H3Tec discussion

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI J-Player : You posted -->Did a lower mammal or reptile ever offer you any discussion to specify the nature or boundaries of space?

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Nope, just you. but since you are my friend --.

As for space, I am of a strong tendency to favor the Holistic Universe theory in which it bends back upon itself, among other interesting things..

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

HI J-Player : You posted -->Did a lower mammal or reptile ever offer you any discussion to specify the nature or boundaries of space?

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Nope, just you. but since you are my friend --.

As for space, I am of a strong tendency to favor the Holistic Universe theory in which it bends back upon itself, among other interesting things..

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".Hmmm...
Does this mean a 1 micro volt signal might be sentenced to traveling in a circle of sorts, kind of like a current flowing through a circular path in a supercooled conductor? :shocked:
Or is there still a possibility that this signal may become too weak for your best method to detect at some distance?

But wait... what if your bending theory is wrong, and the theory that space does not exist... that it is simply a part of an imaginary idea that people thought up when they began to inhabit the earth is the correct fact?
Would this mean that the 1 micro volt signal cannot travel in space?
Would it mean the 1 micro volt signal does not exist either?

Also, you forgot to specify the properties of "normal" atmospheric conditions.
I checked the weather channel... it seems "normal" changes every day, even every hour. :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI: you posted--> Or is there still a possibility that this signal may become too weak for your best method to detect at some distance?
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This is exactly what I have been taLking about. the ability to receive or detect an eXtremely weak sig. This is where our present level of abilities falls short.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

HI: you posted--> Or is there still a possibility that this signal may become too weak for your best method to detect at some distance?
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This is exactly what I have been taLking about. the ability to receive or detect an eXtremely weak sig. This is where our present level of abilities falls short.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".But wait...
In order to detect an extremely weak signal, this signal must first exist *(see above for possibility that the signal does not exist).

Now, if you are detecting an extremely weak signal that does not exist, then where did this signal come from?
Could it be your detecting apparatus is faulty?
Could it be that ideamotor response is detecting non-existent signals?
Could it be that the person making the detection decided to tell a lie to prove his point?

Who knows?
I suppose you can look at what kind of talk you receive from the person measuring, then decide on why he is detecting a signal that does not exist.

On the other hand, maybe the signal does exist.

The question then becomes:
Can you show me how you detect this signal when I cause the signal to happen in the location I choose without your knowledge?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Art3811]

On the other hand, maybe the signal does exist.
Post #172

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Afternon J-Play : you posted --> In order to detect an extremely weak signal, this signal must first exist
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Obvious? Every activity of your brain produces a transmitable wave, we need look no further for our example. So, does telepathy exist?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Afternon J-Play : you posted --> In order to detect an extremely weak signal, this signal must first exist
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Obvious? Every activity of your brain produces a transmitable wave, we need look no further for our example. So, does telepathy exist?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".Interesting question.
If telepathy exists, then it could be theoretically be used to detect an impossibly weak signal from a distant location that already completed several revolutions of a universe which bends on itself.
On the other hand, telepathy could theoretically also detect a signal that did not exist, or that fizzled out and stopped after travelling some finite distance.

So does telepathy exist?
According to many proofs seen on the internet, it definitely exsists.
But then, according to many other proofs seen on the internet, it definitely does not exsist.

This raises the question: What can we believe?
Are we stuck in the perpetual condition of eternal torment "catch-22" style?
I suppose the question of the existence of the universe is more basic than the question of the existence of telepathy.
So I would say we must first determine if the universe actually exists before we can make presumptions about the existence of telepathy or proofs thereof.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

On the other hand, maybe the signal does exist. Post #172Ummmm, art....
You forgot something. ...Like the following lines that shows the actual context of my post:
On the other hand, maybe the signal does exist.

The question then becomes:
Can you show me how you detect this signal when I cause the signal to happen in the location I choose without your knowledge?
So can you?

Best wishes,
J_P


P.S. Hint: Forum-101, (the course)

[Art3811]

The question then becomes:
Can you show me how you detect this signal when I cause the signal to happen in the location I choose without your knowledge?

A simple experiment created by Dr. Paul Doppler in 1939 proves that objects produce a signal that can be measured. This experiment can be done by anyone who wants to know the truth. You can duck and dodge and try to change the subject but alas…the proof is still there. Post #172 will clearly prove to you that these signals are produced but first you have enough balls to do the experiment…Art

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI J_player be bk shortly, guests.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist":.

[J_Player]

A simple experiment created by Dr. Paul Doppler in 1939 proves that objects produce a signal that can be measured. This experiment can be done by anyone who wants to know the truth. You can duck and dodge and try to change the subject but alas…the proof is still there. Post #172 will clearly prove to you that these signals are produced but first you have enough balls to do the experiment…ArtHi Art,
That is an interesting story about the history of Doppler, and your claims of duck and dodge seem misplaced.
But nothing in your post answers my question whether you can detect the signal when I cause the signal to happen in the location I choose without your knowledge.

The question was: "So can you?"
Hint: The answer is Yes or No.

Best wishes,
J_P

P.S. Hint #2: Forum-101, (the course)

[Art3811]

To prove that objects emit energy or a signal is simple. Use a quart jar. Take some liquid rubber and dab it onto the center of the lid. Pull it away from the lid to create a thin string that looks like the strand of a spider web. This is the hardest part of the test. Attach a 1/2 inch Alum foil disk to the rubber strand. Screw the lid on the jar.

Place a protractor on the table with the 90 degree mark pointing to north. Set the jar on the protractor and alien the disk in a north south direction. Place a gold nugget beside the jar on the 0 degree mark of the protractor and wait for the disk to turn. Now try placing other objects by the jar one at a time. I found that a slice of onion gave off the strongest signal of anything that I tried.

What turned the disk? I can only conclude that objects emit energy.....

[Rudy]

Rudy, Ladies and Gentlemen: Just how far can a 1 micro volt signal travel?

Don Jose de La Mancha

A micro volt doesn't travel. A Volt is a derived unit for electromotive force. You can think of it as a potential difference.

You may be thinking of an electromagnetic field?

[J_Player]

To prove that objects emit energy or a signal is simple. Use a quart jar. Take some liquid rubber and dab it onto the center of the lid. Pull it away from the lid to create a thin string that looks like the strand of a spider web. This is the hardest part of the test. Attach a 1/2 inch Alum foil disk to the rubber strand. Screw the lid on the jar.

Place a protractor on the table with the 90 degree mark pointing to north. Set the jar on the protractor and alien the disk in a north south direction. Place a gold nugget beside the jar on the 0 degree mark of the protractor and wait for the disk to turn. Now try placing other objects by the jar one at a time. I found that a slice of onion gave off the strongest signal of anything that I tried.

What turned the disk? I can only conclude that objects emit energy.....Hi Art,
That is another interesting story about how you claim you can detect a signal of an onion slice placed next to a quart jar.

But nothing in your post answers the question from my post that you quoted, where I asked whether you can detect the signal when I cause the signal to happen in the location I choose without your knowledge.

My question was: "So can you?"
Hint: The answer is Yes or No.


