Fake Explosives and Drugs detectors

[Diohuni]

Has anyone in metal detector World been sold or bought any of the swivelling radio aerial fake detectors? Hope not.

See here for the latest news on the scam from BBC Newsnight. Please spread the word and get this finished;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxArxIgB9oA&feature=player_embedded

Cheers,
Dubious ****
The Fake Detector Campaign Group

[kt315]

the pool is here http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16742

I always did say these very active member like ivconic etc - you are not getting the money for dowsing rod and you only spread the fake here in forum. these people are only very aggresively replied.

where is ivconic NOW? WHERE? why he is silent now? what the hell he does not wish answer?

ivconic is THE HEART OF REMOTE B@LL SH!T SENSING and THE MAIN MIND CENTER ATTRACTIVING FALSE REMOTE SENSING AFFIRMATIONS AND REMOTE SENSING SCAM.

[Qiaozhi]

Has anyone in metal detector World been sold or bought any of the swivelling radio aerial fake detectors? Hope not.

See here for the latest news on the scam from BBC Newsnight. Please spread the word and get this finished;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxArxIgB9oA&feature=player_embedded

Cheers,
Dubious ****
The Fake Detector Campaign Group
Thanks for posting the youtube link. I must have missed that Newsnight program when it was broadcast. Although we already know about this fake detector on Geotech, the video really does leave you speechless and wondering about human stupidity. :angry:

[Diohuni]

Thanks. The problem is we have not yet shut down the scam properly here in the UK and Germany (see Unival HEDD1) and want to keep the information up to date.

Please spread the word.

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks. The problem is we have not yet shut down the scam properly here in the UK and Germany (see Unival HEDD1) and want to keep the information up to date.

Please spread the word.
You should also post the video link on www.thunting.com and www.treasurenet.com

[Diohuni]

Posting now...anyone with a blog or website, please provide links to the BBC story or our blogs to keep this in the headlines on Google etc..

[kt315]

Thanks. The problem is we have not yet shut down the scam properly here in the UK and Germany (see Unival HEDD1) and want to keep the information up to date.

Please spread the word.

Diohuni, thanks for your anti-spam support. I was being alone before this moment. the forum is really the nest of remote sensing scam. this is why American people do not wish to be active in this forum, it is main cause. you will not meet Bob Sickler here, you will not meet George Payne here, you will not meet another gurus of electronics here!
read what #1 LRLs' scammer wrote me in PM. his nickname is ivconic. people of planet have to stop this matter anyway! kick in *** all LRL supporters and idiots!


are you real man or yoyo?

"...especcialy from our Guru... ivconic!.."

What is the meaning of this? Can't you just leave me alone, without mentioning my name anywhere? I was hoping that you are quite different from few yoyos from this forum? It s not fair mentioning my name here while i am absent and not taking a part in this forum anymore. I will not come and post nothing on this forum anymore...never. That was my final decision and i will respect that for ever. I am still using private messages from time to time to contact few friends from here. So..please do not talk about me anymore, simply it is not fair. I will switch off private messages now, from my CP. Best regards KT...

[WM6]

Hi KT315

I must say ,that you are wrong, dear friend, ivconic is not LRL believer and not LRL promoter. In fact he is hard skeptic in this question.

I dont know where you get idea that ivconic is LRL believer?

Yes, he was testing in past some LRL projects, but according his own claims with 100% negative results.

He declared clear himself as sceptic and probably he know at the best what he is.

Can you say that this man is LRL believer or promoter (please read)?:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=91662&postcount=123

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96545&postcount=29

[Diohuni]

I am not sure what internal arguments you have here but is it ok if this thread is just left for information directly on the fake detector scandal please

Newsnight link again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxArxIgB9oA&feature=player_embedded

[kt315]

Hi KT315

I must say ,that you are wrong, dear friend, ivconic is not LRL believer and not LRL promoter. In fact he is hard skeptic in this question.

