Mineoro website

[Monolith]

http://www.mineoro.com.br/detectores-para-ouro.php

Just happened on this site while looking for something else.

Monolith

[Aziz]

Another LRL fraud and LRL scammer.

Don't buy anything from this company or it's non-working products.

They are wallet miners.
:money

They are targetting and detecting your wallet.
:D
Aziz

[Morgan]

Another LRL fraud and LRL scammer.

Don't buy anything from this company or it's non-working products.

They are wallet miners.
:money

They are targetting and detecting your wallet.
:D
Aziz

I already was in the MINEORO factory in Garopaba,a nice place to make holydays...

They need to make some LRL that realy works !

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[WM6]

We all love mineoro!

[Morgan]

We all love mineoro!

This is not the best MINEORO propaganda...

:D

[Morgan]

We all love mineoro!

About Mineoro i can say,the circuits they use in LRL devices in theory can locate the gold long distance,but when the client buy one MINEORO not find nothing out from the factory.

Nobody understand why. Becouse they are scam?
Lets see,if Esteban modify the old MINEORO DCH85,he can make it locate the gold as LRL,this hapens becouse mineoro factory not interested to sell 100% functional units, guess why...

[MIJ]

About Mineoro i can say,the circuits they use in LRL devices in theory can locate the gold long distance,but when the client buy one MINEORO not find nothing out from the factory.

Nobody understand why. Becouse they are scam?
Lets see,if Esteban modify the old MINEORO DCH85,he can make it locate the gold as LRL,this hapens becouse mineoro factory not interested to sell 100% functional units, guess why...

Just been looking at some of the Mineoro You Tube videos, and I must confess that they look very convincing to me, especially this one on the sandy beach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0A91vuNNwQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0A91vuNNwQ&feature=related)

This is fresh gold at a depth of about 1.5 meters.

Don’t try and tell me they buried it there before hand.

There are quite a few videos of the Mineoro in operation that look very convincing if you look for them.

[J_Player]

Just been looking at some of the Mineoro You Tube videos, and I must confess that they look very convincing to me, especially this one on the sandy beach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0A91vuNNwQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0A91vuNNwQ&feature=related)

This is fresh gold at a depth of about 1.5 meters.

Don’t try and tell me they buried it there before hand.

There are quite a few videos of the Mineoro in operation that look very convincing if you look for them.Hi MIJ,
There is an even more convincing Mineoro video where Alonso and his helpers travel to France to demonstrate the FG90 in a live treasure hunt.
But after Alonso leaves, nobody seems to get the results from the same locator they showed on the video.
It seems very strange that after Alonso leaves the FG90 begins to show the poor performance exactly as Morgan has been telling us.
Some forum members believe there are some very strange circumstances associated with the Mineoro videos.
We see posts where people speculate the Mineoro people used tricks such as hidden transmitters, and droping jewelry items into the hole where they stop to dig.

Even one of the French people who were present at the demonstration where Alonso made the video sent an email:
"Few month ago, M.Alonso and Mrs.Patricia came in France to see me and present new FG90.
We had very interesting results and found several small gold targets!

After that, I tried to use FG90 by my self, but for the moment, I'm not able to find anything good.
I must keep on training... "

Before you send your money to Mineoro, be sure to see the Mineoro treasure hunt video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmV7dfQKPOw
And be sure to read here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17822


Best wishes,
J_P

[MIJ]

Hi MIJ,
There is an even more convincing Mineoro video where Alonso and his helpers travel to France to demonstrate the FG90 in a live treasure hunt.
But after Alonso leaves, nobody seems to get the results from the same locator they showed on the video.
It seems very strange that after Alonso leaves the FG90 begins to show the poor performance exactly as Morgan has been telling us.
Some forum members believe there are some very strange circumstances associated with the Mineoro videos.
We see posts where people speculate the Mineoro people used tricks such as hidden transmitters, and droping jewelry items into the hole where they stop to dig.

Even one of the French people who were present at the demonstration where Alonso made the video sent an email:
"Few month ago, M.Alonso and Mrs.Patricia came in France to see me and present new FG90.
We had very interesting results and found several small gold targets!

After that, I tried to use FG90 by my self, but for the moment, I'm not able to find anything good.
I must keep on training... "

Before you send your money to Mineoro, be sure to see the Mineoro treasure hunt video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmV7dfQKPOw
And be sure to read here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17822


Best wishes,
J_P

Thanks J P

Yes I have seen the other videos thanks, and I see all the posts from disappointed Mineoro owners.

It appears that no one has found any precious metals unless Mr Alonso is actually there I gather, “Seems very strange indeed�

Have you seen any other videos of owners actually digging up a good find with a Mineoro?

And what is the gismo with the antenna he uses for detecting depth of target, is it a mini transmitter or receiver?

Sorry you can see “I’m no electronics expert�

Regards

[Geo]

Also i can't understand who is the rule of the small telescopic antenna. Sure it help him to pinpoint the target but How???.
Yet i believe that Mineoro can locate big treasure from some meters far but not a small ring from 10 or 20m. It is a very simple passive receiver...

Regards

[Morgan]

Thanks J P

Yes I have seen the other videos thanks, and I see all the posts from disappointed Mineoro owners.

It appears that no one has found any precious metals unless Mr Alonso is actually there I gather, “Seems very strange indeed�

Have you seen any other videos of owners actually digging up a good find with a Mineoro?

And what is the gismo with the antenna he uses for detecting depth of target, is it a mini transmitter or receiver?

Sorry you can see “I’m no electronics expert�

Regards

No problem,i will take with me my mineoro DC2008 to UK and you can try there,realy desapointing device...

[Fred]

The fact that the mineoro includes a small uhf receiver (or was it a tx?) is higly suspicious.Is the antenna tuned to uhf ?
Are the rings that are "found", resonnant to uhf ? :D

[Morgan]

The fact that the mineoro includes a small uhf receiver (or was it a tx?) is higly suspicious.Is the antenna tuned to uhf ?
Are the rings that are "found", resonnant to uhf ? :D

MINEORO DC2008 is the one who can find something but anyway it need special atmosferic conditions,i think it was Hung who told his friend found some gold rings with mineoro,is a lucky one ;-)

[Morgan]

MINEORO DC2008 is the one who can find something but anyway it need special atmosferic conditions,i think it was Hung who told his friend found some gold rings with mineoro,is a lucky one ;-)

anyway he need to find a lot of gold rings to pay the mineoro cost, 8000 $$$$ dollar :oh:
i stay with my DC2008,it was two years of work saving money to buy this useless device.
I can stay with this mineoro to make tests and until now locating small gold is impossible with mineoro,maybe in Brazil is possible,but it seems our friend Gaucho no lucky with his FG90,he is from Brazil...

[Morgan]

anyway he need to find a lot of gold rings to pay the mineoro cost, 8000 $$$$ dollar :oh:
i stay with my DC2008,it was two years of work saving money to buy this useless device.
I can stay with this mineoro to make tests and until now locating small gold is impossible with mineoro,maybe in Brazil is possible,but it seems our friend Gaucho no lucky with his FG90,he is from Brazil...

I see in Youtube they open big hole where the FG90 make some beeps,but after all,its a empty hole...
I realy dont understand why MINEORO cant find small targets,alonso is the boss now and he knows how to build one good LRL.
BIG MISTERY

[Geo]

The fact that the mineoro includes a small uhf receiver (or was it a tx?) is higly suspicious.Is the antenna tuned to uhf ?
Are the rings that are "found", resonnant to uhf ? :D

No!!!
The UHF Tx that uses the MC145026 encoder is used to transfer the beeps at wireless headphones

[Geo]

anyway he need to find a lot of gold rings to pay the mineoro cost, 8000 $$$$ dollar :oh:
i stay with my DC2008,it was two years of work saving money to buy this useless device.
I can stay with this mineoro to make tests and until now locating small gold is impossible with mineoro,maybe in Brazil is possible,but it seems our friend Gaucho no lucky with his FG90,he is from Brazil...

A very simple passive receiver(Mineoro) can not locate small targets from big distance.
In general words it is better to make a pistol with the passive receiver of Alonso.

[J_Player]

Thanks J P

Yes I have seen the other videos thanks, and I see all the posts from disappointed Mineoro owners.

It appears that no one has found any precious metals unless Mr Alonso is actually there I gather, “Seems very strange indeed”

Have you seen any other videos of owners actually digging up a good find with a Mineoro?

And what is the gismo with the antenna he uses for detecting depth of target, is it a mini transmitter or receiver?

Sorry you can see “I’m no electronics expert”

RegardsHi MIJ,
According to the factory literature and propaganda, the gizmo detecting the depth of the target is the "center & deep" accessory.
This is used to determine the depth of the buried object.
It has no active parts in it. It has only some parts that roughly resemble an antenna stuck into a plastic sprinkler pipe:

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12854&stc=1&d=1280913508 http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12855&stc=1&d=1280913508

Here is what the inventor at the factory for the center & deep gizmo said about it in an email:
When moving the Center & Deep, it generates a ionic/electrostatic field, first by the movement, then by the substance generator of ions inside the Center & Deep chamber.
The movement generates a “crash” , as explained before.
This phenomenom just occurs when you have already found a target and there is an existent field around the buried object.
For this phenomenom to occurs it is not necessary to supply any tension to the Center and Deep. It uses part of the energy which is in the located field.
Read the full email here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=40941#post40941

The center & deep gizmo is thought to act as an antenna which helps to find a point on the ground that will tell how deep the object is buried.
By locating a beeping zone on the ground, they say the offset distance from the center of the target will tell the depth.
See here for details: http://www.mineoro.com/guides/guideFg80.php#item8

The links I gave are not considered factual science information, but they are what the people who make Mineoro equipment say.
Some people think the personal versions of the locators and the "center & deep" accessory used by factory people during demonstrations is modified to be different than the one you can buy.
I have heard opinions that they only sell the de-tuned versions of their locators.
I also heard opinions that their demonstration equipment has extra radio transmitters and receiver circuits added in places where they don't exist in the consumer models.


Best wishes,
J_P

[MIJ]

I wonder if Morgan or any one else hear has built a “Centre & deep" accessory.

As I doesn’t look too complicated to build and would be a useful tool to know how deep a target is, especially in some of the areas that I go searching in where we have chalk and flint down lands, the last thing you would want to do is try digging three ft holes every where?

Also a useful tool to experiment with, as supposedly it generates an ionic/electrostatic field.

[J_Player]

I wonder if Morgan or any one else hear has built a “Centre & deep" accessory.

As I doesn’t look too complicated to build and would be a useful tool to know how deep a target is, especially in some of the areas that I go searching in where we have chalk and flint down lands, the last thing you would want to do is try digging three ft holes every where?

Also a useful tool to experiment with, as supposedly it generates an ionic/electrostatic field.Hi MIJ,
Nobody here agrees this gizmo generates an ionic/electrostatic field.
This is only propaganda issued from the factory which perhaps hung believes.
From what I can see this antenna does not do anything more than an ice pick does when you move it around the ground.
I can imagine that it would act as a passive antenna element to interfere with certain RF transmissions.
It also capable of distorting the atmospheric electric field when held by someone standing on the ground.
Since Mineoro equipment is known to contain broadband receivers, we could expect that this gizmo, (or an ice pick or a coat hanger wire) could influence the Mineoro receiver operation.
If it really does tell the depth of a buried object, then I would think it has some useful function.
But I haven't seen anything to convince me.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

I wonder if Morgan or any one else hear has built a “Centre & deep" accessory.

As I doesn’t look too complicated to build and would be a useful tool to know how deep a target is, especially in some of the areas that I go searching in where we have chalk and flint down lands, the last thing you would want to do is try digging three ft holes every where?

Also a useful tool to experiment with, as supposedly it generates an ionic/electrostatic field.

I try the mineoro center &deep in my PDK´s,and no results...

[MIJ]

I think this is scandalous that Mineoro have got away with these fraudulent products, if this is true that no one has had any success using one these detectors?

Surly they would at least send a company representative out to help sort out any problems that there customers where having with using the units, especially If they where not performing the way they are advertised to.

Do you know of any one contacting a solicitor to send a letter of complaint or contacting the office of trading standards?

Has anyone requested a refund?

[J_Player]

I think this is scandalous that Mineoro have got away with these fraudulent products, if this is true that no one has had any success using one these detectors?

Surly they would at least send a company representative out to help sort out any problems that there customers where having with using the units, especially If they where not performing the way they are advertised to.

Do you know of any one contacting a solicitor to send a letter of complaint or contacting the office of trading standards?

Has anyone requested a refund? Hi MIJ,
Some people say they had success with Mineoro products.
I believe takhslambos in Greece has reported some success, and hung reports great success from Brazil with his Mineoro products.
There are no doubt a few other people who say they get some good results, but most people report poor detection or no detection.

What happens to people who complain is sad.
They generally do not get any help from the factory in Brazil.
Of course, there are exceptions.
hung can easily get help when he wants it.
He has made many forum posts talking about his long telephone conversations and visits with the owner of the Mineoro factory.
He explained that he lives in Brazil, within driving range to the factory, and knows the people who work there.
But aside from hung's reports, the customer service does not seem very good.

There are some very sad stories that you can read here about dealings with Mineoro.
Neronc in Belgium sent his money and received a non-working FG-80 from Mineoro.
After a long ordeal he did not get a working locator or get his money back.
The Mineoro factory never even answered his emails.
neronc's final comments after 7 months dealing with Mineoro problems are found here:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315

The events which led up to his plight, are even sadder.
You can read about it here where hung was telling how wonderful his new FG-80 is:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11899

If you are serious about buying a long range locator you need to read every post in this thread.
As you read down pay attention to michael and neronc's posts.
You will see that michael decides to order an FG-80 after listening to hung's posts, even when everyone else was warning him not to...
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46672#post46672

You will see how michael became convinced to buy a non-working LRL against everyone's warnings.
And you will see what kinds of forum posts convinced him he should order this LRL.
This is why he could not understand when neronc was trying to sell his FG-80 later in that thread.
By the time you get to the end You will see that Kev asks hung how much the Mineoro factory is paying him...
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47308#post47308


The story of michael and neronc's FG-80s continues later when Carl-NC makes his own independent test of an FG-80 here:
www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12226 (http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12226)

Read every post in this thread too. Be sure to read every word by Carl-NC, michael, and neronc.
And look at what hung says when he sees michael and neronc slowly become disillusioned as they discover Carl-NC was right.
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50278#post50278

I don't know neronc, but it is heartbreaking to read what happened to him.
I know michael is a good man and very trusting.
He never deserved to get led into buying that non-working piece of crap.

