Mineoro FG90 in action

[hung]

The owner of the detector asked me to post a link to a video in which he demonstrates the FG90. He had previously found gold coins in this location using the device.

Interesting to see how good the ionic emanation is. Notice the very low calibration needed (around 030) in the vernier pot. In normal conditions for long range and in emanations of medium intensity, it's around 170. His FG90 was an early PCB. Still no face plate available at the time.
First beeps were about 300 feet away.

He is a member of this forum here and it's up to him whether he decides to show up for some coments later.
Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKFPDCg3k0

[takhslambos]

it si not the fg90 is the fg80.

[takhslambos]

the coins was in a metal box?

[Qiaozhi]

The owner of the detector asked me to post a link to a video in which he demonstrates the FG90. He had previously found gold coins in this location using the device.

Interesting to see how good the ionic emanation is. Notice the very low calibration needed (around 030) in the vernier pot. In normal conditions for long range and in emanations of medium intensity, it's around 170. His FG90 was an early PCB. Still no face plate available at the time.
First beeps were about 300 feet away.

He is a member of this forum here and it's up to him whether he decides to show up for some coments later.
Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKFPDCg3k0
Well ... what can I say? :rolleyes:

If that is supposed to be a good demonstration of the Mineoro FG90 (or is it FG80?) then you could have fooled me. :lol:
What a pile of cr@p! :eek:
It beeps here, it beeps there, it beeps everywhere ... but not apparently when it's pointing at the supposed target. You'd be lucky to find a gold bar in Fort Knox from the other side of the room with this rubbish. :razz:

Hopefully potential buyers will see this demonstration and save some money in the process.

[hung]

the coins was in a metal box?

Takhs,

This is an early version of the FG90. It's got rev 1.0 or 1.1 FG90 PCB, I think. Only the panel is from the FG80.
I was told this location is where a battle happened in early 1800's. Several gold coins were found with this FG90 and a lot of metal artifacts from that era. The gold coins were spread in the ground.

History tells however that gold inside a metal container similar to a safe was hidden in this location. This would finance guns for the battle.
He told me he got a much stronger signal coming from three coconut tress ahead of this site, but he decided to investigate that on the video first.
The FG90 is beeping exactly at the gold locations. The targets are spread in 3 different directions as you can see in the video.
Since he is very close to them sometimes when he passes the edge of the field emanation, the device silences for a while, until it restarts when the operator steps back.

You see, that's why I almost do not post in this forum anymore. I got fed up of reading idiot coments from people who are not treasure hunters, do not own a Mineoro, do not have the slightest idea of what they are talking about and try to explain what they do not understand.
Sorry, but I suggest that if you have any question, either PM me, or even better, PM the forum member who owns the device.
Regards.

[WesP]

I see a very large hole and an inconstant beeping but no treasure or any thing that came out of the hole.......????????????:|:|:|:|:|:frown:

[Carl-NC]

WOW THAT'S IMPRESSIVE WOW I MEAN WOW










Nice backup detector, too. These guys are obviously pros.

[gaucho1961]

:) Hello everyone this forum!
Sorry for my english, I write something wrong!
I beg leave to express myself in this forum.
I want to talk a little about myself to know me and know who I am.
It all started with this pendulum electronic detector of electromagnetic field, it works with 12 large batteries of 1.5 volts, it was my late father who liked to find treasures, in the 1960s.
I was born in 1961 and as a child traveling with my late father to conduct research, and that was the reason I acquired the love of treasure hunting.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/image.php?u=1859&dateline=1175743714&type=profile

Until today I was an observer of the post's written in the forum but never interfere in the course of the discussions as more wise is the one who listens and learns, and I think this subject is always what you learn and study, and I have all of you as great researchers and decision-makers and that will always have something to teach me and show something new. And much I learned from that forum.
I put this video in order to demonstrate a small part of that so "humiliated and disbelieving" detector can make.
When our friend Esteban Hung or report details of how the detector works, they are not inventing fanciful stories.
I've had great satisfaction with this detector finding coins, jewelry, relics, swords with details in gold and many of the pieces exhibited in museums in my city and other states of my country.
33 years ago I hunt for treasures in Brazil some states, Argentina, Uruguay and has traveled thousands of miles searching for treasures and relics, and I already found a lot of gold.
Respect all opinions contrary because I believe that has not had the opportunity to use the FG 90.
Once they do, they will be with another look at it.
The Hung and Esteban are great researchers of this type, as well as others of that forum, and I respect them for that.
With my experience and dedication of 33 years of research, I am respected in my state and I am ordered by archaeologists, Police Technique, Universities and many people who have an interest in treasure hunting and archaeological sites of indigenous peoples and settlements Jesuits in the Search the culture and lives and our ancestors' habits.
I'm from the time I had to make mine the metal detectors because there was the difficulty of importing and buying from another country and detectors Mineoro were a lot of money for a child as I buy.
Today everything has changed and everyone can have a beautiful detector and have fun in public squares and other places.
And you Americans should be proud of it, because you have much involvement in it, because you also will produce great metal detectors and provide it with the joy and pleasure to many people who love this sport worldwide.
I have 49 year old and not have to expose myself to ridicule for this video. In the place where I'm researching various treasures buried there, as well as small objects lost by man. The site was the scene of major wars and there are many gold coins deposited in the vault of iron but the safe was not found until today, I believe that is close to three feet of coconut trees to 50 mtrs, the ruins of the old house, because when I point out that the FG target to deliver a song with low sensitivity.
I would post all my videos from 30 years ago, yet filmed with Betamax and VHS, but I want to show something this time nobody had the courage to reveal, record and exhibit on the Net for all to enjoy with satisfaction the pleasure of removing the earth, metal that many seek today.
But this time, with the FG90, which is controversial and debated.
I might not dig more at the treasure because the rain was close and I would not come out of there, because it has a lot of mud and bad roads.
I will return in place and bring all new footage waiting to show everyone my research with the FG90.
I'm sorry my english is bad, and used a translator, hoping that I have understood.
I leave a big hug to all people of this forum, especially for the controversial forum members, they are the cause and consequence of LRL's what they are today.
Because they have good detectors LRL.
And I thank you all!

[Clondike Clad]

The owner of the detector asked me to post a link to a video in which he demonstrates the FG90. He had previously found gold coins in this location using the device.

Interesting to see how good the ionic emanation is. Notice the very low calibration needed (around 030) in the vernier pot. In normal conditions for long range and in emanations of medium intensity, it's around 170. His FG90 was an early PCB. Still no face plate available at the time.
First beeps were about 300 feet away.

He is a member of this forum here and it's up to him whether he decides to show up for some coments later.
Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKFPDCg3k0

LOL:nono:

[hung]

WOW THAT'S IMPRESSIVE WOW I MEAN WOW










Nice backup detector, too. These guys are obviously pros.

Yes. These guys are experienced Treasure Hunters with many findings. Not armchair science charlatans as yourself.
By the way, you left TNET through the bathroom door...
Will you do the same in your own forum now?:lol::lol::lol:

[Qiaozhi]

:) Hello everyone this forum!
Sorry for my english, I write something wrong!
I beg leave to express myself in this forum.
I want to talk a little about myself to know me and know who I am.
It all started with this pendulum electronic detector of electromagnetic field, it works with 12 large batteries of 1.5 volts, it was my late father who liked to find treasures, in the 1960s.
I was born in 1961 and as a child traveling with my late father to conduct research, and that was the reason I acquired the love of treasure hunting.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/image.php?u=1859&dateline=1175743714&type=profile

Until today I was an observer of the post's written in the forum but never interfere in the course of the discussions as more wise is the one who listens and learns, and I think this subject is always what you learn and study, and I have all of you as great researchers and decision-makers and that will always have something to teach me and show something new. And much I learned from that forum.
I put this video in order to demonstrate a small part of that so "humiliated and disbelieving" detector can make.
When our friend Esteban Hung or report details of how the detector works, they are not inventing fanciful stories.
I've had great satisfaction with this detector finding coins, jewelry, relics, swords with details in gold and many of the pieces exhibited in museums in my city and other states of my country.
33 years ago I hunt for treasures in Brazil some states, Argentina, Uruguay and has traveled thousands of miles searching for treasures and relics, and I already found a lot of gold.
Respect all opinions contrary because I believe that has not had the opportunity to use the FG 90.
Once they do, they will be with another look at it.
The Hung and Esteban are great researchers of this type, as well as others of that forum, and I respect them for that.
With my experience and dedication of 33 years of research, I am respected in my state and I am ordered by archaeologists, Police Technique, Universities and many people who have an interest in treasure hunting and archaeological sites of indigenous peoples and settlements Jesuits in the Search the culture and lives and our ancestors' habits.
I'm from the time I had to make mine the metal detectors because there was the difficulty of importing and buying from another country and detectors Mineoro were a lot of money for a child as I buy.
Today everything has changed and everyone can have a beautiful detector and have fun in public squares and other places.
And you Americans should be proud of it, because you have much involvement in it, because you also will produce great metal detectors and provide it with the joy and pleasure to many people who love this sport worldwide.
I have 49 year old and not have to expose myself to ridicule for this video. In the place where I'm researching various treasures buried there, as well as small objects lost by man. The site was the scene of major wars and there are many gold coins deposited in the vault of iron but the safe was not found until today, I believe that is close to three feet of coconut trees to 50 mtrs, the ruins of the old house, because when I point out that the FG target to deliver a song with low sensitivity.
I would post all my videos from 30 years ago, yet filmed with Betamax and VHS, but I want to show something this time nobody had the courage to reveal, record and exhibit on the Net for all to enjoy with satisfaction the pleasure of removing the earth, metal that many seek today.
But this time, with the FG90, which is controversial and debated.
I might not dig more at the treasure because the rain was close and I would not come out of there, because it has a lot of mud and bad roads.
I will return in place and bring all new footage waiting to show everyone my research with the FG90.
I'm sorry my english is bad, and used a translator, hoping that I have understood.
I leave a big hug to all people of this forum, especially for the controversial forum members, they are the cause and consequence of LRL's what they are today.
Because they have good detectors LRL.
And I thank you all!
Thank you for posting your information. Despite what Hung says, you are welcome here.

However, I have one question:
Have you ever recovered any treasure with only the Mineoro, or do you use a conventional metal detector to make the final recovery? I ask this question because there is a real metal detector shown in the video.

I think most people here will agree that the beeping of the Mineoro does not seem consistent. That is, it does not appear to beep in the same place twice. The beeps are very random. How is it possible to find anything with this device?

[WM6]

T

That is, it does not appear to beep in the same place twice. The beeps are very random.



This only mean that gold is everywhere around.

[takhslambos]

what the diference bitwin fg80 fg79 fg90? i thinking to buy a fg79.

[Qiaozhi]

what the diference bitwin fg80 fg79 fg90? i thinking to buy a fg79.
What????? :???:

Even after watching the video?

[hung]

what the diference bitwin fg80 fg79 fg90? i thinking to buy a fg79.

Email sent.

[hung]

I see a very large hole and an inconstant beeping but no treasure or any thing that came out of the hole.......????????????:|:|:|:|:|:frown:

Actually the 'inconstant' beepings are due to the field emanation 'edge' being reached. In this case, there's a kind of null area and this edge or border is now 360 degrees around and with different intensities. To go over the exact spot, he has to recalibrate the device to reach the center with only one beep.
As the footage starts with the operator already in the site spot, the 'audience' lacks reference to know what is exactly going on. But the FG is strictly directional and gaucho 1961 told me the first beeps started at 300 feet away precisely in one direction. I don't have slightest doubt he located gold from this distance and according to the beeps behavior.

Watching the videos however I feel that there's also one target to the right of the hole and I already told him to check it.
He told me they had to abort operations as it started to rain so they had to leave the place.
I believe he is working on it right now or early tomorrow, and I expect we will have some good news soon.

[WesP]

And by the time they return some bandito's will have discovered the hole and stolen the treasure........;);););););):razz:

[gaucho1961]

Dear friend Quiaozhi, and other members of the forum.
Answering your question.
I use FG90 whenever I begin the field research, when locating the exact place I continue with FG90.
Only in the end of the excavation it is that I begin to use Bounty Hunter Land to Screech and the 08MI of MINEORO.
I don't believe that a researcher of treasures that really looks for only something of value, skirt with a detector in your exploration, I particularly have several detectors and I take all with me, because I can need a specific detector that is inserted in the research.
FG90 is still something new for me in comparison with the detectors created by me or to my old companion 08MI of MINEORO.
Another thing that has to be commented is that in my state the largest pitched war happened in numbers of soldiers in Brazilian soil, other war existed " War of the Farrapos ", in my state the 7 People of the Missions, that it was colonization of Priests Spanish Jesuits existed and that explored the indigenous people and they extracted the gold of the lands of my state. What makes the difference it is that the hunt to the treasure is not published and few people that try that modality exist, and they try with ridiculous equipments and without any technology, for that a lot of thing still exists to be explored.
The company MINEORO that was born in my state in the city of Taquara, there are 40km from where I live, it always marketed direct in the factory, not in stores, and without popularization in the mÃ*dia, and your prices were always out of the reality for a lot of people that like hunt to the treasure.
Those whole causes are the reasons for having in my state a lot of thing still buried.
Quiaozhi, do I respect the opinions contrary with relationship to the operation of FG90, but the something I can tell her? What doesn't he work? What is an illusion? And who answers on the coins of gold that I already found with him? Do bark them with 29 pieces of jewels in the picture in my signature in this page?
I can finish that Forum right now saying that you are right and I am wrong and that FG90 is a fraud and final point.
I am exposing something of my private life that to today I had not done, showing videos that up to now was to show to my friends and research friends.
I am not here wanting to be clown exposing me, or to prove to somebody if FG90 works or not.
I am sharing one of my happiness of the life, something that gives me a lot of amusement and pleasure, and it doesn't matter if they believe or not. For me that it really interests it is that I already found in 3 occasions something that gave me a lot of money and happiness.
Only that now want to share with all and to show that buried treasures really exist and that it is to the reach of all, it is enough to be serious, persistent, and never to give up the objective, to seek at the places where one historizes it really happened, and the principal of all this, never if solemnity deceives, believing that for obligation that something should be something buried at that place.
That is my beginning of researches.
I neither want to decrease nor to offend nobody of that forum, if I did it was unintentionally, excuse me.
I wait that they understand my bad English, and I thank the opportunity to share my experiences in the treasure hunt.

Tomorrow I will travel to the city where I am working that research and to finish the hole that appears in the video. The place is protected and nobody has access to him, for that, if has something to be discovered it will be. :shocked:
I will film everything to show for you.

A great hug in all!

[WM6]

I use FG90 whenever I begin the field research, when locating the exact place I continue with FG90.
Only in the end of the excavation it is that I begin to use Bounty Hunter Land to Screech ......



Logically, the FG90 is an LRL (Long Range Locator). so it cannot detect nothing from vicinity.

[Fred]

Impressive video.
And interesting device: We can see that if we shake it long enough in any direction it will eventually beep, no matter how far away from the big empty hole it is...With beeping everywhere, 99% of the job is done, we just have to find something in any direction and at any distance, and selectively remember that at least one beep was right.
the last 1% are done with the real detector to actually detect the target...
...Or is that the other way around?

[Qiaozhi]

Gaucho - if it works for you, then that is good.
But we have heard from many other people that it doesn't work for them.
Good luck in your treasure hunting.

[hung]

Early this evening gaucho sent me a message in which he told me that his partner who is staying at the site, called him on the phone this morning stating that he decided to dig while waiting for the group to arrive. Actually gaucho could not make it today. His partner then told that after some more digging he reached a completely different kind of soil. Sand of yellowish color. All of a sudden a strong smell of methane gas type began to be felt like 'rotten egg'. He imediately quit digging and made a call to gaucho.

I know that some reported treasure sites in Brazil exhibit this occurence sometimes due to decomposing organic material buried with treasure and also due to traps loaded with arsenic.
Anyway, it's getting close now...

Tonite I could talk to him over the net and he told me he plans to head at dawn to the site.
So, let's wish him the greatest of luck in his endeavour . I also would like to coment on his astounding attitude and decision to make public any possible finding through documented videos, something that is very rare as secrecy and discretion is a must in this business. This is one brave man...

PS. Maybe one day he decides to tell the forum the several cases and findings as treasure hunter along the years.

[simonbaker]

The owner of the detector asked me to post a link to a video in which he demonstrates the FG90. He had previously found gold coins in this location using the device.

Interesting to see how good the ionic emanation is. Notice the very low calibration needed (around 030) in the vernier pot. In normal conditions for long range and in emanations of medium intensity, it's around 170. His FG90 was an early PCB. Still no face plate available at the time.
First beeps were about 300 feet away.

He is a member of this forum here and it's up to him whether he decides to show up for some coments later.
Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKFPDCg3k0

Does it work without the dog?

[putrechigi]

hi at everibody nice too meet you gaucho1961 i'm from italia and i dont' think how many treasure are in my countri but if you think that it was benne a hundre and hundre war i think in italy we have many many treasure roman, medieval, 1 war,2war ecc.ecc.-ecc. you think there are problem with fg/90 to find treasure in my country? because we are at north of emisphere? you know someone in Europe and particularly in Italy has found treasures with mineoro LRL?
i try one week with fg/80 wthout find nothing wath is the difference with fg?90?
thank you very much and best reguards
manolo

[WM6]

what the diference bitwin fg80 fg79 fg90? i thinking to buy a fg79.



The same as diference between Mr. Hung and gaucho1961. All are genetically the same but promoted as improvement.

[Fred]

This is the FG-80 enclosure with a FG-90 board.

Hung, i will follow the story, i enjoy this kind of reading. I just hope it will not end abruptly like other ones.

[gibon]

hi at everibody nice too meet you gaucho1961 i'm from italia and i dont' think how many treasure are in my countri but if you think that it was benne a hundre and hundre war i think in italy we have many many treasure roman, medieval, 1 war,2war ecc.ecc.-ecc. you think there are problem with fg/90 to find treasure in my country? because we are at north of emisphere? you know someone in Europe and particularly in Italy has found treasures with mineoro LRL?
i try one week with fg/80 wthout find nothing wath is the difference with fg?90?
thank you very much and best reguards
manolo

Hello Manolo,

so your back on the forum ! . Good to here from you. What about the test of the Bionic 01 of your friend ?

Concerning Mineoro sometime my Dc2008 make me feel nervous and I want to threw it away. But in fact it is just a tool and you need other device to reach the target.

Most of LRL user are honest poeple here on the forum and they are always ready to give advice and assistance and it is great.

As user of Mineoro I would say it is quite versatile and unstable but i wouldn't say it is scame. But the price is too expensive for such device and the advertising of the factory is too much optimistic.

Many thanks again to the senior members for theire always interesting topic and electronic project.

Happy prospecting and good luck for all TH

[simonbaker]

but do you need the dog to use it?

[hung]

but do you need the dog to use it?

No, it's not needed.
But I'm absolutely sure my dog is much more useful than the crap ordinary MD you might use.
Maybe you can teach yours to skyjump as I did with mine a long time ago.

[simonbaker]

No, it's not needed.
But I'm absolutely sure my dog is much more useful than the crap ordinary MD you might use.
Maybe you can teach yours to skyjump as I did with mine a long time ago.

Yes, man + LRL + dog can find many things.

[simonbaker]

I don't want to be mean. I respect anyone doing honest experiments/research with any technology or theories. They know who they are.

-SB

[Fred]

No, it's not needed.
But I'm absolutely sure my dog is much more useful than the crap ordinary MD you might use.
Maybe you can teach yours to skyjump as I did with mine a long time ago.
Hope you will keep at least one crap MD, as they seem to be needed to "pinpoint"

[J_Player]

Hope you will keep at least one crap MD, as they seem to be needed to "pinpoint"A good MD would be helpful too.
Have you ever tried the new White's Spectra V3i or DFX 300? These are awesome for finding the goods.
If you want deeper range to find an iron box full of coins, how about the White’s TM 808, or Lorenz Deepmax X3, or the Pulse Star II Pro with a 1 meter coil?
Sure, they can't find a coin from a mile away, but they are successful at locating a buried iron box without making random beeps. :thumb:

Best wishes,
J_P

[gaucho1961]

Hello friends of the forum,
I thank you the opportunity to speak.
Has not happened today. :frown:
I could not dig and finish it.
As you know, I live in southern Brazil, and we're going through a bitter winter, with lots of rain and intense cold.
As it was combined with my friend, I was traveling this morning to the research site, but the rain was relentless all day and tomorrow will be the same. It rains a lot out there right now.
I stayed inside his house all day and night now returned to my house, the good thing is that is 70 km away from where I live.
Saturday the forecast is better for my state and will stay sunny all next week.
There is some information that I'm leaving out because I want to finish this search for later release, but it is not the function of the detector, can rest easy. It's about strange facts that occur in the region where I'm digging. But that's for later, and I'd rather reserve for later.
I am anxious to resolve this quickly, because there are other points to look at the same farm my friend at the same time want to share this special issue with you all.
To illustrate my statements regarding this research, I copied some pictures from Google Earth and edited on Photoshop, which shows where everything is happening, for them to enjoy and give your opinions about it. Open the photo and increase the zoom.
Look at sites that are marked.


For J_PLAYER:

I had a DeepMax, analog model, but I sold in 2008, really reliable and accurate, but my financial situation at that time did not allow me to stay with him until today I regret having to let go of him. But thanks for the advice anyway.

Again, excuse my English.
Thanks, and I ask you to understand the situation, whether it is sad for all of you, for me is even sadder.
Big hug for everyone!

[Funfinder]

This video is a step into the right direction - but we need alot more of these.

Is this a metal plate directly under the handle for shielding?

Is there a knob for adjusting the beeping volume?

btw. this random beeping really is irritating.
A raise in the tone-frequency would be better or a visual instrument like a VU-Meter.

What means this "walk from north to south"?

That the magnetic particles "flying" from south to north and get weakened or distracted by the long time ago buried object, creating some wind-shadow similar effect that you can detect? In other words some kind of "hole or distortion in the magnetic field"?

Perhaps this also distorts the electrostatic field, but I doubt that there are flying any ions through the air.

by the way there exists some (new?) Mineoro demonstration video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMsEVkXxQy4

and this "deep & center" or whats the exact name thing is really interresting.


Anyway:
More videos please, not only from treasure places, but also from authentic test sessions.

[putrechigi]

hi gaucho1961 everybody know tha i belive ion lrl and i like you answer at my question too please.is possible in north emisphere mineoro has the problem in reception?

For gibon hi my friend i try tree time with bionic and with gold ring we find him 20 cm deep at 50 meters of distans everytime , but about real condition in 5 time we start to escavation for 1.5 meters and in two time we find a gold (1coin and 1ring) i was very happy but after we woek alotoff for nothing, i think the wether condition umiditi,sun,mineralization and other change the power of all lrl and is very very dificult balance they everytime.with fg|80 we try one week and we can't find the gold plate too text that you find in the box with the lrl.
in this video you can see the fg/80 that we test in the huose he work afther two huors to try in the cuontry it was'nt possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTxwNbIcNM
best reguards manolo

[WM6]

in this video you can see the fg/80 that we test in the huose he work afther two huors to try in the cuontry it was'nt possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTxwNbIcNM
best reguards manolo



Hi manolo,

it evidently not work at gold plate vicinity inside house.

Why you dont move gold plate in front instead of tweezers?

It work only on movement, not at gold plate, work as some sort of gradiometer, because of ferrite antenna solution inside.

Gold plate can also work as RF reflector. To check if this happen, you need to fix FG80 and move and rotate gold plate (or other metal plate) in front.

[hung]

One of my fortes is meteorology and after hearing yesterday morning on TV about an upcoming severe cold front for the southern region in Brazil, I entered the weather satelite site and could confirm this information through the synoptical charts checking the isobars.
I just hoped there was enough time for gaucho to work that site before the rain, but indeed there was not.

It seems that it will only get better after monday. Yes, it's a drag but I have run into this problem a lot too and I perfectly know that feels.