Best wishes,
J_P

P.S. Hint #3: Forum-101, (the course)

[Art3811]

The answer is Yes...But..I chose who I preform for...Art

[J_Player]

The answer is Yes...But..I chose who I preform for...ArtThanks for the answer Art. I don't believe you can. But you are correct that you not required to accept any challenge that proves you can do what you say you can.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Art3811]

Thank you J Player…Carl offered me $25,000 if my rods would cross when I stepped on a coin. I made a movie of the rods closing when I stepped on a coin…Still waiting on my money
http://www.youtube.com/user/aarthrj3811...100 (http://www.youtube.com/user/aarthrj3811...100) 0163.mov

[J_Player]

Thank you J Player…Carl offered me $25,000 if my rods would cross when I stepped on a coin. I made a movie of the rods closing when I stepped on a coin…Still waiting on my money
http://www.youtube.com/user/aarthrj3811...100 (http://www.youtube.com/user/aarthrj3811...100) 0163.movExcellent movie, Art,
But have you considered you again took Carl's offer out of context and omitted the conditions he specified under which he would pay you prize money?
In fact, you are misrepresenting what Carl offered. It is the same as telling a lie in the Geotech forum.
Carl never said he would pay you any money at all if you produced a film showing your rods cross when you step on a coin.
He offered to pay the prize money if you could pass his test as follows:

"Take 10 small pieces of plywood, say 4"x4", numbered 1-10. Carl-NC will attach a silver dollar under one of them, chosen randomly. You step on each piece of plywood and determine which one has the silver dollar. Repeat several times. Carl-NC will pay you $25,000 if you are successful".
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=119425#post119425

What you posted was a lie.
You have no reason to wait for prize money because you never took Carl's test.
You never found coins that Carl hid under pieces of plywood, so you have no prize money coming.
Based on reports of your previous photo editing shenanigans, I would not expect Carl or anyone else to believe your video wasn't a fake, or to believe that you could successfully locate which piece of plywood Carl hides a coin under several times.

Of course, you could end all the debates by simply taking Carl's test and proving him wrong, and also proving wrong the millions of readers who think you are an idiot who is all fake talk, fake photos and fake videos, but no action. :nono:
But we see you have historically never done this. You have carefully avoided any possibility of double blind testing, and substituted photos and videos that you make.
Ummm... can we see the out-takes from your video that you left on the cutting room floor? :rolleyes:

As Carl-NC said:
"I expect a complete rejection, along with alibis, because you cain't do it. And I'm sure Hung will say this is an impossible test".
And we see you did not take his test, but submitted a video in lieu of taking an actual test for which you expect him to pay you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you really think any engineer at Geotech is as stupid as you are?
Would you pay $25,000 for a video of an amazing performance?
Isn't this kind of like paying $25,000 for a video of a dream vacation instead of paying the $25,000 for an actual dream vacation?

Just as an idea, why not go back to Tnet, and stop posting your lies in Geotech.
The people at Tnet are much more tolerant of liars than us folks.

Best wishes,
J_P

P.S. New hint:
Get therapy to learn to stop taking things out of context. Learn to tell the truth.
Learn to see things for what they are, not what you wish to craft them into.
There are therapists who can do wonders. You could become a better person.

[Dave J.]

It goes beyond "more tolerant", J_Player. On Tnet I often encourage them to lie so everyone can see what liars they are. That way, people who are trying to figure out what they want have a clearer choice between the truth and the lie, and those who prefer the lie know right where to go.

And since liars hang out with liars (some of y'all may remember the L-club on the old Tnet LRL forum?) they all have a good time getting what they want. Since they are actually getting what they want out of the deal, proving they're liars changes nothing, they already knew that and were happy with it.

That's human nature.

You've probably noticed a difference between dowsers and LRL'ers. There's a reason for that.

You don't have to be a liar to be a dowser (although of course some are liars and many are just confused). A lot of dowsers are folk who would not cheat you out of a dime.

LRL's are a different ballgame. LRL'ing begins with the proposition that you have to lie about dowsing. And then you have to maintain that pseudoscience fairy tales are just as true as anything that reason has produced-- even truer! Well, how can you argue with something as stupid as that? Reason won't help, reason has already been rejected as a matter of basic principle. It's rare to find an LRL proponent who is just honestly confused. The mental process that led them to LRL'ing required first lying to oneself and then lying to everyone else.

And that's how you can get to a fellow claiming on a publicly visible forum that Carl owes him $25K because his rods crossed when he stepped on a coin. Heck, I can cross my fingers when I step on a coin, I don't even need coathangers. I can cross my eyes when I step on a coin. Nobody's impressed! Carl doesn't even owe me a dime!

I guess the next step is for Artie to demand Randi's $1 million for a movie showing he can touch his nose when he's drunk. Blindfolded!

--Dave J.

[J_Player]

It goes beyond "more tolerant", J_Player. On Tnet I often encourage them to lie so everyone can see what liars they are. That way, people who are trying to figure out what they want have a clearer choice between the truth and the lie, and those who prefer the lie know right where to go.

And since liars hang out with liars (some of y'all may remember the L-club on the old Tnet LRL forum?) they all have a good time getting what they want. Since they are actually getting what they want out of the deal, proving they're liars changes nothing, they already knew that and were happy with it.

That's human nature.

You've probably noticed a difference between dowsers and LRL'ers. There's a reason for that.

You don't have to be a liar to be a dowser (although of course some are liars and many are just confused). A lot of dowsers are folk who would not cheat you out of a dime.

LRL's are a different ballgame. LRL'ing begins with the proposition that you have to lie about dowsing. And then you have to maintain that pseudoscience fairy tales are just as true as anything that reason has produced-- even truer! Well, how can you argue with something as stupid as that? Reason won't help, reason has already been rejected as a matter of basic principle. It's rare to find an LRL proponent who is just honestly confused. The mental process that led them to LRL'ing required first lying to oneself and then lying to everyone else.

And that's how you can get to a fellow claiming on a publicly visible forum that Carl owes him $25K because his rods crossed when he stepped on a coin. Heck, I can cross my fingers when I step on a coin, I don't even need coathangers. I can cross my eyes when I step on a coin. Nobody's impressed! Carl doesn't even owe me a dime!

I guess the next step is for Artie to demand Randi's $1 million for a movie showing he can touch his nose when he's drunk. Blindfolded!

--Dave J.I see,
Maybe this is why I don't bother to read the TNet LRL forum.
It is full of lies and whining about who's lying and who's not, but little or no real information worth reading.
It is kind of like reading pages full of a bunch of nothing.
I think Carl said it best: "I dearly wish you would waste your time on TNet rather than here. Unlike some of the other LRL advocates, you bring absolutely nothing to the party".

I suppose if a person loves lies, the TNet LRL forum could be fascinating reading with stars such as Art.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Tim Williams]

J-player What do you think of gravity communications?

http://gravity-control.blogspot.com/2006/04/electrogravitic-communications-means.html

Just a thought

[J_Player]

J-player What do you think of gravity communications?

http://gravity-control.blogspot.com/2006/04/electrogravitic-communications-means.html

Just a thoughtI think gravity communications is another excellent topic to bring to the irrelevant H3Tec discussions alongside the question of the existence and dimensions of the universe, how far a 1 micro volt signal can travel, silver dollars and plywood, liars on TNet, weather, and the location of a missing thread. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

J-player What do you think of gravity communications?

http://gravity-control.blogspot.com/2006/04/electrogravitic-communications-means.html

Just a thought

Hello Tim,

Your answer lies here, in Dr. Berman's post:

WELL, YOU ARE FINALLY WAKING-UP ( YOUR HUNDRED YEARS SLEEP..TESLA ), GATES' AND ALLEN OF MICROSCOFT OWN SETI ( SETI@HOME, THE PHENIOX PROJECT...AND HAS FILED FOR PATENT BASED ON RT COMMUNICATION, BASED OWN OUR RESEARCH AND DR. GREG HODOWANEC ( A FRIEND AND COLLEGUE FOR 10 YEARS ) WHO IS THE FATHER OF MODERN RHYSMONIC COSMOLOGY, THE ONLY MAJOR EXPERT IN TESLAN REAL-TIME ( PHASE CONJUGATE ) COMMUNICATION BASED ON TESLA ANALOG LONGITUNIAL BI-WAVE THEORY....

