20-30,000 year old recipe

[Ernie]

I was looking in the history books for pre - english (AD1770)
mining activity in Australia when i came across this 20-30,000 year old cave paintint showing how to find water streams, (which usually carry secondary gold/ore deposits).
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/gallery8.php
Divining or waterwitching back then, wasn't a scam, it was a method of survival. So the idea was painted to teach the next generation.


Interesting as well, is that in this series, but unfortunatly not available for free on the internet any more, is a very primitive 20-30,000 year old painting showing how to detect people in the out back bush, and the system is very similar to a YAGI antenna system array.

happy prospecting

Ernie

[g-sani]

For me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs or mind.
It must be something real about that when it started so many years ago.
Yes it is something happening here and you don't need to be Ainstein to understand it.

[J_Player]

...but unfortunatly not available for free on the internet any more...

Originally posted by g-sani
For me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs or mind.
It must be something real about that when it started so many years ago.
Yes it is something happening here and you don't need to be Ainstein to understand it.I am a skeptic about 20-30,000 year old methods to build anything similar to a yagi antenna, much less to use this alleged yagi antenna to detect water. It would be easier to believe it is worth investigating if I could see some supporting evidence to show these paintings are the prehistoric method of making a powerpoint presentation on finding people or water through yagi antenna technology. But like all extraordinary claims, the details are never available to investigate. There is always some reason why we can't see the evidence to make our own assessment of the merits of these claims. :rolleyes:

At the link from Ernie, I see a lot of very nice cave paintings that would qualify for top quality modern art work. How can we know these are paintings where Australian aboriginies are trying to teach people how to build similar to yagi antennas to find people in the bush or water? :???:

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

For me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs or mind.
It must be something real about that when it started so many years ago.
Yes it is something happening here and you don't need to be Ainstein to understand it.


What evidence? There are on picture nothing related to dowsing. What we can see are only primitive outer Bluetooth components by which they communicate with each other.

[Fred]

Ernie, a few remarks come to my mind:


Divining or waterwitching back then, wasn't a scam, it was a method of survival. So the idea was painted to teach the next generation.

-How do you know if it was or not a scam. After all men are involved...
-No one says water divining is scam, just a trick of the mind. (untill proven wrong)
-The antenna look more like a LPDA (Log-Periodic Dipole array) than a yagi to me.
:D

[g-sani]

Probably scam is there from the beggining of time but it goes off every time something proves wrong.
Has it happened yet for dowsing?
Well as far as dowsing concerns it looks like it kept on going through time for centuries.
?????????

[J_Player]

Probably scam is there from the beggining of time but it goes off every time something proves wrong.
Has it happened yet for dowsing?
Well as far as dowsing concerns it looks like it kept on going through time for centuries.
?????????The question is about the cave paintings:
What have we seen to convince anyone that these paintings have anything to do with finding water, or with yagi antennas?

I see photos of cave paintings that look like modern art work, not like instructions to find water. What should I look at to convince me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/info/ArchersOfTinAboteka.jpg

Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

[Morgan]

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/info/ArchersOfTinAboteka.jpg

Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?



He is dowsing with arrow and ... No ,this fellow is going for hunting:D

[Jim]

Appears to be an atlatl* and spear

atlatl* - spear thrower

[mosha]

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/info/ArchersOfTinAboteka.jpg

Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

He seems hunting animals by arrow.

regards,

[g-sani]

The question is about the cave paintings:
What have we seen to convince anyone that these paintings have anything to do with finding water, or with yagi antennas?

I see photos of cave paintings that look like modern art work, not like instructions to find water. What should I look at to convince me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs?

Best wishes,
J_P

Well after a quick look I had I thought that they hold Y shaped dowsing forks.
Do they?

[g-sani]

He seems hunting animals by arrow.

regards,

This guy is hunting something for sure.
But why animals and not gold?

[Fred]

can you eat gold?