I dont know where you get idea that ivconic is LRL believer?


ivconic has #4 place as poster. has 3890 posts here. BTW it is very MUCH. his half of activity was in LRL threads. or you want to say if he gives right info he has full right to give the sh!t? not! or you are HONEST at all or you are waiting anybody will give you the direction.
if you are really sceptic so BE the sceptic anywhere and anytime and do not spread do not support idiotic absoliutely un-realistic theory here. yes, I also like sci fiction movies... but these are only movies... nothing of reality!

tell us more about ivconic.

[ApBerg]

Hello Kt315,

Heuuu.... I cannot believe that Ivconic has anything to do with this Fake detectors !

In the past that Ivica was on Geotech he always has shared much info!

KT315 I agree with you that those long range detectors are not working and I cannot understand that there are people that buy those things for so much money....

Regards.

Ap

[WM6]

tell me more about ivconic.



All that I can tell you is that ivconic is left this forum, so we can be correct and leave him in peace, sceptic or believer, no matter.

The real LRL scammers, that Diohuni post here, are what would we have to worry about.

[kt315]

Hello Kt315,

Heuuu.... I cannot believe that Ivconic has anything to do with this Fake detectors !

In the past that Ivica was on Geotech he always has shared much info!

KT315 I agree with you that those long range detectors are not working and I cannot understand that there are people that buy those things for so much money....

Regards.

Ap

Ap, you do not understand what I try to say. ivconic (and similar lrl frauds certainly) is the cause why gurus are not wishing to visit the forum. if one goes in forum he sees only the activity in REMOTE SENSING. that actions like a banner HERE ARE SCAMMERS AND NEST OF BULL SH!T GUYS. Ivica can write what he wants, it is his holy right, but crazy activity on REMOTE SENSING is a sign to all - this guy are not stopped, not banned, not blocked out anywhere and anytime. this guy is HERO here or who is he? what does this guy in forum? why he spreads the scam so actively? why moderator likes this guy?

open another forum and PLEASE point my face on REMOTE SENSING AND IVCONIC'S NOISE there! http://thunting.com/smf/modifications_do_it_yourself_repairs-b176.0/

so WHY these guys are feeling himself so well here? why geotech is the place they had choiced of they can flout ride scoff aggressively attack at honest folks?? WHY?

[goldfinder]

Ap, you do not understand what I try to say. ivconic (and similar lrl frauds certainly) is the cause why gurus are not wishing to visit the forum. if one goes in forum he sees only the activity in REMOTE SENSING. that actions like a banner HERE ARE SCAMMERS AND NEST OF BULL SH!T GUYS. Ivica can write what he wants, it is his holy right, but crazy activity on REMOTE SENSING is a sign to all - this guy are not stopped, not banned, not blocked out anywhere and anytime. this guy is HERO here or who is he? what does this guy in forum? why he spreads the scam so actively? why moderator likes this guy?

open another forum and PLEASE point my face on REMOTE SENSING AND IVCONIC'S NOISE there! http://thunting.com/smf/modifications_do_it_yourself_repairs-b176.0/

so WHY these guys are feeling himself so well here? why geotech is the place they had choiced of they can flout ride scoff aggressively attack at honest folks?? WHY?
KT135
I have been reading this forum for many years and Ivconic is probably one of the biggest skeptics of the dowsing LRL types but he is quite fair in his appraisals.

You are obviously misinformed or you have an agenda against him. I suggest you check out your facts. Ivconic tries his best to be scientific about various claims and so far the dowsing type LRLs have proven totally ineffective.
Goldfinder.

[Diohuni]

It is not a question, as the previous poster suggests, that the swivelling aerial devices have proved ineffective so far.

They are and alsways will be ineffective. From a scientific point of view, apart from the fact that the sellers of this scam have regularly change their minds about the working prnciples (see Dodgy James McCormick of ATSC, who managed to bribe Iraqi nterior Ministry officials to buy $85 million USD of the ADE 651 -see flip flopping from NQR Nuclear Quadropole Resonance, to Thermo-redux to etc etc, there is no credible working principle. Perhaps other than the ideomotor dowsing effect (Yes folks, dowsing does not and never can work!)

So, scientifically, there was never any issue as to whether these stupid toys could or could not work. There was never an argument to be had on that basis. The only issue was how quickly we could get this stupid business shut down, and the crininals behind it convicted.

