you already have many working LRLs and want more time for treasure hunting?
Do you post photos of your secret locators to collect glory, or is there a different reason?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[WM6]

The Universe Does Revolve Around JP.



How do you know? Are you Universe?

Or this is only one more unproven statement from you?

[Qiaozhi]

The title of this thread is NE555 VLF transmitter.
I think this is getting a little bit off topic.

[J_Player]

The title of this thread is NE555 VLF transmitter.
I think this is getting a little bit off topic.Hi Qiaozhi,
Of course it's off topic.
But it was intended to be off topic after the first post by Mr. Devil, when he decided to hijack the topic of NE555 VLF transmitter and divert it to a discussion of dowsing:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144866&postcount=10

However, this circuit has no value to a treasure hunter, so hijacking the thread doesn't make any difference except to delusional people or retards who believe this VLF stuff works.
Dave pointed this out early on: "The circuit doesn't have anything to do with locating metals or minerals-- unless you want to pretend that it does".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144870&postcount=13

But when Mr. Devil took offense, he opened even a new topic for discussion and asked Dave "why are you here?"
Of course Dave obliged him and told his reasons for being here, which apparently caused minor consternation to Mr. Devil.
Then Mr. Devil proceeded to elaborate on his diatribe of how static charges in buried water and the sun cause dowsing to work, as a technique to gather a worshiper.
After Dave acknowledged that Mr. Devil captured his convert, Geo entered the discussion to re-open the topic of "why are you here".
Then Carl came and set Geo straight about the purpose of the forum, and at the same time confirmed that the topic of "why are you here" is okay, when he a recommended "Mr. J has a narrative that even the most ardent LRL disciple oughta read and give a little thought to". http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144905&postcount=32

In the course of this thread, we see it is no different than any other longrangelocaor thread, which meanders off-topic at the whim of the people who post, and is encouraged by the owner of the forum.
I may do things differently in forums where I am admin, but for this forum, I believe the owner has the best idea of how he wants it to run.
So let the party continue! :cool:

Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

In fact, why are you here at all, if you already have many working LRLs and want more time for treasure hunting?

Best wishes, :)
J_P


Hi. At Greece now is winter so no good weather for treasure hunting.
Maybe i am here to read your posts.....

Regards

[Dedevil]

Hi Qiaozhi,
Of course it's off topic.
But it was intended to be off topic after the first post by Mr. Devil, when he decided to hijack the topic of NE555 VLF transmitter and divert it to a discussion of dowsing:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144866&postcount=10

However, this circuit has no value to a treasure hunter, so hijacking the thread doesn't make any difference except to delusional people or retards who believe this VLF stuff works.
Dave pointed this out early on: "The circuit doesn't have anything to do with locating metals or minerals-- unless you want to pretend that it does".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144870&postcount=13

But when Mr. Devil took offense, he opened even a new topic for discussion and asked Dave "why are you here?"
Of course Dave obliged him and told his reasons for being here, which apparently caused minor consternation to Mr. Devil.
Then Mr. Devil proceeded to elaborate on his diatribe of how static charges in buried water and the sun cause dowsing to work, as a technique to gather a worshiper.
After Dave acknowledged that Mr. Devil captured his convert, Geo entered the discussion to re-open the topic of "why are you here".
Then Carl came and set Geo straight about the purpose of the forum, and at the same time confirmed that the topic of "why are you here" is okay, when he a recommended "Mr. J has a narrative that even the most ardent LRL disciple oughta read and give a little thought to". http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144905&postcount=32

In the course of this thread, we see it is no different than any other longrangelocaor thread, which meanders off-topic at the whim of the people who post, and is encouraged by the owner of the forum.
I may do things differently in forums where I am admin, but for this forum, I believe the owner has the best idea of how he wants it to run.
So let the party continue! :cool:

Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Can you read?

The question of what this circuit does was asked by Metaldude.
If you and Dave are so sure that dowsing and vlf doesnt work then tell us why
WITH A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION. Not just a comment like it couldn't possibly work.
Tell us why. Is it because charges of electrification are a delusional thought?
I guess then televisions also dont work and are a delusional trick of the mind.

Why are you here is a good question. Dave, although so... sure that it doesnt work cant substantiate his comments and runs of crying.
WM6 has given the viewers here a circuit with no secrets.
So tell us all JP Why wont it work? Let the party continue if you can party that is. Or is it time for your milk and cookie and a napp napp.

rgds

[Dave J.]

The circuit in question will find gold, if you only "believe".

And that's not all it can do. Mr. Devil, you know the whole story about such things, you've studied it well, it's ancient knowledge that predates electronics.

The circuit in question is equally competent to turn a stone into bread, if you only "believe".

It is equally competent to give you power to control other people, if you only "believe".

It is equally competent to insure that if you jump off a cliff, you'll have a soft landing, no splat, if you only "believe".

It is just as well designed to do all those things, as it is to find gold.

Amazing little circuit, isn't it? Thanks to its electronics, it got a lot more traction here than your biodegradable half a dead fish did.

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

The circuit in question will find gold, if you only "believe".

And that's not all it can do. Mr. Devil, you know the whole story about such things, you've studied it well, it's ancient knowledge that predates electronics.

The circuit in question is equally competent to turn a stone into bread, if you only "believe".

It is equally competent to give you power to control other people, if you only "believe".

It is equally competent to insure that if you jump off a cliff, you'll have a soft landing, no splat, if you only "believe".

It is just as well designed to do all those things, as it is to find gold.

Amazing little circuit, isn't it? Thanks to its electronics, it got a lot more traction here than your biodegradable half a dead fish did.

--Dave J.

Great scientific explanation! "BELIEVE", WOW that's a BIG WORD.
I am now cured of what you call my delusional state of mind because I believe.
I believe in televisions.
I believe in radios.
I believe in computers.

I USE BIG WORDS NOW. I'M A BELIEVER.

But the question was my little "technically challenged friend"

WHAT IS THE SCIENCE BEHIND BELIEVING?

Please explain with constructive scientific comments that actually add to the forum and not just babble off your new BIG word for the day.

Here's a start;

This circuit can't possibly charge the enviroment around it because of the following reasons.....Dave J.

Come on let's hear it Dave.

rgds

[J_Player]

Can you read?

The question of what this circuit does was asked by Metaldude.
If you and Dave are so sure that dowsing and vlf doesnt work then tell us why
WITH A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION. Not just a comment like it couldn't possibly work.
Tell us why. Is it because charges of electrification are a delusional thought?
I guess then televisions also dont work and are a delusional trick of the mind.

Why are you here is a good question. Dave, although so... sure that it doesnt work cant substantiate his comments and runs of crying.
WM6 has given the viewers here a circuit with no secrets.
So tell us all JP Why wont it work? Let the party continue if you can party that is. Or is it time for your milk and cookie and a napp napp.

rgdsWell, well, Mr. Devil, you make many mistakes in your pompous presumptions:
I have not made any comments concerning whether dowsing works, nor do I have any intention of defending comments I did not make.

My comment was concerning this VLF stuff - particularly the VLF circuit shown above.
I say it does not work to do anything other than to generate a series of poorly formed VLF pulses.
It seems to me that concept of "believe" must be used in order for this circuit to locate buried treasure. :rolleyes:
I know it is delusional to believe it does something different than generate a series of poorly formed VLF pulses because I know the purpose it was designed for.

