Oh Can't WE just Vote Qiaozhi OUT as Adimistrator

[Ernie]

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

[hung]

Hi Ernie,

I vote YES.

But since I don't waste time anymore with him and also since he's Carl ´phony reports' Moreland's advocate, I don't think there will be any change.
But you can start a poll and try to elect a new administrator.

Free elections now!:D

[Ernie]

I call for all members to vote. Stuff the prize money. We are all here to progress at our hobby and to make great friendship in doing so, and all i get for QIAOZHI is sarcasme and ridicule which i believe does not take any of us forward and so i propose to vote for a new Administrator. Sorry QIAOZHI but i think your administration teachiques are antiquated.

[WM6]

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

You can only thanks to god, that I am not administrator.

You need first to fix your ground-balance and then post on forums.

[Ernie]

You can only thanks to god, that I am not administrator.

You need first to fix your ground-balance and then post on forums.

How long have we all been stuffing around pressing keypads (making the phone companies rich) with Qiaozhi as adminnistrator? and getting nowhere with this LrL forum? All Qiaozhi is doing is sending us around and around in circles with his biasing.
I VOTE TIME FOR A CHANGE - QIAOZHI OUT! NEW ADIM IN!

[kt315]

Ernie, what your problem is in? has your girl left you off?? :frown:

[Mike(Mont)]

I certainly don't agree with one word he has to say (actually I mean "parrot") about LRL's but at least he is somewhat polite. For that I would grade him a "B".

I do have to laugh when I read about how the skep's claim the LRL's have a range of inches. I think they are confused with metal detectors and they cannot even begin comprehend the abilities of the human sensing system. All energy radiates to infinity. Of course their motto is "If you can't measure it, it does not exist." For that I would grade him and every other skeptic an "F-". Only because there is no lower grade.

[Qiaozhi]

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!
As WM6 said, you should count yourself lucky that he (or a number of others) are not an administrator here. You would have been ejected months, or even years ago. Our tolerance for the nonsense you've posted here needs the patience of Job. Especially the pornographic jokes you posted recently, and which were very quickly removed. You even had the audacity to repost the same thing again after I had removed it. At the moment you're hanging on by a thread. Be warned. :nono:

[goldfinder]

Even though I don't always agree w/ Q that is his opinion. As for Ernie who doesn't produce or contribute anything, if he is dumping porno crap, I say remove him. Porn is destroying lots of people and marriages and is a very destructive element in our world.

I think Q is fine. If I had to agree with someone to have them as an associate I'd have zero friends and associates and no wife. We are all at various stages of understanding the universe. Harmony is the basic structure of the universe and it should be our modus operandi too in though word and deed !

I have tangled w/ lots of orthodox types wedded to the current physics and electronic paradigm and they have a valid point. At least most of their stuff works fairly well. I have degrees my self in science areas and I understand their mentality. That doesn't make them right 100%.

There is a huge amount of data and really good experimental evidence for alternative views. The reason most of the hardcore orthodox types won't accept it is their beliefs have become a religion with them.

If you want to put out a new science paradigm then it has to work. And the environment for it to work must be well defined.

So I vote to keep Q. If you don't agree w/ Q then ignore him.

Lets get on with developing a new science paradigm. I view some kind of LRL as a part of that.

Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

Lets get on with developing a new science paradigm. I view some kind of LRL as a part of that.
Thanks goldfinder. :friends
It's not LRL experimentation that I'm against per se. As you've seen, I have supported others in their quest for an electronic LRL, even though I am hugely skeptical of any success.

The so-called LRLs that I have a problem with are the types with a swinging handle. These are clearly dowsing rods with some attached do-nothing electronics designed to fool the technically challenged. However, there are also some attempts at creating a non-swinging handle LRL which are also clearly bogus. One of these is the Bionic device, recently posted here by Hung. I think it is important to present the scientifically-based argument against these devices, especially as a number of people have lost huge sums of money in pursuit of a dream based on false claims. Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinion, and I would be the first to say that you need to make up your own mind, and not take the "facts" at face value. If this involves some expenditure in order to obtain your "LRL education", then so be it.

