OBMD-1

[Funfinder]

http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters! :D

[Qiaozhi]

http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters! :D
Where's the sound?

[Morgan]

http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters! :D

no sound...

1-extremly dificult to pinpoint

2-stay to long around the place were the target is located

3-what he found ??? is not gold...

if the price is less than 450 E,i will recomend this one to Mosha :D

[Morgan]

http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters! :D

Well,it was my intention to send for you one PDK to test in NAZI GOLD locations,but as you already will test and support one of this CRYPTON,i change my mind ;)

Hope it works as LRL too

[WM6]

Where's the sound?



No sound only prove that there is no more gold and silver in Greek. This is export model.

[Funfinder]

Well,it was my intention to send for you one PDK to test in NAZI GOLD locations,but as you already will test and support one of this CRYPTON,i change my mind ;)

Hope it works as LRL too

Hi Morgan!

No reason to get angry about me. :D
I support the whole sake of "reliable working LRL" and all who are interrested in this task are welcome.

Remember the times where I asked here what experimenting circuit would be good to start? Well, guys in this forum told me about that not working electrostatic Gold-Gun circuit! :frown:

Luckily now it is more clear that this stuff don't really work and before 1-3 years it also was not clear that anything that comes from Brazil is really working.

btw. a lot people here still don't think those PDs are really useful.

My opinion is, that this formerly Mineoro circuit is open to anyone because it is public domain since a pretty long time now and because it was not really good working (remember how many people was extremly hateful against Mineoro because of their extremly expensive and not working products!!!) and therefore anyone shall experiment with it and improve it.


And Morgan, if you don't want to give a improved working LRL to the outside world, if you wan't to keep your improvements for yourself, I have no idea what's your problem if other persons wanna create a sellable product for the benefit of everyone out of it?

btw. I have no idea if Crypton is using that Mineoro Circuit because in Greece there have been along time ago all kind of LRLs, one of a professor with beard - I can remember his video where he was location gold in his garden.

Morgan, I wanna thank you that you already have thought about me concerning the PDK and the Nazi Gold. However this whole topic is much more complicated than you may think. One location of that Gold is just 5km (or even 1km!!!) away from where I'm living and I have special information so I know how complicated this task in reality is.

I have already searched square kilometers in this region!

What I wanna say you is that without working together in this task I doubt you will have a chance finding anything, even with working PDK. Believe me. As example there are so many other objects made out of metal that your PDK will detect too, that it could take ages for you to get to the gold treasures.

PLEASE tell us what's your problem with Crypton so we can find a solution (or at least I know why you're acting so strange) and furthermore good luck in finding out what has to be done to get this circuit really reliable and usable. Because no one wants to dig 5meter deep holes just becauses the Mineoro or some other LRL beeps. :D

Morgan, you know the scientifical thinking persons of this forum really know to value your hard work, me too. But we all have to find a good way to get finally to a working result - and so far this was not possible, and if you want to keep everything for yourself do it and get lucky with it but I doubt this will help anyone here.

I have no idea what's the kind of "business" or problems you have with Mineoro, Crypton or other LRL and I don't care, but I don't wanna get involved into this because all what I want is a finally clearing of that whole LRL-issue which was VERY VERY PROBLEMATIC for the last years, and no one can deny this!

I can't see any problems at all if OBMD-1 is available and testable for everyone interrested for a good price. I think this is a general improvement for development of working LRLs at all, it's the right direction into the future, and not what Mineoro or OKM is doing with his antisocial prices and information-hiding / secrecy-warfare.


Morgan, what are your concerns about this and how would you like the whole LRL-situation to be?

[Funfinder]

Where's the sound?

afaik the sound is audible if you watch the clip with different size.
The find was an old bronze bell.

[Qiaozhi]

afaik the sound is audible if you watch the clip with different size.
The find was an old bronze bell.
There is some rustling noise at the start, and you can hear the wind, followed by someone starting a chain saw. At least, that's what it sounds like. Afterwards, some text is dsplayed ... and then nothing. Completely quiet, even at full volume.

[Morgan]

http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters! :D

I wondering what kind of deal you have with this LRL maker in Greece...

Did you know this LRL OBMD-1 maker long time ago?

Did you already give to him the SECRET projects ?

Well,it was my fault to let you belong to the RS project...

[Geo]

I wondering what kind of deal you have with this LRL maker in Greece...

Did you know this LRL OBMD-1 maker long time ago?

Did you already give to him the SECRET projects ?

Well,it was my fault to let you belong to the RS project...


There is not problem.
Manufacturer of crypton is an old RS forum member.

Regards:)

[Max]

I wondering what kind of deal you have with this LRL maker in Greece...

Did you know this LRL OBMD-1 maker long time ago?

Did you already give to him the SECRET projects ?

Well,it was my fault to let you belong to the RS project...

Did you test it ? We saw lot of funny LRLs produced in Greece but none works for real, apart as source of dirty money for the seller
:lol:

[Max]

There is not problem.
Manufacturer of crypton is an old RS forum member.

Regards:)

who ? name please
;)

[Geo]

who ? name please
;)

As write at Greek forums the manufacturer of crypton is Andreas. I have not tested it so i can't say how good or bad it is.

Regards:)

[Morgan]

Did you test it ? We saw lot of funny LRLs produced in Greece but none works for real, apart as source of dirty money for the seller
:lol:

Hi Max,nice to see you again.
Where you was all this time?

[Morgan]

There is not problem.
Manufacturer of crypton is an old RS forum member.

Regards:)

yes,i note all the Andreas videos as problems in sound.

[J_Player]

who ? name please
;)MAX....!
Welcome back...!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Didn't anyone here notice it said only locates paramagnetic material? Unless that was some kind of translation error, gold, copper, silver are all diamagnetic.

[Funfinder]

I wondering what kind of deal you have with this LRL maker in Greece...

Did you know this LRL OBMD-1 maker long time ago?

Did you already give to him the SECRET projects ?

Well,it was my fault to let you belong to the RS project...


Stop talking with me in that way like a little frustrated child! :angry:

I don't care about your RS project forum and the nothing new information there.

You are paranoid, Morgan.

I did NOT gave to anyone any SECRET projects, I even don't know what you are talking about!

But slowly YOU start to became very suspicious.

This is an open forum and guys like you, esteban and some else try to make the big show out of not really working stuff and micro fiches microscopical tiny unreadable circuit diagrams! :angry:
And this is not the spirit of an open forum! :angry:


The internet is full of free forums, just open one yourself and do what you like there but not here!

First making everyone interrested in your work and next saying "Oops, sorry, this information is not for you!" :angry:


You have forgotten to answer my friendly questions - you just wanted to start with hate against me and I will not tolerate this! :angry:

I "love" persons like you, Morgan, creating hate and trouble out of nothing. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Don't provocate me ever again in such an unfair manner and you won't say me what I have to do!

[Funfinder]

Didn't anyone here notice it said only locates paramagnetic material? Unless that was some kind of translation error, gold, copper, silver are all diamagnetic.

What? Why just say "not-magnetical"?

[Funfinder]

yes,i note all the Andreas videos as problems in sound.

And Andreas is your big enemy or what's the problem?

[Funfinder]

There is not problem.
Manufacturer of crypton is an old RS forum member.

Regards:)

Yeah, I told Morgan that there is no problem,
but it seems he sees problems where are really no problems.:)

The only problem is: not reliable working LRLs -
but if we are lucky this will change now finally.

[Funfinder]

Here you have the video with working sound:
http://www.multiupload.com/R17YRGNN3N

[Mike(Mont)]

What? Why just say "not-magnetical"?

"can detect only paramagnetic metals"

Obviously a translation error. Should say "diamagnetic". You might tell them to change that because when I read it I immediately lost interest in the video and only watched the first couple of minutes.

[J_Player]

Stop talking with me in that way like a little frustrated child! :angry:

I don't care about your RS project forum and the nothing new information there.

You are paranoid, Morgan.

I did NOT gave to anyone any SECRET projects, I even don't know what you are talking about!

But slowly YOU start to became very suspicious.

This is an open forum and guys like you, esteban and some else try to make the big show out of not really working stuff and micro fiches microscopical tiny unreadable circuit diagrams! :angry:
And this is not the spirit of an open forum! :angry:


The internet is full of free forums, just open one yourself and do what you like there but not here!

First making everyone interrested in your work and next saying "Oops, sorry, this information is not for you!" :angry:


You have forgotten to answer my friendly questions - you just wanted to start with hate against me and I will not tolerate this! :angry:

I "love" persons like you, Morgan, creating hate and trouble out of nothing. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Don't provocate me ever again in such an unfair manner and you won't say me what I have to do!
This is really stupid.
Why do you pretend Morgan is making problems for you?
You have announced that you will be introducing LRLs for commercial sale in Europe.
You say "btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors"
Then you want Morgan to feel that he is creating hate?
Are you crazy? :eek:

Morgan did no injustice against you...
You made injustice to Morgan when you show disrespect to his pistol detectors.
Why do you point your finger at Morgan after you made the aggression against him?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Calm all:disagree, there is not any problem.
From what the manufacturer wrote at a Greek forum the LRL use infrared, so it is not a clone from RS...

[Qiaozhi]

Here you have the video with working sound:
http://www.multiupload.com/R17YRGNN3N
Can anyone hear any sound from the LRL on this video?

All I get is the sound of a clock ticking and a lot of background noise. Towards the end of the video there is some quiet beeping from the metal detector, and then some guys talking in Greek.

Also, the guy digging the target was very lucky not to damage the bell with that pickaxe.

[Qiaozhi]

And ... is that an LCD on the front panel?
If so, what does it show?

[Max]

And ... is that an LCD on the front panel?
If so, what does it show?

I guess...
random numbers ?
or maybe... bunny of the month numbers...
:lol:

[J_Player]

And ... is that an LCD on the front panel?
If so, what does it show?I heard the same sounds as you reported after watching the video at three available resolutions on Youtube. Only a short bit of sound at the beginning before the field demonstration began. Looking at the bell that was taken from the hole, it appeared to be partially flattened, possibly from impact of the pickaxe. At first I thought we were seeing a metal plate with dark printing on the enclosure above the handle. But it is hard to tell in that lighting and with the video resolution if it is an LCD. It almost looks like it could have lines of text that change during video, or perhaps horizontal lines acting as horizontal bar graph.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

The friendly "warning" I gave to Max about not posting clown pictures, and being abusive, also applies to everyone else ... in this case "gibon". Your post has been removed.

Please desist from posting personal abuse ... unless you want to join ernie in the great unknown outside of Geotech.

[Geo]

The friendly "warning" I gave to Max about not posting clown pictures, and being abusive, also applies to everyone else ... in this case "gibon". Your post has been removed.

Please desist from posting personal abuse ... unless you want to join ernie in the great unknown outside of Geotech.

If do not fool my memory, I think that you are quite strict.
friendly:)

[Qiaozhi]

If do not fool my memory, I think that you are quite strict.
friendly:)
Not really. :D
It was just that Gibon posted a rather large picture of a clown and some abuse aimed directly at Max. It deserved to be removed, especially since I had already issued my "friendly" warning. :friends
Such behaviour spoils it for everyone else. stick:

[Geo]

Not really. :D
It was just that Gibon posted a rather large picture of a clown and some abuse aimed directly at Max. It deserved to be removed, especially since I had already issued my "friendly" warning. :friends
Such behaviour spoils it for everyone else. stick:

I saw it. Perhaps beginning to understand your intentions:lol::lol:

stick:stick:

Regards:)

[MIJ]

And ... is that an LCD on the front panel?
If so, what does it show?

I thought you may like a closer look at the Crypton OBMD-1

http://geotech1.com/forums/images/attach/jpg.gif

[Qiaozhi]

I thought you may like a closer look at the Crypton OBMD-1

http://geotech1.com/forums/images/attach/jpg.gif
Thanks. So it's not an LCD, but a set of instructions.

[Morgan]

I thought you may like a closer look at the Crypton OBMD-1

http://geotech1.com/forums/images/attach/jpg.gif

Hi

did you bougth this one ?

Regards

[MIJ]

Hi

did you bougth this one ?

Regards

No I haven’t brought the Crypton yet but I’m thinking about it.

First I want to wait to see more results from field tests in other countries; I have more information on the unit and pictures if you want I will show you more let me know?

[ivconic]

No I haven’t brought the Crypton yet but I’m thinking about it.

First I want to wait to see more results from field tests in other countries; I have more information on the unit and pictures if you want I will show you more let me know?

Save your money, it is a CRAP like any other in the past.
Crap, fraud, delusion, charlatanism, snake oil, impossible mission...etc...etc..
I could analyze video step by step, but i would not do that, because craps like this one is not deserving my effort nor full attention.
I will just put all my remarks in few points here.
I also appeared here to support Qiaozhi and nothing else.
First; there is no sound that is recognizable nor audible , so we can't clearly hear what is all about.
Second; it is so disputable to see the man keeping all his attention on one exact perimeter, all the time during the video.
If i was that guy, after several swings and getting no response at all from that CRAP - i would swing the damn device in some other direction and pretty soon i would walk away from "scene" to search for some other signal.
But NO, he didn't done like that!?
How come?
Seems he already knew where is buried item (if it was that item in soil at all, on showed place in video, will explain later) - so he persistently kept to swing in wide swings, across that perimeter and in that direction!? How come?
It looks like he wanted to persuade us (watchers, public) that something must be going on in that direction of swinging.
So, step by step, swing by swing (like playing childish game) he "randomly" arrived to the point where it "was obvious" that there is a place where buried item is located.
Childish game, can fool only believers and naive people.
Third; White's located something.
What?
I had several White's detectors and i do know them so good - like i designed them, that good.
There is no chance White's to give such audio response on such object, like it was showed on video, no chance!
Such response is more likely to be expected when scattering iron is detected.
It is to large object to be detected so "misty" and with such double and blur response by White's. No way!
Ok, maybe i had such impression because of very bad audio at video clip? Let's have reserve upon this by now.
Fourth;
We see that he leaded us to the place where soil seems is not disturbed previously? Ha?
Pretty tricky! And pretty smart! (Details like this one is perfect decoy for naives! :lol:)
Actually, it is Greece, dry land (lived there), and it takes just several days soil to dry so bad that later you can brake pickax trying to dig it!
If we take that; object was really in the soil (which i doubt 100%) than it is pretty possible that object was buried previously, some ... 10 day before shooting the video.
Also dry yellow grass was scattered randomly to add on impression! Ha!
Fifth;
cadre when we see hand taking "something" from soil is pretty limited and at some moment we do not see what is in hand, because hand is going out of cadre, stays there for few seconds and returning in cadre showing the object! Ha!
Each amateur magician can do the same trick to fool your eyes, just like that!
So, actually, we didn't see exactly that object was taken from soil! No way!
What we saw is just soil and hand over it.
So...
What to say more?
I decided not to take a part in LRL topics from long time ago.
Yet this is second time that i appeared here again to post some comment.
I simply do not understand what kind of people are those who still tends to accept and believe in such frauds and charlatanism like this one?
What do you need more people? What other evidences?
Carl gave here huge space of his forum, years ago, for such matters.
And we all take a part in the past in discussions, and already proved that all those crap devices are nothing more than simple charlatanism, non working and useless completely.
What else should be done here?
Live in piece and good health, take it easy, God bless all of You! :)
Cheers!

[Qiaozhi]

there is no sound that is recognizable nor audible , so we can't clearly hear what is all about
I think it is very important to have the sound working on the video, otherwise we cannot see if the device accurately points to the target or is just a lot of random beeping.

[Morgan]

No I haven’t brought the Crypton yet but I’m thinking about it.

First I want to wait to see more results from field tests in other countries; I have more information on the unit and pictures if you want I will show you more let me know?

No thanks,i know this LRL can experience some problems in field,i prefere my SIMPLE PDK, one KNOB , TURN ON AND GO,its AUTOMATIC.


Regards

[Morgan]

No I haven’t brought the Crypton yet but I’m thinking about it.

First I want to wait to see more results from field tests in other countries; I have more information on the unit and pictures if you want I will show you more let me know?

As IVCONIC said,Andreas with his CRYPTON stay too long trying locate the object,so if we go with this LRL to a field with many buried objects,imagine how confuse it will be to find all of them,no FILTER for only gold and silver???

[Funfinder]

Well,it was my intention to send for you one PDK to test in NAZI GOLD locations,but as you already will test and support one of this CRYPTON,i change my mind ;)

Hope it works as LRL too

Don't tell me any fancy stories - you never had decided anything to send me to test! And I wouldn't have had interest for getting stuff and have to send it back, anyway.


Everyone - be careful about Morgan! You may get in contact with persons here - without any bad intention - but Morgan is watching you and locks you out of "HIS" RS Project forum just because of paranoid conjectures.


I'm I very understanding guy so I wanna know what are your intentions, what is fine for you, Morgan?

As far I can understand it meanwhile you:

- like to experiment but no one shall get useful info about that.
- you hate any commercial usage of so called "LRL circuits"
- no one shall get your "inventions" until you found the Nazi-Gold or whatever
- you treat persons like sh*t if they don't please you, even if they don't know what you really want and what's "your reason why"
- perhaps you like to split up this Remote Sensing Forum into a 2 class society - one that does what you like and one that is locked out
- you don't know if you should defend Mineoro or not


Well, clarify yourself, so we can understand what you really want here.

Anyway it was a big mistake to treat me this bad way without being shure of anything, just by wrong accusations.


And by the way that circuit which has been posted freely available for everyone at a serbian and greek forum is not your overall property! As long as this stuff doesn't work reliable and perhaps illegaly had been used to create not working detectors everyone can make tests with this **** to find out the truth - not only you.

[Morgan]

Don't tell me any fancy stories - you never had decided anything to send me to test! And I wouldn't have had interest for getting stuff and have to send it back, anyway.


Everyone - be careful about Morgan! You may get in contact with persons here - without any bad intention - but Morgan is watching you and locks you out of "HIS" RS Project forum just because of paranoid conjectures.


I'm I very understanding guy so I wanna know what are your intentions, what is fine for you, Morgan?

As far I can understand it meanwhile you:

- like to experiment but no one shall get useful info about that.
- you hate any commercial usage of so called "LRL circuits"
- no one shall get your "inventions" until you found the Nazi-Gold or whatever
- you treat persons like sh*t if they don't please you, even if they don't know what you really want and what's "your reason why"
- perhaps you like to split up this Remote Sensing Forum into a 2 class society - one that does what you like and one that is locked out
- you don't know if you should defend Mineoro or not


Well, clarify yourself, so we can understand what you really want here.

Anyway it was a big mistake to treat me this bad way without being shure of anything, just by wrong accusations.


And by the way that circuit which has been posted freely available for everyone at a serbian and greek forum is not your overall property! As long as this stuff doesn't work reliable and perhaps illegaly had been used to create not working detectors everyone can make tests with this **** to find out the truth - not only you.

.(ponto final).

[J_Player]

Everyone - be careful about Morgan! You may get in contact with persons here - without any bad intention - but Morgan is watching you and locks you out of "HIS" RS Project forum just because of paranoid conjectures.

I'm I very understanding guy so I wanna know what are your intentions, what is fine for you, Morgan?

As far I can understand it meanwhile you:

- like to experiment but no one shall get useful info about that.
- you hate any commercial usage of so called "LRL circuits"
- no one shall get your "inventions" until you found the Nazi-Gold or whatever
- you treat persons like sh*t if they don't please you, even if they don't know what you really want and what's "your reason why"
- perhaps you like to split up this Remote Sensing Forum into a 2 class society - one that does what you like and one that is locked out
- you don't know if you should defend Mineoro or not


Well, clarify yourself, so we can understand what you really want here.

Anyway it was a big mistake to treat me this bad way without being shure of anything, just by wrong accusations. ...Hahahahaaaa...
:rotfl

What have we here?
Funfinder still pretending he can't figure it out?
Funfinder tells us he has no problem to steal other peoples private information and use it for commercial venture.
He tells us he will be testing and supporting an LRL for commercial sale in middle Europe.
He even tells us he does not respect copyrights... He thinks it is ok to steal things which have been copyrighted to use for his commercial activities.

Then he tries to blame people who have private information which they don't want him to use in his commercial activities in Europe? :rolleyes:

Conjecture? There no conjecture at all.
These are exact words that Funfinder typed in the Geotech forum..!
You cannot erase your words from the Geotech forum.

Funfinder, please tell us what these words mean:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18232 http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters!

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=136726#post136726
In most cases all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry and how arrogant they're acting against the consumer or safety-backupers.

Shure, the inventor(s) should get their reward for their good work, but not over hundred of years and not by creating monopoles.

All those f**** licences and stuff makes everything just extremly expensive and destroys the free development and improvement.

Are we reading conjecture, or are we reading words that Funfinder typed into the Geotech forums? :remember

It seems to me that private property belongs to the people who own it.
Not to thieves who want to take it away from them and commercialize it.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

.(ponto final).

Are you stupid - can't you answer normally? No answer also is an answer for me!

You will bitterly regret your cheap, asoscial and unfair behaviour against me. Are you crazy to act out of nothing so badly against persons who've been all the time friendly and good to you? You will pay for this, don't f*** with me.


1. What I've written about "big professional help secret" in your anyway worthless information thread has had nothing to do with Crypton at all. Well Morgan, I won't tell you about it and now you lost this great development opportunity and you can play with your toy and test in your garden with your buried silver coin on your own.

2. You lost all my help concerning the "Nazi Gold" including my cooperation with you incl. my very good connections. Friends of mine have been a week ago in a german TV show translated called "World Of Wonders" hunting for the Nazi Gold. I don't care if you believe it or not - you know nothing anyway.

3. I will make you bad luck finding treasures at all and no god will help you! :angry:


So in total this is a high price for your evil manners against innocent persons. And now go into your secret thread and don't disturb us with your shiny wrong-way leading videos here!


@ J_P
Don't forget, I don't care about what you write! Persons like you, WM6 and Morgan just are poisoning this forum and are unable for fair communication and the needed professional scientifical work.

[J_Player]

@ J_P
Don't forget, I don't care about what you write! Persons like you, WM6 and Morgan just are poisoning this forum and are unable for fair communication and the needed professional scientifical work.Hi Funfinder,
How can I forget your words?
They are all over the Geotech forum in places where you cannot erase them.

We all know you don't care what I write.
But you might be wise to read what I write.
You will see I am writing YOUR WORDS -- Not mine.
The poison you say I am putting in this forum was written by YOU.

look at your words again:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18232
http://www.youtube.com/user/CryptonGreece

We can see here a working LRL that is based on the known principle of electrolytical current EM wave distortion but it also works under moist conditions.

This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters!

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=136726#post136726
In most cases all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry and how arrogant they're acting against the consumer or safety-backupers.

Shure, the inventor(s) should get their reward for their good work, but not over hundred of years and not by creating monopoles.

All those f**** licences and stuff makes everything just extremly expensive and destroys the free development and improvement.

Are you unable to answer your words that it is ok to take other peoples private information to use it for your commercial activities?
Are you unable to show how it is not true that you will be promoting commercial LRL sales in middle Europe?

We know you don't care what I write.
But do you care when other people read your words?

Do you have some new meanings to give for the words you posted?
Or shall we believe your words in my post are poison for the forum?


Best wishes,
J_p

[J_Player]

In most cases all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry and how arrogant they're acting against the consumer or safety-backupers.

Shure, the inventor(s) should get their reward for their good work, but not over hundred of years and not by creating monopoles.

All those f**** licences and stuff makes everything just extremly expensive and destroys the free development and improvement.
Hi Funfinder,
We see from your first post that you will support your new Greek commercial LRL in middle Europe.
And you are already supporting OKM here in the forum.
It also appears you may support OKM as another of your commercial LRL for middle Europe in your product line.
And we know you believe that "owners rights shall go to hell" from your previous post.

So here is my question:
Can we expect you will post the schematic for the Greek Crypton LRL here so we can study it for free scientific development and improvement that you say is necessary?
Will you be posting the schematics for the OKM products here too?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

From "Basic Rules of the Forum"

If you disagree with something, state your case, and move on.

Regards:)

[J_Player]

From "Basic Rules of the Forum"

If you disagree with something, state your case, and move on.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
I have no disagreement. I have questions.
I watch Funfinder repeat the same information of who he says are the good guys and who are bad guys, but he does not answer simple questions.

My last post is a question that Funfinder does not answer.
But I see you have not made any comment about my questions either.
So I ask you:

1. In your opinion, is it ok to take private information and copyrighted circuits to use for commercial activities?
Or do you think this is wrong?

2. Do you think Funfinder will publish the Crypton circuit or OKM circuits in the Geotech forums so we can study them for free scientific development and improvement?
Or do you think Funfinder will not publish these circuits?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[WM6]

! Persons like you, WM6 and Morgan just are poisoning this forum and are unable for fair communication and the needed professional scientifical work.



How crude words, dear Funfinder.

You shall never forget, that I am your big fan and best friend here on forum. And Morgan and J_P are really nice, friendly and cooperative guy too, almost like you.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
I have no disagreement. I have questions.
I watch Funfinder repeat the same information of who he says are the good guys and who are bad guys, but he does not answer simple questions.