[hung]

A good MD would be helpful too.
Have you ever tried the new White's Spectra V3i or DFX 300? These are awesome for finding the goods.
If you want deeper range to find an iron box full of coins, how about the White’s TM 808, or Lorenz Deepmax X3, or the Pulse Star II Pro with a 1 meter coil?
Sure, they can't find a coin from a mile away, but they are successful at locating a buried iron box without making random beeps. :thumb:

Best wishes,
J_P

How many beeps do you think it's required to find a spot... when you are already in the spot and only needs the location? One million?:lol:

With all that 'inconsistent' beepings as you say gaucho perfectly reached the site and even dug the hole...
I already explained the beeping case and what's going on. There is no inconsistency at all, so I will not waste my time going into this explanation again.

I would like however to place some coments about your words concerning the ordinary metal detectors you named.

First point they are obsolete technology.

Metal detector technology as it is today, that is, speaking of ordinary ones, is more than 100 years old now. And today they offer the same kind of concept, independent of being BF0, VLF, PI, etc. looking for changes in magnetic field and conducting metals after a first magnetic field is applied.

I can build a box out of paper. Then I move to wood, then to plastic and as years go by, with new discoveries in leagues, resins and materials, it can be made of plastic, fiberglass, aluminum, etc. No matter how sofisticated that is, it's still a.... BOX.
So, in sum... No matter how these MDs are offered today in terms of fancy looking and parlor shop effects, they still employ over a century year old concept by the manufacturers.
I won't go here in deeper coments on how I think they fool people into thinking they are getting the latest technologies, when the real technologies are being exclusively used by the military or independent researcherers, and making these consumers think they are getting one hell of a deal using those fancy craps for coin hunt at the beach when the toys reach the 'unbelievable' depth of 10 inches for instance. But this is my personal opinion, no discussion about it.
OK, I might be exagerating as there's some inovation goin on despite of being the same old, old concept.
Devices such a s Jeohunter and Golden King, also offer algorithms and DSP which allow to determine target types, depth and 3d images with accuracy. That's good and fair enough. I respect them and it amazes me that it required the Turkish to show the American manufacturers how to do it.:lol:
Their imaging employing VLF concepts is interesting, relatively cheap and offer a much better choice than the galactical prices of OKM for instance and that of fancy GPRs. Actually the GPRs being sold for consumers today are piece of crap. The REAL GPRs are being used by NASA, and those are the real deal. As always, the military and government have the priviledge...or waddayathink? But this is another story.

You mentioned white's TM808, The mineoro 08MI beats it hands down, even still using electronics of the 60's but the concept is highly ingenious, allowing caption of target field emanation from dozens of feet away. Just ask gaucho how many feet away he detected and dug a 15 feet long and thick gold chain.
Then the lorenz deepmax x3.
X6 is better with imaging algorithms, yet an expensive toy for detection only if you are over a target.
In these terms, JEOHUNTER is a much, much, better option.
Pulsestar II... good PI, but no imaging. And the other one you mentioned is just a fancy toy for beachcombers.

Again, this technology is obsolete. The military and independent parties are the ones who use the real deal.
LRLs do not require these at all. Maybe a JEOHUNTER just to check what they have detected. This provided the depth is at the reach of the coil.
LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

Sorry, but these are my thoughts.

[hung]

Anyway:
More videos please, not only from treasure places, but also from authentic test sessions.

Alonso is shooting some videos with the Mineoros showing recoveries. These will include beach findings too and techniques he uses.

They will be released very soon.

[WM6]

LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.



Hi Hung, It seems that your isobars are at very high level.

[luciano furtado]

I am sending you a map in order to further facilitate the work out there
hehehe ...

[WM6]

Hi Luciano,

your map are false but here I give you an original:

[takhslambos]

HI manolo i m from greece.i m thinking to buy a mineoro.what model of mineoro you used in italy?what model is the best for our cantrys?

[putrechigi]

HI manolo i m from greece.i m thinking to buy a mineoro.what model of mineoro you used in italy?what model is the best for our cantrys?
i sand you one mp

[goldmaniac]

The soil is very fresh
both swings both disturbed magnetic fields and barrel beep

[Funfinder]

What we need is anticipation, optimistic realistic hope, joy and fun in finding real precious treasures that motivates us for hunting because we will became millioneers, getin' rich and have a real good life, holidays in Las Vegas, sex n drugs n rockn roll, freedom and doin only what we really like... - more treasure huntin'! :D :D :lol:

That's why we need reliable treasure maps, infos but also detectors that get the most out of the ground!


@ hung
Thank you very much for still posting here and defending the Mineoro devices and ignoring all those bad jokes and stupid stuff because you and some other really try to prove those devices are really working.

Thank you also for your true Jeonhunter statement!

Compared to alot other deep search P.I. stuff (for those you need 1m large coils if you want to find real deep stuff) it can find coins with the standard coil, has disc and also audio/visual cavity-mineral detection.


But what the most people here are critizin' is the unreliability of the Mineoro detectors in the north hemisphere and under certain weather conditions.

Your "damned" usual MDs can be switched on and 95 out of 100 times they do their job as they should - no matter what if it's day or night, sunny or rainy outside.

btw. the meteorology is a really complex topic.


In the german book "Magnetism" I read the following:

There is a second, weaker magnetic field created by the ionosphere and it's most powerful around the equator.

There are also ionic storms from the ionosphere (100-160km above the ground), sometimes created by energetic sunwinds. There also is the Van-Allen-Magnetosphere-Belt.

btw. magnetism is caused by the electrons spin, an electron is the smallest magnetic particle. And for shure this has something to do with LRL, electrostatic and metal detection, because usual MDs are using magnetical coils.


However - making it more interresting by "fun & action" again, hung please go to north america or europe and try out how good the Mineoro works there and upload nice videos from this. If Carl Moreland still offers his price for detection you could make good money if you are shure it would work in da States, too. But because of the different magnetic and electrostatic situation perhaps it really only works in southern america or south of the equator.



@ putrechigi
Thank you for your written test results. Make more if you can with different / not calibrated gold objects and hidden by other person.



@ all - important question:
Let's assume the Mineoro detects a long time ago golden coin of 1 inch / 2.5cm in 1.5 feet / 50cm depth from a distance!!

What usual detector with the best price-worthyness-relation (evtl. what special coil if needed) would be the best for pinpointing this coin, has a chance to find it?!

[J_Player]

How many beeps do you think it's required to find a spot... when you are already in the spot and only needs the location? One million?

With all that 'inconsistent' beepings as you say gaucho perfectly reached the site and even dug the hole...
I already explained the beeping case and what's going on. There is no inconsistency at all, so I will not waste my time going into this explanation again.
Hmmmm.... If you can't understand the meaning of random beeps, I guess you are wise not to try to explain the concept of inconsistency to others, as you say.

I would like however to place some coments about your words concerning the ordinary metal detectors you named.

First point they are obsolete technology.

Metal detector technology as it is today, that is, speaking of ordinary ones, is more than 100 years old now. And today they offer the same kind of concept, independent of being BF0, VLF, PI, etc. looking for changes in magnetic field and conducting metals after a first magnetic field is applied.

I can build a box out of paper. Then I move to wood, then to plastic and as years go by, with new discoveries in leagues, resins and materials, it can be made of plastic, fiberglass, aluminum, etc. No matter how sofisticated that is, it's still a.... BOX.
So, in sum... No matter how these MDs are offered today in terms of fancy looking and parlor shop effects, they still employ over a century year old concept by the manufacturers.
I won't go here in deeper coments on how I think they fool people into thinking they are getting the latest technologies, when the real technologies are being exclusively used by the military or independent researcherers, and making these consumers think they are getting one hell of a deal using those fancy craps for coin hunt at the beach when the toys reach the 'unbelievable' depth of 10 inches for instance. But this is my personal opinion, no discussion about it.
OK, I might be exagerating as there's some inovation goin on despite of being the same old, old concept.Of course you are exagerating. In fact I am wondering if you are telling outright lies. If the conventional VLF and PI detectors are simply a "sophisticated box" and "fancy craps", then we can presume you would not recommend them, much less use them. However, you do use them. You are only saying these things to try to convince others they shouldn't use them. Suppose people found out you really do think they are useful, and use them yourself? Would they stop believing your stories? Already I have heard you tell stories that can't possibly be true in this forum, and now you are telling people conventional metal detectors are obsolete.

Who are they obsolete for? Certainly not you. You use one to find treasure when you want people to think your Mineoro machines found the treasure. Was WM6 right? Are there peple in Brazil trying to scam the rest of the world into believing their LRLs work?
Or did you throw out your conventional detectors years ago, seeing as how they are obsolete?


You mentioned white's TM808, The mineoro 08MI beats it hands down, even still using electronics of the 60's....What?
Mineoro is also manufacturing "obsolete" conventional metal detectors? :eek:
So they are not obsolete for Mineoro or for you. You only want others to believe they are obsolete. :oh:

Now why would that be?
Could this be the next adventure into hung-science?
The only reason that comes to mind is the conventional metal detectors recover over 1000 times more treasure than LRLs have recovered, whether by accident or design. I can look at the published finds every week and there is no comparison. Gold, silver jewelry, caches, coins, relics... the treasure hunting forums are full of these finds from conventional detectors. I see hundreds of treasure finds every week, but only once in a very long while do we hear about a treasure found from someone using an LRL. And we also have a large majority of LRL purchaseres who complain they don't work.

I suppose there could be some logic to try to convince people the conventional detectors are obsolete in order to promote a concept they are sure doesn't work. But maybe it is hard for them to believe you when you secretly use these conventional metal detectors on hunts where you claim the LRLs located the treasure. Of course it is a free forum, so you are free to post about how metal detectors are obsolete, Just as others are free to believe you use obsolete metal detectors to find buried metal.



...Again, this technology is obsolete. The military and independent parties are the ones who use the real deal.
LRLs do not require these at all. Maybe a JEOHUNTER just to check what they have detected. This provided the depth is at the reach of the coil.
LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

Sorry, but these are my thoughts.
You don't need to be sorry for your thoughts.
We know you are among those who need the psychological backup to take a VLF metal detector.
Do you suppose some people think it is the only detector that really finds treasure for you?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Jplayer,

You seem to suffer from the same autism that blokes as SWR does when keeping insisting in wrong and obscure points even after the answer was provided.

At the time of the post in which that picture belongs, I had already comented on the reason I had the excalibut aboard. This minelab is an underwater machine.
My PDC could and cannot 'swim'. The FG either.

In clear words, as you seem to have some difficulty in interpreting things...
I could not and still cannot take Mineoro LRLs underwater as they are not waterproof.
Even for big targets, you still need an underwater detector to pinpoint as the gold might be hidden under layers of sand or sediments.
I already thought about using a special high pressure acrylic enclosure made to house digital cameras for underwater work, but I feel this will interfere in the detector's reliability.
I am thinking in a way to end this limitation tough.

Hope this is crystal clear now. Please, save this answer in your PC for future reference. Thanks.

[hung]

@ hung
Thank you very much for still posting here and defending the Mineoro devices and ignoring all those bad jokes and stupid stuff because you and some other really try to prove those devices are really working.

Thank you also for your true Jeonhunter statement!

Compared to alot other deep search P.I. stuff (for those you need 1m large coils if you want to find real deep stuff) it can find coins with the standard coil, has disc and also audio/visual cavity-mineral detection.


But what the most people here are critizin' is the unreliability of the Mineoro detectors in the north hemisphere and under certain weather conditions.

Your "damned" usual MDs can be switched on and 95 out of 100 times they do their job as they should - no matter what if it's day or night, sunny or rainy outside.

btw. the meteorology is a really complex topic.


In the german book "Magnetism" I read the following:

There is a second, weaker magnetic field created by the ionosphere and it's most powerful around the equator.

There are also ionic storms from the ionosphere (100-160km above the ground), sometimes created by energetic sunwinds. There also is the Van-Allen-Magnetosphere-Belt.

btw. magnetism is caused by the electrons spin, an electron is the smallest magnetic particle. And for shure this has something to do with LRL, electrostatic and metal detection, because usual MDs are using magnetical coils.


Funfinder,
I already stated it in the past, but will do it again.

I am not here defending specifically Mineoro.
I don't earn anything from Mineoro.
I am here standing for the truth and defending the truth to be known.
I have the same point regarding the Rangertell and OKM Bionic 01 for instance, as I know they work because I already have proof they work.

In Mineoro's LRLs specific case, I use them for a litlle more than 5 years now and I know they work, so does gaucho, Esteban, and many others I know but do not post in this forum.

I am aware that apparently some members in this forum own Mineoros also but have not had success with it.
But I am also aware that Mineoro's site features treasure hunters and reports by users outside S.America, from several parts of the world showing treasure found. I remember emailing some of them at the time prior to get my first Mineoro and receiving positive feedback and also the confirmation of the findings.
One member here, Michael, also emailed one of these people and also received positive feedback.

So don't fool yourself as I will not waste my precious time for a single moment debating here whether I think they work or not.
I KNOW they work. Period.

The reason on why the few people in this forum, still had no success with the devices is up to them investigating.
I don't know on what basis they go out for hunting, how they do it, where they are hunting, etc.. It's very hard for me to emit a diagnostic with so many variables missing.

I think it was Esteban who said that he never found anything with a standard metal detector.
I also know a guy who has never found anything either.
Does he go out much? No. Does he look in the right places? Don't know.
What I want to point here is that just because some folks in this forum posted no success yet, does not mean there are no others at this moment in some part of the world having success and who might also not feel like joining forums to tell about their endeavours.

This thread was started by me at gaucho's own request to show members his experience with the detector. gaucho an experienced treasure hunter who has found and recovered several targets in the past just wanted to share a video in which he is using a FG90.
From the images I saw, I can say say that the device located something, but as rain is an obstacle now, we will have to wait.

Funfinder, about your scientific topics above, I just would like to say that there are many current science paradigms that are WRONG.
There is no interest whatosoever, at least for now, for the Academia to apply revision to some standards, when and if they get to finally find it's wrong. A major revolution in history would occur, resulting in a huge mess, economically and also socially.
In your text above there are major mistakes. It's not your fault as you grew used to accept certain aspects as true. But they are not.
It's up to you to believe it or not. I don't care.

However - making it more interresting by "fun & action" again, hung please go to north america or europe and try out how good the Mineoro works there and upload nice videos from this. If Carl Moreland still offers his price for detection you could make good money if you are shure it would work in da States, too. But because of the different magnetic and electrostatic situation perhaps it really only works in southern america or south of the equator. It's possible.
I started to get this suspicion when a Mineoro user I know started to report to me the unusual behavior his FG80 presented in the region he lives closer to the Equator, but still in Brazilian territory.

He has always reported that a high course in the pot was required to calibrate the detector. Usually it is around 170 to 250 but he was getting as high as 750 to 800.
Then he told that only at night he could detect gold targets making his machine work ok.
In my region for instance, I can not get good results at night.
Then one day he claimed that he was detecting IRON at amazing distances and even joked he would start a new business opening a junk parts shop. Mineoro was informed about it and he had Alonso talking to him on the phone. The device was sent back to factory and Alonso found a problem in the ionic chamber. It was not discriminating ferrous objects as it is supposed to. Machine returned to him and at the begining, he seemed to confirm it was working ok but with the usual 'high' numbers in calibration required. Then after a few days, he emailed me and said he was still getting iron objects also but at a lower rate.
The last thing I have heard is that Alonso is thinking about traveling to his place to check what is going on...
So this also could happen in Countries above the Equator? Yes.
What is going on? I don't know as I have never used a Mineoro outside Brazil. I have some theories but need to get more data for a final word.

Let's assume the Mineoro detects a long time ago golden coin of 1 inch / 2.5cm in 1.5 feet / 50cm depth from a distance!!

What usual detector with the best price-worthyness-relation (evtl. what special coil if needed) would be the best for pinpointing this coin, has a chance to find it?!Mineoro features the center&deep accessory exactly for this.
I know many people don't use them either because they don't know ho to do it or they as just too lazy to do it.
Fact is that my now deceased friend Celi, did wonders with this tool.
Still in the PDC era he used the C&D to play a role that probably not even Damasio knew it could be done. Besides the regular role for depth determination, he used to have another person in front of him holding it pointing to the ground while Celi held the PDC back as he walked. He always could pinpoint real small objects with this technique.

[gibon]

Hmmmm.... If you can't understand the meaning of random beeps, I guess you are wise not to try to explain the concept of inconsistency to others, as you say.

Of course you are exagerating. In fact I am wondering if you are telling outright lies. If the conventional VLF and PI detectors are simply a "sophisticated box" and "fancy craps", then we can presume you would not recommend them, much less use them. However, you do use them. You are only saying these things to try to convince others they shouldn't use them. Suppose people found out you really do think they are useful, and use them yourself? Would they stop believing your stories? Already I have heard you tell stories that can't possibly be true in this forum, and now you are telling people conventional metal detectors are obsolete.

Who are they obsolete for? Certainly not you. You use one to find treasure when you want people to think your Mineoro machines found the treasure. Was WM6 right? Are there peple in Brazil trying to scam the rest of the world into believing their LRLs work?
Or did you throw out your conventional detectors years ago, seeing as how they are obsolete?


What?
Mineoro is also manufacturing "obsolete" conventional metal detectors? :eek:
So they are not obsolete for Mineoro or for you. You only want others to believe they are obsolete. :oh:

Now why would that be?
Could this be the next adventure into hung-science?
The only reason that comes to mind is the conventional metal detectors recover over 1000 times more treasure than LRLs have recovered, whether by accident or design. I can look at the published finds every week and there is no comparison. Gold, silver jewelry, caches, coins, relics... the treasure hunting forums are full of these finds from conventional detectors. I see hundreds of treasure finds every week, but only once in a very long while do we hear about a treasure found from someone using an LRL. And we also have a large majority of LRL purchaseres who complain they don't work.

I suppose there could be some logic to try to convince people the conventional detectors are obsolete in order to promote a concept they are sure doesn't work. But maybe it is hard for them to believe you when you secretly use these conventional metal detectors on hunts where you claim the LRLs located the treasure. Of course it is a free forum, so you are free to post about how metal detectors are obsolete, Just as others are free to believe you use obsolete metal detectors to find buried metal.




You don't need to be sorry for your thoughts.
We know you are among those who need the psychological backup to take a VLF metal detector.
Do you suppose some people think it is the only detector that really finds treasure for you?

Best wishes,
J_P


HELLO MR HUNG,

IS IT YOU ON THE PHOTO ?

YOU LOOKS YOUNG !!!

ALL THE BEST

GIBON

[J_Player]

Jplayer,

You seem to suffer from the same autism that blokes as SWR does when keeping insisting in wrong and obscure points even after the answer was provided.

At the time of the post in which that picture belongs, I had already comented on the reason I had the excalibut aboard. This minelab is an underwater machine.
My PDC could and cannot 'swim'. The FG either.

In clear words, as you seem to have some difficulty in interpreting things...
I could not and still cannot take Mineoro LRLs underwater as they are not waterproof.
Even for big targets, you still need an underwater detector to pinpoint as the gold might be hidden under layers of sand or sediments.
I already thought about using a special high pressure acrylic enclosure made to house digital cameras for underwater work, but I feel this will interfere in the detector's reliability.
I am thinking in a way to end this limitation tough.

Hope this is crystal clear now. Please, save this answer in your PC for future reference. Thanks.
It is becoming clearer. It appears you were not able to read my original post correctly. I never said anything about intermittant anything. What I said is these conventional metal detectors "are successful at locating a buried iron box without making random beeps". This is a fact. Apparently you confused this to mean I was saying LRLs work intermittently, or need to make more beeps than they do. If you re-read my post, that is not what I said.
But we can forget about your difficulty in understanding English, as it is not your native language.

Your real point was that you wanted to make comments to say the conventional metal detectors I mentioned are obsolete technology.
And you proceeded to illustrate this by depicting them as 100 year old technology with "fancy looking and parlor shop effects", "sophisticated box" and "fancy craps".
You also said LRLs do not require conventional metal detectors:LRLs do not require these at all.
...this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

The fact is conventional metal detectors are not obsolete.
Obsolete equipment is equipment that that is replaced by a newer methods that causes people to abandon the obsolete equipment. For example, horse-drawn carts became obsolete when automobiles and trucks began to replace them as a transportation vehicle of choice. Yet for metal detecting, we see there are more conventional detectors being used each year. Their usage is steadily growing!
How is this possible for obsolete equipment?
If they are obsolete, then why are LRL enthusiasts using them?
How is it these "obsolete detectors" are used by LRL users and other treasure hunters as well?

The fact is conventional metal detectors are successful at recovering more treasures than LRLs are successful at recovering. There is no comparison when looking at the difference in the recovery between the two methods.
At this time I offer a challenge to you or anyone else who believes their LRL can recover more treasures. I am prepared to hold a contest at the local Southern California beaches to see how any LRL compares to a conventional metal detector for finding metal items that are lost in the sand. The ratio of beach recoveries I have seen reported online makes me think a conventional metal detector can recover more than 5000 times as much valuable items from a beach as an LRL. But I am only guessing based on what I read.

Here is my challenge:
We go to any beach in Southern California and begin hunting for treasure.
The test will last exactly four hours, where the metal detector user and the LRL user hunt the beach for treasures that can range from coins to jewelry, or any other buried item.
At the end of four hours, the hunters return to the parking lot and show what they found.
Whoever finds the most items will be declared the winner of most items found in four hours.
Whoever finds items whose total value is the highest will be declared the winner of most valuable recoveries in four hours.

Of course, the details will be worked out so the contestants will be permitted to pick from several beaches to find one that is suitable to both contestants.

This is a contest style challenge that I really don't know how the outcome will be because I never tried it before. But I am guessing the "obsolete conventional metal detector" will outperform the LRL in most items found, and in most valuable recoveries every time.

I expect to hear a lot of arguments of how this is not a fair test for reasons A, B, C, D.... Z.
And I know it is not likely you will travel to California just to show that your Mineoro detector can find more treasure at a beach than "obsolete metal detectors".
But I don't care.
My only reason for offering this challenge is to prove to the whole world that conventional metal detectors are not obsolete as you say they are.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

I am here standing for the truth and defending the truth to be known.
I have the same point regarding the Rangertell and OKM Bionic 01 for instance, as I know they work because I already have proof they work.

When trying to defend the erratic behavior of the Mineoro LRLs, and their inability to detect anything except the buyer's wallet, you might have more credibility if you stopped insisting that the Rangertell dowsing contraption is a real working device. :D

[Morgan]

When trying to defend the erratic behavior of the Mineoro LRLs, and their inability to detect anything except the buyer's wallet, you might have more credibility if you stopped insisting that the Rangertell dowsing contraption is a real working device. :D


Hi

The MINEORO can work as LRL only for big amount of gold,for small objects detection is allways inconclusive,that´s my conclusion after search in many places with my DC 2008 and after eard many stories of people who use mineoro devices...
Anyway if one day i find some treasure with MINEORO teknology,i will tell here.

Regards

[Morgan]

When trying to defend the erratic behavior of the Mineoro LRLs, and their inability to detect anything except the buyer's wallet, you might have more credibility if you stopped insisting that the Rangertell dowsing contraption is a real working device. :D


When i was in MINEORO factory and try LRL in DAMASIO´s field test,i get clear and matematic signals 3 m distance in the marks,and he told come from small gold object. OF COURSE NOT,this good and directional signals hapens when MINEORO is detecting electrical power lines or coils ;), its only for MARKETING and for impession of a possible client ...

[J_Player]

Well, I guess I proved it.
Not a single pm arrived from LRL enthusiasts who want to show their LRL finding more treasure than a conventional metal detector at the beach. :rolleyes:
Conventional metal detectors are not obsolete. They are used by LRL enthusiasts and other treasure hunters in increasing numbers all over the world.
We have been listening to more hung-science drooling from the mouth.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

@ hung
Hi again and interresting answer.

You or we all should finally bring some light in the whole Mineoro and LRL confusion.

