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[mesy64]

hi to all
I need a metal frequency table?
I need gold and silver metals frequencies that are emitted from the Earth??
These frequencies are of the type vlf?
please help me?

[WM6]

hi to all
I need a metal frequency table?
I need gold and silver metals frequencies that are emitted from the Earth??
These frequencies are of the type vlf?
please help me?

Hi mesy,

those metals emit Em spectrum frequencies in liquid form only. Not in cold state.

So you need nuclear bomb first to melt it in proper form.

[Fred]

Hi mesy,

those metals emit Em spectrum frequencies in liquid form only. Not in cold state.
So you need nuclear bomb first to melt it in proper form.

Do you claim you can detect gold plasma meters away ? Prove it, you **** f*** *iar
and show me your recoveries.

[goldfinder]

hi to all
I need a metal frequency table?
I need gold and silver metals frequencies that are emitted from the Earth??
These frequencies are of the type vlf?
please help me?

Try 50 Khz for Au and 86 Khz for Ag. These are some of the dowsers most common freqs for these metals.

Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

Try 50 Khz for Au and 86 Khz for Ag. These are some of the dowsers most common freqs for these metals.

Goldfinder
Those frequencies are incorrect. They are 50Hz for Europe and 60Hz for the U.S.A.
You can easily prove this by sticking a screwdriver into a mains outlet and touching the metal part with your finger. I guarantee you will see flashes of gold. Try it - you might even get to like it. :stars:

[WM6]

Do you claim you can detect gold plasma meters away ? Prove it, you **** f*** *iar
and show me your recoveries.

No problem Fred, give me a nuclear bomb.

[mesy64]

is gold 5k and silver 8.7kkh???
is correct??

[Zocky-Zocky]

You can easily prove this by sticking a screwdriver into a mains outlet and touching the metal part with your finger. I guarantee you will see flashes of gold. Try it - you might even get to like it. :stars:[/quote]

[Zocky-Zocky]

You can easily prove this by sticking a screwdriver into a mains outlet and touching the metal part with your finger. I guarantee you will see flashes of gold. Try it - you might even get to like it. :stars:

Hi Qiaozhi!
... Can the strength of current to be higher than those in the network?
... And, if you need the screwdriver to be made ​​of gold?
... And, do you need a screwdriver to catch solid, with a full fist?
Must ... in this case to be present and the priest, or a doctor?
... Oh, too many questions for such a simple topic.
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[goldfinder]

Those frequencies are incorrect. They are 50Hz for Europe and 60Hz for the U.S.A.
You can easily prove this by sticking a screwdriver into a mains outlet and touching the metal part with your finger. I guarantee you will see flashes of gold. Try it - you might even get to like it. :stars:

I tried this as a little kid and your right - 60 hz USofA and hurts like hell.

But the dowsing freq I mentioned for gold is 50 Khz. slight 3 orders of magnitude difference with 50 hz! Now as a one of Carl's gurus maybe you don't realize there is a difference.:D
Goldfinder

[goldfinder]

I have seen both. The derivation using atomic weights and some other physics that I saw derived 50 Khz . However, it you are in the coat hanger ideomotor camp a bent coat hanger with any frequency or none works just as well.

For myself, I think there is something in this atomic frequency for gold or other mineral location ideas but don't know what it is. I have dowser friends that swear by this stuff but I have never seen them recover anything. So there is a disconnect between concepts they believe in and making it work. I am sensitive to various vibrations and I can pick up a mineral like gold or silver and feel different pulsations coming from the two samples. But without touching it I don't get anything.

And those who just make fun of the whole idea don't help in trying to understand what is going on. As my old German friend use to say "the sneer is the devils smile".

Our nervous systems are marvelously sensitive to subtle energies and some people are much more sensitive than others. This is a well proved physiological fact. And some are really aware of their sensitivities.

Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

I tried this as a little kid and your right - 60 hz USofA and hurts like hell.

But the dowsing freq I mentioned for gold is 50 Khz. slight 3 orders of magnitude difference with 50 hz! Now as a one of Carl's gurus maybe you don't realize there is a difference.:D
Goldfinder
Shocking ... isn't it? :rotfl

[Fred]

No problem Fred, give me a nuclear bomb.
Here you go WM6, it´sfor you, but hurry up i am not going to hold it for long...

17345

You can easily prove this by sticking a screwdriver into a mains outlet and touching the metal part with your finger. I guarantee you will see flashes of gold. Try it - you might even get to like it. :stars:
Hello mister Q, this is Fred´s wife writing.
He did what you said, now he´s not moving at all anymore, i am happy, no more wires, toasted components smell or transistors in bed, just wanted to give you a big thank you!

[J_Player]

Here you go WM6, it´sfor you, but hurry up i am not going to hold it for long...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17345&d=1320274872


Hello mister Q, this is Fred´s wife writing.
He did what you said, now he´s not moving at all anymore, i am happy, no more wires, toasted components smell or transistors in bed, just wanted to give you a big thank you!

Hi Fred,
Excellent nuclear bomb.
It looks like maybe better than a nuclear bomb... maybe a star.
Did you find it in the light socket?
Question... Is this 50 Hz or 60 Hz star?
Maybe Fred don't answer any more.

Ok Fred's wife...
Did Fred stop moving after putting his finger in the socket to recover a star?
Or did he stop moving after massive gold ion migration?
Just wondering.

p.s. -- I saw your beautiful red hat and evening gown in Fred's other post.
but no gold rings on your fingers.... :shocked:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122238&postcount=44

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14196&d=1294362421

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Fred]

Hi Fred,
Excellent nuclear bomb.
It looks like maybe better than a nuclear bomb... maybe a star.
Did you find it in the light socket?
Question... Is this 50 Hz or 60 Hz star?
Maybe Fred don't answer any more.

Ok Fred's wife...
I saw the beautiful rings on your fingers in other post.
Did Fred stop moving after putting finger in socket to recover star?
Or did he stop moving after massive gold ion migration?
Just wondering.