But why take my word for it?
Here is what the designer of this circuit said:
"Proposed circuit generate bursts of selected frequency.
purpose of this circuit is, as previous stated, VLF transmitter (very important thing in some sort of electronic dowsing)".

People who have an understanding of electronics know that WM6 intentionally designed this circuit as a poor adaptation of a 555 timer which uses a minimal parts count to accommodate people who are not capable of building advanced electronic circuitry.
They also know that WM6 does not use this circuit for treasure hunting, because he knows it is utterly useless to him.
It is simply a circuit he proposed as a gift to people who want a diagram for a very simple VLF transmitter that they can build easily.

However, I could be wrong.
Why not ask WM6 if he uses this circuit for his treasure hunting?
Why not ask him if he believes this VLF transmitter and dowsing rods will help him to find treasure?
Why not ask WM6 how much treasure he recovered when using this circuit?

Are you afraid to learn the answer that the designer of this circuit will give?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Dave J.]

If you "believe" in television, you're delusional. The things really do exist and they really do work, regardless of belief or disbelief. If on the other hand you believe that television is God Almighty delivering you personal messages from Pluto, that would be in the category of "belief"-- and delusional.

That 555 circuit is just as good at turning stones into bread as it is at locating gold.

So, Mr. Devil, what do you believe about it?

Hung, Dell, Mikey Montany, Morgan, Geo, none of y'all gonna defend this stupid little 555 circuit? Mr. Devil is gonna have to carry the ball all by himself? It won't happen. You know he's been jerking y'all around with bullcarp from the very beginning, you knew what he was the whole time, he's laughing at y'all a lot harder than I've been. If nobody is willing to make a case that this little 555 circuit is any better at finding gold than I say it is, looks like we can toss it out as worthless. Other than for fantasy, in which case a cow pie may work just as well as the circuit, just invoke "belief".

--Dave J.

[WM6]

Why not ask WM6 if he uses this circuit for his treasure hunting?
Why not ask him if he believes this VLF transmitter and dowsing rods will help him to find treasure?
Why not ask WM6 how much treasure he recovered when using this circuit?

Are you afraid to learn the answer that the designer of this circuit will give?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P

I am not use this TX circuit for treasure hunting, but I swear, that this TX circuit (in conjunction with VLF receiver from other tread) works as well as any mineoro LRL crap, or rangertell crap, or H3Tec crap and any other LRL crap. Even better, cause my VLF receiver offer you real hunting melody instead of boring tone signal. What you wish more?

[Dedevil]

If you "believe" in television, you're delusional. The things really do exist and they really do work, regardless of belief or disbelief. If on the other hand you believe that television is God Almighty delivering you personal messages from Pluto, that would be in the category of "belief"-- and delusional.

That 555 circuit is just as good at turning stones into bread as it is at locating gold.

So, Mr. Devil, what do you believe about it?

Hung, Dell, Mikey Montany, Morgan, Geo, none of y'all gonna defend this stupid little 555 circuit? Mr. Devil is gonna have to carry the ball all by himself? It won't happen. You know he's been jerking y'all around with bullcarp from the very beginning, you knew what he was the whole time, he's laughing at y'all a lot harder than I've been. If nobody is willing to make a case that this little 555 circuit is any better at finding gold than I say it is, looks like we can toss it out as worthless. Other than for fantasy, in which case a cow pie may work just as well as the circuit, just invoke "belief".

--Dave J.

I dont see any scientific explanation of why it cant work here Dave just YOUR usual BS.
Explain to us your thoughts on what it would do to a gold nugget in the area.

[Dedevil]

Well, well, Mr. Devil, you make many mistakes in your pompous presumptions:
I have not made any comments concerning whether dowsing works, nor do I have any intention of defending comments I did not make.

My comment was concerning this VLF stuff - particularly the VLF circuit shown above.
I say it does not work to do anything other than to generate a series of poorly formed VLF pulses.
It seems to me that concept of "believe" must be used in order for this circuit to locate buried treasure. :rolleyes:
I know it is delusional to believe it does something different than generate a series of poorly formed VLF pulses because I know the purpose it was designed for.

But why take my word for it?
Here is what the designer of this circuit said:
"Proposed circuit generate bursts of selected frequency.
purpose of this circuit is, as previous stated, VLF transmitter (very important thing in some sort of electronic dowsing)".

People who have an understanding of electronics know that WM6 intentionally designed this circuit as a poor adaptation of a 555 timer which uses a minimal parts count to accommodate people who are not capable of building advanced electronic circuitry.
They also know that WM6 does not use this circuit for treasure hunting, because he knows it is utterly useless to him.
It is simply a circuit he proposed as a gift to people who want a diagram for a very simple VLF transmitter that they can build easily.

However, I could be wrong.
Why not ask WM6 if he uses this circuit for his treasure hunting?
Why not ask him if he believes this VLF transmitter and dowsing rods will help him to find treasure?
Why not ask WM6 how much treasure he recovered when using this circuit?

Are you afraid to learn the answer that the designer of this circuit will give?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Your not a Lion trainer your a lying barstod. You have made heaps of comments of why dowsing doesn't work.

But tell us your thoughts on what this cct would do to a gold nugget close by.

rgds

[Dave J.]

Mr. Devil has offered no scientific explanation why the stupid little circuit cannot

1. turn stones into bread.

2. give you the power to control people.

3. give you the ability to take a flying leap off the Statue of Liberty and not splat on impact.

Nor has he offered any explanation why half a dead fish cannot do the same things.

*******************

It's fast becoming obvious that the LRL'ers here know perfectly well that the stupid little 555 circuit is worthless. Not even Mr. Devil is willing to provide any reason to believe the thing is useful for any purpose whatsoever.

Evidently we're all in agreement that the damn thing is worthless.

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

I have already explained to Metaldude in this thread what it is useful for with a scientific explanation.

So we are all still waiting for your scientific explanation of why it doesnt work and not this bread and stones BS.

[J_Player]

I have already explained to Metaldude in this thread what it is useful for with a scientific explanation.

So we are all still waiting for your scientific explanation of why it doesnt work and not this bread and stones BS.Well, Mr. Devil,
Your game's over. Nobody is interested in your crap any more.
It looks like you will have to explain what wonderful things this circuit does all on your own.
But there's help... WM6 who designed this circuit posted an answer to the three questions I posed.
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144937&postcount=55
That should give you some good hints for how to explain what the circuit does.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dave J.]

Don't wanna hear any more about that stones to bread BS? You been busted, dude!

If you want a scientific explanation why banana peels won't keep you from splatting from a flying leap off the Statue of Liberty, you don't have to go to hell to wait. After all, you say you're already there. Enjoy the wait. Your choice.

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

Well, Mr. Devil,
Your game's over. Nobody is interested in your crap any more.
It looks like you will have to explain what wonderful things this circuit does all on your own.
But there's help... WM6 who designed this circuit posted an answer to the three questions I posed.
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144937&postcount=55
That should give you some good hints for how to explain what the circuit does.


Best wishes, :)
J_P


It was just a simple test to see if JP was actually the centre of the universe.
It was simple, put a large charge next to him and see if his teeth fall out.
The test was a complete success with the result of JP's teeth falling out and he could not speak in simple scientifc english why it wont work and so JP gave up.

Isn't science wonderful
rgds

[Dedevil]

Don't wanna hear any more about that stones to bread BS? You been busted, dude!

If you want a scientific explanation why banana peels won't keep you from splatting from a flying leap off the Statue of Liberty, you don't have to go to hell to wait. After all, you say you're already there. Enjoy the wait. Your choice.