But (and this applies to Ernie in particular) do not post utter garbage about dowsing and other related activities (as if they are a proven fact) without expecting someone to make a comment. In particular, please try to post things that actually make sense, and do not read like the ravings of a madman. Remember ... if you make outrageous claims, then expect to be challenged.

And one last message to Ernie. You know the rules. If you are uncertain and need a refresher, then please read them again here -> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10529
If you don't like the rules, or you simply cannot stand anyone disagreeing with you, then why not start your own dowsing-friendly forum elsewhere? Then you can happily ban all the skeptics, and wallow in your own self ignorance.

[Geo]

Albeit with Qiaozhi i have different perceptions for lrl, he is quite cooperative when i asked for help in order to upload any video from my LRLs.
I want Qiaozhi as administrator:).

[Mike(Mont)]

Thanks goldfinder. :friends
It's not LRL experimentation that I'm against per se. As you've seen, I have supported others in their quest for an electronic LRL, even though I am hugely skeptical of any success.

The so-called LRLs that I have a problem with are the types with a swinging handle. These are clearly dowsing rods with some attached do-nothing electronics designed to fool the technically challenged. However, there are also some attempts at creating a non-swinging handle LRL which are also clearly bogus. One of these is the Bionic device, recently posted here by Hung. I think it is important to present the scientifically-based argument against these devices, especially as a number of people have lost huge sums of money in pursuit of a dream based on false claims. Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinion, and I would be the first to say that you need to make up your own mind, and not take the "facts" at face value. If this involves some expenditure in order to obtain your "LRL education", then so be it.

You just need to admit you can't understand anything about L-rods then you'll be making an accurate statement. I used to think you skep's were just playing dumb, but now I think you have been brainwashed by some failure/cop-out. Just a classic case of the blind leading the blind. debunkingskeptics.com

[Qiaozhi]

You just need to admit you can't understand anything about L-rods then you'll be making an accurate statement. I used to think you skep's were just playing dumb, but now I think you have been brainwashed by some failure/cop-out. Just a classic case of the blind leading the blind. debunkingskeptics.com
Instead of making abusive comments against individuals or skeptics in general, it would make a welcome change for you guys to contribute some technical material or observations, rather than posting supposed facts based on blind faith or years of indoctrination.

[homefire]

I vote you all quit with the sniveling , produce a working LRL and PROVE it works! LOL


:lol:

[ivconic]

Usually i do not participate here in LRL threads, but now i simply must react and say something!
I just saw this topic, otherwise i would react much more earlier (obvious proof that i don't pay much attention on LRL topics lately).
Qiaozhi is best possible choice for Administrator - so i vote NO!
No way!
Among many nice people here i think he is the most suitable to be Administrator.
Pretty calm, conversant, literate, polite, fair and democratic (sometimes bit more democratic than i can understand).
So i don't see what's a problem?

[Monolith]

This is a most excellent forum and it is so because of the good administration.
My vote: The administrator stays.

About dowsing and other non scientific talk, I like to keep an open mind. We have seen in the past how paradigms are overturned and new discoveries show that science had still a lot to learn.
We all still have a lot to learn and I would love to see a dowsing science developing.
Science is proof.
Science is repeatable.

So please post some repeatable experiments. I and many others would love to repeat them.

Monolith

[Fred]

Actually i have often been amazed by the tolerance of this forum administration, and the existence of this very thread, just because one guy disagree with the admin, proves it.
Qiaozhi has been doing a great job here, and his posts and personal opinion has nothing to do with the forum moderation.
You´re making us lose our time, Ernie.

[Mike(Mont)]

Instead of making abusive comments against individuals or skeptics in general, it would make a welcome change for you guys to contribute some technical material or observations, rather than posting supposed facts based on blind faith or years of indoctrination.

I've taken more than my share of abuse in the last fifteen years on the forums from skeptics and LRL proponents. I try to be honest, and like the saying goes "The truth hurts." No one has ever accused me of being politically correct (quite the oxymoron, anyway). You skeptics have pulled every sick, deceptive, dirty trick in the book and many more. If I didn't love LRL's as much as I do I sure as Hell wouldn't be on ANY forum.

