Testing Crypton OBMD-1

[g-sani]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/clear.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0KsHXj_0w&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.

[MIJ]

Hi g-sani,

Thanks for showing video of you using Crypton.

What was it you actually found?

As you say picture not to clear.

Best Regards

[humhum]

Hi g-sani , congratulation for your LRL ,how is work it, with Ionic rec. or Magnetic Receiver.

[Geo]

Hi George:)
Cryfton beeps "εις γαμον γκαραγκιοζη".:lol:
You found the target with MD, not with LRL.
It gave at least 10....15 false signals....

Regards:)

[Morgan]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/clear.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0KsHXj_0w&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.


Hello

I even not talk much about the CRYPTON,it needs constant adjustments same as my PD,maybe it works the same as the PD,i though Andreas could make better LRL. What i find amazing is the instrument you use for digging the target,here we call "pé de cabra" it is used not to digg but for other job,with this one you could break one coin in two parts.

[Morgan]

Hello

I even not talk much about the CRYPTON,it needs constant adjustments same as my PD,maybe it works the same as the PD,i though Andreas could make better LRL. What i find amazing is the instrument you use for digging the target,here we call "pé de cabra" it is used not to digg but for other job,with this one you could break one coin in two parts.

so,i think the greek soil is hard like concret,next time one pneumatic hammer will be great tool

[Qiaozhi]

What i find amazing is the instrument you use for digging the target,here we call "pé de cabra" it is used not to digg but for other job,with this one you could break one coin in two parts.
Any archaeologist watching that video would have a heart attack. :cry:

[WM6]

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.



Hi sani, why you need all those funny exercises with OBMD-1, if without metal detector you cannot found nothing?

On guerrillas places you can find something on every meter with only middle finger, so you do not need futile 3800 euro creation to find something there.

If Alonso PD can be at least in theory capable to detect something at distance of about 1m, looking at OBMD-1 construction (no need to see circuit inside) it is clear that this creation is based on completely flawed idea if it is based on electronic science.

[digital logic]

Hi g-sani,

Thanks for showing video of you using Crypton.

What was it you actually found?

As you say picture not to clear.

Best Regards

G-sani says on video for lead from bullet about turkish gun (very old).
I have the same opinion with WM6 about this lrl .

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,

Thanks for showing video of you using Crypton.

What was it you actually found?

As you say picture not to clear.

Best Regards

That was the front part of an old bullet. It is left there from 1900 downwards.

Hi g-sani , congratulation for your LRL ,how is work it, with Ionic rec. or Magnetic Receiver.

I don't really know the principle behind this LRL.
I was offered to test this detector and what I did was trying to see if I can unearth something whith it from a distance that wasn't put there for test purposes.
Well once it was a goats bell made from copper and in this video is exactly what you see, the front part from an old Turkish bullet.
I see some of you say that I finally found this whith my MD and I don't say different but I didn't look there using my DFX by chance.I thought it is clear for everybody to see that I got repeated beeps in that place but may be I was wrong.

Hi George:)
Cryfton beeps "εις γαμον γκαραγκιοζη".:lol:
You found the target with MD, not with LRL.
It gave at least 10....15 false signals....

Regards:)

Come on Geo you know very well that I can understand if an LRL is working or not.
And also you know very well that when you adjust sensitivity in an LRL like Crypton it is wise to check or hunt in a place using a bit more of it and then a bit less of it and then also search whith sensitivity just in the limit as the maker advices you to do.
This way you compare all signals received so that you get a better understanding of a might be target.
What I did was turning around myself trying to see if there are lines where I get constantly beeps.Yes, I agree that I had a few beeps over and there but passing the detector again from these lines it was clearly understood that it was not the ones to pay attention.
On the same hand somebody can search whith reduced sensitivity so that he look for less beeps but again on the same line.
You also know very well George that working whith an LRL like Crypton you have to play whith sensitivity as you aproach or you remove from a possible target.
This way you give yourself a chance to get a better idea of whats going on.
Of course somebody can say that a far away target might give you less beeps on the same line confusing you a lot but then I will say that this is why you have your feet and all you have to do is use them and check from some other position.

so,i think the greek soil is hard like concret,next time one pneumatic hammer will be great tool

Hi Morgan, I was not there prepared to dig. I had digging tools in my car but it was far away from that place.I used "pé de cabra" because I knew as soon as I used my White that it was not a deep target, otherwise I wouldn't mind to go back and get the proper digging tool for the job.
I went there to see if I can get anything whith Crypton since I have an info from a relative that a treasure is hidden there from the 2nd World war.
I took only the "pé de cabra" whith me because I wanted to use it and turn arround some stones and see if they have anything written on them. Just have a look.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2576/36285211.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/36285211.jpg/)

Hi sani, why you need all those funny exercises with OBMD-1, if without metal detector you cannot found nothing?
On guerrillas places you can find something on every meter with only middle finger, so you do not need futile 3800 euro creation to find something there.

If Alonso PD can be at least in theory capable to detect something at distance of about 1m, looking at OBMD-1 construction (no need to see circuit inside) it is clear that this creation is based on completely flawed idea if it is based on electronic science.

Yes WM6 I have used my White to find it and whithout it may be I couldn't do it.
The thing is there wasn't some other metal in the place because I also checked at least one or two meters arround it.I know that you might say that may be I was not detecting this whith Crypton but some other metal which was maybe deeper for my MD to detect.Well you are may be right but when this happens more times it is very enough for me to understand if and what I detect most of the times.
Myself I believe that Crypton is capable of getting a signal from something big much more away that the 30meters distance that the company says but I cannot confirm it yet.
I will be able to check it after winter time sometime on Spring in the same place where I got signals from about 90meters away.

[WM6]

OK, I am away at least 90 meters, to not disturb Crypton sensitivity.

[Morgan]

That was the front part of an old bullet. It is left there from 1900 downwards.



I don't really know the principle behind this LRL.
I was offered to test this detector and what I did was trying to see if I can unearth something whith it from a distance that wasn't put there for test purposes.
Well once it was a goats bell made from copper and in this video is exactly what you see, the front part from an old Turkish bullet.
I see some of you say that I finally found this whith my MD and I don't say different but I didn't look there using my DFX by chance.I thought it is clear for everybody to see that I got repeated beeps in that place but may be I was wrong.



Come on Geo you know very well that I can understand if an LRL is working or not.
And also you know very well that when you adjust sensitivity in an LRL like Crypton it is wise to check or hunt in a place using a bit more of it and then a bit less of it and then also search whith sensitivity just in the limit as the maker advices you to do.
This way you compare all signals received so that you get a better understanding of a might be target.
What I did was turning around myself trying to see if there are lines where I get constantly beeps.Yes, I agree that I had a few beeps over and there but passing the detector again from these lines it was clearly understood that it was not the ones to pay attention.
On the same hand somebody can search whith reduced sensitivity so that he look for less beeps but again on the same line.
You also know very well George that working whith an LRL like Crypton you have to play whith sensitivity as you aproach or you remove from a possible target.
This way you give yourself a chance to get a better idea of whats going on.
Of course somebody can say that a far away target might give you less beeps on the same line confusing you a lot but then I will say that this is why you have your feet and all you have to do is use them and check from some other position.



Hi Morgan, I was not there prepared to dig. I had digging tools in my car but it was far away from that place.I used "pé de cabra" because I knew as soon as I used my White that it was not a deep target, otherwise I wouldn't mind to go back and get the proper digging tool for the job.
I went there to see if I can get anything whith Crypton since I have an info from a relative that a treasure is hidden there from the 2nd World war.
I took only the "pé de cabra" whith me because I wanted to use it and turn arround some stones and see if they have anything written on them. Just have a look.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2576/36285211.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/36285211.jpg/)



Yes WM6 I have used my White to find it and whithout it may be I couldn't do it.
The thing is there wasn't some other metal in the place because I also checked at least one or two meters arround it.I know that you might say that may be I was not detecting this whith Crypton but some other metal which was maybe deeper for my MD to detect.Well you are may be right but when this happens more times it is very enough for me to understand if and what I detect most of the times.
Myself I believe that Crypton is capable of getting a signal from something big much more away that the 30meters distance that the company says but I cannot confirm it yet.
I will be able to check it after winter time sometime on Spring in the same place where I got signals from about 90meters away.

Ok,good luck with the Crypton,but i think you deserve better LRL for your search :cool:

[g-sani]

Ok,good luck with the Crypton,but i think you deserve better LRL for your search :cool:

Any suggestions Morgan?

[Qiaozhi]

I see some of you say that I finally found this whith my MD and I don't say different but I didn't look there using my DFX by chance.I thought it is clear for everybody to see that I got repeated beeps in that place but may be I was wrong.
With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?

[J_Player]

With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?There are many other things which we will never see in a demonstration.
I remember during the Texas show the H3 Tec did not detect false locations for places where there was no silver.
But the H3 Tec also did not detect the places where there was large silver such as the 10 ounce bar in Carl's pocket or the coins that Tim Williams hid.
We saw the same performance for Micheal's Mineoro FG-80 which made no indication of large targets that he could detect with metal detectors.
Morgan also reports the same for Mineoro... that it fails to detect gold which he buried from the distances which Mineoro says it will detect.