--Dave J.

As i stated earlier "he's having a few problems" best to ignore him.

Now that we are back on track. Let's talk about how WM6's circuit can help us find minerals like gold.

rgds

[Dedevil]

So the electromagnetic pulses from WM6's generator will transmit an electromagnetic wave to a gold nugget in the area. And as Gold Au197 has a tendancy to take in electrons it will become more negative. Similar to the flouro lights i have in my workshop. Sometimes you may notice a slight glow from a flouro at night even when it is switched off. This is because the gas inside it has not fully discharged. The same effect happens when we excite gold with a transmission and then turn the transmission off. The gold after accepting more electrons is now more negative and has a type of afterglow. This glow is not in our eyesight range of detection and so a detector that detects electrification charge and converts this into a signal that we can see with our eyes ( usually a meter) is required.

rgds

[Dedevil]

:lol:

[Dedevil]

Hi. At Greece now is winter so no good weather for treasure hunting.
Maybe i am here to read your posts.....

Regards

Come to Victoria - Australia for a treasure hunting holiday. It's 35-40c and Hot!
This nugget was just found.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/15862930/lucky-prospector-finds-huge-gold-nugget/

You can come gold hunting with me and bring your lrl's for a field trial.

Heaps of gold around here and more Greeks in Melbourne than in Greece.:thumb:

rgds

[Qiaozhi]

Come to Victoria - Australia for a treasure hunting holiday. It's 35-40c and Hot!
This nugget was just found.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/15862930/lucky-prospector-finds-huge-gold-nugget/

You can come gold hunting with me and bring your lrl's for a field trial.

Heaps of gold around here and more Greeks in Melbourne than in Greece.:thumb:

rgds
According to you, this is supposed to be a scam. Now you're promoting this as an LRL holiday opportunity. :razz:

[Geo]

Come to Victoria - Australia for a treasure hunting holiday. It's 35-40c and Hot!
This nugget was just found.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/15862930/lucky-prospector-finds-huge-gold-nugget/

You can come gold hunting with me and bring your lrl's for a field trial.

Heaps of gold around here and more Greeks in Melbourne than in Greece.:thumb:

rgds

Hi Dedevil.
Unfortunately, at this time my finances do not allow me such a trip.
Really It was a good opportunity to see if my lrls works in the terrain of Australia.

Regards:)

[Dedevil]

According to you, this is supposed to be a scam. Now you're promoting this as an LRL holiday opportunity. :razz:

Not a scam where i go (see the field trip thread) This is shallow ground near but away from Ballarat. Some surface nuggets have been large in Ballarat but this one isn't. It's a deep lead nugget, you can tell by the roundness.

It's like looking at a new born baby. If both parents are Greek, for example, and the baby pops out with asian eye's then something is out of place. Someone is having an affair!

Coil Sales Scammers!

My spot is fairly shallow @ 1- 3 meters so great testing ground for Geo's "secret weapons". If he wants to go deeper there is bigger nuggets at 10 meters, but he must bring his shovel! And do the digging!

rgds

[Dedevil]

Hi Dedevil.
Unfortunately, at this time my finances do not allow me such a trip.
Really It was a good opportunity to see if my lrls works in the terrain of Australia.

Regards:)

I'm just setting this site up as a full time job. What better to do, but your hobbie? It doesn't feel like work and hopefully will pay better than a job. Give me a couple of months to set up and then i will pay for your LRL advice with the airfair. I can claim it on tax! The accomadation in the bush is very basic,... but it's a holiday! Not work.
And we have Greek restaurants and ouzo!!!

I have read a book detailing what the early miners did and will send it to you. Are you still at the same "secret adress" where you keep your secret TIME DETECTOR?

[Fred]

Just to keep it on-topic (And on the technical side)

[Dave J.]

Thanks, Fred.

The linear CMOS version has been around for over 30 years, and is so much nicer. I've used 'em many times in metal detecting apparatus that actually works. Unlike the schematic above which doesn't have anything to do with detecting metals.

--Dave J.

[Geo]

I'm just setting this site up as a full time job. What better to do, but your hobbie? It doesn't feel like work and hopefully will pay better than a job. Give me a couple of months to set up and then i will pay for your LRL advice with the airfair. I can claim it on tax! The accomadation in the bush is very basic,... but it's a holiday! Not work.
And we have Greek restaurants and ouzo!!!

I have read a book detailing what the early miners did and will send it to you. Are you still at the same "secret adress" where you keep your secret TIME DETECTOR?

Hi Dedevil.
Yes i have the same "secret adress". Only you and Carl know it.:lol:

Regards:)

btw... be careful with ouzo!!!. It made me 30 kg heaviest.
:cheers:

[Dedevil]

Just to keep it on-topic (And on the technical side)

That's just a timer. Geo has a LRL time detector! Keep it secret Geo there's Geotech1 spy's watching.

[Fred]

That's just a timer. Geo has a LRL time detector! Keep it secret Geo there's Geotech1 spy's watching.

Is it ? You know, just as a coat hanger needs a human mind to "work", and LRL believers needs fans, this timer needs a few components around it to feel happy :D

Congratulation Geo for owning a secret watch :)

[J_Player]

Is it ? You know, just as a coat hanger needs a human mind to "work", and LRL believers needs fans, this timer needs a few components around it to feel happy :D

Congratulation Geo for owning a secret watch :)Human mind? :???:
I thought it was all explained above -- dowsing and the VLF pulsing circuit above work by static electricity!
primitive men from prehistoric Australia would be amazed to hear this explanation.
Even modern scientists would be amazed to learn this, so they could publish results from a new science which has not been published before.

Let's review:
To summarize, dowsing works by your heart creating electrical signals which charge up your body to cause you to become electrified.
Then your electrified body charge will transfer to a dowsing rod, which causes the dowsing rod to pull strongly towards any other object which has an opposite electrical charge (underground water, for example, or buried gold).
By tunrning on the VLF pulse generator we see above, VLF waves energize gold so it will develop a negative electric charge, which causes the gold to become attracted to your dowsing rod.

The technical details are here:
Heart-charging to create static electricity - technical details:
"I tried this meditating type of divining once, and funny enough a mosquito came along.
Without moving a muscle I put all my thoughts and energy into the shoulder it was about to bite me on.
I could hear it getting closer and closer then ZAP! I had charged up so much that i discharged onto the mosquito!
The discharge didnt kill the mosquito like a bug zapper would but it flew off making a strange sound".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144866&postcount=10

Watch the force from heart-charged spring rod bend in pulsating oscillations as your heart pulses between heartbeats:
"If you liked the L rod divining try a spring rod.
Although your body has a charge, it also fluctuates with the electrical impulses of your hearts muscles.
So your bodies overall charge actually beats! Just like a light being swithed on and off.
With a spring rod you can actually see this change in electrification as it will bend towards the underground streams at heart beat rate".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144894&postcount=25

Heart-charged static electricity causes a dowsing rod to align with opposite charge in flowing underground water - technical details:
"Water ( H20 ) has a net overall tendancy to be positively charged while gold (Au197 ) has a tendancy to be negetivley charged.
A phenomina called the triboelectric effect.
The human body has a tendancy to try and stay neautral but is normally - ve charged.
This is why a diviner using L rods will have the rods cross over as they go over an underground stream.
The rods are being attracted to the +ve plate of the top of the underground water.
If the diviner then stops and sticks one L rod in the ground the other L rod will point like a compass to the path of least resistance that the water is flowing in".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144890&postcount=21