Later, in 2009 Michael described the performance of his old FG-80 in retrospect:
"Dear J_P about mineoros; I personally had one FG80 and used it for about one year in many of hot areas from treasure standpoint ;no result.
I even had used it near my latest treasure locations where we were strongly suspect of treasure existence.
The locations we at last found them by MDL and also tested PD there successfully.
FG80 never beeped there, remained silent. I never claimed it really works".
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96118#post96118


My advice to anyone who wants to buy a long range locator is to never spend any money at all until after you actually test it in your own hands in the locations where you want to go treasure hunting.
Make sure it is working for you, and you are satisfied in the performance before you spend any money.
Do not imagine it will work ok unless you already watched it work when you used it in a real treasure hunting scenario to recover treasure.
If you are convinced that it is helping you to find treasure, then buy it.

But NEVER trust a factory demonstration no matter how convincing it may seem.
See what happened to Connie who trusted a demonstration put on at the Mineoro factory:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96087#post96087

Morgan was at the factory at the same time Connie was. See what Morgan said about this demonstration:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128080#post128080


This is why I say test it out where you go hunting first, without any factory people around.
See if you feel like it is helping you to find treasure before you buy it.
If the seller won't let you try it first, then pass it up.
Make sure you see it find a few buried treasures that you recover all on your own.
Making detections is not good enough proof... dig up the treasure and hold it in your hand to convince yourself you found something.
You should be able to test out an LRL same as you can test out a conventional metal detector before buying.
Even if you need to leave a deposit or pay a rental fee to try it, this is better than spending over 5000 euros and getting stuck with a non-working piece of crap.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Maybe the prototype LRL that Mineoro make the tests it works, Maybe Mineoro don't like to give out LRL who works.....

[humhum]

I think that so :

[hung]

Alonso and Patricia just left to Greece, precisely to Macedonia.

I don't know if demonstrations are scheduled but if they are, it will be performed with the FG90 and hopefully the mistery (if any) of greek soil conditions or whatever will be solved.
Also a good opportunity for the hard skeptic greek people here to watch how gold is found in their homeland.:lol:

Before people fire me PMs, I shall say that I don't know where they are staying at, how they can be contacted and how they will announce their presence. Maybe you should contact your Mineoro dealer there if any. But I believe by word of mouth, people involved in the MD business will know.

[Geo]

Why again in secret;;;
I had been informed that Alonso is to be visited Greece and I have stated my interest for a meeting with him. They promised to meet him but I see that has not happened.
In Greece we say that laughs best he who laughs last:lol::lol:

Regards:)

[Qiaozhi]

Why again in secret;;;
I had been informed that Alonso is to be visited Greece and I have stated my interest for a meeting with him. They promised to meet him but I see that has not happened.
In Greece we say that laughs best he who laughs last:lol::lol:

Regards:)
The English version is: "He who laughs last laughs longest.".
Same meaning, I think. :lol:

[Geo]

Yes, Same meaning :lol:
Thanks, showed it to my son:lol:

[Dave J.]

Hung showed up on Tnet earlier today doing his usual, and I decided it was time to debunker the bigmouth. Not that it hasn't been done before!

As far as I know, it's okay to post the link. If not, moderator may delete it, but for anyone familiar with Tnet, y'all know where to find Hung there.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/long-range-locators/149978-there-long-range-locator-capable-40.html

--Dave J. , posting as "Woof!" and signing off as "Toto" on Tnet's LRL forum which affords so much opportunity to pull the curtain on fraudsters.

And it's not like the Wizard of Oz where the fraudster, when caught, says, "well, I guess ya got me, it seemed like a good idea at the time." Nope, some LRL fraudsters keep at it no matter how may times and no matter how far down they've been pantsed. A few like Thomas are smart enough to stay out of LRL forums, and then there's Chuckie who surprised everyone by finally smartening up to the same thing.

[Geo]

I can't say for sure if all these people are fraudsters.
But i am sure that Alonso knows very good the secret of LRLs. The same for Mineoro.
Also i am sure that they will not give their secret to the people. So the lrls that they sell don't work. Alonso never sold the LRL who used to make any demostration. This... says something:lol:

:):)

[WM6]

But i am sure that Alonso knows very good the secret of LRLs. The same for Mineoro.

:):)

Geo, I am sure too. The only secret is, that they scam naive people.

[Geo]

Yes.....
but i give my money to buy the original FG80 that Alonso use at his demonstrations
:)

[WM6]

Yes.....
but i give my money to buy the original FG80 that Alonso use at his demonstrations
:)

You will only lose your money for nothing. All FG80 are the same effective, even without batteries. No one can pass real test.

Those demonstrations are only magic tricks and working only on terrains previous prepared and controlled by mineoro staff.

[Geo]

I don't believe it. All the "story" is a very fine tuning and they don't do it at all lrls. They don't like to give their secret out .....
:)

[folharin]

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this is mineoro lrl.

[WM6]

this is mineoro lrl.

Seems micro-controlled. How they pinpoint?

[robalocarapanda]

I have a fg90 a FG80 and go to search the old roads where horse carts traveled people on horseback could be merchants, travelers, thieves also look at the roads, on its banks, in places where the water runs down some hill or around an old building to me that on occasion we spent 3 or 5 people each with a equipment mineoro some pass before me in the same place at the end of the line I find something, then my friends come back and point of their equipment properly and then also fail to find the brand that I found, is a gold coin or anything said or gold.

that they could not find what I found at the end of the line, 1. - why not pointed in the right direction. 2.-why not move the equipment at the correct speed. 3. - Because they were not dressed to adcuada to prospect. 4. - That passes through the place grabbed the tree branch just before passing through the ion field generated by this piece of gold. 4. - By bringing the cell phone on. 5. - Why not calibrated their equipment at the correct distance if you look at close range, calibrate the equipment at close range, if you calibrate calibralo long distance long distance, 6. - If you enter a field trees or cloud shadows recalibrate the equipment. 7. - When you leave you are in the shade and sun recalibrate your equipment

even so on many occasions and searched for days and not found anything, but the 10 day I find something in the same area where search above.

and he bought two equipments to alonzo with which made ​​your demonstration, without any problem by Alonzo

this is my experience about mineoros Alonzo and equipment

may be you do not have lucky:D

[hung]

I have a fg90 a FG80 and go to search the old roads where horse carts traveled people on horseback could be merchants, travelers, thieves also look at the roads, on its banks, in places where the water runs down some hill or around an old building to me that on occasion we spent 3 or 5 people each with a equipment mineoro some pass before me in the same place at the end of the line I find something, then my friends come back and point of their equipment properly and then also fail to find the brand that I found, is a gold coin or anything said or gold.

that they could not find what I found at the end of the line, 1. - why not pointed in the right direction. 2.-why not move the equipment at the correct speed. 3. - Because they were not dressed properly to prospect. 4. - That passes through the place grabbed the tree branch just before passing through the ion field generated by this piece of gold. 4. - By bringing the cell phone on. 5. - Why not calibrated their equipment at the correct distance if you look at close range, calibrate the equipment at close range, if you look at long distance calibrate to long distance , 6. - If you enter a field trees or cloud shadows recalibrate the equipment. 7. - When you leave you are in the shade to sun, recalibrate your equipment

even so on many occasions and searched for days and not found anything, but the 10 day I find something in the same area where search above.

and he bought two equipments to alonzo with which made ​​your demonstration, without any problem by Alonzo

this is my experience about mineoros Alonzo and equipment

may be you do not have lucky:D

If you own the FG90, you do not need the FG80 at all. You probably know that the FG90 features a switch in the front panel that changes the internal ferrite settings for low or high sensitivity. Thus you have both FG80 and 90 in one box.

Adding to what you told, some people either over calibrate the device and due to the sensitivity of the circuit, it ends up emiting false beeps or set it too low, missing small targets. But this is a matter of getting used to it.
Besides the FG90 and other LRLs including the system I've built, I also own a PDC210 which is still a superb device, stable and easy to use. I did some mods in its receiver tough.

I suggest you start using a Rangertell Examiner or similar device for prior indication of buried gold spots at extremely long range. It has always worked for me.
Good luck and send regards to Alonso for me.

[Morgan]

If you own the FG90, you do not need the FG80 at all. You probably know that the FG90 features a switch in the front panel that changes the internal ferrite settings for low or high sensitivity. Thus you have both FG80 and 90 in one box.

Adding to what you told, some people either over calibrate the device and due to the sensitivity of the circuit, it ends up emiting false beeps or set it too low, missing small targets. But this is a matter of getting used to it.
Besides the FG90 and other LRLs including the system I've built, I also own a PDC210 which is still a superb device, stable and easy to use. I did some mods in its receiver tough.

I suggest you start using a Rangertell Examiner or similar device for prior indication of buried gold spots at extremely long range. It has always worked for me.
Good luck and send regards to Alonso for me.

hello Hung


well,MINEORO still desapointing me every day I turn it ON to make the field test near the + 20 years old, buried gold medalion.
Maybe the IONIC FIELD is more strong in Brazil ? ...
or maybe frequencies that catch the GOLD in Brazil territory are diferent from here .
For this moment i note the distance i can locate the targets here it REDUCE dramaticaly,I dont know why,but PDK´s and the Alonso´s PD cant pick the targets so far away as in the last winter months,this hapens for the first time during the last two years.
The cientist Damasio was right about the PHENOMENON,sometimes is more strong other times more weak.


regards
até breve

[Qiaozhi]

well,MINEORO still desapointing me every day I turn it ON to make the field test near the + 20 years old, buried gold medalion.
Maybe the IONIC FIELD is more strong in Brazil ? ...
or maybe frequencies that catch the GOLD in Brazil territory are diferent from here
Or maybe the "device" just doesn't work as advertised. ;)

[Morgan]

Or maybe the "device" just doesn't work as advertised. ;)

Maybe,but i still think Mr.Damasio was a good LRL cientist. R.I.P.
Of course i not agree with the prices for MINEORO LRL´s they are extremly expensive for this kind of device.

[robalocarapanda]

to day i go to the field and have a response with the mineoros and tesla maybe the fenomeno is back

[Geo]

to day i go to the field and have a response with the mineoros and tesla maybe the fenomeno is back

Can you give a photo pf Tesla lrl??:)

[robalocarapanda]

escuse i have many work in this days and can not replay fast.
best regards

[Geo]

Thank you.
As i remember Alonso had a project like yours. Did you buy it from Alonso??
Regards :)

[Qiaozhi]

escuse i have many work in this days and can not replay fast.
best regards
Please reduce the size of your images before posting. I have decreased the height in your last post to 800 pixels for both photos.

[humhum]

escuse i have many work in this days and can not replay fast.
best regards


Hi Robalocarapanda, also I have LRL with Tesla coil and works very stability.





Regards.

[Morgan]

escuse i have many work in this days and can not replay fast.
best regards

loooks like a swivell turret,very nice.

[robalocarapanda]

yes i buy from alonzo the tesla in case is original he say the made this tesla is a arabic man or spañish man and he buy the circuit ,then buy it from those vendors and the second tesla which is on the floor is a copy
a question for your tesla humhum always work or only works when there's phenomenon, your tesla is nice,but tell me how it really works

[robalocarapanda]

i geo a question, in many parts of this forum say that Alonzo had a project, or shipping a circuit ,or alonzo command a scheme, alonzo is a member of the forum? or how is lift up comments or your are alonzo friends,
I have sometimes spoken with alonso and told me to not know anything about the forum, I ask this because you guys can give valuable insights to resolve the problem of detection but does not take any idea of ​​the forum, it seems a waste

many greetings to all

[robalocarapanda]

i geo a question, in many parts of this forum say that Alonzo had a project, or shipping a circuit ,or alonzo command a scheme, alonzo is a member of the forum? or how is lift up comments or your are alonzo friends,
I have sometimes spoken with alonso and told me to not know anything about the forum, I ask this because you guys can give valuable insights to resolve the problem of detection but does not take any idea of ​​the forum, it seems a waste

many greetings to all and have many detections of valuables coins

[humhum]

yes i buy from alonzo the tesla in case is original he say the made this tesla is a arabic man or spañish man and he buy the circuit ,then buy it from those vendors and the second tesla which is on the floor is a copy
a question for your tesla humhum always work or only works when there's phenomenon, your tesla is nice,but tell me how it really works

Hi Robalocarapanda,
Always work, but when he sees the treasure or phenomenon, it stopped beep signal.;)

[robalocarapanda]

no only some times bt when this is ok is very accurate and powerful

[Morgan]

i geo a question, in many parts of this forum say that Alonzo had a project, or shipping a circuit ,or alonzo command a scheme, alonzo is a member of the forum? or how is lift up comments or your are alonzo friends,
I have sometimes spoken with alonso and told me to not know anything about the forum, I ask this because you guys can give valuable insights to resolve the problem of detection but does not take any idea of ​​the forum, it seems a waste

many greetings to all


There is one schematic from one of Alonsos LRL,the PD, but this schematic is mixed with USA Heatkit patent.In this LRL Alonso using one circuit copy of american Heatkit metal locator.

Yes we have one Alonsos PD and the complete schematic,the PDK, PDK-1,PDK-2,PDK-3 are based on this Alonsos PD schematic.

[Geo]

i geo a question, in many parts of this forum say that Alonzo had a project, or shipping a circuit ,or alonzo command a scheme, alonzo is a member of the forum? or how is lift up comments or your are alonzo friends,
I have sometimes spoken with alonso and told me to not know anything about the forum, I ask this because you guys can give valuable insights to resolve the problem of detection but does not take any idea of ​​the forum, it seems a waste

many greetings to all

Hi.
I don't know Mr Alonso... but i have see some projects by him:)
Of course Alonso don't know us.
Regards

[robalocarapanda]

was just a comment, what happens is I t seems that draws on the experience of the forum, gives no guarantees on mineoros not about guns but neither gives that makes alternatives,

best regards

[Geo]

escuse i have many work in this days and can not replay fast.
best regards

What is the other box (white) inside the black case???? How you connect it with the Tesla??

Regards

[Geo]

What is the other box (white) inside the black case???? How you connect it with the Tesla??