This kind of failure to detect buried targets is something we will not see in a simple demonstration video unless there is a test garden with long time buried metals in known locations like Morgan has.
If a long range detecting machine does not detect a 1 kg ancient gold plate buried 15cm, then the treasure hunter will not stop to check with a metal detector.
The treasure hunter will continue to walk past the treasure and look other places.
We will never be able to count how many times this happens or does not happen from a simple demonstration video.

But we can count how many times we dig empty holes, and holes that do not contain gold, silver or copper.
The problem is that most people do not keep any record of the holes which are empty.
And they do not count the holes with metal that is not gold, silver or copper unless these holes contain something they want to keep for an interesting recovery.
They do not count how many holes they dig to find aluminum foil or bottle caps or old nails.
This is the reason why we never hear any scientific data to tell what kind of percentage of success they find with their locators in a demonstration video.

And this is also the reason why we do not call these demonstration videos to be randomized scientific tests.
We call them the true name as a demonstration video which shows what the person who makes the video wants to show.
We know these are not scientific tests which give reliable proof of anything except to prove that a video camera was running during the demonstration.
These are simply demonstration videos which show what can be seen at the time and place where the video camera lens was recording.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[g-sani]

With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?

Yes, it was sometimes Qiaozhi that I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all have the oportunity to see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion as a user about it before he make it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all. Otherwise I wouldn't do a video straight away as soon as I got Crypton and I would be more busy working it just for myself. Of course later I would make the favour to anybody else from here for example that would ask me kindly to do so.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to get an idea and see what he could do in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.

Regards
g-sani

[kostas87]

Yes, it was sometimes Qiaozhi that I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all have the oportunity to see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion as a user about it before he make it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all. Otherwise I wouldn't do a video straight away as soon as I got Crypton and I would be more busy working it just for myself. Of course later I would make the favour to anybody else from here for example that would ask me kindly to do so.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to get an idea and see what he could do in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.

Regards
g-sani

Hi g-Sani ..
This detector had no consistent sound to understand is at what point was the metal which found ..!!! : (

you were so close and had the sound were persistent ...!!!! I would say it works but has no power to say for sure ...!!: (



The manufacturer of crypto will must try to do that surely machine ..!!!:)

Regards..!!:)

[J_Player]

Yes, it was sometimes I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion about it before he put it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to see what he could in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.
Regards
g-saniHi g-sani,
This is an interesting point for making videos.
When we see a demonstration video, then we know this video is not intended to be a scientific test or statistical data.
We know it is only a demonstration video to show something that can be seen in the video.
What I see in your video is only what we would see if we are walking with you and watching the things you see when you use the locator.

This is the kind of thing that most treasure hunters are interested to know from people who use a locator.
They watch demonstrations to try to determine if they think the locator can help them find treasure.
This is what I think too.
But I know that watching only one demonstration is not enough information for me to make a decision to buy a locator or any other detector.
I know I will want to learn more information, such as how reliable is the detection?
If I learn it only works on special days for atmospheric conditions that come 2 times in a year, then maybe I do not want to buy this locator.
But if I see there are hundreds of tests that show it works 50% of the time to correctly locate only metal that is buried more than 200 years at 30m distance, then I will think this is a useful tool to help to find treasure.

If it works perfectly 50% of the time, then this would be a good locator for Michael to use to help him find buried rooms full of gold things in the desert.
If Michael digs a big empty hole, then it is not important because he still has a 50% chance to find millions of Euros of gold in the next hole where the locator tells him to dig.
For Michael it is not important if this locator will find the treasure onlt 50% of time.
But it is very important if it will locate the buried metal only 5% of the time, because he cannot be wasting 95% of his time and money digging very big empty holes.

Any serious treasure hunter will want to know more information than they can see in a demonstration video.
A serious treasure hunter knows the purpose of a demonstration video is not to show statistical data or a randomized scientific test.
It is only one demonstration to show what the person making the video is demonstrating.

The serious treasure hunter knows he will need to learn more about the locator than the detection he sees a demonstration before he spends his money.
He will need to learn if it is perfect detection or not.
He will need to learn what things will cause false readings.
He will need to learn if there are some limitations that prevent the locator from working when he is treasure hunting.
And he knows these things are not expected to be found in most demonstration videos.

This is the reason why I do not expect a demonstration video to be the same as a test or statistical data.
I see no reason why anyone should expect that a demonstration is the same as a test.
And I think your video is good to watch, and to know that you like using the locator.

I think it would be also very interesting if some day Morgan could borrow a Crypton locator to make some test at his test garden.
It would be very interesting to see him show the Crypton and his best experimental locator both working at the same time to make comparisons of how they detect his buried gold medal.


Thank you for putting your video here for us to see.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[g-sani]

There are many other things which we will never see in a demonstration.
I remember during the Texas show the H3 Tec did not detect false locations for places where there was no silver.
But the H3 Tec also did not detect the places where there was large silver such as the 10 ounce bar in Carl's pocket or the coins that Tim Williams hid.
We saw the same performance for Micheal's Mineoro FG-80 which made no indication of large targets that he could detect with metal detectors.
Morgan also reports the same for Mineoro... that it fails to detect gold which he buried from the distances which Mineoro says it will detect.

This kind of failure to detect buried targets is something we will not see in a simple demonstration video unless there is a test garden with long time buried metals in known locations like Morgan has.
If a long range detecting machine does not detect a 1 kg ancient gold plate buried 15cm, then the treasure hunter will not stop to check with a metal detector.
The treasure hunter will continue to walk past the treasure and look other places.
We will never be able to count how many times this happens or does not happen from a simple demonstration video.

But we can count how many times we dig empty holes, and holes that do not contain gold, silver or copper.
The problem is that most people do not keep any record of the holes which are empty.
And they do not count the holes with metal that is not gold, silver or copper unless these holes contain something they want to keep for an interesting recovery.
They do not count how many holes they dig to find aluminum foil or bottle caps or old nails.
This is the reason why we never hear any scientific data to tell what kind of percentage of success they find with their locators in a demonstration video.

And this is also the reason why we do not call these demonstration videos to be randomized scientific tests.
We call them the true name as a demonstration video which shows what the person who makes the video wants to show.
We know these are not scientific tests which give reliable proof of anything except to prove that a video camera was running during the demonstration.
These are simply demonstration videos which show what can be seen at the time and place where the video camera lens was recording.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hallo J_P, of course these videos are not randomised scientific tests but don't forget they are recorded out in real and not in a test field where somebody hide the target to be.
If you could understand Greek language you should know what I am saying during this video recording and about some other line I was detecting in exactly the oposite direction.Have a more detailed look at the video between this interval 1.40-1.58.
I am saying something in Greek to my friend that is whith me in that place.Greek guys know it. I will translate it for you now. I am saying that we are getting regular beeps also in the direction the treasure is suppose to be but we couldn't find it when I spotted the place and tried to confirm it whith my Lorenz X3 detector. This is the longest signal line that I had from all my outings whith Crypton but I think that gold(if there) is secured into something like cave so it might be 3-4 meters underneath in a small room making it undetectable for my PI.
Spring time or beggining of summer I will try to check the place again whith a geophysical instrument which is more reliable for the job.

Best whishes
g-sani

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,
This is an interesting point for making videos.
When we see a demonstration video, then we know this video is not intended to be a scientific test or statistical data.
We know it is only a demonstration video to show something that can be seen in the video.
What I see in your video is only what we would see if we are walking with you and watching the things you see when you use the locator.
This is the kind of thing that most treasure hunters are interested to know from people who use a locator.
They watch demonstrations to try to determine if they think the locator can help them find treasure.
This is what I think too.
But I know that watching only one demonstration is not enough information for me to make a decision to buy a locator or any other detector.
I know I will want to learn more information, such as how reliable is the detection?
If I learn it only works on special days for atmospheric conditions that come 2 times in a year, then maybe I do not want to buy this locator.
But if I see there are hundreds of tests that show it works 50% of the time to correctly locate only metal that is buried more than 200 years at 30m distance, then I will think this is a useful tool to help to find treasure.

If it works perfectly 50% of the time, then this would be a good locator for Michael to use to help him find buried rooms full of gold things in the desert.
If Michael digs a big empty hole, then it is not important because he still has a 50% chance to find millions of Euros of gold in the next hole the locator tells him to dig.
For Michael it is not important if this locator will find the treasure onlt 50% of time.
But it is very important if it will locate the buried metal only 5% of the time, because he cannot be wasting 95% of his time and money digging very big empty holes.

Any serious treasure hunter will want to know more information than they can see in a demonstration video.
A serious treasure hunter knows the purpose of a demonstration video is not to show statistical data or a randomized scientific test.
It is only one demonstration to show what the person making the video is demonstrating.