...and here, answering this question by Joey:

If gravity travels at the speed of light, how do black holes have gravity, since their escape velocities are faster than the speed of light?

If you know what gravity really is, you will answer the above easily.

However this does not seem to be your forum pal's case tough.
If he does not know to date how a LRL works, he will do much, much less about gravity itself.

Best regards and success for the Arc Geo Logger.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Morming J-Player mi buddy: Bk. You posted my question -->how far a 1 micro volt signal can travel,
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Now 'that' is a very important question, especially if we are discusing theory of LrL's possibly working. It would be possibly the key to LrL recepton, since today we are extremely limited on reception, on both distance and sensitiveness through the conventional cummunication spectrum and reproductive devices.

The trained human mind is potentially one of the most sensitive receivers in the universe in certain phases. However we are now starting to investigate other biological forms as receptors.

Sinple sprouting beans will indicate local harmful, and accumulated radiation, far more accurately than any mechanical or chemical indicators so far. Especially when it is conidered what a broad range that radiation covers.

It is extremely important to remember, or to visualize, the infitesimally minute energies that we are discusing, which may be useful for successful LrL opertion.

Don Jose de La Mancha



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[WM6]

Morming J-Player mi buddy: Bk. You posted my question -->how far a 1 micro volt signal can travel,
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The trained human mind is potentially one of the most sensitive receivers in the universe in certain phases. However we are now starting to investigate other biological forms as receptors.



This most sensitive receiver even do not can be trained to receive dangerous and strong earthquake warning signals, let alone to detect gold pieces in soil.

Or you mean that receiver was during evolution someway tunned to gold signals?

Why do evolution need for human to be skilled such way?

[Art3811]

~JP~
I see,
Maybe this is why I don't bother to read the TNet LRL forum.
It is full of lies and whining about who's lying and who's not, but little or no real information worth reading.
It is kind of like reading pages full of a bunch of nothing.
I think Carl said it best: "I dearly wish you would waste your time on TNet rather than here. Unlike some of the other LRL advocates, you bring absolutely nothing to the party".

I suppose if a person loves lies, the TNet LRL forum could be fascinating reading with stars such as Art.
Read and weep…The brass ring made it easy to lead him into making a $25,000 mistake..Art
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.msg2376634.html#msg2376634

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

good morning WM-6: you stated --> This most sensitive receiver even do not can be trained to receive dangerous and strong earthquake warning signals
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First, regarding earthquake Frequencies etc., who says that they cannot?? Many, if not all, of the other mobile forms of life do react to them, as well as to others that the human is not notmally receptive to.

What hunan can detect aother of the opposite sex from miles away?? Many insects and animals can. The.lowly moth is one example.
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You also posted -->Or you mean that receiver was during evolution someway tunned to gold signals?
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Obvously no, but then where do the Au frequencies lie? as far as I know within the trainable range of the brain. Ultra low. After all, we are quite capable of descriminating between individual specimans of gold.

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You also posted --> Why do evolution need for human to be skilled such way? ************

None especially for a certain mineral or metal, that I know of, but since it probably lies within the receptible range, why not utilize it?

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exsit".

[Qiaozhi]

Read and weep…The brass ring made it easy to lead him into making a $25,000 mistake..Art
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.msg2376634.html#msg2376634


This is the very test I would like to see you do, but under randomized blind conditions.
Perhaps it was the part in Carl's post that was marked in bold and underlined that you managed to miss with your highly tuned psychic senses. :lol:

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Hi, one of my usual boo booos. The 'ultra low' in the last post was in reference to earthquakes, not Au. apol.

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exsist".

[Rudy]

If gravity travels at the speed of light, how do black holes have gravity, since their escape velocities are faster than the speed of light?


Surely Hung, a man of your intellect must know the answer to this apparent conumdrum.

The General Theory of Relativity allows for the gravity of a black hole to be felt outside of it.

The gravity doesn't have to get out of the black hole. General relativity is a local theory, which means that the field at a certain point in spacetime is determined entirely by things going on at places that can communicate with it at speeds less than or equal to c. If a star collapses into a black hole, the gravitational field outside the black hole may be calculated entirely from the properties of the star and its external gravitational field before it becomes a black hole. In this sense the black hole is a kind of "frozen star": the gravitational field is a fossil field. The same is true of the electromagnetic field that a black hole may possess.

Often your question is phrased in terms of gravitons, the hypothetical quanta of spacetime distortion. If things like gravity correspond to the exchange of "particles" like gravitons, how can they get out of the event horizon to do their job?

Gravitons don't exist in general relativity, because GR is not a quantum theory. Gravitons might be part of a theory of quantum gravity when it is completely developed, but even then it might not be best to describe gravitational attraction as produced by virtual gravitons.

Nevertheless, the question in this form is still worth asking, because black holes can have static electric fields, and we know that these may be described in terms of virtual photons. So how do the virtual photons get out of the event horizon? Well, for one thing, they can come from the charged matter prior to collapse, just like classical effects. In addition, virtual particles can go faster than light! Consequently the event horizon, which is really just a surface that moves at the speed of light, presents no barrier to virtual particles.

[Aziz]

Well,

I have a bloody good competitive DIY el-ar-el device for you:
It's outperforming the H3Tech in these cold days however.

You need:
- thermometer
- L shaped wire
- fresh and warm horse sh1t

Take the fresh horse sh1t in your hands. Stick the L rod into the horse sh1t. Stick the thermometer into the horse sh1t as well. Keep attention to the temperature. If the temperature is exactly reading 36.4 °C, then the el-ar-el device is engaged and ready for operation (detection distance at least 100 km). If the temperature is above 36.4 degree C, wait until it is exactly 36.4 degree C (otherwise it will overdrive the el-ar-el device). Below 35.1 degree C, the detection distance suffers a bit (reduced to 10 km). Below 31.1 degree C, you need fresh horse sh1t again.

Some scientists claim, that it will very likely operate with bull sh1t as well. But this claim isn't proofed yet.
:shocked:

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

HI, will fresh burro or a lovely. sexy mule's feces work also?

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[Saturna]

HI, will fresh burro or a lovely. sexy mule's feces work also?

Don Jose de La Mancha




Why not ? Seems to dovetail quite nicely with the other ideas you propose. :lol:

[hung]

Gravity does not exist as it's sensed.
It's a group of phenomena and not only an individualized force.
It's better explained by the difference in density of bodies. If a body is less dense, there is no gravity that stops it from going up. And the Earth's ethereal layer determines this effect. Also, it's the vertical compoment of magnetism that influences 'gravity'. The atraction it exerts over a body is about the same it does over any other body, thus allowing observation of the same falling speed in vacuum. Only this atraction is not caused by its mass. It's caused by the magnetism every single body pocess.

Remember, light repels matter. One similar occurence of what happens to it in black holes is what was observed by Eddington in 1919 during the Solar eclipse and was comented by Einstein.
But trully, light curved not due to the solar mass, but due to the magnetic field which is zero close to the Sun.
General Relativity is full of holes to effectivelly explain what is going on with black holes. One example. It postulates that if two radii happen to move in a same direction, similar speeds, speed will be zero among them. But if they move in opposite directions, the relative speed will be v+v or 2v.
Einstein stated that if any of the radii move in any direction, their correspondent speeds will be v.
This is false since he atributed a particular, 'proprietary' space and time for each other. He tried to impose limitations for the universe which is infinitum. Space that is not transformed is shapeless and is not relative to anything.
Standard model nonsense... If space is a constant, how can be there any space time continuum and worse, to consider this to be a dimension...