Regards

I saw some photos from Alonso's Tesla and this box(white) maybe is the battery box

Regards

[robalocarapanda]

scuse i am in the road and fly i am work in some ports, the small box have the bateri and a circuite, but no have wire to the under box let me go to mi house in 5 days and take a picture and send you
best regards

[Geo]

scuse i am in the road and fly i am work in some ports, the small box have the bateri and a circuite, but no have wire to the under box let me go to mi house in 5 days and take a picture and send you
best regards

Ok. Thank you.
But i am curious how give the supply without wires. Anyway i wait your photos.

Regards:)

[Morgan]

scuse i am in the road and fly i am work in some ports, the small box have the bateri and a circuite, but no have wire to the under box let me go to mi house in 5 days and take a picture and send you
best regards

Sorry Hugo but i need post this MINEORO trick, is possible that they use it in the factory to make the clients the ilusion that there is gold buried there.
Dont worry,i not post the story you told me,just show to friends the buried hand made oscillator that make the MINEOROS beep.

Regards

18015

[Morgan]

scuse i am in the road and fly i am work in some ports, the small box have the bateri and a circuite, but no have wire to the under box let me go to mi house in 5 days and take a picture and send you
best regards

Its really a shame that Mineoro use this kind of a trick to deceive people.
We know that since long time ago,now you give us the prove.
As i can see the oscillator is glued inside the paper with batteries,can you show us what is inside,and at what distance can make the MINEOROS to beep ?

Regards

[Morgan]

Its really a shame that Mineoro use this kind of a trick to deceive people.
We know that since long time ago,now you give us the prove.
As i can see the oscillator is glued inside the paper with batteries,can you show us what is inside,and at what distance can make the MINEOROS to beep ?

Regards

What a shame,is desgusting :(
And by the degradation it looks the oscillator was buried long time ago,deceiving you and your friends,what a shame...

[robalocarapanda]

let me rice the video to you tube is more fast to up the video

[mosha]

let me rice the video to you tube is more fast to up the video

where I saw this oscillator ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9INTdT13u0c

regards,

[Geo]

Where they found the oscillator???
Is it sure that Mineoo use this oscillator to deceiving the clients????
If so then it is terrible:angry:

[Geo]

Please give us more info.
So cheaply trick from Mineoro?????:angry:
If so, i am very sorry for Alonso:(

[mosha]

Please give us more info.
So cheaply trick from Mineoro?????:angry:
If so, i am very sorry for Alonso:(

see this also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI71Tdc3VdU

regards,

[Geo]

see this also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI71Tdc3VdU

regards,

Thanks for video.
But who put the oscillator at this point???
A oscillator gives a continuesly beep to Mineoro, but at video from Mineoro we see that must move the device so to have beeps. I don't know what to say:???:

Regards

[Morgan]

Thanks for video.
But who put the oscillator at this point???
A oscillator gives a continuesly beep to Mineoro, but at video from Mineoro we see that must move the device so to have beeps. I don't know what to say:???:

Regards

sure this is the same trick they use in the factory to deceive the people.
i believe the MINEORO equipment works(sometimes as LRL) but they use this trick to catch more clients,is marketing and a fraud.

have a look in youtube this two videos :




fraude de mineoro en mexico chacho y felipe 1


fraude mineoro 2

[Morgan]

Thanks for video.
But who put the oscillator at this point???
A oscillator gives a continuesly beep to Mineoro, but at video from Mineoro we see that must move the device so to have beeps. I don't know what to say:???:

Regards

I wondering wht was the sofisticated trick they use in France,in the forest...

[Morgan]

Please give us more info.
So cheaply trick from Mineoro?????:angry:
If so, i am very sorry for Alonso:(

Alonso is one LRL genius,but sometimes he can make bad things,you know,nobody is perfect...

[Morgan]

Thanks for video.
But who put the oscillator at this point???
A oscillator gives a continuesly beep to Mineoro, but at video from Mineoro we see that must move the device so to have beeps. I don't know what to say:???:

Regards

this depends on the distance you use the MINEORO and the condition of the batteries in this fraudulent oscillator.

I not say the name of the people envolved,what was done is realy big FRAUD.

[michael]

I don’t like mineoro producers, but it’s obvious that this movie is not real and has been made for defaming the firm. Maybe a kind of revenging. It appears that something is wrong. In my opinion it seriously smells a rat, is under suspicion. In all mineoro movies its’ beeping pattern is very different than this at first a signal appears and gradually with closing to the point beeping intervals become shorter and at end continuous. In this one you have a constant beep intervals, even far or very close to that so-called oscillator.

[robalocarapanda]

the video is original, only discovered the oscillator, without removing the video in real time, when we realized it was a trick, we again put the oscillator into place and take the video I have videos of most equipments were deceived with this device, but in the end we find with a PI and locate the source, then, we communicate by cell phone with alonzo and we asked him why he had taken our gold target, in that place we had a field test, there was a gold target, which we had as reference only, and felipe and Alonzo wanted the target to them and they stole the gold target, leaving the oscillator to fool with the hope that the batteries are depleted, and we thought we had passed the phenomenon and that over time we missed the gold target, that our idea was to keep that goal, to check the equipment,

none of us are electronic engineers, the alonzo himself admitted that he put the device, under the pretext of helping to ionize the gold target, but this is lie as the equipments were saturated with the oscillator frequency,

the gold target was stolen, and the oscillator deceived us all, made ​​us believe that he was still buried.

in short i rice more videos in the same place with diferents equipments.

best regards

[Morgan]

I don’t like mineoro producers, but it’s obvious that this movie is not real and has been made for defaming the firm. Maybe a kind of revenging. It appears that something is wrong. In my opinion it seriously smells a rat, is under suspicion. In all mineoro movies its’ beeping pattern is very different than this at first a signal appears and gradually with closing to the point beeping intervals become shorter and at end continuous. In this one you have a constant beep intervals, even far or very close to that so-called oscillator.

the video is real,i know the person who install the fraudulent oscillator,i know why it was hide near the rock,i will send you one message.

[Geo]

the video is real,i know the person who install the fraudulent oscillator,i know why it was hide near the rock,i will send you one message.

Please send me the same message.

Regards:)

[Morgan]

Please send me the same message.

Regards:)


Here, one forum member that made the test with the PDK-2 in is garden where he buried long time ago one gold ring to test metal detectors.
There is no tricks for PDK...



http://youtu.be/Yut0pZ6Gdcw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgp9aE6oByw

[Morgan]

Here, one forum member that made the test with the PDK-2 in is garden where he buried long time ago one gold ring to test metal detectors.
There is no tricks for PDK...



http://youtu.be/Yut0pZ6Gdcw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgp9aE6oByw

As i remember he told me the gold ring is buried 20 cm in the ground,the shell marks the spot.
Unfortunatly the PDK-2 is using the VHF transmitter waves,once the VHF transmittions finish and give place for the DIGITAL UHF, the PDK-loses power...Thats the problem.
But i´m building one VHF portatil,we will see.

[Morgan]

Please send me the same message.

Regards:)

Hello Geo

I think Robalocarapanda let me put the story here:

It was Alonso who made the trick,there was one real target in this place,maybe gold,and he knows about that,it was used for everybody test the LRL´s,but one person in the region saw Alonso and other man diging the target ,take some object ,refill the hole and install the oscillator,to deceive the others,to think the treasure still there. There was one agreement between all of them to not dig this target,the target is used often to check all the LRL´s equipment including the PDK-2 i sold .
so Alonso sometimes can play the BAD BOY.
Now we know Alonso have many tricks to make Mineoro beep when he want...

Regards

[michael]

Oh, OK, I got it, your previous posts were vague, :frown:at first it appears they wanted to demonstrate their device working to sell FG80 , but now is known their purpose of using oscillator was to thieve that found real target by Morgan PDK2.1

This clarification in fact confirms our both opinions:
1- Your opinion; Alonso is not a trustworthy guy, he even thieves. What a filthy.
2- my opinion; This mineoro device beeping is not the same what previously saw
in their demos. Oh, what a nasty behaviour to thieve others belonging. :angry:

[robalocarapanda]

Good excuse my translations into English, this and this discovery on our part, shows that Alonzo been deceiving us for a long time, then selling equipment charges for its calibration, then puts them other circuits that sometimes are not interconnected and for this service we acquired in a money order is always cause for problems.

but what annoyed us most is that we are stealing our mark pray that we check with the dch85 put the key in gold and color, change the position of silver, and gave no signal.
knew it was gold and it served us to test all our equipment, get on youtube other video with the title, fraud mineoro 3,4,5,6, and show them there as we were trying until we locate the oscillator using a lorenzlpx2.

in a few days the forum will upload the diagram of the oscillator which in my view only serves to send a signal of 82.2 HRZ say periodically and is served so that they take out gold our brand and our teams cheat

[Morgan]

Good excuse my translations into English, this and this discovery on our part, shows that Alonzo been deceiving us for a long time, then selling equipment charges for its calibration, then puts them other circuits that sometimes are not interconnected and for this service we acquired in a money order is always cause for problems.

but what annoyed us most is that we are stealing our mark pray that we check with the dch85 put the key in gold and color, change the position of silver, and gave no signal.
knew it was gold and it served us to test all our equipment, get on youtube other video with the title, fraud mineoro 3,4,5,6, and show them there as we were trying until we locate the oscillator using a lorenzlpx2.

in a few days the forum will upload the diagram of the oscillator which in my view only serves to send a signal of 82.2 HRZ say periodically and is served so that they take out gold our brand and our teams cheat

Hi Hugo

Is realy a shame that Master Alonso use such kind of tricks to deceive the people...

By the way,maybe i´m wrong but,i think one of your friends is using one Greek Crypton,is this device working fine in Mexico ?


Hola

El aparato Crypton de tu amigo,ya localizado algo ?
Hombre,ustedes estan muy bien equipados !!!

Saludos

[Morgan]

Hi Hugo

Is realy a shame that Master Alonso use such kind of tricks to deceive the people...

By the way,maybe i´m wrong but,i think one of your friends is using one Greek Crypton,is this device working fine in Mexico ?


Hola

El aparato Crypton de tu amigo,ya localizado algo ?
Hombre,ustedes estan muy bien equipados !!!

Saludos

Yes,i can see very clearly one CRYPTON in the video :

fraude mineoro 3

[robalocarapanda]

still have not found anything with krypton, to be exact that day we were testing for the first time in a place that knew that there was a little gem, we were testing all the LRL to PDK2, but we could not

but the signal oscilloscope captures 2.5m.

best regards

[Morgan]

still have not found anything with krypton, to be exact that day we were testing for the first time in a place that knew that there was a little gem, we were testing all the LRL to PDK2, but we could not

but the signal oscilloscope captures 2.5m.

best regards



I see in the video 5 ,you using the Kripton,but it seems not locating the hide oscillator like the other LRL´s...
I see the PDK-2 can locate but not big distance.
How much cost one Kripton ?

mineoro fraude 5

[J_Player]

Good excuse my translations into English, this and this discovery on our part, shows that Alonzo been deceiving us for a long time, then selling equipment charges for its calibration, then puts them other circuits that sometimes are not interconnected and for this service we acquired in a money order is always cause for problems.

but what annoyed us most is that we are stealing our mark pray that we check with the dch85 put the key in gold and color, change the position of silver, and gave no signal.
knew it was gold and it served us to test all our equipment, get on youtube other video with the title, fraud mineoro 3,4,5,6, and show them there as we were trying until we locate the oscillator using a lorenzlpx2.

in a few days the forum will upload the diagram of the oscillator which in my view only serves to send a signal of 82.2 HRZ say periodically and is served so that they take out gold our brand and our teams cheat

Origially posted by Morgan
It was Alonso who made the trick,there was one real target in this place,maybe gold,and he knows about that,it was used for everybody test the LRL´s,but one person in the region saw Alonso and other man diging the target ,take some object ,refill the hole and install the oscillator,to deceive the others,to think the treasure still there. There was one agreement between all of them to not dig this target,the target is used often to check all the LRL´s equipment including the PDK-2 i sold .
so Alonso sometimes can play the BAD BOY.
Now we know Alonso have many tricks to make Mineoro beep when he want...Detecting treasure Mineoro style.... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439

[Morgan]

Detecting treasure Mineoro style.... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439

yes,thats it.

I wondering what Alonso or Patricia was using in the french forest FG90 demonstrations.
However the same trick seems not work very well in Greece FG90 field test...

[Morgan]

yes,thats it.

I wondering what Alonso or Patricia was using in the french forest FG90 demonstrations.
However the same trick seems not work very well in Greece FG90 field test...

well,well,it was told to me that a second hide oscillator(transmitter)was found by the Hugo TH team in another place where Mr.Alonso take people for MINEORO field demonstrations.
It was told by Alonso to his clients that in this place is a buried treasure,so people decide to investigate and found another transmitter that make the Mineoros to beep .
Another trick for marketing...

[Morgan]

well,well,it was told to me that a second hide oscillator(transmitter)was found by the Hugo TH team in another place where Mr.Alonso take people for MINEORO field demonstrations.
It was told by Alonso to his clients that in this place is a buried treasure,so people decide to investigate and found another transmitter that make the Mineoros to beep .
Another trick for marketing...

Hello Hung !

What you want to say about that Mineoro tricks ?!!

Same happens in Garopaba,isnt it ?


:angry:

[robalocarapanda]

hello, sorry for the delay here I sent the diagram of the first oscillator was found. Alonzo told us that we did not use PI teams that erased the ionization or the signal and that equipment and did not find but, the second reason was because he did not want oscillators we found buried around the marks previously buried.

best regards

[J_Player]

yes,thats it.

I wondering what Alonso or Patricia was using in the french forest FG90 demonstrations.
However the same trick seems not work very well in Greece FG90 field test... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439
This importer of Mineoro from France will be happy to read the Long Range Locator forum... right?

