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Funfinder
08-09-2010, 12:51 AM
Below is a part of that PD circuit which is now open source - here:

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=658&u=12209946

( http://hobidetektori.own0.com/lrl-f6/pd-pistol-t637.htm#5531 )

It seems working without additional omega coil BFO but is it possibly simplify this stuff ???

Look at this circuit!

There are for shure too many overfluous parts, making the whole thing only complicated, noisy and most worse:
unsensitive! If it's not too much asked someone here can erradicate this stuff and post a "clean" version.

And if ferrite l7 / l8 only have around 100 turns this is far too few for a real good antenna reception!

If this schematic already is 2,5 years old perhaps there exists some update but this is not the problem - we have really to understand what and at what frequency gets received or even transmitted.

There are 2 coils. So the question is:
Does one coil transmits at a certain freq. (what I doubt) or does it only works as signal threshold finder i.e. does it detect if the incoming signal comes from a straight direction??

Funfinder
08-10-2010, 02:43 AM
No answers - nice - I'll tell you what this circuit does:

It recognises the "antenna function" of the searched metal object.

I found this out by thinking about the somekind special movements you have to do with the PD.

The style how the ferrite-antennas are arranged within the PD are typcial for "minimum bearing".


Forget about the unscientific "ghost stuff" on this page but read about the EMF-meters and how they work:

http://www.ghostgadgets.com/_knowledge/emfexplained.html

and here:

http://www.ghostgadgets.com/_knowledge/emfmeters.html

If you are really interrested and not just like making fun out of everything - like little kids do with sex - you will find out that there exists already very sophisticated EMF & magnetic field detection devices and that you have incalculate all 3 dimensions and the "antenna function" of your own body if you want to get real authentic test results!

I hardly doubt they will detect ghost, poltergeists or demons but at least if they are sensitive and professional enough they will detect metal objects that disturb the sourrounding field.

btw. for shure there exists some resonance-frequency for special materials or element! Microwave ovens work this way (resonating water molecules). And even the electrostriction is some sort of resonance. How good this works with detecting gold etc. is a different question.

I have no time writing any more because finally after 1 week and alot hours of research and reading (not here...) I want to start with the ferrite antenna tests!


The ferrite antenna receives the magnetical pulses or in our "passive pistol case" :D it detects the vanishing of the "magnetical noise" if a metal object is "near".

Now the only question is if the "natural" VLF-noise is enuff or if I some kind of add. long wave transmitter is needed.

First I have to find out which of my ferrite-staffs has the best permeability and if a shielding (perhaps some can) or reflector improves the directiveness (probable only some magnetical one).


btw. it guess the ferrite-circuit is used for vague "middle to long range" detection and the bfo for pinpointing / long wave transmitter...

WM6
08-10-2010, 06:42 AM
.... or demons but at least if they are sensitive and professional enough they will detect metal objects .....





Dear Funfinder,

most of the demons are hiding in the words "if" ....

Morgan
08-10-2010, 03:14 PM
No answers - nice - I'll tell you what this circuit does:

It recognises the "antenna function" of the searched metal object.

I found this out by thinking about the somekind special movements you have to do with the PD.

The style how the ferrite-antennas are arranged within the PD are typcial for "minimum bearing".


Forget about the unscientific "ghost stuff" on this page but read about the EMF-meters and how they work:

http://www.ghostgadgets.com/_knowledge/emfexplained.html

and here:

http://www.ghostgadgets.com/_knowledge/emfmeters.html

If you are really interrested and not just like making fun out of everything - like little kids do with sex - you will find out that there exists already very sophisticated EMF & magnetic field detection devices and that you have incalculate all 3 dimensions and the "antenna function" of your own body if you want to get real authentic test results!

I hardly doubt they will detect ghost, poltergeists or demons but at least if they are sensitive and professional enough they will detect metal objects that disturb the sourrounding field.

btw. for shure there exists some resonance-frequency for special materials or element! Microwave ovens work this way (resonating water molecules). And even the electrostriction is some sort of resonance. How good this works with detecting gold etc. is a different question.

I have no time writing any more because finally after 1 week and alot hours of research and reading (not here...) I want to start with the ferrite antenna tests!


The ferrite antenna receives the magnetical pulses or in our "passive pistol case" :D it detects the vanishing of the "magnetical noise" if a metal object is "near".

Now the only question is if the "natural" VLF-noise is enuff or if I some kind of add. long wave transmitter is needed.

First I have to find out which of my ferrite-staffs has the best permeability and if a shielding (perhaps some can) or reflector improves the directiveness (probable only some magnetical one).


btw. it guess the ferrite-circuit is used for vague "middle to long range" detection and the bfo for pinpointing / long wave transmitter...