OK, it's very fair describing the special "iron effect" that treausure-hunter near the equator had and I did read about it already, too.

But we also have Morgan here which is a trustworthy person and if he tells us the Mineoro only finds large quantities of gold it points us again to the topic I already spoke about:

The Mineoro needs to be more reliable concerning "functioning as it should".

And thats why I can fully understand J_Player if he get's angry if there are statements like "usual MDs are obsolete".

Even if his contest at the beach is a purely waste of time and "negative-motivation" because the Mineoro for shure has not the "fine-resolution" in finding valuable stuff on a trash contaminated beach.

The Mineoro may be really effective in some woods or flat grassland where usually no metal is at all - if there is a distant large treasure "on its own" and the geophysicalical, thermal and meteorological conditions are ok for the Mineoro.

btw. my opinion:
If the "electro-physicalical" innerds of the Mineoro are scientifically well known (= electronical parts) I doubt there is any "big mystery phenomena" what causes to make that electronic react as it was defined before!


And if you have information in what other countries around the world you have got positive feedback that the Mineoro works please tell it so we may found the reason why it somewhere works and somewhere not.

I guess it also has alot to do with the altitude and the electrostatic field per meter conditions inclusive the strenght of the magnetic field of the earth-poles that can vary extremly.

Perhaps also the "detection circuit" is too simple. If it only recognises some threshold value it may not enough for worldwide conditons - especially if different events can trigger this level.



@ all

Even if the new center & deep location electronic will pinpoint that buried coin I talked about SOMEONE HERE PLEASE tell me neverthless what kind of USUAL MD will find a golden coin of 1 inch / 2.5cm in 1.5 feet / 50cm depth !!!

So far I did found the Blisstool LTC 48 from Bulgaria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_XodMLVpE

that costs only around 500 Euro (meanwhile they have the new LTC64 that is even better) - this MD will find a 18.5mm coin at one foot / 35cm for a very good price.

So If you are knowledged in MDs at least you should know what other MD will find the coin i mentioned above at 50cm! If not you here, who else???


And I'm shure someone needs an additional usual MD for the pinpointing work, and also Morgan told this. btw. not all Mineoro's or Bionic 01s have this center&deep.

Good luck and hopefully the rain will stop soon in brazil! :cool:

[J_Player]

You or we all should finally bring some light in the whole Mineoro and LRL confusion.

OK, it's very fair describing the special "iron effect" that treausure-hunter near the equator had and I did read about it already, too.

But we also have Morgan here which is a trustworthy person and if he tells us the Mineoro only finds large quantities of gold it points us again to the topic I already spoke about:Sure Morgan tells the truth about the LRLs he tests. If you read above, you will find Morgan said he was shown a fake demonstration at the Mineoro factory. They showed him three mathematically clear signals at marks to 3 m distance. He was told the beeps came from a small gold object, when he knows the Mineoro LRLs only make these kind of detection sounds from detecting electrical power lines or coils. Morgan tells us this scam is only used for marketing purposes to impress a possible client. OF COURSE NOT,this good and directional signals hapens when MINEORO is detecting electrical power lines or coils ;), its only for MARKETING and for impession of a possible client ...
And you think the reason Mineoro does not work as advertised when using it away from the factory is because they are only calibrated for factory conditions?
Sure they are calibrated for factory conditions... Factory conditions where a hidden coil or power line causes beeps!

[hung]

When i was in MINEORO factory and try LRL in DAMASIO´s field test,i get clear and matematic signals 3 m distance in the marks,and he told come from small gold object. OF COURSE NOT,this good and directional signals hapens when MINEORO is detecting electrical power lines or coils ;), its only for MARKETING and for impession of a possible client ...

It's trully amazing how human beings can become capable of fabricating the most allucinated stories just for the sake of backing up their own wildest purposes.
What is in the quote above is so absurd that does not deserve a single line of coment about it.

[hung]

@
]You or we all should finally bring some light in the whole Mineoro and LRL confusion.There is no confusion.

The Mineoro needs to be more reliable concerning "functioning as it should".It is reliable. Of course, the more the better. What is not realiable is the emanation behavior. Problem is that the layman always tends to compare the device's behavior with that of a metal detector.
The mineoros (FG80,90, etc) were built to detect long time buried gold emanations. They detect the presence and variations of this specific field emanation from extreme long distances, range depending if conditions of wheather and local variables are favourable.
I have target sites here in my area that depending on wheather, time of year and time of day, I can pick them from 1.5 miles to lower than half of that and even do not pick it at all with the standard calibration, requiring more gain in the knob. It all depends as I said, on the 'humour' of it and weather conditions.

Again, the phenomenon is the one who has variable behavior, not the detector. Users must know how they behave, the best time to go out and of course, provided there's gold where they search. One biggest mistake these peopel make is overcalibrating the device causing false beepings if they get silence after searching for some time and get no target. Knowing the best calibration in different situations is the key to make a fine work in the field.
Are they perfect devices? Of course not. There is no perfect device in the world.
Can they be enhanced? Sure. I already have told Alonso that I think they need a processor to manage operations inside. It would do wonders. But nevertheless, the device is fully operational in its present condition and perfectly takes you where the gold is located as gaucho1961's video perfectly shows.
I do have complaints about Mineoro prices, support, etc.. But one great thing about them is that Alonso and team are always lauching upgrades for the devices. They do not launch a model in the market as other manufacturers and only years later make the first upgrade. At Mineoro, FGs have already dozens of upgrades.
Gaucho's model for instance is an early revision, mine is later than his.

Bottom line is, there's a lot of Mineoro users here in Brazil in mining areas. I have already told in the past that I asked some of them to come to forums to discuss their experiences. Besides the fact of many lacking full understanding of english language, they simply don't feel like it as they are too busy in the field always. I understand that. People who are serious treasure hunters or miners, in general will not waste their time arguing in forums when they have work to do with their tools.
I am not a full time professional miner or thunther, but I tell you, after some documents and a list of several jesuit treasure locations Gaucho showed me yesterday, boy, it is tempting...:D Guess I will be busier than I have ever expected in the next years.




Good luck and hopefully the rain will stop soon in brazil! :cool:Assure yourself it will. Next week is the one week.

[gibon]

This video is a step into the right direction - but we need alot more of these.

Is this a metal plate directly under the handle for shielding?

Is there a knob for adjusting the beeping volume?

btw. this random beeping really is irritating.
A raise in the tone-frequency would be better or a visual instrument like a VU-Meter.

What means this "walk from north to south"?

That the magnetic particles "flying" from south to north and get weakened or distracted by the long time ago buried object, creating some wind-shadow similar effect that you can detect? In other words some kind of "hole or distortion in the magnetic field"?

Perhaps this also distorts the electrostatic field, but I doubt that there are flying any ions through the air.

by the way there exists some (new?) Mineoro demonstration video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMsEVkXxQy4

and this "deep & center" or whats the exact name thing is really interresting.


Anyway:
More videos please, not only from treasure places, but also from authentic test sessions.



Hello funfinder,

so you have asked some new video about Mineoro device. Here it is . it is an really contreversial device and it is just a small test I've done today for you.

For me and others it doesn't proof anything but it is just to show you something . When you are on the ground it is absolutly different. It is like when you go testing an MD at dealer shop. They always testing theire new Md in the air saying that the device is able to find something at 30 cm by exemple or more but when you are on the ground it is absolutly different.

I've post an other video of an LRL I've got and as you can see THIS one is really targeting the gold ring and the small nugget.

Other thing I'm member of this forum since 2 years now and after 2 years you know who is who and I'm confident about Morgan and what he has said concerning the Mineoro test in the factory.

Hope it can help.

Happy prospecting and good luck in your TH


GIBON

www.dailymotion.com/gibonne06/1

[Qiaozhi]

Hello funfinder,

so you have asked some new video about Mineoro device. Here it is . it is an really contreversial device and it is just a small test I've done today for you.

For me and others it doesn't proof anything but it is just to show you something .
On the contrary ... it clearly demonstrates that the device is incapable of detecting the gold ring, even from a few centimeters.

I've post an other video of an LRL I've got and as you can see THIS one is really targeting the gold ring and the small nugget.
The other LRL you showed is just a simple dowsing rod, and the supposed "detection" is a trick of the mind. Maybe you believe it works, maybe not, but you should try a double-blind test before you waste any time with it.

Other thing I'm member of this forum since 2 years now and after 2 years you know who is who and I'm confident about Morgan and what he has said concerning the Mineoro test in the factory.
I agree.

[hung]

Hello funfinder,

so you have asked some new video about Mineoro device. Here it is . it is an really contreversial device and it is just a small test I've done today for you.

For me and others it doesn't proof anything but it is just to show you something . When you are on the ground it is absolutly different. It is like when you go testing an MD at dealer shop. They always testing theire new Md in the air saying that the device is able to find something at 30 cm by exemple or more but when you are on the ground it is absolutly different.

I've post an other video of an LRL I've got and as you can see THIS one is really targeting the gold ring and the small nugget.

Other thing I'm member of this forum since 2 years now and after 2 years you know who is who and I'm confident about Morgan and what he has said concerning the Mineoro test in the factory.

Hope it can help.

Happy prospecting and good luck in your TH


GIBON

www.dailymotion.com/gibonne06/1 (http://www.dailymotion.com/gibonne06/1)

Nice rod.
Use it in the field to locate extreme distant targets and the mineoro for confirmation and pinpointing.

[Qiaozhi]

Nice rod.
Use it in the field to locate extreme distant targets and the mineoro for confirmation and pinpointing.
Very funny! :lol:

[takhslambos]

hi gibon were you from?did you found any caint of metal with mineoro dc2008?and what distance?what is this plastic tape in a front of mineoro?

[gibon]

hi gibon were you from?did you found any caint of metal with mineoro dc2008?and what distance?what is this plastic tape in a front of mineoro?

Hello takhslambos,

I 've been able to locate water pipe in coper at long range with Mineoro. those pipe are used by farmer in the contryside. The plastic have been fixed because the sound is too loud with the device and there is no knob to adjust.

Hello quiozi always the same answear as usual "ideometor". I've made an other video with too ring one in gold and one in silver. STRANGE Ideomotor is making difference between them ??????? :shocked:

Happy prospecting

Gibon

[hung]

Very funny! :lol:

This is funnier:

The other LRL you showed is just a simple dowsing rod, and the supposed "detection" is a trick of the mind.:lol::lol::lol:

But the all time winner is 'Ozzy on MTV', specially when you're wearing your 1852's witch hunter uniform.:super:

[hung]

I've made an other video with too ring one in gold and one in silver. STRANGE Ideomotor is making difference between them ??????? :shocked:


Gibon
Gibon, it's no ideomotor effect. Don't expect any serious answer from skeptics in the geoskepthic forum... Just enjoy the party they provide. :cool:
Regards.

[takhslambos]

Hello takhslambos,

I 've been able to locate water pipe in coper at long range with Mineoro. those pipe are used by farmer in the contryside. The plastic have been fixed because the sound is too loud with the device and there is no knob to adjust.

Hello quiozi always the same answear as usual "ideometor". I've made an other video with too ring one in gold and one in silver. STRANGE Ideomotor is making difference between them ??????? :shocked:.from what distance you locate the cooper pipe?the signal was clear?you are from brazil?

Happy prospecting

Gibon.....from what distance you locate the cooper pipe?the signal was clear?you are from brazil?

[takhslambos]

gibons you are near to greece?

[Morgan]

It's trully amazing how human beings can become capable of fabricating the most allucinated stories just for the sake of backing up their own wildest purposes.
What is in the quote above is so absurd that does not deserve a single line of coment about it.


Not so fast... this is only what i think and what i saw there,and each time i make friction with my hand on the plastic mark over the target,the mineoro detect more distance,and my friend Mr. Damasio not like my atitude ,of course,and i stop.
This is only to make more interesting the field tests,but for the beach tests i never was invited,they said ionic fields to low...
As to me MINEORO is not a fraud but is not very accurate for small objects coin size,
Hung,sorry for my sincerity

Regards

[hung]

Not so fast... this is only what i think and what i saw there,and each time i make friction with my hand on the plastic mark over the target,the mineoro detect more distance,and my friend Mr. Damasio not like my atitude ,of course,and i stop.
This is only to make more interesting the field tests,but for the beach tests i never was invited,they said ionic fields to low...
As to me MINEORO is not a fraud but is not very accurate for small objects coin size,
Hung,sorry for my sincerity

Regards

I do really praise your sincerity. What I do not praise is your inference there was some kind of trick or dishonesty from Mineoro's or Damasio's part. This is just unacceptable. Damasio may have been the tough man you and I know, but NEVER dishonest.

First of all, I was their customer just like you were. And also I have been there just like you've been. So everything you tell here about your experiences there, are about the same as mine.

Second, there is no trick at all. This is bull**** and I hope you remove this stupid accusation.

The plastic marks, actually pvc marks are carefully placed in the exact locations gold objects are hidden for testing purposes.
You know very well if your visit there was as fruitful as mine that Mineoro's test target location in the past used to be a rodeo like party place where everyweekend people used to dance and party. Ladies used to wear all kind of jewels and they ended up loosing them.
Each PVC mark represents a target already identified by the detectors.
When you rub one mark with your hand you are transfering electrostatic charges and this obviously affects detection. Damasio was always reluctant to dig those targets because if he did this all the time, Mineoro's test target would end in short time. So he only dug targets in very few occasions such as when your spanish frend was there.
The gold target as you may know was about 5 feet deep.

When I was there in Nov 2005, the field emanations were terrible. I only could get a beep with the PDC if I placed it over one target from only 3 inches vertically. I could however get more distance if I placed myself so to position some PVCs in a strait line. This way, they summed the fields and turned the emanations stronger.
At that time they were launching the GDP538 and it had more sensitivity than the PDC as I saw P. Torquato getting beeps from about a meter instead of the PDC's 3 inches. Very bad ionic emanations. There had been raining for 10 days in a row and I could not postpone my trip as I had already purchase the tickets and had appoitments back home.
I stayed there for 4 days.

I did go to the beach with Damasio and Paulinho, but also did not dig any target. The weather was cloudy and the only relevant beeps worth of inspecting was a target 7 feet deep according to the center & deep and also measured with Damasio's rod. Impossible to do it then.

I remember getting a little frustrated when my visit was over, as I expected more. I got back from my trip not completely trusting the detector yet. This complete confidence however came about 1 year later when I traveled to the central region of Brazil and the PDC excelled in all possible scenarios. I detected and recovered gold in a daily basis. It was in this trip that I already told that famous case in which I could detect a surface small copper tube from about 60 m distance. After that trip, all my doubts about the PDC210 and Mineoro were over. From that point I started to develop new techiniques and gained a lot of experience with the detector and the phenomena.

You don't have to be sorry for nothing. I agree with you that their marketing was a little exagerated many times during the Damasio era and I also know how hard it is to detect small coin sized objects sometimes due to insuficient emanations but it still can be done. It all depends on your experience with it.

But please, do not even for a moment try to infere that they cheated on you or even that the Mineoro targets are planted tricks, this is just absurd and sick.
I am not deffending Mineoro here. I am defending truth and avoiding it to become corroded due to ignorance of real facts.

[Fred]

(....) I've made an other video with two ring one in gold and one in silver. STRANGE Ideomotor is making difference between them ??????? :shocked:
Happy prospecting
Gibon
Hi Gibon,
This is not strange at all, in fact this is the very basis of ideomotor effect : you know where is each ring , and your mind make the necessary selection or movements to achieve the expected results.

[gibon]

Hi Gibon,
This is not strange at all, in fact this is the very basis of ideomotor effect : you know where is each ring , and your mind make the necessary selection or movements to achieve the expected results.

Hello fred,

you know i'm not David copperfield i'm not going to hide the two ring like bonto game. This is not subject here on the forum.

You can go to circus to see such kind of show.

You will always opposite some non sens argument.

I'm just here to help and give assistance to member's who have question and really want to KNOW.

Yes fred the earth is a round sphere and no plate like poeple was thinking in 1600 century. :D

Happy prospecting

[Qiaozhi]

Yes fred the earth is a round sphere and no plate like poeple was thinking in 1600 century. :D
And dowsing has been proved conclusively to be the result of the ideomotor effect, and a trick of the mind. If you continue to believe in dowsing, you are only fooling yourself.

[Qiaozhi]

This is funnier:

:lol::lol::lol:

But the all time winner is 'Ozzy on MTV', specially when you're wearing your 1852's witch hunter uniform.:super:
Actually, I was referring to your comment where you told gibon he had a nice rod. :eek:

I bet you say that to all the boys! :lol:

[detectoman]

hung; i agregee, morgan is an expert for find little valued objectives , i know morgan always test many distinct lrls how obsesivei in these field morgan not lie
\in hand; today sunday i came prospect an city old terrain near telephone lines and line electrical, then may vlf two box detect these 8 lineal mts far, i first confuse, after i see hacia arriba, may two'b, and may friend no detect these lines whit fisher explorer two box, then i put may t.b to rest in an tree

[WM6]

But please, do not even for a moment try to infere that they cheated on you or even that the Mineoro targets are planted tricks, this is just absurd and sick.
I am not deffending Mineoro here. I am defending truth .....



... and truth is that mineoro company is nothing else but niche crime company and supporters and promoters of such fraudulent companies, like you, are not far away from crime.

[Jim]

... and truth is that mineoro company is nothing else but niche crime company and supporters and promoters of such fraudulent companies, like you, are not far away from crime.

Niche crime company. I have to agree with that assessment

[J_Player]

I did go to the beach with Damasio and Paulinho, but also did not dig any target. The weather was cloudy and the only relevant beeps worth of inspecting was a target 7 feet deep according to the center & deep and also measured with Damasio's rod. Impossible to do it then.I also went to a beach using a White's Surf PI Pro conventional PI detector several years ago. It was cloudy that day, but I didn't bother to check the strength of field emanations, as I know White's never makes excuses of "bad time for magnetic field detecting". As I went across the beach, I was finding mostly trash items, but I dug them all just in case I might miss something valuable that made a sound like trash. After a half hour the sky became darker and the wind was blowing maybe 8 knots. I continued hunting the beach, but before an hour passed, it began raining. Luckily, the White's PI Pro is waterproof, so I continued hunting. It only rained for about 20 minutes, but the sand remained wet while I continued hunting. About 2 hours later I had a handful of fishing weights, another handful of coins worth maybe $2, a pocket knife, some small metal toys, a bag of trash like bottle caps and foil wrappers, and two rings which appear to be ladies rings. They didn't look too valuable - one was a thin silver ring that I first thought was a steel snap-ring until I looked close and saw it had worn facets on the outer rim and a sterling stamp. The other was 12k gold with 3 small stones, and 3 colors of gold in the bands. Not too valuable, but kinda cool for something to bring home after a couple hours.

I could have used my VLF detector to avoid most of the trash, but it doesn't do as well as the PI when I search in saltwater.
In any case, I observed this White's detector was able to perform in conditions that the Mineoro detectors could not.
I am guessing that if I were at the same beach as you and Damasio at that same time, I probably would have found a similar kind of detection, depending on what items people dropped there.

I still have that White's Surf PI Pro today, even though it has been replaced with an updated model at the factory.
Somehow, I still don't consider it obsolete, seeing as how it can do things many other detectors can't, including things that no LRL can do.

Anyway, it's nice to know you later became happy with your mineoro LRL.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Hello fred,

you know i'm not David copperfield i'm not going to hide the two ring like bonto game. This is not subject here on the forum.

You can go to circus to see such kind of show.

You will always opposite some non sens argument.

I'm just here to help and give assistance to member's who have question and really want to KNOW.

Yes fred the earth is a round sphere and no plate like poeple was thinking in 1600 century. :D

Happy prospecting
Hi gibon,
I don´t understand you reaction, i never talked about hiding something or whatever.
I just said ideomotor effect is based on the fact that you KNOW where the silver ring is, so your subconscious WILL make the lrod (or whatever) point to the golden ring direction.That´s all what i was saying, so you don´t need to find strange the fact you can "discriminate" rings.

If you find the system to work with you, fine, but don´t fool yourself about the principle of "detection"...
And by the way, in 16th century they already believed in L-rods, so no big evolution here :D

[hung]

Hello fred,

you know i'm not David copperfield i'm not going to hide the two ring like bonto game. This is not subject here on the forum.

You can go to circus to see such kind of show.

You will always opposite some non sens argument.

I'm just here to help and give assistance to member's who have question and really want to KNOW.

Yes fred the earth is a round sphere and no plate like poeple was thinking in 1600 century. :D

Happy prospecting

:thumb:

[J_Player]

I think Morgan is sincere when he makes his posts about his experience with LRLs. I have never seen Morgan make a false post in the Geotech forums. When i was in MINEORO factory and try LRL in DAMASIO´s field test,i get clear and matematic signals 3 m distance in the marks,and he told come from small gold object. OF COURSE NOT,this good and directional signals hapens when MINEORO is detecting electrical power lines or coils ;), its only for MARKETING and for impession of a possible client ...I read a lot of posts from Mineoro buyers who say they were fooled by people at the Mineoro factory, and others who found their Mineoro detectors don't work when they take them away from the demonstration area.
One that I recall is connie, who visited the Mineoro factory and was given a demonstration before buying her DC2008 LRL.
Connie's words from http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86 : ...the reason why I'm so interrested to see them is because I bought a DC2008 from mineoro. ( I really had a brain wash from Brazil )...Connie tried to get help from other forum members to make her DC2008 work, but after awhile we never heard from her again.
Has anyone heard from connie to see if she was able to get her Mineoro LRL to work?

Best wishes,
J_P

[gibon]

Hi gibon,
I don´t understand you reaction, i never talked about hiding something or whatever.
I just said ideomotor effect is based on the fact that you KNOW where the silver ring is, so your subconscious WILL make the lrod (or whatever) point to the golden ring direction.That´s all what i was saying, so you don´t need to find strange the fact you can "discriminate" rings.

If you find the system to work with you, fine, but don´t fool yourself about the principle of "detection"...
And by the way, in 16th century they already believed in L-rods, so no big evolution here :D



Hello again fred,

my english is poor so may be you have not understand our you don't understand english.

Where did you see I was talking or using DOWSING ???????

you don't want to hear as usual like some other skeptic member here on the forum.

I've got nothing to do with dowsing and i've got no particualr skyll with it.

It is just a generator using two frequencies one for gold one for sylver.

i shall show you on my next video when you change frequencie it goes direct to the target.

With no offense fred you have misse understood again. here is the remote sensing forum dowsing forum is somewhere else.

Try to open your mind and don't be blind.

Happy prospecting

Gibon

[Funfinder]

@ all

this is so childish here!

just because the mineoro doesn't work always not all happy users of this device are liars, betrayers or gettin money for promotion etc.

What really is needed is a neutral test area (best in big hall) that always works and where you can visually see the buried lta object under glass or whatever.

btw. why the hell should somebody really knows about LRL if he even can't tell me what MD finds a coin at 50cm? Or is this just pure ignorance?!?

I asked now somebody else if here noone is able answering me such a simple question! :angry:

We should be glad for the new test videos even if they are not the best "evidence" - especially not the dowsing rod device.

For a true test it has to be put on a steady table and the golden ring has to be moved - I'm curious if it still swings out...

And for shure it's not the fairest way of advertising from Mineoro suggesting their devices work very well if there are half of the time alot of problems. For such a high price you have to get the truth, the WHOLE truth!

Not: "No guarantees in the western world" but a detailed explanation under which circumstances the Mineoro works or does not work. Until this is not perfectly clear I and everyone else would be stupid buying such a device for thousands of dollar or whatever!

Shure, perhaps Alonso and Damiano are/was really innocent because they always do/did their best and on their serious tests field (btw. I also cannot imagine they fool their customers there!) everything worked fine! So they though everything's OK. But at least if there are alot of complains from other countries that the Mineoro doesn't work there, they have to put a warning on their website or search for the reasons and find a solution, if possible.

btw. one problem in this world really is:

This world wants to be cheated and the honest one always is the stupid one! :angry:

That's why women use makeup and why alot MD producers let shine their products better as they're really are!