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

allo sat, in the corner: You posted --> Why not ? Seems to dovetail quite nicely with the other ideas you propose. :lol:
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I must admit to staying on subject, and in line with the popular exchange in here, however -----.:razz:

Speaking of the subject on hand, I notice that you haven't been posting your usual remarks. why not???

Incidentally, haven't you ever used that materiel fresh from the source to thaw out your hands enough to light a fire? Brrrrrr

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Read and weep…The brass ring made it easy to lead him into making a $25,000 mistake..Art
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.0.html)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,327684.msg2376634.html#msg2376634
Hmmm...
Hi Art,
I guess you still haven't learned. Your lies won't work in Geotech.
The links you posted are also lies.
Let's take a look at what you are calling a $25,000 mistake. Let's see what Carl actually said in the TNet forum about his prize:
1. CARL: "Art, why would you call your test a fake? You claim that when you step on a silver coin, your rods will cross every time. This is the very test I would like to see you do, but under randomized blind conditions. $25,000 for doing what you say you can do".
2. ART: "Yes I have said that I can do it every time. So can millions of Dowsers. So tell the membership why anyone should show you anything...."
3. CARL: "I don't think you can.
$25,000."
4. ART: "Darn Carl…I made a movie that showed me following the signals to a target. I showed myself marking the target. It showed me digging the target…Wow a new shiny silver dollar…You just saw it happen for free…I know you are not going to get many takers for a mere 2 ½ oz of gold.."
3. CARL: "You also posted a doctored picture of a gold pan, so I can't trust that you're videos aren't faked as well.
Show me in person. Do what you say you can do. No alibis.
$25,000".That includes all the posts Carl made about his $25,000 prize in the link you showed.
So where is his mistake?

Are you telling another lie in Geotech?
It won't work!

We are not as stupid as you are, and we do not have any need to take anything Carl said out of context, or omit how he said he wanted to see your rods cross every time when you step on the silver dollar, in person, under randomized blind conditions.

Think about it.
I have never seen that thread before ever.
Yet I see Carl has posted exactly what I told you in my post above where I exposed you as a liar who makes fake talk and fake images to post in forums.

In the link you show, Carl never said he would pay you any money if you produced a film showing your rods cross when you step on a coin.
Carl posted: "You also posted a doctored picture of a gold pan, so I can't trust that you're videos aren't faked as well.

Show me in person. Do what you say you can do. No alibis.

$25,000"."
Again, exactly as I told you... You have no reason to wait for prize money because you never took Carl's test.
You never found coins that Carl hid, so you have no prize money coming.
You made a video instead of actually taking a randomized blind test, and now you are whining and telling lies about what Carl offered.

If you include all of Carl's words instead of only the words you want others to hear, you will see it is no longer possible to post a lie.
Scroll up and read how Carl said "You claim that when you step on a silver coin, your rods will cross every time. This is the very test I would like to see you do, but under randomized blind conditions. $25,000 for doing what you say you can do". That is the truth of what Carl actually posted. He did not post the lie you are accusing him of.

Do you still think a Geotech engineer is as stupid as you are?
Do you really think we don't know you have a chronic problem that causes you to "doctor" the things you see other people write, and images you post in forums?
Do you really believe a Geotech engineer won't check to see if you are serving us up more lies and BS?

Why not take your crap back to TNet where people don't expect you to be prepared to get challenged when you make extraordinary claims that turn out to be lies you crafted from out of context segments of sentences other people wrote? It appears there are people who actually like to read the stuff you write at TNet.

Best wishes,
J_P

P.S. Same new hint:
Get therapy to learn to stop taking things out of context. Learn to tell the truth.
Learn to see things for what they are, not what you wish to craft them into.
There are therapists who can do wonders. You could become a better person.

[WM6]

Well,

I have a bloody good competitive DIY el-ar-el device for you:
It's outperforming the H3Tech in these cold days however.

You need:
- thermometer
- L shaped wire
- fresh and warm horse sh1t

Take the fresh horse sh1t in your hands. Stick the L rod into the horse sh1t. Stick the thermometer into the horse sh1t as well. Keep attention to the temperature. If the temperature is exactly reading 36.4 °C, then the el-ar-el device is engaged and ready for operation (detection distance at least 100 km). If the temperature is above 36.4 degree C, wait until it is exactly 36.4 degree C (otherwise it will overdrive the el-ar-el device). Below 35.1 degree C, the detection distance suffers a bit (reduced to 10 km). Below 31.1 degree C, you need fresh horse sh1t again.

Some scientists claim, that it will very likely operate with bull sh1t as well. But this claim isn't proofed yet.
:shocked:

Hi Aziz,

can you guarantee that your LRL innovation work on all continnets?

[Rudy]

Gravity does not exist as it's sensed.
It's a group of phenomena and not only an individualized force.
It's better explained by the difference in density of bodies. If a body is less dense, there is no gravity that stops it from going up. And the Earth's ethereal layer determines this effect. Also, it's the vertical compoment of magnetism that influences 'gravity'. The atraction it exerts over a body is about the same it does over any other body, thus allowing observation of the same falling speed in vacuum. Only this atraction is not caused by its mass. It's caused by the magnetism every single body pocess.

Did you think of the [logical] possibility that the denser bodies displace the less dense ones and thus lower their potential energy? A helium filled balloon rises in the atmosphere because the denser atoms displace it. This upward drift continues until: A- the balloon explodes. B- Density of the balloon is in equilibrium with its surroundings.


Remember, light repels matter. One similar occurence of what happens to it in black holes is what was observed by Eddington in 1919 during the Solar eclipse and was comented by Einstein.

There is no known physics that describes what happens inside a black hole.

"Light repels matter" You mean radiation pressure? Yes, but it is not a repulsion like two like magnetic poles or charges repelling each other. What is happening with light is that momentum is transferred between the photons and the matter they impact.


But trully, light curved not due to the solar mass, but due to the magnetic field which is zero close to the Sun.

Says who?


General Relativity is full of holes to effectivelly explain what is going on with black holes. ...

GR may have holes, but the holes are not as big as the holes in your theories. :nono:

No physics is capable of describing what goes on inside a black hole.

[Qiaozhi]

No physics is capable of describing what goes on inside a black hole.
Except Hung Physics. :lol:

[Aziz]

Hi Aziz,

can you guarantee that your LRL innovation work on all continnets?

Well,

I can guarantee you, that it will work as well as all other el-ar-el devices. But my innovation has one knock-out feature: it keeps your hands warm while detecting.

Second knock-out feature: you don't have to pay $$$$$$$

Third knock-out feature: it's made of sh1t like other el-ar-ed devices. My innovation makes it only obvious visible.

Like all el-ar-el devices, they are based on horse/bull-sh1t. It taste's and smells like horse/bull-sh1t.

[J_Player]

Well,

I can guarantee you, that it will work as well as all other el-ar-el devices. But my innovation has one knock-out feature: it keeps your hands warm while detecting.

Second knock-out feature: you don't have to pay $$$$$$$

Third knock-out feature: it's made of sh1t like other el-ar-ed devices. My innovation makes it only obvious visible.