A better way to implement the electrification in a "spring rod" type dowsing rod:
"Once you've tried it, try this. Hold the spring rod out and without saying anything just ask it how far to the stream?
Then start counting up in meters or centimeters in your head.
As your count gets closer and closer to the water your heartbeat will also change in rate, slightly, giving an overall accuracy to the water.
It's very accurate!"
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144894&postcount=25

Deep technical explanation to prove electrostatic charge causes weakly charged ground water to be attracted to the "more negative" oceans:
"Think of our universe and the centre of attraction, the sun.
The sun has a huge amount of nuclear explosions happening and according to our science knowledge produces protons (+ve charges) from these explosions.
So the sun can be called overall positive "+ve".
Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun.
Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans. A smaller stream has less mass than the oceans.
Less mass means less +ve. and so the streams now become -ve with reference to the oceans. like 5 for oceans and 5-1(4) for streams.
Less mass less charge".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144892&postcount=23

VLF transmitter technical details:
"The mosquito VLF transmitter should be placed in a stationary position while the dowser walks around:
...in this case the Vlf transmitter would stay in one place and powered by generator or solar and therefor WM6's choice of a TTL 555 is excellent".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144891&postcount=22

The VLF pulse transmitter we see above will induce an electric charge in a piece of gold - technical details:
"So the electromagnetic pulses from WM6's generator will transmit an electromagnetic wave to a gold nugget in the area.
And as Gold Au197 has a tendancy to take in electrons it will become more negative".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144953&postcount=64

The VLF pulse transmitter we see above will cause a piece of gold to glow,even after you turn off the transmitter, but the glow will not be in the range of normal eyesight:
"Similar to the flouro lights i have in my workshop.
Sometimes you may notice a slight glow from a flouro at night even when it is switched off.
This is because the gas inside it has not fully discharged.
The same effect happens when we excite gold with a transmission and then turn the transmission off.
The gold after accepting more electrons is now more negative and has a type of afterglow.
This glow is not in our eyesight range of detection and so a detector that detects electrification charge and converts this into a signal that we can see with our eyes ( usually a meter) is required".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144953&postcount=64


It seems we have a lot of hints about how the transmitter above causes gold to become detectable.
If we are to use this transmitter as Mr. Devil instructed us, then we set it on the ground and walk about with dowsing rods.
But there are missing details which we must know before we can actually use it to detect gold, or demonstrate this science.

Here are the questions we must know before we can make it work properly:
1. "So the electromagnetic pulses from WM6's generator will transmit an electromagnetic wave to a gold nugget in the area.
And as Gold Au197 has a tendancy to take in electrons it will become more negative".
The question is: How big a search area radius we can work in around the transmitter?
In other words, how far away from the transmitter and how deep will the gold become electrified so we can find it with dowsing rods?
2. For testing purposes to insure the transmitter is working ok, we wiill need to check how much voltage the transmitter has electrified into a sample gold target.
The question is: How much voltage should we be able to measure at a large mens gold ring placed on the ground 1 meter distance from the transmitter?
3. "Sometimes you may notice a slight glow from a flouro at night even when it is switched off.
This is because the gas inside it has not fully discharged.
The same effect happens when we excite gold with a transmission and then turn the transmission off.
The gold after accepting more electrons is now more negative and has a type of afterglow.
This glow is not in our eyesight range of detection and so a detector that detects electrification charge and converts this into a signal that we can see with our eyes ( usually a meter) is required".
We know Mr. Devil told us gold does not glow in the 400-700 nm range of human vision.
The question is: In what range does gold glow when we turn on the transmitter shown above?
4. "Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans".
This raises the question: What material must we use for dowsing rods? Are there any materials we should avoid for the proper ve charge?
5. "I had charged up so much that i discharged onto the mosquito!
The discharge didnt kill the mosquito like a bug zapper would but it flew off making a strange sound".
The question is: How much voltage is developed in your body when you zap a mosquito enough to scare him away?
Is this similar to the amount of voltage you send to the dowsing rod when dowsing?
6. How will we know when we locate a buried gold nugget?
The question is: How much force will we feel from the ve charges attracting? Will we feel kilograms? grams? micrograms?
7. This is an amazing new science.
The question is: Are the above explanations of how VLF and dowsing work by electrification charges a science, or is it only opinions?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Fred]

Nice pearls JP, i am not sure all this deserves so much time but it made me laugh :)
Picturing the mosquito´s zapping shoulder was cool.

[Dedevil]

:examine:examine:examineHuman mind? :???:
I thought it was all explained above -- dowsing and the VLF pulsing circuit above work by static electricity!
primitive men from prehistoric Australia would be amazed to hear this explanation.
Even modern scientists would be amazed to learn this, so they could publish results from a new science which has not been published before.

Let's review:
To summarize, dowsing works by your heart creating electrical signals which charge up your body to cause you to become electrified.
Then your electrified body charge will transfer to a dowsing rod, which causes the dowsing rod to pull strongly towards any other object which has an opposite electrical charge (underground water, for example, or buried gold).
By tunrning on the VLF pulse generator we see above, VLF waves energize gold so it will develop a negative electric charge, which causes the gold to become attracted to your dowsing rod.

The technical details are here:
Heart-charging to create static electricity - technical details:
"I tried this meditating type of divining once, and funny enough a mosquito came along.
Without moving a muscle I put all my thoughts and energy into the shoulder it was about to bite me on.
I could hear it getting closer and closer then ZAP! I had charged up so much that i discharged onto the mosquito!
The discharge didnt kill the mosquito like a bug zapper would but it flew off making a strange sound".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144866&postcount=10

Watch the force from heart-charged spring rod bend in pulsating oscillations as your heart pulses between heartbeats:
"If you liked the L rod divining try a spring rod.
Although your body has a charge, it also fluctuates with the electrical impulses of your hearts muscles.
So your bodies overall charge actually beats! Just like a light being swithed on and off.
With a spring rod you can actually see this change in electrification as it will bend towards the underground streams at heart beat rate".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144894&postcount=25

Heart-charged static electricity causes a dowsing rod to align with opposite charge in flowing underground water - technical details:
"Water ( H20 ) has a net overall tendancy to be positively charged while gold (Au197 ) has a tendancy to be negetivley charged.
A phenomina called the triboelectric effect.
The human body has a tendancy to try and stay neautral but is normally - ve charged.
This is why a diviner using L rods will have the rods cross over as they go over an underground stream.
The rods are being attracted to the +ve plate of the top of the underground water.
If the diviner then stops and sticks one L rod in the ground the other L rod will point like a compass to the path of least resistance that the water is flowing in".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144890&postcount=21

A better way to implement the electrification in a "spring rod" type dowsing rod:
"Once you've tried it, try this. Hold the spring rod out and without saying anything just ask it how far to the stream?
Then start counting up in meters or centimeters in your head.
As your count gets closer and closer to the water your heartbeat will also change in rate, slightly, giving an overall accuracy to the water.
It's very accurate!"
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144894&postcount=25

Deep technical explanation to prove electrostatic charge causes weakly charged ground water to be attracted to the "more negative" oceans:
"Think of our universe and the centre of attraction, the sun.
The sun has a huge amount of nuclear explosions happening and according to our science knowledge produces protons (+ve charges) from these explosions.
So the sun can be called overall positive "+ve".
Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun.
Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans. A smaller stream has less mass than the oceans.
Less mass means less +ve. and so the streams now become -ve with reference to the oceans. like 5 for oceans and 5-1(4) for streams.
Less mass less charge".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144892&postcount=23