Best wishes,
J_P
Hello dear Player, J ...
you are so smart ! It IS a star...Like you! A nuclear reactor!
Fred didn´t like gold, and said rings made interferences when tuning his LRL´s...In fact we have no gold at all in the house because of interference, he found plenty of gold everywhere but never bring it at home for this reason, he preferred to let it into the ground where he knows his LRL will find it ...
So it must be another hands that you have seen with gold rings ??!! ... :cry:

[J_Player]

Hello dear Player, J ...
you are so smart ! It IS a star...Like you! A nuclear reactor!
Fred didn´t like gold, and said rings made interferences when tuning his LRL´s...In fact we have no gold at all in the house because of interference, he found plenty of gold everywhere but never bring it at home for this reason, he preferred to let it into the ground where he knows his LRL will find it ...
So it must be another hands that you have seen with gold rings ??!! ... :cry:
Maybe I a saw ring on the hand from wife of Dr. hung? :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Maybe I a saw ring on the hand from wife of Dr. hung? :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

That would explain why his lrl´s beeps a lot and mine don´t ....

[MFC]

Hello Mesy64 I am Maikel from Cuba, I had saw your ask about a table for Frequencies for VLF metal detectors, well this can vary a lot.

Example VLF detectors are aprox 6 -- 8 KHZ (Very low frequency VLF), these detectors are basically a trasmit and a receiver circuit with ability to ground balance and discimination.

The Pulse Induction metal detectors (PI) are working more low freq *** from 100 HZ to 1000 HZ (1KHZ), they are better in ground because lo lower frequencies penetrate more deep in ground.

Actually don't exist a table with these datas because between one and other menufacturer this can vary.

**Important, the response of gold and silver to determinate frequency is not exact, because somebodies say that a hight frequency is better for gold and silver that a lower frequency, I think this is not certainly true because the PI detectors work in more low frequencies that the VLF and however the PI detect the gold more Deep than a VLF machine. If you see carefully you will see the VLF is more hight freq than a PI. So you may be say why?

Well the PI detector have an specific feature that a VLF don't have and is the heavy Magnetic Field emmited trought the search coil, is a brutal power of emit voltage wave compared with a more poor emition of a VLF detector. This hit the gold or silver object with more energy and more Deep and generates too a stronger Eddy Current more easy to detect for the electronic of the PI machine.

If you want to have a Good PI machine you must get a short delay timefor receiving, a hight Q factor and low capacitance coil as possible, Good receiver calibration and sensibity and work between 100 HZ and 1000 HZ depending of the mineralization of the soil. I believe that Deepers 8AT is perfect PI machine and easy to make.

good look

Maikel

[Fred]

Hi MFC,
This is the remote sensing forum, and here in this special and somewhat magical world, when someone asks for a metal frequency is because they believe underground metals transmits on their own a signature signal on a (magical) frequency that you just have to receive to know where is buried the metal.
I think everything can happen in the Rs forum.I guess this is why i am here too...

[Qiaozhi]

Hi MFC,
This is the remote sensing forum, and here in this special and somewhat magical world, when someone asks for a metal frequency is because they believe underground metals transmits on their own a signature signal on a (magical) frequency that you just have to receive to know where is buried the metal.
I think everything can happen in the Rs forum.I guess this is why i am here too...
I see you've recovered from the gold-frequency experiment.

Did you have any revelations during your near-death experience, such as a vision of a complete working LRL schematic?

[Fred]

I see you've recovered from the gold-frequency experiment.

Sure , mouth to mouth reanimation and here i am.

Did you have any revelations during your near-death experience, such as a vision of a complete working LRL schematic?

All LRL´s are working Qiaozhi, this is a pleonasm :p
I did have revelations and your gold-frequency experiment was really useful: the right schematic doesn´t seem to belong to the world of simple mortals.
I´m thinking about selling the schematic (blurry as i only was able to see it for a short time) for 19999,99 £ (just for you), you will have already noticed that for such rare near-heaven schematics is is quite a bargain.Of course some components are concealed in black empty-filled cylinders, so difficult to copy...
If you are interested just let me know and i will register under a new name.

regards,
Fred.

[Qiaozhi]

I´m thinking about selling the schematic (blurry as i only was able to see it for a short time) for 19999,99 £ (just for you), you will have already noticed that for such rare near-heaven schematics is is quite a bargain.
That is too expensive for a blurry schematic with some parts hidden by epoxy. :money
I hope you're not turning into a money grabbing scammer. :frown:

Did you do the experiment with 60Hz mains voltage? I've heard that 50Hz can give better results. Maybe you would like to try again? :stars:
:rotfl

[mesy64]

Dear friends, you are a recipient of vlf waves emitted by the gold received in space ?
What is the frequency of radio waves received??
please help me

[J_Player]

Sure , mouth to mouth reanimation and here i am.



All LRL´s are working Qiaozhi, this is a pleonasm :p
I did have revelations and your gold-frequency experiment was really useful: the right schematic doesn´t seem to belong to the world of simple mortals.
I´m thinking about selling the schematic (blurry as i only was able to see it for a short time) for 19999,99 £ (just for you), you will have already noticed that for such rare near-heaven schematics is is quite a bargain.Of course some components are concealed in black empty-filled cylinders, so difficult to copy...
If you are interested just let me know and i will register under a new name.

regards,
Fred.


Originally posted by Qiaozhi
That is too expensive for a blurry schematic with some parts hidden by epoxy. :money
I hope you're not turning into a money grabbing scammer. :frown:

Did you do the experiment with 60Hz mains voltage? I've heard that 50Hz can give better results. Maybe you would like to try again? :stars:
:rotfl


Originally posted by mesy64
What is the frequency of radio waves received??
Everybody knows the frequency doesn't matter with a broadband noise locator.
It is the voltage that makes the difference. :razz:

The 110v light sockets in the USA and Australia make it difficult to reach a higher state of consciousness to achieve the revelations of LRL.
Reports of both 50 Hz and 60Hz electrocutions from around the world prove nobody discovered the secret LRL revelations at 110v.
It becomes apparent that Fred inadvertently noticed a star in his 220v light socket, along with other things that are found in distant galaxies.
When he reached into this 220v socket he was readily launched past nirvana, most likely through a worm hole to deep space of revelations.