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15500&stc=1&d=1306629180


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[robalocarapanda]

if you know the distributor in France of mineoros can tell him to look around where you found the earring, Alonzo, or some friend Patricia have led them to that place and they buried some oscillator about the gold piece, which seek to any VLF or PI will be certainly not deep

best regards

[J_Player]

if you know the distributor in France of mineoros can tell him to look around where you found the earring, Alonzo, or some friend Patricia have led them to that place and they buried some oscillator about the gold piece, which seek to any VLF or PI will be certainly not deep

best regardsI think no...
I watched the videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIhf3tO27I

I think Alonso was carrying the transmitter in his hand and was pushing the button to make beeps with his thumb.
You can see him holding his left hand closed to hide the transmitter that he was holding at the time the FG90 was beeping (see 00:30).
I think he made it beep by pushing the switch on the transmitter.
When he came close to the treasure, he was worried that the others might see his transmitter, so he put the transmitter in his camera case (see 00:44).
This transmitter was the same as the transmitter you found, except it had no 555 to make periodic beeps.
Instead, he put a switch that he could push with his thumb.

You can see that when Alonso makes his field demonstrations, he always carries his camera bag.
But why does Alonso carry his camera bag?
His camera bag is cumbersome, and it is always getting in the way.
Why didn't he leave the camera bag back in the car if he was not going to use it?
Alonso had no need to carry his camera bag, other than to hide the transmitter when people come close to where he is walking, and might see him holding the transmitter in his hand.

When Alonso came close to the treasure, he needed to take the transmitter out of his hand, because the other people were coming close to him, and they might see it in his hand.
This is the reason why he put the transmitter in his camera bag at 00:44.

Now watch at 00:50 to 01:33...
You can see that Alonso's hand is pressing on his camera bag every time when the FG90 is beeping.
It appears he is continuing to press the transmitter button through the camera case.
After 01:33, Alonso takes his hand off the camera bag.
What happened?
Did Alonso become convinced that the FG90 was close enough to the treasure to make beeps without the transmitter?

You can see the treasure they found at 11:55 is not an old treasure like all the treasure from ancient times that was found in this region.
It is modern jewelry which you can buy in the jewelry store in Brazil, or France. :rolleyes:

I would guess that Alonso takes several transmitters with him when he goes to demonstrate LRLs working.
I think he has a small one to fit in his hand, and another hidden in his camera bag, which he can use to make beeps by pushing on the bag with his fingers at the place where the transmitter switch is.
I think he also gives a transmitter to Patricia, or the other factory workers who help him.
But who cares what I think?
LRL enthusiasts are best to ignore what I think, and buy their LRLs as they believe.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[robalocarapanda]

no, I do not bring anything in the black box if you notice, at minutes: 5:58 French picks up the case and this is open and turns turtle in the air, and I personally inspected the case and the camera operates as camera, he likes to take pictures of the ruins of doors, old bridges etc, I think in the chamber or in case there is nothing, or their clothes and that I wanted in his jacket mesclilla, and even their bosas of pants, and being followed as it behaves on their clothes and brings nothing, when we returned to search the field, he sits for a moment before eating and bathing, with the pretext of going to the lavatory, I got into his revice room and his clothes and there was nothing, I think they help with another, and planted the device one day before, and this as you see in the photos is a little big and I think this device should be about 30 or 50 cm piece of gold for the gold piece that functions as the antenna of the center and deep and have the mineoro of the bep.
if the oscillator is not to near the gold piece the trick no good

best regards

[robalocarapanda]

or may be the france distributor agrees to Chacho as well as in mexico felipe agree. and set the stage that if it was in the briefcase and if I was not let go alonzo or not to let anyone manipulate

[hung]

Hello Hung !

What you want to say about that Mineoro tricks ?!!

Same happens in Garopaba,isnt it ?


:angry:

About a couple years ago, I and a friend found out that by employing a 2box transmitter tuned in a particular frequency, and also specially angled and placed close to a small target, we could 'excite' the ionic emanation from a small target up to the point of PDCs and FGs easily detecting the item. In this instance a gold medal was found.
Prior to the TX use, the signal was unstable and the PDC would only pick it in sparse beeps very close. When the TX was used, the target beeps turned constant and detectable at 4-5 times the distance.

I believe the oscillator Alonso buried close to the target was for this purpose.

Rgds.

[robalocarapanda]

yes I think it is also possible when the phenomenon, we can recover if we put an iron grill 80cm x 100cm placing it and lifting it 5 or 6 occasions and the phenomenon returns

best regards

[J_Player]

no, I do not bring anything in the black box if you notice, at minutes: 5:58 French picks up the case and this is open and turns turtle in the air, and I personally inspected the case and the camera operates as camera, he likes to take pictures of the ruins of doors, old bridges etc, I think in the chamber or in case there is nothing, or their clothes and that I wanted in his jacket mesclilla, and even their bosas of pants, and being followed as it behaves on their clothes and brings nothing, when we returned to search the field, he sits for a moment before eating and bathing, with the pretext of going to the lavatory, I got into his revice room and his clothes and there was nothing, I think they help with another, and planted the device one day before, and this as you see in the photos is a little big and I think this device should be about 30 or 50 cm piece of gold for the gold piece that functions as the antenna of the center and deep and have the mineoro of the bep.
if the oscillator is not to near the gold piece the trick no good

best regardsAt 05:58, they are at close range to the treasure.
At this time, there is no longer any need to use transmitter to make beeping.
The buried gold at 50cm distance will make beeps.

I believe Alonso will remove the transmitters from his case when he does not have the case with him.
This is the reason why you do not find any transmitters in his case.
The transmitter that you found in Mexico is designed to make beeps that you can detect from long distance.
But the transmitter that Alonso holds in his hand does not need a ferrite for long distance, because the distance from his hand to the FG90 is less than 1 meter.
Alonso can use a tiny transmitter to fit in his hand which nobody can see.
If Alonso wants to cause beeps at a distance of 1-2 meters, it is very easy to make a transmitter which is 1/4 of the size as the transmitter that you found.
I believe that also, his helpers... Patricia, Chaco, and others from the factory can have transmitters to make beeps from longer range than 1 meter.
The Mineoro locators can also be made to beep with a garage door opener transmitter. See here: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/geophysics/98039-mineoro-dc2007-questions.html

You can send PM to Morgan... he will tell you the story of his friend in France who was with Alonso during the video...
and after Alonso went home, the FG90 no longer can find treasure..! http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464

But maybe what I think is wrong...
Maybe it is time to buy Mineoro LRL...


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[robalocarapanda]

well well, not to bother you but two things first that alonzo to cheating and cheat if it is, but I also met some coins and another gold pieces with FG80 and without alonzo with me.
and may be alonzo have hidden mini oscillators, alonzo or patricia, have many years perfecting the tricks to convince buyers that the teams work well.

best regards

[mosha]

Hi J_P

Why you think it is time to buy Mineoro LRL.

Best regards,



But maybe what I think is wrong...
Maybe it is time to buy Mineoro LRL...


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Dave J.]

About a couple years ago, I and a friend found out that by employing a 2box transmitter tuned in a particular frequency, and also specially angled and placed close to a small target, we could 'excite' the ionic emanation from a small target up to the point of PDCs and FGs easily detecting the item. In this instance a gold medal was found.
Prior to the TX use, the signal was unstable and the PDC would only pick it in sparse beeps very close. When the TX was used, the target beeps turned constant and detectable at 4-5 times the distance.

I believe the oscillator Alonso buried close to the target was for this purpose.

Rgds.

And, what a coincidence, Mineoro does 2-box units! Check the frequency and then look at the schematic that was posted above. What a coincidence! What was planted is known in the industry as a "sonde". We (Fisher) just happen to know a thing or two about such matters, being the oldest company in the business.

Of course what Mineoro was up to had nothing to do with "exciting ionic emanations" (that's pseudoscience malarkey for the gullibillies) and has everything to do with the fraud to which Hung himself has just admitted to knowing about!

Besides which the Mineoro website itself contradicts the notion that you can plant a target and then recover it, it even contradicts the notion that anything that happens with targets is detectable! Mineoro knows exactly what kind of business LRL's are, and the business is fraud.

We all know the same thing about LRL's, debunkers and merchandisers alike, that the things are frauds. The only disagreement is over what should be said and done about it.

Hung, what should be said and done about LRL fraud, is there anything you'd like to clarify that hasn't been covered by the factory already?

--Dave J.

[Dave J.]

Hung, I'll make a prediction about Mineoro.

They are a strangely bifurcated business-- the fraudulent LRL stuff, and the real electronic locating apparatus. Their fraudulent non-swivelling LRL stuff is the worst in the LRL industry, lacking even a swivel to fool yourself with (hence the fakery with hidden transmitters to which you have actually confessed!); and some of their real electronic locating apparatus looks like it might be pretty darn good although I haven't gotten my hands on it myself to know for sure.

The Internet is really rough on the LRL business. You saw what it did to Chuckie, he advertised that nobody could hide from H3tec and in the end he was the one who tried to hide from it. He couldn't hide, the monster he created caught up with him and ruined him.

Hung, you're next, and here's why.

* * * * * * * *

Mineoro has become a good sized "real company". They're at a crossroads, they're going to have to choose whether they're in the LRL business or the real detection apparatus business. They won't be able to do both. The LRL business is doomed because the Internet is such a great venue for exposing fraud, and thanks in part to that same Internet the real detection apparatus can be as successful as they like depending on how good their engineering and marketing is. They've got this figured out now, that's why they're talking to Minelab. The handwriting is on the wall: they're gonna have to dump their LRL business because it discredits their real business and because having to deal with the problems of the LRL business sucks energy out of their real business.

Please feel free to give 'em my contact information, maybe there's some avenue in which Mineoro and FTP-Fisher could collaborate. There's stuff they've got that we'd probably like to have, and there's stuff we've got that they'd probably like to have. Obviously LRL's are not a part of this picture, they're an obstacle to it. It's unthinkable that Minelab wouldn't have already told them that, if Mineoro weren't bright enough to have it already figured out. But they are bright enough to have it already figured out. They're gonna dump the LRL business.

LRL's will still be around, but they won't have the Mineoro trademark on them.

* * * * * * * * * *

That's my prediction for Mineoro. But I could be wrong. So, Hung, you know these people personally, what do you predict about Mineoro's future?

--Dave J.

[Qiaozhi]

About a couple years ago, I and a friend found out that by employing a 2box transmitter tuned in a particular frequency, and also specially angled and placed close to a small target, we could 'excite' the ionic emanation from a small target up to the point of PDCs and FGs easily detecting the item. In this instance a gold medal was found.
Prior to the TX use, the signal was unstable and the PDC would only pick it in sparse beeps very close. When the TX was used, the target beeps turned constant and detectable at 4-5 times the distance.

I believe the oscillator Alonso buried close to the target was for this purpose.

Rgds.
This would be one possible explanation ... except, Alonso allegedly ran off with the gold treasure, leaving nothing behind to be 'excited'. :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

Hi J_P

Why you think it is time to buy Mineoro LRL.

Best regards,It is time to buy Mineoro only if you think I am wrong, and you believe Mineoro is a good way to find treasure from long distance.
If you believe Mineoro is not a good way to find treasure from a long distance, and if you believe Alonso hides transmitters to make Mineoro beep, then maybe not a good idea to buy Mineoro.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

About a couple years ago, I and a friend found out that by employing a 2box transmitter tuned in a particular frequency, and also specially angled and placed close to a small target, we could 'excite' the ionic emanation from a small target up to the point of PDCs and FGs easily detecting the item. In this instance a gold medal was found.
Prior to the TX use, the signal was unstable and the PDC would only pick it in sparse beeps very close. When the TX was used, the target beeps turned constant and detectable at 4-5 times the distance.

I believe the oscillator Alonso buried close to the target was for this purpose.

Rgds.

Hi Hung.
I agree with you!!
I made some experiments on it. Also the beeps from oscillator are not the same (they are continously) as the beeps from a target.
But Alonso must be more "clear" when he make tricks as this.

Regards:)

[Geo]

hello, sorry for the delay here I sent the diagram of the first oscillator was found. Alonzo told us that we did not use PI teams that erased the ionization or the signal and that equipment and did not find but, the second reason was because he did not want oscillators we found buried around the marks previously buried.

best regards

Hi robalocarapanda.

The schematic of the oscillator is wrong!!.
If the transistor is the BC548 (NPN) then you must reverse the collector with the emitter.

Regards:)

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Hung.
I agree with you!!
I made some experiments on it. Also the beeps from oscillator are not the same (they are continously) as the beeps from a target.
But Alonso must be more "clear" when he make tricks as this.

Regards:)
How could Alonso's oscillator excite the target, when the target is no longer there?

This is not a riddle. :rolleyes:

[mosha]

It is time to buy Mineoro only if you think I am wrong, and you believe Mineoro is a good way to find treasure from long distance.
If you believe Mineoro is not a good way to find treasure from a long distance, and if you believe Alonso hides transmitters to make Mineoro beep, then maybe not a good idea to buy Mineoro.


Best Wishes,
J_P

:???:

[Geo]

How could Alonso's oscillator excite the target, when the target is no longer there?

This is not a riddle. :rolleyes:

I'm not talking about this case, perhaps he forgot the oscillator. The oscillator signal was so strong that I think it would be impossible Alonso to laugh anyone.
My opinion :rolleyes:..... i am not sure

[Geo]

I think no...
I watched the videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIhf3tO27I

I think Alonso was carrying the transmitter in his hand and was pushing the button to make beeps with his thumb.
You can see him holding his left hand closed to hide the transmitter that he was holding at the time the FG90 was beeping (see 00:30).
I think he made it beep by pushing the switch on the transmitter.
When he came close to the treasure, he was worried that the others might see his transmitter, so he put the transmitter in his camera case (see 00:44).
This transmitter was the same as the transmitter you found, except it had no 555 to make periodic beeps.
Instead, he put a switch that he could push with his thumb.

You can see that when Alonso makes his field demonstrations, he always carries his camera bag.
But why does Alonso carry his camera bag?
His camera bag is cumbersome, and it is always getting in the way.
Why didn't he leave the camera bag back in the car if he was not going to use it?
Alonso had no need to carry his camera bag, other than to hide the transmitter when people come close to where he is walking, and might see him holding the transmitter in his hand.

When Alonso came close to the treasure, he needed to take the transmitter out of his hand, because the other people were coming close to him, and they might see it in his hand.
This is the reason why he put the transmitter in his camera bag at 00:44.

Now watch at 00:50 to 01:33...
You can see that Alonso's hand is pressing on his camera bag every time when the FG90 is beeping.
It appears he is continuing to press the transmitter button through the camera case.
After 01:33, Alonso takes his hand off the camera bag.
What happened?
Did Alonso become convinced that the FG90 was close enough to the treasure to make beeps without the transmitter?