The serious treasure hunter knows he will need to learn more about the locator than the detection he sees a demonstration before he spends his money.
He will need to learn if it is perfect detection or not.
He will need to learn what things will cause false readings.
He will need to learn if there are some limitations that prevent the locator from working when he is treasure hunting.
And he knows these things are not expected to be found in most demonstration videos.

This is the reason why I do not expect a demonstration video to be the same as a test or statistical data.
I see no reason why anyone should expect that a demonstration is the same as a test.
And I think your video is good to watch, and to know that you like using the locator.

I think it would be also very interesting if some day Morgan could borrow a Crypton locator to make some test at his test garden.
It would be very interesting to see him show the Crypton and his best experimental locator both working at the same time to make comparisons of how they detect his buried gold medal.


Thank you for putting your video here for us to see.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

I understand what you are saying J_P.
I agree that the more you know the better for whatever it is that you are buying and I also see you are having very high personal standards.
This is very good and I like it as well and I wish it was for everybody to be the same at that for a better world to live.
But I also understood by now that experience comes when you use things onyourself and not only listening to experiences from others. This is what I am doing myself whenever this comes in hand.
I have been in the same place testing some other LRLs as well and I have done the same also in other places that there is the possibility of a hidden treasure.This is how I ussually do it.I am taking my time so I can also learn by the end of the day.In other words I like using all the available options(LRLs) I have for determining the possible place of a treasure.
Of course all this stops whenever I can confirm it whith something else on the spot and then I dig it.
Everybody has different standards of doing things and learning from others can give you a boost.
A video could also say nothing to me but it can be critical in my decision at the same time.
The more info the better, this is for sure.

Best whishes
g-sani

[g-sani]

Hi g-Sani ..
This detector had no consistent sound to understand is at what point was the metal which found ..!!! : (

you were so close and had the sound were persistent ...!!!! I would say it works but has no power to say for sure ...!!: (



The manufacturer of crypto will must try to do that surely machine ..!!!:)

Regards..!!:)

Γεια σου Κωστα,
The sound is good but you have also the option to choose an optical indication of a "YES" confirmation which is a bright red LED at the upper right hand side of the detector.
The only time I couldn't hear the detector was when I was detecting near a waterfall in a hometown river.

[MIJ]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloys) that have copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper) as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion). The best known traditional types are bronze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze), where tin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin) is a significant addition, and brass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass), using zinc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copper_alloys#cite_note-0#cite_note-0)

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel), copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead) copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age), are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

[Qiaozhi]

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.
Your post was quite interesting, until I read that last part. :frown:
We all know the RTE is a useless swivel-handled device. Don't be fooled by the cheap calculator and do-nothing electronics. It will perform exactly the same, whether the calculator is powered on or off. It's only an expensive dowsing rod.

[J_Player]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloys) that have copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper) as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion). The best known traditional types are bronze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze), where tin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin) is a significant addition, and brass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass), using zinc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copper_alloys#cite_note-0#cite_note-0)

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel), copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead) copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age), are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.Hi MIJ,
The alloys used in wartime bullets could be any combination of alloys.
I have seen quite a few WWII bullets which have brass (copper-zinc) outer shells.
And there are also many pure lead bullets. But I wonder how pure these lead bullets are.
During WWII many countries had scarce supplies and were not so particular how pure their lead was, especially when used to make bullets.
They only cared that they are heavy enough to act as a bullet.

Along the same lines, we know that other buried metals are almost always alloys.
This includes the gold and silver and even platinum jewelry metals. But even base metals such as aluminum are alloys.
Different grades of aluminum have different alloys depending on the purpose of the aluminum.

If we are concerned about the portion of a buried alloy which corrodes and becomes ionized in the soil, I think we will find much less gold dissolving than we find dissolving from the smaller amount of silver alloyed into the same gold object.
For lead alloys, I know a lot of lead will dissolve into the soil to reach toxic levels.
But I also hear reports from LRL experimenters that they have a hard time to detect lead compared to other metals.
It makes me wonder if there is some other metal in the bullet that g-sani found.

I am amazed to hear your report for the Examiner locating your buried coins.
Can you say what model of Examiner you have?
I have tested a fairly recent Examiner TG model and a Deluxe model, and I found that nobody who tried it was able to locate anything with them so far.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloys) that have copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper) as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion). The best known traditional types are bronze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze), where tin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin) is a significant addition, and brass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass), using zinc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copper_alloys#cite_note-0#cite_note-0)

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel), copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead) copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age), are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.



Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies....

[MIJ]

Qiaozhi

I note your comment about my Ranger Tell that I mentioned in my post but it happens? I can’t explain why?

I think you understand me when I say that the RT some times works for me, but out in field test it gets completely confused and over whelmed by false signal lines.

I would hardly poke fun at the device “as in my post Unbelievable Rare Find with my RT E (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18436)” if I thought that it worked properly and consistently.

J P
I bought my Examiner in 2006 and it was the just called the Ranger Tell Examiner, I give a brief mention using it in my very first thread I posted hear http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18267 (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18267)

I would be happy to discuss the RT unit but I think we should do it in the LRL section or we will get a slap on the bum.

[MIJ]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/clear.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0KsHXj_0w&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.

Hi g-sani,

Just wondered if you have been out in the fields to do any more testing with your Crypton?


Regards :)

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,

Just wondered if you have been out in the fields to do any more testing with your Crypton?


Regards :)

Hi MIJ,
No I haven't been anywhere yet because everything is covered in snow for the last two months.It is not actually snowing but the temperature is very low. Day time max 7 Celcius and night time below zero. I think it is going to be a couple of months until I get out in the field.

Regards
g-sani

[MIJ]

Hi MIJ,
No I haven't been anywhere yet because everything is covered in snow for the last two months.It is not actually snowing but the temperature is very low. Day time max 7 Celcius and night time below zero. I think it is going to be a couple of months until I get out in the field.

Regards
g-sani

Wow I didn’t think you have had snow, it been quite good weather hear, I suppose we have to take what’s sent down to us from above.

Anyway good luck for your future searches

Regards :)

[MIJ]

Any more news on Testing Crypton OBMD-1

I found this link it’s about 2months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp)

[Qiaozhi]

Any more news on Testing Crypton OBMD-1

I found this link it’s about 2months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp)
Here's the website ->
http://www.crypton.com.gr/ (in Greek)
http://www.crypton.com.gr/crypton.html (in English)
The designer is Andreas Christi.

[MIJ]

Here's the website ->
http://www.crypton.com.gr/ (in Greek)
http://www.crypton.com.gr/crypton.html (in English)
The designer is Andreas Christi.

Thanks Qiaozhi
This must be a new website.

I hade the link to the first website where I had made inquires to Andreas about the Crypton.

The last news from him was that they where making more tests in different country’s over the winter months to see how the Crypton preformed.

I presume that the tests where good then?

[Morgan]

Thanks Qiaozhi
This must be a new website.

I hade the link to the first website where I had made inquires to Andreas about the Crypton.

The last news from him was that they where making more tests in different country’s over the winter months to see how the Crypton preformed.

I presume that the tests where good then?

Hi Mij

the Crypton is in field tests together with one PDK-2,in Mexico,i hope Hugo will tell us more about the Crypton.

i´m happy that Hugo found one silver ring with his PDK .

[MIJ]

Hi Mij

the Crypton is in field tests together with one PDK-2,in Mexico,i hope Hugo will tell us more about the Crypton.

i´m happy that Hugo found one silver ring with his PDK .


Hi Morgan,

That’s good news about the Silver Ring found with the PDK.

I hope that more good finds will come.;)

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,

That’s good news about the Silver Ring found with the PDK.

I hope that more good finds will come.;)

There are a lot of founds in Greece,but people are afraid to post here about that.
anyway it will be interesting to explain about depths and distances.
And most of people who was looking for WWII gold become surprised to pick muck more old old objects...

[Geo]

There are a lot of founds in Greece,but people are afraid to post here about that.
anyway it will be interesting to explain about depths and distances.
And most of people who was looking for WWII gold become surprised to pick muck more old old objects...

The signal at Greece is very low compared with the signal at Portugal.
I worked with 2 PDK constructed by you but no good results. They was the same with mine, not clear beeps as at your videos or at MIJ video.

Regards

[Funfinder]

> The signal at Greece is very low compared with the signal at Portugal.

Great, so the very critical and high-complicated fine tuning was for nothing...

Vice Versa this will mean that a Greece-tuned detector will have either very low or far too high signal level in Portugal.

And you can't make it universal-adjustable without knowing the reason why or in other words - what energy really gets detected.

That's why it's so important to find out the principle behind!


Compare it with a TV that doesn't work anymore.
The repair service first has to find out the failure,
otherwise you can throw away that TV-set.

Its one of the very first and basic principles of electronics:
First you need to know WHY and HOW it works,
next you can built something reliable working with this technique.

Otherwise you are poking around in the dark.





13 months later and Crypton Minis for sale now - any new results?