These revelations are certainly worth 19999,99 £.
But since we have discovered the frequency is not important, the remaining revelation is easy to determine by examining the LRLs that have been reverse engineered.
Have you ever wondered why epoxies were poured into empty cavities?

The epoxy is the secret !!!
There you have it.
Of course, there are millions of epoxy formulas, and only a very few will work to locate treasures at long distance.
The secret epoxy has an extract of the substance which gold DNA produces to fight oxidation.
Your broadband receiver will locate only when the exact balance of this substance is mixed in the epoxy.
But, the most important question...
Where can you find this long range epoxy?
The answer is also specified in the 220v revelations.

But the answers don't come cheap.
19999,99 £ is a small price to pay for the secret "dead socket scrolls"
A sample of what you get for your 19999,99 £:
http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13843
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2794&stc=1&d=1188056946

... and there's a lot more where that came from.... :D


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

;)The 110v light sockets in the USA and Australia make it difficult to reach a higher state of consciousness to achieve the revelations of LRL.
I think you meant to say unconsciousness.
If no success can be found with 240V, we could always try a 3-phase supply.

However, joking aside ... I don't think mesy64 is understanding this sarcasm. So we should make it clear that we do not believe there are any frequencies that would be useful for his purposes. The whole idea is complete nonsense, and is based on false pseudo-science, whether it is 50kHz, 50Hz, 123456Hz (or who cares), as all of these will give the same effect ... nothing.

[J_Player]

;)
I think you meant to say unconsciousness.
If no success can be found with 240V, we could always try a 3-phase supply.

However, joking aside ... I don't think mesy64 is understanding this sarcasm. So we should make it clear that we do not believe there are any frequencies that would be useful for his purposes. The whole idea is complete nonsense, and is based on false pseudo-science, whether it is 50kHz, 50Hz, 123456Hz (or who cares), as all of these will give the same effect ... nothing.Exactly correct...
Of course, you must be careful to make the correct choice... delta or star?
It is more tricky than Alice in wonderland choosing which door.
But we got a hint from Fred's post which was confirmed by his wife... :good

Seriously there is no treasure frequency.
If a way to locate gold at long distance was explained in detail in this forum, It would not have any thing to do with a frequency.
I know because it has already been done.


Best wishes,
J_P

[1966]

hi to all
I need a metal frequency table?
I need gold and silver metals frequencies that are emitted from the Earth??
These frequencies are of the type vlf?
please help me?
gold-5.0-5.6 kHz silver-8.7-8.9 kHz copper-11.7 kHz bronze-11.3 kHz iron-17.0-17.8 kHz lead-4.5 kHz aluminum-7.0 kHz

[wam]

OK, there is some think like gold frequency and LRL recognized by science but it is far away from what LRL enthusiasts or OKM or other fantasy, hobby or businesses do. (Just keep doing It for fun and all will be OK, I support You).
Now top secret The "GOLD FREQUENCY" is about 138.34 THz ( wave 2.167 um).
Ref. http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA12286.pdf
Never give up.
Regards,

[J_Player]

OK, there is some think like gold frequency and LRL recognized by science but it is far away from what LRL enthusiasts or OKM or other fantasy, hobby or businesses do. (Just keep doing It for fun and all will be OK, I support You).
Now top secret The "GOLD FREQUENCY" is about 138.34 THz ( wave 2.167 um).
Ref. http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA12286.pdf
Never give up.
Regards,cool...
I almost detected it long range, but I can't quite see that color.
I only see the yellow and red stuff -- too hard to see from long distance.
Maybe with my special filtered NIR LRL camera.... :rolleyes:
Thanks for the tip. :good

Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

Hi, I propose to use above location to test any alternative LRLs. (and classic MD as well).
Regards,

[J_Player]

Hi, I propose to use above location to test any alternative LRLs. (and classic MD as well).
Regards,
Ummm...
One problem with this new alternative:

When I read the article I see they discovered a difference in absorbance of specific wavelengths for different kinds of soil.
The absorbance frequencies they are measuring are basically light, into the NIR range which our eyes are not capable of seeing.
In other words, when the surface of the ground absorbs a specific wavelength of light, it reflects a color which happens to be beyond our ability to see.

As an example, the red color which we can see on the photo below of the Australian soil is caused because the soil is absorbing a specific light frequency which is removed from the reflected light.
So we see seen it as red-tinted because the reflected light is weighted in the red frequency after the ground absorbs some higher frequencies than red.
This is exactly what they are talking about in their article, except for colors that are slightly out of our seeing range.
They are saying they discovered that they can see some new colors for surface soil and rocks that we can't see with our eyes alone, by using NIR camera gear.
So they are seeing these NIR colors which are invisible until they use a camera that can see into the NIR range.
Then they these NIR colors help identify certain rocks and soil material.

But the problem is what they are looking at surface colors of different rocks and soil on the ground.
Their discovery is that when there are specific rock formations at the surface, these rock formations will have different reflectance NIR colors.
And these colors of rock formations will tell what kind of rock formations are photographed so we can look for the rock outcrop types that are known to be associated with ore deposits.
They are talking about the color of the soil and rocks on the surface of the ground.
Not about a color that is caused by buried gold, or buried ores or metal things.

What they are saying they discovered is they can use special cameras to extend the range of colors they can see to help identify rock formations.
So when they look at the picture below, they see a few more colors than the simple red tint on the ground when certain kinds of rocks are present on the surface.
Then they know it is likely they might find the ores that are usually found in those kinds of rock formations if they see them in the picture.
Somehow this does not seem to be related to finding buried treasure.
It seems more useful for mining exploration.