Hi

The PD is not BFO,is the old HEATKIT TR detector with modifications design by Alonso.
Why you not enter in RS project to have acess to all schematics ?
It will be better for your research about LRL PD.


Regards

Funfinder
08-13-2010, 04:27 AM
According to here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16740&highlight=heatkit&page=2

and especially here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=49267&postcount=5

the Heatkit is not TR but Induction Balance! From the early 70s. Do we have the schematic here - didn't found it so far. And because of the IB the adjustment is very critical. The question is, how the IB is used together with the ferrite coil that seems to receive the electrostatic stuff.


Good idea, Morgan, I could join the RS project - if I just knew how. :shocked:

Geo
08-14-2010, 04:49 AM
According to here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16740&highlight=heatkit&page=2

and especially here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=49267&postcount=5

the Heatkit is not TR but Induction Balance! From the early 70s. Do we have the schematic here - didn't found it so far. And because of the IB the adjustment is very critical. The question is, how the IB is used together with the ferrite coil that seems to receive the electrostatic stuff.


Good idea, Morgan, I could join the RS project - if I just knew how. :shocked:


Hi Funfinder.
Ferrite is vertical to the IB coil so it nulls the receiving signal from the oscillator of 348.
It is a very sensitive passive receiver:)

Qiaozhi
08-14-2010, 09:26 AM
According to here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16740&highlight=heatkit&page=2

and especially here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=49267&postcount=5

the Heatkit is not TR but Induction Balance! From the early 70s. Do we have the schematic here - didn't found it so far. And because of the IB the adjustment is very critical. The question is, how the IB is used together with the ferrite coil that seems to receive the electrostatic stuff.


Good idea, Morgan, I could join the RS project - if I just knew how. :shocked:
The Heathkit GD348 design is both a TR and an Induction Balance.
I have one in my collection.

vali
05-30-2011, 03:01 AM
Dear Funfinder,

most of the demons are hiding in the words "if" ....

helo funfinder

I ask you why when uv lamp method
We react to it Mdhd
Same Mdarfrst
Good luck

vali

vali
05-30-2011, 03:31 AM
helo funfinder

I ask you why when uv lamp method
We react to it Mdhd
Same Mdarfrst
Good luck

valiHi funfinder
Why when you turn to the uv radiation
Ferrite shows we react Mdhd Please Answer

For Your Health
vali

vali
05-30-2011, 03:40 AM
Dear Funfinder,

most of the demons are hiding in the words "if" ....






I ask you why when uv lamp methodhttp://174.132.129.189/~moreland/forums/../../%7Emoreland/forums/images/smilies/smilies/smile.gif:shrug:
We react to it Mdhd
Same Mdarfrst
Good luck

vali

J_Player
05-30-2011, 07:50 AM
I read the Funfinder comments that the PD circuit is too complicated and should be more simple.
I also read the Vali questions about the UV lamp method. Now I am sure it is time to make updates for the PD circuit.
I think this version will really detect the gold...

Geo
05-30-2011, 05:56 PM
I read the Funfinder comments that the PD circuit is too complicated and should be more simple.
I also read the Vali questions about the UV lamp method. Now I am sure it is time to make updates for the PD circuit.
I think this version will really detect the gold...


Do you believe that with this way we will see the gold signal???:lol:

Regards:)

Thomas
05-30-2011, 07:55 PM
golden oldies maybe.

J_Player
05-30-2011, 08:16 PM
Do you believe that with this way we will see the gold signal???:lol:

Regards:)No,
It is not possible to see the gold signal unless you also add a Tesla coil.
Then you will see the arcs follow the UV radiation through the floating gold ion fields.
For this circuit you can only hear the gold vibrations.
When you listen, ignore the low humms and static sounds... these are only from AC power and migrating space aliens passing by.
But when you hear the gurgling sound, you will know gold is near... :good

Best wishes, :)
J_P

Geo
05-30-2011, 09:07 PM
No,
It is not possible to see the gold signal unless you also add a Tesla coil.
Then you will see the arcs follow the UV radiation through the floating gold ion fields.
For this circuit you can only hear the gold vibrations.
When you listen, ignore the low humms and static sounds... these are only from AC power and migrating space aliens passing by.
But when you hear the gurgling sound, you will know gold is near... :good

Best wishes, :)
J_P


Hi Big J_P
:lol::lol::lol:


Regards

vali
06-15-2011, 01:05 PM
I read the Funfinder comments that the PD circuit is too complicated and should be more simple.
I also read the Vali questions about the UV lamp method. Now I am sure it is time to make updates for the PD circuit.
I think this version will really detect the gold...



hi g_p
your answer grateful8)
regards. vali;)