[g-sani]

I believe that if we could have less frequencies in the air the result would be completely different for LRLs like that.
Probably Morgan could come over to Greece sometime and try and adjust his PDK for the conditions over here.

[Morgan]

I believe that if we could have less frequencies in the air the result would be completely different for LRLs like that.
Probably Morgan could come over to Greece sometime and try and adjust his PDK for the conditions over here.

Hi

the PDK-2.1 was already adjusted to Greece,i made a few adjusts in the circuits and a new coil.

I receive very positive emails about performance and finds,and many people want to buy PDKs but I realy dont have the free time to build this LRLs...

The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.


Regards

[g-sani]

Hi

the PDK-2.1 was already adjusted to Greece,i made a few adjusts in the circuits and a new coil.

I receive very positive emails about performance and finds,and many people want to buy PDKs but I realy dont have the free time to build this LRLs...

The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.


Regards

I see Morgan.
I realised that Crypton works best after it gets dark and the difference is dramatic.What do you think happens in this case?

[Morgan]

> The signal at Greece is very low compared with the signal at Portugal.

Great, so the very critical and high-complicated fine tuning was for nothing...

Vice Versa this will mean that a Greece-tuned detector will have either very low or far too high signal level in Portugal.

And you can't make it universal-adjustable without knowing the reason why or in other words - what energy really gets detected.

That's why it's so important to find out the principle behind!


Compare it with a TV that doesn't work anymore.
The repair service first has to find out the failure,
otherwise you can throw away that TV-set.

Its one of the very first and basic principles of electronics:
First you need to know WHY and HOW it works,
next you can built something reliable working with this technique.

Otherwise you are poking around in the dark.





13 months later and Crypton Minis for sale now - any new results?

Hi

as I remember ,Geo recently made a new thread somewere,telling about a friend who found silver coins with new PDK-2.1,i supose the new PDK with more power. So the PDKs tested by Geo was the previous models(not so powerfull) who are working using the VHF electromagnetic waves from the TV transmitters in the area,anyway this previous PDKs can pick very easy gold or silver objects size of soda can 33cl whitout any VHF transmitter in the area,and if very well calibrated is posible to locate single coin too.

The sucess with PDKs on finding small objects depends on the operator skill to adjust the FINE TUNING,this is realy very dificult for some and easy for others with more experience.It is possible to build the PDK with good voltage regulator to make it very stable and avoid the time to time calibrations,however this construction is dificult ,more expensive and the PDK need more battery,as result it become heavy to work.
the PDK-2.1 is weight less than 1 kg


Regards

[Morgan]

I see Morgan.
I realised that Crypton works best after it gets dark and the difference is dramatic.What do you think happens in this case?

well,maybe the Crypton have interference with the day light ?

maybe the Crypton works with some INFRARED system ? and the day light confuse the device.

or many other possibilities...

[Funfinder]

I see Morgan.
I realised that Crypton works best after it gets dark and the difference is dramatic.What do you think happens in this case?

OH what a coincidence !!! :lol: :razz:


The AM and short wave radio stations also have a much better signal
starting in the evening til the morning. The reason for this phenomenon
is the reflecting ionosphere! Another coincidence!


LW (153kHz - 279kHz)
AM (531kHz - 1611kHz)


This correlates even somehow to the Morgans VHF claims.

Especially in the autumn time you can get VHF over-wide-ranges,
any ham and amateur-radio person can tell you this.

The AM ground wave is direct, the space-wave is ionosphere reflected.

The main reflection effect the ionosphere has is from 500kHz - 50 MHz.


Longwave from 50kHz - 200kHz is little affected by the ionosphere
and has therefore little field-strenth-difference day VS. night-time.

[g-sani]

OH what a coincidence !!! :lol: :razz:


The AM and short wave radio stations also have a much better signal
starting in the evening til the morning. The reason for this phenomenon
is the reflecting ionosphere! Another coincidence!


LW (153kHz - 279kHz)
AM (531kHz - 1611kHz)


This correlates even somehow to the Morgans VHF claims.

Especially in the autumn time you can get VHF over-wide-ranges,
any ham and amateur-radio person can tell you this.

The AM ground wave is direct, the space-wave is ionosphere reflected.

The main reflection effect the ionosphere has is from 500kHz - 50 MHz.


Longwave from 50kHz - 200kHz is little affected by the ionosphere
and has therefore little field-strenth-difference day VS. night-time.

I experimented while it was summer in Greece and the best time to use Crypton was definatelly in the evening.While detecting on the same place beeps were always less than daytime and you could easilly understand which ones where repeating on the same line.
Regards

[Funfinder]

Hi

the PDK-2.1 was already adjusted to Greece,i made a few adjusts in the circuits and a new coil.

I receive very positive emails about performance and finds,and many people want to buy PDKs but I realy dont have the free time to build this LRLs...

The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.


Regards

This is not the best case if the MD is already adjusted for Greece and the testing people there still get bad results.

There should be a special poti for different countries or for a wide adjustable range.

If the feedback really is good prove it with a scientifical made test.

> The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.

What is this, an FM-Radio?
The TV VHF radio stations broadcast at a band from 50-75 MHz and from ca. 200 to 500 MHz.

And the digital (before analog) SAT Signal is at ca. 10GHz.

I doubt you will receive with this 60kHz Longwave Receiver any VHF at all and also no SFX (special effects) from VHF.


I experimented while it was summer in Greece and the best time to use Crypton was definatelly in the evening.While detecting on the same place beeps were always less than daytime and you could easilly understand which ones where repeating on the same line.
Regards

This is not good, this is a lack of sensitivity.
There should be a variable transistor or capacitor etc. to tune it at daytime to an useful sensitivity.

Otherwise whats next: A Crypton model that only works usable if the full moon is shining?

[g-sani]

This is not good, this is a lack of sensitivity.
There should be a variable transistor or capacitor etc. to tune it at daytime to an useful sensitivity.
Otherwise whats next: A Crypton model that only works usable if the full moon is shining?

Andreas is very good in electronics.I am sure he will make Crypton better and better.

[jimys]

hi
im travelling arround greece and im never see noone owner of crypton or noone talk about this lrl pass from any field that i know.
anyway im still waiting more infos from andreas for many months .............

[g-sani]

hi
im travelling arround greece and im never see noone owner of crypton or noone talk about this lrl pass from any field that i know.
anyway im still waiting more infos from andreas for many months .............

As far as I know he has an office an a construction firm in the center of Athens.
If you are travelling so much as you say why you don't go there and visit him in person?
Go to the following page and press contact in the upper right hand side.There you see full addresses and telephone numbers.
http://www.crypton.com.gr/
Regards
g-sani

[ANDREAS]

This is not good, this is a lack of sensitivity.
There should be a variable transistor or capacitor etc. to tune it at daytime to an useful sensitivity.


Hi funfinder
Very soon .. Maybe February, it becomes an official presentation of the new model our OBMD-2
What is news.
Double distance detection
With extra trimmer to enable each user to calibration- setup very easy in his homeland, etc. .. etc.
This machine has inside a extra receiver and it can work with a special ground- generator for more stimulate a target
We are very busy, for quick start and ofcourse upgrade all OBMD-1 if need our customers.
best regards

[WM6]

Hi Andreas,

why you need to upgrade your OBDM, if previous model work so fantastic as claimed?

Or it only "work", but cannot find anything and we need commercial upgrade to revitalise the sale?

[ANDREAS]

Hi Andreas,

why you need to upgrade your OBDM, if previous model work so fantastic as claimed?

Or it only "work", but cannot find anything and we need commercial upgrade to revitalise the sale?
A promotion policy can be done in several ways. But the true is... A support to our customers shows seriousness. When they are happy, the old customers, we have an obligation to propose something better for him. Therefore do the best for our customers. The upgrades for OBMD-1 are two extra PCB. So please do not judge a "movement" present first time world market.

regards
Andreas

[Funfinder]

Hi funfinder
Very soon .. Maybe February, it becomes an official presentation of the new model our OBMD-2
What is news.
Double distance detection
With extra trimmer to enable each user to calibration- setup very easy in his homeland, etc. .. etc.
This machine has inside a extra receiver and it can work with a special ground- generator for more stimulate a target
We are very busy, for quick start and ofcourse upgrade all OBMD-1 if need our customers.
best regards

Hi Andreas

Good to hear from you.

The big problem here in this forum is, that many people are very unsettled
what they should think concerning: "does it really work".

So it would be very important that also The Crypton Mini contains some
home-country-calibration-possibility (plus day vs night-time difference compensation).

This is crucial important because almost every in this topic interested first wants
to buy and test the Crypton Mini to see if you are producing really working devices.

The most best idea would be to create the Crypton Mini as upgradable itself.


Perhaps in this year I have alot free time for a longer trip around the
balkanic countries so I could buy and test one of your detectors directly in Greece and other countries.


This would be a huge step further into a final really clear YES or NO
(does it really work or not - because there exists many inveterate skeptics concerning the whole LRL topic).

Congratulations to the Double distance detection now.