Best wishes, J_P

http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA12286.pdf

[wam]

I need gold and silver metals frequencies that are emitted from the Earth??

I can not think about a metal generating EM frequency field and a reason why unless we consider the electrons orbiting atom of gold and this will produce EM field with some unique frequency. Sensing this remotely will be a kind of fantasy.
The other part of theory is that all metals at higher temperature will glow producing light and it means spectrum of EM frequencies. Analyzing this light we can say what kind of metal is it. So, we can say what Sun is made of remotely. Base on this, in theory metal will produce this light in any temperature but if not very hot the intensity of the light is so small that it is not measurable. The next factor is propagation over other matter of this slow intensity.
So remotely speaking it is realistic to consider frequencies absorb or reflected by gold as a "gold frequencies".

[1966]

gold-5.0-5.6 kHz silver-8.7-8.9 kHz copper-11.7 kHz bronze-11.3 kHz iron-17.0-17.8 kHz lead-4.5 kHz aluminum-7.0 kHz
Това са честоти със които ако бъде облъчен съответния метал , то той влиза в резонанс и започва да излъчва съответните йони

[wam]

Това са честоти със които ако бъде облъчен съответния метал , то той влиза в резонанс и започва да излъчва съответните йони

Can You make a link to some publication how above numbers have been worked out - any published research report etc. please. Did any one described the procedure how to measure it or verify so it can be confirmed each time by all ?

[Qiaozhi]

Това са честоти със които ако бъде облъчен съответния метал , то той влиза в резонанс и започва да излъчва съответните йони
Please make your posts in English.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10526
... or provide an English translation.

[goldfinder]

I tried several greek to english translators and none worked. Anyone have the translation.
Goldfinder

[WM6]

I tried several greek to english translators and none worked. Anyone have the translation.
Goldfinder

You cannot translate from Bulgarian with Greek-English translator.

[J_Player]

I tried several greek to english translators and none worked. Anyone have the translation.
GoldfinderThis is bulgarian language.
It means:
gold-5.0-5.6 kHz silver-8.7-8.9 kHz copper-11.7 kHz bronze-11.3 kHz iron-17.0-17.8 kHz lead-4.5 kHz aluminum-7.0 kHz
These are the frequencies with which, if the metal is irradiated, it shall enter into resonance and begins to emit the corresponding ions

There is no explanation given or information to show some publication that explains how above numbers have been worked out.


Best wishes,
J_P

[goldfinder]

This is bulgarian language.
It means:
gold-5.0-5.6 kHz silver-8.7-8.9 kHz copper-11.7 kHz bronze-11.3 kHz iron-17.0-17.8 kHz lead-4.5 kHz aluminum-7.0 kHz
These are the frequencies with which, if the metal is irradiated, it shall enter into resonance and begins to emit the corresponding ions

There is no explanation given or information to show some publication that explains how above numbers have been worked out.


Best wishes,
J_P

JP
Thanks much. Sort of hard when one doesn't have the right language.

I have been following this thread and the whole topic has been a source is wonder for me for many years. I tried lots of these various frequencies and the only thing I ever found that was consistent was rust iron when looking for gold but no Au.:(

Being an experimentalist and willing to try something like this was an education. What is amazing to me is that there are so many companies selling very expensive signal generators, as that is all they are, and so many willing to buy this stuff. If someone is going to try this get a pair of dowsing rods off eBay for $20 and an inexpensive signal generator for less than $150 and test it out. Save lots of money this way. the coat hanger idea is fine but it doesn't give the user enough tactile psychological feedback even though it does the same thing.
Goldfinder

[J_Player]

JP
Thanks much. Sort of hard when one doesn't have the right language.

I have been following this thread and the whole topic has been a source is wonder for me for many years. I tried lots of these various frequencies and the only thing I ever found that was consistent was rust iron when looking for gold but no Au.:(

Being an experimentalist and willing to try something like this was an education. What is amazing to me is that there are so many companies selling very expensive signal generators, as that is all they are, and so many willing to buy this stuff. If someone is going to try this get a pair of dowsing rods off eBay for $20 and an inexpensive signal generator for less than $150 and test it out. Save lots of money this way. the coat hanger idea is fine but it doesn't give the user enough tactile psychological feedback even though it does the same thing.
GoldfinderWell, yes.
I think it can cost less than that.
If I believed I could find things with dowsing rods and a signal generator, then I would buy some real brass welding rods and some copper pipe and caps for handles.
And I would buy a 7555 timer and solder it to a breadboard with a few resistors and capacitors, then stick it on the side of a 9v battery for my signal generator.
I could make it extra fancy by adding a switch that would switch between several different frequencies, or even a pot that I could switch on for infinite variation of frequencies.
The whole mess would cost less than $15 USD.
Then I could have hours of fun looking for treasures at any frequency that people tell me is the secret treasure frequency.

From what I saw in Carl's report of the VR-800, this is exactly what they are selling for $1995. http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/vr800/index.dat

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Well, yes.
I think it can cost less than that.
If I believed I could find things with dowsing rods and a signal generator, then I would buy some real brass welding rods and some copper pipe and caps for handles.
And I would buy a 7555 timer and solder it to a breadboard with a few resistors and capacitors, then stick it on the side of a 9v battery for my signal generator.
I could make it extra fancy by adding a switch that would switch between several different frequencies, or even a pot that I could switch on for infinite variation of frequencies.
The whole mess would cost less than $15 USD.
Then I could have hours of fun looking for treasures at any frequency that people tell me is the secret treasure frequency.