You can see the treasure they found at 11:55 is not an old treasure like all the treasure from ancient times that was found in this region.
It is modern jewelry which you can buy in the jewelry store in Brazil, or France. :rolleyes:

I would guess that Alonso takes several transmitters with him when he goes to demonstrate LRLs working.
I think he has a small one to fit in his hand, and another hidden in his camera bag, which he can use to make beeps by pushing on the bag with his fingers at the place where the transmitter switch is.
I think he also gives a transmitter to Patricia, or the other factory workers who help him.
But who cares what I think?
LRL enthusiasts are best to ignore what I think, and buy their LRLs as they believe.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
At 00:25 until 00:33 Alonso locate the object (you hear the beeps) with the left hand far from his camera bag.

Regards

[Geo]

One more....
I tried to see again the videos with the Mineoro and the oscillator but now the videos does not exist in the Utube.
Can anyone send me the videos??? via email???

Regards:)

[michael]

Hi Geo, although you are not very honest ;), but I sent all movies to gvrond@excite.com.
of course I had converted first files and merged all in one single file in *.flv format. you need winrar software to execute split files to single file.

[robalocarapanda]

really that the videos are real, the video is real, was carried out immediately after that we, I end up the surprise of finding the oscillator, we stopped and we do, we can do in the back of the videos that my daughter 16 years and one side is the wife of the ingeniro mail, was not going to make a fraud in front of my daughter ..
we were like 2 hours trying all the LRL and all the signal captured some more some less but doubt, we jump when the LRL Tesla White did not detect the signal, we at last the LRA since the end with the ionic field was strange that in days past and this was alonzo LRL tried it and gave us the last 4 beps two to the left and two right and did not give more, they finished the ionic field.

there were two strange things, first teams gave beps LRL and LRL beps without moving, you aimed the LRL bep bep bep and sounded boe.
second, the tesla did not work.

decided to locate the target with a PI and the target was not in its original place was in another and there was a cactus cut with a knife and covered with earth, it was more strange then had a white trash down the cactus, that was more rare, that's how we discovered the oscillator, and decided to present the methods, we were angry alonzo, each person traveled two hours with LRL to test and see if that day would be a good day to search the old road, which led to people and their cargoes of gold, from Mexico to Veracruz as well as the hideouts of bandits who stole around.

[J_Player]

I think no...
I watched the videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIhf3tO27I

I think Alonso was carrying the transmitter in his hand and was pushing the button to make beeps with his thumb.
You can see him holding his left hand closed to hide the transmitter that he was holding at the time the FG90 was beeping (see 00:30).
I think he made it beep by pushing the switch on the transmitter.
When he came close to the treasure, he was worried that the others might see his transmitter, so he put the transmitter in his camera case (see 00:44).
This transmitter was the same as the transmitter you found, except it had no 555 to make periodic beeps.
Instead, he put a switch that he could push with his thumb.

You can see that when Alonso makes his field demonstrations, he always carries his camera bag.
But why does Alonso carry his camera bag?
His camera bag is cumbersome, and it is always getting in the way.
Why didn't he leave the camera bag back in the car if he was not going to use it?
Alonso had no need to carry his camera bag, other than to hide the transmitter when people come close to where he is walking, and might see him holding the transmitter in his hand.

When Alonso came close to the treasure, he needed to take the transmitter out of his hand, because the other people were coming close to him, and they might see it in his hand.
This is the reason why he put the transmitter in his camera bag at 00:44.

Now watch at 00:50 to 01:33...
You can see that Alonso's hand is pressing on his camera bag every time when the FG90 is beeping.
It appears he is continuing to press the transmitter button through the camera case.
After 01:33, Alonso takes his hand off the camera bag.
What happened?
Did Alonso become convinced that the FG90 was close enough to the treasure to make beeps without the transmitter?

You can see the treasure they found at 11:55 is not an old treasure like all the treasure from ancient times that was found in this region.
It is modern jewelry which you can buy in the jewelry store in Brazil, or France.

I would guess that Alonso takes several transmitters with him when he goes to demonstrate LRLs working.
I think he has a small one to fit in his hand, and another hidden in his camera bag, which he can use to make beeps by pushing on the bag with his fingers at the place where the transmitter switch is.
I think he also gives a transmitter to Patricia, or the other factory workers who help him.
But who cares what I think?
LRL enthusiasts are best to ignore what I think, and buy their LRLs as they believe.


Best Wishes,
J_P



Hi J_P.
At 00:25 until 00:33 Alonso locate the object (you hear the beeps) with the left hand far from his camera bag.

RegardsHi Geo,
Of course Alonso's hand was not near the camera bag at 00:25 until 00:33.

Maybe you did not read my post. Here is what I said:
"I think Alonso was carrying the transmitter in his hand and was pushing the button to make beeps with his thumb.
You can see him holding his left hand closed to hide the transmitter that he was holding at the time the FG90 was beeping (see 00:30).
I think he made it beep by pushing the switch on the transmitter.
When he came close to the treasure, he was worried that the others might see his transmitter, so he put the transmitter in his camera case (see 00:44)".

We know that after Alonso and his team left France, nobody could find good detection with the FG90... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464
Do you really believe Alonso did not use a hidden transmitter during that demonstration?


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo, although you are not very honest ;), but I sent all movies to gvrond@excite.com.
of course I had converted first files and merged all in one single file in *.flv format. you need winrar software to execute split files to single file.

Hi Michael.
Thanks very much for the videos, but why you say me No honest????
I did not said any lie !!!!!!:nono:

Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Of course Alonso's hand was not near the camera bag at 00:25 until 00:33.

Maybe you did not read my post. Here is what I said:
"I think Alonso was carrying the transmitter in his hand and was pushing the button to make beeps with his thumb.
You can see him holding his left hand closed to hide the transmitter that he was holding at the time the FG90 was beeping (see 00:30).
I think he made it beep by pushing the switch on the transmitter.
When he came close to the treasure, he was worried that the others might see his transmitter, so he put the transmitter in his camera case (see 00:44)".

We know that after Alonso and his team left France, nobody could find good detection with the FG90... http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464
Do you really believe Alonso did not use a hidden transmitter during that demonstration?


Best Wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
You have not right.
At 1:34 ... 01:40 the man from France pinpoint the object and the Alonso has his hand far from camera bag. So how the FG90 beeps when pinpint????
I also have doubts as you, but I can not say anything without proof.
I am interesting more for the truth and not if Alonso is a fraud or not.

Regards

[michael]

Hi Michael.
Thanks very much for the videos, but why you say me No honest????
I did not said any lie !!!!!!:nono:

Regards:)

Hi, my purpose was not for this thread or these subjects, it was for giving consults for making Good, workable LRL, ;) but……. Forget it man, no matter.

[Geo]

Hi, my purpose was not for this thread or these subjects, it was for giving consults for making Good, workable LRL, ;) but……. Forget it man, no matter.

Hi Michael
Its a big story that i can't write here:(.
Some of your ("good friends") maybe stop me!!!!!!!
But as you wrote, Forget it.........
The LRL game is not so honest:(

Regards:)

[Morgan]

Hi Michael
Its a big story that i can't write here:(.
Some of your ("good friends") maybe stop me!!!!!!!
But as you wrote, Forget it.........
The LRL game is not so honest:(

Regards:)

Hello Geo

Mr. Alonso admit that it was making tricks with hide oscillators to deceive people and make them believe there is treasure,also the clever ideia to insert the transmitter inside the cactus is amazing,nobody go to dig the cactus,i can say that becouse Hugo sent me one message.
Also Mr. Alonso say sorry for that and is asking forgive to the maxican LRL team.
The team agree to not complain to police becouse of advanced age of Mr.Alonso.

And of course he and Patricia,both shooting the transmitters in the french forest,this is very well organized team,this is important to make believe the potential clients that MINEORO is good LRL,but we know the true...

Regards


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[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
You have not right.
At 1:34 ... 01:40 the man from France pinpoint the object and the Alonso has his hand far from camera bag. So how the FG90 beeps when pinpint????
I also have doubts as you, but I can not say anything without proof.
I am interesting more for the truth and not if Alonso is a fraud or not.

RegardsHi Geo,
I already told the answers to your question of how the FG90 was beeping when his hand was far from his bag.
Alonso had more than one transmitter. One small one to hide inside his hand, one for inside his bag, and one for Patricia.
Also, when the FG90 is finally very close to the treasure, then it does not need a transmitter to make beeps.
Go to read my posts above.
I already explained all this.

Nobody can prove that Alonso or Patricia had transmitters on the day when they made a treasure hunt in France, unless Alonso wants to tell us the truth.
The reason is because nobody stopped to look at what is inside Alonso's closed hand to see what button he was pushing with his thumb when the FG90 was beeping.
And nobody took a look to see what is inside his bag.
Nobody thought it was important to check with a radio direction finder to see if any oscillator was being used.

But if you really want the truth, you can ask Morgan.
He received emails from people who were there, and they say the truth is the FG90 did not work to find treasure from long distance after Alonso and his team left.
It only worked when Alonso and Patricia were there to help find treasure.
This is a fact.

Another fact is robalocarpanda found a transmitter which Alonso buried near a test treasure that he stole in Mexico.
This is also the truth.

Another fact is Carl-NC tested an FG80 and some other Mineoro locators. He found that the FG80 did not detect gold. But it did detect his electric fence.

Look here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=128820&postcount=42
You will find over 20 posts where people tell their story of bad detection or no detection from Mineoro after they waste their money.

Nobody made false posts to tell these facts. They are the truth.

From what I can see, it appears the Mineoro locators are good for short distance locating, (maybe 1 meter).
But they will need a secret transmitter to make them beep from long range.
The short distance locating from the FG90 which I see in the video makes me think maybe it is better to use only a metal detector.
For the same cost as an FG90, you can buy several very expensive metal detectors, including a 2-box, a Lorenz, and some nice White's or Fisher metal detectors, and maybe still have money left to go to the movies.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15528&stc=1&d=1306801716

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18021&stc=1&d=1343984491 http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I already told the answers to your question of how the FG90 was beeping when his hand was far from his bag.
Alonso had more than one transmitter. One small one to hide inside his hand, one for inside his bag, and one for Patricia.
Also, when the FG90 is finally very close to the treasure, then it does not need a transmitter to make beeps.
Go to read my posts above.
I already explained all this.

Nobody can prove that Alonso or Patricia had transmitters on the day when they made a treasure hunt in France, unless Alonso wants to tell us the truth.
The reason is because nobody stopped to look at what is inside Alonso's closed hand to see what button he was pushing with his thumb when the FG90 was beeping.
And nobody took a look to see what is inside his bag.
Nobody thought it was important to check with a radio direction finder to see if any oscillator was being used.

But if you really want the truth, you can ask Morgan.
He received emails from people who were there, and they say the truth is the FG90 did not work to find treasure from long distance after Alonso and his team left.
It only worked when Alonso and Patricia were there to help find treasure.
This is a fact.

Another fact is robalocarpanda found a transmitter which Alonso buried near a test treasure that he stole in Mexico.
This is also the truth.

Another fact is Carl-NC tested an FG80 and some other Mineoro locators. He found that the FG80 did not detect gold. But it did detect his electric fence.

Look here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=128820&postcount=42
You will find over 20 posts where people tell their story of bad detection or no detection from Mineoro after they waste their money.

Nobody made false posts to tell these facts. They are the truth.

From what I can see, it appears the Mineoro locators are good for short distance locating, (maybe 1 meter).
But they will need a secret transmitter to make them beep from long range.
The short distance locating from the FG90 which I see in the video makes me think maybe it is better to use only a metal detector.
For the same cost as an FG90, you can buy several very expensive metal detectors, including a 2-box, a Lorenz, and some nice White's or Fisher metal detectors, and maybe still have money left to go to the movies.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
You see everywhere transmitters:lol:. I don't believe that all the team of Mineoro at Paris had hidden transmitters. If so then why they did not hide transmitters at Greece or at Fyrom????
Now about the cost of FG90 etc.... this is another story. Our problem is if it works or if it is a fraud and not the cost.
But enough about it because with what we write we promote them.
Regards:)

[Morgan]

Hi J_P.
You see everywhere transmitters:lol:. I don't believe that all the team of Mineoro at Paris had hidden transmitters. If so then why they did not hide transmitters at Greece or at Fyrom????
Now about the cost of FG90 etc.... this is another story. Our problem is if it works or if it is a fraud and not the cost.
But enough about it because with what we write we promote them.
Regards:)


I believe the MINEORO can locate a treasure,but it must be a large treasure,and the weather conditions etc,must be special.For any kind of small object this mineoro LRL is problematic,even my PDK´s are not so good as i think,it experience diferent behavior out from Portugal and Greece,well,i´m honest about that,anyway i´m building one VHF to solve the problem.
Hugo is using one PDK-2 in Mexico,said is a bit erratic,but i tried here before sent to him,and it was very stable. The good new,he get some clear signal in old house but cant get signal with conventional metal locator...maybe very deep target ?
The PDK-2 also gave beeps in the cactus transmitter,but it was the false target...

The Alonso use hide transmitters for potential clients.Is one easy way to make them believe this LRL is working good,and they buy the LRL...10000 E ;-)

Robalocarapanda (Hugo) sent me email where is possible to understand Mr.Alonso said sorry for the hide transmitters and is asking forgive to the mexican team. Also he said will compensate them with a special LRL the CENTURION ,so everything is clear to me,no doubt,Alonso was playing the bad boy...

[humhum]

[QUOTE=Morgan;143203]I believe the MINEORO can locate a treasure,but it must be a large treasure,and the weather conditions etc,must be special.For any kind of small object this mineoro LRL is problematic.


Hi Morgan, you is right that LRL works only of big object (pot and big ) and the weather conditions will be very good. My LRL find from few Kilometer only if is big object. If object is small (three euro moneys) can't find.
I think that Mineoro old version PDC210 works. But new generation Mineoro, i not know.

Regards.:)

[robalocarapanda]

i am find a small target with fg80, like a as a small link in a chain about 3 mm long and 60 cm buried on the beach at a distance of 4 m had to use a sieve to locate, and found a slope with a blue stone at a distance of 8 m and buried at the side of a plow as a 35 cm.

in other forums say the FG80 are not able to find great things only girls, so what's the truth, I do small things and found.

best regards

[Geo]

i am find a small target with fg80, like a as a small link in a chain about 3 mm long and 60 cm buried on the beach at a distance of 4 m had to use a sieve to locate, and found a slope with a blue stone at a distance of 8 m and buried at the side of a plow as a 35 cm.

in other forums say the FG80 are not able to find great things only girls, so what's the truth, I do small things and found.

best regards

This is great news. Perhaps the J_P must be included along with the statements of other Mineoro owners.