And if someone like Morgan wants to be honest and tells the truth or his fundamented opinion directly he's the bad one!:angry:


Yes, this our beautiful world and the situation we live in...

Have Fun.


@ gibon
thanks for the video and if possible shoot more of them.

[Qiaozhi]

Hello again fred,

my english is poor so may be you have not understand our you don't understand english.

Where did you see I was talking or using DOWSING ???????

you don't want to hear as usual like some other skeptic member here on the forum.

I've got nothing to do with dowsing and i've got no particualr skyll with it.

It is just a generator using two frequencies one for gold one for sylver.

i shall show you on my next video when you change frequencie it goes direct to the target.

With no offense fred you have misse understood again. here is the remote sensing forum dowsing forum is somewhere else.

Try to open your mind and don't be blind.

Happy prospecting

Gibon
Hi Gibon,

In your video the device is clearly based on a swinging rod. Therefore, it is obviously "working" via the ideomotor effect, and must be placed in the dowsing category, in the same way as the RangerTell Examiner.
If you believe otherwise you are just deceiving yourself.

[Fred]

Hello again fred,
my english is poor so may be you have not understand our you don't understand english.
Where did you see I was talking or using DOWSING ???????
you don't want to hear as usual like some other skeptic member here on the forum.
I've got nothing to do with dowsing and i've got no particualr skyll with it.
It is just a generator using two frequencies one for gold one for sylver.
i shall show you on my next video when you change frequencie it goes direct to the target.
With no offense fred you have misse understood again. here is the remote sensing forum dowsing forum is somewhere else.
Try to open your mind and don't be blind.
Happy prospecting

Gibon
Hi Gibon,

This (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xegcfq_gold-test-with-lrl_creation) video refers to a DOWSING rod, this is WHERE i have seen you talking about dowsing.It is nothing else - with or without generator -
If you open you mind you will admit it.
Are you related to gaucho?

[WM6]

Try to open your mind and don't be blind.



You never know about that, because LRL-love is mind closing.

Open minded do not need crappy mineoro boxes to detect gold ring on table.

[hung]

just because the mineoro doesn't work always

This is incorrect.

The detector always work, as this is an electronic instrument.
Only the ionic fields may not manifest strong enough to be detectable at a larger distance during times of day or year, depending on the range and mass to be detected.

Factual example: Mr. Dos Santos arrived at a treasure site at around 8 AM. He had no signals yet. He had to wait (resting under a tree) till about 10AM when finally the ionic fields started to emanate with sufficient intensity to be detectable. He could figure then where the target was and recovered it.
But even this is questionable, as many aspects are unknown such as how he usually sets calibration, what would happen if he had set calibration in the edge, etc. No question the ionic fields emanate stronger during specific times of day, but it does not mean they will not be detectable if the range is close or the gain is pushed in the limits.

Latest models of Mineoro have overcome the humidity problem and as far as I know, Tyon, latest FDG80s and FG90 have no problem in detecting targets in humidities as high as 90%. I have already gone to treasure sites and confirmed this performance.

The only issue one unexperienced user might encounter is in the pinpointing stage. Detection at distance is easy. But the pinpointing stage requires plenty of experience in the knob calibration to deal with proximity of the field edge.

Even the regular toy MDs have a lot of limitations besides the ones already known.
I know of a huge treasure site in which about all MDs people took there along the time, got fried as they all had transistors burned. So, it's not 'alice in the wonderland' all the time.



Shure, perhaps Alonso and Damiano are/was really innocent because they always do/did their best and on their serious tests field (btw. I also cannot imagine they fool their customers there!) everything worked fine! So they though everything's OK. But at least if there are alot of complains from other countries that the Mineoro doesn't work there, they have to put a warning on their website or search for the reasons and find a solution, if possible.I did not say the Mineoros do not work in Europe or wherever outside South America. There are users from different regions of the world listed in Mineoro's site to have found treasure.
What is in discussion would be how effective they are compared to South America conditions.

[hung]

Hi Gibon,

This (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xegcfq_gold-test-with-lrl_creation) video refers to a DOWSING rod, this is WHERE i have seen you talking about dowsing.It is nothing else - with or without generator -
If you open you mind you will admit it.
Are you related to gaucho?

Wrong.
Amazing how ignorance still reigns here.

Go back to basics and try to learn what magnetic resonance stands for and also what ideomotor effect trully is.
Your understanding could not come alive after 1852.

As Gibbon already stated, the earth is not flat, it's round.
Did you listen??

[WM6]

This is incorrect.

The detector always work, as this is an electronic instrument.



Fully agree,

it (almost - except without battery) always work, it only cannot detect nothing. Never.

Because it cannot detect nothing, it can work in the same way even without battery.

[WM6]

Go back to basics and try to learn what magnetic resonance stands for and also what ideomotor effect trully is.
Your understanding could not come alive after 1852.

As Gibbon already stated, the earth is not flat, it's round.



Yes, unbelievable after such scientific proof:

[Funfinder]

Hung, I can fully agree with your arguments you answered to me.

The story about the waiting time for building up a stronger field and the burned through transistors is interresting.

Hung, did you ever heard about a field-mill? I guess for shure. It measures very exactly the electrostatic field strenght. There are really huge differences concerning weather, remaining humidity in the ground, sunwind, altitude, underground-condition and alot other factors.
Perhaps you should check out from what to what measured electrostatic voltage per meter the Mineoro works reliable / is within the adjustable sensitivity range.

btw. it's good to hear from positive find-reports from Europe or other countries. If here are almost no Mineoro owners with good test-reports this doesn't mean they don't exist. It was the same like with Jeohunter - one single person talked here about it before me. But 3 cynical criticians said it is crap etc. This is neither fair nor a serious information counterweight.


And if the improvements concerning humidity etc. are already that good the only thing what is missing is one or better alot different locations where everyone can test everytime that the Mineoro works.

As example some old abandoned gold-mine, because most of the time there are still some gold-veins left.

This is the problem with the Mineoro device if it detects gold or silver only!

Tell me, Hung, is it that complicated building a Mineoro with a knob where you can switch from iron to copper, aluminium, gold silver or whatever???

And as we know from Geo's mine-find, iron also is possible for LRL detection. Why does Mineoro limits the choice of the customers in finding every metal like every other MD also can find??? I don't get this. Wouldn't it be much much better if the Mineoro finds all metals?

I'm thinking about this because under such "all-metal" recognition circumstances there would be a much better possibility that everyone can see the detector really works!
'Cause there are much more long time ago iron objects in the ground than gold or silver stuff and they can be also very interresting!

[Qiaozhi]

The only issue one unexperienced user might encounter is in the pinpointing stage. Detection at distance is easy. But the pinpointing stage requires plenty of experience in the knob calibration to deal with proximity of the field edge.
Yep ... it's all in the knob calibration. ;)

I know of a huge treasure site in which about all MDs people took there along the time, got fried as they all had transistors burned. So, it's not 'alice in the wonderland' all the time.
Where do you get this nonsense from???
Perhaps the White Rabbit told you. :D

[Qiaozhi]

Perhaps you should check out from what to what measured electrostatic voltage per meter the Mineoro works reliable / is within the adjustable sensitivity range.
This would be a good question if the Mineoro FG90 actually worked as advertised. As you can readily see from the videos, there is a lot of erratic beeping, which mostly occurs when not even pointing at a clearly visible target. Have you ever actually seen one of Mineoro's devices, or held one in your hands? From personal experience I can tell you that it is unusable, and is not even able to detect the gold test sheet that comes with the device.

You do have to wonder why some people insist on promoting something, which is based on an outlandish theory that is unknown to conventional science. They must either have a vested interest, or have a self-deluded closed mind.

Try not to get sucked into this nonsense, unless of course you have plenty of spare time (and money) to waste.

[gibon]

Hi Gibon,

In your video the device is clearly based on a swinging rod. Therefore, it is obviously "working" via the ideomotor effect, and must be placed in the dowsing category, in the same way as the RangerTell Examiner.
If you believe otherwise you are just deceiving yourself.


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If you goes on the first page of Geotech forum here enclosed you shall see that most of LRL Device Used ROD .

Your so blind that You don't even know this statement as adminstrator of this site.

Look at LRL section see the project of Carl himself what do you see on the pictures two good copper rod .

Yes Sir.

Most of manufacturer are using this concept. Much more cheapper than a vidoe windscreen fixed to give direction.

So who is blind :razz:

[WM6]

... Wouldn't it be much much better if the Mineoro finds all metals?

I'm thinking about this because under such "all-metal" recognition circumstances there would be a much better possibility that everyone can see the detector really works!



What? You express doubt in mineoro correctneses? What a rude audacity.




So who is blind :razz:



No one, but you are blinded by L-rod.

[gibon]

What? You express doubt in mineoro correctneses? What a rude audacity.




No one, but you are blinded by L-rod.




So Carl is blind too :D

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[Fred]

Wrong.
Amazing how ignorance still reigns here.

Go back to basics and try to learn what magnetic resonance stands for and also what ideomotor effect trully is.
Your understanding could not come alive after 1852.

As Gibbon already stated, the earth is not flat, it's round.
Did you listen??

:lol: Glad your still here Hung.

[Qiaozhi]

http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=main.dat


If you goes on the first page of Geotech forum here enclosed you shall see that most of LRL Device Used ROD .

Your so blind that You don't even know this statement as adminstrator of this site.

Look at LRL section see the project of Carl himself what do you see on the pictures two good copper rod .

Yes Sir.

Most of manufacturer are using this concept. Much more cheapper than a vidoe windscreen fixed to give direction.

So who is blind :razz:
This is your most amusing post so far. :lol:

It appears that, like Hung, you are prepared to accept the most outlandish nonsense as fact without a shred of evidence. As you have just proved, it is important to do your research thoroughly ... which you have clearly not done.

Try reading Carl's LRL articles more carefully before commenting.

Here's a few extracts to get you going in the right direction. These are Carl's own words, posted on this very website for your perusal ... if you actually bother to read them, that is ->


This is the only place on the web where you can learn what the LRL manufacturers don't want you to know:
If you have a high level of investment in LRLs, either financially or psychologically, then learning the truth may be discomforting, perhaps even depressing.
For those who are not ready for this, I urge you to click the "Back" button, and bail out now. If you don't like what you read, blame the LRL manufacturers, who made LRLs the way they are.
It is my opinion, and is the opinion of almost anyone who has seriously investigated LRLs, that they do not work.
Buying a commercial unit and discovering that it only finds empty holes is a costly and embarrassing mistake.
I warn you not to get lulled into a false sense of success by using the typical sloppy testing of dowsing proponents, or to believe for a moment that you will ever find any treasure with one of these. You will not. As the psychic hotlines say: they are for entertainment purposes only.


I suggest you have a quiet word with your mate Hung. He will tell you which side of the LRL fence that Carl lives. :razz:

[WM6]

So Carl is blind too :D

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/projects/lrl1/fig6.jpg



No, as far I know. What you argue by those photos?

I am using this LRL pendulum regulary:

[hung]

Humm.. Picture posting fun again...
I see someone left the door open and the kids from kindengarten came in again...
Gotta call the janitor one more time.

Funfinder, if your have any relevant questions or matters you wish to discuss, please PM me. As you see, that's why this site and the 'enlighted skepthics' are subject of so much fun over TNET.

Regards.

[gibon]

This is your most amusing post so far. :lol:

It appears that, like Hung, you are prepared to accept the most outlandish nonsense as fact without a shred of evidence. As you have just proved, it is important to do your research thoroughly ... which you have clearly not done.

Try reading Carl's LRL articles more carefully before commenting.

Here's a few extracts to get you going in the right direction. These are Carl's own words, posted on this very website for your perusal ... if you actually bother to read them, that is ->


This is the only place on the web where you can learn what the LRL manufacturers don't want you to know:
If you have a high level of investment in LRLs, either financially or psychologically, then learning the truth may be discomforting, perhaps even depressing.
For those who are not ready for this, I urge you to click the "Back" button, and bail out now. If you don't like what you read, blame the LRL manufacturers, who made LRLs the way they are.
It is my opinion, and is the opinion of almost anyone who has seriously investigated LRLs, that they do not work.
Buying a commercial unit and discovering that it only finds empty holes is a costly and embarrassing mistake.
I warn you not to get lulled into a false sense of success by using the typical sloppy testing of dowsing proponents, or to believe for a moment that you will ever find any treasure with one of these. You will not. As the psychic hotlines say: they are for entertainment purposes only.

I suggest you have a quiet word with your mate Hung. He will tell you which side of the LRL fence that Carl lives. :razz:



What strange administrator you are,

You said I was doing Dowsing, I told you No I' was using LRL with a custom made device like many member here on the forum.

I've got no particular Skill for dowsing AND i don't want to and then I've shown you device classified by carl has electronic LRL .

That what I was telling you no more. Every body knows the opinion of carl about LRL devices no need to repeat.

But classification is like THAT what can i do it is under LRL even the famous RANGER and You said not.

Very strange attitude.

Sorry funfinder but how would you like I post other video with that kind of attitude.

When you try to do something here poeple are immediatly laughing about your face. ( See my video picture captured )

Other Point, I've got nothing to do with Mr Hung, he is in Brazzil I'm in Europe.

I'm not afficionados of LRL I did my own opinion by myself and with the help of some geotch members and i Know which one are working or not.

Happy prospecting


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Ranger-Tell Examiner

by Carl Moreland
Of all the LRL reports I've written, this has been the most difficult. Not because of the complexity of the device — the Examiner is actually very simplistic and easy to analyze — but because of the sheer amount of information available to wade through. The Ranger-Tell website (http://www.rangertell.com/) has far more content than any other LRL manufacturer web site and, besides being horribly arranged and presented in a visually painful way, the writing style is often incomprehensible. Add to that the significant presence of the manufacturer on Internet forums, and long-running eBay sales, and we have way more nonsense to deal with than the average LRL.

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Fig. 1: Ranger-Tell Examiner. The Ranger-Tell Examiner is a so-called long-range locator that supposedly can locate gold (specifically) and other targets of interest in general. The Examiner is one of a few models1 produced by "Ranger-Tell" in Australia, and often sold directly on eBay. The current Examiner (called the "TG" or "Targette-Garvin" model) sells for $750-$800, depending on the exchange rate. This particular unit was purchased directly from Ranger-Tell, and not via eBay.

First Look
Fig. 1 shows a side view of the Examiner. It consists of a black box with a swivel handle on the bottom and a collapsible antenna sticking out the front, very much like the designs of the Electroscope (http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/escope301/index.dat), Lectra Search (http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/ls60/index.dat), and Treasure Scope (http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/tscope/index.dat) LRLs. What differentiates this LRL from the others is the calculator that is attached to the top of the black box.

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Fig. 2: Top view showing the calculator. Fig. 2 is a top view that shows the calculator, which is a Karce KC-153. Karce is based in China, and makes dirt cheap calculators and electronic organizers. I could not find this particular model for sale (probably discontinued), but similar scientific models sell for $5 or so. The calculator is mounted in a slip case, which is attached to the black box. It easily slides out of the slip case, revealing the view shown here:

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Fig. 3: Behind the calculator. The first thing to note, is that the calculator slip case is attached to the black box with double-stick foam tape. A second item of interest is that the slip case has a hole drilled in it, and there is a wire sticking up out of the black box through this hole. The wire is not connected to the calculator, and is trimmed flush so that it does not even touch the calculator when it is slid into the slip case.
Besides the calculator, there is one unmarked control knob at the top rear of the black box. Additionally, there are three small holes in the box — two on the bottom and one on the right side — that appear to be access holes for inserting a screwdriver to adjust whatever is inside the black box.
The antenna is a common telescopic radio type and extends to XX inches (XX cm). Finally, the black box has a battery compartment, but the cover is permanently glued shut, and there is no provision for installing a battery, other than the ones contained in the calculator.

Closer Look
With most LRLs, opening the "black box" usually reveals what the whole thing is all about, and the Examiner follows this trend perfectly. The case for the Examiner was well-glued, and difficult to open, but revealed the following interior2:

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Fig. 4: Inside the Examiner. The upper half (on the left) holds the lone external control, a potentiometer. I've disconnected the two wires that connect it to the remaining circuitry in the other half, in order to fully open the case. Additionally, glued to the inside top is a piece of heavy-gauge enameled copper wire that is bent around and back-and-forth, in a rather meandering way. One end of this wire protrudes through the top half (see arrow), and through the hole in the calculator slip case (arrow, Fig. 3). Neither end of the wire connects to anything, anywhere. It's just a piece of disconnected wire, glued to the box.
The bottom half of the black box holds the antenna, a small circuit board, and more wire. A piece of brass rod is also affixed to the inside of the lower half, and protrudes through the case to form the core of the handle. The rest of the handle consists of a plastic tube and end caps (similar to PVC pipe sold in the US), along with a soft foam grip, and the brass rod is inserted through holes in the end caps such that the plastic tube (and foam grip) will spin on the brass rod, creating a pivoting handle. Fig. 5 is a disassembled view of the handle, and the circuit board inside the Examiner has been moved upward to reveal the mounting details. The red arrow shows where the brass rod comes through the case and is bent over and secured to the case with a screw.

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Fig. 5: Details of the handle. The rear of the antenna is mounted to a screw, secured through the bottom of the case. One of the leads from the external control potentiometer (mounted in the upper half of the case) is soldered directly to the rear of the antenna. The other potentiometer lead is soldered to the brass rod that forms the core of the handle. Therefore, the potentiometer is connected between the handle core and the antenna. The antenna is not electrically connected to anything else, nor is the handle core.
The small circuit board is an experimenter's type, often called "perf board". Normally found in one-off homebrew projects, and not in commercially manufactured equipment. Mounted on the board are 2 potentiometers, one variable capacitor, and one electrolytic capacitor. One of the potentiometers, and the variable capacitor, are mounted on the bottom side of the perf board (see Fig. 6). There are two small access holes (mentioned earlier) in the bottom of the Black Box to access them. The access hole in the side of the Black Box is for the other potentiometer on the top side of the circuit board. Fig. 6 also clearly shows where one of the potentiometer wires is soldered directly to the handle core.

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Fig. 6: Bottom side of the circuit board.
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Fig. 7: Antenna detail. Fig. 7 shows a close-up of the antenna, which has two coils of heavy-gauge magnet wire wrapped around it. The smaller coil has three turns and, like the piece of meandering wire glued to the inside top half of the case, it is not physically connected to anything at all. The larger coil has 4 turns, wound in the opposite direction from the smaller coil, and is connected to other circuit components. The front end of the coil is connected to a diode (small-signal 1N914 type), which is then connected to the circuit board. The other end of the coil also connects to the circuit board.

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Fig. 8: Examiner schematic. The schematic, Fig. 8, shows that the circuitry consists of a series connection of a diode and an RLC circuit, where the inductor is the enameled wire wrapped around the antenna. The second inner coil wrapped around the antenna (gray in the pic) doesn't connect to anything at either end, and therefore cannot possibly play any operational role in the circuit. The remainder of the circuitry is variable capacitor C1, electrolytic capacitor C2, and two potentiometers. The three variable elements in this circuit can be adjusted via small access holes in the Black Box, as already mentioned.

The Claims
There are four sources of claims for this device: the web page for Ranger-Tell (http://www.rangertell.com/); the eBay listings; the user manual; and statements made by "Ranger" (the owner of Ranger-Tell) on various forums, in response to questions asked of his devices. Some of the many operational claims made of the Examiner are:

A long range locator that will find gold, precious metals and gemstones. (eBay)
All RT units will detect coins and jewellery [sic] as well as reefs, caches, and any deposits of gold and precious metals and/or gemstones. They will also detect paper money. (web site)
It will pick up 4gm gold in a vial from 25 meters dead on. (manual)
Small items like coins and rings can be detected at tens of feet. (web site)
The Examiner will locate a gold ring at 25 meters below the surface. (manual)
It will detect larger metals and materials that are up to 1 kilometre away and generally much further. (manual)
It will swing perceptibly towards large targets many meters below the surface and several hundred meters distance. (eBay)
Plus it has found gold EVERY time it's been used this year on Australian Goldfields and continues to be amazingly popular worldwide. (eBay)
Most people will only need it for nuggets and gold in general, which will be detected without fault at hundreds of meters distance and conservatively a hundred metres of solid rock. (eBay)
But then since the Earth is a magnet and it is the polarity plus the resonant frequency amplification circuit of the unit that causes it to turn, it is in fact a gold and substance compass and hence distance is no object. (web site)
The Ranger-Tell Examiner uses a powerful frequency induction system turned to maximise detection, and flawless electronic circuitry. Since it is based on original aerial physics there is no battery power required. (eBay)
The range of this detector is Unbelievable!! (eBay)
Let's start with the operational theory. The web site for Ranger-Tell includes this attempt:
Each entity in the universe is made up of an atomic structure that makes it that particular entity. In simple terms if you can imagine the atoms vibrating in these objects you will see that there will be a high and a low to each vibration and that eventually the same vibration pattern will occur. This is the frequency of the oscillating or vibrating object. Each object has it's own frequency. When you tune to a sample of that object the electronics in the locator will resonate or harmonise with the same vibration in the target and the alignment of the barrel will occur as it attempts to find the correct magnetic polarity between the unit and the target.
The manual for the Examiner also includes a similar theory:
HOW DOES IT WORK? There is considerable debate regarding the real explanation for the locating power of LRLs generally. The answer is in the physics of magnetic currents, resonant frequency and coil principles e.g. induction. The target, like all things has it's own specific frequency. The coil antenna within the unit can amplify that frequency once it detects it. It detects it because you have set the Examiner to the target's frequency by entering the number. When the antenna encounters a similar frequency in the field it begins to vibrate or resonate at the same frequency in Hertz which is another word for cycles per second. It does this because of the unique coil system within that is sensitive to similar vibrations, like a radio is sensitive to radio waves and not microwaves. On being amplified by the circuitry in the Examiner the magnetic laws govern it's disposition for it to align with the target's direction.
This is pretty much the same "theory" that is promoted by other LRL manufacturers: that each something3 has its own unique frequency, and if the LRL is tuned to that frequency, it will point to the desired object.
According to the manual and the web site, the calculator is used to program the desired operation frequency:
[The calculator] produces an amplifiable signal that is filtered and induced by the control box circuit to turn the unit into a specifiable compass, according to the specific frequency entered in it.
Furthermore, it is claimed that the resulting frequency is accurate to no less than 9 decimal places:
The Examiner will give you nine decimal place accuracy due to research with special signal generation systems into just exactly what frequencies are involved with gold, precious metals, and gemstones.
The instructions say to enter a number — say, 5.11 for gold — and to hit the "SIN" key (mathematical sine) to "program" the unit. The manual goes on to say that additionally pressing the "HYP" key (hyperbolic) will "sharpen the response". The telescoping antenna can be adjusted for distance: "You can alter the range of the Examiner by extending [the antenna]".
Because the calculator is not electrically connected to anything, it is claimed that the resulting calculator-generated signal is coupled into the black box using the principle of induction, via the piece of meandering wire glued to the inside top of the box:
[The calculator] is in fact a DC oscillator that produces a steady, mathematically modified sin [sic] wave frequency signal to be translated by the Tesla coil and circuit in the control-box.
The piece of meandering wire is described as being part of a "Tesla transformer":
It is in fact an oscillator whose wave output is collected by the unique flat Tesla aerial as an induction field which needs no contact between components.
It is based on Tesla's work with flat spiral antennae.
The black box contains a simple series connection of components, unpowered, that is described as being both a resonant circuit, and a filter:
the specially selected rectification signal diode, the capacitance and resistance unseen and the main capacitance form a Tesla/Resonance circuit to enable the detection of frequencies inputted into the calculator.
The resonance circuit forms [a bypass filter] as well as far as I am aware.
The series connection of components includes magnet wire wrapped around the antenna, plus there is a second disconnected piece of wire also wrapped around the antenna. These are described as being the secondary coils to the piece of meandering wire, as follows:
Classic but unique Tesla coiling with deliberate reverse double helix winding that's not found anywhere. The winds and turning forms the secondary. It is basically A TRANSFORMER. This particular type of transformer is known as the Tesla coil after its inventor, Nikola Tesla. Unlike low-frequency transformers, it has an air core, and no iron is used in it construction.A short explanation of how the Tesla Coil converts the low-frequency ac into high-frequency ac is first necessary. there is no need for any connection to be made between wires and coils. This is the Tesla principle. It's in electric motors, transformers and pcs. It a field transference.
Once the desired numbers are programmed into the calculator, the lone control knob can be used as a "fine tuner", and "allows you to tune to sharper locks with your target", according to the manual. Yet, in another place the manual states the control knob "is like ground-balancing a standard metal detector", although there is no further explanation of this claim.
So, in summary, the claimed operation is as follows: The calculator is programmed by the user, and generates a particular frequency signal; the signal is inductively coupled to the meandering wire, which is described as the primary (flat spiral) coil of a Tesla transformer; the wire wrapped around the antenna is the secondary coil and, along with the series connected components, amplifies and filters the signal; the signal resonates with a distant target and causes the device to turn and point at the target.
Other claims that deserve mention are as follows:

It basically works like a standard metal detector but employs frequencies that extend the range considerably.
The Examiner is not a magic dowsing machine but consists of a guaranteed 100% accurate electronic frequency tuning system.
The Examiner behaves like a gold magnet due to the unique aerial electronics.
The Ranger-Tell Examiner was developed and tested by a geologist.
Finally, the Ranger-Tell web site has what are essentially two rant pages against skeptics, namely me.
http://www.rangertell.com/thunting.htm
http://www.rangertell.com/to_the_skeptic.htm (http://www.rangertell.com/to_the_skeptic.htm)
Although the pages are written in Ranger's usual incoherent style, they are well worth reading, to see how Ranger has reacted to the exposure of his nonsense.