I've spent years trying to help skeptics but they don't want help. sam even admitted he enjoys ridiculing LRL proponents. First they abuse then they expect us to kiss their butt. That's how pimps operate. And you wonder why I am so disgusted. Let me just tell you something--I don't enjoy hurting ANYONE'S feelings. I know it happens--no matter what I say someone is going to find some reason to take offense. That's the "chip on your shoulder" thing. You can't believe how stupid I think you guys are. Why don't you get a frequency generator and go out and practice. You can't imagine how wonderful it is, but it takes a few weeks of daily practice and it is essential that you get over your negativity. That's not that difficult. I know some people can never get the chip off their shoulder.

See ya!

[Jim]

I vote you all quit with the sniveling , produce a working LRL and PROVE it works! LOL


:lol:

aye

[aft_72005]

Hi
My vote , NO .
Qiaozhi is good man , he act base on forum provision .
There isn’t any strong reason .
I am agree with Qiaozhi also he is administrator. http://www.iranmicro.ir/forum/images/smilies/Laie_99.gif

[ANDREAS]

My vote is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nono::nono::nono::nono:
Qiaozhi is a best choice for administator and work!!!!! for all.

[DOOLEY]

thought i'd put in my 2 peneth's worth ,

the word "truth" was mentioned earlier , is that in regard to the video of LRL at the start of the other thread ??

i watched the low budget video ,

was quite entertained with all the razzle dazzle ,even chuckled a few times , and thought it was a mere joke from a comady sketch show or a **** take video like what you find on utube ,

IF a miricle discovery happened , then it would be all over the media big time ,

i'm not against LRL's , prove to me they work , and i'll accept them
bent metal dowsing rods work for finding drains , pipes etc...etc...
they have been proven to me, i can use them , they work , and i accept them ,

but something that looks like a mere app on an android bolted to whats poss a box with a battery in it with a switch (poss simply to keep phone powered up for 16 hours)

post re-made video , that shows man (or woman) with a shovel , digging up said finds.

[FrancoItaly]

Also my vote is NO, Qiaozhi always helps by his knowledge of electronic, for example with the first Alonzo Pistol, although he does not believe in LRL phenomenon...

Best Regards

[kt315]

this is first case in history of the forum anyone wishes to delete Qiaozhi from moderators. we must think why LRL frauds are very active just here in DIY field. no place in global net you can see them so active. only here they goes by biggest solid group. I vote - GO OUT, LRLERS, YOUR PLACE IN TOILET. Qiaozhi is best moderator :nono: your dirty hands off from him!

[michael]

Admittedly Qiaozhi is LRL skeptic, but he is mostly reasonable, knowing, rational administrator with appropriate reflection & reaction to members request, So my vote: stay and keep administration.:)

[Tim Williams]

I vote no also. Balance is needed on all topics.

[J_Player]

From what I know there is no voting for administrators here unless the owner of the forum decides voting will be used to determine who is administrator.
Since it is a privately owned forum, I think we are fortunate that Carl appointed Qiaozhi as a forum administrator.

For one, Qiaozhi has contributed more of his time than anyone else, which is reflected in the number of posts we see he makes in the forum.
But his contributions are not simply making forum posts.
We see many of his posts are made to help people with technical things that range from electronics advice to handling file problems.

I see he often provides circuit solutions and other electronic information to people who experiment with LRLs.
It takes a special kind of person who is willing to help people in a cause that he does not agree with.
Keeping a remote sensing forum alive while allowing both skeptics and LRL believers to have their fair say is not an easy job.
Perhaps this is why we see overwhelming support from the skeptics, the undecided and the LRL enthusiasts all want Qiaozhi to stay as admin.

I see only two people who say they don't want Qiaozhi to administer the forum.
If this was not a privately owned forum, and if voting determined who is administrator, then it appears Qiaozhi would easily be voted as the admin by a landslide victory.
Could it be that Carl knows what it takes to administer a forum, and has chosen a very capable administrator?