I hope we will see new good videoclips from tests.
In spring time, if the weather starts to get warmer outside,
you may have some time and find other persons too so you
are able organize and film those tests.

Still too many open questions.
As example what is the distance near the find when the
detection-signal stops or: how large is the detected area?

Interesting thing with that ground stimulator.
Perhaps this is the breakthrough to real reliable LRL detection!

Greetings and thx for your good work.

[ANDREAS]

Hi Funfinder
The crypton mini don't have this feature. Only series OBMD can be done. I thought of something .... for better and objective information of members. When I'm ready to be updated from the forums.
best regards

[Funfinder]

Welcome back, Andreas

It's really great that you are willed to interact in and with this forum
because alot persons here completly refuse to behave on a real
useful basis! If they continue that way even in 10 years they will
not discover the smallest clue or proof if and how LRL really work
or not!

The situation is a real tragedy here, frustration without end!


There has alot to be done until it is possible to come to
clear and concrete results.

One important point concerning your LRLs:

People here are waiting for some test reports and videos about
the Crypton Mini. They wanna hear and see how and what
success custumers of this device already had with it.

So it would be great if you could direct some of them to this
forum so that we can get some authentic information.

You also can provide such info which really is needed here
otherwise no user from this forum will buy the Crypton Mini
because all of them are already have become extremly skeptic
after all the fraud and tricks that are going on with other LRLs!

We also have Geo here, an old "friend" of yours
(and meanwhile also of mine...) who doesn't
talk very well about your LRLs. So alot people are unsecured
what they should think about it.

It's really important to make it possible to convince people
by hard facts, real good made tests and on a scientifical basis
if you wanna have good business success.

If you can manage to provide real meaningful and accepted
information that and why your LRLs are really working this would
be a sensation, especially for this forum - and it would be a must
if you want to sell your devices on a real highly respected basis.

I have nothing to do with metal detector selling, production or
business but I have good connections and because it is fantastic
that your LRL is available on a good price tag and because it would
be a gigantic new opportunity in treasure-hunting if such a device
really works on a reliable and useful basis of course I will support
your task. But first the whole "info work" has to be made on a
real good level, otherwise you will be just another LRL-seller
that hides in the dark fog of all those scammers and betrayers
that sell not-reliable or not at all working crap and I'm shure
you don't wanna be on the same unrespectable level of them!


So please provide us with really convincing and technical based
good info and tests - this is absolutly important!

If your LRL makes a good job it will hit the treasure-hunter-scene
like a bomb, especially here in Europe!



I wish you all the best with the needed and important
publicity work - it will decide about the success you can have!

This is an extremly important task, especially for this forum !!!

[ANDREAS]

Hi Funfinder
I found a tip to make an objective presentation without my face.I believe personally video's don't give the reality. I only need a little time to finish "the way". With this tip is no doubt from anyone.
regards

[Sood]

ANDREAS tell me what it would cost OBMD-2? When they go on sale?
Regards

[ANDREAS]

Hi Sood.
I need first for all a objective presentation without my face. After this presentation i can publish my site new model of course and price.
OBMD-2 is not a dream machine. This is a real LRL with small problems (for example cannot detect fine a target if we have snow or thunders). With extra ground generator i think all problems are solved, but i need a presentation OBMD-2 work without ground generator. This is danger for me, but I need, customers trust my person and don't believes other opinions, without objective
regards

[Sood]

Thank you. We will wait for the results. As I understood from OBMD-2 to look for the treasure when there is no snow and thunder?
Sorry for my bad English.
regards

[Funfinder]

Hi Funfinder
I found a tip to make an objective presentation without my face.I believe personally video's don't give the reality. I only need a little time to finish "the way". With this tip is no doubt from anyone.
regards

Hi Andreas,

cool, seems you have a good progress at the moment.
I hope the weather in Greece already is OK for treasure hunting.

Videos are not the best but they could give some impression
whats really going on, how the Crypton should be used etc.

btw. can you tell how many Minis you have sold already and
how's the reaction so far from the customers.

We will need really authentic treasure-hunting info about
your Crypton Mini, all you can give us, because this will
be the entrance-door for the much better OBMD-1 or 2.

I wonder what kind of tip you got, very interesting.


greetings and have fun!

[Funfinder]

Thank you. We will wait for the results. As I understood from OBMD-2 to look for the treasure when there is no snow and thunder?
Sorry for my bad English.
regards

Hi and privit,

Your english is fine. :) And there always is a difference between technical english and universal talking.

If the weather is bad or if there is snow the very weak
"special detection field-strengh" will be reduced alot.

Let's hope Andreas has alot success to make the OBMD
more sensitive and tunable for different weather-conditions
and the ground generator works on a reliable basis.

[Sood]

Hi and privit,

Your english is fine. :) And there always is a difference between technical english and universal talking.

If the weather is bad or if there is snow the very weak
"special detection field-strengh" will be reduced alot.

Let's hope Andreas has alot success to make the OBMD
more sensitive and tunable for different weather-conditions
and the ground generator works on a reliable basis.


Privit! :)
I want to believe that OBMD will work reliably in all weather conditions and all countries ... :)

[Funfinder]

Privit! :)
I want to believe that OBMD will work reliably in all weather conditions and all countries ... :)

If the circuit is flexible enough for adjustment and high sensitive
it should work everywhere and also if weather is not optimal.



Someone should invite Andreas for a nice holiday-trip around all the
European countries so he can test it everywhere. :D

A treasure hunter that has found already 10kg of pure gold
or a huge company may sponsor him.

It would pays off for shure if the OBMD works and sells good. :)

[Sood]

If the circuit is flexible enough for adjustment and high sensitive
it should work everywhere and also if weather is not optimal.



Someone should invite Andreas for a nice holiday-trip around all the
European countries so he can test it everywhere. :D

A treasure hunter that has found already 10kg of pure gold
or a huge company may sponsor him.

It would pays off for shure if the OBMD works and sells good. :)

If OBMD will actually work, Andreas is able to travel around the world for free. Will be very much willing to invite Andreas to his country to find the treasure. :)

[Funfinder]

Would be really important if Andreas could manage to
visit this thread at least once a weak and informs us
about all the news.

If weather already is warm enough in Greece we would
like to hear also about the newest outdoor test-results. :cool:

[ANDREAS]

If weather already is warm enough in Greece we would
like to hear also about the newest outdoor test-results. :cool:
We have done all the tests in the previous year. The problem is.. video's presentation of me, in my opinion is not objective. In this area I work, and I am looking for a method of becoming a video without my presence. I don't want doubt. I wait a test to be done in America (maybe next week) and will be announced after the way, how to do test in Europe without a doubt.
This is risk for me, but definitely a machine that is better than it has been presented so far in the world-market, worth the effort.
It's also a good opportunity to stop "those who say they know and in fact are ignorant" to stop the fairy tales
regards

[Funfinder]

Hi,

> The problem is.. video's presentation of me, in my opinion is not objective.

You must to do a real good job if you wanna be accepted here in this forum. But if you can succeed, you will be the king of LRLs! :)

The situation is very bad here:
We have persons like Dell Winders and others who claim their LRLs would really work - but they can't provide hard enough facts.

We have Mineoro and OKM and their reputation here is very low.


You're right, video is no objective argument if it comes to Country!

You would need respectful persons on your side who have to lose their pride, reputation or good image and who confirm that your LRL was working at this and that location under this and that weather conditions.

No easy task. If you have the chance you can start to visit close nearby sites within Greece, 20km, 80km, 200km away from Athens.

If you get successful hunting-results there, also at 200km distance, it is likely that it also will work outside Greece. Next you can test it 500-1000km away north, south, east and west.

Without such tests the same situation as with Mineoro and OKM will happen - people won't buy it from distant countries because it doesn't work.


Of course there would be a simple way around:
Therefore you must give us a simple test schematic you have tested it works in Greece so people in America, northern Europe, Asia or other countries can built and test it theirselves.

I doubt you will do that, highly probable you will think that way your furrs will swim away and you will not have "exclusive business", but seen from the opposite, you will have no good business at all if the info makes the round that the Crypton doesn't work outside Greece.

You have to decide.


And if you wait too long to provide realistic, proven, reliable and trustworthy info the interest for your LRLs will vanish very soon.

I guess around 75% of all people here in this forum already doesn't believe your LRLs really work anyway. Too many frustrating and criminal things have happend already!


With only vague info and avoiding to tell about all kind of clear and needed facts only the suspicion will raise.


I think at least you have to made public on what principle it works and that this principle proven and testable works.


Or do you have better ideas how to convince interested treasure-hunters why spent a huge amount of money for your products?

The argument:
"Perhaps or maybe the LRL will find something"
does not work.


We must see it realistic. Its sad that you have to pay some price now because of all those many LRL-fraudsters and mysterious-chandlers who ruined the complete LRL-reputation extremly !!! :angry:

But no problem for you, if you can offer a real working product and if you are able to convince the treasure-hunting-community that and how good it really works.


Good luck! :)

[g-sani]

Hi,

> The problem is.. video's presentation of me, in my opinion is not objective.