My last post is a question that Funfinder does not answer.
But I see you have not made any comment about my questions either.
So I ask you:

1. In your opinion, is it ok to take private information and copyrighted circuits to use for commercial activities?
Or do you think this is wrong?

2. Do you think Funfinder will publish the Crypton circuit or OKM circuits in the Geotech forums so we can study them for free scientific development and improvement?
Or do you think Funfinder will not publish these circuits?


Best wishes, :)
J_P
΅
Hahahaha:lol::lol:
Hi J_P.
My opinion for first question is "Wrong", but what is happening for a copyrighted circuit ligh modificated ???
The second question is wrong because both detectors (OKM and Crypton) will be full or glue inside so not easy to make a good reverse engineering.


Regards:)

[J_Player]

΅
Hahahaha:lol::lol:
Hi J_P.
My opinion for first question is "Wrong", but what is happening for a copyrighted circuit ligh modificated ???
The second question is wrong because both detectors (OKM and Crypton) will be full or glue inside so not easy to make a good reverse engineering.


Regards:)You give some interesting answers, Geo.
I agree with you it is wrong to use copyrighted materials that you don't own for commercial purposes.

You ask what is happening for a copyrighted circuit modified?
Circuit features are usually patented rather than copyrighted.
But if a valid patent or copyright exists, then the circuit cannot be used for commercial purposes unless you have obtained a license or permission from the person who owns the patented or copyrighted part of the circuit.
We see there are many electronic machines which have been modified, and have several patents from different patent owners that are being sold commercially by a company.
A company who sells these these modified electronic products first obtains licenses and agreements with the owners of the patents before they sell a product that has patented parts inside.

But what about private information?
What about circuits and other information about electronic projects which is not copyrighted, but is kept private?
Is it your opinion that private information should remain as private property of the people who own this information?
Or should the private information be made public for everyone to use?

The second question about Crypton and OKM is not wrong.
We have seen how Alexismex removed epoxy to show the parts inside of a Mineoro locator.
And my question remains:
Do you think Funfinder will publish the Crypton circuit or the OKM circuit?
Or do you think he will not publish these circuits?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
For me are simple.......
Private information must be private if the owner of them don't like to give them to other persons....
Now about to modify a device or circuit. If the modification makes a new or a better device then i agree. But if it makes ONLY a new device with nothing better or nothing new details then it is Wrong.
About Funfinder... i believe that he can't make reverse engineering to OKM or Crypton so to give the schematics here. But no representative don't gives secret information out.
As i know Funfinder is not yet a representative of OKM or other device so we speak for to speak.

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
For me are simple.......
Private information must be private if the owner of them don't like to give them to other persons....
Now about to modify a device or circuit. If the modification makes a new or a better device then i agree. But if it makes ONLY a new device with nothing better or nothing new details then it is Wrong.
About Funfinder... i believe that he can't make reverse engineering to OKM or Crypton so to give the schematics here. But no representative don't gives secret information out.
As i know Funfinder is not yet a representative of OKM or other device so we speak for to speak.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
I also agree with you about private information.
Private information belongs to the people who own it.
It does not belong to other people unless the owner decides to give it to them.
I can see you agree with me that it is wrong to take private property and copyrighted materials to use in for commercial purposes.
But Funfinder does not agree with you or me.
He says it is ok to take private property and copyrighted materials for commercial purposes.

I don't agree about your idea for using patented or copyrighted circuits which are modified to make nothing better than the original patented circuit.
It does not make a difference if the modification is an improvement or if it is no improvement.
You still cannot use patented or copyrighted materials for commercial purposes unless you pay the owner of the copyright for to use his property.
This is the law in all civilized countries.

I also agree that Funfinder is not capable of reverse engineering any OKM circuits or the Crypton circuit.
So I agree that I think he will not publish these circuits.
But I could be wrong.
Funfinder says he is very important and knows many other important people in Europe.
So maybe he knows someone who will reverse-engineer these LRLs for him so he can publish the circuits in the forum.

Maybe we must wait and see what he will do, since he does not answer the questions about his belief that it is important to use private information and copyrighted materials for free development and improvement.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.

I think we begin to stray from the subject:lol:

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

I think we begin to stray from the subject:lol:

RegardsHi Geo,

I think you make a mistake.
We are at the exact subject that Funfinder opened.
Look at the top post that Funfinder made to start the subject:
This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe.

btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors because the main important fact is the real reliable improvement that Mineoro misses. Therefore Morgan and everyone has fully the justified right to make a real reliable working detector!

The unit will be available for a very fair and low price and it will be a huge improvement for all treasure hunters! :DDo you see where he says he will be supporting a commercial LRL for sale?
Do you see where he says he does not care if this commercial LRL is based on Mineoro or Morgan's detectors?
I am talking about the same subject that Funfinder started.

His subject is that he will be supporting a commercial LRL for sale in Europe.
His subject is that he does not care if his commercial LRL activities use Mineoro circuits or Morgan's circuits.
If this is not the subject, then what is the subject?

Have you found a different subject that we should discuss instead of the subjects that Funfinder opens here?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[teknoloji]

picture a lot more effective, is ..Pictures tell everything.Morgan okm mineora and others ...:D:)

[J_Player]

picture a lot more effective, is ..Pictures tell everything.Morgan okm mineora and others ...:D:)Does this picture tell the story of commercial LRLs for sale?

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5953&stc=1&d=1216948638


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Last time i try to do reverse engineering of the OBMD-1. If all will go OK then i will give the schematic here as a present for new year.

Regards:)

[teknoloji]

I'm afraid..:lol::lol::lol:

Best wishes

[Morgan]

Last time i try to do reverse engineering of the OBMD-1. If all will go OK then i will give the schematic here as a present for new year.

Regards:)

and do you know if someone already test this device and get good results?

[Geo]

and do you know if someone already test this device and get good results?

I don't know, and i am not interesting for it. I have better lrl:lol:
Very simple i have a pcb schematic and i try to reverse it. Now i have reversed about 90%. If i will finish it then i put it here for studing.

Regards

[aft_72005]

I don't know, and i am not interesting for it. I have better lrl:lol:
Very simple i have a pcb schematic and i try to reverse it. Now i have reversed about 90%. If i will finish it then i put it here for studing.

Regards

Last time i try to do reverse engineering of the OBMD-1. If all will go OK then i will give the schematic here as a present for new year.

Regards

Hi Geo
I am interesting about OBMD1 circuit and data . please upload some pictures
From inside box and circuit.
Best regards.

[Geo]

Last time i try to do reverse engineering of the OBMD-1. If all will go OK then i will give the schematic here as a present for new year.

Regards

Hi Geo
I am interesting about OBMD1 circuit and data . please upload some pictures
From inside box and circuit.
Best regards.


Hi.
It is a magnetic field detector with a IR stage. I have not photo from inside the detector but i have a pcb file that Andreas sent at a Greek forum. I will try to find the address and i"ll put here a link.
Regards

[CRYPTON.COM.GR]

The company have seen all posts about thread obmd-1.
We have made tests Spring - Summertime and Autumn with success 100% in real targets (model OBMD-1 for old buried paramagnetic objects and OBMD-1A for archeology objects), but, we have not finished experiments of Winter section.
Also this is the basic reason that, we don't send samples for test via forums... etc and we don't start sales via world- dealers, because we have not full guarantee now for success
For this time, we don't accept affairs, about project OBMD-1 from members that have not made tests our model.
Also we see certain members without our authorisation is ready to present false elements.
Strange is here why your member mr Vrondos (Geo) without full infos, without our authorisation, without authorisation by Andreas about our model, want present his opinions. If he has our model his hands, with invoice etc , of course we need opinions. If not, our company legal protection for negative publicity
In this case we prohibit without our authorisation the presentation our each report for our models.
We want from administrator the deletion thread OBMD-1 and stop all opinions before we are ready
Our company promise, when we finish all tests (we need tests for Winter), we make official report via your forums and we publication official opinions from our customers or members that will make tests with our project.
Also we promise, if we are ready we answer all member's questions

[J_Player]

The company have seen all posts about thread obmd-1.
We have made tests Spring - Summertime and Autumn with success 100% in real targets (model OBMD-1 for old buried paramagnetic objects and OBMD-1A for archeology objects), but, we have not finished experiments of Winter section.
Also this is the basic reason that, we don't send samples for test via forums... etc and we don't start sales via world- dealers, because we have not full guarantee now for success
For this time, we don't accept affairs, about project OBMD-1 from members that have not made tests our model.
Also we see certain members without our authorisation is ready to present false elements.
Strange is here why your member mr Vrondos (Geo) without full infos, without our authorisation, without authorisation by Andreas about our model, want present his opinions. If he has our model his hands, with invoice etc , of course we need opinions. If not, our company legal protection for negative publicity
In this case we prohibit without our authorisation the presentation our each report for our models.
We want from administrator the deletion thread OBMD-1 and stop all opinions before we are ready
Our company promise, when we finish all tests (we need tests for Winter), we make official report via your forums and we publication official opinions from our customers or members that will make tests with our project.
Also we promise, if we are ready we answer all member's questionsHi CRYPTON.COM.GR,
From what you say, you have a very interestng locator machine.
Thank you for promising to show your official report here in our forum.
I will watch to see how well your locator performs after you finish the tests.
I know Andreas is a very good electronic engineer, so I expect to see something better than the non-working locators which are manufactured from other commercial producers.


This forum does not permit publishing copyrighted materials.
you can read our rules here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10526
Also you can read the statement of Carl-NC who owns this forum and website here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=policy.dat

If you have concerns that someone will post information which you own the copyrights to, then you can contact Carl-NC.
Carl-NC will not permit anyone to publish copyrighted materials here unless they first have permission from the owner.


Also I ask you is Funfinder from Austria the authorized representative for your company?
I think maybe Funfinder is not your representative -- because Funfinder has made strong arguments to say that owner's rights are not to be protected.
Funfinder says that "owner's rights shall go to hell".
Can you tell us if Funfinder is your authorized company representative?
Or is funfinder not your authorized company representative?


===
Γεια CRYPTON.COM.GR,
Από αυτά που λέτε, έχετε ένα πολύ interestng συσκευή εντοπισμού.
Σας ευχαριστούμε για την πολλά υποσχόμενη για να δείξει επίσημη έκθεσή σας εδώ στο forum μας.
Θα παρακολουθήσετε για να δείτε πόσο καλά συσκευή σας εκτελεί αφού ολοκληρώσετε τις δοκιμές.
Ξέρω ότι ο Ανδρέας είναι ένα πολύ καλό Ηλεκτρονικός Μηχανικός, οπότε περιμένω να δω κάτι καλύτερο από τον μη ενεργό εντοπιστές τα οποία παρασκευάζονται από άλλα εμπορικά παραγωγούς.


Αυτό το φόρουμ δεν επιτρέπει τη δημοσίευση copyrighted υλικό.
μπορείτε να διαβάσετε τους κανόνες μας εδώ: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10526
Επίσης μπορείτε να διαβάσετε τη δήλωση του Καρλ-NC ποιος είναι ο ιδιοκτήτης αυτού του φόρουμ και της ιστοσελίδας εδώ: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=policy.dat

Εάν έχετε ανησυχίες για κάποιον θα δημοσιεύσουμε τις πληροφορίες που έχετε στην κατοχή σας τα πνευματικά δικαιώματα, τότε μπορείτε να επικοινωνήσετε με Carl-NC.
Carl-NC δεν θα επιτρέψει σε κανέναν να δημοσιεύσει copyrighted υλικό εδώ, εκτός αν αυτοί έχουν προηγουμένως άδεια από τον ιδιοκτήτη.


Επίσης, ζητώ από εσάς είναι Funfinder από την Αυστρία εξουσιοδοτημένος αντιπρόσωπος για την εταιρεία σας;
Νομίζω ότι ίσως Funfinder δεν είναι αντιπροσωπευτικό σας -- επειδή Funfinder έχει ισχυρά επιχειρήματα να πω ότι τα δικαιώματα του ιδιοκτήτη δεν πρέπει να προστατευθούν.
Funfinder λέει ότι "τα δικαιώματα του ιδιοκτήτη πρέπει να πάει στην κόλαση".
Μπορείτε να μας πείτε αν Funfinder είναι εξουσιοδοτημένος αντιπρόσωπος της εταιρείας σας;
Ή μήπως δεν funfinder εξουσιοδοτημένο αντιπρόσωπο της εταιρείας σας;

Τις καλύτερες ευχές μου,
J_P
===

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

The company have seen all posts about thread obmd-1.
We have made tests Spring - Summertime and Autumn with success 100% in real targets (model OBMD-1 for old buried paramagnetic objects and OBMD-1A for archeology objects), but, we have not finished experiments of Winter section.
Also this is the basic reason that, we don't send samples for test via forums... etc and we don't start sales via world- dealers, because we have not full guarantee now for success
For this time, we don't accept affairs, about project OBMD-1 from members that have not made tests our model.
Also we see certain members without our authorisation is ready to present false elements.
Strange is here why your member mr Vrondos (Geo) without full infos, without our authorisation, without authorisation by Andreas about our model, want present his opinions. If he has our model his hands, with invoice etc , of course we need opinions. If not, our company legal protection for negative publicity
In this case we prohibit without our authorisation the presentation our each report for our models.
We want from administrator the deletion thread OBMD-1 and stop all opinions before we are ready
Our company promise, when we finish all tests (we need tests for Winter), we make official report via your forums and we publication official opinions from our customers or members that will make tests with our project.
Also we promise, if we are ready we answer all member's questions

Hi.

From what i know, i can attach here a pcb diagram from OBMD-1 detector because this pcb file has attached by you at Greek forum Psaxtiria.net.
If administrators allow me i can attach it here. After it i think that i can make reverse engineering it.
I wait the opinion of Carl and Qiaozhi

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi.

From what i know, i can attach here a pcb diagram from OBMD-1 detector because this pcb file has attached by you at Greek forum Psaxtiria.net.
If administrators allow me i can attach it here. After it i think that i can make reverse engineering it.
I wait the opinion of Carl and Qiaozhi

Regards:)Hi Geo,

Carl does not permit posting commercial schematics from manufacturers unless they give permission.
See what Carl says about schematic rules here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=metdet&file=schematics.dat
"If a manufacturer contacts me with a legitimate complaint about a schematic posted here (such as a redrawn manufacturer's schematic), then I will pull it".

The manufacturer has already posted in Carl's forum that he does not want his schematics posted.
Maybe good to check with Carl to make sure about the details.
I think it depends on where the schematic came from.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[CRYPTON.COM.GR]

Hi member J_P
Thank you for your comprehension.
Sorry for poor English.
We are Greek businessmen and interested itself for export a very interesting locator machine, with collaboration Andreas Christi.
This machine is not a gold detector, but a long range discrimination locator without filter between Au,Ag,Cu
About technical information, we think better contact with andreas Christi. Yes he is a very good electronic engineer, but we don't know if he want publish more infos now for our model.
From us ONLY Andreas has complete authorisation to presents here, that he believes, don't create problem in our interests of company.
About Funfinder from Austria, yes he is interest for authorized representative our company, but this time we cannot put authorized dealer, before we must be finish with winter tests.
If we finish all tests, we have not problem if funfinder is a authorized dealer, it's not time for this now
We must be should, right with commercial communication with dealers and customers.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

Carl does not permit posting commercial schematics from manufacturers unless they give permission.
See what Carl says about schematic rules here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=metdet&file=schematics.dat
"If a manufacturer contacts me with a legitimate complaint about a schematic posted here (such as a redrawn manufacturer's schematic), then I will pull it".

The manufacturer has already posted in Carl's forum that he does not want his schematics posted.
Maybe good to check with Carl to make sure about the details.
I think it depends on where the schematic came from.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

OK, if so then i will try to found the exactly address (URL) of the Greek forum where Andreas has post the pcb schematic. But who saw here a commercial schematic by me???

Regards

[J_Player]

OK, if so then i will try to found the exactly address (URL) of the Greek forum where Andreas has post the pcb schematic. But who saw here a commercial schematic by me???

RegardsHi Geo,

If Andreas posted a schematic in a public forum which has no copyrights, then it is probably in the public domain.
But this does not mean it is the same exact schematic which the OBMD-1 locator is built to.
Maybe the commercial version is changed from what you saw Andreas post.

If we learn that it is ok to post the Andreas schematic, then we must be careful to not confuse his schematic with the schematic which is used inside the current version of the OBMD-1 locator.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

If Andreas posted a schematic in a public forum which has no copyrights, then it is probably in the public domain.
But this does not mean it is the same exact schematic which the OBMD-1 locator is built to.
Maybe the commercial version is changed from what you saw Andreas post.

If we learn that it is ok to post the Andreas schematic, then we must be careful to not confuse his schematic with the schematic which is used inside the current version of the OBMD-1 locator.


Best wishes, :)
J_P


Hi J_P.
I attach the address where you can find the pcb schematic. The file attached by Andreas or PIDETECT in Greek forum. You must login so to have the ability to see and download the file. I have more to say, but wait, slowly... slowly

Regards:)
http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showpost.php?p=75343&postcount=15

[CRYPTON.COM.GR]

Hi J_P.
I attach the address where you can find the pcb schematic. The file attached by Andreas or PIDETECT in Greek forum. You must login so to have the ability to see and download the file. I have more to say, but wait, slowly... slowly

Regards:)
http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showpost.php?p=75343&postcount=15

Your past and your objectives, us they compel to be very careful with your "double face". We must be certify, for your movement, that we believe is opposite with our right policy and your movements will be faced proportionally.
This is a critical point for you, because you must be forget here designer Andreas Christi, forget here your hunter for.. glory or...... Here you have a company and this company know very well your person
We are businessmen and we don't want problems from amateurs that have ignorance our project
You know if this PCB is complet? You know if use fet, or PNP-NPN? You know duty cycle RF out or sensor? You think we dont know method invert mechanics? Simple you want present here some general infos for your personal objective.
If we need publish some infos this is our choice.
If you need publish real infos, you can buy one OBMD-1, destroy protection and you are free publish infos see with your eyes
Please Administator delete this thread now. If we are complet, we can start new thread about OBMD-1, with rights infos, with opinions only from real users, only with real tests and video's
This is final post about us. We wait now Administator.

[Geo]

I see nothing illegal in that I write.
Carl will decide:lol:

[J_Player]

...From us ONLY Andreas has complete authorisation to presents here, that he believes, don't create problem in our interests of company.
About Funfinder from Austria, yes he is interest for authorized representative our company, but this time we cannot put authorized dealer, before we must be finish with winter tests.
Hmmm... the plot thickens...

The Crypton company says Funfinder has an interest to become an authorized dealer, but they have only authorized Andreas to present their information here.
They will not accept any dealers until after their winter testing is done.

Funfinder is not authorized, and Crypton will not allow him to be a dealer at this time.
So all this talk we have been hearing from Funfinder supporting Crypton is hypothetical. :rolleyes:

Now I seriously wonder if the Crypton company wants Funfinder to be their authorized dealer.
Funfinder has already made strong arguments to explain why he does not respect owner's rights or licenses for proprietary circuits.
Aren't "owner's rights" and proprietary circuits what Crypton is fighting to preserve?

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17211&stc=1&d=1319565439

Best Wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

In babelfish language: not worth strong emotions:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psaxtiria.net%2Fforum%2Fsho wpost.php%3Fp%3D75343%26postcount%3D15&lp=el_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

[Geo]

Hi.

Greek forum changes the category of the thread with the photo of the pcb of Cyclon. Now don't needing to login so to have the ability to see it.
Here is the new URL.

Regards.

http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showpost.php?p=75343&postcount=15

ps... thanks the administrator of psaxtiria.net, Mr Goldmaniac:)

[Geo]

I wait for an answer from Qiaozhi or Carl. May i to post here a reverse engineering schematic from the pcb, who posted by Andreas as "pcb of Crypton OBMD-1"???


Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

Carl does not permit posting commercial schematics from manufacturers unless they give permission.
See what Carl says about schematic rules here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=metdet&file=schematics.dat
"If a manufacturer contacts me with a legitimate complaint about a schematic posted here (such as a redrawn manufacturer's schematic), then I will pull it".

The manufacturer has already posted in Carl's forum that he does not want his schematics posted.
Maybe good to check with Carl to make sure about the details.
I think it depends on where the schematic came from.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
I think that we say a device as commercial if it has a patent number. Do you agree???
I did not saw any patent number so i believe that it is free for everyone to post schematics or photos.
Do you remember the schematic of Alonso's PD? It was a Heathkit patent:lol:.
Here MAYBE to be a patent of a English magazine. I say MAYBE, not sure...

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I think that we say a device as commercial if it has a patent number. Do you agree???
I did not saw any patent number so i believe that it is free for everyone to post schematics or photos.
Do you remember the schematic of Alonso's PD? It was a Heathkit patent:lol:.
Here MAYBE to be a patent of a English magazine. I say MAYBE, not sure...

RegardsHi Geo,
When a circuit is patented, then it is made public for anyone to see or to make copies of the circuit drawings from the patent.
The patent is protection only to stop people from using the circuit for commercial profit.
The patent does not stop people from seeing the details of an invention, or from publishing the diagrams they see in the patent.
It makes the details and diagrams public for everyone to see.
But the patent also gives protection to the owner to stop other people from using the patented designs for making a commercial profit.
Other people must negotiate a payment to the owner before they may use his patented designs for commercial profits.

When a copyright is claimed, this is not the same as a patent.
The copyright is a protection to stop people from making copies of an image or literature, or music which they created.
The person who owns the copyright can take legal measures to stop other people from publishing or distributing their copyrighted materials.
An owner of a copyright can allow the public to see their images or literature or music only in the places where they put them for the public to see.
The owner of a copyright can also take legal measures to stop anyone from making commercial profits from using their original copyrighted materials.

Many times the owner of a copyright will grant conditional rights to publish their copyrighted materials.
We see where the owner of a copyright will often make an announcement that their copyrighted image or literature may be published only if the name of the owner of the copyright is included, and a link is provided to the original place where they see it posted.
Sometimes the copyright owner says anyone may publish copies only for private study, but they may not use the copyrighted material for commercial profit.
But if you do not see this kind of notice from the owner, then you can view their copyrighted materials only in the places where the copyright owner published them for the public to see.

So you see the difference between the circuit protection that is found in a patent and in a copyright.
A patent only protects the patent owner from other people using the owner's circuit for commercial profit.
But a copyright protects the copyright owner from other people publishing copies of their original drawings and other images.
Unless the owner of a copyright says you can publish their images or other literature, then you may only view it in the place where they publish the copyrighted material.

In the case of images which Andreas publishes, you would need to know if his images are copyrighted or not.
If Andreas or Crypton claims a copyright, then you are permitted to view his images only in the places where they publish them.
You are not permitted to publish Andrea's or Crypton's copyrighted images in another place unless they grant permission to you.
But if Andreas or Crypton does not claim a copyright for an image they created, then it is in the public domain.
If it is in the public domain, then anyone may publish it in another place or use the image to make a commercial profit.

In the Geotech forums, Carl has made it clear that he respects copyrights and patents.
Carl does not permit people to publish copyrighted materials here unless you have permission from the owner of the copyright.
Here is what Carl said: "If the schematic is "original artwork" and the company is still making detectors, then I must have permission from the company to post their artwork."
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=metdet&file=schematics.dat
So you see you must have permission from the company before you are permitted to publish their original artwork in Carl's forums.
(original artwork includes drawings, photographs, and images).

The Crypton company is correct to say that you are free to buy their locator and then to open it to make your own images.
If you make your own images of what you see inside a commercial machine, then you are the owner of the new images which you create.
You then have the option to make your own copyrights of any new images that you create when you look inside.
The Crypton company is also correct to say that you do not know what components are placed on an empty circuit board.
You can only make guesses for what kind of transistors and voltages, and it is not likely you would guess every part correctly.
I agree that Crypton company and Andreas are the only people who know exactly what their complete circuit diagram looks like.
And only they know what components, and voltages and frequencies are used in their circuits.
For this reason I wait to hear from the Crypton company and Andreas for true facts which they decide to make public.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[WM6]

I wait for an answer from Qiaozhi or Carl. May i to post here a reverse engineering schematic from the pcb, who posted by Andreas as "pcb of Crypton OBMD-1"???


Regards:)

There is no limitations to post reverse engineering schematic anywhere on web. As well you can open device, make precise photos of PCB and post it anywhere on web.

"Reverse schematic" is your own IP work and there is no guarantee that it 100% correspond to original circuit one.

The only limitation is in field of its commercial use if something in schematic is patented.

[J_Player]

There is no limitations to post reverse engineering schematic anywhere on web. As well you can open device, make precise photos of PCB and post it anywhere on web.

"Reverse schematic" is your own IP work and there is no guarantee that it 100% correspond to original circuit one.

The only limitation is in field of its commercial use if something in schematic is patented.Hi WM6,
This is correct.
Everyone agrees including Carl-NC and even Crypton company that we can buy their locator and open to make our own reverse engineering.
Any circuits we photograph or draw from what we see inside the box are the property of the people who make the photographs and draw the schematics.
The people who photograph and draw schematics from reverse engineering are free to post the images they create and study the design.