VLF transmitter technical details:
"The mosquito VLF transmitter should be placed in a stationary position while the dowser walks around:
...in this case the Vlf transmitter would stay in one place and powered by generator or solar and therefor WM6's choice of a TTL 555 is excellent".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144891&postcount=22

The VLF pulse transmitter we see above will induce an electric charge in a piece of gold - technical details:
"So the electromagnetic pulses from WM6's generator will transmit an electromagnetic wave to a gold nugget in the area.
And as Gold Au197 has a tendancy to take in electrons it will become more negative".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144953&postcount=64

The VLF pulse transmitter we see above will cause a piece of gold to glow,even after you turn off the transmitter, but the glow will not be in the range of normal eyesight:
"Similar to the flouro lights i have in my workshop.
Sometimes you may notice a slight glow from a flouro at night even when it is switched off.
This is because the gas inside it has not fully discharged.
The same effect happens when we excite gold with a transmission and then turn the transmission off.
The gold after accepting more electrons is now more negative and has a type of afterglow.
This glow is not in our eyesight range of detection and so a detector that detects electrification charge and converts this into a signal that we can see with our eyes ( usually a meter) is required".
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=144953&postcount=64


It seems we have a lot of hints about how the transmitter above causes gold to become detectable.
If we are to use this transmitter as Mr. Devil instructed us, then we set it on the ground and walk about with dowsing rods.
But there are missing details which we must know before we can actually use it to detect gold, or demonstrate this science.

Here are the questions we must know before we can make it work properly:
1. "So the electromagnetic pulses from WM6's generator will transmit an electromagnetic wave to a gold nugget in the area.
And as Gold Au197 has a tendancy to take in electrons it will become more negative".
The question is: How big a search area radius we can work in around the transmitter?
In other words, how far away from the transmitter and how deep will the gold become electrified so we can find it with dowsing rods?
2. For testing purposes to insure the transmitter is working ok, we wiill need to check how much voltage the transmitter has electrified into a sample gold target.
The question is: How much voltage should we be able to measure at a large mens gold ring placed on the ground 1 meter distance from the transmitter?
3. "Sometimes you may notice a slight glow from a flouro at night even when it is switched off.
This is because the gas inside it has not fully discharged.
The same effect happens when we excite gold with a transmission and then turn the transmission off.
The gold after accepting more electrons is now more negative and has a type of afterglow.
This glow is not in our eyesight range of detection and so a detector that detects electrification charge and converts this into a signal that we can see with our eyes ( usually a meter) is required".
We know Mr. Devil told us gold does not glow in the 400-700 nm range of human vision.
The question is: In what range does gold glow when we turn on the transmitter shown above?
4. "Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans".
This raises the question: What material must we use for dowsing rods? Are there any materials we should avoid for the proper ve charge?
5. "I had charged up so much that i discharged onto the mosquito!
The discharge didnt kill the mosquito like a bug zapper would but it flew off making a strange sound".
The question is: How much voltage is developed in your body when you zap a mosquito enough to scare him away?
Is this similar to the amount of voltage you send to the dowsing rod when dowsing?
6. How will we know when we locate a buried gold nugget?
The question is: How much force will we feel from the ve charges attracting? Will we feel kilograms? grams? micrograms?
7. This is an amazing new science.
The question is: Are the above explanations of how VLF and dowsing work by electrification charges a science, or is it only opinions?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

I thought JP might have some scientific answers of why this can't work? Instead he is just asking more and more questions. Why? Is he a slow learner? or technically challenged? Well what ever he is, he definatley has his homework to do in answering why or why not with science. Cant wait to check his answers.
Hope he puts his teeth back in and actually answers and doesn't just mumble more TOOTHLESS QUESTIONS.:lol:

rgds

[J_Player]

:examine:examine:examine

I thought JP might have some scientific answers of why this can't work? Instead he is just asking more and more questions. Why? Is he a slow learner? or technically challenged? Well what ever he is, he definatley has his homework to do in answering why or why not with science. Cant wait to check his answers.
Hope he puts his teeth back in and actually answers and doesn't just mumble more TOOTHLESS QUESTIONS.:lol:

rgdsWell it looks like you thought wrong again Mr. Devil,
Actually I have no reasons to propose for why it can't work.
I have only questions to find out the missing parts you did not tell.

The science you explained seems new, and nobody has tested the WM6 transmitter yet, not even him.
Yet you proceeded to tell us what this transmitter above will do to a piece of gold.
And now, it appears you don't know what you are talking about.
It appears you simply made up all that stuff, as evidenced by your inability to answer simple questions about the "electrified gold" and the range of this transmitter in your lectures above.

Now, the rest of the world who reads this forum is left with the idea that it is not worth building this transmitter if the only expert who says it works cannot even tell them what range their treasure hunting area is, or what frequency the gold will be glowing after it is electrified by the VLF transmitter.
They have discovered you can't tell them what voltage the gold will charge to, or how much force they should feel on the dowsing rod from this electrification.
Maybe they are wondering if this is simply stuff the Devil made up, or if he really knows what frequencies and detection range, and how much electrostatic force this transmitter develops in a remote piece of gold.

But not me....
I know it must be real science, because the Devil said so. 8)
Or am I wrong about that?


Best wishes, :)
J_P
____________________________________________
P.S. The missing questions you can't answer are:
1. How big a search area radius we can work in around the transmitter?
2. How much voltage should we be able to measure at a large mens gold ring placed on the ground 1 meter distance from the transmitter?
3. In what range does gold glow when we turn on the transmitter shown above?
4. How much voltage is developed in your body when you zap a mosquito with enough to scare him away?
Is this similar to the amount of voltage you send to the dowsing rod when dowsing?
6. How much force will we feel in the dowsing rod from the ve charges attracting? Will we feel kilograms? grams? micrograms?
7. Are the above explanations of how VLF and dowsing work by electrification charges a science, or is it only opinions?

[Dedevil]

Well it looks like you thought wrong again Mr. Devil,
Actually I have no reasons to propose for why it can't work.
I have only questions to find out the missing parts you did not tell.

The science you explained seems new, and nobody has tested the WM6 transmitter yet, not even him.
Yet you proceeded to tell us what this transmitter above will do to a piece of gold.
And now, it appears you don't know what you are talking about.
It appears you simply made up all that stuff, as evidenced by your inability to answer simple questions about the "electrified gold" and the range of this transmitter in your lectures above.

Now, the rest of the world who reads this forum is left with the idea that it is not worth building this transmitter if the only expert who says it works cannot even tell them what range their treasure hunting area is, or what frequency the gold will be glowing after it is electrified by the VLF transmitter.
They have discovered you can't tell them what voltage the gold will charge to, or how much force they should feel on the dowsing rod from this electrification.
Maybe they are wondering if this is simply stuff the Devil made up, or if he really knows what frequencies and detection range, and how much electrostatic force this transmitter develops in a remote piece of gold.

But not me....
I know it must be real science, because the Devil said so. 8)
Or am I wrong about that?