Regards:)

[J_Player]

i am find a small target with fg80, like a as a small link in a chain about 3 mm long and 60 cm buried on the beach at a distance of 4 m had to use a sieve to locate, and found a slope with a blue stone at a distance of 8 m and buried at the side of a plow as a 35 cm.

in other forums say the FG80 are not able to find great things only girls, so what's the truth, I do small things and found.

best regardsThis is good news that you find from 8m distance when using Mineoro.
I think this is medium range locating.
Maybe 2 meters to 8 meters is medium range, which is the maximum distance that you can detect with a 2-box when locating a very large target.
The difference is you located small jewelry that a 2-box cannot locate from 8 meters, not a large target.

The bad news is Mineoro advertising says FG80 will locate 1200 meters (long range).
But 8 meters is better than metal detector for finding small jewelry.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

This is great news. Perhaps the J_P must be included along with the statements of other Mineoro owners.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
You made a big mistake..!!
You know very well that I am NOT owner of Mineoro LRL!
You should not make a suggestion to tell lies in the longrangelocator forum !! :nono: :nono:

J_P

[Morgan]

i am find a small target with fg80, like a as a small link in a chain about 3 mm long and 60 cm buried on the beach at a distance of 4 m had to use a sieve to locate, and found a slope with a blue stone at a distance of 8 m and buried at the side of a plow as a 35 cm.

in other forums say the FG80 are not able to find great things only girls, so what's the truth, I do small things and found.

best regards

yes,i believe,i also have MINEORO model DC2008,and a few times i found small objects,but the problem is MINEORO need special weather conditions to work as Long Range Locator,otherwise cant locate targets.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
You made a big mistake..!!
You know very well that I am NOT owner of Mineoro LRL!
You should not make a suggestion to tell lies in the longrangelocator forum !! :nono: :nono:

J_P


Hi J_P.
I Never said that you are a Mineoro owner!!!.
I said that now you must add what robalocarapanda wrote at http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...0&postcount=42.
Nothing more.....
Maybe you don't understand my bad English :(
..... and i never say lies:nono:,
Never.
Regards:)

[Geo]

yes,i believe,i also have MINEORO model DC2008,and a few times i found small objects,but the problem is MINEORO need special weather conditions to work as Long Range Locator,otherwise cant locate targets.

So Mineoro works a little.......:lol:, even my PDC210 did not locate nothing:angry:.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I Never said that you are a Mineoro owner!!!.
I said that now you must add what robalocarapanda wrote at http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...0&postcount=42.
Nothing more.....
Maybe you don't understand my bad English :(
..... and i never say lies:nono:,
Never.
Regards:)Hi Geo.
You did not say "I said that now you must add what robalocarapanda wrote at..."
Here are your words:
Perhaps the J_P must be included along with the statements of other Mineoro owners.why do you suggest that the J_P must be included along with the statements with other Mineoro owners?
Do you believe we should cause people to think I am a Mineoro owner because I must be included along with the statements of other Mineoro owners?
Do you really think people will believe it is only a mistake of bad English?

In case anyone does not know, I do NOT own any Mineoro LRLs.
If you read anywhere that I am included with other Mineoro owners, then you are reading false information. :nono:

Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo.
You did not say "I said that now you must add what robalocarapanda wrote at..."
Here are your words:
why do you suggest that the J_P must be included along with the statements with other Mineoro owners?
Do you believe we should cause people to think I am a Mineoro owner because I must be included along with the statements of other Mineoro owners?
Do you really think people will believe it is only a mistake of bad English?

In case anyone does not know, I do NOT own any Mineoro LRLs.
If you read anywhere that I am included with other Mineoro owners, then you are reading false information. :nono:

Best Wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.

Many times you post here comments from people that had a Mineoro and they found Nothing.
So i said to put in this list and the comments of Hugo (and now from Morgan) that they found some small objects under good weather conditions.
That is all what i wanted to say.
So big problem for nothing........

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

Many times you post here comments from people that had a Mineoro and they found Nothing.
So i said to put in this list and the comments of Hugo (and now from Morgan) that they found some small objects under good weather conditions.
That is all what i wanted to say.
So big problem for nothing........

Regards:)The big problem is you posted words to say something very different than what you wanted to say.
And people should not believe the wrong meaning you posted because it is not true.

Do you mean I should include the story of short-range locating from Morgan and robalocarapanda when I show what people say about their experience with Mineoro?
Maybe I should do that.

Do you think I should also include the story of Alonso stealing gold from robalocarapanda, and the story of Alonso putting a transmitter to make the Mineoro FG80 make beeps?
I would not want to make my list of Mineoro experiences one-sided, so maybe we should tell the complete story.
Don't you think so?

Here are some links where people tell what is their experience with Mineoro:
mosha: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45337#post45337
vconic: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46044#post46044
Alexismex: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41017#post41017
resamery: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48062#post48062 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48062)
michael: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47738#post47738
neronc: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315
Seeker: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50318#post50318
Morris_jo: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=53459#post53459
Geo: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125589#post125589
hawk17966: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46622#post46622
Alexismex: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47559#post47559
Carl-NC: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47488#post47488
vcrb: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47501#post47501
connie: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96087#post96087
Morgan: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=127935#post127935
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128523#post128523
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128080#post128080
bugwhiskers: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60207#post60207
neronc: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48814#post48814
gibon: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128069#post128069
Agraz: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128685#post128685
hawk17966: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46547#post46547
michael: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47738#post47738

I could add the story of Morgan and robalocarapanda finding short-range detection at the end.
But where should I put the story of Alonso stealing robalocarapanda's gold?
Were should I put the story of Alonso hiding a transmitter to make the LRLs make beeps?
Are we better to include these links or not?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

I believe the MINEORO can locate a treasure,but it must be a large treasure,and the weather conditions etc,must be special.For any kind of small object this mineoro LRL is problematic,even my PDK´s are not so good as i think,it experience diferent behavior out from Portugal and Greece,well,i´m honest about that,anyway i´m building one VHF to solve the problem.
Hugo is using one PDK-2 in Mexico,said is a bit erratic,but i tried here before sent to him,and it was very stable. The good new,he get some clear signal in old house but cant get signal with conventional metal locator...maybe very deep target ?
The PDK-2 also gave beeps in the cactus transmitter,but it was the false target...

The Alonso use hide transmitters for potential clients.Is one easy way to make them believe this LRL is working good,and they buy the LRL...10000 E ;-)

Robalocarapanda (Hugo) sent me email where is possible to understand Mr.Alonso said sorry for the hide transmitters and is asking forgive to the mexican team.
Also he said will compensate them with a special LRL the CENTURION ,so everything is clear to me,no doubt,Alonso was playing the bad boy...Hi Morgan,
What is CENTURION? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif
Have you seen this locator?
It will be interesting to see what is Centurion, and what it can do.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

The big problem is you posted words to say something very different than what you wanted to say.
And people should not believe the wrong meaning you posted because it is not true.

Do you mean I should include the story of short-range locating from Morgan and robalocarapanda when I show what people say about their experience with Mineoro?
Maybe I should do that.

Do you think I should also include the story of Alonso stealing gold from robalocarapanda, and the story of Alonso putting a transmitter to make the Mineoro FG80 make beeps?
I would not want to make my list of Mineoro experiences one-sided, so maybe we should tell the complete story.
Don't you think so?

Here are some links where people tell what is their experience with Mineoro:
mosha: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45337#post45337
vconic: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46044#post46044
Alexismex: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41017#post41017
resamery: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48062#post48062 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48062)
michael: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47738#post47738
neronc: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315
Seeker: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50318#post50318
Morris_jo: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=53459#post53459
Geo: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125589#post125589
hawk17966: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46622#post46622
Alexismex: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47559#post47559
Carl-NC: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47488#post47488
vcrb: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47501#post47501
connie: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96087#post96087
Morgan: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=127935#post127935
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128523#post128523
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128080#post128080
bugwhiskers: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60207#post60207
neronc: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48814#post48814
gibon: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128069#post128069
Agraz: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128685#post128685
hawk17966: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46547#post46547
michael: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47738#post47738

I could add the story of Morgan and robalocarapanda finding short-range detection at the end.
But where should I put the story of Alonso stealing robalocarapanda's gold?
Were should I put the story of Alonso hiding a transmitter to make the LRLs make beeps?
Are we better to include these links or not?


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

You are the list constructor, so you know where to put the story of Alonso....
For me the best is the true, so you must include everything true at your list!!!!!

Regards:)

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
What is CENTURION? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif
Have you seen this locator?
It will be interesting to see what is Centurion, and what it can do.


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

The CENTURION LRL is some new LRL by Alonso,i think not finish yet.
Better Hugo explain us about this...

Maybe secret ?

[robalocarapanda]

the centurion 21 is made for another company in usa or in uruguay the store is detector house.com
and alonzo explain me this lrl is a good transmiter but have a deficiency receiver and may be he can made some modification to make more efficient lrl, make a mixture between fg80-centurion 21

best regards

[robalocarapanda]

images in the google search I found this with chacho in Mexico, that bracelet now found her in 2012 and that bracelet used it to convince a client where there was found the second oscillator, and not to think felipe chacho and not know how to lie or do very well this information come in the face book of mineoro.
if you look are in the same places in mexico with cactus and the same vegetation is 60 mts from the first oscillator

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=329762280446032&set=a.216078811814380.55533.216042025151392&type=1&theater

[robalocarapanda]

the information in face says the bracelet find in mexico in 2010 please open the face book of mineoro and the small bar of golden is true mi friend that appear in the first video fraud of mineoro , find with the tesla. but the the bracelet is lie

regards

[J_Player]

the information in face says the bracelet find in mexico in 2010 please open the face book of mineoro and the small bar of golden is true mi friend that appear in the first video fraud of mineoro , find with the tesla. but the the bracelet is lie

regardsHi robalocarapanda,
This is most interesting.
I went to facebook and saw the fake photo where Mineoro Indústria Eletrônica LTDA says Mr. Alonso finds 11g gold bracelet in Mexico, in 2010, in a dry river course.
Then I clicked to see the next photo, which brought me here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=329410943814499&set=a.216078811814380.55533.216042025151392&type=1&permPage=1

On this page, Mineoro Indústria Eletrônica LTDA says this: "Mr. Jim Mitchell, American citizen, from Dallas, Texas 2nd. World War veteran, found 10 silver coins with MINEORO first Long Range Detector DCH85, in 1985".
This is another fake photo which was shown to be fake after Esteban posted it here in the longrangelocator forum in 2006! :nono: :nono: :nono:

You can read the entire thread where the fake Mineoro photo of Jim Mitchell was discovered here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12097
This is long reading, but you will see at the top where Esteban posted these same photos of Jim Mitchell holding the Mineoro LRL in one hand and silver dollars in the other hand.

As we learn farther down in the thread, Jim Mitchell's photo holding those coins was also published in "Lost Treasure Magazine Oct 1989" where he is holding an Electroscope LRL in the other hand. :nono:
(see here): http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=45990&postcount=36

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/426902_329410943814499_870363258_n.jpg http://www.electroscopes.com/images/scanned/find1.jpg
JIM MITCHELL SHOWS US THE SAME COINS
BUT NOW HE SAYS HE FOUND THE COINS USING ELECTROSCOPE! :nono:
Here is a reprint of the "Lost Treasure Magazine Oct 1989" article that is found on Electroscope's web page: http://www.electroscopes.com/members/finds_2.asp

Farther down in that thread, we read Carl-NC's post where he suggests that Jim Mitchell was paid by both LRL companies to make these fake photos:
Carl-NC: "Well, that involves the additional info I have, which suggests that no LRL was involved at all in finding the coins, and that Mr. Mitchell was paid by both companies.
Looks like everyone here was cheating.
It destroys the credibility of both company's claims.
Oh, I don't think for a second that Mineoro is an innocent victim in all this. And I suspect you knew about all this before I posted it.
Well, that involves the additional info I have, which suggests that no LRL was involved at all in finding the coins, and that Mr. Mitchell was paid by both companies".
(See here): http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=45996&postcount=40

Of course, Dell Winders jumped into the discussion after Carl-NC uncovered the facts, and insisted Jim Mitchell denies that he found anything with Electroscope LRLs:
Dell Winders: When Thomas Affalini, published that Jim's finds were found with the Electroscope, Jim sent a letter to Electroscope, and Lost Treasure magazine, emphatically denying that he had found anything with the Electroscope. A retraction or apology was never made,to my knowledge.
Carl-NC: This correlates to what I was told years ago in an email. I was also told the silver dollars were found with a metal detector, no mention of Mineoro. The email must be from my Compuserve days, and I no longer have it, nor can I remember who sent it.
There is still a problem with this issue. There is a photo of Jim Mitchell holding an Escope in one hand, and silver dollars in the other. If he did not genuinely find the silver dollars with the Escope, then there aren't many ethical reasons he would pose for this photo, and any other photos of him posing with an LRL cannot be trusted.
(See here): http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=45996&postcount=40

What!!?
Carl-NC learned that the coins were found with a METAL DETECTOR? --- NOT AN LRL? http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17736&stc=1&d=1325442464

Maybe Alonso should remove that fake photo from his facebook page.... :nono: :nono: :nono:


Best Wishes, :)
J_P

[robalocarapanda]

if I do not doubt that these companies are doing this to attract customers in the facebook page of mineoro chacho appears with three allazgos a small bar of gold, which my friend found a tesla, then get a medallion according found in 2011, and the other was the bracelet in 2010, and these allazgos were found in 2012, the small bar is real but was found with another LRL and the year does not correspond, the medal was found with a LRL as esteban makes the red one with a fixed antenna aluminum pipe, and the bracelet is false that we find the second oscillator chacho where he headed straight to look as if it would attract a magnet.
I'm like in a movie where I am tying up loose ends of the memories I have of how the meetings were held, no, but honestly I think some were true, but many other false, in addition to the information in their web exiben is false does not correspond dates, which they say was found.
i put the pictures of the medallion this are in my hand in the 2012 year not in 2011 or 2010.

si no lo dudo, que estas compañias esten haciendo esto para atraer clientes, en la pagina de facebook de mineoro aparece chacho , con tres allazgos una pequeña barra de oro, la cual la encontro mi amigo con un tesla, despues sale un medallon que segun encontraron en el 2011 , y el otro fue la pulsera en el 2010 , y estos allazgos se encontraron en el 2012 , la barra pequeña es verdadera pero se encontro con otro LRL y el año no corresponde, la medalla fue encontrada con un un LRL como los que hace esteban uno rojo con una antena fija de tubo de aluminio, y la pulsera es falsa por que encontramos el segundo oscilador en el lugar donde chacho se dirigio directamente a buscar como si un iman lo atrajera.
estoy como en una pelicula donde estoy atando cabos de los recuerdos que tengo de como se realizaron los encuentros, no se , pero honestamente creo que unos fueron verdaderos , pero muchos otros falsos, ademas de la informacion que exiben en sus web es falsa no corresponden las fechas , en las que dicen se encontro.