From what I saw in Carl's report of the VR-800, this is exactly what they are selling for $1995. http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/vr800/index.dat

Best wishes,
J_P

Not so simple!!!!
At least the generator must have the ability to give few "ma" of signal to the ground

Regards

[J_Player]

Not so simple!!!!
At least the generator must have the ability to give few "ma" of signal to the ground

RegardsHi Geo,
The Intersil 7555 is good for at least 7ma at 9volts. But can be much more depending on which manufacturer version of 7555 is used.
If I had a problem where I needed a lot more ma to ground than my 7555 can deliver, then I could easily add a transistor to deliver more power.
No need to order a VR-800 for $1995 USD.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
The Intersil 7555 is good for at least 7ma at 9volts. But can be much more depending on which manufacturer version of 7555 is used.
If I had a problem where I needed a lot more ma to ground than my 7555 can deliver, then I could easily add a transistor to deliver more power.
No need to order a VR-800 for $1995 USD.


Best wishes,
J_P


I never talked about VR-800 or similar.
I said that if you need to get any signal from buried objects you need current flow

Regards:)

[J_Player]

I never talked about VR-800 or similar.
I said that if you need to get any signal from buried objects you need current flow

Regards:)Hi Geo,
That is not what you said.
You said "At least the generator must have the ability to give few "ma" of signal to the ground"
How much current do you suggest?

Is the 7 ma sink from the ICM7555 enough?
Or should I use an LMC555 that is tested to be good from -10ma to +50ma?
Maybe a bipolar LM555 for 200 ma?
Or should I add a 3055 with driver in switch-mode?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

And flow thru what?

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
That is not what you said.
You said "At least the generator must have the ability to give few "ma" of signal to the ground"
How much current do you suggest?

Is the 7 ma sink from the ICM7555 enough?
Or should I use an LMC555 that is tested to be good from -10ma to +50ma?
Maybe a bipolar LM555 for 200 ma?
Or should I add a 3055 with driver in switch-mode?


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I said the same but you play with the words:lol:
Any way... there is not any problem with you:).
7ma is near the limit, 20 or 30 ma is better. But remember that it is not easy to make a current flow with the 7555 and low voltage. The resistance of the ground is not low....

Regards:)

[Geo]

And flow thru what?

The flow is between generator output and gnd VIA the ground. You must connect the output of generator to the ground via 2 nails....

[J_Player]

The flow is between generator output and gnd VIA the ground. You must connect the output of generator to the ground via 2 nails....

I said the same but you play with the words:lol:
Hi Geo,

I don't play with words. I looked at your exact words.
You did not talk about getting a signal from buried objects.
You only talked about the ability of a signal generator to deliver a few ma of signal to the ground.
Milliamps signal from a signal generator is not the same thing as signal from buried objects even if you want me to think they are the same.

But it does not matter because the question has been answered.

If more current flow is better, then there is better equipment to use than a battery power oscillator.
The geologists who use induced polarization often put more than 1000 volts on their ground probes and they get a reaction from metals under the ground.
Their measurements of the metals under the ground can be checked and repeated by other testers who find the same exact reading which they find.
I believe they do not use a 9v battery for their induced polarization generator.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
Of course the 9V or 12V suply is not the best solution. Maybe a tention more than 70V to be OK.

Regards

[Fred]

The flow is between generator output and gnd VIA the ground. You must connect the output of generator to the ground via 2 nails....

I see, but i think JP was talking about Lrods and a 555 glued to a 9v battery, so this is something different.
Of course producing HV is easy, and you easily make flow many mA between nails .This is not really what i call a portable LRL...
But what about a 1kv/m natural earth gradient ? :D

[J_Player]

I see, but i think JP was talking about Lrods and a 555 glued to a 9v battery, so this is something different.
Of course producing HV is easy, and you easily make flow many mA between nails .This is not really what i call a portable LRL...
But what about a 1kv/m natural earth gradient ? :DHi Fred,
Of course this is what we are talking about.
We have been talking about the VR-800 style L-rod with a 555 frequency generator since I answered goldfinder's post #39 where he complained about the high cost of commercial MFD LRLs.
Geo knows this very well because he can read posts before he makes replies.
If Geo is certain that 70 volts is needed, then we have discovered the reason why the VR-800 failed to help Dell Winders find the hidden coins so he could win the Randi prize.
Maybe I should use eight 9v batteries glued together in series.
I think I can plug the positive and negative connectors together without using glue.
Then I will have the needed voltage without making a special power supply. :cool:
But this is too much voltage for my 3055 transistors.
Maybe I need to switch to 100v SCRs or triodes for releasing this voltage into the ground at the different treasure frequencies.
Rubber gloves could be useful. :rolleyes:


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[wam]

Hi, so what do You measure (detect) - the resistance (impedance) of the ground between nails? You Can buy a Mega meter to do it and measure current. I have in my lab Mega meter, it can do up to 5 KV with DC/AC with adjustable frequency and it display 00.00 ma - is it suitable to sense metal? What should happened if frequency is OK and metal is OK - it will be parallel resonance or series resonance? Can You make some electric drawing to make model of electric theory going on under ground for this connection? Do You expect that "ions" will jump out of gold above ground? I strongly recommend to do some homework about AU+ ions and quantum physics before any one start talking ions again.
Regards,

[J_Player]

Hi, so what do You measure (detect) - the resistance (impedance) of the ground between nails? You Can buy a Mega meter to do it and measure current. I have in my lab Mega meter, it can do up to 5 KV with DC/AC with adjustable frequency and it display 00.00 ma - is it suitable to sense metal? What should happened if frequency is OK and metal is OK - it will be parallel resonance or series resonance? Can You make some electric drawing to make model of electric theory going on under ground for this connection? Do You expect that "ions" will jump out of gold above ground? I strongly recommend to do some homework about AU+ ions and quantum physics before any one start talking ions again.
Regards,
Hi Wam,
The equipment we are talking about is called the VR-800 "molecular frequency discriminator" sold for $1995 US. See below:

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/reports/vr800/vr800_1.jpg

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/reports/vr800/vr800_2.jpg

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/reports/vr800/vr800_3.jpg

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/reports/vr800/vr800_6.gif

The two large plastic pipes with vertical brass rods are pushed into the ground.
Then the wires are connected to the signal generator that sends out a square wave at the battery voltage from the 555 timer IC.
You can turn the knob on the front of the box to change the square wave frequency to the secret frequency for different buried metals.
In order to locate the buried metal, you hold the two small copper pipe handles in your hands and walk around the ground.
The wires connected to the pipe handles are plugged into the smaller plastic box which also has a 555 timer IC in it.
This second 555 timer is running at a different frequency than the frequency generator connected to the ground probes.