That is what the campaign has been about from the beginning. It has taken a lot longer than it should have doe for a variety of reasons. However, one clear issue is the ridiculous relativism that we see everywhere. A fair hearing for all, despite the lunacy of some.

Anyhow, whatever the argument there is here between forum members, please do not forget the objective i.e. spread the word and help, in a small way, to add a much needed dose of rationality, to a sadly still very irrational World!

Once again I am including the BBC Newsnight link so it does not get submerged by infighting on the board. Perhaps you can set up a separate thread on the merits or otherwise of your posters? Please do not derail the main issue here!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxArxIgB9oA&feature=player_embedded

Also, the blogs that have been following the story for a while now at:
http://ade651gt200scamfraud.blogspot.com

http://explosivedetectorfrauds.blogspot.com/

http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/

Many thanks to anyone who joins in this campaign!!

[Diohuni]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/02/17/uk-iraq-britain-explosives-idUKTRE71G3H120110217

The man who said:

“Whether it’s magic or scientific, what I care about is it detects bombs,” said Maj. Gen. Jehad al-Jabiri, head of the Ministry of the Interior’s General Directorate for Combating Explosives.

“I don’t care about Sandia or the Department of Justice or any of them,” General Jabiri said. “I know more about this issue than the Americans do. In fact, I know more about bombs than anyone in the world.”

Now for the rest of the crooks e.g.
General Pierre hadji Georgiou, ProSec Lebanon (agents for ADE651 sales to Iraq)
Stelian Ilie at Mira Telecom, Romania, partners to James McCormick and the ADE651

McCormick has money stashed away in both these countries.

Also:
John Wyatt SDS Group UK agents for HEDD1
David Vollmar, Unival Germany. Took the discredited Sniffex from the US. Renamed it Sniffex Plus. Now renamed HEDD1 after the pressure.( Hasn't Even detected DooDoo Once!)
Horizon Group India. Agents for the GT200
Gary Bolton, Global Technical. GT200

[kt315]

KT135
I have been reading this forum for many years and Ivconic is probably one of the biggest skeptics of the dowsing LRL types but he is quite fair in his appraisals.

You are obviously misinformed or you have an agenda against him. I suggest you check out your facts. Ivconic tries his best to be scientific about various claims and so far the dowsing type LRLs have proven totally ineffective.
Goldfinder.

oh eah my friend... ivconic was under NATO bombs and began learnt the dowsing rods because got the lesson... poor boy... then we have to change a name of love ivconic's forum? in name of the best sceptic overworld? eah?

Remote Sensing Scepticism and LRLs' Frauds Woldwide (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13)(20 Viewing)
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[Diohuni]

Hi,

I am sure you are very sincere about your arguments over I.

Problem is this is not a thread about that. This is a thread designed to inform you all of the latest developments, and maybe get some support for the campaign.

If you wish to help please join us here
http://groups.google.com/group/the-fake-explosives-detector-campaign?pli=1

Otherwise, may I respectfully suggest that you start a new thread to continue you debate about I?

Otherwise it makes it moree difficult for people coming to this fresh to understand what is going on.

Be very grateful.

Thanks,
The Fake Explosives Detector Campaign Group

[maikl]

oh eah my friend... ivconic was under NATO bombs and began learnt the dowsing rods because got the lesson... poor boy... then we have to change a name of love ivconic's forum? in name of the best sceptic overworld? eah?

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kt315. Thee is much pleased to have bombed innocent people for one's wrong policies. Neither is a good laugh at another's misfortune. Sometimes it was a delight to Adolf Hitler, but ...

[kt315]

This is a thread designed to inform you all of the latest developments, and maybe get some support for the campaign.


hi,

your Campaign is on right way, but where you was earlier? why I am alone did try to stop the massive aggressive group of frauds with their money twined the nest on the forum all time? I am simple man, my country is very tiny, BTW, in scale of their huge activity worldwide.
their money are millions dollars! they can buy this forum without problems, if only will want.
I am ready hear your new arguments feeling I am not alone now in this world of capitalistic lier.

k!ck in ***** them all and do what you can do. good luck my friend.

yours.

