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Right now there is a great thread started by JudyH and the discussion goin' on over TNET about the 'lovely' magician mr. randi (yes, lowecase) and his 'mythical' million dollar challenge.
I decided to post the link to disclose and debunk one great myth and fraud which skeptics seem to be ruled by and I hope this serves others who do not know what was and still is going on with 'randi'.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,436351.100.html
Also really relevant is a post by 'slim king' which sums it all.
Tough I believe every rational human being knows that randi and his challenge has always been a HUGE BS, there are still the few poor souls who always thought thet 'million dollar challenge' was for real... Well...
It wasn't.
This is for them. Let's save some lives...
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This is an awesome thread. I actually know first hand how this JREF is a Scam! I know this is my first post but I AM a real treasure hunter of sorts and coincidentally I did apply for the JREF Million Dollar Challenge.
Randi was dating a teenager named Davy Pena. Pena moved in with Randi and he suddenly became Jose Alvarez and eventually they both set up the James Randi Education Foundation. Alvarez(An illegal alien and identification thief) was on the board of officers of the JREF from 1997 until 2009. During that time Pena and Randi took in Millions of dollars from unsuspecting skeptics. They share a nice mansion in Florida together.
The FBI arrested Jose Alvarez for fraud and identity theft. Randi put up over a Million in an agreement to release Alvarez to House Arrest on Davie Blvd...what a coincidence.
Meanwhile the current president of the JREF (D.J.Grothe)has the biggest fund raiser ever and is telling everyone that everything is fine and that this is just a personal matter.... RIGHT!!!!
James Randi is the Miss Cleo of the Skeptics!!!!!
He's bilked his own kind out of millions!
Yes ... Skeptic's Eat Their Young... LOL
Let's find some treasure here in Florida!!!!
James Randi is the Miss Cleo of the Skeptics!!!!!
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What a great argument that a mineoro fraud devices is working as claimed.
Or you are Miss Carmen Electra for naive mineoro buyers?
It is always a treat to see fraudsters, such as 'hung' whine and cry about Randi.
Good job James Randi for striking such fear into the ******'s
I like this post:
My statement makes perfect sense.
Lets put it another way... Lets say that Albert Einstein was arrested for possessing bestiality porn.
Does that mean the theory of relativity has been negated?
The point is, it's entirely possible (seems dead-likely) that this guy stole someone's identity to stay in this country. If I were to bet, I'd bet Randi probably knew. Still, that doesn't mean that their positions on other things are invalid. It insinuates a lot of things about their personal lives, but it doesn't magically make the frauds they've been exposing for decades somehow credible again.
Take Randi out of the equation. The idea of rational thinking doesn't need a figurehead. Randi has been so vocal about it for so long that he's come to embody the broader notion of people who are opposed to irrational thinking and primitive superstition, but what he represents isn't some 'tribe' with war paint and membership cards. He represents people not believing in mystical powers, quack science (like LRLs), superstitious nonsense.
The fact that the sham-science proponents view this as some 'victory' really shows how bizarre their mentalities are. It would be like saying if Jonas Salk were arrested for drunk driving in the mid 50's, his polio vaccine should be disregarded.
As well as this one:So what?
Let's say J. Randi and his partners are guilty of exactly what they've been accused of, which of course there is no evidence to support that claim, .... but say they are.
How does that make the Lectra-Search or any other scam LRL, suddenly NOT a scam?
Appears David brought down another Straw Man.... good going David.
It is beyond obvious the fraudsters and *****'s are grasping at straws.
Last, but not least:
"If you don't have anything sensible to say, then just post some nonsense insults."
On the contrary.
That his challenge:lol: or whatever it was called that BS has always been pure fraud, everyone with 2 neurons knew. But it's really scary watching the implosion of a human being the way he is imposing to himself. Let's pray for this fella.
I see you belong to the category of the 'poor souls' I have mentioned above. Hope this post now finally serves for your education.
Too bad you are not anymore amusing us at TNET since you are now banned.
Well... s**t happens...
Live wisely my friend.
...that BS has always been pure fraud, everyone with 2 neurons knew.
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Deeply agree with you, that mineoro BS has always been pure fraud, everyone with 2 neurons knew.
On the contrary.
That his challenge:lol: or whatever it was called that BS has always been pure fraud, everyone with 2 neurons knew. But it's really scary watching the implosion of a human being the way he is imposing to himself. Let's pray for this fella.
I see you belong to the category of the 'poor souls' I have mentioned above. Hope this post now finally serves for your education.