Best wishes, :)
J_P
____________________________________________
P.S. The missing questions you can't answer are:
1. How big a search area radius we can work in around the transmitter?
2. How much voltage should we be able to measure at a large mens gold ring placed on the ground 1 meter distance from the transmitter?
3. In what range does gold glow when we turn on the transmitter shown above?
4. How much voltage is developed in your body when you zap a mosquito with enough to scare him away?
Is this similar to the amount of voltage you send to the dowsing rod when dowsing?
6. How much force will we feel in the dowsing rod from the ve charges attracting? Will we feel kilograms? grams? micrograms?
7. Are the above explanations of how VLF and dowsing work by electrification charges a science, or is it only opinions?

Try this site if you stuck with your homework.

www.howstuffworks.com (http://www.howstuffworks.com)

:lol:

[J_Player]

Try this site if you stuck with your homework.

www.howstuffworks.com (http://www.howstuffworks.com)

:lol:It looks like you're wrong again, Mr, Devil.
Your link does not show anything to explain VLF causing static charges in treasure or water.
I guess this pretty much proves you made up all that BS above about electric charges causing dowsing rods to move and VLF causing distant objects to charge up.
Yup, when you posted that link, you pretty much confirmed you don't know what you're talking about.

Mr. Devil can't explain science, and he can't even explain what hes talking about.
I guess I will have to rely on real science to explain how things work, not the Devil.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

This sounds like another good cct.


Forget about ions as they are everywhere. If you look at the triboelectric series you will see how much ions just your clothing produce into your skin and straight to your hyothalimus. (no wonder there is so much degenerative brain disease in society.) You here about ionising radiation (effects cells) from the sun to skin but no warning on clothes to brain.
So forget about ion for lrl. Think of everything being in a scalar electified state. By scalar i mean vectors. For vectors you need to think with relativity theory and you are the observer. Also think of slow dc flow (vlf) like a tide coming in due to the moon having a differnt mass/charge than the oceans.

Now think of a car piston as being like the OVERALL force of all of the electrons flowing into a coil. Slow DC. A push of -ve force. Now think of a charging capacitor as something leaning on a wall.
F= m x a. So if we just lean on the ground a bit and then push it!
Here is what a big push can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyAyd4WnvhU

Here is my start to a electrical style vortex cannon
18317

So why waste time winding coils? To produce an emf? To find gold?

rgds

[J_Player]

This sounds like another good cct.


Forget about ions as they are everywhere. If you look at the triboelectric series you will see how much ions just your clothing produce into your skin and straight to your hyothalimus. (no wonder there is so much degenerative brain disease in society.) You here about ionising radiation (effects cells) from the sun to skin but no warning on clothes to brain.
So forget about ion for lrl. Think of everything being in a scalar electified state. By scalar i mean vectors. For vectors you need to think with relativity theory and you are the observer. Also think of slow dc flow (vlf) like a tide coming in due to the moon having a differnt mass/charge than the oceans.

Now think of a car piston as being like the OVERALL force of all of the electrons flowing into a coil. Slow DC. A push of -ve force. Now think of a charging capacitor as something leaning on a wall.
F= m x a. So if we just lean on the ground a bit and then push it!
Here is what a big push can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyAyd4WnvhU

Here is my start to a electrical style vortex cannon
18317

So why waste time winding coils? To produce an emf? To find gold?

rgdsIt looks like you're wrong again, Mr, Devil.
Your links do not show anything to explain VLF causing static charges in treasure or water.
Nor do car pistons or your hypothalamus, or a vortex cannon explain how far the treasure hunting range you told us the NE555 circuit will cause gold to glow.
I guess this pretty much proves you made up all that BS above about electric charges causing dowsing rods to move and VLF causing distant objects to become charged.
Your new links did not fool us to forget all the claims you made about the WM6 transmitter and dowsing.
But they confirmed you don't know what you're talking about.

Mr. Devil can't explain science, and he can't even explain what he's talking about.
In case you can't remember what you're talking about, here are the questions you can't answer about your statements above:

1. How big a search area radius we can work around the WM6 transmitter shown above?
2. How much voltage should we be able to measure at a large mens gold ring placed on the ground 1 meter distance from the WM6 transmitter?
3. What distance does gold glow when we turn on the WM6 transmitter shown above?
4. How much voltage did you develop in your body when you zapped the mosquito enough to scare him away? Is this similar to the amount of voltage you send to the dowsing rod when dowsing?
5. What material must we use for dowsing rods? Are there any materials we should avoid for the proper ve charge?
6. How much force will we feel in the dowsing rod from the ve charges attracting? Will we feel kilograms? grams? micrograms?
7. Are your explanations above of how VLF and dowsing work by electrification charges a science, or is it only your BS? :???:


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[ma330]

j-p
What are your suggestions for finding small objects with vlf transmitter and reciver?
for exampel one target 10cm*10cm
Is it possible the receiver circuit wm6?
http://http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=141060&postcount=1

[J_Player]

j-p
What are your suggestions for finding small objects with vlf transmitter and reciver?
for exampel one target 10cm*10cm
Is it possible the receiver circuit wm6?
http://http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=141060&postcount=1Hi ma330,
I agree with the person who designed this circuit above, WM6:
I am not use this TX circuit for treasure hunting, but I swear, that this TX circuit (in conjunction with VLF receiver from other tread) works as well as any mineoro LRL crap, or rangertell crap, or H3Tec crap and any other LRL crap. Even better, cause my VLF receiver offer you real hunting melody instead of boring tone signal. What you wish more?
If you read his post, he says he does not use this circuit for treasure hunting. Why?
Do you think he finds it utterly useless for finding treasure?

He swears that the circuit above works as well as Mineoro crap or rangertell crap or H3Tec crap, or any other LRL crap.
We see he compares the circuit above to crap such as rangertell and Mineoro. Why does he compare it to crap?
Do you think he believes you cannot find treasure with this circuit?

He tells you that his circuit is better than the crap LRLs because if you also use his VLF receiver with an audio connection, you will be able to hear the musical tones which come from this transmitter. This is an improvement. Why?
Even if you cannot find any treasure when using this circuit, will you know that at least it can be made to do something. Doesn't the sound of musical tones prove it is doing something?

You will also note in a post I made above, to suggest this circuit could possibly be modified to scare away mosquitos.
This could also be useful for treasure hunters or people who are not treasure hunters.

You will also see that Dave agrees this circuit does not help to detect metals: They're all BS'ing you. The circuit doesn't have anything to do with locating metals or minerals-- unless you want to pretend that it does.

Does this answer your question?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Dave J.]

10 cm x 10 cm, that's a 4 inch square. A good VLF metal detector would generally be able to detect that to a depth of about 30 to 60 cm (12 to 24 inches) depending on the machine, search conditions, and user skill.

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

As i said JP they are your questions, do your own homework. By asking time wasting questions you are just being another brick in the wall.

For everyone else, Distance is proportional to applied pressure.

[ma330]

10 cm x 10 cm, that's a 4 inch square. A good VLF metal detector would generally be able to detect that to a depth of about 30 to 60 cm (12 to 24 inches) depending on the machine, search conditions, and user skill.

--Dave J.
dave j
my Purpose A separate transceiver.
same : http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=140906&postcount=1

and this:http://http://http://www.longrangelocators....60&postcount=1

now What do you think?

[WM6]

ma330, if you insist on transmitter - receiver principle, this configuration uses those transmitter - receiver principle:

[/URL][URL]http://www.cslocators.com/products/index.php?id=35 (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/www.cslocators.com/products/index.php?id=35)

It is not suitable to find a single coins, but can be proper to find certain bigger golden vein very deep.