Like all el-ar-el devices, they are based on horse/bull-sh1t. It taste's and smells like horse/bull-sh1t.Hi Aziz,

Your experimental el-ar-el seems to have advantages that others don't have:
It has the hand-warming effect, and it seems to be exactly what it looks like, smells like, and tastes like. (Not sure about the taste like part, cause I never conducted a taste test).
I also see you don't have to pay $$$, and you have a guarantee.

I have discovered another LRL you can buy for under $100 which does not have the advantage of hand-warming, but it also seems to be exactly what it looks like it is.
In fact it is called exactly what it is.
But the best part is it has a guarantee that your el-ar-el does not have.... it is the only LRL I have ever found that is guaranteed to pass a double blind test or money back.
The question is: would you pay under $100 for this LRL, or would you prefer to use the horse sh1t method?

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13851&stc=1&d=1291269109



It seems tempting, doesn't it?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Hi J_P


it is time to do some improvement to The Amazing Mr. Stick.

What do you think to upgrade it by graphic calculator?

Look a little, how they do competitors.

[J_Player]

Hi J_P


it is time to do some improvement to The Amazing Mr. Stick.

What do you think to upgrade it by graphic calculator?

Look a little, how they do competitors.I have talked to the producers of the amazing Mr. Stick. They tell me there is no calculator upgrade coming.
But they say a new model will be released that allows a swiveling action, called the Mr. Roller.
They say the new, improved Mr. Roller will also be guaranteed to pass a double blind comparison test the same as the Mr. Stick.
I was able to ascertain that the new, improved Mr. Roller will utilize some article of painting equipment.

See prototype at the test facility below:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11602&stc=1&d=1268610423

I can't wait until it comes out.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Did you think of the [logical] possibility that the denser bodies displace the less dense ones and thus lower their potential energy? A helium filled balloon rises in the atmosphere because the denser atoms displace it. This upward drift continues until: A- the balloon explodes. B- Density of the balloon is in equilibrium with its surroundings.



There is no known physics that describes what happens inside a black hole.

"Light repels matter" You mean radiation pressure? Yes, but it is not a repulsion like two like magnetic poles or charges repelling each other. What is happening with light is that momentum is transferred between the photons and the matter they impact.

Says who?

GR may have holes, but the holes are not as big as the holes in your theories. :nono:

No physics is capable of describing what goes on inside a black hole.
Except Hung Physics. :lol:What..!!!!?
Dr. hung is teaching physics now in the HungScience university?
Are you sure he isn't vomiting out this diatribe from a secret bunker hidden somewhere in his back yard?
Or maybe he copied it from Myron Evans website, or Tom Bearden's?

I wonder why Dr. Hung would claim other people don't know what gravity is?
It seems to me that even a person who never goes to school can easily detect the direction of gravity with good precision when using a dowsing rod.
And no.... the direction we find the force of gravity is not where a hidden treasure is, the direction is down, toward the center of the earth. :rolleyes:

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

See prototype at the test facility below:

I can't wait until it comes out.



Great, incorporation a swiveling function in Mr. Stick would be an histerical achievement in field of LRL.

As I can see on picture new Mr. Stick can very easy compensate hard rock too.

Hope that this big improvement will not take bad infuelence in price policy?

And I hope that production will meet all market demand?

[Aziz]

Well,

I have a new invention. It should outperform all the existing el-ar-el devices. It is based on a revolutionary new laptop technology. No more rods, sticks, and so on. Simple to use. This is the prototype (see below). I'm working on the gravity anomaly feature now. So any black holes in our galaxy will extend it's detection distance to some revolutionary range: lightyear distances.
Watch out! I have found that it could probably detect dark matter too. Maybe the next revision could support DMNMR mode (dark matter nano magnetic resonance).
:lol::lol::lol:

[WM6]

Well,

I have a new invention.

Watch out! I have found that it could probably detect dark matter too. Maybe the next revision could support DMNMR mode (dark matter nano magnetic resonance).
:lol::lol::lol:

Fantastic, but "Disturb other El-Ar-El devices" function seems not working?

Can this function be upgraded to "Destroy other El-Ar-El devices"?

[Aziz]

Fantastic, but "Disturb other El-Ar-El devices" function seems not working?

Can this function be upgraded to "Destroy other El-Ar-El devices"?

Well, this feature is working so well, that it has an impact to the detector itself. So don't use this feature until I have solved the problem.

The other feature won't be implemented. I haven't the licence to develop weapons yet. I suspect, I won't get a licence due to my name: it's reading like an arab terrorist.

[Rudy]

...
I wonder why Dr. Hung would claim other people don't know what gravity is?


This is a very grave situation indeed. :stars:

[hung]

You are a perfect example of the people who has some understanding of science but is unable to think beyond the books they learned at school, also accepting certain things as true without even questioning what it really means.
Did you think of the [logical] possibility that the denser bodies displace the less dense ones and thus lower their potential energy? A helium filled balloon rises in the atmosphere because the denser atoms displace it. This upward drift continues until: A- the balloon explodes. B- Density of the balloon is in equilibrium with its surroundings.
Being helium of less density, it rises and expands indefinetly only to be stoped by the atmospheric mass and pressure which surrounds our planet. There is also another factor which influences gravity besides the ones I have already pointed. It's the energy which exerts pressure in the universe and enters, penetrates the galaxies. This pressure is the result of the 'creator's vibration' over an infinite point within the universe and maintains the atmosphere of all planets. And this is very easy to understand.
If no constant pressure existed to maintain the 'gaseous cap' that surrounds every Planet, it would expand itself to the vacuum as again, gases pocess the tendency to expand indefinetely.
Remember Torricelli? He did not come up with the conclusion that atmospheric pressure over a given surface is 13.6g X 76cm of the mercury column for nothing. But this pressure is only perceived at sea level. For each 10 meters of elevation, the column drops 1 milimeter. So, theoretically, at 76KM high, there should be no pressure anymore! But aerial currents were observed in variable altitudes. If these currents did not existed you would be smashed by the huge atmospheric pressure.
There is no known physics that describes what happens inside a black hole.Known by you.
"Light repels matter" You mean radiation pressure? Yes, but it is not a repulsion like two like magnetic poles or charges repelling each other. What is happening with light is that momentum is transferred between the photons and the matter they impact. No.
It's a repulsion. If there were no repulsion between energy and magnetism, motors would not turn for instance. This same repulsion act in the nebulae. Light repels the magnetic fields, so the 'multitude' of stars from several galaxies provide a great repulsive force in the nebulae's matter making them 'escape' fom each other.
Think. It's known that light weights right? This weight is nothing more than pressure that it exerts over matter. If the Sun attracted, its light would have no weight, but an opposite agent.
If only an atraction force existed, but no repulsion at all, our little planet would come against its own atraction point.
And before you bark that centrifugal force is the cause for this repulsion, Earth would make a spiral smashing itself to the point of atraction.
No, it's not I who state this. It's our friend Math.
Says who?The universe.
GR may have holes, but the holes are not as big as the holes in your theories. :nono:
No physics is capable of describing what goes on inside a black hole.This is very interesting.
You and some others here, seem to comprehend electronics and physics to some extent. Actually there are no genius among us. We are just human beings who keep learning as we go along.
But there is a difference between you people and some of us. Note that I include others here.
You people think that the amount of physics you know accounts sufficiently to explain everything INCLUDING WHAT CANNOT BE.
This is stupid. This is idiotic. And this only accounts for the IGNORANCE that reigns here.It should exactly be the opposite. You and others here should be the first ones to state and admit honestly that you are not able to make afirmations about certain apparently unexplained phenomena because the physics you know cannot explain.
This would be the honest man position. But no. You try to deny the color TV simply because a B&W set is all you got.
Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
Poor fellas.