Best wishes,
J_P

P.S. Thanks to Qiaozhi for a job well done... an often forgotten item.

[Jerry]

I for one am sick of Qiaozhi's Administration with his biasing of this subject and call for a NEW ADMINISTRATOR. Were going nowhere on the LRL trail! And it's taking too long!

I have a hard time believing that something like this was actually posted!

Wanting to remove the Administrator from Forum that has for years given you a place to post your ideas your LRL stuff is simply amazing!!!!

Lots of luck finding another forum which will let you post like Carl and Qiaozhi have here.

Talk about biting the hand that is feeds you!

Jerry

[simonbaker]

I think we should not ridicule LRL developers even if we do not believe in the technology so long as they they do not ridicule conventional metal detector developers.

They should be welcome to have their discussions amongst themselves. If they all become rich from their finds that will be their proof. If they have fun, that is good enough too. If something they discuss sounds like real engineering/science, we might be able to benefit from it. If it sounds like pseudo-science, we can ignore it and let them discuss it to their hearts content.

I think what Qiaozhi and myself included are dismayed by are LRL marketers who appear to make unsubstantiated claims for the purpose of getting people's money -- i.e. ripping them off.

I suspect such people infect sites like this to create a belief system based on pseudo-science so that they can more convincingly sell and rip off people's money. Elaborate arguments with some scientific references can be quite believable to people who are not practiced in the scientific method. The nutrition industry employs similar techniques.

I have no problem with people espousing their beliefs or investigating these concepts, just don't do it corruptly for the purpose of swindling innocent people.

Unfortunately it is impossible to tell who is pure of heart and who is corrupt. Because of that, this website, which is mostly founded on scientific method, feels a duty to show some skepticism towards claims that might lead to some people being swindled out of money. It is more in the spirit of protecting LRL-oriented members, not harassing them.

However, I'm sure that many of us (myself included) who adhere to the scientific method do sometimes feel and express that LRL technology, as presented here so far, seems to be some kind of fantasy. I suggest we should restrain ourselves in the future so long as the LRL thread is not interfering with some non-LRL topic. If LRL builders are experimenting with electronics and physics, they rightly would like to take advantage of knowledge on this site. And LRL people should be careful not to interfere with discussions where people want to proceed using the scientific method, which requires much proof and demonstration of claims. Just common courtesy.

Now, I have nothing against free-for-all hot-tempered discussions as long as we create an area for that and everybody is warned that there will not be much courtesy there, so they can have fun flaming each other. But just keep it there. We could call it the Jackass thread or something.

So to all pure-of-heart LRL'ers, I apologize if I have been rude in the past. To corrupt ones trying to get money for false claims, I say begone!

-SB:D

[LRLMAN]

NO, NO, NO, PLEASE...........QUIAOZHI is a goog administration, he is a good Friend, good element in this forum, he is a good person, Qiaozhi has been doing a great job here, I want Qiaozhi as administrator,

Qiaozhi is best choice for Administrator here............ i vote:

The administrator QIAOZHI STAY HEERE!!!!!!!!! NO GO!!!!

GREETINGS QIAOZHI!!!!!!! don't worry!!!!!!!

LRLMAN.

[Carl-NC]

Wow. Go backpacking a few days and look what happens!

Folks, first of all, I have the utmost respect for Qiaozhi; I have personally met him, and we see very much eye-to-eye about a lot of things. I wasn't even looking for admin help at the time but thought he'd be the ideal person. I was right.

Second, I would not allow anyone to moderate this forum except a skeptic. I have a large box full of LRL fraud that anyone is free to inspect and try out. I have no desire for an official Geotech representative to be an advocate for this crap.

Third, Qiaozhi has gone well beyond anything I would do with this forum, by fostering investigations and experiments into particular claims, especially those of so-called pistol locators. If those investigations did not produce good results, then continued skepticism is warranted.