You must to do a real good job if you wanna be accepted here in this forum. But if you can succeed, you will be the king of LRLs! :)

The situation is very bad here:
We have persons like Dell Winders and others who claim their LRLs would really work - but they can't provide hard enough facts.

We have Mineoro and OKM and their reputation here is very low.


You're right, video is no objective argument if it comes to Country!

You would need respectful persons on your side who have to lose their pride, reputation or good image and who confirm that your LRL was working at this and that location under this and that weather conditions.

No easy task. If you have the chance you can start to visit close nearby sites within Greece, 20km, 80km, 200km away from Athens.

If you get successful hunting-results there, also at 200km distance, it is likely that it also will work outside Greece. Next you can test it 500-1000km away north, south, east and west.

Without such tests the same situation as with Mineoro and OKM will happen - people won't buy it from distant countries because it doesn't work.


Of course there would be a simple way around:
Therefore you must give us a simple test schematic you have tested it works in Greece so people in America, northern Europe, Asia or other countries can built and test it theirselves.

I doubt you will do that, highly probable you will think that way your furrs will swim away and you will not have "exclusive business", but seen from the opposite, you will have no good business at all if the info makes the round that the Crypton doesn't work outside Greece.

You have to decide.


And if you wait too long to provide realistic, proven, reliable and trustworthy info the interest for your LRLs will vanish very soon.

I guess around 75% of all people here in this forum already doesn't believe your LRLs really work anyway. Too many frustrating and criminal things have happend already!


With only vague info and avoiding to tell about all kind of clear and needed facts only the suspicion will raise.


I think at least you have to made public on what principle it works and that this principle proven and testable works.


Or do you have better ideas how to convince interested treasure-hunters why spent a huge amount of money for your products?

The argument:
"Perhaps or maybe the LRL will find something"
does not work.


We must see it realistic. Its sad that you have to pay some price now because of all those many LRL-fraudsters and mysterious-chandlers who ruined the complete LRL-reputation extremly !!! :angry:

But no problem for you, if you can offer a real working product and if you are able to convince the treasure-hunting-community that and how good it really works.


Good luck! :)

My opinion Funfinder is that it will take much time until most of the people realise that an LRL really works.In cases like this that somebody has to adjust the sensitivity sometimes to the very limit will also need time to learn and use it out in the field which is completely different from testing it in front of a tv set.
What I believe is that somebody has to play whith the fine sensitivity button while detecting and this is a necessity in order to understand if a target is real or not.
What an LRL user wants at the begining is to have just constant signals or in other words "having continually beeps on the same lines". My experience says that usually you also get some other beeps that you have to decide if they come from targets or not.Checking them if they come randomly is one way to judge.But then it might be another target further away which probably reaches the LRL's detecting range and you have to consider such a possibility as well.
This is why you need to work whith the fine button increasing or decreasing sensitivity by small increments and check everytime you do it the outcome coming from your locator.
While decreasing sensitivity for example one thing you will look for is to see if it will be a time that you only get just one signal line.
And of course this would be the ideal case.
I am saying all this as a proof to my belief that LRLs also need the users brain to work in order to get the results we desire.
Skeptics probably would be happier to see an LRL that digs as well.
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised. :)
Regards
g-sani

[Funfinder]

Very good reply, g-sani!


> My opinion Funfinder is that it will take much time until most of the people realise that an LRL really works.


Correct, this also has to to with technical understanding, having a feeling already how to deal with delicated tuned or high sensitive electronics - so around 20% may have all this already and the rest will need some time for the needed learning-curve.

BUT: This only is an option if those people are working with a LRL that really works at all, and 80% of all available devices in this region are pure bulls**t!


And the "real working LRLs" with its almost criminal aura of secrecty and "magic-processor-inside - philosophy" (because many of their producers refuses all kinds of scientifical tests or even thinking!) only work if the working-principle behinds is versatile and flexible enough.

Who needs LRLs that only works finetuned 10km around the region of the company?! No one! :nono:


Per instance if that LRL is based on earth magnetical field induction it has to be able to deal with very different field strenghts!
If the sensitivity tuner can't handle this range it is worthless!



Check out:
International Geomagnetic Reference Field (IGRF)

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html (http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html)

see grafic below - huge differences!

Equator fieldstrenght: 30 microTesla (uT) (1 uT = 1000 nanoTesla nT)
Middle-Europe: 48 (20 uT horizontally, 44 uT vertically)
earth pole region: 60 uT


> While decreasing sensitivity for example one thing you will look for is to see if it will be a time that you only get just one signal line.

Such problems may occure, especially if the LRL doesn't use enough directional antennas if this is possible or if the contrast factor of the detection circuit creates too blurry signals.


But on top of all this is the commitment of the LRL producer that he provides povable facts and results that his device is really capable in detecting the stated and declared stuff at all.

And the users brain is no excuse for devices that are built far too complicated, unreliable or not working at specific regions at all.



btw. it is a very bad signal that Mineoro, who already worked with those know passive-LW-receiver PDK circuits 30 years ago still is not able to produce a real working product, otherwise not such dirty and criminal tricks would have to be used!

If Mineoro would haved fooled me personally and robbed me 10.000 dollars that way they would pay already a high price! For me those are very poor persons who let deceive them, let steal them thousands of dollars and afterwards simply do nothing! Poor, helpless and stupid people, nothing than sad "victims" !


Those Mineoro circuits have failed big time! :angry:

And Morgan or Geo also may improve their "old-school" circuits for 30 years from now on and I doubt they will achieve any "better" results as Mineoro got already! Thats the price for the whole non-transparency and secretiveness! :angry:

"If you look long enough into the abyss, the abyss will start to look out of yourself!" (Friedrich Nietzsche)


For luck we have Andreas who is know as correctly working so far :) and we will see if he fails or if he will do a good job. For shure he will have to do alot professional convincing puplicity work to overcome critical things which have been destroyed in the domain of LRL since many years like, especially trust and confidence...

In the whole treasure-hunting community perhaps meanwhile only 1% believes that a LRL really works and metal-detector dealers fear for their good reputation if they offer such dubious devices.

A very high price for the creme de la creme of treasure detectors! :lol:

[g-sani]

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Check out:
International Geomagnetic Reference Field (IGRF)
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html (http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html)
see grafic below - huge differences!
Equator fieldstrenght: 30 microTesla (uT) (1 uT = 1000 nanoTesla nT)
Middle-Europe: 48 (20 uT horizontally, 44 uT vertically)
earth pole region: 60 uT................................................ .............
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Hi Funfinder,
once many years ago I came accross a program from National Geographic that you could give it some place on earth and it could give you the field strength in that particular place.
I remember it was a time I was trying to figure out why it might be possible for a mineoro to work over there and not here in Greece.I was surprised to find out the big difference in field strength.
Regards

[WM6]

I was surprised to find out the big difference in field strength.


They say that difference exist between continents (par example: South America shows everywhere good phenomena to mineoro fraudulent boxes).

But as we can see on field-mag-maps differences are everywhere not only between continents.

Probably there is not about mag-field strength, but about naive-believe strength.

[g-sani]

They say that difference exist between continents (par example: South America shows everywhere good phenomena to mineoro fraudulent boxes).

But as we can see on field-mag-maps differences are everywhere not only between continents.

Probably there is not about mag-field strength, but about naive-believe strength.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Never say never

[Morgan]

Very good reply, g-sani!


> My opinion Funfinder is that it will take much time until most of the people realise that an LRL really works.


Correct, this also has to to with technical understanding, having a feeling already how to deal with delicated tuned or high sensitive electronics - so around 20% may have all this already and the rest will need some time for the needed learning-curve.

BUT: This only is an option if those people are working with a LRL that really works at all, and 80% of all available devices in this region are pure bulls**t!


And the "real working LRLs" with its almost criminal aura of secrecty and "magic-processor-inside - philosophy" (because many of their producers refuses all kinds of scientifical tests or even thinking!) only work if the working-principle behinds is versatile and flexible enough.

Who needs LRLs that only works finetuned 10km around the region of the company?! No one! :nono:


Per instance if that LRL is based on earth magnetical field induction it has to be able to deal with very different field strenghts!
If the sensitivity tuner can't handle this range it is worthless!



Check out:
International Geomagnetic Reference Field (IGRF)

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html (http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html)

see grafic below - huge differences!

Equator fieldstrenght: 30 microTesla (uT) (1 uT = 1000 nanoTesla nT)
Middle-Europe: 48 (20 uT horizontally, 44 uT vertically)
earth pole region: 60 uT


> While decreasing sensitivity for example one thing you will look for is to see if it will be a time that you only get just one signal line.

Such problems may occure, especially if the LRL doesn't use enough directional antennas if this is possible or if the contrast factor of the detection circuit creates too blurry signals.


But on top of all this is the commitment of the LRL producer that he provides povable facts and results that his device is really capable in detecting the stated and declared stuff at all.