The Truth
Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of electronics can see that calculator, and the "circuitry" inside the Examiner, do nothing useful. Calculators, in general, do have a fixed-frequency "clock" signal that runs the calculator circuitry, but the frequency is not altered by any key strokes. So the claim that the calculator provides a signal with a programmable frequency is false.
The web site goes on to claim that the calculator couples to the circuitry inside the black box via induction, with the meandering piece of wire as the primary side of the "transformer". But this piece of wire is not connected to anything, and therefore is not part of any closed circuit, and cannot possibly support inductive coupling. Because there is no circuitry either inside the calculator, or inside the black box, that could operate as a transformer, Ranger appeals to Tesla in an attempt to explain away the obvious lack of any real induction mechanism. So, the calculator taped to the top of the box cannot possibly relay any "signal" to the inside of the box.
What about the rest of the circuit? It's just a few odd components soldered together to appear "technical". The claim that the components form some sort of resonance circuit which is somehow tuned by the numbers punched into the calculator is false. The silliness of this claim is underscored by Ranger's insistence that, once again, the circuit is of the "Tesla" variety, and not understood by normal science. Such statements are the norm in all sorts of other pseudoscience, and a sure sign that the claims are bogus.
In RealScience, a resonance circuit would never include a series diode, which would specifically block resonance from occurring. And, in RealScience, resistance is the mortal enemy of a resonant circuit, yet Ranger has two pots in the loop, which add up to a whopping 12.4k-ohms. Pretty much guaranteeing that, even if the diode is removed, there ain't gonna be any resonance. But, again, even ignoring the fact that the circuit cannot possibly resonate, the notion that numbers punched into a disconnected calculator will change the tuning of a fixed-component circuit is just plain quackery.
In the manual, the lone control knob is described as a "fine tuner", and "allows you to tune to sharper locks with your target." However, if the calculator programs the frequency to 9 decimal places of accuracy, where even one digit of error can result in non-operation, then this additional "fine tuner" makes no sense. Yet, in another place the manual states the control knob "is like ground-balancing a standard metal detector", so even within the manual there is little consistency in descriptions. But the control is just a potentiometer connected from the antenna to the handle, and because of the plastic sleeve and the foam grip, the user's hand is completely insulated from the brass rod. So the potentiometer cannot possibly perform any real function, and only offers the user a little knob to play with. This is a common gimmick with LRLs, whereby useless controls are added to the device to make the user feel he's doing something other than just dowsing4.
The various claims of operation — such as the Examiner "works like a standard metal detector", "uses a powerful frequency induction system", and "behaves like a gold magnet" — are false. The Examiner bears no resemblance to a metal detector (which does operate on the principle of induction) either in appearance or circuitry. Induction plays absolutely no role in the operation of the Examiner, regardless of how many Teslas are thrown into the explanation. In one forum post, Ranger suggested that metal detectors "contain fewer electronics in monetary terms than LRLs", which is yet another laughable claim. Even the simplest 3-transistor BFO detector is more complex than the Examiner.
The Examiner does have the appearance of a dowsing rod, and also operates exactly like a dowsing rod. In fact, when all of the non-functional eye candy is removed from the device — the "circuit", the control knob, the unconnected pieces of wire, and the calculator — what's left is... a dowsing rod! A plastic box, mounted on a swivel handle, with an antenna sticking out the front. Something that anyone can build for $10 or so.
When Ranger first began selling LRLs on eBay, he included a statement that the product was "Pat. Pending". And, when I first posted my preliminary findings on the Examiner, Ranger said in reference to my photos of the interior, "I'm afraid you are committing copyright infringement in opening and declaring various photographs as represenative [sic] of Ranger-Tell products."
Searches of patent applications revealed no record of Ranger's "Pat. Pending" claim, and I pointed out to Ranger that if there is no "Patent Pending", then to claim that status is illegal. He stated that the Examiner technology was "patentable", but removed the statement from subsequent eBay listings. So the implication in his eBay description that he had filed for a patent was false. His complaint that my exposure of his Examiner somehow violates copyright law does not even rise to the level of a serious response. Ranger's understanding of copyright law ranks right up there with his inept understanding of electronics.
As a final indication of Ranger's ethics, his latest version of the Examiner includes documentation in PDF format, which was created with a program called "Win2PDF". The final page of each of the several PDF files includes the statement, "The unregistered version of Win2PDF is for evaluation or non-commercial use only." Obviously, Ranger has chosen to violate the terms of usage for the software for his commercial gain.
Many LRL manufacturers cite customer satisfaction as evidence that their products must work. Ranger states on his web site that "Out of about 150 units sold only one user has returned it and received a refund". A later statement implies one return out of 200 customers. However, I know of several purchasers who have returned units for a refund, and several more who did not, but wished they had. And two more who were so disgusted with their Examiners that they sent them to me, for this report. Furthermore, I have serious doubts that Ranger has sold 200 or more units.
Ranger's "Theory of Operation" is essentially the same as what other LRL manufacturers state. It is a bogus theory, used to trick people into believing that the ordinary dowsing response (ideomotor action) they feel is somehow due to a physical interaction with a distant target, and used to explain the additional circuitry and justify the high price tag. It's hard to imagine that anyone would actually believe the claim that keying in a few numbers on a calculator, and pressing the Sine key, will somehow "program" the Examiner to locate gold only. This is well beyond absurdity.
I have, several times, offered Ranger my $10,000 (and now $25,000) prize, if he can demonstrate that his Examiner can detect a solid gold target at a distance of 10 feet, in a very simple test. He has consistently refused to do so, citing a variety of excuses.

Ranger's Response
Some of the information in this report was originally posted on the TreasureNet LRL forum in several short installments. Ranger made numerous responses to those postings, which deserve inclusion in this report.
First and foremost, Ranger immediately claimed that the Examiner I have was an "experimental" unit, not normal production. And that the manual had errors.
The main thing that needs to be said is that the report on Geotech re the Examiner refers to an experimental Examiner
As I recall that particular model was NOT representative of the Examiner by Ranger-Tell though it worked to the same quality levels as the others.
Also the wrong instructions were sent out with that particular model. The frequencies were wrong.
However, the original buyer of this unit was never told that it was an experimental model, nor was he ever told that the manual had errors. No updated manual was ever received. This Examiner appears to be the same as units that were being advertised on eBay at the time and, again, there was no mention that they were experimental.
Ranger appeals to Tesla and "unconventional science" (i.e., pseudoscience) to explain away the unconnected pieces of wire, and also claims that they are so critical in their dimensions and placement that it is impossible to duplicate them:
Remember we are talking about virgin Tesla coils here that don't conform to electronics textbook explanation until you know what it is you have.
There is no connection required because it's a Tesla transformer concept.
If it was a micron short or the loops were not of a certain amplitude it wouldn't convey the signal to the receiving components.
He also complained about the glue smears in my photos:
Carl's pictures were taken in the wrong light, to exaggerate the glue marks.
The glue is not visible in normal light.
Sorry, but the smear marks are perfectly visible, and appear just as they do in photos. No lighting trick needed.
Regarding the "resonance circuit" inside the Examiner, Ranger responds:
We are not talking about normal resonance circuits. We are dealing with a unique never-seen-before resonant circuit. This is the first corollary of electronic experimentation.
If you don't realise the concept is the Tesla transformer using the capacitance and diode rectifier as a signal a-DC [sic] amplification principle you will miss the entire import of this early experiment with the Examiner.
So, not only does the circuit resonate, but it provides "DC amplification" as well? This gets better all the time. And is there any way to verify, using conventional test equipment, that any of the claimed signals exist? Apparently not:
The sinewave frequencies that emanate from the calculator and are amplified by the coil in the Examiner are extremely minute and cannot be detected using conventional apparatus.
There is quite a bit more material that I could include, but it just gets more ridiculous. I encourage readers to check the two rant pages (links above), to get the full context of the responses, as well as other comments. It's fairly entertaining.
The closing quote pretty well sums it all up:
Carl, I thought you had more imagination.
Yes, indeed, a very active imagination is certainly what's needed, to believe all the nonsense about the Examiner.

Who is "Ranger"???
One of the perplexing elements of the Ranger-Tell operation, is that it's owner has consistently refused to state his real name. On various forums, he simply signs his posts as "Ranger" or "Tell", or one of many other aliases, often trying to pretend to be someone else. I know of no other LRL manufacturer who tries to hide his identity in this manner, or employs shenanigans such as posting under various aliases, in an attempt to trick readers.
So who is "Ranger"? His real name is Vincent Blanes, and he lives at 505 Marshall Street in Lavington, NSW, Australia. When Mr. Blanes first registered his web site, he made the mistake of doing so in his own name. He later changed the registration when this gaffe was mentioned on the forums, and he vehemently denied that his name was Blanes. However, I have heard from several buyers who returned their Examiner for a refund and, very consistently, the name they were told to return it to has been Vincent A. Blanes. One person even got a Paypal refund from Vincent Blanes. Why Mr. Blanes feels a need to keep his identity a secret is rather puzzling, unless he is concerned with legal exposure.
Ebay ads and the Ranger-Tell web site also state that "the Ranger-Tell Examiner was developed and tested by a geologist." It's hard to imagine that anyone with a university degree in any branch of physics could actually believe in all the garbage that Mr. Blanes has produced. Interestingly, his web site declares that he has "University approved knowledge in Geology, Geomorphology and Geophysics." In the world of pseudoscience, this is usually means that there ain't a real degree, and that most of the "knowledge" is made-up. However, on a forum Blanes stated, "The Bachelor Of Science majoring in Geology, Geomorphology and Geophysics was conferred on me in 1995 at Macquarie University." If so, then perhaps the curriculum at Macquarie University needs an overhaul.

Conclusion
The Ranger-Tell Examiner is nothing but an ordinary dowsing device. The calculator plays no role, other than as a normal calculator. The internal circuitry does nothing useful. The claims made of the device, both in its capabilities and supposed principle of operation, are completely false.
The seller of the device attempts to keep his true identity a secret, which indicates that his business may be somewhat less than legitimate. Other claims that he has made — such as the "Pat. Pending", only one unit returned for a refund, operates like a metal detector — have turned out to be wholly dishonest statements.
The web site for Ranger-Tell is a visually painful experience, and much of the information is presented in an incoherent style. However, for anyone who is curious about the Examiner, I urge you to browse the web site, and if you don't find the claims completely laughable, then you are probably a good candidate for buying an LRL.
1. Other models are the "Goldscrew" and the "Rodette". See the Ranger-Tell website (http://www.rangertell.com/) for details on all models.
2. The whitish-looking stuff smeared around the inside is possibly glue residue, I'm not sure. The photos were not enhanced to exaggerate this; what you see is how it really looks.
3. Atomic structure, or molecules, or compound... the details of the theory vary from person to person, and never seem to get nailed down.
4. And to also make the buyer feel like the high price bought him something more than a plain ol' dowsing rod.
Copyright © 2004 Carl W. Moreland (carl@geotech1.com), all rights reserved.

[hung]

Before I leave this morning, let's have a great laugh on one of the best Carl's jokes.

The Ranger-Tell Examiner is nothing but an ordinary dowsing device. The calculator plays no role, other than as a normal calculator.

:lol::lol::lol:

[WM6]

Before I leave this morning, let's have a great laugh on one of the best Carl's jokes.

"The Ranger-Tell Examiner is nothing but an ordinary dowsing device. The calculator plays no role, other than as a normal calculator. "

:lol::lol::lol:

I was read this Carl's words 6 years ago:

"First and foremost, Ranger immediately claimed that the Examiner I have was an "experimental" unit, not normal production. And that the manual had errors. ....
However, the original buyer of this unit was never told that it was an experimental model, nor was he ever told that the manual had errors. No updated manual was ever received. This Examiner appears to be the same as units that were being advertised on eBay at the time and, again, there was no mention that they were experimental. "

and I am still laughing.

Probably J_P is lauhghing at this too?

[Qiaozhi]

Before I leave this morning, let's have a great laugh on one of the best Carl's jokes.


:lol::lol::lol:
You have a strange sense of humor.

[Qiaozhi]

You said I was doing Dowsing, I told you No I' was using LRL with a custom made device like many member here on the forum.

I've got no particular Skill for dowsing AND i don't want to and then I've shown you device classified by carl has electronic LRL .
OK - have a look at this -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=/projects/lrl1/index.dat

You will clearly see that LRL1 is a "Basic Dowsing Rod". In other words, a dowsing rod is a type of LRL. You are just being pedantic (splitting hairs).

The device you are using has a swinging handle ... so it's a dowsing rod ... pure and simple. By calling it an LRL you are just using a more generic term, like referring to a BMW as a car.

If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?

[hung]

This afternoon gaucho1961 left to the location. The first sunny day after much rain.
He will spend the night at the site and will start the work tomorrow morning.

[detectoman]

dear brhy hung, yours can make and good video in real moment recovery, take film whit tripoidal then cut and show and original work film
use this cut videos: http://www.portalprogramas.com/gratis/cortar-videos

[Fred]

Funfinder, if your have any relevant questions or matters you wish to discuss, please PM me. As you see, that's why this site and the 'enlighted skepthics' are subject of so much fun over TNET.

Regards.

Amazing how your lack of technical backup to support your ideas end up by "privatizing" the debate :rolleyes:

[hung]

Amazing how your lack of technical backup to support your ideas end up by "privatizing" the debate :rolleyes:

Why shouldn't I?
In the past I have many times tried to even start a point regarding scientific matters. But this proved impossible due to the attitude of some forum members.
So I usually discuss these subjects with my peers in my team. Tough I found some scientific mind folks in the TNET forum.

How can I talk about magnetic resonance and deflection of magnetic fields by light when you and your skeptic peers here are still in 1852 delighted with the 'newly born' term ideomotor?

How can I discuss MFDs here when you and your peers still think dowsing is ideomotor and worse, think MFDs are the same?

How can I discuss the rangertell concept when the owner of this forum popped up a gem stating that resistance is an absolute value?

You see, it's just impossible. So I usually join in the fun specially when you post those funny pictures in the threads.

Way to go, pal.

[hung]

dear brhy hung, yours can make and good video in real moment recovery, take film whit tripoidal then cut and show and original work film
use this cut videos: http://www.portalprogramas.com/gratis/cortar-videos

Thanks dman, I know how to do it, but it's gaucho who will shoot the videos. And he also knows what to do.
Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

How can I discuss MFDs here when you and your peers still think dowsing is ideomotor and worse, think MFDs are the same?
We don't think dowsing is ideomotor, we know it is. But since you totally refuse to even consider a scientifically-controlled double-blind test, you will continue to wallow in ignorance of the real facts.

How can I discuss the rangertell concept when the owner of this forum popped up a gem stating that resistance is an absolute value?
Indeed ..... how can you continue to discuss the RangerTell concept? What concept? It's just a scam.

[WM6]

You see, it's just impossible. So I usually join in the fun specially when you post those funny pictures in the threads.

.

Yes I see, you are last lost-in-space tragic pseudo-logical extrasensory back-Gaus-forwarded LRL-fan-attic Min'oro scientist in the World (of Calimeros).

[Fred]

(...)
How can I talk about magnetic resonance and deflection of magnetic fields by light when you and your skeptic peers here are still in 1852 delighted with the 'newly born' term ideomotor?

How can I discuss MFDs here when you and your peers still think dowsing is ideomotor and worse, think MFDs are the same?

How can I discuss the rangertell concept when the owner of this forum popped up a gem stating that resistance is an absolute value?


Try in technical terms, for once...The one based on real proven science.
Try to give up inventing you own science to look smarter in front of a public selected by you.

[hung]

Try in technical terms, for once...The one based on real proven science.
Try to give up inventing you own science to look smarter in front of a public selected by you.

You don't really understand.
Smart is a term used to imply taking advantage over something or someone.
For this, I am not smart. I only like studying.
It's through studying that I know what I know. Too much? Not at all. But enough.

But... if I use your own term, yes, then I am smart to not call 'bogus' or 'fraud' everything I don't understand.
I am smart to research what I used to not understand in order to find the answers.
And I am smart to perceive that your concept of 'proven science' is much different than mine.

[gibon]

OK - have a look at this -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=/projects/lrl1/index.dat

You will clearly see that LRL1 is a "Basic Dowsing Rod". In other words, a dowsing rod is a type of LRL. You are just being pedantic (splitting hairs).

The device you are using has a swinging handle ... so it's a dowsing rod ... pure and simple. By calling it an LRL you are just using a more generic term, like referring to a BMW as a car.

If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?



http://lecheminsouslesbuis.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hyene.jpg



Geotech skeptic member and administrator on this Forum.

THIS IS THAT KIND OF LITTLE JOKE YOU LIKE HERE

[J_Player]

I am smart to research what I used to not understand in order to find the answers.
And I am smart to perceive that your concept of 'proven science' is much different than mine.Ahh Yes,
It is the dawn of a new horizon where new, improved science has been discovered by Dr. hung. We can forget the old proven science because Dr. hung has made important discoveries which make science as we know it obsolete.

Let us see what new, improved science we have learned so far from Dr. hung:
"Gold is the most powerful 'self defensive' metal when it comes to avoid any harm to its structure, such as rust, oxidation, etc. Its DNA produces a substance which coats the metal to fight against those 'threats'." :shrug:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84058 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84058)

This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned". :nono:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41226 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41226)

"Back to the Examiner’s concept, there’s a portion in ECE which I already mentioned which might explain how the magnetic fields produced by the unit even diminute might be working provided one gets free of the standard Maxwell Heaviside concept and maybe start to find some backup on the Aharonov-Bohm and the field and potential relationship..." :???:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63626 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=63626&postcount=10)

"If you navigate the internet correctly, you will find out how ALL scientific comunity in the world utilizes AIAS as basis for their research". :lol:
http://geotech1.com/forums/showthrea...3185#post63185 (http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63185#post63185)

"So, there's no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or IR striking the surface of the earth". :rolleyes:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2132437 (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,292891.msg2132437.html#msg2132437)

Carl-NC asks: The UV ... is absorbed by the surface of the earth. This parcel which is absorbed is THE ONLY souce of heat for our planet and it occurs during the sunlight period. Absolutely correct. It's called radiant energy. The only source of heat is the one which is absorbed. :help:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968)

You think of voltage as a potential. It's not only a potential, but also a flow as electromotive force.
Wake up! If voltage is too high it travels through the nucleous of the conductor. If lower it travesl through the surface!
Current is a 'control' of this flow. :nono:
Ask Mr. John Bedini to demonstrate his motor to you. Ask him what voltage is.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968)

Nope, it's not real science, it's HungScience.
This is the new science that Dr. hung has taught us in the past couple of years. It wasn't enough to expect us to believe he modified his LRL to detect a coin at a mile, We must now believe he has scientific knowledge that surpasses what we know to work from years of experience.

For example:
1. Voltage is a flow that is controlled by current. (EEs should write this down so you don't forget). Ask John Bedini if you don't believe it.
2. IR energy is not absorbed by the surface of the earth - there is no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or striking the surface of the earth. So if you feel the earth surface get warm in the sun, rest assured IR has nothing to do with radiant IR energy from the sun.
3. The principle of the RangerTell working is resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned. If you can't find any transmitting equipment inside an Examiner, or if you think RF carrier signals are not propagated by "shooting" and "returning", then you must learn Dr. hung's new, imporved science so you too can be smart.
4. Gold DNA produces a substance that coats the surface to prevent oxidation. I suppose this substance would be very valuable as a corrosion inhibitor. But I wasn't able to find any of it on the surface of gold. However, you can still get rich by simply getting the gold to multiply. Since the genetic code of gold is kept in its DNA, it will be able to reporduce itself with RNA and other protiens that allow new gold cells to grow more new gold, making you rich. I wonder what you should use for food to help gold grow.

Actually all of this HungScience seems kind of sick to me.
How can anyone who spreads this much misinformation spend their spare time researching?
What reading sources produce this degree of dementia?
Maybe the Myron Evans forum?

Best wishes,
J_P

[gibon]

Ahh Yes,
It is the dawn of a new horizon where new, improved science has been discovered by Dr. hung. We can forget the old proven science because Dr. hung has made important discoveries which make science as we know it obsolete.

Let us see what new, improved science we have learned so far from Dr. hung:
"Gold is the most powerful 'self defensive' metal when it comes to avoid any harm to its structure, such as rust, oxidation, etc. Its DNA produces a substance which coats the metal to fight against those 'threats'." :shrug:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84058 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84058)

This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned". :nono:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41226 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41226)

"Back to the Examiner’s concept, there’s a portion in ECE which I already mentioned which might explain how the magnetic fields produced by the unit even diminute might be working provided one gets free of the standard Maxwell Heaviside concept and maybe start to find some backup on the Aharonov-Bohm and the field and potential relationship..." :???:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63626 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=63626&postcount=10)

"If you navigate the internet correctly, you will find out how ALL scientific comunity in the world utilizes AIAS as basis for their research". :lol:
http://geotech1.com/forums/showthrea...3185#post63185 (http://geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63185#post63185)

"So, there's no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or IR striking the surface of the earth". :rolleyes:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2132437 (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,292891.msg2132437.html#msg2132437)

Carl-NC asks: The UV ... is absorbed by the surface of the earth. This parcel which is absorbed is THE ONLY souce of heat for our planet and it occurs during the sunlight period. Absolutely correct. It's called radiant energy. The only source of heat is the one which is absorbed. :help:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968)

You think of voltage as a potential. It's not only a potential, but also a flow as electromotive force.
Wake up! If voltage is too high it travels through the nucleous of the conductor. If lower it travesl through the surface!
Current is a 'control' of this flow. :nono:
Ask Mr. John Bedini to demonstrate his motor to you. Ask him what voltage is.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=106968)

Nope, it's not real science, it's HungScience.
This is the new science that Dr. hung has taught us in the past couple of years. It wasn't enough to expect us to believe he modified his LRL to detect a coin at a mile, We must now believe he has scientific knowledge that surpasses what we know to work from years of experience.