Not really simple to build, as our TX-RX toys, but possible.

[Dave J.]

WM6: the locator you linked to is a knockoff of the better known CAT, an example of which I was using just last week. It is designed to locate buried conductive utilities which have been energized by a separate transmitter, but is useless for geophysical prospecting.

So-called "two-box units" with separate transmitter and receiver were at one time designed specifically for geophysical prospecting (I have examples of vacuum tube versions in the warehouse). The two-box units you can buy nowadays are useful for utility locating and cache locating, but their usefulness for geophysical prospecting is very limited and in real life they do not detect "veins of gold" but rather changes in the electrical conductivity and magnetic susceptibility of the first two meters or so of underlying geological structure.

--Dave J.

[J_Player]

As i said JP they are your questions, do your own homework. By asking time wasting questions you are just being another brick in the wall.Well, Mr. Devil, you are wrong yet again! 8)
I did my homework.


I discovered the links you posted are bogus... they do not contain any information to explain your BS about the WM6 transmitter causing gold to glow, or causing distant objects to become charged.
I discovered nobody believes your lecture series BS explaining how dowsing works by static electricity and VLF causing treasure to glow --- not even the designer of the circuit.
I discovered how you don't know what you're talking about, the same as everyone else discovered.

Have you figured out what you're talking about yet?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Dave J.]

dave j
my Purpose A separate transceiver.
same : http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=140906&postcount=1

and this:http://http://http://www.longrangelocators....60&postcount=1

now What do you think?

ma330, I think you don't listen to good advice from people who know the facts.

I also think you want to be lied to, and the evidence of that is that you got suckered by Mr. Devil even though you knew what he was the whole time.

If it makes you feel any better, you're not alone. Many decades ago the USA public elected President Nixon to a second term, even though they knew he was a con man and a liar-- and then expressed amazement when the Watergate Affair led to his resignation! They knew what he was the whole time, they didn't want to believe that the President could be a low-life con man, so when he told them he wasn't one, they voted for him despite the fact they already knew what he was! A great historical example of how wishful thinking is a more powerful motivator than what people already know to be fact.

* * * * * * *

Mr. Devil, that Nixon business affords great research material on how people allow themselves to be deluded by their wishes, to the extent that it overpowers what they already know. I don't need to research it myself since I actually lived through the Nixon era and experienced it firsthand. You might want to Google it, it sheds interesting light on why people get stuck "believing" in LRL's even after they know the things are bogus.

If you've ever suspected that half the preachers on the planet are in your camp, I can affirm that. I grew up around a lot of preachers and they assumed a kid was too dumb to pay attention to how their "preacher tricks" worked. So I learned the preacher tricks straight from the preachers themselves, I didn't have to read about them in a book 20 years later. The Tricky D*ck Cookbook was pretty much the same thing as the Preacher Tricks Cookbook.

--Dave J.

[TH'r]

If the explanation of electrification was confusing. Try this; Think of our universe and the centre of attraction, the sun. The sun has a huge amount of nuclear explosions happening and according to our science knowledge produces protons (+ve charges) from these explosions. So the sun can be called overall positive "+ve". Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun. Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans. A smaller stream has less mass than the oceans.
Less mass means less +ve. and so the streams now become -ve with reference to the oceans. like 5 for oceans and 5-1(4) for streams.
Less mass less charge.
rgds

His basic premise is in error and effect this has on his other theorys is unknown.
The sun does not produce energy by "explosions" in the traditional sense, rather by a process of nucelar fusion whereby elements are fused together resulting in an energy release. This energy from the sun is received by the earth in the form of photons (not PROtons). PHOtons have no electrical charge.

Electrical charges have nothing to do with streams of water, above or below the ground. They flow because of gravity. Same reason a ball rolls down hill.

This gentleman's fanticies that he sometimes shares with us when replying to Dave J. indicates that he is spending waaay too much time alone in the Outback.

Actually, I think we are all wasting our time trying to teach him something, for if he were to ever learn he would just forget.

[Dedevil]

Well, Mr. Devil, you are wrong yet again! 8)
I did my homework.


I discovered the links you posted are bogus... they do not contain any information to explain your BS about the WM6 transmitter causing gold to glow, or causing distant objects to become charged.
I discovered nobody believes your lecture series BS explaining how dowsing works by static electricity and VLF causing treasure to glow --- not even the designer of the circuit.
I discovered how you don't know what you're talking about, the same as everyone else discovered.
Have you figured out what you're talking about yet?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Yep think i've detected you enough to know what your on about.

You CLAIM to be a teacher with students.
But your knowledge is not that of your own, and you are acting like a PARASITE on this forum. Building your own data base instead of thinking for yourself. Just like a viral infection, not thinking for himself, but rather STEALING others information.

HOW PATHETIC YOU HAVE BECOME.

[Dedevil]

His basic premise is in error and effect this has on his other theorys is unknown.
The sun does not produce energy by "explosions" in the traditional sense, rather by a process of nucelar fusion whereby elements are fused together resulting in an energy release. This energy from the sun is received by the earth in the form of photons (not PROtons). PHOtons have no electrical charge.

Electrical charges have nothing to do with streams of water, above or below the ground. They flow because of gravity. Same reason a ball rolls down hill.

This gentleman's fanticies that he sometimes shares with us when replying to Dave J. indicates that he is spending waaay too much time alone in the Outback.

Actually, I think we are all wasting our time trying to teach him something, for if he were to ever learn he would just forget.


Put your sunglasses on. You are like BABY going WAAA WAAA!

What causes the sun to release these light photons ( a negativley charged wave ) ?
The nuclear reaction of the sun cause +ve (protons) within the suns atmosphere, but they do not escape the atmosphere! Instead the sun becomes more +ve and so spits out a -ve photon of light frequency.
Photons = electro magnetic radiation have a charge? What are confused about? Maybe lookup electron magnetic radiation ??? And learn! They are what modern day science calls negative!

Quoting Dave J as the center of the Universe HA AHA HA AHA AHA HA! Thought i pushed him arse over head into a bottomless Super pit in Kalgoolie. Did he survive the fall?

Just loved your quote:

Electrical charges have nothing to do with streams of water, above or below the ground. They flow because of gravity. Same reason a ball rolls down hill.

Go back about 2 years into WHY DIVINING WORKS or just buy the book and read and learn. But untill you read and learn please don't anoy the other real LRL enthusiasts on this site with you BABY like WAAAAA.. I don't understand!

Go away and read and learn then come back!
This area is far too advanced for you.

Maybe start at WHAT IS GRAVITY?....CHILD

[Dedevil]

ma330, I think you don't listen to good advice from people who know the facts.

I also think you want to be lied to, and the evidence of that is that you got suckered by Mr. Devil even though you knew what he was the whole time.

If it makes you feel any better, you're not alone. Many decades ago the USA public elected President Nixon to a second term, even though they knew he was a con man and a liar-- and then expressed amazement when the Watergate Affair led to his resignation! They knew what he was the whole time, they didn't want to believe that the President could be a low-life con man, so when he told them he wasn't one, they voted for him despite the fact they already knew what he was! A great historical example of how wishful thinking is a more powerful motivator than what people already know to be fact.

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Mr. Devil, that Nixon business affords great research material on how people allow themselves to be deluded by their wishes, to the extent that it overpowers what they already know. I don't need to research it myself since I actually lived through the Nixon era and experienced it firsthand. You might want to Google it, it sheds interesting light on why people get stuck "believing" in LRL's even after they know the things are bogus.