I think you must first buy an OBMD-1 before you can open it to make photos :lol:


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

In the forum rules ->
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10526
it states: "Don't post copyrighted material.".

In other words, you are not allowed to scan in a manufacturer's original schematic and make that information available. However, there is nothing to stop you photographing the inside view of a detector and putting the image here. Throughout the forums you may have noticed that this is common practice.

Reverse engineering has long been held a legitimate form of discovery in both legislation and court opinions. In the European Union, reverse engineering is allowed for the purposes of interoperability, but you are not allowed to use that information to create a competing product. Also, the release of this information into the public domain is not allowed in the case of software. In the USA, the act of reverse-engineering a product is often lawful, as long as it is obtained legitimately.

Perhaps Carl would like to comment further ...

[J_Player]

Actually Carl has already made some comments about copyrights on the main page Policies link, where he says:
"Other papers, designs, and articles are copyrighted by their respective publishers and/or authors and are
subject to their restrictions. It is my policy to always give full credit to the original author and publisher of a
paper and to seek permission to post it.

Permission generally includes the understanding that subsequent use of this material is for individual non-profit
purposes only. Therefore, it may not be redistributed in any medium or used for any purposes other than
non-profit individual use, without the express consent of the copyright holder. Permission is granted for other
web sites to provide links to this material on this site. In other words, provide links to material on this site,
but do not post copies of material from this site".
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=policy.dat

Carl makes specific comments about his rules for commercial schematics in the metal detector schematic section: Commercial Schematics
Rules
This page contains schematics for commercially-produced metal detectors. Before creating this page, I
contacted several detector manufacturers and asked if I could post some of their older schematics, and could
they provide any. Each one effectively replied, That's probably OK, let me check on it, and I never heard back.
The reality is that many commercial schematics are already being passed around, and competing
manufacturers can (and do) easily reverse-engineer each other's detectors. There are no real secrets to protect.

Anyone who wishes to contribute to this area, is welcomed and encouraged to do so. I will post schematics
under the following conditions:• If the schematic is "original artwork", then that company must no longer be in the business of
manufacturing detectors. Examples are the orignal Bounty Hunter, Heathkit, the original Compass, C&G,
and Detectron.

• If the schematic is "original artwork", then that company must no longer be in the business of
manufacturing detectors. Examples are the orignal Bounty Hunter, Heathkit, the original Compass,
C&G, and Detectron.

• If the schematic is reverse drawn from a circuit board, and not simply copied from original artwork.
If a manufacturer contacts me with a legitimate complaint about a schematic posted here (such as a redrawn
manufacturer's schematic), then I will pull it.

Schematics for which modifications and comments are submitted, will get their own page".
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=metdet&file=schematics.dat


It is interesting to note that Carl will remove a schematic that was re-drawn from a manufacturer's original copyrighted schematic.
But it is ok to post a schematic if you get it from reverse engineering a board you can see.

Also note that Carl is referring to commercial circuits for products which are already in use, not products which are still in testing stages and have not been released for public sale yet.
It will be interesting to see if Carl has any comments for the crypton locator, because this is a special case where the designer has already made one image public for a product which is not available for sale to the public yet.

When I read Carl's copyright policies, I can only feel respect for his fair treatment of copyrights.
He has adopted policies which protect owner's rights, and still allows forum members fair use when we do not violate the use of copyrights.
- - - - -

Some thoughts about all this:
From what I can see, it appears Crypton has said they authorized Andreas to release technical information for the Crypton product.
It appears that Crypton's concern is to keep other people who do not know the technical details of the OBMD-1 from making false representations of how it works or what it can do or not do.
As far as I can tell, there is no problem with copyrights, because no schematic was ever released from Andreas or Crypton to be copied.
The only possible copyright is the image Andreas posted or the artwork printed on the face of the OBMD-1 machine.

Actually I agree with Crypton's request that we consider Andreas and Crypton company to be the authority for the technical details of the OBMD-1 locator.
Nobody could possibly know what is inside their equipment except the people who manufacture it at this time.
It makes sense to me to wait to see what Crypton and Andreas tells us when they are ready to release thier product for commercial sales.
And it also makes sense to wait until someone opens one and takes photos of the inside before we think we know what components are used in the circuit.

However, I don't see a reason why this thread should be deleted.
We can wait for the Crypton news release while if we read forum opinions that are only speculative while we wait.
Nobody here will think that Geo or other people know what components are inside the Crypton locator.
We know that only Andreas and the Crypton company know what components are used in their circuits at this time.
Voicing our opinions does not infringe on anyone's copyrights or violate owner's rights.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Also note that Carl is referring to commercial circuits for products which are already in use, not products which are still in testing stages and have not been released for public sale yet.
It will be interesting to see if Carl has any comments for the crypton locator, because this is a special case where the designer has already made one image public for a product which is not available for sale to the public yet.

When I read Carl's copyright policies, I can only feel respect for his fair treatment of copyrights.
He has adopted policies which protect owner's rights, and still allows forum members fair use when we do not violate the use of copyrights.
- - - - -


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
From what i know Crypton is available for sale to the public. I can find their message at Greek forum where they say that now they Sell the LRL

Regards:)

[Carl-NC]

From what I understand, a PCB was posted on another forum. Geo wants to use that PCB image and reverse-engineer a schematic to post on this forum.

That is allowed, both by these forum rules and by most any legal guidelines.

- Carl

[goldmaniac]

geo μεταφρασε αυτα που γραφω ωστε να τα καταλαβουν οι φιλοι ποσο διπροσωπος ειναι ο τυπος
ας διαβασουν αυτα που γραφη στην ιστιοσελιδα του ειδικα στο τμημα abut και ας σκεφτουν λιγο
http://crypton.com.gr/about.html
οταν εδω δηλωνη οτι δεν πουλα και ειναι στο σταδιο δοκιμων ακομα πως μεσα στην σελιδα αναφερη οτι εχη μηχανηματα για επιδειξη και πωλουνται μονο χονδρικη
ας ριξουν και μια ματια στην ημερομηνια εναρξης της σελιδας και θα καταλαβουν τα φουμαρα που αμολα διαβαζοντας εδω
http://paskam.forumup.gr/about173-paskam.html
ενω με μεγαλο στομφο ειχε ξεκινηση τις πωλησεις απο το καλοκαιρι και μια επικολληση απο τα γραφωμενα του πριν και αυτα τα εξαφανισουν


pidetect



Συμμετάσχουν: 10 Ιαν 11
Δημοσιεύσεις: 4

Δημοσιεύθηκε: Θέμα δημοσίευσης: ΑΝΑΚΟΙΝΩΣΗ
Αρχίζει από σήμερα η διάθεση σε κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο του αποστακτικού Crypton με κωδικο μοντελου OBMD-1.
Η καθυστέρηση προέκυψε, γιατί μια προγραμματιζόμενη επίσημη δοκιμη, με εγγραφή βίντεο, ορισμένη για την Τετάρτη 28-07-2011 ματαιώθηκε.
Η ματαίωση της δοκιμής έγινε, γιατί υπήρχε «απαίτηση» από μέλος , μετά την δοκιμή και την εγγραφή σε βίντεο της δοκιμής, να του δοθεί «για ελεύθερη προσωπική του χρήση ορισμένου χρόνου» μηχάνημα, για δικές του δόκιμες, για να «αποφανθεί» εάν πρέπει να κάνει ανακοινώσεις στα φόρουμ.
Σε αυτή την περίπτωση, κρίθηκε αναγκαίο να γίνει η ματαίωση και να δώσουμε το δικαίωμα πλέον σε κάθε πελάτη μας να κάνει μόνος του ανακοινώσεις για την αξιοπιστία ή όχι της συσκευής μας , παρακάμπτοντας όλες τις χωρίς ουσία επιπλέον επαληθεύσεις από μη πελάτες μας.
Η δυνατότητες του, όπως έχω αναφέρει σε προηγούμενα posts είναι συγκεκριμένες.
Μέγιστη εμβέλεια 30 μέτρα, μόνο για παλαιά θαμμένα αντικείμενα. Ανίχνευση με σειρά προτεραιότητας 1. Χρυσό 2. Ασήμι 3. Χαλκό.
Δεν απαιτείται συγκεκριμένη πορεία (πχ Βορράς-Νότος) που έχουν ως βασικό κριτήριο αλλού τύπου αποστατικά για την έρευνα. Δεν παίζει κανένα ρόλο αν η έρευνα γίνει ημέρα ή νύκτα. Δεν εργάζεται όμως ποιο κοντά από 50 μέτρα σε Μ/Τ ή καλώδια υψηλής τάσης .
Θέλω μόνο να σημειώσω ξανά, ότι είναι η μοναδική Παγκοσμίως συσκευή, που μπορεί να ανίχνευση ένα στόχο από μακριά και να επιβεβαιωθεί το σημείο του στόχου με ακρίβεια στο μέτρο.
Η χρήση της συσκευής είναι πραγματικά απλή και δεν απαιτεί ιδιαίτερες ικανότητες από τον χειριστή.
Η τιμή ορίζεται στις 3800 εύρο επιπλέον ΦΠΑ. Κάθε αποστατικό συνοδεύεται υποχρεωτικά από τιμολόγιο Πώλησης, την σχετική εγγύηση και Serial Number.
Έως τέλος Αυγούστου, λόγω συγκεκριμένων παραγγελιών προς το εξωτερικό , θα παραδίδονται ελάχιστα μηχανήματα στην εγχώρια Αγορά, μόνο με παραγγελία και συγκεκριμένη ημερομηνία παράδοσης.
Για τα πρώτα τρία τεμάχια παραγγελίας αποκλειστικά από τα μέλη του paskam-forum, θα δωθεί έκπτωση γνωριμίας 20%.
Επίσης για τους κατόχους των τριών πρώτων αποστακτικών, θα αναλάβω προσωπικά την εκπαίδευση και χρήση της συσκευής με τον πελάτη μας.
Αύγουστο θα ξεκινήσει και η λειτουργία της ιστοσελίδας μας.
Για τις παραγγελίες σας, μπορείτε να στείλετε μήνυμα στην
Μόνο εγγεγραμμένοι χρήστες μπορούν να διαβάσουν τις υπογραφές σε αυτό το forum!
Γραφτείτε ή Συνδεθείτε στο φόρουμ!

ή να με πάρετε τηλέφωνο στο 6947-043604.
Το γραφείο μας με έδρα την Αθήνα, σύντομα θα είναι στην διάθεση σας.
Να σημειώσω, ότι δεν απαντώ σε τηλέφωνο με απόκρυψη ή emails χωρίς στοιχεία του ενδιαφερόμενου.
Πάντα στην διάθεση σας
Χρυσοσπάθης Ανδρέας

και το θεμα αυτο δεν πρεπη να διαγραφη,κατι τετοιοι μαγκες κανουν λεφτα σε βαρος του καθε απελπισμενου που προσπαθη να σηκωθη στα ποδια του
φιλε καρλ μην φοβασαι,καμμια νομικη καλυψη δεν εχη ειδικα στην αγγλια
και εφοσον ζουμε στην ευρωπη πρεπη να εχη ολα τα χαρτια του μηχανηματος και το πτυχιο του κατασκευαστη με αδεια εξασκησεως επαγγελματος και αριθμο ενγκρισεως
τα εχη?
φιλικα παρης

[WM6]

Google Translator:

geo translate what I write in order to understand the duplicitous friends from knowing how is the formula
They should read what I write on the website of the specific section abut and let us think a little
http://crypton.com.gr/about.html
here when I say that no bird is still in testing phase means that the page lists that echi machines for demonstration and sold wholesale only
let us throw a glance at the date of entry of the page and will understand that the smoke Unleaded reading here
http://paskam.forumup.gr/about173-paskam.html
while with great flamboyance started selling in the summer and a paste from the grafomena before and these disappear


pidetect



Joined: 10 January 11
Posts: 4

Posted: Post subject: ANNOUNCEMENT
Starting today, available to anyone interested in the distillation Crypton model number OBMD-1.
The delay arose because a planned official test, with recording, some of Wednesday 28/07/2011 aborted.
The cancellation of the test was because there was a "requirement" a member, after the test and record a video of the test to be given "free for personal use term" machine for his own tests to "rule" if should make announcements in the forums.
In this case, it was necessary to make the cancellation and give right now to every customer to make his own announcements to the credibility or otherwise of our device, bypassing all the substance without further verification by non-clients.
The possibilities, as I said in previous posts is specific.
Maximum range of 30 feet, only for old buried objects. Detection order of priority 1. Gold 2. Silver 3. Copper.
Not requiring a specific course (eg North-South) whose primary criterion other type Spacer for research. Plays no role if the research done day or night. But what does not work closer than 50 m T / T or high voltage cables.
I just want to note again, that is the world's only device that can detect a target from a distance and to confirm the point of the target accurately measure.
The use of the device is really simple and requires no special skills from the operator.
The price specified in the 3800 Range additional VAT. Any defected must be accompanied by a bill of Sale, the relevant security and Serial Number.
By late August, due to specific orders for abroad are delivered little machines in the domestic market, only this time ordering and delivery.
For the first three cuts ordered solely by members paskam-forum, will be given introductory discount of 20%.
Also for holders of the first distillation, I will take personal training and use the device to our customers.
August will launch and operation of our website.
For your orders, you can send a message to
Only registered users can see links on this forum!
Register or Login on forum!

or get a phone 6947-043604.
Our office is based in Athens, will soon be at your disposal.
Please note that I do not answer phone or emails without concealing items concerned.
Always at your disposal
Chrysospathi Andreas

and the matter should not be deleted, like these guys make money at the expense of each desperately tries to stand on their own feet
FILE Carl not afraid, no legal cover anyone does not have specifically in England
and if we live in Europe should echi all the machine's paper and the degree of the manufacturer with a Diploma profession and number engkriseos
the echi;
EASY Paris


or if one wish babelfish:

geo it translated what I write in order that him occupy the friends sum double-faced are the press
[as] they read what writing in [istioselida] specifically in the department abut and [as] thinks little
http://crypton.com.gr/about.html (http://98.139.168.220/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=el_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fcrypton.com.gr%2fabout.html)
when here [diloni] that it does not also sell they is in the stage of cadets still that in the page [anaferi] that [echi] instruments for demonstration and are only sold wholesale
[as] they throw also a glance in the date of beginning of page and they will occupy [foymara] that it unleashes reading here
http://paskam.forumup.gr/about173-paskam.html (http://98.139.168.220/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=el_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fpaskam.forumup.gr%2fabout173-paskam.html)
while with big pomposity it had [xekinisi] the sales from the summertime and a affixing from [grafomena] front this they disappear also him


pidetect



They participate: 10 [Ian] 11
Publications: 4

It was published: Subject of publication: STATEMENT
Begins from today the disposal in each interested distillatory Crypton with code model obmd-1.
The delay resulted, because a programmed official trial, with registration video, certain for Wednesday 28-07-2011 was cancelled.
The cancellation of trial became, because existed “requirement” from member, afterwards the trial and the registration in videos of trial, is given to him “for his free personal use of certain time” instrument, for his own trials, in order to “it pronounces” if it should it makes statements in the forums.
In this case, it was judged necessary becomes the cancellation and we henceforth give the right in our each customer make alone him statements on the reliability or no our appliance, passing all the without substance moreover verifications from not our customers.
His possibilities, as I have reported in previously posts are concrete.
Biggest scope 30 metres, only for in the old days [thammena] objects. Detection with order of priority 1. Golden 2. Silver 3. Coper.
Is not required concrete course ([pch] North-south) that has as basic criterion of elsewhere type [apostatika] for the research. It does not play no role if the research becomes day or night. It does not work however who near from 50 metres in [M]/[T] or cables of high tendency.
I only want to mark again, that it is the unique Worldwide appliance, that it can detection a objective from far and be confirmed the point of objective with precision in the metre.
The use of appliance is really simple and does not require particular faculties from the operator.
The price is fixed in the 3800 [eyro] moreover VAT. Each [apostatiko] is accompanied obligatorily by tariff of Sale, the relative guarantee and Serial Number.
Until end August, because concrete orders to the abroad, will be delivered minimal instruments in the domestic Market, only with order and concrete date of delivery.
For the first three items of order exclusively from the members paskam-forum, [dothei] handing-over of acquaintance 20%.
Also for the holders three first distillatory, I will undertake personally the education and use of appliance with our customer.
August will begin also the operation of our web page.
For your orders, you can send message in
Only registered users can read the signatures in this forum!
Be written or Connected in the forum!

or me you take telephone in 6947-043604.
Our office with seat Athens, at an early date will be in your disposal.
Mark, that I do not answer in telephone with dissimulation or emails without elements interested.
Always in your disposal
[Chrysospathis] Andreas

and the subject this [prepi] deletion, something such [magkes] they make money in weight each brought to despair that [prospathi] raise itself in his apron
friend Karl you specifically do not fear, no legal cover [echi] in England
and provided that we live in Europe [prepi] [echi] the all papers of instrument and the degree of constructor with empty [exaskiseos] profession and number [engkriseos]
[echi]?
friendlily [paris]

[WM6]

Maximum range of 30 feet, only for old buried objects.

I just want to note again, that is the world's only device that can detect a target from a distance and to confirm the point of the target accurately measure.



How old buried object have to be to detect something? 1.000 years? 999,99 years?

If world's only device that can detect a target from a distance cannot detect fresh buried gold from say 3m then it cannot detect old buried gold from 30 feet too.

"only for old buried objects" is only producer excuse in advance, cause he know that his creation will fail to detect something in real use.

[Geo]

From what I understand, a PCB was posted on another forum. Geo wants to use that PCB image and reverse-engineer a schematic to post on this forum.

That is allowed, both by these forum rules and by most any legal guidelines.

- Carl

Thank you Carl.
I will try to finish the reverse engineering and to put here the schematic. Most components will not have values but i believe that this is not a problem so to understand how much good works this special technology:lol:.
For obvious reasons, from now on i will call this detector Cryfton :lol:

Regards:)

[Geo]

WM6, thanks for the translation:thumb:.
Later i will try to edit some errors (little)

[Geo]

A small edit at WM6 translation:)

Begins from today the disposal in each interested the LRL Crypton with code model obmd-1.
The delay resulted, because a programmed official test, with registration video, certain for Wednesday 28-07-2011 was cancelled.
The cancellation of test became, because existed “requirement” from member, afterwards the test and the registration in videos of test, to give it to him “for his free personal use of certain time” instrument, for his own trials, in order to “it pronounces” if it should it makes statements in the forums.
((In this case, it was judged necessary becomes the cancellation and we henceforth give the right in our each customer make alone him statements on the reliability or no our appliance, passing all the without substance moreover verifications from not our customers. ..--very bad translate... let it))))
His possibilities, as I have reported in previously posts are concrete.
Biggest scope 30 metres, only for in the old days buried objects. Detection with order of priority 1. Golden 2. Silver 3. Coper.
Is not required concrete course ( North-south) that has as basic criterion of elsewhere type lrl for the research. It does not play no role if the research becomes day or night. It does not work however who near from 50 metres in [M]/[T] or cables of high tendency.
I only want to mark again, that it is the unique Worldwide appliance, that it can detection a objective from far and be confirmed the point of objective with precision in one meter.
The use of appliance is really simple and does not require particular faculties from the operator.
The price is fixed in the 3800 euro moreover VAT. Each LRL is accompanied obligatorily by tariff of Sale, the relative guarantee and Serial Number.
Until end August, because concrete orders to the abroad, will be delivered minimal instruments in the domestic Market, only with order and concrete date of delivery.
For the first three items of order exclusively from the members paskam-forum, [will giving] handing-over of acquaintance 20%.
Also for the first three lrl, I will undertake personally the education and use of appliance with our customer.
August will begin also the operation of our web page.
(((((For your orders, you can send message in ....
Only registered users can read the signatures in this forum!
Be written or Connected in the forum!
or you can phone me at 6947-043604. )))))
Our office with seat Athens, at an early date will be in your disposal.
Mark, that I do not answer in telephone with dissimulation or emails without elements interested.
Always in your disposal
Chrysospathis Andreas
and this thread (post) must not deletion, because some "persons" they make money in weight each brought to despair that try raise itself in his apron
friend Carl you specifically do not fear, he has not legal cover in USA,
and since we live in Europe should have all the machine's paper, and Diploma manufacturer profession, and approval number
Does he has them????

Regards:)

[ANDREAS]

I see again attack my person from goldmaniac and Geo.
Thank you for this. I am so happy, because, some people my country don't like my success.
Yes i draw a real LRL. This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.
But I found a problem and I cannot give authorisation still for sales if I don't have solution for this.
OBMD-1 work perfect with dry ground normal or hot days, but October tests my country, with wetted ground, after rain and high humidity, i see.. detection range is very poor with small false signals.
After this i redraw all circuit (duty cycle pulse, IR sensor receiver etc,etc) .
Now with my person tests and three customers my country, i think OBMD-1 with new mods work fine, but i cannot give authorisation before make a real big test with very cold days, high humidity and 2-3days rain.
I don't like sell a machine all world and this machine don't work, for example, north europe with high humidity and wetted ground.
I need customer has success
I believe this months i find my country this weather for finish all test.
After this i can give authorisation start crypton website, i can give authorisation for dealers.
Thank you again Geo and Goldmaniac for make publicity.
They know very well, their friends saw with eyes the success of tests, but "the envy" sometimes is more... powerful for logic.

Thank's again

[Geo]

I see again attack my person from goldmaniac and Geo.
Thank you for this. I am so happy, because, some people my country don't like my success.
Yes i draw a real LRL. This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.
But I found a problem and I cannot give authorisation still for sales if I don't have solution for this.
OBMD-1 work perfect with dry ground normal or hot days, but October tests my country, with wetted ground, after rain and high humidity, i see.. detection range is very poor with small false signals.
After this i redraw all circuit (duty cycle pulse, IR sensor receiver etc,etc) .
Now with my person tests and three customers my country, i think OBMD-1 with new mods work fine, but i cannot give authorisation before make a real big test with very cold days, high humidity and 2-3days rain.
I don't like sell a machine all world and this machine don't work, for example, north europe with high humidity and wetted ground.
I need customer has success
I believe this months i find my country this weather for finish all test.
After this i can give authorisation start crypton website, i can give authorisation for dealers.
Thank you again Geo and Goldmaniac for make publicity.
They know very well, their friends saw with eyes the success of tests, but "the envy" sometimes is more... powerful for logic.

Thank's again


Hi Andreas.
I personally do not make you attack. Publishing the schematic of your lrl, does not mean that i attacking you. YOU wrote in your page that your detector is not affected by hours, seasons, humidity, magnetic fields etc. Had you done tests before writing them to your site;;;
With the schematic that you use do not expect much.
I wish you success with Cryfton and I will continue to advertise You.

Regards

[WM6]

This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.



"only paramagnetic"???

Andreas, evidently you even do not know what paramagnetic mean. Read this:

Paramagnetic metals have a small and positive susceptibility to magnetic fields. These materials are slightly attracted by a magnetic field and the material does not retain the magnetic properties when the external field is removed. Paramagnetic properties are due to the presence of some unpaired electrons, and from the realignment of the electron orbits caused by the external magnetic field. Paramagnetic materials include magnesium, molybdenum, lithium, and tantalum.

So, you are searching for "old buried" magnesium, lithium and tantalum? Be sure that all those metal are very very "old buried" so no problem to find it. By the way, Niobium (the name comes from Greek mythology: Niobe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niobe)), most rare metal which worth more than gold, is paramagnetic too, so you are on right way, but only on wrong place - you need to move to Nigeria or Congo.

The only 100% with your creation is, that it is pure guarantee 100% fraud and para-scientific para-LRL. Left here aside your good or bad intention (no doubt that 3800 euro is good for you and at the same time bad for naive buyers).

Your here cited sentence ("... only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim.

[ANDREAS]

"only paramagnetic"???

Andreas, evidently you even do not know what paramagnetic mean. Read this:


The only 100% with your creation is, that it is pure guarantee 100% fraud and para-scientific para-LRL. Left here aside your good or bad intention (no doubt that 3800 euro is good for you and at the same time bad for naive buyers).

Your here cited sentence ("... only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim.
Only parmagnetic... sorry my false with translate. I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"
about "..is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim." Are you sure?:angry: Have you a machine? :angry: Are you customer? Logical you must be banned from administator, but i am sure administrator don't see this :rolleyes: No comments by me.
regards

[WM6]

Only parmagnetic... sorry my false with translate. I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"
about "..is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim." Are you sure?:angry: Have you a machine? :angry: Are you customer? Logical you must be banned from administator, but i am sure administrator don't see this :rolleyes: No comments by me.
regards

False with translate?
How can you translate "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu" into "paramagnetic"?
Except if you have no idea what you create, which seems is true.

Yes, I am 100% sure, as you are "100%" sure. Till to be scientifically proven who is right. I am ready to make a valid test of your creation, are you too?

If it is nothing wrong with your 3800 euro unproven scam claim, then what can be wrong with my free of charge claim?

Of course I understand that you wish I am disappear far away from your fraud business. I will not disappear.

I repeat: your sentence ("... detect only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim. To prevent serious scientifically based tests - nothing else. Cause you well know that your creation will fail all serious tests, but you have prepared excuse: "this is not old buried metal". O yea, this is not old buried - this only old scamming trick.