[robalocarapanda]

excuse this is the mini tesla with mi friend find de medallion and de small gold barr

best regards

[Geo]

Hi.
Is this Tesla LRL tha same with these that you attached at post #45???

Regards:)

[humhum]

Hi Robalocarapanda, your Mini Tesla up to what max. meters can found one coin or treasure , and can you send to we more photos from your Mini Tesla ( front,inside and back side) . ;)



Regard.

[Morgan]

really that the videos are real, the video is real, was carried out immediately after that we, I end up the surprise of finding the oscillator, we stopped and we do, we can do in the back of the videos that my daughter 16 years and one side is the wife of the ingeniro mail, was not going to make a fraud in front of my daughter ..
we were like 2 hours trying all the LRL and all the signal captured some more some less but doubt, we jump when the LRL Tesla White did not detect the signal, we at last the LRA since the end with the ionic field was strange that in days past and this was alonzo LRL tried it and gave us the last 4 beps two to the left and two right and did not give more, they finished the ionic field.

there were two strange things, first teams gave beps LRL and LRL beps without moving, you aimed the LRL bep bep bep and sounded boe.
second, the tesla did not work.

decided to locate the target with a PI and the target was not in its original place was in another and there was a cactus cut with a knife and covered with earth, it was more strange then had a white trash down the cactus, that was more rare, that's how we discovered the oscillator, and decided to present the methods, we were angry alonzo, each person traveled two hours with LRL to test and see if that day would be a good day to search the old road, which led to people and their cargoes of gold, from Mexico to Veracruz as well as the hideouts of bandits who stole around.

Hi Hugo

thanks for the phone call about your silver object found with PDK-2 in Mexico.
As i understand,the distance was 4 meters,and the depth 40 cm,thats also nice if you send a photo of find to the forum.

Gracias por la informacion sobre la descubierta de objecto de plata con el PDK-2,finalmente es encontrado algo,nos ensina la foto de objecto se es possible.

Abrazos

[Morgan]

Hi Hugo

thanks for the phone call about your silver object found with PDK-2 in Mexico.
As i understand,the distance was 4 meters,and the depth 40 cm,thats also nice if you send a photo of find to the forum.

Gracias por la informacion sobre la descubierta de objecto de plata con el PDK-2,finalmente es encontrado algo,nos ensina la foto de objecto se es possible.

Abrazos

Is very nice that in Mexico the VHF transmittions will stay until 2016,anyway when they finish ,the PDK-2 still working as LRL,but you will lose 50% of his power...thats the conclusion of my tests here.
But i´m still working in the VHF project.


Hugo´s PDK-2

18064

18065

[robalocarapanda]

yes MORGAN i go to the beach and have a 20 minutes with the pdk2, here are many people in the sand and in the water and are difficult explore the zone but have a good signal bip to the right and Bip to the left, one and again and again, lost the signal went i walk tree or four step , back and put the pdk down and delimited the area to 50cm x 50cm and make a hole aprox 40 to 45 cm i find the ring. tomorrow put the picture mi camera go to the sea in a boat i lost.

best regards

[Barbarossa]

hello morgan.ok the pdk 2 lost the 50% of the power.if there is a big treasure what will happend?

[Morgan]

hello morgan.ok the pdk 2 lost the 50% of the power.if there is a big treasure what will happend?

Hello Barbarossa

the PDK-2 works great where the VHF transmittions are present,this means the PDK receiver is using the electromagnetic waves from the TV transmitter to boost the PHENOMENON.
If no VHF waves,the PDK still locate treasures becouse the noble metals are with cosiderable amount of energy around them,enough for PDK locate them.

[Morgan]

hello morgan.ok the pdk 2 lost the 50% of the power.if there is a big treasure what will happend?

according my calculations the PDK-2 can locate one treasure 1 Kg of gold or silver at a distance of 80 meters,and the deph can be 2m or more.

If there is no VHF wave in the area ,i think 40 m is possible.

there is one report for one silver object found in Greece with PDK-2 at a distance of 30 meters,but this was when VHF was working there,now they have only UHF DIGITAL,and this ultra waves not produce efect in underground gold,they are in the 800 MHz or more,but we need in between 150 MHz and 250 MHz,those who penetrate the ground and activate the noble metals,and they start transmittion direct to PDK receiver,is like one big Two box locator...

[elhit29]

HI MORGAN,,

If we use very strong VLF transmitter with modulation peak signal and work near 100KHZ ,,, will that work???

thanks

[Morgan]

HI MORGAN,,

If we use very strong VLF transmitter with modulation peak signal and work near 100KHZ ,,, will that work???

thanks

I think not,becouse there are RF transmittions here who go to 108 MHz,and they are useless.

[LRLMAN]

I think not,becouse there are RF transmittions here who go to 108 MHz,and they are useless.

Hello Morgan, if I use a Radiocontrol transmitter to 27 mhz to activate the phenomenon, do you think the PDK1 can detect?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS RADIO TRANSMISSION AND VHF?

Regards.
Saludos.

LRLMAN.

[Morgan]

Hello Morgan, if I use a Radiocontrol transmitter to 27 mhz to activate the phenomenon, do you think the PDK1 can detect?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS RADIO TRANSMISSION AND VHF?

Regards.
Saludos.

LRLMAN.

Hi


the big VHF TV transmitters activate the PHENOMENON,this i confirm,however after this RF transmitions(old TV analogic) finish, i have build two diferent portatil VHF transmitters ,both without results...

Anyway,upgrading the LRL circuit to more power,no need RF transmitions to activate PHENOMENON

regards

[LRLMAN]

Hi


the big VHF TV transmitters activate the PHENOMENON,this i confirm,however after this RF transmitions(old TV analogic) finish, i have build two diferent portatil VHF transmitters ,both without results...

Anyway,upgrading the LRL circuit to more power,no need RF transmitions to activate PHENOMENON

regards

Morgan, how I can do upgrade my PDK1 to have more power and be able to detect the phenomenon with much certainty?

I immediately sent the information of other things I've done and more comments.

[Morgan]

Morgan, how I can do upgrade my PDK1 to have more power and be able to detect the phenomenon with much certainty?

I immediately sent the information of other things I've done and more comments.

I have the information that your PDK using the oscillator can locate the 1,5V spark at 3,00m this is even better than the results i get with my PDK-2.1,it locate the spark 2,00m

I think is not possible to upgrade your PDK,or maybe become very erratic


regards

[vali]

hi morgan
But I Spark 1.5 V shows a 4-meter circuit. I do it Video :razz: regards

[robalocarapanda]

LAST SUNDAY I LOCATE A SMALL TREASURE , THE DISTANCE IS SHORT 2 OR 3 MTS AND THE DEEP IS 53 CM THE the ground was a little damp in the air humidity was 60%, the day was sunny when the detection was at 11:24 the static was a little low, a little high protons negative ions were at 347 points the temperature was 21 degrees.....

please see the video in the youtube i have some problems with the edit of the video and the small treasure show you in another post ?????????????? jejejejjejee

http://youtu.be/mpgvOk2H5LM

[Morgan]

LAST SUNDAY I LOCATE A SMALL TREASURE , THE DISTANCE IS SHORT 2 OR 3 MTS AND THE DEEP IS 53 CM THE the ground was a little damp in the air humidity was 60%, the day was sunny when the detection was at 11:24 the static was a little low, a little high protons negative ions were at 347 points the temperature was 21 degrees.....

please see the video in the youtube i have some problems with the edit of the video and the small treasure show you in another post ?????????????? jejejejjejee

http://youtu.be/mpgvOk2H5LM

Hello

I like to see pure evidence of a LRL locating with clear signal real buried object,even is the distance is short becouse of some interference...I note this signal emit in one direction,this is normal .
As i said,the PDK-2.1 operator learn how to calibrate correctly the LRL and the results are amazing.

Hombre,no me digas que hay encontrado clavos de fierro :|

good luck

[detectoman]

robalocarapanda: english reply short. you can make, should put these video to window movie maker program, and comprim this then you put to 20 megas of heavy, comprimir then ok can the mail acept to your dowload, my english be bad apologies

robalocarpÃ*nda: tu puedes hacerlo, deberas poner tu video a comprimirlo en el programa window movie maker, deberas bajarlo alli en sus muchas opciones o recortarlo o modificarlo, o bajar cualquier tamaño por grande que sea a 20 megas de peso o menos, entonces en ese tamaño tu correo si aceptara que tu lo descargues y lo envies, no entiendo como no puedes ahora si tienes una pagina de youtube con otros videos tuyos? daselo a algun amigo que tenga el programa window movie maker o algun otro y le dices que quieres recortar y que quieres quitar saludos :)

[detectoman]

i go this sunday to ruins prospection an try my last lrl or my own invention, these have tx and rx, i note my brain confused when i use in tx mode, may be tx in determined frecuencies injuries the brain? or be affectative? or only was me suggestion? anybody have these rare impression?

yo fui este domingo a una prospeccion en ruinas y a probar mi ultimo lrl de mi propia invencion, ese tiene tramisor y receptor, yo note mi cerebro confuso cuando yo lo uso en la modalidad de trasmitir- recibir, ¿pueden ser determinadas frecuencias afecten el cerebro? y ser dañinas o solo fue sugestion mia? alguno ha tenido esas raras experiencias? o debere cambiar la configuracion de mi trasmisor de otro modo, o con diferente circuito, ¿opiniones? mi lrl capta la chispa a 1.20 mts, y con trasmisor ( estimulador ) interactuando a 1.30, aun no he probado con el jarro de monedas que tengo preenterrado por estar en lugar distante y no tengo en que ir alla, aqui hay muchas lineas de tramision y no quise enterrarlo por las interferencias

[detectoman]

morgan: may be robalocarapanda whit pd 2 of your invention, today have in hands of he, any pretty oxided automotive filter of motor, jaja.. jijij

[robalocarapanda]

the problem i have a mac and the movie maker in my computer is full i need to clean archives and edith the another part of the video.
but the little treasure was a small plate of metal with gold shower i think is a old clip for papers or a part of old horse car or horse furniture or women ornament but is not to old i send you the picture.
but i want to lift the video for more reality but my machine is stoped

best regards

[robalocarapanda]

do you can see the part of the ring the side of my hand , do not have gold is red in this part was green and clean with mi fingers and ths part green remove and now is red this parte is very important for the detection if do not have a green oxidation do not have detection.

best regards

[Morgan]

do you can see the part of the ring the side of my hand , do not have gold is red in this part was green and clean with mi fingers and ths part green remove and now is red this parte is very important for the detection if do not have a green oxidation do not have detection.

best regards

well,anyway is a nice find, what make the PDK-2.1 react is the gold plated in the copper object,this is the reason for the short distance,if the object is solid gold the distance is much biger,i have this experience.
Next time,try your others LRLs in the marca before dig the object,this way you will see wich one go more distance.

in the video i can see that you learn how to work with the PDK ;)


regards

[folharin]

I am with my new pd almost ready, this is a receiver that calibrates want it in about 60 khz. d like to ask the help of you as I do iss CALIBRATION have to build a transmitter in this range or have any appliance that generates this frequency?

[Morgan]

I am with my new pd almost ready, this is a receiver that calibrates want it in about 60 khz. d like to ask the help of you as I do iss CALIBRATION have to build a transmitter in this range or have any appliance that generates this frequency?

the object underground,if is very conductive and in good condition(no oxidation) will generate the PHENOMENON after long time buried,maybe 20 years underground...

you dont need to build transmitter VHF, as i told,i built two of this VHF and no results ,compare with the strong TV VHF.

[Morgan]

do you can see the part of the ring the side of my hand , do not have gold is red in this part was green and clean with mi fingers and ths part green remove and now is red this parte is very important for the detection if do not have a green oxidation do not have detection.

best regards

When you make the PINPOINT of this object,i see in your video the PDK-2.1 stop to give beeps when is less than 1,00m above the ground,as i told many times,the pinpoint must be made like this,becouse if you go near the ground the signal desapear vanish,the PDK circuit overload,its the same here,so the best way to pinpoint the objects is 1,00m above the ground. When you have a signal,folow direction to the point,make a mark in the ground and check if the PDK can locate the object in other directions,and check distances.


yo ja encontrado un objeto semelhante,pero tenia incrustacion de piedras,yo creo del siglo 18.

[Morgan]

When you make the PINPOINT of this object,i see in your video the PDK-2.1 stop to give beeps when is less than 1,00m above the ground,as i told many times,the pinpoint must be made like this,becouse if you go near the ground the signal desapear vanish,the PDK circuit overload,its the same here,so the best way to pinpoint the objects is 1,00m above the ground. When you have a signal,folow direction to the point,make a mark in the ground and check if the PDK can locate the object in other directions,and check distances.


yo ja encontrado un objeto semelhante,pero tenia incrustacion de piedras,yo creo del siglo 18.

here one object very similar to what i found,also with this shape.

i think your object is golden ornament for clothes. Seems very simple

more lucky next time,thanks for this nice video.

18467

[Goldmaxx]

the problem i have a mac and the movie maker in my computer is full i need to clean archives and edith the another part of the video.
but the little treasure was a small plate of metal with gold shower i think is a old clip for papers or a part of old horse car or horse furniture or women ornament but is not to old i send you the picture.
but i want to lift the video for more reality but my machine is stoped

best regards



Hello robalocarabanda

Congratulations for your very nice finding with your PDK and thanks for the interesting video.