And the users brain is no excuse for devices that are built far too complicated, unreliable or not working at specific regions at all.



btw. it is a very bad signal that Mineoro, who already worked with those know passive-LW-receiver PDK circuits 30 years ago still is not able to produce a real working product, otherwise not such dirty and criminal tricks would have to be used!

If Mineoro would haved fooled me personally and robbed me 10.000 dollars that way they would pay already a high price! For me those are very poor persons who let deceive them, let steal them thousands of dollars and afterwards simply do nothing! Poor, helpless and stupid people, nothing than sad "victims" !


Those Mineoro circuits have failed big time! :angry:

And Morgan or Geo also may improve their "old-school" circuits for 30 years from now on and I doubt they will achieve any "better" results as Mineoro got already! Thats the price for the whole non-transparency and secretiveness! :angry:

"If you look long enough into the abyss, the abyss will start to look out of yourself!" (Friedrich Nietzsche)


For luck we have Andreas who is know as correctly working so far :) and we will see if he fails or if he will do a good job. For shure he will have to do alot professional convincing puplicity work to overcome critical things which have been destroyed in the domain of LRL since many years like, especially trust and confidence...

In the whole treasure-hunting community perhaps meanwhile only 1% believes that a LRL really works and metal-detector dealers fear for their good reputation if they offer such dubious devices.

A very high price for the creme de la creme of treasure detectors! :lol:

hi

thanks a lot for this amazing world strenght field picture,this is very useful.
I see my country and Greece with the same strenght values,both in the white area...and for example Mexico with three diferent strenght values according territory extention,this is very interesting,and maybe the reason why Sood experience N S lines with his PDK,UKRAIN is in very diferent ground value from here,see in the picture.


regards

[Funfinder]

@ g-sani

> I remember it was a time I was trying to figure out why it might be possible for a mineoro to work over there and not here in Greece.

Shure, there are differences, but Mineoro should have known about it and built in an adjustable enough range for the finetuning.


Lets assume the field strenght on earth is inbetween a level of 10-100 uTesla.

And the field-change effect if there is a buried metal is from 0.1 - 0.01 uTesla (10-100 nano Tesla).

So there are two different fine-tuning circuits needed, one from 10-100 uTesla to cover the complete earth and one that goes on an extra level from 0.01 to 0.1 or even better from 0.01 to 1 uTesla for the very weak treasure magnetfield-distortions.



WM6:
> Probably there is not about mag-field strength, but about naive-believe strength.

Good point, especially if the magnetical signal line is assumed 1km long, I highly doubt that after such a large distance it is still possible to get a clear signal, even if the find is 15m large. Much more probable you will detect differences of huge ground-mineralization-areas that way, per instance if a mountain is close nearby that contains ore.

From what distance was reported the most far away LRL-find so far? 100 meters for a huge metal-chest???

Everything beyond 100 meters should be seen very skeptical to be detectable at all.



But at lower range such a "handhold pistol motion magnetometer" for shure can work and pick up signals from the horizontal field curves and distortions if the contrast-level is high / clearly interpretable / enough.


btw. I guess this is now offtopic here, because the Crypton does work on a different basis / principle than the PDK. I also doubt that Andreas will induce magnetical field lines with his "ground-generator".




Thanks for the reply, Morgan.

> I see my country and Greece with the same strenght values,both in the white area...and for example Mexico with three diferent strenght values according territory extention

I hope we can find a much more detailed map, and those values also change every year.

The earthmagnetical field is multi-segmented, not like a bar magnet, even if the strongest areas are at the poles.

It also will depend alot how many meters of mineralized ground someone has below his feets and how this mineralization changes.

Next we have horizontal but also vertical magnetic field lines which means that the magnetical-coil will get different readings if hold horizontal, vertical or at an angle of 45°. Sometimes the field-lines come out from the earth very flat, sometimes very steep.


Morgan, to get an european-wide working PDK the best method would be:

1: finding an accurate, up to date and much more detailed map
2: visiting places in Portugal (if there are any) or close nearby which already have significantly changed field-conditions and check out at this locations how you can adjust the PDK
3: built in a preset switch (analog switch with different resistors or capacitors) so a person can chose directly highly different magneticfield-conditions

4: try to create different conditions by portable electromagnets or strong permanent-magnets outside under real testfield conditions and adjust PDK to new sitation (this may help to understand where exactly those needed adjustments must be made)

5: check out if at mountains in Portugal or spain the field-Strenght is highly changed

[g-sani]

While talking about differences in field strength and according to different places I am very sure that soil conditions affect its value in a big proportion.
Is it?
It seems to me logical that it will be a big difference in strength value when in a high mineralised ground.Especially if we have mineralised rocks.I noticed many times that you leave a place going a few kms further away and you are allready having a problem adjusting your MD.
Does it have to do whith the electromagnetic field strength that is completely different in this place? But where is this fact coming from?
It might be big changes in strength value from place to place and never mind about being in a different country.
Even a simple compass can show disturbances in a highly mineralised field.
Probably there are so many parameters that we are trying to combine them as a single one.
Not very easy. :nono:
I believe it will be always limitations when it comes to LRLs and don't say I am wrong in that.

[Funfinder]

> a place going a few kms further away and you are allready having a problem adjusting your MD.

Which MD?


> Does it have to do whith the electromagnetic field strength that is completely different in this place? But where is this fact coming from?

An usual MD should be immune against the earths magnetic field.

The soil and the metallic minerals of the bedrock for shure will influnce the earths magneticfield alot.

And depending on the minerals some or many of the metal molecules are aligning with this field.

Perhaps this is the reason why an usual metal-detector destroys the very weak "LRL phenomenon signal". It demagnetized the ground or soil at an area of its radiated MDs detection field range (perhaps up to 5 meter!).

[Dave J.]

The map you see above is not the geomagnetic field. It is departures from the reference field, the reference field being a mathematical model. If you don't understand what the map is, it's the perfect alabi for all this recent discussion as to why someone can pretend an LRL really works in one spot but doesn't work any place else unless you get lucky.

The map serves a purpose in geophysics, which is to identify regional anomalies which may reflect differences in the magnet properties of the earth's crust over those regions. This in turn helps to understand things like geological history, earthquakes, vulcanism, and the possible presence of economic mineral deposits. The magnitude of these regional anomalies is almost everywhere less than 0.1% of the magnitude of the modeled reference field. Over some small areas the departure from the reference field is well over 0.1%. Such anomalies are commonly observed over concentrations of magnetite, due to a combination of both magnetic susceptibility and remanent magnetism.

Any anomaly of the magnitude of the field is associated with anomalies of the angle of the field vector. This is the principle behind the Spanish dip compass, history's first electromagnetic geophysical prospecting apparatus.

The question was raised whether metal detectors respond to the geomagnetic field or anomalies of same. Metal detectors are designed to eliminate such response. Sometimes the effect is seen in pulse induction metal detectors but I don't recall having ever seen it in a VLF induction balance machine. This is detection of the reference field I'm talking about, not detection of an anomaly that's a thousand times weaker than the reference field.

VLF induction balance metal detectors do detect magnetic susceptibility, but only in response to the field that the transmitter creates, at their frequency of operation.

And then there's LRL's. Lacking any principle of actual long range detection of buried valuables, the illusion that somehow maybe they do something anyhow is kept alive by pseudoscience (including things like a genuine map created for geophysicists completely misinterpreted by wishful-thinking LRL'ers), by dowsing rods, by sensors that really do respond to "something invisible" which however has nothing to do with locating buried valuables, and by fraudulent demonstrations such as those performed by Mineoro using concealed transmitters.

--Dave J.

[g-sani]

> a place going a few kms further away and you are allready having a problem adjusting your MD.

Which MD?


> Does it have to do whith the electromagnetic field strength that is completely different in this place? But where is this fact coming from?

An usual MD should be immune against the earths magnetic field.

The soil and the metallic minerals of the bedrock for shure will influnce the earths magneticfield alot.

And depending on the minerals some or many of the metal molecules are aligning with this field.

Perhaps this is the reason why an usual metal-detector destroys the very weak "LRL phenomenon signal". It demagnetized the ground or soil at an area of its radiated MDs detection field range (perhaps up to 5 meter!).

Yes I am talking about the soil and the metallic minerals of the bedrock making it difficult for your metal detector

[Dave J.]

Considering how difficult ground mineralization makes it to detect a gold coin a mere 40 cm away, think how difficult it would be to detect a gold coin at 40,000 cm (a mere 0.4 km, about a quarter mile) through a volume of ground and rock mineralization a U.S. trillion times as great, even if the whole process were linear and not wrecked by the 3rd power law of magnetic dipoles.

Further consider the fact that commercial metal detectors in order to be competitive in the present market have to implement in a competent fashion technology developed within the last 30 years, whereas in the LRL market technology itself is irrelevant other than for what the manufacturer can bandy about buzzwords that sound like they mean something to people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.

To people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.

To people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.

If you don't understand the salespitch, and are too proud to admit that the salespitch makes no sense, another pigeon perched at the entrance to the bank will drop to the ground, and you're that pigeon. That is the principle behind the scam called "pigeon drop". Google it, it's been around even longer than I have.