[Geo]

False with translate?
How can you translate "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu" into "paramagnetic"?
Except if you have no idea what you create, which seems is true.

Yes, I am 100% sure, as you are "100%" sure. Till to be scientifically proven who is right. I am ready to make a valid test of your creation, are you too?

If it is nothing wrong with your 3800 euro unproven scam claim, then what can be wrong with my free of charge claim?

Of course I understand that you wish I am disappear far away from your fraud business. I will not disappear.

I repeat: your sentence ("... detect only ... old buried metal ...") is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim. To prevent serious scientifically based tests - nothing else. Cause you well know that your creation will fail all serious tests, but you have prepared excuse: "this is not old buried metal". O yea, this is not old buried - this only old scamming trick.



:lol::lol:

[Morgan]

Only parmagnetic... sorry my false with translate. I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"
about "..is typical excuse-in-advance-scamming-claim." Are you sure?:angry: Have you a machine? :angry: Are you customer? Logical you must be banned from administator, but i am sure administrator don't see this :rolleyes: No comments by me.
regards


Hi Andreas

I believe your CRYPTON is a true LRL,100% as you said.
But what about the other model PD magic you put in youtube??? i tought this one is the best...

good luck with the Crypton project

[WM6]

I believe your CRYPTON is a true LRL,100% as you said.



Dear Morgan I belive too, that those Crypton is a true 100% LRL, sadly this not mean that Crypton can detect something like gold and silver in real field.

Crypton is developed and build to find only one really big finding in his lifetime. Only one big finding in all his lifetime! Do you wish to know which big finding?

[Morgan]

Dear Morgan I belive too, that those Crypton is a true 100% LRL, sadly this not mean that Crypton can detect something like gold and silver in real field.

Crypton is developed and build to find only one really big finding in his lifetime. Only one big finding in all his lifetime! Do you wish to know which big finding?

maybe the 3800 E ?

[WM6]

maybe the 3800 E ?



Bingo! You are hard right, dear Morgan. 3800 Euro will be the only finding in whole lifetime of those 100% Crypton.

[Geo]

WM6, you are very hard.
The IR led inside the LRL is very expensive.:lol:

[WM6]

WM6, you are very hard.
The IR led inside the LRL is very expensive.:lol:

Very good Geo, so naive buyer can compensate lost by reseling expensive led via eBay.

I think that more propulsive marketing name for those device would be CRAPTON.

[g-sani]

Very good Geo, so naive buyer can compensate lost by reseling expensive led via eBay.

I think that more propulsive marketing name for those device would be CRAPTON.

Hallo WM6,
A very good idea for all the rest of us over here is if you Morgan or Geo and also anybody else that is expert in electronics could make LRLs for us paying you just the cost price for parts and electronic components.
Of course this will be very nice of you and also good for everybodys pocket.:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes, anybody would love this. :D

[WM6]

Hallo WM6,
A very good idea for all the rest of us over here is if you Morgan or Geo and also anybody else that is expert in electronics could make LRLs for us paying you just the cost price for parts and electronic components.
Of course this will be very nice of you and also good for everybodys pocket.:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes, anybody would love this. :D

Why not, good idea.

But, I have not the slightest intention to produce and sell something, only complete and precise plans for free how to build it for anyone.

To say about present situation, I have already developed and built real scientifical based electronic dowsing rod, only need some time to build it in form of pistol and post it here. This for those who ask for real electronic dowsing rod.

Next I have in concept (in schematic) remote sensing device. Not for kilometers or XYx10m as by known fraudster only for distance not detectable by available MD. For target as 20x20 plate and bigger. Based on the principle of radar. Not yet developed and build as working device but on basis some past experiments with such circuits I consider concept as promising. All clear and repeatable plans and total free.

So save your money and wait in first half of 2012 will all be out.

I hope for some new working, repeatable, clear and free schematic from Geo, Morgan, J_P, Esteban, and other known LRL builders too.

[g-sani]

Why not, good idea.

But, I have not the slightest intention to produce and sell something, only complete and precise plans for free how to build it for anyone.

To say about present situation, I have already developed and built real scientifical based electronic dowsing rod, only need some time to build it in form of pistol and post it here. This for those who ask for real electronic dowsing rod.

Next I have in concept (in schematic) remote sensing device. Not for kilometers or XYx10m as by known fraudster only for distance not detectable by available MD. For target as 20x20 plate and bigger. Based on the principle of radar. Not yet developed and build as working device but on basis some past experiments with such circuits I consider concept as promising. All clear and repeatable plans and total free.

So save your money and wait in first half of 2012 will all be out.

I hope for some new working, repeatable, clear and free schematic from Geo, Morgan, J_P, Esteban, and other known LRL builders too.

Hi WM6, this is very good news.
I remember you talking about the electronic dowsing rod in some other thread.I am not sure but I think that you also put the schematic in the forum.
You see I believe that you are willing to give full info about these projects but you know that the rest of the people whenever they put something here it is always incomplete and this for a guy that has no relation to electronics looks like mission impossible.
Of course I don't blame anybody that keeps things for himself but if you think of yourself into the position of the inexperienced you know that he is completely lost and he will never do it.
You must in other words understand that most of the people will always buy.Some others want their LRLs to have a proffesional built quality and some others like you don't care at all about that as long as they are working.On the same hand the definition of the working LRL might be completely different for you than me or somebody else.
Some people spend over $200 for a pair of shoes and some others have never spend more than $50 for them eventhough they have enough money to spend. Does this say anything to you? Or can you say that they are wrong? It is only that you express your personal opinion in a matter and nothing else.
When it comes to Crypton now I asked Andrea to borrow it to me for testing and he kindly did it.Mind you that I didn't know Andrea before that.
This is not everybodys behaviour or practice if you understand what I mean. Myself while on treasure hunting I am enjoying working whith different LRLs trying to figure out what is this tiny part the distant locator in use can offer in order to take advantage on calculating the position of a possible target.
May be Crypton has also a few particularities as a working LRL but definately is a tool out in the field and I believe there will be a time that it will give me some treasure.
If this will be big or small it won't really matter as long as it will happen.
Regards
g-sani

[J_Player]

Hi WM6, this is very good news.
I remember you talking about the electronic dowsing rod in some other thread.I am not sure but I think that you also put the schematic in the forum.
You see I believe that you are willing to give full info about these projects but you know that the rest of the people whenever they put something here it is always incomplete and this for a guy that has no relation to electronics looks like mission impossible.
Of course I don't blame anybody that keeps things for himself but if you think of yourself into the position of the inexperienced you know that he is completely lost and he will never do it.
You must in other words understand that most of the people will always buy.Some others want their LRLs to have a proffesional built quality and some others like you don't care at all about that.Some spend $200 for a pair of shoes and some others never spend more than $50 about them eventhough they have enough money to spend.
When it comes to Crypton now I asked Andrea to borrow it to me for testing and he kindly did it.Mind you that I didn't know Andrea before that.
This is not anybodys behaviour or practice if you understand what I mean.
While on treasure hunting I am enjoying working whith different LRLs trying to figure out what is this tiny part the distant locator in use can offer in order to take advantage on calculating the position of a possible target.
May be Crypton has also a few particularities as a working LRL but definately is a tool out in the field and I believe there will be a time that it will give me some treasure.
If this will be big or small it won't really matter as long as it will happen.Hi g-sani,
You tell a very interesting story.
For most commercial LRLs I think they do not work.
But for Crypton I cannot know if it works before I see the reports from people who use them.
I cannot know the Crypton performance because we do not have years of reports like we have for Mineoro and Omnitron.
Also, I know very certainly that Andreas is a fine electronic engineer.
I do not think he will produce circuits that do nothing.
So I will wait until after I see many reports from owners of the Crypton before I make my opinion of how well does the Crypton work.

You have shown one video and report for the Crypton.
But I also remember you bought the RangerTell Examiner.
Did you also make tests with the Examiner?
How is the performance from the Examiner?
Does it locate treasure better than the Crypton?
Or does it locate treasure worse than the Crypton?
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Some people spend over $200 for a pair of shoes and some others have never spend more than $50 for them eventhough they have enough money to spend. Does this say anything to you? Or can you say that they are wrong? It is only that you express your personal opinion in a matter and nothing else.



Yes this is freedom of decision between different possibilities. But to have those freeedom one need first to know all his possibilities. It is relatively easy in case of shoes.

But what in case of LRL, if you are only bombarded with fraudulating scam LRL promotion? You have no chance for freedom decision. So sceptic are here to give you other opinion and info of other possibilities. With sceptic you get full freedom for your final decision: to buy something cheap and working like MD or extremly (if for one not even catastrophic) expensive and in almost all cases nonworking things like LRL.

[Geo]

Finally what to believe;;;
My friend Gsani at the video shown the Cryfton, saying that what he found was a missile of ball, ie lead.
But Andreas underlined that the Cryfton detects only Au, Ag and Cu:rolleyes:.
Therefore my friend George detected the missile of ball with the metal detector and not with the Cryfton.


Regards:)

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,
You tell a very interesting story.
For most commercial LRLs I think they do not work.
But for Crypton I cannot know if it works before I see the reports from people who use them.
I cannot know the Crypton performance because we do not have years of reports like we have for Mineoro and Omnitron.
Also, I know very certainly that Andreas is a fine electronic engineer.
I do not think he will produce circuits that do nothing.
So I will wait until after I see many reports from owners of the Crypton before I make my opinion of how well does the Crypton work.

You have shown one video and report for the Crypton.
But I also remember you bought the RangerTell Examiner.
Did you also make tests with the Examiner?
How is the performance from the Examiner?
Does it locate treasure better than the Crypton?
Or does it locate treasure worse than the Crypton?
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif


Best wishes,
J_P

Hallo J_P,
Yes I also bought the Rt Examiner you got very good memory.
There is no comparison between Crypton and RT.
You know very well that RT is involving dowsing in its operation when Crypton is all electronics.
Better say that if somebody can dowse then in his hands all LRLs involving swiveling are working.
So allthough I found things whith RT I cannot guarantee you that is working for everybody.Now a friend of mine is got it and he loves it.He discovered a place whith some bronze coins spread all over the place but I also remember him finding coins whith his rods a couple of times. So what can I say?
Apart from that I undestood that something is changing when you try to adjust using the only button.
As far as Crypton concerns Andreas designed a beutifull machine.Very good design quality wooden box, light, whith nice buttons-adjustments and really sensitive.
To give you an idea about its sensitivity once there was a big transformer of the electricity company at 60 meters away and about five meters above ground and I could get it easily everytime I was passing the detector from this direction.
Check photo to understand what I am talking about.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/4024/imagescacie4x4.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/imagescacie4x4.jpg/)

Regards
g-sani

[J_Player]

Hallo J_P,
Yes I also bought the Rt Examiner you got very good memory.
There is no comparison between Crypton and RT.
You know very well that RT is involving dowsing in its operation when Crypton is all electronics.
Better say that if somebody can dowse then in his hands all LRLs involving swiveling are working.
So allthough I found things whith RT I cannot guarantee you that is working for everybody.Now a friend of mine is got it and he loves it.He discovered a place whith some bronze coins spread all over the place but I also remember him finding coins whith his rods a couple of times. So what can I say?
Apart from that I undestood that something is changing when you try to adjust using the only button.
As far as Crypton concerns Andreas designed a beutifull machine.Very good design quality wooden box, light, whith nice buttons-adjustments and really sensitive.
To give you an idea about its sensitivity once there was a big transformer of the electricity company at 60 meters away and about five meters above ground and I could get it easily everytime I was passing the detector from this direction.
Check photo to understand what I am talking about.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/4024/imagescacie4x4.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/imagescacie4x4.jpg/)

Regards
g-saniHi g-sani,
Thank you for your report.
I agree with you.
From every test I see with the Examiner I see it does not work any different than dowsing.
So far, I have seen maybe 40 people try to locate things, and nobody can find the target if they do not know where it is hidden.
But these are not people who are dowsers.
So maybe I will see different results for people who do dowsing.

You get very long detection for a large transformer.
I wonder how much distance users will find for gold and silver buried things.
So far I only see your video showing your treasure hunt.
Now it is time to wait for other owners of Crypton to report the performance they find.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

I know 2 persons that had not good results with Cryfton.

[Rubin]

I know 2 persons that had not good results with Cryfton.
Dear Geo
Can you explain more for 2 persons and results with crypton?

[g-sani]

[QUOTE=Geo;140412]I know 2 persons that had not good results with Cryfton.[/QUOTE

Hi Geo,
It will be very interesting to talk whith them Geo.I would like to listen to their experience whith it.Please invite them to discuss it over here if there is no problem.
To tell you the truth I believe they are lying(????) and they never had a Crypton in their hands.
So please ask them to just show some picture of themselves holding a Crypton and then we can listen to them what they say.
It is been fashionable lately and particularily in Greek forums people talking about detectors that they have never seen before not even in a photo.
Regards
g-sani

[Geo]

I can't tell more.
George, i don't speak about tyrempora.....
There are two other persons who tried it.
I don't like to tell more because i was not there. And i don't speak about Greek forums.

Regards:)

Btw.. iam looking to find 2 videos from Esteban where he locates a target at his home to see how works this detector. The detector from Esteban was similar to Crypton.

[Geo]

Dear Geo
Can you explain more for 2 persons and results with crypton?

Hi.
As i replied to gsani , i don't like to tell more. I know that they tried the Cryfton at an ancient place with a lot of buried objects and they did not take any beep. But i don't know anything more about weather conditions... etc

[g-sani]

This is why I am saying that they are rumors around and nothing else.

[J_Player]

This is why I am saying that they are rumors around and nothing else.This is exactly correct.
If a story cannot be told for all the details, so we can check with the people who made the tests to see if it is true, then it is only a rumor, and it should not be told at all.
If two people really had this experience with Crypton, then they can come here and tell their story.
If they do not come here to tell their story, then their story is only a rumor.

Anybody could make the same rumors for different story.
I could say I know there are two people who found more than 40 ounces of gold artifacts of ancient Byzantine treasures and roman coins buried when using Crypton, but I can't say more.
Even if my story is true, then it is still nothing more than a rumor because nobody can confirm it is true or not true.
Maybe mu rumor story is the same as telling true fishing stories.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

This is exactly correct.
If a story cannot be told for all the details, so we can check with the people who made the tests to see if it is true, then it is only a rumor, and it should not be told at all.
If two people really had this experience with Crypton, then they can come here and tell their story.
If they do not come here to tell their story, then their story is only a rumor.

Anybody could make the same rumors for different story.
I could say I know there are two people who found more than 40 ounces of gold artifacts of ancient Byzantine treasures and roman coins buried when using Crypton, but I can't say more.
Even if my story is true, then it is still nothing more than a rumor because nobody can confirm it is true or not true.
Maybe mu rumor story is the same as telling true fishing stories.


Best wishes, :)
J_P


Hi J_P.
You are absolute with certain things, but it is not always so.
Did you ever think, if these people are some people of the Cryfton company, so there will never say publicly that this detector has a problem;;;;
One Case!!!!:cool:

Regards:)

[Geo]

This is why I am saying that they are rumors around and nothing else.

You know very well that I never:nono: speak to air.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
You are absolute with certain things, but it is not always so.
Did you ever think, if these people are some people of the Cryfton company, so there will never say publicly that this detector has a problem;;;;
One Case!!!!:cool:

Regards:)Yes Geo,
I did think there might be people at the Crypton company who will not make all their internal testing public.
I think this is true for most companies.
I think most companies release only the test results which they approve for public release.

But still, whether a rumor is true or not, it remains a rumor until it can be verified to be accurate.
And you already told us it cannot be verified because you cannot say more about this rumor.

But we see a much different story for the French Mineoro dealer....
We see the story that Morgan told was not a rumor because he showed us the written statement that was made by the company worker...
We do not see only some rumor stories that Morgan told.
If you want people to believe the rumor you post here, then why don't you post a written statement from these workers as Morgan did?

Do you understand the difference between a rumor and a verifiable historical event?
Already you are trying to decide what to believe before we even see what treasure hunters are reporting.
The only actual report of using the Crypton I can see was made by g-sani.
He said he likes it, and he showed a demonstration of him using it.
I wait to see more reports from actual users so I can make an informed opinion of how I think it works.
I do not believe rumors which cannot be checked to determine if they are accurate or not.
I ignore rumors until I see evidence they are true.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.

You ignores rumors, But I must tell what I know:cool:

Regards:)

[g-sani]

Yes Geo,
I did think there might be people at the Crypton company who will not make all their internal testing public.
I think this is true for most companies.
I think most companies release only the test results which they approve for public release.

But still, whether a rumor is true or not, it remains a rumor until it can be verified to be accurate.
And you already told us it cannot be verified because you cannot say more about this rumor.

But we see a much different story for the French Mineoro dealer....
We see the story that Morgan told was not a rumor because he showed us the written statement that was made by the company worker...
We do not see only some rumor stories that Morgan told.
If you want people to believe the rumor you post here, then why don't you post a written statement from these workers as Morgan did?

Do you understand the difference between a rumor and a verifiable historical event?
Already you are trying to decide what to believe before we even see what treasure hunters are reporting.
The only actual report of using the Crypton I can see was made by g-sani.
He said he likes it, and he showed a demonstration of him using it.
I wait to see more reports from actual users so I can make an informed opinion of how I think it works.
I do not believe rumors which cannot be checked to determine if they are accurate or not.
I ignore rumors until I see evidence they are true.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

I will tell you another story J_P to understand the situation.
Andreas a couple of months ago offered to the Greek forum to give them a detector to test it.He asked them to choose their representitives and give them the detector for 1 or 2 weeks and when they like.Anyway this didn't finally go as they were planing and for some reason something else happened instead.
Andreas took his LRL and went there and visited them but this was in a different box than the one which is used for Crypton today.
They took him up to the mountains to test it in a place he didn't know before and they asked him to demonstrated it there.
So Andreas did his search and he ended up whith 5-6 spots of about 1 sq.meter each.
Then they used the MD they had and they confirmed 4 of the targets.They unearthed them and I remember that it was 2 coins and also something else.Also it was a target they didn't dig and one or two not possible to corfirm whith their MD. Anyway I am not very accurate whith these numbers but this is not my point anyway.
So after that they agreed that the LRL was successfull detecting from distance and after some days they started complain that in the place they took him was many coins around.
How can you say a thing like that when it was left to you to choose the place and how can you accuse him that Crypton is something else from the one he demonstrated to you that day? Do you know what was in that box that time or you know what is inside Crypton now? Cuessing is far away from truth and in this situation means nothing.
Andreas offered them the LRL to test it for a week or so and these people instead of saying "thank you" complained that this period was not enough so they didn't do it.
Instead of doing what was right for themselves by keeping a low polite profile taking the oportunity for the test they prefered to accuse him calling him names showing a very bad attitude. You didn't like his detector? He is there to tell him and let him know what you think otherwise he wouldn't offer you testing it.
We are here to make friends and talk all things out. Isn't it?
We must do our hobby as everything in life trying to learn and become better. But yes, I believe that we are here also to learn and not just have a nice time.
They are people treasure hunting just for glory and they want through this to verify themselves compared to the others. The truth is I don't really like them.
I am doing it for my own pleasure but I wouldn't mind if I get the results as well.
That is all.

All the best
g-sani

[Geo]

I will tell you another story J_P to understand the situation.
Andreas a couple of months ago offered to the Greek forum to give them a detector to test it.He asked them to choose their representitives and give them the detector for 1 or 2 weeks and when they like.Anyway this didn't finally go as they were planing and for some reason something else happened instead.
Andreas took his LRL and went there and visited them but this was in a different box than the one which is used for Crypton today.
They took him up to the mountains to test it in a place he didn't know before and they asked him to demonstrated it there.
So Andreas did his search and he ended up whith 5-6 spots of about 1 sq.meter each.
Then they used the MD they had and they confirmed 4 of the targets.They unearthed them and I remember that it was 2 coins and also something else.Also it was a target they didn't dig and one or two not possible to corfirm whith their MD. Anyway I am not very accurate whith these numbers but this is not my point anyway.
So after that they agreed that the LRL was successfull detecting from distance and after some days they started complain that in the place they took him was many coins around.
How can you say a thing like that when it was left to you to choose the place and how can you accuse him that Crypton is something else from the one he demonstrated to you that day? Do you know what was in that box that time or you know what is inside Crypton now? Cuessing is far away from truth and in this situation means nothing.
Andreas offered them the LRL to test it for a week or so and these people instead of saying "thank you" complained that this period was not enough so they didn't do it.
Instead of doing what was right for themselves by keeping a low polite profile taking the oportunity for the test they prefered to accuse him calling him names showing a very bad attitude. You didn't like his detector? He is there to tell him and let him know what you think otherwise he wouldn't offer you testing it.
We are here to make friends and talk all things out. Isn't it?
We must do our hobby as everything in life trying to learn and become better. But yes, I believe that we are here also to learn and not just have a nice time.
They are people treasure hunting just for glory and they want through this to verify themselves compared to the others. The truth is I don't really like them.
I am doing it for my own pleasure but I wouldn't mind if I get the results as well.
That is all.

All the best
g-sani


Αυτο που κολαει παλι????
Μην με αναγκαζεις να πω ονοματα, η δοκιμη εγινε στην περιοχη μου σε αρχαιολογικο χωρο και δεν εκανε Κιχ. Ο ενας της παρεας ηταν αυτος που το διαφημιζε τοσο πολυ.
Μηπως σου λεει τιποτα?????

Regards:)

[Rubin]

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

[J_Player]

I will tell you another story J_P to understand the situation.
Andreas a couple of months ago offered to the Greek forum to give them a detector to test it.He asked them to choose their representitives and give them the detector for 1 or 2 weeks and when they like.Anyway this didn't finally go as they were planing and for some reason something else happened instead.
Andreas took his LRL and went there and visited them but this was in a different box than the one which is used for Crypton today.
They took him up to the mountains to test it in a place he didn't know before and they asked him to demonstrated it there.
So Andreas did his search and he ended up whith 5-6 spots of about 1 sq.meter each.
Then they used the MD they had and they confirmed 4 of the targets.They unearthed them and I remember that it was 2 coins and also something else.Also it was a target they didn't dig and one or two not possible to corfirm whith their MD. Anyway I am not very accurate whith these numbers but this is not my point anyway.
So after that they agreed that the LRL was successfull detecting from distance and after some days they started complain that in the place they took him was many coins around.
How can you say a thing like that when it was left to you to choose the place and how can you accuse him that Crypton is something else from the one he demonstrated to you that day? Do you know what was in that box that time or you know what is inside Crypton now? Cuessing is far away from truth and in this situation means nothing.
Andreas offered them the LRL to test it for a week or so and these people instead of saying "thank you" complained that this period was not enough so they didn't do it.
Instead of doing what was right for themselves by keeping a low polite profile taking the oportunity for the test they prefered to accuse him calling him names showing a very bad attitude. You didn't like his detector? He is there to tell him and let him know what you think otherwise he wouldn't offer you testing it.
We are here to make friends and talk all things out. Isn't it?
We must do our hobby as everything in life trying to learn and become better. But yes, I believe that we are here also to learn and not just have a nice time.
They are people treasure hunting just for glory and they want through this to verify themselves compared to the others. The truth is I don't really like them.
I am doing it for my own pleasure but I wouldn't mind if I get the results as well.
That is all.

All the best
g-saniHi g-sani,

For me, I will be happy if somebody brings me a detector to test.
I will do like you did to see if it helps me to find treasures.
Maybe for me I will make my own tests too.
But I will not say the locator is successful for long range locating, and then complain
that test is no good because the ground I choose for making the test is not a good test location. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif

Anyway, I don't care about secret rumors from workers who do not make statements, and talk that nobody verify to be facts.
But I see there is the test that happened in the Greek forum.
And also I see Rubin makes his report for the Crypton.
Now I have two reports from people who have actually used the Crypton to tell us they like the performance they see.
And we hear Geo tell that the Crypton does not detect gold, silver or copper, but he did not use the Crypton.
Maybe Geo can tell us how we can verify his claim that the Crypton detects magnetic fields anomalies.
Maybe if Geo uses the Crypton in his hands then he will have a chance to make a report to tell what he sees the Crypton detect or does not detect.

So I wait to hear more reports before I make my opinion for the Crypton.
For now I am happy that some people like the Crypton.
This means maybe there is a chance it will be good for treasure hunters.
We can see more reports after the Crypton is used for more time in the field.


Best wishes, ;)
J_P

[J_Player]

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regardsHi Rubin,
If you ever decide to make a demonstration video, then I will be interested to see your video.
And if you do not make a video, I still will like to hear your report for how the UBMD-1 works.
Can you say if it detects only gold and silver and copper?
Did you see the ONMD-1 detect iron or other metals?

I am interested to know how this locator performs.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[g-sani]

Hi Rubin,
If you ever decide to make a demonstration video, then I will be interested to see your video.
And if you do not make a video, I still will like to hear your report for how the UBMD-1 works.
Can you say if it detects only gold and silver and copper?
Did you see the ONMD-1 detect iron or other metals?