Evolution is happening right now for all quanta beings in this planet, whether you like it or not.
Evolving is an unstoppable process inherent to all beings in this planet.
And this also includes you pal.

[Dave J.]

This is a very grave situation indeed. :stars:
Quick, fetch the Thomas Gravitator from the medicine cabinet!

[Qiaozhi]

This pressure is the result of the 'creator's vibration' over an infinite point within the universe and maintains the atmosphere of all planets. And this is very easy to understand.
We can only conclude from your posts that you are either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or you use a lot of cutting and pasting ... or a combination of all three. This is clearly evident in your various posts - ranging from sheer rants to almost lucid.

However, your quote above is yet another demonstration that your ideas are nothing more than a confused and disjointed set of concepts, cobbled together from the ramblings of other pseudo-scientists and search engine results.

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe? What this even has to do with the title of this thread (H3Tec discussion) is anybody's guess. Please also define the meaning of "infinite point within the universe". This is just gobbledygook.

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder. :D

[WM6]

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe?



It is not about deity. Term originates from Pamela A. She named her vibro-thing "Creator". But Hung forgot that she never use it from remote, so it is not valid as Hungs LRL proof.

[hung]

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"?

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.

[J_Player]

...No, it's not I who state this. It's our friend Math.
The universe.
This is very interesting.
You and some others here, seem to comprehend electronics and physics to some extent. Actually there are no genius among us. We are just human beings who keep learning as we go along.
But there is a difference between you people and some of us. Note that I include others here.
You people think that the amount of physics you know accounts sufficiently to explain everything INCLUDING WHAT CANNOT BE.
This is stupid. This is idiotic. And this only accounts for the IGNORANCE that reigns here.It should exactly be the opposite. You and others here should be the first ones to state and admit honestly that you are not able to make afirmations about certain apparently unexplained phenomena because the physics you know cannot explain.
This would be the honest man position. But no. You try to deny the color TV simply because a B&W set is all you got.
Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
Poor fellas.

Evolution is happening right now for all quanta beings in this planet, whether you like it or not.
Evolving is an unstoppable process inherent to all beings in this planet.
And this also includes you pal.What?
Dr. hung is teaching more HungScinece? :shocked:

Ok... here we go again.... :barf:

"It's our friend, math"...
Math? As I recall, the hero who you plagiarized your scribblings from is a deposed physicist who was shown to be fraudulently trying to win a Nobel Prize for his ECE theory until it was discovered he does not even know basic math needed to solve matrix equations that a first year physics student knows. Is it any wonder that his theories about physics didn't work, and were ultimately discarded by real physicists some time before he lost his job teaching physics? Can you demonstrate any equipment at all to work in front of skeptical witnesses that uses his theories to accomplish something useful?

Dr. hung claims the theories of Myron Evans and his math are responsible for the underlying principles that prove dowsing and LRLs work. No need to prove it with demonstrations when we have the deposed Myron Evan's theory that is unquestionably correct. But Evans has never been able to demonstrate any useful working mechanism that utilizes his theories... No problem. Hung's research team proved it: I had a research team which was developing a project which completely have ‘blown’ some accepted standards of quantum mechanics. I will never tell this because besides the fact I’m not allowed to, it’s too much, incredibly dangerous. ...thank God all went fine and stoped in time. What purpose served this? To demonstrate EXACTLY what Evans states in his speech...
From: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=52033&postcount=32
Well, he almost proved it. It appears it was too dangerous to talk about the project or the results, but we all know we can trust Hung. What he says is really true. No need for publishing any results or demonstrations.

So we see how "math is our friend" even when the math used to prove the theory is full of mistakes. Of course the final test of demonstrating working equipment to prove the mistaken math and theories really works cannot be shown. It's a secret. So secret that Hung can not even talk about it. (of course he really proved the Evans ECE theory is true with his incredibly dangerous experiments, but he is not allowed to tell, or perhaps he never had a team that worked on a project which proved Evans mistaken theories are really true)? :rolleyes:


"Actually there are no genius among us. We are just human beings who keep learning as we go along".
We? Maybe most of us do. But it seems there are a few who never seem to learn unless they can find their information from sources that have been shown to be wrong, using math that does not work to produce theories that cannot work to produce non-working equipment.


Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
??? More fake BS that Dr. hung will never demonstrate in front of a skeptical witness?


Evolving is an unstoppable process inherent to all beings in this planet.
Actually, I have observed some living organisms regress to a lower life form on occasion. :rolleyes:


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.
So this must be the "ranting Hung" that is replying here? :rolleyes:

Presumably then, we can safely assume that you cannot answer the question. Just a little word of advice ... please try to use randomly-strung-together words that actually sound like they mean something.

[Jim]

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder. :D



no...no...no :nono:

[Qiaozhi]

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder. :D

no...no...no :nono:
What are you saying "no" to?
That anyone on TNET is even the slightest impressed by Hung's randomly-strung-together words, or that he should try much harder here on Geotech?
Or both?

My guess is that you don't want him to try harder. Probably nobody here wants that! :lol:

[Jim]

What are you saying "no" to?
That anyone on TNET is even the slightest impressed by Hung's randomly-strung-together words, or that he should try much harder here on Geotech?
Or both?

My guess is that you don't want him to try harder. Probably nobody here wants that! :lol:

That anyone on TreasureNet is even the slightest impressed by hung's randomly strung together words.

[Rudy]

You are a perfect example of the people who has some understanding of science but is unable to think beyond the books they learned at school, also accepting certain things as true without even questioning what it really means.

I'll take that as a compliment coming from you.


This pressure is the result of the 'creator's vibration' over an infinite point within the universe and maintains the atmosphere of all planets. And this is very easy to understand.

If there was such a thing, by virtue of it being a vibration, one would expect it to be compressive during half its cycle and extensive during the other half, with an average of zero, no?


If no constant pressure existed to maintain the 'gaseous cap' that surrounds every Planet, it would expand itself to the vacuum as again, gases pocess the tendency to expand indefinetely.
Remember Torricelli? He did not come up with the conclusion that atmospheric pressure over a given surface is 13.6g X 76cm of the mercury column for nothing. But this pressure is only perceived at sea level. For each 10 meters of elevation, the column drops 1 milimeter. So, theoretically, at 76KM high, there should be no pressure anymore! But aerial currents were observed in variable altitudes. If these currents did not existed you would be smashed by the huge atmospheric pressure.

With all due respect to Torricelli, gravity accounts in large part for our atmosphere. It also helps that our earth has a magnetic dipole that also helps keep our ionized upper atmosphere from being lost, as well as protect us from the solar winds.

Our bodies were created to withstand the atmospheric pressure, indeed, they depend on that pressure for their survival.


It's a repulsion. If there were no repulsion between energy and magnetism, motors would not turn for instance. This same repulsion act in the nebulae. Light repels the magnetic fields, so the 'multitude' of stars from several galaxies provide a great repulsive force in the nebulae's matter making them 'escape' fom each other.
Think. It's known that light weights right? This weight is nothing more than pressure that it exerts over matter. If the Sun attracted, its light would have no weight, but an opposite agent.

Part of what you are saying is solar radiation. The other part is ... nonsense.


If only an atraction force existed, but no repulsion at all, our little planet would come against its own atraction point.
And before you bark that centrifugal force is the cause for this repulsion, Earth would make a spiral smashing itself to the point of atraction.
No, it's not I who state this. It's our friend Math.

Is the repulsion you are talking about the force that keeps nuclei from fusing together?