If you've ever suspected that half the preachers on the planet are in your camp, I can affirm that. I grew up around a lot of preachers and they assumed a kid was too dumb to pay attention to how their "preacher tricks" worked. So I learned the preacher tricks straight from the preachers themselves, I didn't have to read about them in a book 20 years later. The Tricky D*ck Cookbook was pretty much the same thing as the Preacher Tricks Cookbook.

--Dave J.

Man What did they do to YOU?

Growing up around a lot of preachers have obvously held you back from "hangin out with the men" Just chill buddy,.. CLEAR, BLUE,WATER....I've found a great place with heaps of gold in the Land Down Under (My Home). Where MEN ARE MEN. Geo is coming for a LRL holiday and your more than welcome to come too.

Rgds

[J_Player]

Well, Mr. Devil, you are wrong yet again! 8)
I did my homework.


I discovered the links you posted are bogus... they do not contain any information to explain your BS about the WM6 transmitter causing gold to glow, or causing distant objects to become charged.
I discovered nobody believes your lecture series BS explaining how dowsing works by static electricity and VLF causing treasure to glow --- not even the designer of the circuit.
I discovered how you don't know what you're talking about, the same as everyone else discovered.

Have you figured out what you're talking about yet?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Yep think i've detected you enough to know what your on about.

You CLAIM to be a teacher with students.
But your knowledge is not that of your own, and you are acting like a PARASITE on this forum. Building your own data base instead of thinking for yourself. Just like a viral infection, not thinking for himself, but rather STEALING others information.

HOW PATHETIC YOU HAVE BECOME.You are wrong again Mr. Devil,

My claim was not about teachers or students. I claimed you are full of BS:


I claimed that you posted bogus links that do not contain any information to explain your BS about the WM6 transmitter causing gold to glow, or causing distant objects to become charged.
I claimed that nobody believes your lecture series BS explaining how dowsing works by static electricity and VLF causing treasure to glow --- not even the designer of the circuit.
I claimed that you don't know what you're talking about, the same as everyone else discovered.

Are you saying I did not think for myself to figure out how you don't understand basic science or mathematics?
Did someone else besides me also check your links, or wonder why you can't answer simple questions to explain what you're talking about?
Maybe you can name the others who you allege I stole these thoughts from...??

Hahahahaaaa... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

This energy from the sun is received by the earth in the form of photons (not PROtons). PHOtons have no electrical charge.
Nice one! :thumb:

What causes the sun to release these light photons ( a negativley charged wave ) ?
The nuclear reaction of the sun cause +ve (protons) within the suns atmosphere, but they do not escape the atmosphere! Instead the sun becomes more +ve and so spits out a -ve photon of light frequency.
Photons = electro magnetic radiation have a charge? What are confused about? Maybe lookup electron magnetic radiation ??? And learn! They are what modern day science calls
negative!
[Sarcasm hat on]

Photon ... protons ... who cares?
It just adds to the confusion of ideas. :lol:

[Sarcasm hat off] :cool:

[J_Player]

Nice one! :thumb:


[Sarcasm hat on]

Photon ... protons ... who cares?
It just adds to the confusion of ideas. :lol:

[Sarcasm hat off] :cool:Adds to the confusion?
What confusion?
Isn't it obvious that Mr. Devil doesn't know what he's talking about? :rolleyes:


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Nice one! :thumb:


[Sarcasm hat on]

Photon ... protons ... who cares?
It just adds to the confusion of ideas. :lol:

[Sarcasm hat off] :cool:

As I have stated before Q is just a child in the science world of detection.
So how can a BABY who does not even understand RELATIVITY administrate a forum like this?

And more imprtantly WHO WOULD BUY HIS BOOK!

Chapter1: 1+2=3 HA!

Go back to school with JP you BABY!

[Dedevil]

[QUOTE=J_Player;145025]You are wright again Mr. Devil,

My claim was not about teachers or students. HA.

Yes it was JP in past post YOU have refered to "YOUR STUDENTS" I claim you are full of BS NOW. You are unthinking thief, bogus teacher. Uneducated and underqualified you thieve ideas from others to seek your personal goals


I claimed that you posted bogus links that do not contain any information to explain your BS about the WM6 transmitter causing gold to glow, or causing distant objects to become charged.
The links were real, your just soo...uneducated and stupid, you dont get it.
I claimed that nobody believes your lecture series BS explaining how dowsing works by static electricity and VLF causing treasure to glow --- not even the designer of the circuit. Yeh? then why did WM6 PAY UP in previous thread?
I claimed that you don't know what you're talking about, the same as everyone else discovered.
Oh Now your talking on everyone's belalf. Did everyone VOTE?OR is this a deluded conclusion that you are the center of the universe and speak on everyones behalf.
Are you saying I did not think for myself ? YES

Did someone else besides me also check your links, or wonder why you can't answer simple questions to explain what you're talking about?
Yes DAVE J But he's getting a mental health check now after what those priests did.

Maybe you can name the others who you allege I stole these thoughts from...?? Within seconds you produce the entire file of every picture or circuit Esteban ever posted. These are not your ideas but you seem to get gratification and glory by being able to produce them under your name when most of the time you cant even explain the workings. YOU ARE A THIEF. AND A FOOLISH ONE AT THAT

[J_Player]

You are wrong again Mr. Devil,
My claim was not about teachers or students. HA.
Yes it was JP in past post YOU have refered to "YOUR STUDENTS" I claim you are full of BS NOW. You are unthinking thief, bogus teacher.

Maybe you can name the others who you allege I stole these thoughts from...?? Within seconds you produce the entire file of every picture or circuit Esteban ever posted. ...YOU ARE A THIEF. AND A FOOLISH ONE AT THATVery intersting Mr. Devil.
It seems you are posting more BS that proves you don't know what you're talking about. 8)

Originally Posted by Dedevil: "...in past post YOU have refered to "YOUR STUDENTS"
Is this more BS that you simply made up, or can you show us an example where we can read this? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Dedevil: "Within seconds you produce the entire file of every picture or circuit Esteban ever posted. ...YOU ARE A THIEF. AND A FOOLISH ONE AT THAT"
Really?
Where can we see an example that shows how I stole "the entire file of every picture or circuit Esteban ever posted"? :rolleyes:

From what you posted you showed you don't know anything.
You can't answer simple questions about what you are talking about, nor can you show anything to substantiate your BS.
It appears you are simply making up BS in hopes someone will believe you.

It looks like you got nothing, other than and making accusations and calling people names.
But I don't care.
You can make up accusations and call names you want.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dedevil]

Very intersting Mr. Devil.
You can make up accusations and call names you want.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

OK



Oh great messiah of LRL’S take us by the hand with your electronic dolly of love and lead us not to the truth by avoiding it at all costs for coil sales depends on it. Show us your mountain of gold.
For we shall not starve but feast upon your riches.

[zixelll]

Simple VLF transmitter with aerial coil wire antenna and changeable frequency can be build using wide available NE555. Not with ideal sine wave but usable.

Potentiometer should be, for more precise frequency selection, multi-turn one (if possible), but not required.

Antenna coil data: outer coil diameter >22cm, wire diameter 0.25mm, coil resistance >33 Ohm, number of turns approx 111, inductance about 5mH, wire length needed about 80meters.

PCB dimension 2.1" x 1.6".

Hi, after further explain for winding machine