[Diohuni]

Whatever the problems we are winning so no need to worry!! Watch out for some big news very soon!!

[maikl]

Whatever the problems we are winning so no need to worry!! Watch out for some big news very soon!!

Diohuni do not be angry but you are far from victory. Because it will always be "sheep for a haircut". But this is no reason to be more angry than if you are not deceived by the seller?

[DavidB]

There is a sucker born every day, so they say. Never more true than these days. Look who ended up cheif in command of the most powerfull country on earth. A good con artist can sell just about anything.

[singulair]

It's amazing what these guys claim on the ADE 651 (http://www.ade651.co.uk/ade-651-technical.html) website: "Substance Detection: High Explosives or Detonable Explosives, Trinitrotoluene (TNT), DNT, Ecstasy, Ivory, Human recognition etc." LOL "human recognition"! Does it do "voice recognition" too???
I have tried to download the ADE651 FAQ book from the ATSC LTD (http://www.atscltd.com) official website, with little success though. Have any of you had any luck on getting those "documents"?
How do I join the Fake Explosives Detector Campaign Group?

[Diohuni]

Just received this:

Dear Sir,

I received your email, copied below, about H3Tec’s statements about receipt of a Utah Innovation Award. H3Tec has not been a winner of a Utah Innovation Award. I will contact the company shortly to ask that they correct the references on their website.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Best regards,
Loren

Loren R. Hulse | Partner
STOEL RIVES LLP | 201 S. Main St., Suite 1100 | Salt Lake City, UT 84111-4904
Direct: (801) 578-6978 | Fax: (801) 578-6999


need anyone who has bought an H3Tec to get in touch urgently please!!

[Diohuni]

It's amazing what these guys claim on the ADE 651 (http://www.ade651.co.uk/ade-651-technical.html) website: "Substance Detection: High Explosives or Detonable Explosives, Trinitrotoluene (TNT), DNT, Ecstasy, Ivory, Human recognition etc." LOL "human recognition"! Does it do "voice recognition" too???
I have tried to download the ADE651 FAQ book from the ATSC LTD (http://www.atscltd.com) official website, with little success though. Have any of you had any luck on getting those "documents"?
How do I join the Fake Explosives Detector Campaign Group?

To join PM me your email and I'll send you an invite. If you have any friends who want to join up that would be great!!

We are making good progress on Chuck and his H3Tec garbage!!

[Diohuni]

Please sign the petition here: THANKS!

http://www.change.org/petitions/demand-action-and-justice-in-fake-explosive-detectors-scandal

If interested in more of the history of this fraud please see here:

http://www.scribd.com/full/51676711?access_key=key-11r7th4aq0zgvhd6q2b4

HISTORY

http://www.scribd.com/full/51703923?access_key=key-231darif3gwjtk07acrp

FED ACCOUNTING

http://www.scribd.com/full/51676708?access_key=key-119dzmlzr6r8yaww7fid

PICTURE GALLERY

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51719307

ROGUES GALLERY

[montepollock]

This device seems similiar ti ones being sold By (*ellyco) for the last 20 years

[Diohuni]

Seems we have forced to make H3tec change their website. Almost all references to military applications have been removed, althought they can't resist mentioning Government and Defence applications briefly.

The bad news is that they are still trying to sell their useless equipment to treaure hunters and the oil/gas industries. Hopefully more and more people are becoming aware of this scam, and will continue to spread the word that the only proof would be indpenedently run double blind testing, which of they can never achieve because it is just a fancy dowsing rod, and anyone with half a brain knows dowsing is useless.

So, a small victory but we still need to shut them down. They continue to make completely unsubstantiated claims for the H3tec. We will not stop until they do!

[ernst.filibert]

I have found over the internet the ATSC LTD (http://www.atscltd.com) website. Which is an explosives detector.
What do you think about that?

[Thomas]

At first I thought it was a case of "A fool and his money are soon parted" but now I think it is just greed and corruption, when a government department buys into a fraud, you know a government official is making big retirement investments.