For example:
1. Voltage is a flow that is controlled by current. (EEs should write this down so you don't forget). Ask John Bedini if you don't believe it.
2. IR energy is not absorbed by the surface of the earth - there is no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or striking the surface of the earth. So if you feel the earth surface get warm in the sun, rest assured IR has nothing to do with radiant IR energy from the sun.
3. The principle of the RangerTell working is resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned. If you can't find any transmitting equipment inside an Examiner, or if you think RF carrier signals are not propagated by "shooting" and "returning", then you must learn Dr. hung's new, imporved science so you too can be smart.
4. Gold DNA produces a substance that coats the surface to prevent oxidation. I suppose this substance would be very valuable as a corrosion inhibitor. But I wasn't able to find any of it on the surface of gold. However, you can still get rich by simply getting the gold to multiply. Since the genetic code of gold is kept in its DNA, it will be able to reporduce itself with RNA and other protiens that allow new gold cells to grow more new gold, making you rich. I wonder what you should use for food to help gold grow.

Actually all of this HungScience seems kind of sick to me.
How can anyone who spreads this much misinformation spend their spare time researching?
What reading sources produce this degree of dementia?
Maybe the Myron Evans forum?

Best wishes,
J_P



Really Un interesting



http://static.skynetblogs.be/media/2124/dyn001_original_240_318_pjpeg_2544267_6dc00e805632 586eb924e9b931576818.jpg

[WM6]

THIS IS THAT KIND OF LITTLE JOKE YOU LIKE HERE



Hi gibon,

you need urgently to visit your dentist for at least two LRL gold fillings:

[WM6]

Really Un interesting



http://static.skynetblogs.be/media/2124/dyn001_original_240_318_pjpeg_2544267_6dc00e805632 586eb924e9b931576818.jpg


Nice look at LRL scientist. I suppose he was model for Auguste Rodin "Le Penseur LRL" (in translation "Retired LRL Scientist"). Thank you.

[Fred]

You don't really understand.

Impressive how many times i have seen this phrase lately, between you and gibon...a you the only one(s) to understand ?
Smart is a term used to imply taking advantage over something or someone.
For this, I am not smart. I only like studying.
It's through studying that I know what I know. Too much? Not at all. But enough.
But... if I use your own term, yes, then I am smart to not call 'bogus' or 'fraud' everything I don't understand.
I am smart to research what I used to not understand in order to find the answers.
And I am smart to perceive that your concept of 'proven science' is much different than mine.

Well, one thing is for sure, you are not smart enough to explain your "science". You can see JP´quotations above as an example.

[gibon]

Nice look at LRL scientist. I suppose he was model for Auguste Rodin "Le Penseur LRL" (in translation "Retired LRL Scientist"). Thank you.


An other good friend of you Wm6 ? New member of Geotech ?

http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/en/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/_dsc0055w_hyenne_apres_le_repas.jpg

[hung]

gaucho1961 has just sent me an email from a lanhouse distant some 15 miles from the site. He was there checking his emailbox as I have sent him dowsed pictures of the location scanned by folks from the TNET dowsing forum.

He said to have already taken some video shots and also have used the center & deep to mark some depths. He provided no further details tough, as he was in a hurry anxiously leaving to the site.

[Qiaozhi]

gaucho1961 has just sent me an email from a lanhouse distant some 15 miles from the site. He was there checking his emailbox as I have sent him dowsed pictures of the location scanned by folks from the TNET dowsing forum.

He said to have already taken some video shots and also have used the center & deep to mark some depths. He provided no further details tough, as he was in a hurry anxiously leaving to the site.
Now you're promoting map dowsing. :???: That's just unbelievable, even for you. Where is the science in that?

[Qiaozhi]

Geotech skeptic member and administrator on this Forum.

THIS IS THAT KIND OF LITTLE JOKE YOU LIKE HERE
Try replying without the silly pictures and comments.

I'll repeat the question in case you missed it last time:
If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?

[WM6]

An other good friend of you Wm6 ? New member of Geotech ?



Hi gibon, I am not interesting in photos of your nice family members anymore. Please send it all to Mr. Hung at PM to organize next LRL scientific conference.

[hung]

Now you're promoting map dowsing. :???: That's just unbelievable, even for you. Where is the science in that?

How can I discuss the science behind it, if you are still stuck in the 1852's definition of ideomotor?
Let's put it this way...
If gaucho1961 happens to find what one or some of the map dowsers sensed there, what would be the science behind it?


If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?Same with the Examiner. In order to overcome friction, it's necessary that the operator move the device to generate electrostatic charges.

[gibon]

Now you're promoting map dowsing. :???: That's just unbelievable, even for you. Where is the science in that?



Map dowsing have been invented by a famous monk ABBE MERMET.

This priest was able to find gold, silver, poeple etc.. only with pendulum by DOWSING or with map location . That was Pure Dowsing.

All have been prouved on his different book's. ( authentified by local autorities )



http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dpZDUC9oL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/2951121121/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books)


So before talking Read first.

[gibon]

Try replying without the silly pictures and comments.

I'll repeat the question in case you missed it last time:
If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?


Dear administrator ,

Do you remenber this Skeptic Member who was Call MAX ?

You know Max the famous CLOWN of Geotech always ready to joke and send Nakked girl on post ?

Always ready to send silly picture ( that is your words ) and for Max The clown you was not so relluctant.

So dear administrator on this forum theire is two ways .

One for the skeptic ( the good guys ) one for the LRL user's ( the bad guy's or the jerk).

That is the way you do on this forum and of course it'is absolutly unfair.

:nono:

[WM6]

Map dowsing have been invented by a famous monk ABBE MERMET.

This priest was able to find gold, silver, poeple etc.. only with pendulum by DOWSING or with map location . That was Pure Dowsing.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dpZDUC9oL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/2951121121/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books)


So before talking Read first.

First Cinderella, then Calimero.

No, this was pure dowsing, or you not to believe in dowsing?

You read first:

[Fred]

One for the skeptic ( the good guys ) one for the LRL user's ( the bad guy's or the jerk).
:nono:

There is no good guys or bad guys, just guys that can explain and prove that something works,(and claim nothing extraordinary) and others that can´t (but have extraordinary claims).
Even if explaining HOW it works is impossible, at least just proving it does work should be easy, but i have never seen that.
Never too late? :rolleyes:

[Fred]

(...)
Same with the Examiner. In order to overcome friction, it's necessary that the operator move the device to generate electrostatic charges.

You don´t understand: you have to overcome fiction, not friction.

[takhslambos]

for me hung is telling the TRUE and is willing to help.

[Qiaozhi]

Dear administrator ,

Do you remenber this Skeptic Member who was Call MAX ?

You know Max the famous CLOWN of Geotech always ready to joke and send Nakked girl on post ?

Always ready to send silly picture ( that is your words ) and for Max The clown you was not so relluctant.

So dear administrator on this forum theire is two ways .

One for the skeptic ( the good guys ) one for the LRL user's ( the bad guy's or the jerk).

That is the way you do on this forum and of course it'is absolutly unfair.

:nono:
Still side-stepping the question? :rolleyes:

Ii is patently obvious that you have no intention of performing the test ... because you already know the answer. Of course, the rod will not move by itself as it requires unconscious movements of the operator's hand. i.e. the ideomotor effect. To admit this would mean that you have to admit your gadget is a dowsing rod.

And as for quoting an old text as proof of map dowsing (probably written before 1852) ... no comment. You are fighting a losing battle.

[luciano furtado]

Still side-stepping the question? :rolleyes:

Ii is patently obvious that you have no intention of performing the test ... because you already know the answer. Of course, the rod will not move by itself as it requires unconscious movements of the operator's hand. i.e. the ideomotor effect. To admit this would mean that you have to admit your gadget is a dowsing rod.

And as for quoting an old text as proof of map dowsing (probably written before 1852) ... no comment. You are fighting a losing battle.

Not understand what I have to be Radiesthesia with the theme of this forum?? ¨ Mineoro FG90 IN Action ·
GO BACK AND AGAIN FOR THAT Radiesthesia and mill around hehehehe ...

[hung]

Not understand what I have to be Radiesthesia with the theme of this forum?? ¨ Mineoro FG90 IN Action ·
GO BACK AND AGAIN FOR THAT Radiesthesia and mill around hehehehe ...

I agree. I started this thread for gaucho1961's video and now people are talking about dowsing. It was hijacked.

Well, Mr. Administrator please do your job and create your thread about dowsing here, or whatever and keep this forum a little less confusing.

As a sidenote, I made an incorrect statement. The Examiner can rotate without the need that the operator moves it or walks. This is when the device is in autoscan mode. With the hand still, it rotates. Maybe Gibbon's MFD do the same.

Regards and please move this to another thread if necessary.

[Qiaozhi]

Not understand what I have to be Radiesthesia with the theme of this forum?? ¨ Mineoro FG90 IN Action ·
GO BACK AND AGAIN FOR THAT Radiesthesia and mill around hehehehe ...

I agree. I started this thread for gaucho1961's video and now people are talking about dowsing. It was hijacked.
Actually, it was gibon who went off-topic in post #61, when he posted a video of his dowsing rod and proceeded to insist that it wasn't dowsing. After that you added comments concerning Rangertell and OKM Bionic 01, plus contributed to the dowsing nonsense.

Please try to stay on topic and continue debating the erratic beeping behavior of the Mineoro devices. If gibon wants to discuss his dowsing rod, then he should start a separate thread.

[hung]

continue debating the erratic beeping behavior of the Mineoro devices.

:lol:

See? I tend to agree with Gibbon. You are not an administrator.
You are just a biased thread manipulator.

Copyrights to JudiH from TNET.

[J_Player]

I agree. I started this thread for gaucho1961's video and now people are talking about dowsing. It was hijacked.

Well, Mr. Administrator please do your job and create your thread about dowsing here, or whatever and keep this forum a little less confusing.

As a sidenote, I made an incorrect statement. The Examiner can rotate without the need that the operator moves it or walks. This is when the device is in autoscan mode. With the hand still, it rotates. Maybe Gibbon's MFD do the same.

Regards and please move this to another thread if necessary.Dr. hung is also an expert now on how the Geotech forum should be run? :shocked:
Dr. hung is not concerned about his thread getting hijacked, he is concerned about how he can hijack the Geotech Remote Sensing forum!

Dr. hung:
Perhaps you should read the forum rules before you beg administrators to change the way they conduct the Remote Sensing forum:


Rules are still simple:

You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.
Now take a look at rule #3.
Be factual If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.
We see you have not been factual, and have been making exraordinary claims for several years now.

How have you prepared for the challenges you are expected to get per the rules of this forum?
Have you prepared by whining about the challenges, rather than offering substantial evidence to show your extraordinary claims are factual?

Think back:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/report.php?p=91456 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/report.php?p=91456)

I asked:
"Can you explain your own ideas and experiences with gold that might convince Qiaozhi or the rest of us forum readers that gold has DNA that produces a substance to protect it?"

Your answer:
"This is a private survey I'm involved.
I have absolutely no interest whasoever in discussing it or convincing anyone about it. But even if I did have... no, I beleive I would not be able to convince you or some skeptics here and I doubt it that I would ever be.
Too many other aspects involved which 'conventional' science still has no data. Sorry.
Gotta go now".

In a later post, you whined to the administrators that you don't want to explain these gold DNA principles, asking them to make people stop asking you for proof.
We see you have no intention to substantiate your HungScience. You expect people to believe whatever you say simply because you say it is so. You want to ignore the rules for this forum, then make up your own rules and demand the administrators use your rules instead of the rules you already agreed to.

This would be pretty cool if administrators listened to your whining. Think about it...
You could fill the best technical metal detecting forum in the world with loads of false information that casual readers may think is actually true. We would then be reading more reports from people wanting to know how they can get their money back from unscrupulous LRL promoters because nobody told them they don't work, or that they should prepare to be scammed at the factory demonstration. Then I suppose you would be among the two or three people sending instructions of new things to try to get their LRL to work before we never hear from the disenhearted LRL victims again. I doubt this is the scenario Carl had in mind when he opened the Remote Sensing forum.

I haven't seen any sign of the Geotech administrators repealing thier idea of how the rules are implemened, or reverting to your idea of what rules you would rather have. We see your response to challenges is to try to get adminstrators to stop people from making challenges when they read BS spewing from you, rather than to explain how your extraordinary HungScience works. This is not a forum dedicated to advertising non-working LRLs that leave buyers whining that they got cheated after reading amazing stories of treasure found with expensive junk that doesn't work. It is a technical forum where real science is accepted, and fake BS is challenged. Yet you expect the administrators at Geotech to make special exceptions to the rules that apply only to you. Why do you want to change the Geotech forum into the Tnet forum?

I have a feeling your dreams will not come true for the Geotech forum.
Just as your dreams will not come true that educated people will begin to believe your fake HungScience of how things work:

Dr. hung's idea of how science works:
1. Voltage is a flow that is controlled by current. (EEs should write this down so you don't forget). Ask John Bedini if you don't believe it.
2. IR energy is not absorbed by the surface of the earth - there is no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or striking the surface of the earth. So if you feel the earth surface get warm in the sun, rest assured IR has nothing to do with radiant IR energy from the sun.
3. The principle of the RangerTell working is resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned. If you can't find any transmitting equipment inside an Examiner, or if you think RF carrier signals are not propagated by "shooting" and "returning", then you must learn Dr. hung's new, imporved science so you too can be smart.
4. Gold DNA produces a substance that coats the surface to prevent oxidation. I suppose this substance would be very valuable as a corrosion inhibitor. But I wasn't able to find any of it on the surface of gold. However, you can still get rich by simply getting the gold to multiply. Since the genetic code of gold is kept in its DNA, it will be able to reporduce itself with RNA and other protiens that allow new gold cells to grow more new gold, making you rich. I wonder what you should use for food to help gold grow.

It's all a crock of BS, and you know it.
Only an ignorant or severely retarded person would believe this crap without hearing some convincing evidence that it is true.
How much more BS do we find in your forum posts that are really are made-up ficional things you read in fairy tale stories, or saw at a movie?

Best wishes,
J_P

p.s. Administrators: I tried to stay on the topic of "erratic beeping behavior of the Mineoro devices". But it became apparent that the functioning of the Mineoro was explained by Dr. hung with his principles of HungScience in many of his previous posts. Since he started this thread, I think his reasoning for how the Mineoro locators work and his lack of substantial explanations of the science behind them is pertinent.

[Funfinder]

Guys, the solution why alot of you have no luck with LRLs or other metal detectors is very simple:

You don't bring enough or any sacrifices to the treasure-protection gods or spirits of the earth!

http://www.multiupload.com/LOMF0CI05M

Kill some Lama and bury the still pounding and warm heart in the soil, shed some strong booze over the ground and pray for assistance! Try it! :D

I was really astonished as I saw this report from Equador and the Carneval there, because there exists the same ritual with the booze with emerald-hunting in the austrian mountains.


Well, if you prefer the more scientific method, there also is a very simple solution:

Just go to some successful LRL user and accompany him while detecting.


Hello?!

This is no ghost hunt - we are talking about existing metal objects!

And how to proof if the detector works or not.

btw. where is the whole enthusiasm ?????

WOW - how amazing is THIS ?!!
A long range detector!!!
What a perfect invention!
Soon I will become rich!
I must have such a fantastic device! :D :D :D :D :D


No, some guys prefer to destroy any enthusiam, while it would be so simple:

Try before buy:
Mineoro sends you the LRL and you can test it for one week for 100 dollars. The device is insuranced and the contract forces the test-person to send the unit back after one week in one piece and "working", otherwise he has to keep it and pay the full price.

The other possibility is organizing some treasure safari:

Mineoro is interrested getting alot happy customers and mouth-propagation so they should organize some low cost journey that is guided by a person, which works successfully with the Mineoro.

Now everyone can try by itself and can test if he gets the same positive find-results as the guide.


btw.:
Is it so complicated finding out the truth? Why Mineoro still exists if they really would only rip of the people and sell not working stuff?

Especially in Brazil you have to be very careful what you're doing or you end up with some bullet in your brain very fast. They simply cannot afford cheating people that invest thousands of dollars into something they want it really pays of!

It has to work or the producers and Co-workers would have been killed since a very long time!


btw. my opinion is that for shure those who say that the Mineoro really works should post here open and not switch to private message or email.

Here is the chance for defending and prove it really works, or do you have something to hide?

Of course you are self to blame if come up with unprofessional and doubtful material like this dowsing device that cannot move on its own and random beeps in an area that is full of other metal and electrostatic forces!

Why you don't go out in some wood or field, let bury some gold object by an other person and after this find it, with videocamera on!?

Convincing the not without good reason sceptical people here could bring Mineoro alot of new customers and money, but you have to make it trustworthy and so everyone can really accept what he sees or hears!

btw. dear Mineoro-Non Believers:
Why you don't ask some criminal investigator what would be the best way proofing once and for all if the Mineoro works or not? Because such people know how to bring light in obscure scenes and how to finding the truth by even very small traces. This stupid internet-small talk here will bring you no reliable answers at all. This is just entertainment because there is no serious information provided. But we need reliable information and if hung, esteban or gibon fail with their convincing information or making non-scientific or doubtful statements it's all in vain!

This stupid discussion will go on for ever and a day if no serious investigation and information search is made!

btw. what we need is a clear understandable and reliable working metal detection device and posting about pendulum over landmaps using monks are completly contra-productive! The same way you could use witch-boards or ghost-channeling and all this occult stuff.

I really can understand why some people here get so exagerrated here if such kind of "arguments" come up.

Because this a technical forum and not esoteric. btw. the most of LRLs are technical devices that's why it's possible to find out what circuits or detection methods they're using.


Come on, with Mineoro working guys:
Convince us with serious test-reports or invite some of us going with you on some treasure hunt and use serious explanation and demonstration methods! If you like your Mineoro LRL and if you want to help the creators of it you should find some suitable way for convincing us. You have the chance to be the winner - like I was the winner against WM6 and his purely laughable comments against the Jeohunter! :D Do you want to be the winners or the loosers? You can choose, and please don't think this forum has made some conspiracy against you. :lol: :lol:

For shure not!

But serious and scientific understandable information, tests and recreatable results are needed if you wanna win! :)

[gibon]

Now you're promoting map dowsing. :???: That's just unbelievable, even for you. Where is the science in that?


:shrug:

So let's go back to the THREAD

[J_Player]

:shrug:

So let's go back to the THREAD Good idea.
Since this thread is dominated by Dr hung's science, let's see how it works in relation to the treasure site that Gaucho1961 found.
We see that the science of treasure hunting hung style can be enhanced by map dowsing:
gaucho1961 has just sent me an email from a lanhouse distant some 15 miles from the site. He was there checking his emailbox as I have sent him dowsed pictures of the location scanned by folks from the TNET dowsing forum.

He said to have already taken some video shots and also have used the center & deep to mark some depths. He provided no further details tough, as he was in a hurry anxiously leaving to the site.
So let's try making Geotech a little more like Tnet and try some map dowsing. Look below and you will see a picture of the site Gaucho1961 is hunting. He doesn't know exactly where the treasure is, and it would be helpful to have some map dowsing assistance. This picture has a 0-10 scale on each side that we can use to identify the dig locations we come up with by map dowsing. For example, the coconut trees are located at coordinates (6.60, 9.15), the center of the dark spot that looks like a lake is at coordinates (6.15, 7.85).

We can dowse this image and post the spot we think Gaucho should dig to find the treasure. This will be in accordance with the kind of scientific approach that Dr. hung uses for treasure hunting. If your pendulum does not point out toward your computer screen, you can print a copy of the image and then dowse it. We can see how well we do at determining the location of the treasure. Maybe you have map dowsing abilities you never knew existed. Maybe you can do better than the Tnet map dowsers. Who knows?
Give it your best shot.

My map dowsing guesses are biased, because I already know where Gaucho thinks there is treasure.
And I have some hunches based on colonial people's habits for burying treasures.
So here is my list of dig locations. What are yours?

(6.60, 9.15) Coconut trees definitely
(8.00, 9.30) Big trees next to old house ruins. Check around every tree trunk there.
(6.10, 9.45) Tree near coconut trees
(6.15, 7.85) Troll that lake. Maybe not the treasure, but should be lots of cool stuff down there.
(8.60, 8.80) I don't know why, but pendulum said dig there.

Isn't this map dowsing fun?

[Funfinder]

Unbeatable J_Player! :lol: :lol: :lol: Very good idea!


This brought me to some very nice idea, too:

(I took your coordination marks, hope it's ok :D )

If web- err win- :D no ehm mapdowsing really works it should be possible finding 2 times (if not the correct...) at least the same spot on the map!

Below is and original selfdrawn map from me, ca. 10-15-1994 and it was already dowsed. My first try finding a treasure at the (below deleted) mark was negative but now I have a much better MD so I could check this location again.

Come on mapdowser - who and wherever you are - if you find the right place and I'm lucky finding the Nazi-Gold there I'll give ya something of it! :D

I know already the "dowsing location" so this is just a test if it's really worth believing in such paranormal talents or not!

Probably no big difference like asking a fortune teller...

[Qiaozhi]

I know already the "dowsing location" so this is just a test if it's really worth believing in such paranormal talents or not!

Probably no big difference like asking a fortune teller...
It's a bit like a "spot the ball" competition. ;)

[Fred]

JP, i feel a strong signal line beginning at [ 0, 0.6 ] on your map...i sense oil ...

[Funfinder]

It's a bit like a "spot the ball" competition. ;)

Directly near "A"! :cool:
We also could play "Hot or Cold" - if the treasure heats up the ground... or even better: Minesweeper! :D

btw. there exists already trekking and offroad GPS devices that can store the way you've been going on the internal map - through the wilderness with your Mineoro perhaps - and later could be perfectly used as evidence that it really lead you to some treasure site.

[Fred]

It's a bit like a "spot the ball" competition. ;)
Qiaozhi, i am sorry that after all those centuries you don´t realize that THERE IS NO BALL on that picture !
Regular technology balls are obsolete from ages ago. If you knew what i know (but that i cant explain), you would be amazed how new balls technology is ahead, in comparison.
Anyway, for some, future is into rods :razz:

[Qiaozhi]

Qiaozhi, i am sorry that after all those centuries you don´t realize that THERE IS NO BALL on that picture !
Regular technology balls are obsolete from ages ago. If you knew what i know (but that i cant explain), you would be amazed how new balls technology is ahead, in comparison.
Anyway, for some, future is into rods :razz:
In fact, the answer is none of the above ... A, B, C, D or E.
The location of the ball is at X.

If you can imagine the players carrying L-rods ... well, you get the idea. :lol:

[takhslambos]

nice ? and?

[Geo]

nice ? and?

There is not and :lol::lol:

Regards

[J_Player]

In fact, the answer is none of the above ... A, B, C, D or E.
The location of the ball is at X.

If you can imagine the players carrying L-rods ... well, you get the idea. :lol:Ummm....
So about this ball....
Is it a round ball or a square ball?
And, more importantly, what is it made of? Gold?
Is it in an iron box?
Did they disguise it as grass? :nerd:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Ummm....
So about this ball....
Is it a round ball or a square ball?
And, more importantly, what is it made of? Gold?
Is it in an iron box?
Did they disguise it as grass? :nerd:

Best wishes,
J_P
The reason you cannot see it is because it's a micro-ball. Although, due to Heizenberg's Uncertainty Principle, it doesn't have a defined shape, and whenever you try to determine it's location, it appears to be somewhere else. Some people think that inter-dimensional creatures move the micro-balls around to purposely confuse the entities who live in the 3D world, but no proof has been found to support this theory. Also, you need to very careful when searching for micro-balls, as you can be arrested for quantum tunneling without a license.

[gibon]

So !!!

http://30.img.v4.skyrock.net/30d/rubenbarbosa/pics/1494734366.jpg

And ?

[luciano furtado]

Waiting for results of research and new videos???
with fg80, fg90 ...
Be realistic and not be skeptic ... hehehe...

[WesP]

He's still digging!!!:angry: If the the FG90 says it's here it must be down here somewhere.....:lol:

13002

[Qiaozhi]

So !!!

http://30.img.v4.skyrock.net/30d/rubenbarbosa/pics/1494734366.jpg

And ?
Have you come back to answer the question?