The people who sell this equipment say the long swiveling rod at the top of the handles in your hands will swing and point to where the metal is buried.
You can follow where the rods are pointing until you come to the location of the buried metal.
When you walk over the top of the buried metal, the rods will cross together.
You do not actually measure any electronic signal.
You only watch the rods swing to the direction of the buried metal.

Geo has told us this VR-800 signal generator will not work.
Geo told us that we should use much more power than this 555 timer can deliver.
So we need to change the signal generator to a higher voltage like 70 volts or more.
Then we can expect the rods in our hands will swing to point to the treasure.
So don't spend $1995 US for the VR-800.
You are better to build your own signal generator with 70 volts or more.
It will cost less money too.

For me, I see no science here.
I see only some talk to say this will work to find treasure if you change it to send out more than 70 volts instead of the original battery voltage.
I see no evidence anybody ever found treasure with this equipment.
These are photos of a VR-800 that somebody gave to Carl-NC who is owner of the Geotech forums to test and to see why it does not work.
It only found treasure one time... It found $1995 US when the buyer sent money to the LRL salesman to buy it.
But it never found anything else for the owner or for Carl-NC.
I also know that Carl-NC will pay $25,000 to anybody who can pass his test to prove they can find buried metal using this equipment.
I do not see any people taking his test to win his $25,000.


Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

Thanks for clarifying, would it help if a person is walking around without shoes?
If the detecting is via neuron response and contraction system, then the better contact with ground and more electricity may improve. What is recommended distance between nails?
What about puling small trolley behind with battery and HV generator connected to the wheals with nails? Trying this is still better than sitting in front TV - no matter how stupid is the idea.
If it works every time at least for one person on this planet He will be a celebrity and reworded with Nobel price for proving new field in science.
I think it is more about looking for THE ONE individual with special powers among all of us. It requires to find only one "chosen" to be recognized as science, when he will be detected all universities will pay big $ to be able to study him.
Regards,

[Geo]

I see, but i think JP was talking about Lrods and a 555 glued to a 9v battery, so this is something different.
Of course producing HV is easy, and you easily make flow many mA between nails .This is not really what i call a portable LRL...
But what about a 1kv/m natural earth gradient ? :D

No big difference. Very simple with air emition only (with a 555) the detected field is small.
Sorry but i don't understand :angry: what you mean "natural earth gradient "

Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi Fred,
Of course this is what we are talking about.
We have been talking about the VR-800 style L-rod with a 555 frequency generator since I answered goldfinder's post #39 where he complained about the high cost of commercial MFD LRLs.
Geo knows this very well because he can read posts before he makes replies.
If Geo is certain that 70 volts is needed, then we have discovered the reason why the VR-800 failed to help Dell Winders find the hidden coins so he could win the Randi prize.
Maybe I should use eight 9v batteries glued together in series.
I think I can plug the positive and negative connectors together without using glue.
Then I will have the needed voltage without making a special power supply. :cool:
But this is too much voltage for my 3055 transistors.
Maybe I need to switch to 100v SCRs or triodes for releasing this voltage into the ground at the different treasure frequencies.
Rubber gloves could be useful. :rolleyes:


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
It is very easy....
A oscillator with a power transistor and a transformer. So you don't need high voltage battery. Another very good solution is to use a TDA ic.... for power amplifier.
BUT... the waveform must be sine:rolleyes:

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
It is very easy....
A oscillator with a power transistor and a transformer. So you don't need high voltage battery. Another very good solution is to use a TDA ic.... for power amplifier.
BUT... the waveform must be sine:rolleyes:

Regards:)Excellent!
This solves the problem of putting a frequency through a transformer... it will come out as sine to make a perfect waveform.
But when we have over 70 volts and many milliamps, we are using some power.
And we also lose about 20% power through the transformer.
So maybe better to use a bigger battery than a single 9V.
Maybe better to use a 12 or 18 volt Lithium ion battery with 2 amp-hr capacity taken from a portable drill so battery will not run dry too soon.

Also, what should we do with the small plastic box that has 555 oscillator connected to the dowsing rod handles?

Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

[GOLDENSKULL]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

I think better way is, we use a signal generator software on our laptop and amplify the output of laptop sound card to give this signal to earth by probes or even give this signal to our LRL Handels ...
What do you think ???

[wam]

I think that PC is not usable because of HIGH noise and it will make impossible to use bio-neuro triangular detection, but original box can be less noisy if they remove all LEDs and keep one to indicate that it is ON. It can reduce praise of it - it seems that rotary switch with ionized Gold contacts is the reason for high price.
Regards,

[J_Player]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,This seems an interesting idea.
You can record all the treasure frequencies as mp3 songs.
Then name each song to the name of the treasure, like Gold.mp3, Silver.mp3, Platinum.mp3, etc.
Then you will never need to worry about the frequency drift because it is digital encoded and cannot change frequency.
But best thing is your secret frequency is safe, because most people will not know you hid it on an mp3.
If people hear your mp3 songs they will think it they are very boring songs, and they will not try to steal them.
The treasure hunter can also take the 12 v audio signal and put it to headphones to help with the treasure hunting while the high voltage is in the ground.

I wonder if 1000 volt signal is better for getting longer range detection?
Maybe we must study the earth impedance at different frequencies for good impedance matching of the 1000v signal.


Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

I will try to place mp3s on ebay. What a grate idea, no need to go to post office to make delivery.
Regards,

[Geo]

Excellent!
This solves the problem of putting a frequency through a transformer... it will come out as sine to make a perfect waveform.
But when we have over 70 volts and many milliamps, we are using some power.
And we also lose about 20% power through the transformer.
So maybe better to use a bigger battery than a single 9V.
Maybe better to use a 12 or 18 volt Lithium ion battery with 2 amp-hr capacity taken from a portable drill so battery will not run dry too soon.

Also, what should we do with the small plastic box that has 555 oscillator connected to the dowsing rod handles?

Best wishes,
J_P

I use the 14.4V lithium battery from TDI.
(Thanks to Carl:lol::lol:)
2Ah or biger is OK.
I don't use the small box that connected to Lrods....

But what happening with you????
The time to California is about 04:00 and you don't sleep. I saw this many times with you:lol::lol:

Regards

[Geo]

What about MP3 player connected to car audio amplifier with trafo on the output so with Earth as a load You can go for 1000V on the secondary side - all with 12 V battery ?
You can play from MP3 any sin signal.
Regards,

MP3 player has not power so it is better to make something from the beggining

Regards

[J_Player]

I use the 14.4V lithium battery from TDI.
(Thanks to Carl:lol::lol:)
2Ah or biger is OK.
I don't use the small box that connected to Lrods....

But what happening with you????
The time to California is about 04:00 and you don't sleep. I saw this many times with you:lol::lol:


......MP3 player has not power so it is better to make something from the beggining

RegardsTime is not 4:00, but is very late.
The reason is because much of my work is on the computer that must be completed on a schedule.
I like to work late hours because this is the time when there is there is no interruptions to stop me like I find during business hours and early evening hours.
I can do 3-4 hours and finish my scheduled work, then in the day I can work slow and stop for a break when I want without hurting the schedule.

But this does not explain how the VR-800 finds treasure. :rolleyes:
mp3 player is only the signal... the power comes from 12v car battery and transformer...
You can add extra transistor stages to send large current to transformer.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell :rolleyes::lol:

Regards

[J_Player]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell :rolleyes::lol:

RegardsDell?

He said operating conditions deteriorated affecting the reliability of the instrument making it impractical for his use in 1988.
He did not use it, he only sold it. :lol:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

No big difference. Very simple with air emition only (with a 555) the detected field is small.
Sorry but i don't understand :angry: what you mean "natural earth gradient "

Regards:)

Well, 9v "whatever signal" in the air between two rods is not going to do anything, you know that Geo.
About natural earth gradient: above the surface of the earth there is a voltage that develop, i you could measure it you would see many hundreds of volts between you feets and your head (when you stand up :) ) This is what makes thunderstorms under special conditions, judging by the size of the "spark" you can imagine how high is the voltage.
I suppose this voltage gradient could influence a lot the effects you are talking about, if you compare it to a 9v battery...

[Fred]

How works VR-800... who knows????
Maybe Dell :rolleyes::lol:

Regards

Very well for him i am sure. A 555 and e few VR´s, not even a real pcb and a screw to hold it properlyfor... $ 1995 + the "plug-ins", i am sure it works pretty well for him indeed.

[GOLDENSKULL]

Hi dear friends...

did you think if we produce a sine signal with special frequency [for example 5khz for gold]
and with a signal generator or a sound player and amplify it by one audio amplifier and send this signal to Lrod's handle, this is work for finding gold ?

[J_Player]

Hi dear friends...

did you think if we produce a sine signal with special frequency [for example 5khz for gold]
and with a signal generator or a sound player and amplify it by one audio amplifier and send this signal to Lrod's handle, this is work for finding gold ?I think no.
Some people think yes.


Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Well, 9v "whatever signal" in the air between two rods is not going to do anything, you know that Geo.
About natural earth gradient: above the surface of the earth there is a voltage that develop, i you could measure it you would see many hundreds of volts between you feets and your head (when you stand up :) ) This is what makes thunderstorms under special conditions, judging by the size of the "spark" you can imagine how high is the voltage.
I suppose this voltage gradient could influence a lot the effects you are talking about, if you compare it to a 9v battery...Hi Fred,
This atmospheric voltage can be very useful when trying to locate some anomaly in the ground that is hard to find by measuring it directly.

People who work with high voltage know it is hard to take measurements of current flow by sampling in the air for electric currents that can leak through the air between high voltage conductors. But it is much easier to use an instrument that will probe for anomalies in the voltage gradient between these conductors. We see that it is easier to map the voltage anomalies, but nearly impossible to map the current flow anomalies. I know this because I worked with high voltage conductors for a number of years.

There is one problem about the dowser feeling the atmospheric voltage, or using simple meters to measure this voltage for the purpose of surveying for where the anomalies are to be found in the voltage gradient. He will distort the atmospheric voltage by standing on the ground. A treasure hunter will have 0 volts at his head, not 200 volts, because he pushes the ground potential up to the location where his body and dowsing rod are located. See here: http://student.fizika.org/~jsisko/Knjige/Opca%20Fizika/Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics/Vol%202%20Ch%2009%20-%20Electricity%20in%20the%20Atmosphere.pdf (http://student.fizika.org/%7Ejsisko/Knjige/Opca%20Fizika/Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics/Vol%202%20Ch%2009%20-%20Electricity%20in%20the%20Atmosphere.pdf)

Also see diagram below.
The treasure hunter is very lucky that physics says he will push the ground potential up to the surface of his body.
If this was not true, then he could feel some voltage from the air the same as when he puts his finger in the light socket.

So we know that he and his dowsing rod are not detecting the atmospheric voltage.
If they detect anything at all, it is not atmospheric voltage.
Maybe something different which is influenced by anomalies in the atmospheric voltage.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi Fred,
This atmospheric voltage can be very useful when trying to locate some anomaly in the ground that is hard to find by measuring it directly.

People who work with high voltage know it is hard to take measurements of current flow by sampling in the air for electric currents that can leak through the air between high voltage conductors. But it is much easier to use an instrument that will probe for anomalies in the voltage gradient between these conductors. We see that it is easier to map the voltage anomalies, but nearly impossible to map the current flow anomalies. I know this because I worked with high voltage conductors for a number of years.