Finally, even though Geotech is owned by someone who is highly skeptical of LRLs, I have nevertheless allowed pretty much unfettered discussions about them, even when a few of the participants overtly call me a liar, and even when others demand I shut this part of the forums down. Qiaozhi and I have also managed to keep the most cynical and disruptive skeptics under control. Go over to TNet and try to openly discuss LRLs, see where that gets ya.

I practically never personally visit this forum any more and have no desire to monitor it, so the day I remove Qiaozhi as admin is the day I shut down the RS forum.

- Carl

[Geo]

The boss talked, now the heads inside.:lol::lol::lol:

Hey Carl.....:)

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks everyone for your support. Well ... except the two (obvious) dissenters.
Although, as you can see from Carl's post, Ernie's feeble attempt to oust me from a position of power were somewhat academic. In other words, there was more chance of him flying to the dark side of the moon. Which, come to think of it, might not be a bad idea. I've heard that private space flights will soon be a reality, with KLM's Lynx spaceplane going into competition with Virgin Galactic. Advanced tickets are available from KLM for about £60,000. So presumably that means a one-way ticket could be purchased for half that price. There are over 3,000 members on Geotech, and a contribution of only £10 each could be money well spent. But now I've gone completely off topic and lost the plot. :offtopic

One last think though ... Very good summary from Simon. I almost 100% agree, except for the part about a Jackass thread. We do not want to encourage "free-for-all hot-tempered discussions" of any form. The idea is to keep the discussions civil. Any out-of-hand posts are removed pretty quickly, and I would like to keep it that way. After all, we can agree to disagree, but we should all stay friends. :friends
If anyone wants to winge and whine, they can do it over on TNET.

[satdaveuk]

This is bul****, use your time on constructive things ie project building, Its a big NO Q is doing a fine job

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Qiaozhi
After so many good reviews who you accepted in this thread, you ought to be placed a photo of yourself so we know and optical "our administrator :)".....

:):)

[gibon]

Thanks everyone for your support. Well ... except the two (obvious) dissenters.
Although, as you can see from Carl's post, Ernie's feeble attempt to oust me from a position of power were somewhat academic. In other words, there was more chance of him flying to the dark side of the moon. Which, come to think of it, might not be a bad idea. I've heard that private space flights will soon be a reality, with KLM's Lynx spaceplane going into competition with Virgin Galactic. Advanced tickets are available from KLM for about £60,000. So presumably that means a one-way ticket could be purchased for half that price. There are over 3,000 members on Geotech, and a contribution of only £10 each could be money well spent. But now I've gone completely off topic and lost the plot. :offtopic

One last think though ... Very good summary from Simon. I almost 100% agree, except for the part about a Jackass thread. We do not want to encourage "free-for-all hot-tempered discussions" of any form. The idea is to keep the discussions civil. Any out-of-hand posts are removed pretty quickly, and I would like to keep it that way. After all, we can agree to disagree, but we should all stay friends. :friends
If anyone wants to winge and whine, they can do it over on TNET.



Hello Qiaozhi,

What a storie !!! . A skeptick member becoming pornograph and impolite :nono: .

This is the Kind of attitude we are suffering all the time here on Geotech forum :frown:.

How would you like to talk and defend ourselve as LRL USER :shocked: ? .

Since I'm member this is always the skeptick side which is making probleme :p.

Everybody knows that you are skepticks Carl and you so it 's always good to see

that Wolfs are fitting themlseves.


http://musiqueelfiquehotmailfr.m.u.pic.centerblog.net/72d2u8i9.jpg


So don't worry QIAOZHI even if we aren't in democratie here on GEOTECH forum ( Carl

closed definitely the subject ), I vote for YOU QIAOZHI.

I LOVE YOU QIAOZHI !!!! http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkgoPjZYcEZ0WE6FbvGnOj4LeEFcDhe NSy8Ck2MjgFT5ZluHME_Q



Happy prospecting

GIBON

[Qiaozhi]

Hello Qiaozhi,

What a storie !!! . A skeptick member becoming pornograph and impolite :nono: .

This is the Kind of attitude we are suffering all the time here on Geotech forum :frown:.

How would you like to talk and defend ourselve as LRL USER :shocked: ? .