I am interested to know how this locator performs.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Well as long as you have a very sensitive detector in your hands I believe that in case of the absence of the three precious metals you might also see that you are geting something similar or close to them. I think this is understandable when you have the fine sensitivity button in your fingers.
I cannot tell you if there was some silver or copper in that old bullet but I can tell you for sure that there was a lot more copper in that goats bell.That was big as a find but may be not that old.
I threw away the bullet but I still got the bell. :D

Regards
g-sani

[g-sani]

Αυτο που κολαει παλι????
Μην με αναγκαζεις να πω ονοματα, η δοκιμη εγινε στην περιοχη μου σε αρχαιολογικο χωρο και δεν εκανε Κιχ. Ο ενας της παρεας ηταν αυτος που το διαφημιζε τοσο πολυ.
Μηπως σου λεει τιποτα?????

Regards:)

Oxι δεν ξερω τιποτε σχετικο. Δεν μπορω να πω πραγματα που δεν ξερω.
Ειμαι διαθεσιμος ομως να τα ακουσω. Δεν βλεπω το λογο καποιος να εχει αποψη και να μην παιρνει θεση. Με παραξενευει το γεγονος οτι δεν μου το ειπες αυτο οταν σου ειπα οτι τεσταρω το Κρυπτον.

I must translate this for everybody, it will be better.
Sorry I don't know anything about what you are talking. I cannot confirm things that I don't really know. But I am willing to listen.
I don't see a reason for somebody to have an experience whith Crypton and having a problem talking for it.
I am now also curious George for that time you called me and you said nothing to me related to this matter when myself reported to you that I am having Crypton testing it.
Was it something for me to hide from you? No it wasn't and I am not that complicated in my acts.
I told you whithout you asking me that I am having Crypton for test e.tc., e.t.c.... and you asked my opinion for it but you never told me what you knew.
Now you come over here saying that you knew this and that. :oh:
No, this is not good. :nono:
Sorry but I feel betrayed in some way.

[Geo]

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

Where i said it?????
I never took this machine at my hands....
Read again......

[Geo]

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

I have not any anger, sometimes i write to Greek because i don't like to make again checks with translator. You see my English is not so good as your.

[Geo]

Hahahahahahaha:lol::lol::lol:.
When Esteban wrote about the Andy Flid magnetic field detector, he hear so many .......
Now you made the Andy Flid (MFD) the best detector. Yes, it is the Andy Flid magnetic field detector with a two transistors antenna preamplifier and a IR that makes nothing:razz:.
But you can say and promote everything you want:lol:.
I wait Max, so to give him the schematic with the IR so to study it and to tell us how it works.......

I forecast a hot winter:lol:
Regards:cool:

[Geo]

Oxι δεν ξερω τιποτε σχετικο. Δεν μπορω να πω πραγματα που δεν ξερω.
Ειμαι διαθεσιμος ομως να τα ακουσω. Δεν βλεπω το λογο καποιος να εχει αποψη και να μην παιρνει θεση. Με παραξενευει το γεγονος οτι δεν μου το ειπες αυτο οταν σου ειπα οτι τεσταρω το Κρυπτον.

I must translate this for everybody, it will be better.
Sorry I don't know anything about what you are talking. I cannot confirm things that I don't really know. But I am willing to listen.
I don't see a reason for somebody to have an experience whith Crypton and having a problem talking for it.
I am now also curious George for that time you called me and you said nothing to me related to this matter when myself reported to you that I am having Crypton testing it.
Was it something for me to hide from you? No it wasn't and I am not that complicated in my acts.
I told you whithout you asking me that I am having Crypton for test e.tc., e.t.c.... and you asked my opinion for it but you never told me what you knew.
Now you come over here saying that you knew this and that. :oh:
No, this is not good. :nono:
Sorry but I feel betrayed in some way.

I will call today.

Regards:)

[Rubin]

Hi Rubin,
If you ever decide to make a demonstration video, then I will be interested to see your video.
And if you do not make a video, I still will like to hear your report for how the UBMD-1 works.
Can you say if it detects only gold and silver and copper?
Did you see the ONMD-1 detect iron or other metals?

I am interested to know how this locator performs.


Best wishes, :)
J_P
I use OBMD-1 two Months.
I make many-many personally tutorials tests before i am sure start search a target-area.
Usually i work with my MD together.
I explain you. First i find and lock target a place 1X1meter , then i use MD for find central point.
I find many-many copper coins, a silver baby ring and two interest objects ( very low cost).
For other metals ,i don't know. Maybe my hunting-area have not other metals.
Some tests by me with iron, i see my machine cannot detect iron, cannot detect a magnet-piece, but can detect TV up 5meters distance.
Sorry but i cannot publish photo's. I think you understand me.
Max detection by me distance 25meters. Max depth 25cm. I work only a big flat place without trees.
I cannot rec a video, because i have not camera for this
regards

[Morgan]

Hahahahahahaha:lol::lol::lol:.
When Esteban wrote about the Andy Flid magnetic field detector, he hear so many .......
Now you made the Andy Flid (MFD) the best detector. Yes, it is the Andy Flid magnetic field detector with a two transistors antenna preamplifier and a IR that makes nothing:razz:.
But you can say and promote everything you want:lol:.
I wait Max, so to give him the schematic with the IR so to study it and to tell us how it works.......

I forecast a hot winter:lol:
Regards:cool:



One Crypton LRL with Andy Flind circuit for 3800 Euro !!! :oh::oh::oh:

[hung]

Folks, I really don't understand what is goin on here. We, the LRL enthusiasts have been friends for a long time and now I see some of you making fun of others for developing their own LRLs? Are you people getting the skeptic's disease?
Well, I certainly hope not. But some behaviors here lately do remind me the skeptics and their agendas. Please don't fall in this trap.
Geo, you and some others apparently have working LRLs already but why you are picking and making fun of Andreas' device?

You people should join efforts and respect yourselves and not the other way around.
I remember once when I, you, Esteban and Andreas traded emails for discussing new types of LRLs. When I asked if one of you had comercial intentions as I did not agree with this goal, you both told you did not.

It's clear that you, him and Morgan are eager to start a comercial thing, but calm down.
First thing you have to learn is ethics with you compatriots.

Tough I don't agree with comercial intentions, I respect you and the others.
So, folks, please consider quit being hostile with one another and start respect again the LRL people.

As for Andreas' device, if it's indeed based on a magnetic field detector, I would not use a standard loop for this as there are much better sensor choices that would make a much better performance.
But I respect his work and I think you and the others should do the same.

Regars.

[WM6]

Are you people getting the skeptic's disease?



"... skeptic's disease?" ?

Skeptic's are the most healthy LRL enthusiasts in the world and best friends of LRL belivers.

We protect LRL believers from evil scam artist and fraudsters.

[Geo]

One Crypton LRL with Andy Flind circuit for 3800 Euro !!! :oh::oh::oh:

Yes, but it has very beautifull box.:lol:

[Geo]

Geo, you and some others apparently have working LRLs already but why you are picking and making fun of Andreas' device?

You people should join efforts and respect yourselves and not the other way around.
I remember once when I, you, Esteban and Andreas traded emails for discussing new types of LRLs. When I asked if one of you had comercial intentions as I did not agree with this goal, you both told you did not.

It's clear that you, him and Morgan are eager to start a comercial thing, but calm down.
First thing you have to learn is ethics with you compatriots.

Tough I don't agree with comercial intentions, I respect you and the others.
So, folks, please consider quit being hostile with one another and start respect again the LRL people.


Regars.

Hi Hung.
1. I don't interesting for commercial products.
2.As you see was not me the person who had commercial intentions.
3.I have not any plywood with Andreas but very simple i like the true, and this lrl is not as the Crypton says.


All are so simple.......:lol:

Regards:)

[Morgan]

"... skeptic's disease?" ?

Skeptic's are the most healthy LRL enthusiasts in the world and best friends of LRL belivers.

We protect LRL believers from evil scam artist and fraudsters.

hi,not comercial ideias,i made a few PDK to help people in treasure hunting,and they work good for this hobby.
it will be great for me in 2006 if someone offer me one LRL that work for the price 450 Euro i was very happy. but you know,i paid very big money for some mineoro,that the finds even pay for the batteries...

[g-sani]

"... skeptic's disease?" ?

Skeptic's are the most healthy LRL enthusiasts in the world and best friends of LRL belivers.

We protect LRL believers from evil scam artist and fraudsters.

Thank you very much, much obliged. :D

[J_Player]

...I have not any plywood with Andreas but very simple i like the true, and this lrl is not as the Crypton says.


All are so simple.......:lol:

Regards:)Hi Geo,
You say the OBMD-1 is not as Crypton says.
Is this your rumor, or do you have some evidence to show it is not as Crypton says?

I read what Crypton says above: This machine is not a gold detector, but a long range discrimination locator without filter between Au,Ag,Cu.
And here is what Andreas told us about the OBMD-1:Yes i draw a real LRL. This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.
But I found a problem and I cannot give authorisation still for sales if I don't have solution for this.
OBMD-1 work perfect with dry ground normal or hot days, but October tests my country, with wetted ground, after rain and high humidity,
i see.. detection range is very poor with small false signals.
After this i redraw all circuit (duty cycle pulse, IR sensor receiver etc,etc) .
Now with my person tests and three customers my country, i think OBMD-1 with new mods work fine,
but i cannot give authorisation before make a real big test with very cold days, high humidity and 2-3days rain.
I don't like sell a machine all world and this machine don't work, for example, north europe with high humidity and wetted ground.
I need customer has success
I believe this months i find my country this weather for finish all test.
After this i can give authorisation start crypton website, i can give authorisation for dealers.
Later Andreas made a correction to say it does not detect paramagnetic, only gold, silver and copper: I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"

Then I look at the reports from people who use the OBMD-1 in their hands to watch what it detects and does not detect.
I see two reports that say it detects non-ferrous metals, but it does not detect iron.
G-sani shows his video where he finds a bullet, and he says he detects non-ferrous things.
And I read where Rubin posted in the forum:"I find many-many copper coins, a silver baby ring and two interest objects ( very low cost).
For other metals ,i don't know. Maybe my hunting-area have not other metals.
Some tests by me with iron, i see my machine cannot detect iron, cannot detect a magnet-piece, but can detect TV up 5meters distance. "
Then I look at what you say about the OBMD-1 and I see you say it detects magnetic fields:"Now you made the Andy Flid (MFD) the best detector. Yes, it is the Andy Flid magnetic field detector with a two transistors antenna preamplifier and a IR that makes nothing"
It is hard for me to imagine the OBMD-1 uses a magnetic field detector after I hear two people say they watched it locate non-ferrous things like coins and a bullet.
Rubin said he cannot detect iron things or magnets with the OBMD-1.
I read what the people who have the OBMD-1 in their hand report they can see report the OBMD-1 detects non-ferrous, and does not detect magnets or iron.
Then I read where you report the OBMD-1 is an Andy Flind magnetic field detector with a 2-transistor antenna preamplifier.

I ask now, can you show some evidence that the OBMD-1 is an Andy Flind design magnetic field detector?
Or is the magnetic field detector circuit your rumor?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
You say the OBMD-1 is not as Crypton says.
Is this your rumor, or do you have some evidence to show it is not as Crypton says?

Or is the magnetic field detector circuit your rumor?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
You know me many years, and now you ask me if what i say is my rumor?????
Really i am sorry

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
You know me many years, and now you ask me if what i say is my rumor?????
Really i am sorry

Regards:)Exactly.
I know you do not tell lie, and I know g-sani does not tell lie.
So one of you is correct and other one is not correct for performance of the OBMD-1.
You do not lie, but I see many times you make rumors of things you only think but you do not know for fact.
Now I ask again.
Is this story of Andy Flind circuit inside the OBMD-1 a rumor or do you have evidence you can show to prove this is a fact?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Exactly.
I know you do not tell lie, and I know g-sani does not tell lie.
So one of you is correct and other one is not correct for performance of the OBMD-1.
You do not lie, but I see many times you make rumors of things you only think but you do not know for fact.
Now I ask again.
Is this story of Andy Flind circuit inside the OBMD-1 a rumor or do you have evidence you can show to prove this is a fact?

Best wishes, :)
J_P


Do you know Andy Flind schematic????

[Geo]

Exactly.
I know you do not tell lie, and I know g-sani does not tell lie.
So one of you is correct and other one is not correct for performance of the OBMD-1.
You do not lie, but I see many times you make rumors of things you only think but you do not know for fact.
Now I ask again.
Is this story of Andy Flind circuit inside the OBMD-1 a rumor or do you have evidence you can show to prove this is a fact?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

Gsani don't knows what has the box inside. I am sure that Gsani say true about some objects that he found but he did not make a lot of tests.

Regards

[J_Player]

Gsani don't knows what has the box inside. I am sure that Gsani say true about some objects that he found but he did not make a lot of tests.

RegardsCan you tell us about the tests you made where you saw the OBMD-1 detect magnets and iron that g-sani did not see?
Can you tell us what Andy Flind magnetic field detector parts you saw inside the box that g-sani used to locate only non-ferrous metal?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[g-sani]

May be I don't know the ccts inside but certainly only Andreas knows.
This is one fact and the other one is the finds I had testing it myself.
Oh yes, this a fact for sure! :lol:

[Geo]

Can you tell us about the tests you made where you saw the OBMD-1 detect magnets and iron that g-sani did not see?
Can you tell us what Andy Flind magnetic field detector parts you saw inside the box that g-sani used to locate only non-ferrous metal?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
Where i wrote that i detected magnets or anything else with this????
I wrote that this lrl is the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector.
If you know the schematic of Andy Flind then if you reverse the pcb you will see that it is this schematic:lol:

Regards:)

[Geo]

Can you tell us about the tests you made where you saw the OBMD-1 detect magnets and iron that g-sani did not see?
Can you tell us what Andy Flind magnetic field detector parts you saw inside the box that g-sani used to locate only non-ferrous metal?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

I know that it uses this pcb:lol:

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Where i wrote that i detected magnets or anything else with this????
I wrote that this lrl is the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector.
If you know the schematic of Andy Flind then if you reverse the pcb you will see that it is this schematic:lol:

Regards:)Hi Geo,
Are you saying you made no tests of the OBMD-1, and you are only saying it is an Andy Flind magnetic field detector because you think this is what the circuit board is?
Are you saying you saw no components inside the OBMD-1, and you know it is a magnetic field detector because you saw a circuit board?
So you have proved the OBMD-1 cannot detect gold, silver or copper coins, and can only detect iron or magnets?

One thing I know for certain is that a magnetic field detector does not locate non-ferrous coins or a goat bell or a bullet from long distance.
And a magnetic field detector does not fail to locate a magnet.
I do not believe that both Rubin and g-sani are telling lies when they report all the coins and other non-ferrous things they found, and when they report they cannot locate a magnet or iron things.

I do not believe it is a magnetic detector because the evidence I see so far from g-sani and from Rubin shows it does not detect magnets, and it does detect non-ferrous metals.
When I consider this evidence, I think it cannot have a magnetic detector circuit.

I begin to wonder: how do you know what components Andreas put on this circuit board?
How do you know what other boards he also put inside the OBMD-1, and what components are on them?
I think you are only guessing that the circuit is a magnetic field detector, and making rumors.
And you make these rumors even when you can see the evidence shows it is not detecting magnetic fields.
I think only Andreas knows what components are inside the OBMD-1 locator, and you do not know.
Maybe some day you will open an OBMD-1 and take photos so you can show what is the facts instead of telling rumors and guesses.

Maybe you can tell me what is easier to believe?
1. The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,
-- and g-sani and Rubin made false reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, but they cannot detect iron or magnet.

Or is it easier to believe

2. g-sani and Rubin made true reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, and they cannot detect iron or magnets,
-- and the photo of an empty circuit board does not cause the OBMD-1 to detect only magnetic fields.
-- This is only a rumor that Geo decided to spread without knowing what the real circuits are, and when he ignored the reports from people who actually used this locator.

Which is easier for you to believe?
1 or 2?
I see evidence reported only to show the OBMD-1 does not detect the magnetic field from a magnet and does detect non-ferrous, just as Crypton and Andreas said it does.

I already posted several times that I think it is best to wait and see what is reported before I make my opinion.
So I wait to read more field reports.
Maybe next week we will see a flood of field reports from people complaining that they can only detect magnets and iron, but they cannot find any coins or non-ferrous things with their OBMD-1. But until I hear a lot of reports that the OBMD-1 is performing like a magnetic field detector, I will think Andreas and Crypton company are telling true statements which are the same as the reports I hear from people who use the OBMD-1.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[aft_72005]

I know that it uses this pcb:lol:

Regards:)


Geo, Are you sure inside box , there are showed PCB????http://www.itc3.com/images/smilies/K%20(5).gif

[WM6]

But until I hear a lot of reports that the OBMD-1 is performing like a magnetic field detector,

J_P


"magnetic field detector, .." backed with usual metal detector (we saw those acrobatic video).

So, how it "is performing", as OBMD or MD?

Why one need MD as real finding device, if OBMD can detect something?

And don't tell me tale story about "only for pinpointing".

[J_Player]

"magnetic field detector, .." backed with usual metal detector (we saw those acrobatic video).

So, how it "is performing", as OBMD or MD?

Why one need MD as real finding device, if OBMD can detect something?

And don't tell me tale story about "only for pinpointing".Hi WM6,
I don't know the reason because I never located anything with any commercial LRL.
When we read what people who use the OBMD-1, they tell us this locator can locate within 1m of the buried metal. Then they use metal detector to pinpoinit.

This sounds similar to people who use a 2-box metal detector and they detect some metal buried close to the surface.
if the metal is small. They cannot pinpoint when using the 2-box, so they find the exact location with a metal detector that has a smaller coil.

But I cannot say what is the reason why users of OBMD-1 can locate to only area of 1meter.
I have never seen the circuit to make an analysis.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.

This is the schematic of Andy Flind magnetic field detector.
The OBMD don't use the LM3915 for leds driver.
Sorry for bad analysis, but Esteban put it here with low analysis.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8751&stc=1&d=1243817193

J_P. I don't say that OBMD works and i don't say that it don't work.
I say that it is the Andy's Flind MFD and it works as MFD, nothing else. Now about the pcb.... Andreas post it to a Greek forum.

Regards:)

[Geo]

Geo, Are you sure inside box , there are showed PCB????http://www.itc3.com/images/smilies/K%20(5).gif

Yes, Andreas post it:)

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Are you saying you made no tests of the OBMD-1, and you are only saying it is an Andy Flind magnetic field detector because you think this is what the circuit board is?
I am not think, i am sure.

Are you saying you saw no components inside the OBMD-1, and you know it is a magnetic field detector because you saw a circuit board?
If Crypton replace some resistors, does it makes the super technology LRL from this ??:lol:

So you have proved the OBMD-1 cannot detect gold, silver or copper coins, and can only detect iron or magnets? I did not said it....

One thing I know for certain is that a magnetic field detector does not locate non-ferrous coins or a goat bell or a bullet from long distance.
And a magnetic field detector does not fail to locate a magnet.


I do not believe that both Rubin and g-sani are telling lies when they report all the coins and other non-ferrous things they found, and when they report they cannot locate a magnet or iron things. Does i said any diferent??

I do not believe it is a magnetic detector because the evidence I see so far from g-sani and from Rubin shows it does not detect magnets, and it does detect non-ferrous metals.
Only you don't believe this, you don't believe the other, you don't think the other but Crypton has the special technology. Really do you know something, have something to show me??

When I consider this evidence, I think it cannot have a magnetic detector circuit.




Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
You speak as a big member of Crypton!!!!:lol::lol:.
You don't like to see anything diferent than the Crypton works.
Why????

Regards:)

[J_Player]

J_P. I don't say that OBMD works and i don't say that it don't work.
I say that it is the Andy's Flind MFD and it works as MFD, nothing else. Now about the pcb.... Andreas post it to a Greek forum.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
Who typed these words in the forum?
Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies....
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=140448#post140448

When I read these words, I think the person who writes the words is saying Crypton does not have the ability to detect only gold, silver and copper.
I think the person who writes these words is spreading rumors that the Crypton is a magnetic field anomaly detector.
Can you tell the reason why you are now saying you did not put these words in the forum?

If you read the words I posted, I did not say I am a big member of Crypton.
I said I like to see reports from people who report their field experience before I make my opinion, and I ignore rumors.
You do not report any field experience you had from using a Crypton locator, but you tell stories of what it can detect and it cannot detect.
So I think I am reading rumor stories, not facts.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Who typed these words in the forum?

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=140448#post140448

When I read this kind of words, I think the person who writes the words is saying Crypton cannot detect only gold, silver and copper.
I think the person who writes these words is spreading rumors that the Crypton is a magnetic field detector.

If you read the words I posted, I did not say I am a big member of Crypton.
I said I like to see reports from people who report their field experience before I make my opinion, and I ignore rumors.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

If you read good i say not only gold, silver and copper.
One member of a Greek forum detected Iron at a test where Andreas was the operator of the Crypton.

Regards:)

[J_Player]

If you read good i say not only gold, silver and copper.
One member of a Greek forum detected Iron at a test where Andreas was the operator of the Crypton.

Regards:)
I read good..."Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies...."
This is a rumor that it detects only the magnetic anomalies

I see two reports from people in Greece who used the OBMD-1 in their hands and reported they saw it cannot detect magnets or iron.
I see two reports from people in Greece who used the OBMD-1 in their hands and reported they saw it detected coins and non-ferrous things only.

Will we ever see the report from this member of the Greek forum here?
Or is this a rumor that you cannot say anything about?

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

I read good...
"Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies...."
This is a rumor that it detects only the magnetic anomalies

I see two reports from people in Greece who used the OBMD-1 in their hands and reported they saw it cannot detect magnets or iron.
I see two reports from people in Greece who used the OBMD-1 in their hands and reported they saw it detected coins and non-ferrous things only.

Will we ever see the report from this member of the Greek forum here?
Or is this a rumor that you cannot say anything about?

Best wishes, :)
J_P



Why is a rumor that it detects only the magnetic anomalies??
Also do you want a link from Greek forum???

[Geo]

Is this a Rumor????

Regards

[J_Player]

Is this a Rumor????

RegardsHi Geo,
Yes I think the image you modified to depict what is inside the OBMD-1 is a rumor.
I think you do not know what components can be seen inside the OBMD-1, and you are only guessing.

I ask you again: Can you tell me what is easier for you to believe?
1. The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,
-- and g-sani and Rubin made false reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, but they cannot detect iron or magnet.

Or is it easier to believe

2. g-sani and Rubin made true reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, and they cannot detect iron or magnets,
-- and the photo of an empty circuit board does not cause the OBMD-1 to detect only magnetic fields.
-- This is only a rumor that Geo decided to spread without knowing what the real circuits are, and when he ignored the reports from people who actually used this locator.

Which is easier for you to believe?
1 or 2?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Yes I think the image you modified to depict what is inside the OBMD-1 is a rumor.
I think you do not know what components can be seen inside the OBMD-1, and you are only guessing.

I ask you again: Can you tell me what is easier for you to believe?
1. The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,
-- and g-sani and Rubin made false reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, but they cannot detect iron or magnet.

Or is it easier to believe

2. g-sani and Rubin made true reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, and they cannot detect iron or magnets,
-- and the photo of an empty circuit board does not cause the OBMD-1 to detect only magnetic fields.
-- This is only a rumor that Geo decided to spread without knowing what the real circuits are, and when he ignored the reports from people who actually used this locator.

Which is easier for you to believe?
1 or 2?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.
You make the questions as you like:lol:.
I believe to Andreas who posted the pcb of Crypton OBMD-1. This is a fact. And this pcb was made for the schematic of Andy Flid MFD. And this is a fact.
It strikes me that your insistence on something you do not know, unlike me who I have common friends with the Andreas. Does that says something to you;;;

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
-- This is only a rumor that Geo decided to spread without knowing what the real circuits are, and when he ignored the reports from people who actually used this locator.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

I told you who is the circuit, very simple you don't believe me.
I know at least other 4 people who tried the Cryfton. Do you know more????

Regards

[J_Player]

I told you who is the circuit, very simple you don't believe me.
I know at least other 4 people who tried the Cryfton. Do you know more????

RegardsHi geo,

You did not show the circuit that is inside the Crypton.
You only showed an empty PCB image that Andreas posted, and you made your own guesses of what components are inside the OBMD-1.
I can see no place where you show that you know these are the components that we can find when we look inside the OBMD-1.
I also see you did not show any evidence that you know what other PCBs and other components we will see if we look inside the OBMD-1.
I see components that you posted are only your guesses of what you think, but you really do not know what we will see inside the OBMD-1.

Can you tell us exactly what these 4 other alleged people people say about the Crypton they tried?
Or is this another secret rumor of 4 reports that we will never read in the long range locators forum?

Still you cannot answer my question:
I ask you again: Can you tell me what is easier for you to believe?
1. The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,
-- and g-sani and Rubin made false reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, but they cannot detect iron or magnet.

Or is it easier to believe

2. g-sani and Rubin made true reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, and they cannot detect iron or magnets,
-- and the photo of an empty circuit board does not cause the OBMD-1 to detect only magnetic fields.
-- This is only a rumor that Geo decided to spread without knowing what the real circuits are, and when he ignored the reports from people who actually used this locator.