Here's a reminder ->
If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?

[takhslambos]

the point is that the only long range gold locator that is working is mineoro fg 90.any other opinion?

[gibon]

:razz:

[gibon]

Take it easy My friend

We said that was not the topic of these thread.

I shall post a thread on a TH trial wich I've done this summer. ( on the ground! )

No worry I shall answear's you soon.

What a strange administrator you are Qiaozhi.On other post on the wrong subject PFFF !!!! :D

http://medias.lepost.fr/ill/2009/12/07/h-3-1041538-1260206369.jpg

Good Boy

[gibon]

Have you come back to answer the question?

Here's a reminder ->
If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?



Take it easy My friend

We said that was not the topic of these thread.

I shall post a thread on a TH trial wich I've done this summer. ( on the ground! )

No worry I shall answear's you soon.

What a strange administrator you are Qiaozhi.On other post on the wrong subject PFFF !!!! :D

http://medias.lepost.fr/ill/2009/12/07/h-3-1041538-1260206369.jpg

Good Boy

[WM6]

I shall post a thread on a TH trial wich I've done this summer. ( on the ground! )

No worry I shall answear's you soon.




Hi gibon

if you wish to go on real dowsing - go on this:

http://www.squidoo.com/panning-for-gold

(thanks Doug)

[gibon]

Hi gibon

if you wish to go on real dowsing - go on this:

http://www.squidoo.com/panning-for-gold

(thanks Doug)


Thanks again for this really interesting link Wm6.

http://www.fashionflash.fr/media/pouce_leve.jpg
It seem's that Quiaozhi has GOLD FEVER.

I shall post a video on Treasure trial have done this summer with LRL device's soon.

No worry.

Happy prospecting for the real Treasure Hunters.
( not for rough potyatoes guys siting on the chaire facing the Net )

PEACE

[Qiaozhi]

What a strange administrator you are Qiaozhi.On other post on the wrong subject PFFF !!!! :D
Still side-stepping the question then?

In a previous post I asked you to start a new thread if you want to discuss your dowsing rod ... that apparently isn't dowsing :rolleyes:. As you have not done so, then we must continue here.

The question is very simple:
If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?

If you are unable (or unwilling) to provide an answer, then please say so. We can then draw our own conclusions.

[gibon]

Still side-stepping the question then?

In a previous post I asked you to start a new thread if you want to discuss your dowsing rod ... that apparently isn't dowsing :rolleyes:. As you have not done so, then we must continue here.

The question is very simple:
If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works?
What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target?

If you are unable (or unwilling) to provide an answer, then please say so. We can then draw our own conclusions.



OooHHH BOY !!! here we go again.

http://sterileeye.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/gromit_hmv.jpg?w=450


I shall post a new thread no problem !!.

LEAT THE THREAD TO DR HUNG.

[gibon]

http://www.quigif.com/images_gifs/animaux/chiens/chiens%20(106).gif

Gibon and Qiaozhi

[Fred]

gaucho1961 has just sent me an email from a lanhouse distant some 15 miles from the site. He was there checking his emailbox as I have sent him dowsed pictures of the location scanned by folks from the TNET dowsing forum.

He said to have already taken some video shots and also have used the center & deep to mark some depths. He provided no further details tough, as he was in a hurry anxiously leaving to the site.
So, any news?
I want to see the fg90 in action , after all.

[luciano furtado]

So, any news?
I want to see the fg90 in action , after all.

Hi Fred
it will take to see the functioning of fg90 are adapting a new component to increase the general gain and improve the directivity
a flux capacitor, will act as a time machine too
hehehe ....

[gibon]

:)

[takhslambos]

there is any more video with mineoro?SPECIALY WITH MINEORO DC 2008?

[takhslambos]

any member hade a video with mineoro dc 2008 to sent it to me?or to post it here?

[takhslambos]

my email is: koykoynas1@yahoo.gr

[luciano furtado]

TIC...TAC...TIC...TAC...
HEHEHE...

[Fred]

there is any more video with mineoro?SPECIALY WITH MINEORO DC 2008?


Don´t worry Hung will PM you soon, if not done already.

[luciano furtado]

Some new video of their findings gaucho!!!

[rrezi]

need help with jeohunter. please mail me: mc_laren_slt@hotmail.com

[takhslambos]

Some new video of their findings gaucho!!!WHAT ABOUT THE MINEORO CH 300 ??? YOU TEST IT?

[J_Player]

WHAT ABOUT THE MINEORO CH 300 ??? YOU TEST IT?The Mineoro HC300 long range locator will not detect at long range in Southern Brazil at this time because of high humidity.
The humidity in Southeast Brazil has been 94% for some time, and will probably continue at least through the next few days.
We must wait until the humidity drops below 35% before tests for long range can be made.

Maybe some metal detector tests can be made while we wait for the proper Mineoro weather.

Best wishes,
J_P

[luciano furtado]

HI friend player j
I did some tests here at home with him soon I'll make more field tests and I am a little time here in my area as you know the humid air is very high, with more moisture, or not going out for field testing.
Of the tests I did here detected the tv to 4 feet and a battery discharge and three meters but this does not mean that detect gold beneath the soil
hahahaha ...
Cotinuarei tests here soon thanks derei more news ...

[takhslambos]

HI friend player j
I did some tests here at home with him soon I'll make more field tests and I am a little time here in my area as you know the humid air is very high, with more moisture, or not going out for field testing.
Of the tests I did here detected the tv to 4 feet and a battery discharge and three meters but this does not mean that detect gold beneath the soil
hahahaha ...
Cotinuarei tests here soon thanks derei more news ...
you detect the tv at 4 feet and the battery charger at 3 metres????are you sure???

[luciano furtado]

you detect the tv at 4 feet and the battery charger at 3 metres????are you sure???

Detected the tv to 4 meters and a short circuit in a stack 3 meters ok
thanks

[J_Player]

you detect the tv at 4 feet and the battery charger at 3 metres????are you sure???A spark is detected from 3 meters.
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[J_Player]

Hey... we're getting off topic!
This thread started with a report of Gaucho1961 hunting treasure with his Mineoro FG90 locator.
Now we are debating about proper conditions to make videos of the performance of an HC300 locator.
Isn't it time to get back to the FG90?

So what happened in the Gaucho1961 expedition?
The last we heard, was Aug 17, hung reported Gaucho1961
gaucho1961 has just sent me an email from a lanhouse distant some 15 miles from the site. He was there checking his emailbox as I have sent him dowsed pictures of the location scanned by folks from the TNET dowsing forum.

He said to have already taken some video shots and also have used the center & deep to mark some depths. He provided no further details tough, as he was in a hurry anxiously leaving to the site. I haven't read any further reports on what happened to Gaucho1961.
So what happened?
Did he drown in the lake?
Was he killed by bandits on the way?
Did he find fabulous treasure?

We get one hint from WesP on Aug 19: He's still digging!!!:angry: If the the FG90 says it's here it must be down here somewhere.....:lol:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13002&d=1282239201
Ok, but that was more than a week ago.
Since there are no more reports coming, I decided to use a scientific method to determine what happened to Gaucho1961.
I dug out my map of Gaucho1961's treasure map to see if I could dowse the answers. But wait till you see what I found!

My map does not look the same as when I first printed it. It has changed through mysterious and mystical means.
Radesthesia really works!

In fact, I don't need to dowse this map image at all. I can see what has happened to Gaucho1961.
Of course, the land owner's farm is no longer here, and no more historical ruins of the original farm house.
But as soon as the rain stops they can pump out the lake at the bottom and recover the treasure.
Maybe now is a good time to start pumping. Or maybe a Minelab Excalibur will work.

I wouldn't believe this map dowsing stuff works if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, and if Dr. hung hadn't proved that it works scientifically.

Best wishes,
J_P

[gibon]

Dear Mr Gaucho,

everybody is waiting for !!

Happy propsecting

Gibon


P.S : Sorry luciano i took your picture but it was too good.




http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13012&stc=1&d=1282341910

[takhslambos]

A spark is detected from 3 meters.
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whith what mineoro? mineoro fg 90?

[J_Player]

whith what mineoro? mineoro fg 90?No, not the FG90. This is the detection you asked from Luciano and he told you he found with the Mineoro HC300.

Best wishes,
J_P

[gaucho1961]

Hello everyone! :)
I would like to thank the opportunity, I'm sorry for not posting before and to report on my research, I'm working a lot and no time to write to you all, but I've put together quickly post in all forums of various sites.
I'm in a war against the weather, the rain is bad for continuing with my work.
The only good days they did here, I could not go and finish the work started.
All symptoms of the research site suggest that there is something buried, which is I do not know.
I'm looking forward as much as you, but I can only give segment if the weather forecast to help me.
We are living in the winter here, and in southern Brazil is very cold and rainy this time, and the humidity is very high.
The land is waterlogged, and is bad digging.
The last opportunity I had to dig, I managed to leave the hole with 2.20 mtrs. depth, and with 1mtr wide and 2.50 long.
As the soil is too wet, I'll leave a little dry to resume digging.
The GF continues to beep at the site.
Now something intressante it all: other points that the dowser's marked on my map FG is beeping .... I'm impressed.
I want to save time and start another hole marked by the FG and the dowser's, so wipe a little water hole that exists in the video.
I want you to understand that Brazil is in an election campaign to elect a new president, deputies and senators, and I work with a soundtrack and jingles for television and radio and that is why I'm working hard and I can not leave to travel and continue with my research.
Once I get back, I promise to give all information about the survey and show the videos that prove the existence or not of gold on the spot.
Please wait a little longer.
I believe it will be worth the wait...

Note:
If I'm doing this is so everyone can draw their conclusions and doubts about this type of detectors.
I want to be clear and know that the Mineoro never gave me anything for free, or let me borrow anything, or sponsored any of my searches.
I always paid my money detectors that I have this brand.
So I have no link with this tag detectors, I simply use the FG and the RX / TX Mineoro for thinking that they can facilitate my research.
The video in question is my responsibility and produced by me, edited by me and also no link with the factory Mineoro.:nono:
If they are earning money at the expense of this video, is a consequence that I can not avoid, and they are happy with this money, I do not care or want anything from them because they do not need handouts for my hobby, my joys and Amusement paid with my money.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________

Another thing:

I had a HC30 and sold to buy my GF.
I noticed that they asked the Luciano shoot a test with the HC300.
I have a field test done with the gold plate that came with the FG.
This field test was prepared according to the instructions that come in the user manual, and is mounted to one year and two months.
The last time I tested it beeped at a distance of ten meters, had the sun and the day was hot.
The next time I go on site I can shoot and display the test in the test field, this is real and it really works, I can not deny.
If they want to look I can do the filming.




A big hug to everyone and thank you.

[detectoman]

3.0 mts deep buried? mm, i think here no exist any treasure, may be detect the heating mineral particules or any piezo electronic mechanism's watch of yours friends

[gaucho1961]

Detectoman Dear Friend,

I have to take into account that I found this hole, five feet of land for new landfill.
He is with 2.20 meters in depth, rather than 3 meters as you mentioned.
Now that I found the earth's natural place.
So I do not want to discourage.
I will announce any site activity, only I want time to get digging, do not hide anything, show the whole process.
I'm working and I can not post anything else for now.

Big hug and thank you!

[J_Player]

Hello everyone! :)
I would like to thank the opportunity, I'm sorry for not posting before and to report on my research, I'm working a lot and no time to write to you all, but I've put together quickly post in all forums of various sites.
I'm in a war against the weather, the rain is bad for continuing with my work.
The only good days they did here, I could not go and finish the work started.
All symptoms of the research site suggest that there is something buried, which is I do not know.
I'm looking forward as much as you, but I can only give segment if the weather forecast to help me.
We are living in the winter here, and in southern Brazil is very cold and rainy this time, and the humidity is very high.
The land is waterlogged, and is bad digging.
The last opportunity I had to dig, I managed to leave the hole with 2.20 mtrs. depth, and with 1mtr wide and 2.50 long.
As the soil is too wet, I'll leave a little dry to resume digging.
The GF continues to beep at the site.
Now something intressante it all: other points that the dowser's marked on my map FG is beeping .... I'm impressed.
I want to save time and start another hole marked by the FG and the dowser's, so wipe a little water hole that exists in the video.
I want you to understand that Brazil is in an election campaign to elect a new president, deputies and senators, and I work with a soundtrack and jingles for television and radio and that is why I'm working hard and I can not leave to travel and continue with my research.
Once I get back, I promise to give all information about the survey and show the videos that prove the existence or not of gold on the spot.
Please wait a little longer.
I believe it will be worth the wait...

Note:
If I'm doing this is so everyone can draw their conclusions and doubts about this type of detectors.
I want to be clear and know that the Mineoro never gave me anything for free, or let me borrow anything, or sponsored any of my searches.
I always paid my money detectors that I have this brand.
So I have no link with this tag detectors, I simply use the FG and the RX / TX Mineoro for thinking that they can facilitate my research.
The video in question is my responsibility and produced by me, edited by me and also no link with the factory Mineoro.:nono:
If they are earning money at the expense of this video, is a consequence that I can not avoid, and they are happy with this money, I do not care or want anything from them because they do not need handouts for my hobby, my joys and Amusement paid with my money.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________

Another thing:

I had a HC30 and sold to buy my GF.
I noticed that they asked the Luciano shoot a test with the HC300.
I have a field test done with the gold plate that came with the FG.
This field test was prepared according to the instructions that come in the user manual, and is mounted to one year and two months.
The last time I tested it beeped at a distance of ten meters, had the sun and the day was hot.
The next time I go on site I can shoot and display the test in the test field, this is real and it really works, I can not deny.
If they want to look I can do the filming.




A big hug to everyone and thank you.Hi Gauco1961,
Thank you for taking time for making videos. I like to see real videos of treasure hunting like you make. I know the weather is not good for your detector, but we will see what you find, and how the beeps sound. It will be good to hear beeps from long distance before you begin more digging so we can hear the sounds from long range. And also it will be interesting to see videos as the hole is made deeper, and to see what is found. If treasure is not found, this is not a problem, but I am hoping you find good treasure from deep in the ground. I will like to see the treasure taken out of the ground and opened, so we can see the first look at what is found. This will be an excellent video for all to watch. I think it is worth the waiting for a good time to make the recovery.

Some time later after the recovery is made, I will also be interested to see your video of the FG90 detecting the gold plate from long distance when there is good weather at your test field.

Thank you again for taking the time for making your videos. :)
Best wishes,
J_P

[gaucho1961]

J Player - Thanks for the encouragement, I will do my best to lessen the doubts about the long-distance detection.
I am here just to post this picture to illustrate my previous comment.
Thanks again

[hung]

My bet: gold veins.
You should reach the initial concentration veins at around 30-40 feet down. Encouraged to continue?
Use the c&d to determine how much deeper it is.
If nothing at 7-10 more feet, chances for a treasure falls dramatically. Proceed trying to keep the same width of the hole to not compromise its structure.

Suggestion: When weather sets, investigate right away the mapdowsed points where the device beeps. They might be treasure and also shallower.

Will try to talk to you today.
Best.

[Morgan]

3.0 mts deep buried? mm, i think here no exist any treasure, may be detect the heating mineral particules or any piezo electronic mechanism's watch of yours friends


This is also my opinion,but lets see more of this episode...

[Morgan]

My bet: gold veins.
You should reach the initial concentration veins at around 30-40 feet down. Encouraged to continue?
Use the c&d to determine how much deeper it is.
If nothing at 7-10 more feet, chances for a treasure falls dramatically. Proceed trying to keep the same width of the hole to not compromise its structure.

Suggestion: When weather sets, investigate right away the mapdowsed points where the device beeps. They might be treasure and also shallower.

Will try to talk to you today.
Best.


Dear Hung

I can see you are very active Treasure Hunter,and work most of the times with MINEORO equipment. Did you already found anything valuable with mineoro LRL ?
I´m interested to know law in Brazil about people who found treasures,is aloud to search out of archeological places ?

Regards

[detectoman]

dear friend, take all in possibilites, may be an nugget of silver or gold or cuper incrsutate in the trees, or too, any medical marcapasos for heart of your friends
see posibilites of near any hig tension lines to distance
take caution any anten rf near, try whit other distinct mineoro
everything, the soil no removed is sign of not human activity but little natural nuggets, try whit others detectors
an embrace my friends all all allllllllllllllsssssssssssssssss

[detectoman]

the programable cellular emit frecuences take all in possibilites, incluyde any platinum barr in bodies of persons whit gold in toohts
the dm lrl are extreme sesitive and gave very much errors
embraceeeeeeeeeeeeeee my championsssssssssss

[Fred]

Dear Hung

I can see you are very active Treasure Hunter,and work most of the times with MINEORO equipment. Did you already found anything valuable with mineoro LRL ?
I´m interested to know law in Brazil about people who found treasures,is aloud to search out of archeological places ?

Regards

This will bring you a shower of PM´s :lol:

[detectoman]

please brother, stop these hole, may be new mineoro detect an market jewerly in other extreme of planet

[takhslambos]

is some one from greece used any mineoro at GREECE???? to tell if they working here.thanks theodore from greece.....................

[Morgan]

This will bring you a shower of PM´s :lol:

No,not even the answer ...
Still waithing...

[Morgan]

J Player - Thanks for the encouragement, I will do my best to lessen the doubts about the long-distance detection.
I am here just to post this picture to illustrate my previous comment.
Thanks again



Well,it seems another EMPTY HOLE ...
So,where is the FG 90 performance,wher is the GOLD ?
Probably the beeps was erratic becouse of mineralization,and that´s all...
Tell the man to stop dig,hole is to big already ;)

[gibon]

Well,it seems another EMPTY HOLE ...
So,where is the FG 90 performance,wher is the GOLD ?
Probably the beeps was erratic becouse of mineralization,and that´s all...
Tell the man to stop dig,hole is to big already ;)


Yes Margan :D

[putrechigi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCboUui1AY&feature=related
i don't know if you wtched this or not

[Qiaozhi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCboUui1AY&feature=related
i don't know if you wtched this or not
This has already been posted and discussed in another thread,

[Morgan]

Yes Margan :D


Hello Gibon

I see you have also the DC 2008. Thats great,i supose we can find faraway treasures with this LRL,but until now i have my reservations about the real performance on this MINEORO. When i find some kind of treasure or gold object with accurate pinpoint (same as in mineoro factory tests) using my DC 2008 ,i will post here all the report about it,i know you will do the same as a good forum member ;)

For now i stay absolutly quiet ...

Regards

[Morgan]

My bet: gold veins.
You should reach the initial concentration veins at around 30-40 feet down. Encouraged to continue?
Use the c&d to determine how much deeper it is.
If nothing at 7-10 more feet, chances for a treasure falls dramatically. Proceed trying to keep the same width of the hole to not compromise its structure.

Suggestion: When weather sets, investigate right away the mapdowsed points where the device beeps. They might be treasure and also shallower.

Will try to talk to you today.
Best.

Hey Hung

If i decide to go for Brazil searching for my ancestral portuguese galeons in your ocean,how is the law in your country ? Is it aloud to search ?
My searching instrument will be PD,DC 2008,and of course the side scan sonar ;-)
I have diving license (american PADI).
Well,the problem is,i dont like sharks,so you can dive first to have a look around on the shipwreck.

Hope to ear from you.

Regards

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[takhslambos]

i have two weeks now the mineoro fg 79.i make many tests and i think is working.i will tell you details of my tests at the next days.

[Morgan]

i have two weeks now the mineoro fg 79.i make many tests and i think is working.i will tell you details of my tests at the next days.


Hope your results will be better than the Gaucho empty hole results...

[Morgan]

i have two weeks now the mineoro fg 79.i make many tests and i think is working.i will tell you details of my tests at the next days.


And i´m very happy that was not me who sold to you the Mineoro FG 79. So,the complains go to other one ;)

Regards and happy hunting

[gibon]

Hello Gibon

I see you have also the DC 2008. Thats great,i supose we can find faraway treasures with this LRL,but until now i have my reservations about the real performance on this MINEORO. When i find some kind of treasure or gold object with accurate pinpoint (same as in mineoro factory tests) using my DC 2008 ,i will post here all the report about it,i know you will do the same as a good forum member ;)

For now i stay absolutly quiet ...

Regards



Hello My dear friend,

i'm feeling anxioux. if you remeber I'm on trial of an templari T . This area is far from my house in the mountaine. I 've passed all my holidays surching with my LR devices.

Now at end of summer season I just heard about a cave near the forteresse I was looking for. I've been investigating near around and I heard about a priest who was leaving there in the XII century.

So maybe what I surch is deep underground in cave but i didn't knew about it.

So i go back this Week end and you can imagine how i feel .

Now I can't take Dc2008 because too much humidity. The device is too big also and too heavy. I'm gone take rod and generator may be I shall use Night vision Goggle I remember a post with a laser and such device.
I'gone try
http://acatte.perso.neuf.fr/_borders/Etna_grotte-Tre-Livelli-vue-large.jpg


http://www.rugift.com/images/night-vision-goggles-nzt-22.jpg

Best souvenir to all member's and happy prospecting.

good luck :)

GIBON

[Funfinder]

Could it be some of you guys give it all up much too soon?!

Oh perhaps there are goldveins very deep below that "wasted" hole near the coconut-trees and this was it now?

What's with the center & deep measure?

Go there and measure exactly how deep the treasure is if there is something!

With such "half" treasure-hunts you'r doing noone a favour! Not Mineoro and not us who wanna know the truth!

And don't tell me the weather or other circumstances always makes it impossible going and searching there!

You have to insist in things if you really want to reach something in life.

And we wanna reach some kind of "scientific proven" positive or negative test-result how good or bad the Mineoro or any other LRL works.

So please keep up the good work, if you don't know how to measure the depth find out how this works and/or get the needed stuff and check out again what made the Mineoro signalizing and leading you to this place.


How else will you ever find treasures with this kind of detector if you abandon your possible finds at the half way of discovery???

[takhslambos]

my mineoro fg 79 so far working perfect.

[Morgan]

my mineoro fg 79 so far working perfect.


And wath you found ???

Did you try Mineoro FG 79 in the place of the lost Treasure ???

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[WM6]

my mineoro fg 79 so far working perfect.



There are not doubt that it is working perfect.
The only weak point of fg79 is - that it cannot find nothing.

[takhslambos]

There are not doubt that it is working perfect.
The only weak point of fg79 is - that it cannot find nothing.
let my now better my friend i test it every day.dont worry i will tell you the true.not because i m smarter of you but because i have the mineoro fg 79 and i test it every day in all wether coditions.you speaking theoretical but me make real test at the open field.

[gaucho1961]

Hello friends, sorry for my delay in returning and posting.
I have worked hard and could not get out more, but now we are entering the summer, the weather starts to improve, become more dry, and I'll start out in search of more research sites, and so I can post updates of my research, but without many details ok!
As I promised, I made a video of my FG90 in a field test.
Hope you enjoy, discuss, analyze and draw their conclusions.
Remember that this video is done according to factory recommended, and has no intention of influences one or prove anything to anyone, it is only for purposes of curiosity to see how it works and the GF in a field test.
Too bad I can not show more details of my findings is that the laws here in Brazil is complicated, because anything that might be found buried the federal government wants to confiscate.
For these reasons many do not expose their findings on the internet, for fear of being sued, fined and have their objects confiscated findings. Do you understand what I meant?
Okay, so I need not go into details.
I hope to make good use of video and discuss, bicker, fight, but to reach a consensus. Hahahaha! :lol:
Big hug to all forum members!
Have fun! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70WazLSZiis

____________

[Morgan]

Hello friends, sorry for my delay in returning and posting.
I have worked hard and could not get out more, but now we are entering the summer, the weather starts to improve, become more dry, and I'll start out in search of more research sites, and so I can post updates of my research, but without many details ok!
As I promised, I made a video of my FG90 in a field test.
Hope you enjoy, discuss, analyze and draw their conclusions.
Remember that this video is done according to factory recommended, and has no intention of influences one or prove anything to anyone, it is only for purposes of curiosity to see how it works and the GF in a field test.
Too bad I can not show more details of my findings is that the laws here in Brazil is complicated, because anything that might be found buried the federal government wants to confiscate.
For these reasons many do not expose their findings on the internet, for fear of being sued, fined and have their objects confiscated findings. Do you understand what I meant?
Okay, so I need not go into details.
I hope to make good use of video and discuss, bicker, fight, but to reach a consensus. Hahahaha! :lol:
Big hug to all forum members!
Have fun! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70WazLSZiis

____________


Hi Gaucho

Thanks for answer the question about TH in Brazil. Unfortunatly its not a good country for the hobby,acording the law...