Since I'm member this is always the skeptick side which is making probleme :p.

Everybody knows that you are skepticks Carl and you so it 's always good to see

that Wolfs are fitting themlseves.


Do don't worry QIAOZHI even if we aren't in democratie here on GEOTECH forum ( Carl

closed definitely the subject ), I vote for YOU QIAOZHI.

I LOVE YOU QIAOZHI !!!!

Happy prospecting

GIBON


There should be no need to "defend yourself", as you put it.
There are plenty of members here who have no trouble whatsoever discussing LRL technology ... and that's all we ask ... simply keep it technical, and you will not have a problem. If you want to rant and rave, do it over on TNET.

Of course, if you're an advocate of dowsing then there is little to discuss here anyway, as there is nothing technical about two bent coat hangers, unless you want to try introducing magnetically levitated low friction bearings, or some other contrivance. But even then, the concept is somewhat pointless and you're bound to get a lot of flak.

Let's consider the Bionic devices, for example. If anyone is interested in developing a DIY device using the claimed principle of the Bionic, then please go ahead. I will be one of the first to assist, even though I can probably already predict the likely result of these experiments. Experiments are good, even those involving LRLs. They help to enhance our knowledge and sort the good from the bad.

At the end of the day, remember the old adage ... "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." :bash

[Qiaozhi]

I have just removed yet another post by Ernie. This time involving artificial insemination, which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, or indeed anything to do with treasure hunting technology.

To Ernie - Despite previously giving you one last chance, I have left you teetering on the edge. One more post like the last, and you're history.

Go ahead ... make my day.

[Qiaozhi]

Obviously Ernie was determined to carry on and see how far he could push the limits of our patience on Geotech, and I have to inform you that he eventually found it. He now joins a very select group that have managed to get themselves banned despite the odds.

Goodbye Ernie.

[homefire]

:lol: Any one that is unhappy here can always start there own forum!

There are lots of Free host out there.

Be Gone With Ya!

I my self like it here!

[simonbaker]

I almost 100% agree, except for the part about a Jackass thread.

Yeah, too much trouble in the end (is that a pun?).

[Mike(Mont)]

Thanks everyone for your support. Well ... except the two (obvious) dissenters.

I guess you are referring to uncle earnie and I don't know who else. What do you want???? I gave you a "B". That's not good enough? The "F-" was what I thought about your opinions on LRL's and lotto dowsing. Sorry for being honest.

http://debunkingskeptics.com/Page1.htm

[Zocky-Zocky]

Dear friends!
A few days ago I came to the forum and did not see this discussion.
If it means something to someone, I vote to keep Qiazhi administrator, from (at least) a couple of reasons:
- Education;
- Reasonable;
- Tolerant;
- Well-intentioned;
- "Voice of reason";
-etc, etc. ....:)
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[Qiaozhi]

I guess you are referring to uncle earnie and I don't know who else. What do you want???? I gave you a "B". That's not good enough? The "F-" was what I thought about your opinions on LRL's and lotto dowsing. Sorry for being honest.

http://debunkingskeptics.com/Page1.htm
Don't panic! :???:
The other person was Hung (who else?). See post #2.

[Qiaozhi]

I didn't want to ban Ernie, but he gave me no choice after blatantly defying my numerous warnings. It's as if he didn't believe I really had the power to eject him from Geotech, and wanted to call my bluff. But now he has to face up to reality. Actually, maybe that's a bit hopeful ... I should have said, now he has to face up to being ostracised from the Geotech forums.

Anyway, let's move on. This thread is long enough already.

[Geo]

I didn't want to ban Ernie, but he gave me no choice after blatantly defying my numerous warnings. It's as if he didn't believe I really had the power to eject him from Geotech, and wanted to call my bluff. But now he has to face up to reality. Actually, maybe that's a bit hopeful ... I should have said, now he has to face up to being ostracised from the Geotech forums.

Anyway, let's move on. This thread is long enough already.

I think that it is time to close (lock) this thread:)

[Qiaozhi]

I think that it is time to close (lock) this thread:)
Good idea. :hat
It's now locked.