Which is easier for you to believe?
1 or 2?
Do you really believe 1 is correct and 2 is a lie?



Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi geo,

You did not show the circuit that is inside the Crypton.
You only showed an empty PCB image that Andreas posted, and you made your own guesses of what components are inside the OBMD-1.
I can see no place where you show that you know these are the components that we can find when we look inside the OBMD-1.
I also see you did not show any evidence that you know what other PCBs and other components we will see if we look inside the OBMD-1.
I see components that you posted are only your guesses of what you think, but you really do not know what we will see inside the OBMD-1.

Can you tell us exactly what these 4 other alleged people people say about the Crypton they tried?
Or is this another secret rumor of 4 reports that we will never read in the long range locators forum?
Do you think that all the people knows English and they read the LongRangeLocators???


Still you cannot answer my question:
I ask you again: Can you tell me what is easier for you to believe?
1. The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,
-- and g-sani and Rubin made false reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, but they cannot detect iron or magnet.

Or is it easier to believe

2. g-sani and Rubin made true reports to say they find many coins and goat bell and bullet, and they cannot detect iron or magnets,
-- and the photo of an empty circuit board does not cause the OBMD-1 to detect only magnetic fields.
-- This is only a rumor that Geo decided to spread without knowing what the real circuits are, and when he ignored the reports from people who actually used this locator.

Which is easier for you to believe?
1 or 2?
Do you really believe 1 is correct and 2 is a lie?



Best wishes, :)
J_P

Your question is a bad game and please not play with me.:angry:
If you really want an answer, then make the questions alone, no at groups.
Be sure i have the answer(s).
:lol:

Regards

[J_Player]

Your question is a bad game and please not play with me.:angry:
If you really want an answer, then make the questions alone, no at groups.
Be sure i have the answer(s).
:lol:

RegardsHi Geo,
This is a public forum where all the world can read.
It is not a private conversation.
You have been posting rumors that you refuse to prove they are correct or not here in an international forum.
Now you say you can talk about what you believe only in private?

What is your purpose for spreading rumors in a public forum that you cannot prove?
Why do you say "Crypton is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies" in a public forum if you refuse to talk about your proof in the same public forum?

Isn't this what a rumor is?

Do you remember the rules of this forum?
Be factual, and try not to take differences of opinions personally. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to have that claim challenged.

You do not give facts.... you give guesses of components.
I like to see you prove your claims are true.
I see only your words talking what parts you guess are inside of OBMD-1, then make conclusion that it detects only magnetic field anomalies.
I think this is an extraordinary claim.
I think you cannot show any evidence that the OBMD-1 detects only magnetic field anomalies.
If I am wrong, then show the evidence of the OBMD-1 detecting only magnetic field anomalies.
I have never seen the OBMD-1 detect a magnetic field anomaly.
Have you?

I think you believe that answer 1 is correct -- that g-sani did not lie and you have the wrong guess for magnetic field detector.
But I think this only because I see you can present no evidence to show that it locates magnetic fields.
Maybe my idea is wrong.
Maybe you can prove the OBMD-1 makes beeps when a magnet or iron is placed near it.
Can you?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
Why you have your eyes closed???
You wrote """The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,""... The photo of pcb that Andreas posted show and the components, so ti is not an empty circuit. I have the pcb, i have the component layer, i have the schematic so what other i need?????
If i will give you the schematic, AGAIN you will tell that you are not sure if it is this and again that it is a rumor :lol:.
Also why you don't believe what Andreas posted and said??? He posted the pcb of Crypton and he said that THIS is the pcb, what other would you like????? I wrote if you like to give you the link of the Greek forum where a member writes that this lrl don't work but you did not answered about this.
If you do not know something, do not write to create sensationalism

Regards:)

[goldmaniac]

geo ξεκινα μεταφραση
δεν γνωριζω το μελος rubin αλλα για τον g-sani εχω να συμπληρωσω οτι ειναι αναξιος εμπιστοσυνης και μεχρι τωρα τα βηματα που εχη κανη ειναι η πλαγια διαφήμιση αποστατικων μηχανηματων και του PD και τωρα του CRYPTON
οταν ξεκινησε με εναν φιλο μου να λενε για το πιστολι τους εμπιστευθηκα,και εγω ο ιδιος επεσα στα διχτυα της παραπλανησης,μετα απο λιγο καιρο και εφοσον δεν απαντουσαν στα τηλεφωνα μου,εγραψε μεσα στο ελληνικο φορουμ να τον διαγραψω απο μελος γιατι κινδυνευη σωματικα
αλλο ενα παραμυθακι απο τα συνηθισμενα τους
και εχω την απορια αφου δεν πουλα ο ανδρεας πως βρεθηκαν αυτα στα χερια τους και γιατι οταν ζητησα επισημα δοκιμη απο το ελληνικο φορουμ του μηχανηματος δεν δεχθηκαν
απλες αποριες εχω σχετικα με το ολο σκηνικο που παιζεται ακομα στο εδω φορουμ
οσο για το κυκλωμα που αναφερη ο γιωργος 90% ειναι το σωστο και αφηνω ανοιχτο ενα 10% σε περιπτωση λαθους
και το ερωτημα σε ολους τους τεχνικους εδω μεσα ειναι πως μπορουμε να κανουμε εκπομπη συχνοτητων vlf και ληψη με υπέρυθρες? οταν η ληψη ειναι τοπικη η χρειαζεται ενα δικτυο υπερυθρων για να ξεπεραστουν τα εμποδια,οπως τα μικρα λοφακια,τα δενδρα.οι θαμνοι?

[Qiaozhi]

geo ξεκινα μεταφραση
δεν γνωριζω το μελος rubin αλλα για τον g-sani εχω να συμπληρωσω οτι ειναι αναξιος εμπιστοσυνης και μεχρι τωρα τα βηματα που εχη κανη ειναι η πλαγια διαφήμιση αποστατικων μηχανηματων και του PD και τωρα του CRYPTON
οταν ξεκινησε με εναν φιλο μου να λενε για το πιστολι τους εμπιστευθηκα,και εγω ο ιδιος επεσα στα διχτυα της παραπλανησης,μετα απο λιγο καιρο και εφοσον δεν απαντουσαν στα τηλεφωνα μου,εγραψε μεσα στο ελληνικο φορουμ να τον διαγραψω απο μελος γιατι κινδυνευη σωματικα
αλλο ενα παραμυθακι απο τα συνηθισμενα τους
και εχω την απορια αφου δεν πουλα ο ανδρεας πως βρεθηκαν αυτα στα χερια τους και γιατι οταν ζητησα επισημα δοκιμη απο το ελληνικο φορουμ του μηχανηματος δεν δεχθηκαν
απλες αποριες εχω σχετικα με το ολο σκηνικο που παιζεται ακομα στο εδω φορουμ
οσο για το κυκλωμα που αναφερη ο γιωργος 90% ειναι το σωστο και αφηνω ανοιχτο ενα 10% σε περιπτωση λαθους
και το ερωτημα σε ολους τους τεχνικους εδω μεσα ειναι πως μπορουμε να κανουμε εκπομπη συχνοτητων vlf και ληψη με υπέρυθρες? οταν η ληψη ειναι τοπικη η χρειαζεται ενα δικτυο υπερυθρων για να ξεπεραστουν τα εμποδια,οπως τα μικρα λοφακια,τα δενδρα.οι θαμνοι?
This is an English language forum. Please post in English, or at least post a translation. :frown:

[Geo]

This is an English language forum. Please post in English, or at least post a translation. :frown:

Goldmaniac (the administrator of the Greek forum psaxtiria.net) don't know English so i will try at night to translate it. Now i have not time.

Regards:)

[Morgan]

Goldmaniac (the administrator of the Greek forum psaxtiria.net) don't know English so i will try at night to translate it. Now i have not time.

Regards:)
Hello Geo, here is my translation (google transtator)


geo begins translation
I do not know rubin State but for the g-sani I have to add that is unworthy of confidence, and so far the steps echi barrel is a side advertising defected machinery and PD and now CRYPTON
When he started with a friend of my say about the pistol trusted, and I fell into the nets of deception, after a while, and if they did not answer the phones, I wrote in the GREEK Forum delete it from State threatened physically because
another a tale from their usual
And I have questions after not sell the man that found them in their hands because when formally requested by the test GREEK forum the machine did not accept
I have simple FAQ about the whole thing still playing here in the forums
As for the circuit referred George 90% is right and leaves open a 10% in case of error
And the question in all technical here is how we can make vlf emission frequencies and infrared reception; When the download is local or you need a network of infrared to overcome obstacles, such as small hills, the dendra.oi shrubs;

[Geo]

Hello Geo, here is my translation (google transtator)


geo begins translation
I do not know rubin State but for the g-sani I have to add that is unworthy of confidence, and so far the steps echi barrel is a side advertising defected machinery and PD and now CRYPTON
When he started with a friend of my say about the pistol trusted, and I fell into the nets of deception, after a while, and if they did not answer the phones, I wrote in the GREEK Forum delete it from State threatened physically because
another a tale from their usual
And I have questions after not sell the man that found them in their hands because when formally requested by the test GREEK forum the machine did not accept
I have simple FAQ about the whole thing still playing here in the forums
As for the circuit referred George 90% is right and leaves open a 10% in case of error
And the question in all technical here is how we can make vlf emission frequencies and infrared reception; When the download is local or you need a network of infrared to overcome obstacles, such as small hills, the dendra.oi shrubs;

Very good, i will try to make it a little better:)

[Qiaozhi]

Very good, i will try to make it a little better:)
Thanks Geo.
I still find it hard to understand Morgan's translation.

[Geo]

geo ξεκινα μεταφραση
δεν γνωριζω το μελος rubin αλλα για τον g-sani εχω να συμπληρωσω οτι ειναι αναξιος εμπιστοσυνης και μεχρι τωρα τα βηματα που εχη κανη ειναι η πλαγια διαφήμιση αποστατικων μηχανηματων και του PD και τωρα του CRYPTON
οταν ξεκινησε με εναν φιλο μου να λενε για το πιστολι τους εμπιστευθηκα,και εγω ο ιδιος επεσα στα διχτυα της παραπλανησης,μετα απο λιγο καιρο και εφοσον δεν απαντουσαν στα τηλεφωνα μου,εγραψε μεσα στο ελληνικο φορουμ να τον διαγραψω απο μελος γιατι κινδυνευη σωματικα
αλλο ενα παραμυθακι απο τα συνηθισμενα τους
και εχω την απορια αφου δεν πουλα ο ανδρεας πως βρεθηκαν αυτα στα χερια τους και γιατι οταν ζητησα επισημα δοκιμη απο το ελληνικο φορουμ του μηχανηματος δεν δεχθηκαν
απλες αποριες εχω σχετικα με το ολο σκηνικο που παιζεται ακομα στο εδω φορουμ
οσο για το κυκλωμα που αναφερη ο γιωργος 90% ειναι το σωστο και αφηνω ανοιχτο ενα 10% σε περιπτωση λαθους
και το ερωτημα σε ολους τους τεχνικους εδω μεσα ειναι πως μπορουμε να κανουμε εκπομπη συχνοτητων vlf και ληψη με υπέρυθρες? οταν η ληψη ειναι τοπικη η χρειαζεται ενα δικτυο υπερυθρων για να ξεπεραστουν τα εμποδια,οπως τα μικρα λοφακια,τα δενδρα.οι θαμνοι?

Here is the translation by me...... i want to believe that it is right.
One note by me.... both members Goldmaniac and Gsani are friends of me, so i don't make any comment.

Regards:)

""""""Geo begins translation
I do not know the member rubin, but for the g-sani I have to add that is unworthy of confidence, and so far the steps he has done is the side advertising of lrls , of PD and now of the CRYPTON.
When he started with a friend of me to says for the PD, i trusted them, and I fell into nets of deception, after a while, and when he stoped to answer the phones, he wrote in the GREEK Forum to delete him from member because he threatened physically.
Another fairy tales from their usual.
I wonder since Andreas do not sell the crypton, how it found in their hands and when I asked for a formal testing of the machine from the GREEK forum, Andreas did not accept.
I have simple questions about the whole thing who still playing here in this forum.
As for the circuit referred George (Geo)90% is right and i leave open a 10% in case of error.
And the question in all technical here is... how we can make emission at vlf frequencies and infrared reception if the signal is local????, or needs a network of infrared to overcome obstacles, such as small hills, the trees, the shrubs ..etc""""""

[g-sani]

Listen goldmanic, you say things the way you like and I don't really want to conflict whith you because I see it as a waste of time.If you want to defend your friend Geo just do it as a gentleman because this time you show your bad attitude in an international forum.
Apart from this and because you use my name and you talk about things you are dreaming I have to ask you to put here the proof that I have asked you in the past to whithdraw my membership from your forum. Why somebody will ask you for that when he can always just stop participating in the forum?
There is no need for that so don't show your stupidity everywhere. I just said I am giving up as an active member because I don't like any more the way things go.
Also I never said I was threatened from anybody but I said that I got fed up from all this talking and gossips behind other peoples back because this is not my practice.
I prefer people talking straight and every member should be equally the same from an Administrator no matter what.
When it comes to the PD that Vasilis made I just said that I know him because he comes from the place I live and I talked about my experience whith his PD when this guy came over to see me and demonstrated it to me. I didn't say that I tested it myself although I did it sometime later on.
It was you goldmaniac that called begging me to tell a word to Vasilis about your willingness to sell his PD through your forum. Did you know me in person? Did we ever meet and I don't remember?
So what is this you are saying that I was not answering your calls? May be you were calling others that they didn't want to talk you(I don't blame them) and you are throwing this here as well.
Have you been drinking ouzo myfriend?
I believe that it is very obvious for everybody to understand why you called me but since you started I have to defend myself by also prooving what I am saying.
You cannot proove that I have ever been to any kind of advesrtising Vasilis PD and you cannot proove that I have never been together whith Vasilis to any of his demonstrations to your friends(you know they are so many) which they liked and bought the PD on the spot at the same time each demo took place.
So are you feeling bad because your friends bought from Vasilis or you are feeling bad because your friends money went to Vasilis pocket instead of yours?
Vasilis was the only man that demonstrated his LRL every time somebody asked for it just before buying. So you have to wash your mouth very well every time you spell his name to other people.
Here comes the proof to your story my friend and it is still there for all members to see if they are lucky before you delete them.
So I remember yourself goldmaniac selling LRLs through your site which you were selling complete or as a kit. You want proofs for that? I am putting the links bellow for everybody to see.
1. http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3541
It is a thread opened from you selling PD kits at a better price.
Here you say that 4000 euros for Vasilis Pd is so much so please get mine as a kit at
250 which in other words means... "I sell just for a smaller profit"
2. http://www.psaxtiria.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3615
This is another thread opened from you selling some other LRL in two available
options.As a complete made machine and also as a kit. You state the price
of 350+50for batteries for a ready to go LRL detector and 250+50 for a kit.
Need more? Anybody can find more if he just check your posts in the Greek forum.
I think that this is enough evidence for everybody to understand which one is doing what, you or me.
I have never criticised yourself and you surprised me while you are advertising me this way in this forum.
There is also something else that just came into my mind.
If this is the case whith me then why you didn't say all these compliments for me in the Greek forum and when things were also fresh that time?
I tell you why myself because I know you are a bit of a shy person to answer yourself my question.
All members of the Greek forum would throw stones to you this is why.You came here that people don't know what was happening in your shop-forum thinking that because they cannot go and read greek in the Greek forum then they would believe your stories and your lousy lies. Is it this video you saw in my thread "Testing Crypton" that remind you of Andrea and you sudenly felt the same way you felt whith Vasilis when he sold many PDs whithout you involved in his bussiness?
But why now and here when you are not even able to read English properly?
Is it somebody translating you everyday all our posts?
Computer translators are not good anyway.
Did anybody gave you an operational manual or advice of what to do and write?
Was it a bad dream you saw last night?
May be your sales are not that good whith all this Greek crisis and you thought that it is right for you to come over here disadvertising other peoples bussiness and may be you will have some customers back to you whith your better prices.
You also forget my friend that when it comes to Crypton it is a company behind giving guarantees and receipts when you are a 'nobody' and a tax free salesman using your forum as a shop.
I don't know how many Cryptons is arround but mine I stated clearly that it was one offered to me for tests when you and your companions didn't accept the offer made to you of Mr Andreas the designer of the detector.
Did you forget when you refused the offer because a week or so it was not enough for you to test it? Did you forget that your friend was there when Andreas twice or may be three times out of 4-5 found artifacts or coins in a place that your friends chosen?
Hhhhhmmmm.... now I see. You only remember what you like but I am here to refresh your memory in a practical proof safe manner.
As you see my friend the silly behaviour of yours and from some others is the ones I can easily uncover and present them over here whith facts and proofs for everybody to see when you cannot proove anything of what you are saying for me.
There are so many posts from you and your friends in your forum accusing many other members saying that they are taking money to advertise some detectors from others but you are always doing this whithout showing any facts or proofs the same way you are doing now. Is this your sale policy?
I can easily ask many members of the Greek forum to come over here and proove what I am saying and again you will be rediculous yourself.But it is no need because they are also many of them here knowing exactly what happened now and then.

Rumors and myths are creations from people that don't know how to explain what they see or rather they make this because this way suits them for one reason or another.
Jealously whith money involved is one of the worst compinations for the days we live.


Go back to your shop-forum goldmaniac and translate to them my post for everybody to see.Yours is in Greek anyway.
I am sure everybody will love it apart from your friends.
Merry Christmas

[goldmaniac]

I see you hurt the kit never came out in production, since this turned out not working
Maybe we what we are honest from something else that is professional and sell fraud

βλεπω σας πονεσε το κιτ που ποτε δεν βγηκε στην παραγωγη,αφου και αυτο αποδειχθηκε οτι δεν δουλευε
ισως εμεις ειμεθα ποιο τιμιοι απο κατι αλλους που ειναι επαγγελματιες και πουλανε απατη

[g-sani]

I see you hurt the kit never came out in production, since this turned out not working
Maybe we what we are honest from something else that is professional and sell fraud

βλεπω σας πονεσε το κιτ που ποτε δεν βγηκε στην παραγωγη,αφου και αυτο αποδειχθηκε οτι δεν δουλευε
ισως εμεις ειμεθα ποιο τιμιοι απο κατι αλλους που ειναι επαγγελματιες και πουλανε απατη

Production???? Thank you very much!
You prove again what I said in my last post.
So don't keep on saying that others think the way you think.
No more excuses. :nono:

[Morgan]

Production???? Thank you very much!
You prove again what I said in my last post.
So don't keep on saying that others think the way you think.
No more excuses. :nono:

well,well,now i see why Alonso go to Greece for MINEORO demonstrations...i think Greece is the LRL´s Paradise :D

[Geo]

well,well,now i see why Alonso go to Greece for MINEORO demonstrations...i think Greece is the LRL´s Paradise :D

You know better:lol:.
Do you remember the red lrl from Alonso???:D

[Morgan]

You know better:lol:.
Do you remember the red lrl from Alonso???:D

yes,what is hapening with RED PD ? They clone it ?

[Geo]

yes,what is hapening with RED PD ? They clone it ?

You say it :lol::lol:, not me

Regards:)

[Morgan]

You say it :lol::lol:, not me

Regards:)

and where they get it? Esteban told there are only two of this in europe,one belong to mr.raymond in spain,probaly the other one is in greece...

[Geo]

and where they get it? Esteban told there are only two of this in europe,one belong to mr.raymond in spain,probaly the other one is in greece...

Keep any secret!!!!:D:D

[g-sani]

As I see it now there are people knowing things over here and for one reason or another they don't like sharing it whith us.
So either they know or either they wish they knew....
It looks like it is something they like to say but...... they don't find the words. :D

[Geo]

As I see it now there are people knowing things over here and for one reason or another they don't like sharing it whith us.
So either they know or either they wish they knew....
It looks like it is something they like to say but...... they don't find the words. :D

I do not think if someone writes on a forum that he should share all his secrets.:D

[Morgan]

Keep any secret!!!!:D:D

hi Geo

everyting is among secrets,all the treasures are in secret places,all the LRL´s who can find them, must be secret too...

[J_Player]

hi Geo

everyting is among secrets,all the treasures are in secret places,all the LRL´s who can find them, must be secret too...Secret?
This cannot be true...

I see when jack, mehdi, and mesy64 ask for LRL circuits, they are given circuits that they can build for locating treasure.
I see even Geo gives circuits to find treasure.
I see no secrets.
Everything is known. :rolleyes:

Is there some secret circuit for LRL that we have not seen here yet? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif

Best wishes,
J_P

[Astrodetect]

Hi all
From the Red Pistols in Europe which Mr Alonso built one is in Spain and the other one is mine in Greece. As you can see in my Avatar, but the problem is that it doesnt work here.
Regards

[WM6]

As you can see in my Avatar, but the problem is that it doesnt work here.



Sure, it works in MMSF only.

How different with mineoro tax collection machine, wich works on all continents and in all evironment conditions.

[Morgan]

Hi all
From the Red Pistols in Europe which Mr Alonso built one is in Spain and the other one is mine in Greece. As you can see in my Avatar, but the problem is that it doesnt work here.
Regards

Hi Astrodetect

I´m wondering where Andreas get copy of this Red PD circuits,but this is only if Geo words are right...
The Red PD in Spain belong to one friend,i teste this LRL many times and it works as LRL,of course only with critical adjustment,otherwise i locate many other targets including shadows from the rocks or trees...

[g-sani]

Hi Astrodetect,
I am very happy you are here to help us solve the puzzle.
As you probably see some people over here spread rumors around that Crypton is a clone of red Alonsos PD.
So is this a grandfathers fairy tale as usual?
Yes I believe it is. :D
Regards
g-sani

[g-sani]

hi Geo

everyting is among secrets,all the treasures are in secret places,all the LRL´s who can find them, must be secret too...

The more the secrets the more the rumors.
And the more the rumors the more the lies.
And the more the lies the less chances we have to find treasure.:lol: :lol:

[J_Player]

The more the secrets the more the rumors.
And the more the rumors the more the lies.
And the more the lies the less chances we have to find treasure.:lol: :lol:Hahahahahahaaa... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif

I heard rumors that Crypton is Andy Flind magnetic field detector, and now I hear new rumors that it is copy of red Alonso pistol.
Who cares about rumors?... Only idiot spreads rumors, and only idiot believes rumor is the true facts.
We can learn the true facts by reading the reports from people who make observations of how the Crypton performs in the field to see if it is good to buy or not.
When I read reports from many users that Crypton does not locate iron or magnets, then I know it is a false rumor that it is magnetic field detector. http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17599&stc=1&d=1323729073

Maybe the next rumor we will read is the Crypton works on principle of magic, not electronics...
Maybe the next rumor will be the Crypton electronics is only to scare Jinns away...
Even if the Crypton has no electronic circuit except random beepers, the only final test is to see if it will locate treasure or not.

We know for certain only what we read that g-sani observed, and what Rubin observed when they used the Crypton in their hands to recover buried metals.
We know these are facts because g-sani does not make false reports, and because Rubin report is same as g-sani report.

When we read rumors to say g-sani and Rubin reports are false -- these are only rumors -- not true facts.
The people who make these rumors did not hold the Crypton in their hands to observe what is the performance...
So they make only rumors to say the Andy Flind circuit proves g-sani and Rubin are giving false reports.
Now we hear the new rumor that the non-working Alonso pistol circuit proves g-sani and Rubin are giving false reports? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif
I think both rumors are false rumors.
I begin to think the purpose to spread these rumors is because the people who make these rumors want to stop competition from Andreas and Crypton locator.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[WM6]

Probably metal detectors used in those tests ("as seen on TV") are not rumors but facts.

You do not need LRL to find something everywhere where you start detecting with metal detector. Everywhere!!!!

So such "LRL videos" supported with metal detector as "proof of remote detecting" worth nothing. Zero and less than zero.

[Geo]

Probably metal detectors used in those tests ("as seen on TV") are not rumors but facts.

You do not need LRL to find something everywhere where you start detecting with metal detector. Everywhere!!!!

So such "LRL videos" supported with metal detector as "proof of remote detecting" worth nothing. Zero and less than zero.

:lol::lol: :thumb: :thumb:

[Morgan]

Hahahahahahaaa... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif

I heard rumors that Crypton is Andy Flind magnetic field detector, and now I hear new rumors that it is copy of red Alonso pistol.
Who cares about rumors?... Only idiot spreads rumors, and only idiot believes rumor is the true facts.
We can learn the true facts by reading the reports from people who make observations of how the Crypton performs in the field to see if it is good to buy or not.
When I read reports from many users that Crypton does not locate iron or magnets, then I know it is a false rumor that it is magnetic field detector. http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17599&stc=1&d=1323729073

Maybe the next rumor we will read is the Crypton works on principle of magic, not electronics...
Maybe the next rumor will be the Crypton electronics is only to scare Jinns away...
Even if the Crypton has no electronic circuit except random beepers, the only final test is to see if it will locate treasure or not.