There is one problem about the dowser feeling the atmospheric voltage, or using simple meters to measure this voltage for the purpose of surveying for where the anomalies are to be found in the voltage gradient. He will distort the atmospheric voltage by standing on the ground. A treasure hunter will have 0 volts at his head, not 200 volts, because he pushes the ground potential up to the location where his body and dowsing rod are located. See here: http://student.fizika.org/~jsisko/Knjige/Opca%20Fizika/Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics/Vol%202%20Ch%2009%20-%20Electricity%20in%20the%20Atmosphere.pdf (http://student.fizika.org/%7Ejsisko/Knjige/Opca%20Fizika/Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics/Vol%202%20Ch%2009%20-%20Electricity%20in%20the%20Atmosphere.pdf)

Also see diagram below.
The treasure hunter is very lucky that physics says he will push the ground potential up to the surface of his body.
If this was not true, then he could feel some voltage from the air the same as when he puts his finger in the light socket.

So we know that he and his dowsing rod are not detecting the atmospheric voltage.
If they detect anything at all, it is not atmospheric voltage.
Maybe something different which is influenced by anomalies in the atmospheric voltage.


Best wishes,
J_P

By COMPASS ???

17501

[Morgan]

By COMPASS ???

17501

I tougth COMPASS was the brand for metal detectors not dowsing rods...

[wam]

It is all OK, go for extremes, if you hold rods in hands and the voltage between feet will increase then it can be seen that rods will start moving. When the voltage decrease the movement will be smaller. It works every time with every person (voltages may vary for each person) but it works even if the person is dead for short time. It works for animals too. Some animals are more sensitive to current than humans. May be we should focus on some bionic detector with small animal in the cage to point the direction of electrical anomalies. Let take a mouse and electrocute it frequently so it will run from direction of higher potentials etc.

[J_Player]

It is all OK, go for extremes, if you hold rods in hands and the voltage between feet will increase then it can be seen that rods will start moving. When the voltage decrease the movement will be smaller. It works every time with every person (voltages may vary for each person) but it works even if the person is dead for short time. It works for animals too. Some animals are more sensitive to current than humans. May be we should focus on some bionic detector with small animal in the cage to point the direction of electrical anomalies. Let take a mouse and electrocute it frequently so it will run from direction of higher potentials etc. Hi wam,
This is not even true.
The voltage between the feet does not change.
It is ground voltage, or 0 volts in relation to the ground you are standing on.
The only way to escape this condition is to walk under an enclosure which shields you from the atmospheric voltage in the air.
You could go inside a house, or into a car to remove yourself from the atmospheric field.
Unfortunately, dowsers do not dowse from inside a house or a car.
They dowse where they expect to dig up some treasure or drill for some water.

The atmospheric voltage of 100v/m is so large that it will draw any microamp differences throughout your body to your skin surface through the miracle of electric fields.
It will be impossible to find any difference of voltage, even in tiny amounts from different parts of your skin.
But suppose a dowser went under a shield that kept the atmospheric field away from him.
Then he could develop microamp signals across different parts of his body.
The amount of power in these microamp signals is no where near strong enough to cause a typical dowsing rod to move even in the best conditions.
The very best transducers ever invented need thousands of times more power than these microamp signals to cause a rod to move.

So what could be causing the rods to move?
Maybe some muscles?
Muscles produce enough power to cause rods to move.

Best wishes,
J_P

[wam]

Hi, rods are moving due to gravity forces. Rods are only indicating rotary movements of arms. Arms are twisting by itself so we can not see it. The principle of rods is that operator is trying to concentrate to keep it parallel but against his will arms will slightly twist (for some reasons bypassing our mind control). The longer the rods the harder to keep it parallel (the more sensitivity for arm rotation). The theory is that body parts will respond to some external condition beyond our control (for sure it is electricity, moisture, gravity). Some people are more responding some less. Response can be change by chemistry too - like alcohol or drags. This is the way to go. People able to detect underground water are with
rheumatic problems.

[J_Player]

Hi, rods are moving due to gravity forces. Rods are only indicating rotary movements of arms. Arms are twisting by itself so we can not see it. The principle of rods is that operator is trying to concentrate to keep it parallel but against his will arms will slightly twist (for some reasons bypassing our mind control). The longer the rods the harder to keep it parallel (the more sensitivity for arm rotation). The theory is that body parts will respond to some external condition beyond our control (for sure it is electricity, moisture, gravity). Some people are more responding some less. Response can be change by chemistry too - like alcohol or drags. This is the way to go. People able to detect underground water are with
rheumatic problems.Hi wam,
Yes, I have observed many times these rods detect the direction of gravity.
And I have seen good evidence that the arms are moving too.
I think you are correct.

Best wishes,
J_P

[mesy64]

Who knows from where it is marked with arrows What does it do?

[Geo]

Who knows from where it is marked with arrows What does it do?

What do you see at the side of arrows???

[mesy64]

What do you see at the side of arrows???
Black housing color written on it (compass)
????????????

[Geo]

From what i know it is "made in Greece". But they don't tell or write it:lol::lol:

[Fred]

(...) The theory is that body parts will respond to some external condition beyond our control (for sure it is electricity, moisture, gravity). (...).
I believe dowsing abilities will stop if you use a blindfold.
That would reduce drastically the "external conditions" involved :rolleyes:

[Fred]

Hi wam,
Yes, I have observed many times these rods detect the direction of gravity.
And I have seen good evidence that the arms are moving too.
I think you are correct.

Best wishes,
J_P
Amazing, puzzling science isnt´it ?
Also: I have never seen perfectly balanced L-rods for sell, and if you build them they won´t work anyway. So this must prove no electrical effects are involved, and that connecting them to $1998 signal generator is useless.

[WM6]

, this is work for finding gold ?



No doubt, if you know where gold is hidden.