You and some others here, seem to comprehend electronics and physics to some extent. Actually there are no genius among us.

I am no genius. But I did spend 10 years working with physicists at Bell Telephone Laboratories in a research department. While there, I had the privilege of meeting several fascinating Nobel laureates. People like like Arno Penzias, Bill Shockley and Richard Feynman, who though not a Bell Labs employee, was a frequent guest researcher.


But there is a difference between you people and some of us. Note that I include others here.
You people think that the amount of physics you know accounts sufficiently to explain everything INCLUDING WHAT CANNOT BE.

Not at all. There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics.


This is stupid. This is idiotic. And this only accounts for the IGNORANCE that reigns here.It should exactly be the opposite. You and others here should be the first ones to state and admit honestly that you are not able to make afirmations about certain apparently unexplained phenomena because the physics you know cannot explain.

To insist on anything else would be stupid and idiotic.


Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
Poor fellas.

Then explain how its done without a lot of mumbo jumbo. If you have to resort to obscure pseudo-scientific theories from charlatans, that' not good enough. If you don't wish to take Carl's test, then come and visit me in a chauffeured driven Rolls Royce with a suit case full of hard currency. This would make me believe that you have applied those principles and used them to become incredibly wealthy.

[Saturna]

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.



Ahh, yes. Scientific validity and, indeed, reality are always increased when religion is introduced. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[hung]

ll take that as a compliment coming from you.Thanks. I knew I was right.
If there was such a thing, by virtue of it being a vibration, one would expect it to be compressive during half its cycle and extensive during the other half, with an average of zero, no? There is no 'if' regarding the primary isotropic cause of all events. And no, what you infer above is absurd. Equilibrium forces to be kept do not allow antagonist periodic cycles.
Part of what you are saying is solar radiation. The other part is ... nonsense. If you appear to mix the concept of solar radiation with that of sun light pressure, how can you state the rest is nonsense?
This is very typical in brains who cannot process a particular data and emits an escapist comand verbalized.
Is the repulsion you are talking about the force that keeps nuclei from fusing together? No.
One more evidence that by not understanding the point, a refutal cannot be expressed.
I am no genius. But I did spend 10 years working with physicists at Bell Telephone Laboratories in a research department. While there, I had the privilege of meeting several fascinating Nobel laureates. People like like Arno Penzias, Bill Shockley and Richard Feynman, who though not a Bell Labs employee, was a frequent guest researcher. Had you spent more time learning from these guys and less time taking pictures of them or talking amenities in fast food locations, you could have had at least an introductory view on vibrational states. Specially with Feynman.
But reading some of your 'beliefs' in a post to Don Jose unfortunately you sure wasted precious time.
Not at all. There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics. Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense.
To insist on anything else would be stupid and idiotic. Exactly.
Then explain how its done without a lot of mumbo jumbo. If you have to resort to obscure pseudo-scientific theories from charlatans, that' not good enough. If you don't wish to take Carl's test, then come and visit me in a chauffeured driven Rolls Royce with a suit case full of hard currency. This would make me believe that you have applied those principles and used them to become incredibly wealthy. See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.




__________________

[WM6]

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.



It seems that The Creator made some big reset of Universe Vibrator by dowsing rod, just in moment you come to this world.

[Qiaozhi]

That anyone on TreasureNet is even the slightest impressed by hung's randomly strung together words.
This seems to be a universal law. Maybe it's part of Hung Science. ;)

[Jim]

This seems to be a universal law. Maybe it's part of Hung Science. ;)

I'll be willing to go out on a limb here....and simply say Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks. I knew I was right.
There is no 'if' regarding the primary isotropic cause of all events. And no, what you infer above is absurd. Equilibrium forces to be kept do not allow antagonist periodic cycles.
If you appear to mix the concept of solar radiation with that of sun light pressure, how can you state the rest is nonsense?
This is very typical in brains who cannot process a particular data and emits an escapist comand verbalized.
No.
One more evidence that by not understanding the point, a refutal cannot be expressed.
Had you spent more time learning from these guys and less time taking pictures of them or talking amenities in fast food locations, you could have had at least an introductory view on vibrational states. Specially with Feynman.
But reading some of your 'beliefs' in a post to Don Jose unfortunately you sure wasted precious time.
Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense.
Exactly.
See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.
And after all this baloney about "vibrational states", "black holes, etc., etc., the bottom line here is that you still believe in dowsing and dowsing-related devices, such as the Ranger Tell Examiner. Unbelievable! :shocked:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Einstein :razz:

[J_Player]

We can only conclude from your posts that you are either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or you use a lot of cutting and pasting ... or a combination of all three. This is clearly evident in your various posts - ranging from sheer rants to almost lucid.

However, your quote above is yet another demonstration that your ideas are nothing more than a confused and disjointed set of concepts, cobbled together from the ramblings of other pseudo-scientists and search engine results.

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe? What this even has to do with the title of this thread (H3Tec discussion) is anybody's guess. Please also define the meaning of "infinite point within the universe". This is just gobbledygook.

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder. It is not hard to determine where the source of Dr. hung's HungScience comes from.
Originally, it came mostly from the producers of Mineoro LRLs. We can read pages of hung posts dating back several years extolling the virtues of Damasio, producer of the Mineoro DC and FG long range treasure detectors. He was the original source of the gold DNA facts. But when it comes to general physics knowledge, Dr. hung ignored the disciplined explanations that were backed with actual mathematics and actually worked in practice to produce useful results that anyone could test and demonstrate. Instead of learning these principles, he focused on learning the theories which allowed for impossible mechanisms to work, such as free energy machines and LRLs.

Why?
Because he wanted to tell stories of how he invented some secret LRLs which find fabulous treasures. In lieu of showing any real evidence that his LRLs exist or found any treasure, he planned to tell stories of how they theoretically work, to convince people he is telling the truth. He figured his stories would also prove he is telling the truth about his fabulous recoveries and his brilliance for inventing better LRLs than any factory can. With any luck, he could reach the level of popularity and prestige that Esteban attained, who actually built experimental LRLs and showed photos of them, describing the components inside. By searching and finding physics theories that sound logical to a layman, he might be able trick people into thinking he actually invented and built working LRLs and made fantastic recoveries without actually showing any real evidence that he did.

It seemed like a cool plan, but there was one problem. It was easy to discover his sources. I was able to discover he had copied the writing found on Tom Bearden's website. But as it turned out, the writing he pasted actually came from Myron Evans website, an associate of Bearden who also had the same text on his website: http://174.132.129.189/~moreland/forums/showpost.php?p=52000&postcount=13 (http://174.132.129.189/%7Emoreland/forums/showpost.php?p=52000&postcount=13)

But where are these sources of pseudoscience?
We find many of Dr. hung's posts contain conglomerates of copy/paste and paraphrased text from a number of websites that are often found linked together on web pages dedicated to free energy, levitation, UFO conspiracies, and other pseudoscience websites. We discovered hung has been learning his physics from a number of quack physics promoters such as Myron Evans, Tom Bearden and others. As an example, Dr. hung once tipped us off to where we could find the sources for his science arguments when he posted here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=52033&postcount=32
...WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE TO QUESTION EVANS, HUTCHINSON, CATHIE, FLAMARION, TT BROWN, ETC.???!