We know for certain only what we read that g-sani observed, and what Rubin observed when they used the Crypton in their hands to recover buried metals.
We know these are facts because g-sani does not make false reports, and because Rubin report is same as g-sani report.

When we read rumors to say g-sani and Rubin reports are false -- these are only rumors -- not true facts.
The people who make these rumors did not hold the Crypton in their hands to observe what is the performance...
So they make only rumors to say the Andy Flind circuit proves g-sani and Rubin are giving false reports.
Now we hear the new rumor that the non-working Alonso pistol circuit proves g-sani and Rubin are giving false reports? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif
I think both rumors are false rumors.
I begin to think the purpose to spread these rumors is because the people who make these rumors want to stop competition from Andreas and Crypton locator.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

From Andreas factory we have many LRL devices claimed to be very good LRL´s,

lets see :

Iconos

Evrentis PD

Argos

Greek magical PD

Crypton

All of them claimed to be the best,wich one is better ???
We saw in greek LRL video the Andreas magical PD can locate fresh buried gold coin 100m distance,so,now the Crypton cant do that and is the best.

very strange...

[Geo]

From Andreas factory we have many LRL devices claimed to be very good LRL´s,

lets see :

Iconos

Evrentis PD

Argos

Greek magical PD

Crypton

All of them claimed to be the best,wich one is better ???
We saw in greek LRL video the Andreas magical PD can locate fresh buried gold coin 100m distance,so,now the Crypton cant do that and is the best.

very strange...

:???::???: :lol:

[g-sani]

From Andreas factory we have many LRL devices claimed to be very good LRL´s,

lets see :

Iconos

Evrentis PD

Argos

Greek magical PD

Crypton

All of them claimed to be the best,wich one is better ???
We saw in greek LRL video the Andreas magical PD can locate fresh buried gold coin 100m distance,so,now the Crypton cant do that and is the best.

very strange...

I am not sure but I think you are a bit confused Morgan.If this is not the case then may be I have missed many episodes.:D
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Morgan]

I am not sure but I think you are a bit confused Morgan.If this is not the case then may be I have missed many episodes.:D
:lol: :lol: :lol:


well,i thougt all this LRL´s are Andrea´s creations...sorry if i´m wrong

[J_Player]

well,i thougt all this LRL´s are Andrea´s creations...sorry if i´m wrongHi Morgan,
Where does this information come from?
Can you tell where you learned this so we can read about it too? Or is it is rumors?

I don't know how good Crypton is.
But I know from watching the g-sani video that it did not beep when he moved it past the metal detector which has a steel case.
And I read Rubin reports that it cannot detect a magnet.
And I also saw two videos that show it locating non-ferous metal.
This makes me think that is does not detect magnetic fields.

To me it does not matter what components other people are guessing, because a guess is the same as a rumor.
But It looks to be a fact that it did not beep when g-sani moved it past the steel parts of his metal detector.
And I do not believe that both g-sani and Rubin are both making false reports to say it does not detect steel.
I do not know Rubin, but I know very well g-sani will never tell a lie to make false reports of the performance he sees from a locator.
Maybe we will see more reports from people who show it beeps only at magnetic fields.
But I have not seen any real report that shows an observation that it beeps at a magnetic field.
I only read reports that say it fails to beep at magnetic fields and it detects non ferous.
(This is also exactly what the Crypton factory people tell us).

Also... did you stop to think that the ciricuit board you saw is only one of several circuit boards inside which is used to hold the amplifier, and connects to other circuit boards which hold other components that were not shown?
Did you begin to think the Crypton may have many circuit boards similar to how your PD has many circuit boards?
When I see videos and reports that it does not detect ferrous metals or magnets, this is the reason I begin to think there is more circuitry than a single circuit booard.
I begin to think the sensor cannot be a fluxgate magnetometer, because it fails to find a magnet..!
No photograph of a circuit board or guessing what components are hidden inside the box can prove that g-sani is telling lies. :nono:

I really don't know what is the full range of this Crypton locator.
Maybe it is good and maybe not.
I think we will see what are the facts of the range after we read more field reports from people who use the Crypton, and tell what they see it is doing.
But I did read the report that more testing is being done because of a winter weather problem, and that modifications will be made to change the performance.

Those are the only facts I have seen from authoritative sources.
I will be watching to see more reports of the Crypton performance when the modifications are done.
But I will also be watching to see how your new PD performs.
It sounds like you have built a very good PD.
I will like to read more reports from the people who use it on their treasure hunting to see what they report for distance and what things they find.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Morgan,
Where does this information come from?
Can you tell where you learned this so we can read about it too? Or is it is rumors?

I don't know how good Crypton is.
But I know from watching the g-sani video that it did not beep when he moved it past the metal detector which has a steel case.
And I read Rubin reports that it cannot detect a magnet.
And I also saw two videos that show it locating non-ferous metal.
This makes me think that is does not detect magnetic fields.

To me it does not matter what components other people are guessing, because a guess is the same as a rumor.
But It looks to be a fact that it did not beep when g-sani moved it past the steel parts of his metal detector.
And I do not believe that both g-sani and Rubin are both making false reports to say it does not detect steel.
I do not know Rubin, but I know very well g-sani will never tell a lie to make false reports of the performance he sees from a locator.
Maybe we will see more reports from people who show it beeps only at magnetic fields.
But I have not seen any real report that shows an observation that it beeps at a magnetic field.
I only read reports that say it fails to beep at magnetic fields and it detects non ferous.
(This is also exactly what the Crypton factory people tell us).

Also... did you stop to think that the ciricuit board you saw is only one of several circuit boards inside which is used to hold the amplifier, and connects to other circuit boards which hold other components that were not shown?
Did you begin to think the Crypton may have many circuit boards similar to how your PD has many circuit boards?
When I see videos and reports that it does not detect ferrous metals or magnets, this is the reason I begin to think there is more circuitry than a single circuit booard.
I begin to think the sensor cannot be a fluxgate magnetometer, because it fails to find a magnet..!
No photograph of a circuit board or guessing what components are hidden inside the box can prove that g-sani is telling lies. :nono:

I really don't know what is the full range of this Crypton locator.
Maybe it is good and maybe not.
I think we will see what are the facts of the range after we read more field reports from people who use the Crypton, and tell what they see it is doing.
But I did read the report that more testing is being done because of a winter weather problem, and that modifications will be made to change the performance.

Those are the only facts I have seen from authoritative sources.
I will be watching to see more reports of the Crypton performance when the modifications are done.
But I will also be watching to see how your new PD performs.
It sounds like you have built a very good PD.
I will like to read more reports from the people who use it on their treasure hunting to see what they report for distance and what things they find.


Best wishes, :)
J_P


Hi J_P.
Do not get tired so much to convince us.
In my own video would like to pull the coin with a rope and see if lrl monitor the currency. Here you see a video that sounds at least 15 random beeps and you do not interested at all, only look the detector and in the end say BRAVO!
As for the circuit i inform you that has nothing to do with the PD of Morgan. Is the "MFD by Andy Flind". When you have the pcb schema then it is very easy to understand the schematic, and not speculate. Last time I wrote something but nobody replied, that the missile of ball is from lead and not copper. The Gsani said it was a missile of ball since the Turks, ie before 1900. Then these was of lead. But Andreas said that this LRL detects only gold-silver and copper. So who is the lie????
As for Rubin, suddenly sent him the good God to tell us that its own (although Andreas not even sold lrl) lrl orks, and it works well.
Now that the think again. Maybe it is good for you so to locate the tons of gold nuggets in California. Buy one, maybe you come out good ....

Regards:)

[Geo]

well,i thougt all this LRL´s are Andrea´s creations...sorry if i´m wrong

You have right about 3 of them.
Iconos, Argos and Cryfton.

[Geo]

well,i thougt all this LRL´s are Andrea´s creations...sorry if i´m wrong

Take a Crypton inside a Argos box:lol:

[Morgan]

You have right about 3 of them.
Iconos, Argos and Cryfton.

Are you sure? You are wrong,you can see in youtube one Magical PD ,withe color with battery box in the rear part,is Andreas project too,and about Erevnethis maybe is from other LRL designer.

[Morgan]

I am not sure but I think you are a bit confused Morgan.If this is not the case then may be I have missed many episodes.:D
:lol: :lol: :lol:

No:nono:

have a look in youtube,you will see one magical PD very similar to what Vasillis build,but made by Andreas,i think everybody knows about this one but they forget.
In the list there is one Erevnetis that maybe is not from Andreas.



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[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

...As for the circuit i inform you that has nothing to do with the PD of Morgan. Is the "MFD by Andy Flind". When you have the pcb schema then it is very easy to understand the schematic, and not speculate. Last time I wrote something but nobody replied, that the missile of ball is from lead and not copper. The Gsani said it was a missile of ball since the Turks, ie before 1900. Then these was of lead. But Andreas said that this LRL detects only gold-silver and copper. So who is the lie????
As for Rubin, suddenly sent him the good God to tell us that its own (although Andreas not even sold lrl) lrl orks, and it works well.
Now that the think again. Maybe it is good for you so to locate the tons of gold nuggets in California. Buy one, maybe you come out good ....

Regards:)Hi Geo,
g-sani never put false information in the forum.
The only rumors I see here are the rumors that you posted.
Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies....
I have no reason to prove anything.
I only ask questions.
You are claiming that g-sani used the Crypton detector to locate buried lead metal.
And you also posted the rumor that the Crypton is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies.

First, I do not see any proof that the bullet was a lead bullet fired from a gun used by a Turk before 1900.
I see only your theory that you think it is probably a lead bullet fired from a gun used by a Turk before 1900.
But suppose we are to consider that your theory is correct...
And suppose we also consider your rumor is correct that Crypron detects only magnetic anomalies.

Then I have one question:
Can tell us how did the Crypton detect a magnetic anomaly from the supposed buried lead bullet?

Do you have a new rumor that g-sani recovered iron from ancient Chinese invaders who used iron bullets before they discovered the advantages of using lead bullets?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Are you sure? You are wrong,you can see in youtube one Magical PD ,withe color with battery box in the rear part,is Andreas project too,and about Erevnethis maybe is from other LRL designer.

I don't know about Magical PD. Maybe it is for his personal use.

[Geo]

No:nono:

have a look in youtube,you will see one magical PD very similar to what Vasillis build,but made by Andreas,i think everybody knows about this one but they forget.
In the list there is one Erevnetis that maybe is not from Andreas.



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[Geo]

Hi Geo,
g-sani never put false information in the forum.
The only rumors I see here are the rumors that you posted.

I have no reason to prove anything.
I only ask questions.
You are claiming that g-sani used the Crypton detector to locate buried lead metal.
And you also posted the rumor that the Crypton is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies.

First, I do not see any proof that the bullet was a lead bullet fired from a gun used by a Turk before 1900.
I see only your theory that you think it is probably a lead bullet fired from a gun used by a Turk before 1900.
But suppose we are to consider that your theory is correct...
And suppose we also consider your rumor is correct that Crypron detects only magnetic anomalies.

Then I have one question:
Can tell us how did the Crypton detect a magnetic anomaly from the supposed buried lead bullet?

Do you have a new rumor that g-sani recovered iron from ancient Chinese invaders who used iron bullets before they discovered the advantages of using lead bullets?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hi J_P.

You read what you like to read and you hear what you like to hear.:lol::lol:
If you don't know Please don't write anything.
Maybe your friends don't said you the things good:lol:.
Check again the video by G-sani and tell us what he says.....(video at 8:45" minutes)
and for to make it more easy... Gsani says that he found a missile of ball since the Turks, not me!. So what other proves do you need?? Why you speak about chinese invaders???

From first time that i wanted to attach here the schematic of Crypton, you was very negative, until Carl said that this was o.k with Forum rules. Now you don't see nothing and you believe only Cryfton company:rolleyes:, why??:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Although I think not, your behavior shows that you belongs to Cryfton company, or at least you support the interests of company, without bothering about the truth.

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

You read what you like to read and you hear what you like to hear.:lol::lol:
If you don't know Please don't write anything.
Maybe your friends don't said you the things good:lol:.
Check again the video by G-sani and tell us what he says.....(video at 8:45" minutes)
and for to make it more easy... Gsani says that he found a missile of ball since the Turks, not me!. So what other proves do you need?? Why you speak about chinese invaders???

From first time that i wanted to attach here the schematic of Crypton, you was very negative, until Carl said that this was o.k with Forum rules. Now you don't see nothing and you believe only Cryfton company:rolleyes:, why??:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Although I think not, your behavior shows that you belongs to Cryfton company, or at least you support the interests of company, without bothering about the truth.

Regards


Hi Geo,
You are talking about truth?
Then tell us the truth for how the "magnetic field anomaly locator" located a lead bullet.
Of course I don't know.
I already told you I don't know.
If I knew how a magnetic field anomaly detector can detect a buried lead bullet from more than a meter distance, then I would say how it is done.
I have studied electronics and magnetism for many years, and I do not know how a magnetic field detector can detect a lead bullet from that distance.
The best I know is if g-sani located a lead bullet, then he did not locate a magnetic field anomaly.

Check again what you are posting in the forum:
"It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies...."
"...the missile of ball is from lead..."

Read again the question that you cannot answer:
Can tell us how did the Crypton detect a magnetic anomaly from the supposed buried lead bullet?

So can you tell us the answer?
Is Crypton a magnetic anomaly detector that could only detect iron bullets or magnets?
Or is Crypton not detecting magnetic anomalies, and detecting a lead bullet, and a brass goat bell?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
The answer is very simple.
We saw G-sani to detect the area with the Cryfton and later to pinpoint with a Whites DFX. What he found is what DFX detected, not what Cryfton detected. We did not see after it Gsani to detect the area again with Cryfton, so to check that there are not beeps at the area.
Now, about the "if it is a magnetic field detector" , we will see it at next thread.

Regards:)

[Morgan]

I don't know about Magical PD. Maybe it is for his personal use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY4lpB3ebSY


here is the magical PD,by Andreas

the correct name is FRESH GOLD LONG RANGE PISTOL DETECTOR


Why nobody remember about it ??? is the magical PD we talk about a few months ago.

[WM6]

Seems that Andreas is not designer of magic PD:

[Geo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY4lpB3ebSY


here is the magical PD,by Andreas

the correct name is FRESH GOLD LONG RANGE PISTOL DETECTOR


Why nobody remember about it ??? is the magical PD we talk about a few months ago.

If I remember correctly, he promised to do some tests with this in a place where there are many very old objects. But instead of this lrl, he tested the Cryfton inside the box of Argos. I have not seen anywhere tests from this lrl.
:):)

[Geo]

Seems that Andreas is not designer of magic PD:

Magical PD is not the same with magic PD.

Magic PD is based on Heathkit 348. I don't know about magical....
I know the pcbs that show at video but i am not sure if use both...

[J_Player]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY4lpB3ebSY


here is the magical PD,by Andreas

the correct name is FRESH GOLD LONG RANGE PISTOL DETECTOR


Why nobody remember about it ??? is the magical PD we talk about a few months ago.Hi Morgan,
Thank you for posting that video link.
I don't remember seeing that before.
What he tells in the video is this is not the circuit of the magic PD.

I think Andreas does not believe it is necessary to put a sample in the circuit to find long distance detection. It appears that Andreas has been busy.

Best wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
The answer is very simple.
We saw G-sani to detect the area with the Cryfton and later to pinpoint with a Whites DFX. What he found is what DFX detected, not what Cryfton detected. We did not see after it Gsani to detect the area again with Cryfton, so to check that there are not beeps at the area.
Now, about the "if it is a magnetic field detector" , we will see it at next thread.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
It looks like very simple to understand like you say.
Except there is one problem....
The video shows the locator beeping at the time when g-sani points it at the place where he found the bullet.
And the video also shows the locator is not beeping at the steel parts of the metal detector when he walks past it waving the locator.

You are correct that the White's DFX pinpointed the exact spot where the bullet was buried, and it also showed there was not other metal buried which caused the beeping... only the metal from that location.

But before g-sani used the metal detector, he saw the locator making more than 40 beeps from every direction.
He saw the locator make beeps from 1 meter distance to more than 2 meters distance, then he marked the spot with his foot where he saw the center of beeping.
The spot he marked with his foot is the same place where the metal detector pinpointed, and the same place he dug up the bullet that was not iron.

The video shows the locator beeped when it located the metal that was buried in the hole he dug.
The video also showed the locator did not beep at the steel handle or the hardware at the arm rest, or any other parts of the metal detector that can cause a magnetic anomaly.

How can you explain?
Is it a magnetic anomaly detector if it fails to detect the steel, but it is successful at detecting the bullet? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/remember.gif

See below...

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
I will stay at some beeps....
It beeps at 0:50sec, 1.05,1.16,1.35, 1.38, 1.44, 1.52, 2.02, 2.05 etc.
Gsani made gain adjustment at 2.20 2.28 2.37.
What about the above beeps???, why you believe that all the other beeps was false and only near the place where DFX detected the missile of ball was good??? Also at video there are more false beeps. Lrls don't work this way :yo::yo:

Regards:)

[WM6]

This is practical pinpointing.
Why would one need metal detector, beside such fantastic PD, to find something?
On those places you can find something, using MD, on every half meter or less, no matter you say BEEP or NO BEEP.
So such tests of LRL using MD are worthless.

[J_Player]

This is practical pinpointing.
Why would one need metal detector, beside such fantastic PD, to find something?
On those places you can find something, using MD, on every half meter or less, no matter you say BEEP or NO BEEP.
So such tests of LRL using MD are worthless.Hi WM6,
This video is not a scientific test.
It is a video that g-sani's friend made to show what we would see if we were there watching him try out the OBMD-1.
The video is not designed to prove anything other than to show a demonstration of what you see when you turn the locator on and use it in the field.
At least this is how g-sani explained it.

After I watch the video, I think that this is not a good location to use for a treasure hunt, because I could use a metal detector to find the same target in less time than the time to use the LRL.
This is because the search field I see is maybe only 20m x 3m. For this small area, I see no need for long range.

But the purpose of the video was not to make a treasure hunt. It was to demonstrate how the OBMD-1 works. This is probably the reason they chose a place where they expected to find long-time buried things, so they could finish the demonstration without wasting time hunting for too long.

For me the demonstration was not worthless.
I was able to see that the locator did not respond to ferrous metal at the metal detector.
And I was able to see a lot of beeping close to the buried bullet.
From what I saw, he was able to pinpoint within about 1 meter, and then he marked the spot with his foot before he brought the metal detector.
This is different than simply guessing a place to put a metal detector.
If you remember in the video, after he marked the spot, he came back with the metal detector and made a search on a larger area than 1m.
The metal detector confirmed the bullet was centered in the meter location where the locator beeped, and there was no other metal in the area that could be dug if the locator did not hit the correct location.
This looks better than some LRL reports I read for pinpointing.
Some LRLs will not show a demonstration of their pinpointing.
And if you use these other commercial LRLs to mark a spot, you will often have an empty hole until you use a metal detector to find buried metal maybe 2-3 or 10 meters distance.
You know, this is how I can easily locate coins on the beach with my "Mr. Stick" LRL, and I can guarantee it will work equal to the Dell rod or Rangertell in a scientific test.
But I know the "Mr. Stick" cannot perform as I saw in that video.

I also agree, this locator does not appear to work with the same repeatability as a White's metal detector does. It does seem to make beeps from a longer distance though, and I did see g-sani mark the center of a 1m circle that he located.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I will stay at some beeps....
It beeps at 0:50sec, 1.05,1.16,1.35, 1.38, 1.44, 1.52, 2.02, 2.05 etc.
Gsani made gain adjustment at 2.20 2.28 2.37.
What about the above beeps???, why you believe that all the other beeps was false and only near the place where DFX detected the missile of ball was good??? Also at video there are more false beeps. Lrls don't work this way :yo::yo:

Regards:)Hi Geo,
I see a lot of false beeps in the beginning when he first turned on the power, and he is is walking in circles and adjusting the sensitivity.
I expect to see some false beeping until he has the sensitivity adjusted to the point where the beeping stops.
I see the same false beeping from videos of other LRLs before they make adjustment of sensitivity.
When I watch in the videos of other LRLs, I see often the false beeping returns, and people make more adjustments to stop the false beeping, after they made adjustments earlier.

Did you not read g-sani's words to you?
"Come on Geo you know very well that I can understand if an LRL is working or not.
And also you know very well that when you adjust sensitivity in an LRL like Crypton it is wise to check or hunt in a place using a bit more of it and then a bit less of it and then also search whith sensitivity just in the limit as the maker advices you to do."

g-sani was operating the OBMD-1 the way the manufacturer told him to do it!
But after h-sani made the adjustments to the controls at 2:04, I watched him begin searching in the path to the front of him.
I do not see the beeps to all directions after he adjusted the controls at 2:04, and I begin to see very many beeps in only one location which is the location where he recovered the bullet.
I counted more than 40 beeps, and closer to 50 beeps when he pointed the locator to the direction where he recovered a bullet.

But it is interesting, there is another location where I saw more than a single beep after the locator was adjusted.
If you watch carefully just before he made his last control adjustment at 2:04, you will see g-sani is waving the locator to both sides of the road.
At 2:04 I hear 3 beeps on the side of the road away from his metal detector... on the left side of the road.
(This is another location I would have noted to check later to see if there is something buried there).
But g-sani was still making his final adjustment.
...So he made his final adjustment, and then he sweeps to the right past his metal detector and we hear no beeps.
Then he sweeps to the left past his metal detector and again we hear no beeps.
He continues sweeping, but we hear nothing until he is pointed to the direction of the bullet, we hear another beep at 2:09.
I hear beeping from at least 3 meters distance to the bullet.
But it does not beep at the iron parts of the metal detector that are a meter distance.
He continues sweeping the locator back and forth as he walks the direction of the bullet. And even when he walks closer than one meter next to the detector, it does not beep as he sweeps it past the iron in the detector.
From that point on I see him following the beeps to the buried bullet.
But I watched two times when he turned around to sweep back at the metal detector, and I did not hear beeps when he checked for beeps at the direction of the metal detector.

I watched your videos showing your LRL beeping inside your garage, and your video of a coin you buried next to an olive tree.
I also watched the videos that g-sani made.
I do not see how the g-sani videos are inferior to the videos you made.
g-sani showed from the time he turned on the locator to show the lights and controls.
Then he showed 1:40 minutes of making control adjustments while the locator was warming up.
Then he showed walking in a treasure field and pointing many directions.
I watched him scan over the iron parts of his metal detector and show what was the response from the locator.
Then I watched him follow places where he found beeps were coming from one location.
Then I watched him check the location of the beeps from every direction, and even mark the spot with his foot.
Then I watch him confirm the signal is not coming from the iron in his metal detector before he stops the LRL hunt and pinpoints with the metal detector.
I see him do all of this and he also shows recovery of a treasure that he did not know the location of.
When did anyone else do all of these things in a single video?
g-sani has made one of the best LRL demonstration videos I have ever seen.

I think the people who read this forum can watch the video g-sani made and decide what they see and hear with their own eyes and ears.
Then they can decide whether they believe they are observing a magnetometer, or they can decide if they are observing a locator that does not detect ferrous metals.
You are saying LRLs don't work that way.
If LRLs don't work that way, then why do we see other LRL hobbyists making adjustments to the controls to change the beeping sensitivity and threshold?
Why does the manufacturer tell g-sani to make these adjustments?

I have read reports that several people have recovered many coins and other non-ferous buried things using the OBMD-1, and that it does not detect ferrous metals or magnets.
Then I watched a video that confirms the reports I read exactly.

You are the person who says the photo of the circuit board proves it can only detect magnetic field anomalies.
Tell us now why it failed to detect a magnetic field anomaly, but made close to 50 beeps when pointed at the location of the buried bullet?
Tell us how g-sani failed to follow the instructions that he was given by the manufacturer.
And tell us how g-sani caused the locator to beep only when he pointed it at the buried bullet, but not beep when he pointed it at the iron parts of the metal detector much closer?

Do you understand all the people who have used the OBMD-1 are reporting they are recovering coins and other buried non-ferrous metals and it does not detect iron?
Are you calling g-sani, Rubin and Andreas liars?
Do you want me to believe the g-sani video a fake video?
.... and your proof is because your photo of a circuit board plus the components you will draw on the board will prove they are liars?
I believe hard evidence that people observe is stronger than any guessed components and assumptions that there is no extra circuitry which you don't know about.
You would first need to explain why we see the OBMD-1 perform like a locator that does not detect magnetic anomalies before you could convince me to believe you are right and they are giving false observations and false video.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Geo]

Hi J_P.
Ohhh i forgot, there is and rubin :lol::lol:.
From what i read at Greek forum, nobody bought the Cryfton. Maybe Andreas is not a friend of me but Gsani is friend so i don't say him lier. I say that the DFX found the missile of ball and not the "Andy flind magnetic field detector".
All the people can make 100 videos like this, "full sensitivity, random beeps and a area detect with a md:lol:). If these random beeps are ok then what we can say about Morgan PD where the beeps are continuous and no false??? LRLs must work as the Morgans PD.
I don't like to spend more time with this .......
When i put the schematic, you will understand (if you want to understand).