I saw your video with FG90 ,the buried gold test.
Here in my field test the MINEORO not work fine,even with gold buried more than 20 years ago(one medal)...
Here ,the mineoro is not a device that we can trust,results come allways inconclusive...

Regards

[gaucho1961]

That bothers me a lot, wish you had that same feeling I get when I go out with my FG.
I am intrigued by these statements they make, and seeking an answer to this but can not find.
Morgan, and if you were to try another field test, or who knows where irrigation is the medal with water and salt, the same as I did, maybe this active field test.
Did not the kind of land? Lack of minerals on earth?
Global Position?
Buddy, I do not know why it happens ........
As I said earlier, I wish you had the same confidence and feel they have to detect something with his FG, I swear this is my feeling.
How could I help you?
Tell me something I can do that I'll do it for you.
I regulate my FG as follows:
- I point him to the ground
-Increase the Vernier until the moment he starts to beep.
Lower-some units. Example: if he beeped me down with 136 to 134, or fewer units and leaving it sensitive, almost shooting.
Beginning to point and move it, if he alone shoot down some more, 133 or 132, as necessary, but always sought to make it more sensitive as possible.
By moving it, you'll notice that sometimes it does not beep, but you have the direction and position of the site, do not forget to move it always vigorously so that it can capture the sign and direction.
I believe it is.
Morgan, if I can help you with something, tell me ok?
Big hug!

[WM6]

Morgan, if I can help you with something, tell me ok?



Hi gaucho

maybe you can help him by asking mineoro to return his money back.

[hung]

http://www.youtube.com/user/andreasx1958#p/a/u/1/FTd2wBcSUU0

[WM6]

http://www.youtube.com/user/andreasx1958#p/a/u/1/FTd2wBcSUU0



One more goucho funny trick.

Completely loose surface is evidence that the object was hidden just a minute before it was "found".

[Qiaozhi]

http://www.youtube.com/user/andreasx1958#p/a/u/1/FTd2wBcSUU0
Wow! ... I'm amazed! :shocked:

[takhslambos]

That bothers me a lot, wish you had that same feeling I get when I go out with my FG.
I am intrigued by these statements they make, and seeking an answer to this but can not find.
Morgan, and if you were to try another field test, or who knows where irrigation is the medal with water and salt, the same as I did, maybe this active field test.
Did not the kind of land? Lack of minerals on earth?
Global Position?
Buddy, I do not know why it happens ........
As I said earlier, I wish you had the same confidence and feel they have to detect something with his FG, I swear this is my feeling.
How could I help you?
Tell me something I can do that I'll do it for you.
I regulate my FG as follows:
- I point him to the ground
-Increase the Vernier until the moment he starts to beep.
Lower-some units. Example: if he beeped me down with 136 to 134, or fewer units and leaving it sensitive, almost shooting.
Beginning to point and move it, if he alone shoot down some more, 133 or 132, as necessary, but always sought to make it more sensitive as possible.
By moving it, you'll notice that sometimes it does not beep, but you have the direction and position of the site, do not forget to move it always vigorously so that it can capture the sign and direction.
I believe it is.
Morgan, if I can help you with something, tell me ok?
Big hug!
thanks my friend.can you be more specific about the calibration?my mineoro fg 79 hade the old sensitivity botton with no numbers 133 , 134 ,etc,but with numbers from 1 until 5 and betwen the numbers hade only lines.thanks for your help.

[gaucho1961]

Dear Friend,
You'll excuse me, but I understood nothing of their placement, I ask you kindly rephrase your doubts so that I can help you.
What I said is only one example, is not it always will beep with 0134, 0135 or whatever the number is that its paging detector.
For each day, time of day, humidity, weather conditions, soil type, the detector will respond differently, or he will shoot at the time of adjustment in any one figure may be 0035 or 0350 may be, remember if it's just an example I'm talking about.
Hug I know that you have already tried several times to teach regularly.
I've sent him several times to email, the same instructions as your detector regularly, and now I'm in doubt about what you really know about your GF.
I just do not want to be repetitive, and you'll always be going over to the same information, and you always continue with the same questions.
Re-read the previous post and pay close attention to the information, if you follow the step by step, you will notice that there is no secret in the regulation. Watch the video of the field test, it is easy to see and learn, that's the correct way to detect and locate the object's location and direction of gold.
Retrace your doubts I'll try to help again in any way possible .....
Hug!

[Morgan]

That bothers me a lot, wish you had that same feeling I get when I go out with my FG.
I am intrigued by these statements they make, and seeking an answer to this but can not find.
Morgan, and if you were to try another field test, or who knows where irrigation is the medal with water and salt, the same as I did, maybe this active field test.
Did not the kind of land? Lack of minerals on earth?
Global Position?
Buddy, I do not know why it happens ........
As I said earlier, I wish you had the same confidence and feel they have to detect something with his FG, I swear this is my feeling.
How could I help you?
Tell me something I can do that I'll do it for you.
I regulate my FG as follows:
- I point him to the ground
-Increase the Vernier until the moment he starts to beep.
Lower-some units. Example: if he beeped me down with 136 to 134, or fewer units and leaving it sensitive, almost shooting.
Beginning to point and move it, if he alone shoot down some more, 133 or 132, as necessary, but always sought to make it more sensitive as possible.
By moving it, you'll notice that sometimes it does not beep, but you have the direction and position of the site, do not forget to move it always vigorously so that it can capture the sign and direction.
I believe it is.
Morgan, if I can help you with something, tell me ok?
Big hug!


Gaucho,thanks for your information.
Anyway i will make more tests and report results here.

And,did you find something valuable with your Mineoro ?

Regards

[detectoman]

whit mineoro? gaucho, may be find how obtain much patiente

[gaucho1961]

I can have that much luck with search, I have done fantastic discoveries, it is unfortunate that I can not put more details, as I mentioned earlier, the laws here in Brazil are complicated, and if I can stop exposing me hurting with the federal government . Find here all belong to the Government, then the logic is not commenting much, I can say that my findings were always great and generous.
Here in Brazil we had many wars and battles in my area had the colonization of the Jesuits who exploited the Guarani Indians, making them work in gold mining, farming, livestock and precious stones, and coins of the era (1600 - 1787) were made of gold, and gold bars, after expulsion of the Jesuits, they left many buried treasures and hidden to get away alive.
They thought one day go back and rescue many of these treasures, for this they made a map with scripts and inscriptions on stones with markings to locate in the future.
Until the present day are found chests of coins and artifacts of gold and silver in old hollow trees, buried within the walls of caves and ancient churches in the bottom of lakes and rivers.
The south of Brazil where I live, was the front door and escape to Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay Jesuit colonization of, and where the Jesuit priests formed the Seven Peoples Missions, which convert the Indians and exploited financially under the authority of the Company Jesus, sending Spain through to the riches of caravels and nausea.
The Ministry of Finance of the Federal Government admits that there is still tons of gold buried and lost in Brazilian soil, due to colonization and the wars of the Jesuit Cisplatin, War of Tatters, Battle of the Stations and many others, they all just in my state.
So if you think one can just imagine what I have found here ......
The photo is at the end of this post, is a small piece of jewelry with a treasure I found inside an iron pot, 90 cm deep.
Many artifacts such as guns, swords, guns, spears farroupilhas, daggers, personal objects and artifacts, and some jewels I donated to museums in Brazil.
To prove the difficulty of exposing the objects found in Brazil, I put a video of a poor class citizen, the city of Campo Grande, Mato Grosso do Sul, and he was cleaning the courtyard lawn of his house and found 3,851 coins and several dollar bills buried in the courtyard, this finding is being confiscated by the Federal Government, as the citizen said to all his friends who had found a treasure, and was now rich.
He spoke what was not talked too .....!
Warmest regards, and sorry for my english!


Video of the man who found the treasure in the yard of the house, in October 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olaCRpTPahE

[takhslambos]

I can have that much luck with search, I have done fantastic discoveries, it is unfortunate that I can not put more details, as I mentioned earlier, the laws here in Brazil are complicated, and if I can stop exposing me hurting with the federal government . Find here all belong to the Government, then the logic is not commenting much, I can say that my findings were always great and generous.
Here in Brazil we had many wars and battles in my area had the colonization of the Jesuits who exploited the Guarani Indians, making them work in gold mining, farming, livestock and precious stones, and coins of the era (1600 - 1787) were made of gold, and gold bars, after expulsion of the Jesuits, they left many buried treasures and hidden to get away alive.
They thought one day go back and rescue many of these treasures, for this they made a map with scripts and inscriptions on stones with markings to locate in the future.
Until the present day are found chests of coins and artifacts of gold and silver in old hollow trees, buried within the walls of caves and ancient churches in the bottom of lakes and rivers.
The south of Brazil where I live, was the front door and escape to Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay Jesuit colonization of, and where the Jesuit priests formed the Seven Peoples Missions, which convert the Indians and exploited financially under the authority of the Company Jesus, sending Spain through to the riches of caravels and nausea.
The Ministry of Finance of the Federal Government admits that there is still tons of gold buried and lost in Brazilian soil, due to colonization and the wars of the Jesuit Cisplatin, War of Tatters, Battle of the Stations and many others, they all just in my state.
So if you think one can just imagine what I have found here ......
The photo is at the end of this post, is a small piece of jewelry with a treasure I found inside an iron pot, 90 cm deep.
Many artifacts such as guns, swords, guns, spears farroupilhas, daggers, personal objects and artifacts, and some jewels I donated to museums in Brazil.
To prove the difficulty of exposing the objects found in Brazil, I put a video of a poor class citizen, the city of Campo Grande, Mato Grosso do Sul, and he was cleaning the courtyard lawn of his house and found 3,851 coins and several dollar bills buried in the courtyard, this finding is being confiscated by the Federal Government, as the citizen said to all his friends who had found a treasure, and was now rich.
He spoke what was not talked too .....!
Warmest regards, and sorry for my english!


Video of the man who found the treasure in the yard of the house, in October 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olaCRpTPahE
the jewers that you said found with what mineoro ? fg 90? did you found any gold in a iron closed box? or any iron only very old?i m asking because my treasure is gold coins in to a iron box buried about half a meter inside the ground before 70 years.do you think is posibole to locate them with my mineoro fg 79?

[gaucho1961]

Dear Friend,
The jewels were inside an iron pot, the age he was buried I can not say, but I think 150 years or more. This treasure was probably a farmer's family, were not Jesuits. In times of war and battle, farmers hid buried coins, gold bars and jewelry, finally, the entire estate value of the family because the revolutionaries invaded the farms and plundered and stole everything of value the family had to buy weapons and supplies and equip and qualify the revolutionary troops.
If you have a buried treasure to 70 years to less than 1 meter deep, I think I can find it with your FG, just check the humidity, favorable climatic conditions, and be in place or region that is the treasure, do serious research and professional, without haste or nervousness, quietly, not having time to start and not stop if you need to redo the sites, then redo the scan location.
In research dealing with treasures worth, I never use only my FG, I always take along my 2 boxes 08-MI, Bounty Hunter Land Ranger Cz6 Fischer, Whites 600DIpro, ScanMaster 1550 QUAD, and other detectors, Finally, a search for relevant, I use my whole army of detectors and devices.
Do not be deceived by fanciful stories, be skeptical, professional and conscientious, if there is buried treasure where you're researching, and if you do a good scanning the site, you will surely find him, and will.

To find a great treasure, I think so:

- 5% of the story is true.
- 5% of you being in the right place.
- 10% patience, calmness, seriousness, professionalism.
- 80% knowledge of the equipment that you are using, learn to recognize that the detectors are telling you and know exactly decipher them.

Good luck with your search!

" Do not forget that the rush and nervousness are the greatest enemies of good research. "

[takhslambos]

THANKS MY FRIEND.GOOD LUCK.

[Morgan]

http://www.youtube.com/user/andreasx1958#p/a/u/1/FTd2wBcSUU0

Hello Hung

Have a look on YOUTUBE MINEORO FG90 LONG RANGE !!!

It seems Alonso is searching in a forest using one MINEORO. With him we can see some french people and one translater(woman). Aparently Alonso locate one gold target,they dig and found one earing. It looks not a fake video...
Hung,this forest looks to me french territory,do you know if Alonso recently travel to France for MINEORO demonstrations ???
But anyway the distance for this earing is the same with MY PD.

Regards

[Rudy]

http://www.youtube.com/user/andreasx1958#p/a/u/1/FTd2wBcSUU0

Don't you think a metal detector would have found it just as easily? ... and without having to stoop over?

[Morgan]

Hello Hung

Have a look on YOUTUBE MINEORO FG90 LONG RANGE !!!

It seems Alonso is searching in a forest using one MINEORO. With him we can see some french people and one translater(woman). Aparently Alonso locate one gold target,they dig and found one earing. It looks not a fake video...
Hung,this forest looks to me french territory,do you know if Alonso recently travel to France for MINEORO demonstrations ???
But anyway the distance for this earing is the same with MY PD.

Regards

Questions :

1- Is the FG90 one fresh gold detector ,wish locate the gold also out of the ground ?

2-Why the signal desapear some seconds after they remove the ground with the target ? I know is becouse the ionic field vanish,but I ask this becouse the FG90 is the one you told to detect GOLD outside the ground...

3- Why FG90 detect the GOLD earing only 3 or 4 m distance (same as my PD) instead of the 30 or more meters CLAIMED BY MINEORO ???

One member of this french people i know (DETECH SSP seler in France,and TH hobbyst) and i think if there is some trick made by Alonso he will notice...For me the video is not a fake.


Regards

[Morgan]

Don't you think a metal detector would have found it just as easily? ... and without having to stoop over?

What metal detector can locate one small earing 3 meters distance ???

[hung]

He,he,he,he...

Actually I was not going to tell about it as Patricia asked me that. Mineoro's president is traveling and she wishes to wait his return first to disclose the whole case.
Yes, you are right. This is not Brazil.:D
Veeery far actually...
I came to know about it when I talked to my friend at Mineoro and also Patricia this afternoon.

In the video you can see Alonso and Patricia with some french speaking people.
I will respect Patricia's wish and will wait. But it was an amazing trip with a lot of success for Mineoro.
Now answering your questions:

Questions :

1- Is the FG90 one fresh gold detector ,wish locate the gold also out of the ground ?
No. At least not the one I have. But it's very sensitive and selective.

2-Why the signal desapear some seconds after they remove the ground with the target ? I know is becouse the ionic field vanish,but I ask this becouse the FG90 is the one you told to detect GOLD outside the ground...No. I have not said that. Obviously when the portion of ground was removed it started to kill the ionic fields, but as you and I know about it, it will still have some response for a few seconds before complete vanishing.

3- Why FG90 detect the GOLD earing only 3 or 4 m distance (same as my PD) instead of the 30 or more meters CLAIMED BY MINEORO ???It depends on the conditions met and how the device is calibrated. If it's calibrated at the edge of detection it would perfectly beep at that distance, but then you would have to return gain as aproaching. The video is not clear if the signal was detected from afar earlier.
In the DC2008 video with Paulinho at the beach, detection was first made at only 2 meters as he told me. He said the conditions were very bad that day and they had signals only when very close to the object.
Remember the copper tube case I told you right? I got it from 30 meters easily with the PDC. Copper, not gold. And it was not even buried. The piece was lying on the ground. Conditions and location made a lot of difference.

One member of this french people i know (DETECH SSP seler in France,and TH hobbyst) and i think if there is some trick made by Alonso he will notice...For me the video is not a fake.Please Morgan, you know Alonso. Do you think he would make any tricks? You know your device. You know what your german friend found with the PDC recently.
When you will finally quit talking about tricks?
What you saw in the video is what really happened and I feel there will be more videos.

[hung]

What metal detector can locate one small earing 3 meters distance ???

Maybe a whitesgarretfishergazoomba model XXXL scanning its 4 coilheads up front and the operator yelling 'show up you worm'?:lol:

[Jim]

He,he,he,he...

I will respect Patricia's wish and will wait.



Odd. You posted the video on TreasureNet yesterday, assuming people would believe the Mineoro found the gold-plated stud.

So...you only respect Patricia on certain forums?

[Qiaozhi]

Odd. You posted the video on TreasureNet yesterday, assuming people would believe the Mineoro found the gold-plated stud.

So...you only respect Patricia on certain forums?
It's probably the other Hung. ;) You know ... the one that posts total gibberish. (Similar to his last post above. :lol:)

Perhaps we should change the name of this thread to "Mineoro FG90 inaction". :rolleyes:

[Rudy]

What metal detector can locate one small earing 3 meters distance ???

I didn't hear the contraption beeping until he get right up close and personal with it.

[hung]

Hi Morgan,
Here, they featured one more video today. A bigger earring is also found.
Check how well the FG90 pinpointing is behaving, and this is not Brazil.
Hint... Where they make fine wines to eat with your best 'bolinhos de bacalhau'.:D

Have fun. We talk later by email.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmV7dfQKPOw

[WM6]

A bigger earring is also found.



Yes, in grandma gift-box (as usual).

[gibon]

What metal detector can locate one small earing 3 meters distance ???

Hi Morgan,

the guy on the video is a Mineoro dealer but he has other brand also like Okm.

http://univers-detection.com/index.php

Hope it can help

We stay in touch for the new TH season.

Sincerly

Gibon

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
Here, they featured one more video today. A bigger earring is also found.
Check how well the FG90 pinpointing is behaving, and this is not Brazil.
Hint... Where they make fine wines to eat with your best 'bolinhos de bacalhau'.:D

Have fun. We talk later by email.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmV7dfQKPOw

Hello

Nice LRL video. They are searching in Europe,I´m searching in Europe,and i never get this good behavior with my MINEORO...
One time in Brazil the spanish man was searching the beach with Alonso and Damasio,and they found one gold ring. The spanish man said that want to buy this MINEORO,becouse he saw IT WORKS,but Alonso said to him ,ESTO NO,ES QUE ESTA PRECINTADO !THIS ONE NO,IS NOT CORRUPTED !

Regards

[Morgan]

Hello

Nice LRL video. They are searching in Europe,I´m searching in Europe,and i never get this good behavior with my MINEORO...
One time in Brazil the spanish man was searching the beach with Alonso and Damasio,and they found one gold ring. The spanish man said that want to buy this MINEORO,becouse he saw IT WORKS,but Alonso said to him ,ESTO NO,ES QUE ESTA PRECINTADO !THIS ONE NO,IS NOT CORRUPTED !

Regards

So,what he want to say to spanish man ? That this MINEORO is only for demonstrations,IT WORKS FINE,maybe the other MINEOROS not work so good ???
Well,the spanish man not undertand why they not sell this one(he even ofer more money).
Of course they sell other one to spanish man,we tried the new one in GAROPABA beach and found nothing...
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[Geo]

As he said somebody sometime, the lrl even if working properly, should not work!!!!!!!
:lol::lol:

[hung]

Hello

Nice LRL video. They are searching in Europe,I´m searching in Europe,and i never get this good behavior with my MINEORO...
One time in Brazil the spanish man was searching the beach with Alonso and Damasio,and they found one gold ring. The spanish man said that want to buy this MINEORO,becouse he saw IT WORKS,but Alonso said to him ,ESTO NO,ES QUE ESTA PRECINTADO !THIS ONE NO,IS NOT CORRUPTED !

Regards

I'm sorry, but I know this case as his wife personally told me. It's the opposite!
Your spanish friend and his wife saw it working and wanted to buy it. It was a demo unit. Not ready to sell as it had no panel painted, art, etc. That is why Alonso and Damasio told him it was not ready. Despite of that, Mineoro SOLD IT TO HIM the same very unit.
They took it to Spain and could not find gold. It's not clear at this point if they were looking in places where there were gold, the weather conditions were at their disadvantage or what.
Fact is that yes, they sold it that very same model. Period. And you know very well that later his wife already with the DC2008 found objects in her trips.

PS. I live by the beach. I have NEVER found any gold object in that beach. Be with all Mineoros, Minelab Excalibur or any other conventional detector brought by some friends. NEVER in that beach.
So what? Does this mean that all above mentioned devices do not work?

[Morgan]

I'm sorry, but I know this case as his wife personally told me. It's the opposite!
Your spanish friend and his wife saw it working and wanted to buy it. It was a demo unit. Not ready to sell as it had no panel painted, art, etc. That is why Alonso and Damasio told him it was not ready. Despite of that, Mineoro SOLD IT TO HIM the same very unit.
They took it to Spain and could not find gold. It's not clear at this point if they were looking in places where there were gold, the weather conditions were at their disadvantage or what.
Fact is that yes, they sold it that very same model. Period. And you know very well that later his wife already with the DC2008 found objects in her trips.

PS. I live by the beach. I have NEVER found any gold object in that beach. Be with all Mineoros, Minelab Excalibur or any other conventional detector brought by some friends. NEVER in that beach.
So what? Does this mean that all above mentioned devices do not work?

Hung

What they found with MINEORO DC2008 is nothing important, maybe better than the silver earing found by Alonso and the french man in the video. But the behavior of this DC2008 HERE IS COMPLETLY DIFERENT,NOT AS THIS PINPOINT ABILITY that we saw in Alonso´s video,it give only some sparzed sounds in the area and thats all,and not found all the precious objects,this we confirm later with MD´s or PD...

Regards

[hung]

Hung

What they found with MINEORO DC2008 is nothing important, maybe better than the silver earing found by Alonso and the french man in the video. But the behavior of this DC2008 HERE IS COMPLETLY DIFERENT,NOT AS THIS PINPOINT ABILITY that we saw in Alonso´s video,it give only some sparzed sounds in the area and thats all,and not found all the precious objects,this we confirm later with MD´s or PD...

Regards

Yeah. Do you think you are the only one who gets sparse beeps? It has also happened to me many times.:D
And also I have experienced precise beepings as the ones I told you by email. This proves how the phenomena is dynamic. And a lot dynamic, because it is constantly moving. But this is only relevant to small objects. When it comes to small to big treasures the signals are strong enough to avoid any doubt.

The PD has a different frequency than DC or FG. Sometimes your DC will not beep to a particular object and the PD will, right? Well, the opposite happens too. I also have the PD. And I have experienced situations in which the PD did not detect an object but the FG did. Very interesting.
Anyway, if you know that french guy, you could check with him all details about this field prospecting and ask if Alonso and him experienced any bad signals on that occasion, his impressions and if there were non constant signals in that same spot.

This would be good for us to know.
Thanks in advance.

[J_Player]

Hung

What they found with MINEORO DC2008 is nothing important, maybe better than the silver earing found by Alonso and the french man in the video. But the behavior of this DC2008 HERE IS COMPLETLY DIFERENT,NOT AS THIS PINPOINT ABILITY that we saw in Alonso´s video,it give only some sparzed sounds in the area and thats all,and not found all the precious objects,this we confirm later with MD´s or PD...

RegardsHi morgan,
What you say about the DC2008 sounds similar to what we heard from Connie....

"When will the videos be on the forum, so we can all see them????? the reason why I'm so interrested to see them is because I bought a DC2008 from mineoro. ( I really had a brain wash from Brazil )" http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86)


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi morgan,
What you say about the DC2008 sounds similar to what we heard from Connie....

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86 (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86)


Best wishes,
J_P

Maybe i know who is Connie,of course this is not the real name. She get the brain wash and the wallet wash too...