*******

I'm not saying that it will never be possible to detect a buried gold coin at 0.4 km depending exclusively on signals from the coin itself (and not for example prior knowledge of its probable location). What I'm saying is that the current state of the art is in three categories: metal detection of the well-known kind, outright imagination, and fraud to fill the gap.

Of those three, which ever you want, it's available. Take your pick.

--Dave J.

[g-sani]

..................... whereas in the LRL market technology itself is irrelevant other than for what the manufacturer can bandy about buzzwords that sound like they mean something to people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.
To people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.
...................................
--Dave J.

Yes it is probably the most efficient technique for them when they invent special buzzwords to promote their sales and which for the rest of the world mean nothing.

[kaligula]

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[Qiaozhi]

OK guys, no need to start a war. Please try to be civil and leave out the personal abuse.

[Geo]

What you deleted???
I can't understand what you mean!!!:frown:

[Qiaozhi]

What you deleted???
I can't understand what you mean!!!:frown:
The thread was going completely off-topic concerning the Macedonia naming dispute ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
and there was a lot of personal abuse and name calling. The offending posts were deleted.

You are welcome to discuss the Macedonian dispute in the Off-Topic section, but any name calling will be removed.

[Geo]

Already you too made ​​the first mistake.
Temporarily Skopje called Fyrom and not Macedonia. When settlement of the issue, we will accept the new name, whatever it is. Until then it is Fyrom.
Sorry

After you "read" it, you may delete it...

Regards

[g-sani]

Sorry but you should delete his post Qiaozhi and not mine because you know very well that he started swearing to all Greeks and to my country in general whith no reason at all.
As I said according to his uncivilised behaviour he should be punished from you for at least six months and until he is more polite to those they teached him how to walk down on earth instead of jumping from one tree to another like monkey

[ANDREAS]

Qiaozhi g-sani and geo they have right. The best thing you can do, is banned this man. He Can not insult us:angry:
regards

[Qiaozhi]

Qiaozhi g-sani and geo they have right. The best thing you can do, is banned this man. He Can not insult us:angry:
regards
I understand what you're saying, and any more name calling and abuse will result in the perpetrator taking a sabbatical from the LRL Forum.
Let's just leave it there and get back on topic.

[g-sani]

Ok Qiaozhi.
We all understand that we are not in the subject but it was an attack out of the blue and when it comes like this you loose control my friend.

[Qiaozhi]

Ok Qiaozhi.
We all understand that we are not in the subject but it was an attack out of the blue and when it comes like this you loose control my friend.
In that case, simply click on the red triangle at the top right of the offending post, and report it to Admin so that we can deal with it.

[g-sani]

In that case, simply click on the red triangle at the top right of the offending post, and report it to Admin so that we can deal with it.

You see, all this made some good.
Sorry I didn't know about that.

[Nicolas]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/clear.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0KsHXj_0w&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.


Good luck forever

[g-sani]

God bless you Niko
Best whishes!

[Qiaozhi]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/clear.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0Ks...&feature=g-upl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0KsHXj_0w&feature=g-upl)

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.
What was it that you found?
It's not clear from the video.

[g-sani]

What was it that you found?
It's not clear from the video.

Just check the following post(No10) Qiaozhi and you will find the answer.
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18443

[Qiaozhi]

Just check the following post(No10) Qiaozhi and you will find the answer.
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18443
OK - thanks.

As you said, the place you searched with the DFX was chosen based on a signal from the LRL; but did you search the surrounding area with the DFX (after finding the bullet) to see if there was anything else there? Also, how many other places were there where you decided to detect (based on signals from the LRL) where you found nothing?

It's easy to create a video that shows an LRL giving a signal, then take a metal detector and find something buried there. It's the things you don't tell us that are important, like how many times you went through the same process and found only an empty hole.

I'm sure you believe that your LRL works, but how can you be sure this is not a case of self-deception?

[nelson]

I found this that is crypton OBMD2 test on the beach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9rYwYmSmA

[hung]

There is a rock indicating the spot.
Two options left.
Either the operator had previously detected the signal and used the rock as reference for the video or all of this was a set up to convince the audience.
Assuming the video is showing an authentic detection, it's a nice demonstration. In this case, it's clear that the device when over calibrated, emit random beeps to other directions. And when gain is reduced, it gets quiet also to the target. So, a midway calibration in between the two extremes appears to work at some point, tough the random beeping only diminish but do not cease.
It's also noticeable that the saline and humid environment is jamming the IR sensor. I would suggest the designer of this device to build a more stable comparator circuit for the Murata sensor.
Nice video but it's hard to tell if it's an authentic detection or not. The target could have been planted and the random beeps only to justify the target. Particularly when the sensor is put real close to the humid and saline ground that we all know, enhances ionization.
Also, who posted and made the video is a 'middle east representative' for Crypton. So, as a sales representative, he needs to sell it.
Sorry to be playing the favorite game of the 'skepthics' here but this does not mean that in this case it should not be valid.
I like the video anyway. Apart from being authentic or not, it's good to see that new devices being made for treasure hunting are of long range type. In my opinion, those are the real tools for the treasure hunter. Not the outdated floor polishers that some manufacturers still insist to sell, if you know what I mean.

I am presently completing the final stages of the MX-8, my new LRL. I believe that in some months, when I get enough time out of my busy schedule, I will be able to pack it and field tests will begin. I will probably show it here and you will know what it can do.

[Morgan]

There is a rock indicating the spot.
Two options left.
Either the operator had previously detected the signal and used the rock as reference for the video or all of this was a set up to convince the audience.
Assuming the video is showing an authentic detection, it's a nice demonstration. In this case, it's clear that the device when over calibrated, emit random beeps to other directions. And when gain is reduced, it gets quiet also to the target. So, a midway calibration in between the two extremes appears to work at some point, tough the random beeping only diminish but do not cease.
It's also noticeable that the saline and humid environment is jamming the IR sensor. I would suggest the designer of this device to build a more stable comparator circuit for the Murata sensor.
Nice video but it's hard to tell if it's an authentic detection or not. The target could have been planted and the random beeps only to justify the target. Particularly when the sensor is put real close to the humid and saline ground that we all know, enhances ionization.
Also, who posted and made the video is a 'middle east representative' for Crypton. So, as a sales representative, he needs to sell it.
Sorry to be playing the favorite game of the 'skepthics' here but this does not mean that in this case it should not be valid.
I like the video anyway. Apart from being authentic or not, it's good to see that new devices being made for treasure hunting are of long range type. In my opinion, those are the real tools for the treasure hunter. Not the outdated floor polishers that some manufacturers still insist to sell, if you know what I mean.

I am presently completing the final stages of the MX-8, my new LRL. I believe that in some months, when I get enough time out of my busy schedule, I will be able to pack it and field tests will begin. I will probably show it here and you will know what it can do.

good luck with your MX-8


I also have other LRL project,but still in prototype, its type of IONIC .



regards

[nelson]

Hi Hung

Yes i agree 100% with your comments, and that was the reason for me to post this video. The same person has posted other two videos that shows more test for crypton, but this time not on the beach. However, Tim Williams has posted about 3 or 4 videos showing crypton performance.
My Crypton OBMD2 demo version, looks to me that needs that extra functions of the original one, to let me get targets. However yesterday i made some test with an iron core in front of it and crypton beeps. Same thing happend when crypton passes close to a steel or iron plate. The problem now is to know if this is normal or crypton demo is out of gold or silver detection range.
For all i will ask this to Andreas.
Regards and good luck with your MX-8 project

Nelson

There is a rock indicating the spot.
Two options left.
Either the operator had previously detected the signal and used the rock as reference for the video or all of this was a set up to convince the audience.
Assuming the video is showing an authentic detection, it's a nice demonstration. In this case, it's clear that the device when over calibrated, emit random beeps to other directions. And when gain is reduced, it gets quiet also to the target. So, a midway calibration in between the two extremes appears to work at some point, tough the random beeping only diminish but do not cease.
It's also noticeable that the saline and humid environment is jamming the IR sensor. I would suggest the designer of this device to build a more stable comparator circuit for the Murata sensor.
Nice video but it's hard to tell if it's an authentic detection or not. The target could have been planted and the random beeps only to justify the target. Particularly when the sensor is put real close to the humid and saline ground that we all know, enhances ionization.
Also, who posted and made the video is a 'middle east representative' for Crypton. So, as a sales representative, he needs to sell it.
Sorry to be playing the favorite game of the 'skepthics' here but this does not mean that in this case it should not be valid.
I like the video anyway. Apart from being authentic or not, it's good to see that new devices being made for treasure hunting are of long range type. In my opinion, those are the real tools for the treasure hunter. Not the outdated floor polishers that some manufacturers still insist to sell, if you know what I mean.

I am presently completing the final stages of the MX-8, my new LRL. I believe that in some months, when I get enough time out of my busy schedule, I will be able to pack it and field tests will begin. I will probably show it here and you will know what it can do.

[hung]

Thanks Morgan and Nelson.