Regards:)

[Astrodetect]

Hi
I dont know about the OBMD-1 LRL but for my red Alonso LRL I can tell you that it has 2 circuits for detection, one of them is the passive receiver as you know it from Alonso PD, and the other is an optical light level detector, I dont know what exactly this must detect, from my experience you adjust this at a certain threshold, and then if the light changes it beeps---also it beeps at darkness not light. It can only detect freshly dug and filled in holes--(the light variation of the ground terrain), but I have never found anything with it.
Regards

[J_Player]

Hi
I dont know about the OBMD-1 LRL but for my red Alonso LRL I can tell you that it has 2 circuits for detection, one of them is the passive receiver as you know it from Alonso PD, and the other is an optical light level detector, I dont know what exactly this must detect, from my experience you adjust this at a certain threshold, and then if the light changes it beeps---also it beeps at darkness not light. It can only detect freshly dug and filled in holes--(the light variation of the ground terrain), but I have never found anything with it.
RegardsHi Astrodetect,
This sounds like an interesting circuit.
It seems interesting not for finding treasure, but for a puzzle to study.
Why don't you start a new thread and post photos of the inside and outside, and put a schematic?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[hung]

When this forum was an add-on to the original geoskepthic site it was infested with 'skepthics' with their attacks to the LRLers and most of all, a campaign to end the RS forum.

When the split happened, a few 'skepthics' moved along.

Huummm... fishy ain't it?

Now one is even helping a guy creating schematics.:lol:
And the other makes justice to his avatar when a creature is standing back and all of a sudden it comes up front as if were to swallow its prey...

The inocent LRLer might ask... why these guys who have always attacked LRLs are now here discussing LRL BS as they have always stated?

Huummm... fishy ain't it?

And now one skepthic here 'feels confortable' to keep requesting that some users of LRLs open their devices to post pictures just for the sake of ... 'studying'?:lol::lol:

Well, LRLers... these guys now think we are even more stupid then they tought in the first time...
The chinese finally have a great cloning competitor here in this forum.

I know Astrodetect and also know that he's got ethics.
I don't think he would agree with the 'inocent' J______P's request.

The true 'ethical' skepthic would buy a LRL device and make all the mambo jambo they like since it's their money. Not other's money.
But hey, 'ethics' is not a very common word in skepthics' vocabulary.

Hey J______P, if one day I happen to have comercial intentions like you, I would be happy to send you a Tubedec A9000 for you to 'study'.
But this would cost you US$ 45,000. And it would feature a super high resistance new resin in the circuit components.

Well...
Christmas time. I wish the LRLers a wonderful night of piece and joy. It's Christ, his teachings and love we celebrate.
I wish Santa gives the 'skepthics' new 'armchairs' for treasure hunting next year.

Will rest today. Tomorrow back to the field for locating probable sunken gold close to a beach.
See ya.

[WM6]

.. why these guys who have always attacked LRLs are now here discussing LRL

.

Sceptics never attacked LRL. To develop usable Long Range Locator is goal of our all. Usable LRL, not scam LRL or (self)deceptive LRL!

We only attacked LRL-fraud-companies and LRL-scammers like you. LRL-fraudsters and LRL-scammers will be attacked and disclosed in future too.

A bit different thing, bout seems out of your LRL-scam-propaganda understanding.

Wish you Merry Christmas and happy fair-full New Year 2012.

[Geo]

Hi Astrodetect,
This sounds like an interesting circuit.
It seems interesting not for finding treasure, but for a puzzle to study.
Why don't you start a new thread and post photos of the inside and outside, and put a schematic?


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hahahaha.......:lol::lol::lol:
Hi J_P.
Now you want photos of the inside and outside of red PD????
But, why you don't want photos from the inside and outside of Cryfton????:lol::lol:
You don't believe at photos!!!

Regards:)

[J_Player]

When this forum was an add-on to the original geoskepthic site it was infested with 'skepthics' with their attacks to the LRLers and most of all, a campaign to end the RS forum.

When the split happened, a few 'skepthics' moved along.

Huummm... fishy ain't it?

Now one is even helping a guy creating schematics.:lol:
And the other makes justice to his avatar when a creature is standing back and all of a sudden it comes up front as if were to swallow its prey...

The inocent LRLer might ask... why these guys who have always attacked LRLs are now here discussing LRL BS as they have always stated?

Huummm... fishy ain't it?

And now one skepthic here 'feels confortable' to keep requesting that some users of LRLs open their devices to post pictures just for the sake of ... 'studying'?:lol::lol:

Well, LRLers... these guys now think we are even more stupid then they tought in the first time...
The chinese finally have a great cloning competitor here in this forum.

I know Astrodetect and also know that he's got ethics.
I don't think he would agree with the 'inocent' J______P's request.

The true 'ethical' skepthic would buy a LRL device and make all the mambo jambo they like since it's their money. Not other's money.
But hey, 'ethics' is not a very common word in skepthics' vocabulary.

Hey J______P, if one day I happen to have comercial intentions like you, I would be happy to send you a Tubedec A9000 for you to 'study'.
But this would cost you US$ 45,000. And it would feature a super high resistance new resin in the circuit components....Hahahahahaaaa http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/smilies/roll.gif
It seems quite presumptuous that you would think I have commercial intentions.
Are you trying to convince us you are retarded?
I'm not stupid enough to become involved with the commercial LRL business.
Everyone knows it is a stupid idea to be in the commercial LRL business.
It is not even profitable unless you are willing to defraud people for millions of dollars worth of fake bomb locators, and then go to jail when you get caught like Jim McCormick did.
And what if you don't want to go to jail?
Who in their right mind would want to sneak around the world staging fake LRL demonstrations so they can avoid their customers who want their money back?
Only a retard would think that's a good idea.

I have been an LRL enthusiast since my first posts here in 2006.
The only difference between me and other LRL enthusiasts is I do not like fake science or fake LRLs that don't perform like they are advertised to perform.
This forum is full of posts by treasure hunters who were ripped off by Mineoro, OKM, and all sorts of dowsing-rod type locators like H3-Tec.
They cannot get their money back when they find out the locator does not work the way they were told it would work.
This is what is wrong with the ethics of commercial LRLs.
They should be ashamed for walking away from their customers who cannot get the equipment to work.
And it convinces me very certainly that I will never be associated with the commercial LRL business.

Whats funny is you are trying to convince us it is unethical to look inside one of these non-working LRLs.
Well guess what?
Whoever paid for it was CHEATED... It does not work. It is not even an LRL... the report I read says it located no treasure.... not from long distance or from short distance.
The laws are clear. Everyone who manufactures circuitry knows their circuits are free to be reverse engineered for studying as long as they are not used for commercial purposes.
Their customer paid for that right the minute they handed money to the seller of the LRL.
But in this case, we are talking about a non-working LRL.
Someone paid the full price for a working LRL... then he found that it does not work.
But Dr. hung says he should also be prevented from using his rights to open it and show what is inside? :rolleyes:

But how did your $45.000 "Tubedec" LRL leak into the topic of "ethics"?
If I wanted a crappy LRL that does not work except on a few lucky days, I would buy it directly from Mineoro, not from you.
Actually I could buy a used one from someone who can't get it to work for under $1200.
But I don't have any use for an LRL that does not work.
Your "Tubedec" enclosure and labeling isn't worth any more than about $150 to me for museum piece collector's value.
By the way, are you paying Mineoro royalties since you assembled your "Tubedec"?

Mineoro should never have published false information in their literature to say they have patented technology in their locators.
Most LRL experimenters already know they own no patents, and a good part of their circuits were taken from the work of American engineers who they did not pay any royalties to.
It makes me laugh when I see people trying to make a profit on design work they took from someone else, who also took from someone else before them, while they claim they are protected by patents.
It seems funny to me how people claim the and that these are their own designs.
And they have the nerve to talk about ethics to try to prevent people from using the rights they paid for before they discovered the locator doesn't work.

I hope you have some lucky days with your "Tubedec".


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi J_P.
Ohhh i forgot, there is and rubin :lol::lol:.
From what i read at Greek forum, nobody bought the Cryfton. Maybe Andreas is not a friend of me but Gsani is friend so i don't say him lier. I say that the DFX found the missile of ball and not the "Andy flind magnetic field detector".
All the people can make 100 videos like this, "full sensitivity, random beeps and a area detect with a md:lol:). If these random beeps are ok then what we can say about Morgan PD where the beeps are continuous and no false??? LRLs must work as the Morgans PD.
I don't like to spend more time with this .......
When i put the schematic, you will understand (if you want to understand).

Regards:)




merry Christmas for you and your family,and good luck with your LRL´s .
:cheers:

[g-sani]

I thought that this video could show clearly that they were consistent beeps at least in that direction where I found the bullet but I also thought that if somebody watch the video carefully then he can understand that I was also getting some other line in the oposite direction.
So when I watched this video myself for the first time I thought this is good because it shows I was getting many repeating beeps in that particular line and while I was trying to figure out the exact place of the possible target.
But now I feel sorry I didn't ask a proffesional photographer to come over and shoot a video for us. I see some people can't see.
What more can I say about this? May be I see things that others don't.
Am I special gifted? Hahahahaaaa....

Of course there will be always the case of the coincedence of something else possibly been there apart from that bullet and in a depth not detectable by the DFX. But on the same hand this can always be a case for every place and every detector.
Do you believe for example that MDs can get 24cts gold? Sorry I don't think so. Even my Lorenz X3 couldn't detect it. It happened to know a couple of cases that people passed over a gold artifact which was near the surface whith their MD but they had no signal at all. Some other time one of them detected a small bronze vaze at 40cm depth. Can this person tell that it wasn't also a gold cup bellow that bronze vase or at 50cms or can he tell that it was? Either way it is nothing he can prove.
So sometimes we like it or not we do our best as we stay whith what we are able to know, as simple as that.
No, don't get me wrong about this video, it is easy for everybody to see that I was getting something at this direction and the same applies for the time I went to the other side of the walking path trying to walk around the target in order to find the exact spot trying to go as close as I could.
A few extra beeps here and there didn't realy mean much to me as I could always reduce sensitivity slightly until I was left whith fewer beeps but checking always as priority if they were in the same direction.
My opinion is as I said before.
You check a place whith different settings on the machine and this can give you extra info to judge the presence of a possible target. The left button which is marked as alarm is a tool made for the user in order to 'fine adjust' the detector in each place.
I cannot understand Geo when it says that adjusting sensitivity while detecting is wrong. He is done it himself many times and I think even Esteban advised him to do so in one of the videos and while he was testing his pistol in Portugal whith Morgan.
Of course somebody should do it while is changing positions out in the searching field. But I also agree that they are times when it is no need doing it. This is a different thing to say.
Apart from all these I also know what happened while in a place where many pieces of iron was spread around but I wasn't getting any consistent beeps in any direction.
What I did in places like that was reducing slightly the sensitivity each time I made a slowly 360' turn and then try again the same way and until I had no beeps at all.
I will say it once more that during all my outings whith Crypton I was always looking for the beeps showing up at the same direction.
When it comes to LRLs and as a treasure hunter I always try to see what extra info I can get from the detector in use and add it as an advantage in my search.
To what extend this advantage goes it is not only that has to do whith the detecting ability of the LRL but also has to do whith the user and the experience he gained using the machine.

If yourselves looking for the perfect machine that it can make your coffee as well then you can keep looking.

Merry Christmas
g-sani

[J_Player]

I thought that this video could show clearly that they were consistent beeps at least in that direction where I found the bullet but I also thought that if somebody watch the video carefully then he can understand that I was also getting some other line in the oposite direction.
So when I watched this video myself for the first time I thought this is good because it shows I was getting many repeating beeps in that particular line and while I was trying to figure out the exact place of the possible target.
But now I feel sorry I didn't ask a proffesional photographer to come over and shoot a video for us. I see some people can't see.
What more can I say about this? May be I see things that others don't.
Am I special gifted? Hahahahaaaa....

Of course there will be always the case of the coincedence of something else possibly been there apart from that bullet and in a depth not detectable by the DFX. But on the same hand this can always be a case for every place and every detector.
Do you believe for example that MDs can get 24cts gold? Sorry I don't think so. Even my Lorenz X3 couldn't detect it. It happened to know a couple of cases that people passed over a gold artifact which was near the surface whith their MD but they had no signal at all. Some other time one of them detected a small bronze vaze at 40cm depth. Can this person tell that it wasn't also a gold cup bellow that bronze vase or at 50cms or can he tell that it was? Either way it is nothing he can prove.
So sometimes we like it or not we do our best as we stay whith what we are able to know, as simple as that.
No, don't get me wrong about this video, it is easy for everybody to see that I was getting something at this direction and the same applies for the time I went to the other side of the walking path trying to walk around the target in order to find the exact spot trying to go as close as I could.
A few extra beeps here and there didn't realy mean much to me as I could always reduce sensitivity slightly until I was left with fewer beeps but checking always as priority if they were in the same direction.
My opinion is as I said before.
You check a place whith different settings on the machine and this can give you extra info to judge the presence of a possible target. The left button which is marked as alarm is a tool made for the user in order to 'fine adjust' the detector in each place.
I cannot understand Geo when it says that adjusting sensitivity while detecting is wrong. He is done it himself many times and I think even Esteban advised him to do so in one of the videos and while he was testing his pistol in Portugal with Morgan.
Of course somebody should do it while is changing positions out in the searching field. But I also agree that they are times when it is no need doing it. This is a different thing to say.
Apart from all these I also know what happened while in a place where many pieces of iron was spread around but I wasn't getting any consistent beeps in any direction.
What I did in places like that was reducing slightly the sensitivity each time I made a slowly 360' turn and then try again the same way and until I had no beeps at all.
I will say it once more that during all my outings whith Crypton I was always looking for the beeps showing up at the same direction.
When it comes to LRLs and as a treasure hunter I always try to see what extra info I can get from the detector in use and add it as an advantage in my search.
To what extend this advantage goes it is not only that has to do with the detecting ability of the LRL but also has to do with the user and the experience he gained using the machine.

If yourselves looking for the perfect machine that it can make your coffee as well then you can keep looking.

Merry Christmas
g-saniHi g-sani,
I thought your video was very good to show a demonstration of how the OBMD-1 is working. Your video was better than any other video I have seen to demonstrate an LRL working.
The only other LRL demonstration I have seen which looks as good as yours is the Morgan video at his test field with Geo, and the demonstration video hung made showing the Mineoro making beeps near a target.
Your video was different because you also showed the initial adjustments from the time when you turned it on, and you showed the recovery of the buried metal that you did not know the location of before you began in the same the video.

Anybody who watches your video can see very well that you are making adjustments at the beginning when you turn it on.
Then after you finish making the adjustments, you find some consistent beeping at one location where the bullet was recovered from every angle.
We can also see it does not beep when you sweep it very close to the iron parts of the metal detector.
We see in your video it is beeping when it is pointing to buried bullet.

Geo is the only person who says your video is false because the OBMD-1 is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies.
I don't know why he says this after he sees it does not detect the iron from your metal detector.
Maybe he says this because he wants people to believe he can guess the parts that are soldered inside the OBMD-1.
Geo says he will draw the circuit components which prove that what we are seeing in your video is a false, and the locator detects only magnetic anomalies.
But I think that anyone who watches your video will see it does not beep at the iron parts of your detector, and beeps almost 50 times when you are pointing to the buried bullet.

If you make more videos, then maybe it is a good idea to dig the hole after you put your foot to mark the spot.
Maybe you can dig the hole only from locating with the locator, then put the metal detector at the side to use only for checking the dirt you dig from the hole to see when you dig out the buried metal.
I think Geo cannot do this with his locator.
I think he must use a metal detector to make the final location like we saw in your video.
This is what Geo posted several times in the forum.
But now he says that if you do the same as he does, it is because you do not know how to use LRLs, and your metal detector is making the detection.
If your metal detector located the buried bullet, then I wonder why I see the locator making nearly 50 beeps to tell you the spot to mark with your foot where the bullet is recovered?
I also saw you checked a much larger area with the metal detector than the 1-meter circle where the locator showed.
I see the metal detector did not locate any other metal in the larger area that you checked.
The metal detector found only the same bullet that the locator beeped at.
So there was no other metal target in the area that was making false beeps.

Another thing I would like to see in a video is to check for magnetic detector.
It would be good to adjust the controls, then make a demonstration with some iron and a magnet, some brass, gold, silver, and other things to see if it will beep when you point the locator at them.
If the controls are adjusted so it is not making any random beeps, then we can see again if it will beep at at a magnet or iron or other metals that are not buried.
This will tell us for certain if it can detect magnetic field anomalies or not.
I think we already saw from your video it did not detect magnetic field anomalies, but your friend Geo is telling stories that your video is showing false beeps when he saw you adjust the controls and the threshold level.

I have one question... is there any ferrous metal in the bullet that you recovered? Will the bullet pull toward a magnet?
I still like your videos, and I hope to see more posts from other people who use the OBMD-1 to report their observations. Happy Christmas to you.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,
I thought your video was very good to show a demonstration of how the OBMD-1 is working. Your video was better than any other video I have seen to demonstrate an LRL working.
The only other LRL demonstration I have seen which looks as good as yours is the Morgan video at his test field with Geo, and the demonstration video hung made showing the Mineoro making beeps near a target.
Your video was different because you also showed the initial adjustments from the time when you turned it on, and you showed the recovery of the buried metal that you did not know the location of before you began in the same the video.

Anybody who watches your video can see very well that you are making adjustments at the beginning when you turn it on.
Then after you finish making the adjustments, you find some consistent beeping at one location where the bullet was recovered from every angle.
We can also see it does not beep when you sweep it very close to the iron parts of the metal detector.
We see in your video it is beeping when it is pointing to buried bullet.

Geo is the only person who says your video is false because the OBMD-1 is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies.
I don't know why he says this after he sees it does not detect the iron from your metal detector.
Maybe he says this because he wants people to believe he can guess the parts that are soldered inside the OBMD-1.
Geo says he will draw the circuit components which prove that what we are seeing in your video is a false, and the locator detects only magnetic anomalies.
But I think that anyone who watches your video will see it does not beep at the iron parts of your detector, and beeps almost 50 times when you are pointing to the buried bullet.

If you make more videos, then maybe it is a good idea to dig the hole after you put your foot to mark the spot.
Maybe you can dig the hole only from locating with the locator, then put the metal detector at the side to use only for checking the dirt you dig from the hole to see when you dig out the buried metal.
I think Geo cannot do this with his locator.
I think he must use a metal detector to make the final location like we saw in your video.
This is what Geo posted several times in the forum.
But now he says that if you do the same as he does, it is because you do not know how to use LRLs, and your metal detector is making the detection.
If your metal detector located the buried bullet, then I wonder why I see the locator making nearly 50 beeps to tell you the spot to mark with your foot where the bullet is recovered?
I also saw you checked a much larger area with the metal detector than the 1-meter circle where the locator showed.
I see the metal detector did not locate any other metal in the larger area that you checked.
The metal detector found only the same bullet that the locator beeped at.
So there was no other metal target in the area that was making false beeps.

Another thing I would like to see in a video is to check for magnetic detector.
It would be good to adjust the controls, then make a demonstration with some iron and a magnet, some brass, gold, silver, and other things to see if it will beep when you point the locator at them.
If the controls are adjusted so it is not making any random beeps, then we can see again if it will beep at at a magnet or iron or other metals that are not buried.
This will tell us for certain if it can detect magnetic field anomalies or not.
I think we already saw from your video it did not detect magnetic field anomalies, but your friend Geo is telling stories that your video is showing false beeps when he saw you adjust the controls and the threshold level.

I have one question... is there any ferrous metal in the bullet that you recovered? Will the bullet pull toward a magnet?
I still like your videos, and I hope to see more posts from other people who use the OBMD-1 to report their observations. Happy Christmas to you.


Best wishes, :)
J_P

Hallo J_P, Merry Christmas
I don't think that it was some ferous metal in any proportion in that bullet.Of course it was made from some alloy of metals but mostly from lead.The only thing I could say is that although it was all made from a lead alloy it looked like there was an outer shell which was a bit different in composition from the inner part of the bullet.Probably this contains some copper in it as well which has a better resistance than lead in corosion.You see I am guessing this because that was having a darker colour compared to the inner material.Of course it all depends to the soil and the weather conditions of the place and the time that has been burried.
The time this test took place it was late August and it was dry warm days.last raining day was at least three weeks ago. You can see it in the video how difficult it was to dig.There was dust coming up every time I was hitting the soil whith that tool.
I should have taken that bullet whith me but I didn't do it because it had no value at all so I threw it somewhere there where I found it. I could then send it over to you for examination but I never thought of the extend that this discussion could have.
I said it is a bullet from the time Turks were here since it was wider heavier and it also had a rounded type head which characterises the bullets from that age.
I think that Andreas is trying now to improve Crypton for better results in more wet climates.If I remember corectly he also said this himself sometime ago somewhere in this forum. I know for sure that he is trying his best to make his customers happy selling an LRL wortrh its money compared to others and I believe he will succeed.
I don't really know how many people experienced Crypton or how many people bought it until now but time will show for sure if the results are positive and as they were expected.

Best Whishes and Happy new Year
g-sani

[Morgan]

Hallo J_P, Merry Christmas
I don't think that it was some ferous metal in any proportion in that bullet.Of course it was made from some alloy of metals but mostly from lead.The only thing I could say is that although it was all made from a lead alloy it looked like there was an outer shell which was a bit different in composition from the inner part of the bullet.Probably this contains some copper in it as well which has a better resistance than lead in corosion.You see I am guessing this because that was having a darker colour compared to the inner material.Of course it all depends to the soil and the weather conditions of the place and the time that has been burried.
The time this test took place it was late August and it was dry warm days.last raining day was at least three weeks ago. You can see it in the video how difficult it was to dig.There was dust coming up every time I was hitting the soil whith that tool.
I should have taken that bullet whith me but I didn't do it because it had no value at all so I threw it somewhere there where I found it. I could then send it over to you for examination but I never thought of the extend that this discussion could have.
I said it is a bullet from the time Turks were here since it was wider heavier and it also had a rounded type head which characterises the bullets from that age.
I think that Andreas is trying now to improve Crypton for better results in more wet climates.If I remember corectly he also said this himself sometime ago somewhere in this forum. I know for sure that he is trying his best to make his customers happy selling an LRL wortrh its money compared to others and I believe he will succeed.
I don't really know how many people experienced Crypton or how many people bought it until now but time will show for sure if the results are positive and as they were expected.

Best Whishes and Happy new Year
g-sani

Hello

How is going the field test with the Crypton ? some more finds?

Regards

[g-sani]

Hello

How is going the field test with the Crypton ? some more finds?

Regards

Not yet my friend, I am busy fishing trout at the moment but as soon as the soil become dry I will be out in the field as well.
Regards
g-sani

[aft_72005]

Hi to all
New movie for OBMD-1 published , if interest for you , please see this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGXTgn41lZ4&feature=plcp
regards.

[nelson]

To clear to many doubs, i made some test with OBMD2 (Crypton).
For this i just try to locate a know buried copper pipe that is unde my house floor.
For this i record a video and first i trace the pipe with my metal detector. Then i did the same but this time with Crypton detector.
Plese watch the video and then we can made comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMV_RZYfiuM&feature=youtu.be

Regards

Nelson



Hi J_P.
Why you have your eyes closed???
You wrote """The photo of an empty circuit board proves the OBMD-1 is a magnetic field detector which cannot detect coins or gold things,""... The photo of pcb that Andreas posted show and the components, so ti is not an empty circuit. I have the pcb, i have the component layer, i have the schematic so what other i need?????
If i will give you the schematic, AGAIN you will tell that you are not sure if it is this and again that it is a rumor :lol:.
Also why you don't believe what Andreas posted and said??? He posted the pcb of Crypton and he said that THIS is the pcb, what other would you like????? I wrote if you like to give you the link of the Greek forum where a member writes that this lrl don't work but you did not answered about this.
If you do not know something, do not write to create sensationalism

Regards:)

[g-sani]

To clear to many doubs, i made some test with OBMD2 (Crypton).
For this i just try to locate a know buried copper pipe that is unde my house floor.
For this i record a video and first i trace the pipe with my metal detector. Then i did the same but this time with Crypton detector.
Plese watch the video and then we can made comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMV_RZYfiuM&feature=youtu.be

Regards

Nelson

Well, nice video Nelson but I have to ask if this copper pipe has some live wires in it.

[nelson]

No my friend it doesnt have any live wires

Well, nice video Nelson but I have to ask if this copper pipe has some live wires in it.

[detectoman]

isnt problem by any detector to take signal from pipes due them are very groundized, this due to the earth differential concentrate in those, i see the krypton need are near on these pipe for can detect, other thing above room exist electrical lines of the lights this cause easy phenomen, why major you show us these try on outdoor bi gas pipes

no es ningun problema para cualquier detector tomar señal de las tuberias debido a que ellas estan aterrizadas, y mas al concentrar en el cobre ese diferencial de recepcion, yo veo que el kripton necesita estar muy cercas del tubo, se supone que es un larga distancia y deberia overloarse con la tremeda señal que recibiria en toda su sensibilidad eso no hace ninguna gracia a un lrl
haga la prueba sobre los grandes gasoductos de afueras de la ciudad, debera tambien detectarlos