Best regards

[robalocarapanda]

next week i want to go and another place , is a new place a old place of bandit of the revolution age in mexico 1720 to 1910 and if have another target i lift the video since first to the end

[Morgan]

next week i want to go and another place , is a new place a old place of bandit of the revolution age in mexico 1720 to 1910 and if have another target i lift the video since first to the end

If you have a target with PDK in this new place,try also the MINEORO and CRYPTON to see wich one can locate more distance.

regards

[detectoman]

waa waaa! i think kripton be sure winner :) :) and basic pd 2.2 morgan arrive last uhhh uhhhh jajaj

[Morgan]

waa waaa! i think kripton be sure winner :) :) and basic pd 2.2 morgan arrive last uhhh uhhhh jajaj

where is the PDK-2.2 ???

Robalocarapanda is using PDK-2.1

Not sure the CRYPTON will be the winner...

[detectoman]

ahh excusme morgan, i think robalocarpanda has 2.2 pd version, you version 2.1 may be 7 mts, wtb, andreas is my favorite! i see Videos of he, 30 mts detection distance, easy winner for 300 noses may be evernetis whit plastic cacharro arrive in 2 position 15 mts, and i? no participo

[WM6]

Hi detectoman,

it is easy to reach even 10 km detecting distance, if you know where things are buried.

Or, if you search at the cultural heritage area, where at every couple of cm is something to find.

Andreas LRL is old known song, named "Fake Smoke".

[Morgan]

ahh excusme morgan, i think robalocarpanda has 2.2 pd version, you version 2.1 may be 7 mts, wtb, andreas is my favorite! i see Videos of he, 30 mts detection distance, easy winner for 300 noses may be evernetis whit plastic cacharro arrive in 2 position 15 mts, and i? no participo

I heard about one horse shoe located with OBM-1 CRYPTON at amazing distance 100m !!!
is this true? maybe fake smoke...

in this competition between PDK-2.1 ,MINEORO and Crypton. If i stay desqualified ,with no medal,at least give me the iron cross reward,is fine for me

[Morgan]

I heard about one horse shoe located with OBM-1 CRYPTON at amazing distance 100m !!!
is this true? maybe fake smoke...

in this competition between PDK-2.1 ,MINEORO and Crypton. If i stay desqualified ,with no medal,at least give me the iron cross reward,is fine for me

Now there is the OBM-2 with discriminate mode.

and what news about the POCKET ?

[detectoman]

morgan brother maybe you winner for a nose, vs mineiron fg79
i quest why morgan abandon sistem tx pd sistem

[Morgan]

morgan brother maybe you winner for a nose, vs mineiron fg79
i quest why morgan abandon sistem tx pd sistem

You mean the Alonsos PD ?

becouse the PD is very critical to calibrate,and this is possible to see in the videos made by Geo when was visiting my countryto test LRLs.

the PDK is semi automatic,much more easy to use.

[Morgan]

You mean the Alonsos PD ?

becouse the PD is very critical to calibrate,and this is possible to see in the videos made by Geo when was visiting my countryto test LRLs.

the PDK is semi automatic,much more easy to use.

Hello

this message is for all LRL skeptics and LRL adepts.

our friend robalocarapanda is under atack by MINEORO,who said for him to remove the video MINEORO FRAUDE,or he will sufer the consequences for difamation ,in justice.

see the video and coments by MINEORO :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzG4n5BMYS8


lets give our suport to robalocarapanda if he need ,

I THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM NOT SATISFIED WITH MINEORO PRODUCTS, THE CLAIMS FROM MINEORO NOT CORRESPOND TO THE REALITY

LETS PUT OUR OPINION IN YOUTUBE FOR MINEORO TO SEE ROBALOCARAPANDA IS NOT ALONE !

[Qiaozhi]

Message from LRLMAN:
This equipments are detecting an Electromagnetic field in my backyard and I have found since I started increas power to these devices I found this spot on my backyard, as well check the other side of the wall to confirm that there was no energy source and confirm that there is not energi source i imagine that this spot maybe is mineral or some metal of many years buried, I detect this spot with my two PDK detecting with two PDK that i did.

[michael]

Hello

this message is for all LRL skeptics and LRL adepts.

our friend robalocarapanda is under atack by MINEORO,who said for him to remove the video MINEORO FRAUDE,or he will sufer the consequences for difamation ,in justice.

see the video and coments by MINEORO :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzG4n5BMYS8


lets give our suport to robalocarapanda if he need ,

I THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM NOT SATISFIED WITH MINEORO PRODUCTS, THE CLAIMS FROM MINEORO NOT CORRESPOND TO THE REALITY

LETS PUT OUR OPINION IN YOUTUBE FOR MINEORO TO SEE ROBALOCARAPANDA IS NOT ALONE !
Hi Morgan,
I entered there to put an opinion, but unfortunately it has been removed!!!!:frown:
Maybe your friend robalocarapanda’s been scared and did it.

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
I entered there to put an opinion, but unfortunately it has been removed!!!!:frown:
Maybe your friend robalocarapanda’s been scared and did it.

Yes, thats what happens...

[Morgan]

Yes, thats what happens...

but fortunatly we can put HERE what we think about MINEORO products,and hide transmitters to deceive the clients.

[IssamKh]

Hi Aziz,
Have you purchased any product from this company (Mineoro) like the FG90?
If anyone has a PRACTICAL experience with this locator please explain.

[Dave J.]

The manufacturers thereof know what they have and what it can and cannot do, that's why they word their advertisements in the way that they do and why they have relied on fraudulent videos to promote the product.

Read the advertisements.

Watch the videos.

Read the comments in this forum.

If having done so, you want to buy the product, you will become one more piece of evidence. How much are willing to pay to become that "one more piece of evidence"?

Before you answer, read Hung's posts and ask yourself is this is the kind of guy whose advice you would trust.

Your decision, your money, your outcome. The gods, whoever you conceive them to be, will deliver justice.

--Dave J.

[IssamKh]

Hi Dave, Thank you for the advise.
I saw everything including the videos of Hung, I think he works for Mineoro.
But to be certain I want who purchased the latest device (FG90) and did practiced it according to the conditions that it should be worked on.
Do you know anyone who realy purchase that device and operates it as it should be?
Is that also true for other LRL, that means all fake?
If not what about Notsi DDSL6 or Notsi Pistol detector?
Regards

[Dave J.]

If after reading these forums you can't come to the conclusion that LRL's are fraudulent, not even God can help you. But spending the money will teach you the lesson that God cannot, and all that will remain is the question whether you'll learn the lesson.

--Dave J.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Dave, Thank you for the advise.
I saw everything including the videos of Hung, I think he works for Mineoro.
But to be certain I want who purchased the latest device (FG90) and did practiced it according to the conditions that it should be worked on.
Do you know anyone who realy purchase that device and operates it as it should be?
Is that also true for other LRL, that means all fake?
If not what about Notsi DDSL6 or Notsi Pistol detector?
Regards
Before you decide to spend your hard-earned money on an LRL, get a copy of "Inside the METAL DETECTOR" and thoroughly read Chapter 13.
www.geotech1.com/itmd
There are also some ITMD copies, that were damaged in shipping, available on the UK eBay website at a reduced price. You'll have to be quick though, as they're disappearing fast.

[IssamKh]

Thank you Qiaozhi.
The FG90 is somewhat different from conventional metal detector, it detects ionic field as they claim. I am not convenced yet with the story of ionic field and I will NOT purchase the FG90 if it will not pass the practical test not at Mineoro factory, that's because what I am asking for who purchased and experienced the device correctly with all its terms.
Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Thank you Qiaozhi.
The FG90 is somewhat different from conventional metal detector, it detects ionic field as they claim. I am not convenced yet with the story of ionic field and I will NOT purchase the FG90 if it will not pass the practical test not at Mineoro factory, that's because what I am asking for who purchased and experienced the device correctly with all its terms.
Regards
The FG90 is well known to the members of this forum. Only Hung has a good word to say for this device, and his opinion is not an unbiased one.

[Carl-NC]

IssamKh, I own an FG80, but not an FG90. The FG80 is a fraud. I suppose it's possible that Mineoro has suddenly gone from a fraud in the FG80 to a completely legitimate working long range locator in the FG90, but I'm not too interested in paying for that lesson, as the odds aren't very good. As Dave said, read the advertisement, read the comments, and if you aren't convinced, then you probably need and deserve an education.

- Carl

[Morgan]

Hi Dave, Thank you for the advise.
I saw everything including the videos of Hung, I think he works for Mineoro.
But to be certain I want who purchased the latest device (FG90) and did practiced it according to the conditions that it should be worked on.
Do you know anyone who realy purchase that device and operates it as it should be?
Is that also true for other LRL, that means all fake?
If not what about Notsi DDSL6 or Notsi Pistol detector?
Regards

the FG90 not work as LRL, search threads about MINEORO fraud and hide transmitters to deceive the clients,its all in this forum.

[hung]

I saw everything including the videos of Hung, I think he works for Mineoro.


Humm...definitely many things need to get their facts straight here.

1 - If I worked for Mineoro, then I also work for OKM because I also say good things about their Bionic X4 device. Posting good reviews about a product does not make the user an employee. I use and own a FG90 and I have a vast experience with Mineoro detectors.
I build and use my own devices also. Each device has its particular role. I only use the best of the best. I tend to do 'rational' treasure hunting using the latest and ALWAYS new technology. I do not waste my time in inefficient approaches or devices.

2 - You are posting in a skeptic forum, created by a skeptic, 'administrated' by a skeptic and populated by skeptics. What these naive and innocent people have in common?
They have never done treasure hunting in their life. They are armchair hunters who eyeball every device and think they know if it works.
Do any of these kids own a FG90? No. None.

dave j, a.k.a. wharf, a.k.a toto, and his many aliases, infest TNET forum with his idiot posts and works for a metal detector company which I don't even bother to post the name because no difference from a regular floor polisher company anyway. He is so proud to be an employee at this floor polishing company that he is afraid of posting his real name. His silly and nonsense posts over TNET have become such a hillbilly that even Art, who usually answer each and every post of others, is not bothering anymore with little dave or toto or wharf or whoever he wishes to be called.
Every new long range device is a fraud for little dave because becomes a serious threat to the floor polishers that his company manufactures and that he calls 'metal detectos'.

carlie 'nc' moreland earned some attention from MD forums up until mid of last decade with his big 'challenge' regarding LRLs in his own forum. A self proclaimed skeptic against LRLs, still runs a forum for ... LRLs! So if you can add 2+2, you will certainly come to the conclusion that either he plays the idiot or thinks the people who take him seriously are all idiots.
Like our little dave, he went on and got a job also at a floor..err..'metal detector' manufacturer.
Just after this, his company was sued by Minelab for having stolen their industrial secrets.

So, these guys are 'authorities' to talk about fraud indeed! :lol:


3 - Someone above posted the information that transmitters were 'planted' on the purpose to fool customers who buy Mineoro devices. This information is FALSE.
Burying small transmitters is a procedure sometimes used by Alonso to enhance the detection signal of small gold objects buried which might present markedly weak signals due either to insufficient weather and climate conditions or local deficiencies in the reception signal.
A simple two box transmitter was once used by my team member to enhance and focus the detection of a lovely thick gold ring picked by the early PDC205.

IssamKh, the FG90 is a natural evolution of prior Mineoro detectors and I like it very much. Tough as I said, I build and use my own devices which I consider technologically superior. One of the aspects of doing 'rational treasure hunting' for instance is getting all the devices react to a target. Each one confirming the other.

I have a suggestion for you. Since carlie-nc is a good honest man, and since the poor guy has dozens of LRLs that he could never make to work, ask him if you could borrow his FG80. Then use it for some time. I could even help you with instructions by email.
This way you would have your own experience with it. If you happen to like the device, provided you trully use it in treasure hunting, you would like the FG90 even more. If not, then you would have enough data to no buy the FG90. Simply as that and move on.
A particular tool has to serve the user, otherwise he will use another tool.

Finally, I congratulate you for being intelligent enough to see that using long range devices are the ONLY way to go in treasure hunting. Don't be a fool to use outdated and crap technology or regular 'metal detectors' that are only beach comber devices for kids to have a good time.

PS. I will be deleting all my private messages so that the dozens of forum member messages I received can be finally sent to me after months of my box being full.

PS2. One good thing about this thread is that it made me remember of one thing my friend engineer at Mineoro told me about a couple of months ago and I had completely forgotten.
During the end of last year and up to mid of this year, Mineoro sales to Europe and USA increased by 30 to 40%. So, if this forum reaches at best about 2 to 3% of treasure hunters among the several MD enthusiasts only, which I doubt, since treasure hunters simply do not have the time to type all day long, then all the negative propaganda here might even have helped the sales.
If I were Mineoro I would thank geoskepthic for their contribution, but I think this would be null. When Damasio was alive he was probably the only one at Mineoro who knew the existence of this forum. Now folks there don't even know about the existence of you guys.

Time to go. Yall have a nice week folks.

[Dave J.]

I don't suppose the moderator will object to a link to "the other LRL forum".......

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/long-range-locators/149978-there-long-range-locator-capable.html page 20

Begin with Hung's post #392, it'll be deja vu all over again.

The evidence of Mineoro's fraud is right there on their website. Read the advertisement!

If the manufacturer themselves regard the product as fraudulent, why would anyone else insist otherwise?

--Dave J.

[Mike(Mont)]

I won't disagree with much of what Hung posts, but when he mentions aRT it really discredits everything he said. Too bad he can't go back and delete that part. That guy reminds me of the girl who was abducted and would not even acknowledge her own name when she was rescued. That calculator thingy he pushes is so bogus you can't take the stink off it. :nono:

[Dave J.]

Mike, you aren't disagreeing with nearly enough. Go to the Mineoro websites and read the advertisements!

If just for once you could get your story straight, you'd probably discover friends you didn't even know you had.

--Dave J.

[Mike(Mont)]

It's true I have no experience with Mineoro. Dell said they work but not any better than his MFD equipment so the Mineoro price is highly inflated with little or no advantage. I start to wonder who this Hung is. His post claiming he only uses the best when he, too, has been pushing the calculator thing and acting like aRT is some authority LOL . Just like every other skeptic that guy does not even know what an LRL is. Something DEFINITELY does not add up.