So there you have it...
You don't even need to listen to Dr. hung's HungScience teachings to know what his argument is.
You can read it directly from the source by visiting his favorite "science websites":

Myron Evans: http://www.aias.us/
Tom Bearden: http://www.cheniere.org/
John Hutchinson: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/
Bruce Cathie: http://www.whale.to/m/cathie.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2190350/World-GridBruce-Cathie-Chemtrails-UFOs-secret-bases-New-Zealand-
http://books.google.com/books?id=AlwXwiYSEm0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22bruce+cathie%22&source=bl&ots=M3RIV--GT9&sig=1SCwY3FLFmK36Hax1am-ujOZMfs&hl=en&ei=7xMLTd22Co2isAPykNGGCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=yc4LRZgiyZoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22bruce+cathie%22&source=bl&ots=xEiqMMI8ix&sig=9pBPcf_D6aY4HCrq533hLFl7-WE&hl=en&ei=wBYLTc3tF5CosQPfv6S0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q&f=false
Camille Flammarion: http://www.archive.org/stream/atmosphere00flamiala/atmosphere00flamiala_djvu.txt
TT Brown: http://qualight.com/


So what's wrong with learning from these sources?
The theories are wrong, and recognizable as wrong by fatal errors in the math that invalidate the theories, and which are proven wrong by the failure to produce any working apparatus to operate using these theories.

Examples?

Myron Evans claims he revealed a unified theory of physics which unifies general relativity, quantum mechanics, and electromagnetism. The theory has been used to justify the motionless electromagnetic generator, a perpetual motion (over unity) machine that produces free power from a vacuum.

The problem:
1. The math Evans used to show how his version of a unified theory is wrong. It has not only math errors, but also logical errors and mis-applied math, with fatal errors that make the theory impossible to support theoretically. See details here: http://opensys.blogsome.com/2005/07/01/generally-covariant-unified-field-theory-myron-w-evans/
and here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0612/0612026v1.pdf
And very fine detail here: http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/GCUFT.html (http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/%7Ebruhn/GCUFT.html)
2. Evans theory is not published in the standard electronic archives, and no reference to ECE theory can be spotted in any of the peer reviewed scientific journals. It exists only on private websites where it is kept away from peer review.
3. There is no experimental data to back up the claims Myron Evans made for his unified theory, and a large mass of data to suggest he is wrong.
4. Since the time Myron Evans announced his unified theory and claimed we can get free energy from a vacuum, there has appeared no practical application of ECE theory which delivers any free energy from a vacuum as Myron Evans stated. The few attempts to build working apparatus resulted in failures which Myron Evans could not solve to provide the free energy he assured us is available. Nor have we seen any other application of anything useful from the flawed theories of Myron Evans.



Tom Bearden claims he did the following:
he unified Physics
revealed an exact scientifically proven method to cure cancer, leukemia and AIDS
revealed the "fundamental" secret of over-unity
revealed the "final secret" of free energy
showed how to deactivate radioactive materials
proved electromagnetism is a longitudinal phenomena like a sound wave
proved all the fundamentals of modern EM theory are wrong
proved that only "corroded" or "contaminated" materials are suitable for over-unity research. The worse the quality of the materials, the better
invented a "MEG" that outputs 7-100 times the amount of input power
deserves "more than a Nobel prize" for his work listed above

The problem:
1. The math Bearden used to calculate his free power machines shows he does not understand basic textbook physics. But worse, he doesn't understand the basic math needed for measuring power, such as P = VI = V²/R = I²R/ and the associated AC sine wave power equations. This is understandable considering he purchsed a fake PHD from Trinity College and University.
2. There is no experimental data to back up any of the above claims, and a large mass of data to suggest he is wrong.
3. In the past 7 years since he revealed all these secrets, invented the MEG over-unity generator, and revealed the final secret of free energy, we haven't seen a single example of any of his secrets working. Where is the free power? where are the new medical tools that cure cancer, leukemia and AIDs? See more of the details here: http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf


Is there any use to continue down the list of sources for HungScience?
His sources are all examples of applying really bad math to an unrelated set of arbitrary information or to flawed logical arguments -- sometimes interlaced with references to the Bible, spiritism, ESP, UFOs and other interesting "physics proofs". Bruce Cathie actually started his research and theories after he had an encounter with a UFO sighting.


Maybe this explains why hung's posts make him appear either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or he uses a lot of cutting and pasting ...
It also explains why he is wrong, and what drove him to learn from these pseudoscientist when he developed what we call HungScience.


When Rudy says "There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics",....
We can now understand why Dr. hung replies: "Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense".
We see how he needs to use "common sense" to "know he is right" instead of using math and the experimental evidence that proves he is wrong.
Hey, this method worked for all those pseudoscientists he learned from... why not for him?

(Hint: the sources hung learned from do not post in the Geotech forum. There is nobody answering their posts to tell them they are wrong. They continue as unchallenged hero's on forums that do not require they should be prepared to get challenged when they make extraordinary claims).


Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.



See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121245&postcount=317

[pebe]

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121245&postcount=317
And only someone as thick as Hung would attempt to provide a counter argument to that!

[hung]

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results.

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

[Fred]

Man, this is getting serious.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Err, ah, hmm, FRED, about the wording "HUNG"??? Is that essential to being a successful gigolo? Or does it have an unwarranted humiliating effect on many sceptics?

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s No, being a gigolo was never included in my worldly experiences, which J_P missed out on by being a model citizen, sigh, sniff.

[Fred]

Err, ah, hmm, FRED, about the wording "HUNG"??? Is that essential to being a successful gigolo? Or does it have an unwarranted humiliating effect on many sceptics?
Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s No, being a gigolo was never included in my worldly experiences, which J_P missed out on by being a model citizen, sigh, sniff.

I don´t know DJ_LM , i am no specialist.But i wonder why, amongs several words, that one attracted your attention.

[J_Player]

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121245&postcount=317)
And only someone as thick as Hung would attempt to provide a counter argument to that!He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories. You were right..!!! :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

So, if you dowse long enough in enough locations with an LRL, you are bound to occasionally get lucky.

From these finds, you develop some theory as to why you were successful.

Pretty soon, you start to develop subordinate theories to explain the many occasions that you get skunked and find nothing (e.g. the rain the night before dissipated the ionic field, wind was too strong, ...).

Got it. I now understand.

[J_Player]

So, if you dowse long enough in enough locations with an LRL, you are bound to occasionally get lucky.

From these finds, you develop some theory as to why you were successful.

Pretty soon, you start to develop subordinate theories to explain the many occasions that you get skunked and find nothing (e.g. the rain the night before dissipated the ionic field, wind was too strong, ...).

Got it. I now understand.Are you sure about this?
Could it be that Dr. hung heard about a report that a friend of a friend saw a youtube movie that showed a motor spinning hooked up to a battery and caused a light to light, and this proves the Bedini motor works, and all Evans/Bearden/Hutchinson theories are really, really true?
(still waiting for some free electricity so I don't need to pay electric bills).

Oops, I forgot... all this HungScience is a secret.
Do you suppose Dr. hung has abundant free electrical power to light up all his stacks of gold bullion and statues so they sparkle late into the night?
Do his servants scrape off the substance that coats the surface of his gold every day and save it in barrels to be sold as anti-corrosion mystery oil?
Does he he pay his electrical bills to conceal the fact that he has implemented the free energy from a vacuum generator hidden behind the trash cans?
Does he still drive an obsolete car to conceal the fact he prefers to travel in his intergalactic space ship?
Does he slave away at his janitor job so people won't suspect he is independently wealthy from all the fabulous treasures he has recovered?
Does he go bowling with the boys from the janitor service on Tuesday nights instead of attending parties with alien dignitaries from distant planets, so people won't suspect he is cooler than the average dude on the block?

Best wishes,
J_P