Too bad you are not anymore amusing us at TNET since you are now banned.
Well... s**t happens...
Live wisely my friend.
"If you don't have anything sensible to say, then just post some nonsense insults."
Yeppers. Still rings true :::chortles:::
Slim King:
"Her's what's funny. People in various websites all over the net are attempting to reveal the truth about James Randi and the Fraud his company has perpetrated on the unsuspecting and pliable skeptics. Now that these Critical thinkers have been shown to be Duped they seem to react like victims of "Child Abuse"..... They are ashamed so they can't admit to themselves or anyone else that they have been Flim Flammed!
And dozens of threads have had these "derailing" tactics applied. The process is so transparent and laughable. But here are these guys who have lost millions trying to defend the guy who screwed them ..... it's just exactly what they said about Cult leaders and people who still believe even after the leader is proven a FRAUD!!!!
The Co-founder of the James Randi Education Foundation is facing 12 years in a federal prison for FRAUD!
I wonder if the Pseudo-skeptics can get their cash back?
JAMES RANDI IS THE MISS CLEO OF SKEPTICS....."
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Hummm... I would like to see a list with the names of those 'official skeptics' ...
One question comes to mind.
Has geotech website ever made any donations to JREF or... has accepted any donations from this 'institute'?
Have a nice weekend folks.
The Co-founder of the James Randi Education Foundation is facing 12 years in a federal prison for FRAUD!
No wonder, if we know that those Co-founder was close relative to dr. Hung.
J_Player
12-08-2011, 04:20 PM
...One question comes to mind.
Has geotech website ever made any donations to JREF or... has accepted any donations from this 'institute'?
Have a nice weekend folks.Hmmm... that's a good question. I wonder... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif
First, the Geotech website cannot donate anything because it is only a website which does not own anything to donate.
But we could look for evidence that the owner of the Geotech website (Carl Moreland) donated anything to JREF/Randi.
Let's do a little research to see what we can find...
I haven't found any evidence of cash donations, but something did turn up in the search for donations...
I see here where Randi says in his newsletter that Carl Moreland donated (on loan) some LRLs from his collection: "Carl Moreland sells devices that actually work, and he has a tidy web site at http://www.geotech1.com/ (http://www.Geotech1.com/geotech) dealing with real technology for locating metals and treasure in general.
He has sent the JREF, on loan, several popular "treasure locaters" that are simply dowsing rods in disguise.
Though I'd never had any doubt at all what they were, I wasn't about to hand out the hefty prices they commanded, just to be stuck with a piece of pseudotechnology.
Thanks to Carl, I've now been able to see for myself just how blatant the swindle is".
Read more here in the third news item down from the top: http://www.randi.org/jr/071103.html
It seems Carl donated the Lectra Search and X-60 model so Randi could see the surplus circuit boards they use which were never intended for any locating device.
Carl explains the X-60 model contains a junked circuit board left over from a 1979 production run from a guitar distortion pedal used to locate treasure. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif
Of course there is no power connected to this distortion pedal circuit board. :rolleyes:
I wonder If Carl donated anything else to JREF/Randi...
Why yes, it appears he did.... :)
Apparently Carl sent JREF/Randi a partially dismantled VR-800 along with his collection of LRL crap to Randi which we see in his article " WINDERS WHINES (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5)" here:
www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5 (http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5)
How do we know Randi has this Omnitron in his possession? We can read where he says:
"Incidentally, I’m tracing the circuit of the Omnitron unit shown last week. Here you see the innards removed. Those are gobs of glue that were supposed to hold the parts in place, but didn’t because there was no adherence between the plastic case and the glue. We’ll report…."
We can also see JREF/Randi took their own photos of the Omnitron which are different photos of the same parts we see on the Geotech website, and they posted their photos for their article "THE OMNITRON IS STILL WITH US (http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/111805setback.html#i9)".
See here: http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/111805setback.html#i9
From reading these articles at the JREF/Randi websites, It appears that Carl donated some of his time and his copyrights to allow Randi to quote his statements from Geotech, and emails he sent to JREF/Randi.
It appears you are correct that Carl donated some LRL crap on loan, and reports from his investigations, but I don't see any signs he donated any money.
Maybe Carl keeps his money for the $25,000 prize to pay to someone who demonstrates they can pass his randomized scientific test.
Best wishes,
J_P
Qiaozhi
12-08-2011, 05:03 PM
I have moved this thread to the Off Topic forum.
The Long Range Locators forum is for "Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.", not for general gossip.
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