[g-sani]

In ancient times they use to cure some diseases by giving a very small quantity of gold to the sick to eat.
If the stomach can act like a chamber then eating gold would enhance ones ability to dowse for gold.:lol: :lol: :lol:

[WM6]

Ancient spiral dowser eating gold chamber:

[WM6]

Another example of very ancient spiral and L dowsing rod technology:

[WM6]

Moderate modern creative dowsing:

[WM6]

Multidimesional and multidirectional extra remote stationary dowsing rod:

[g-sani]

Ancient spiral dowser eating gold chamber:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11669&stc=1&d=1269596121


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
monkey business

[J_Player]

If you look at the link Ernie posted for the Australian cave paintings at the Kimberly, you will find this page http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/gallery.php that shows galleries with a description of each painting, telling you what you see in the painting. The descriptions do not talk about yagi antennas or dowsing. They talk about head dresses, arm bands, tassels, and other ornaments that the primitive hunters used. There are even pictures of hunters sharpening their spears.

It seems to me that in the prehistoric times, tribal communities were mostly concerned with collecting enough food to survive, and spending what spare time they had making clothes and ornaments. From what I have read, the prehistoric Australians did not hunt for gold or do any significant metal work of any kind. They were experts at finding water, but even modern aboriginies don't use dowsing rods to find water. Why would the prehistoric tribes use them? Are there really any dowsing rods or yagi antennas in the cave paintings, or are they simply tribal clothing and ornaments they used along with their hunting tools?

I may "reprogram my beliefs" about this after I read from archaelolgists that they used dowsing tools.

[mosha]

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:

http://www.geotech1.com/pages/lrl/info/ArchersOfTinAboteka.jpg

Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

In this picture it is clear that the African man holding arrow in hand and in the other is bow.

where is dowsing here!!

[Morgan]

In this picture it is clear that the African man holding arrow in hand and in the other is bow.

where is dowsing here!!



They dowsing animals at long distance using the bow and arrow...

[J_Player]

They dowsing animals at long distance using the bow and arrow...I think it worked. They ate antelope for dinner and made a painting the next day to prove it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

I think it worked. They ate antelope for dinner and made a painting the next day to prove it.

Best wishes,
J_P

And the guy with his LPDA antenna, 25.643 years in advance over his time, was rejected by his clan and had to eat roots... :frown:

[J_Player]

And the guy with his LPDA antenna, 25.643 years in advance over his time, was rejected by his clan and had to eat roots... :frown:.

[Ernie]

There seems to be a bit of confusion so I’ll try to explain. this photo http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/gallery8.php (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/gallery8.php) does not depict anything about a Yagi antenna but another one I think does depict a system of amplification similar to YAGI or something like yagi. I will try and find the picture but if I can’t and as I do not want to buy a CD I can describe the painting so no need for anyone to buy Cd and not a sales scam. If my description does not satisfy everyone I may buy a CD and break copy write law and publish to you, But the CD may not have a copy of the painting either.
The people are not aboriginal as even the aboriginals say, no, not ours but before our time. Carbon dating suggested 20-30.000 years ago and the tribes were killed in a war with the arriving aboriginals. People who have gone to see the paintings say, you would have to be able to reach up 12 foot (4 meters) to be able to paint them which makes me think of the Olympic athlete runners from Africa. Possibly they came to Australia from Africa? Which makes Carl’s photo interesting to me. Where did you find it Carl? And I think Jim is correct with spear thrower which we call a woomera in Australia, it gives leverage when throwing a spear or arrow. The first thing I picked up in the painting above was the three wave type lines flowing near the bottom section which depict a river and more importantly the middle line of these three lines depicts the centre of the river and also that the water is underground and where gold would also be. But these people were not miners just after the water for survival. The antenna (Y) in this is not Yagi, but, as Fred suggested, more like dipole. In real life these would be a cut off branch from a tree. The rain type drops coming down from the Y to the river is suggesting a type of force. Some of you might be thinking why dipole so I’ll try to explain how I see it. Our bodies are naturally wired up with electrical pulses that make us function. The side locations of the organs (especially the heart and lungs) causes our hands to have slight charge difference like two plates in a capacitor or a di (meaning two or dual) pole antenna. This effect is increased when a person is over water. Holding the stick would give a connection from the hand dipole to the forked stick moveable dipole and this then reacts with the underground waters magnetic or electric flow or static field which causes the forked stick to point down when the person is over water. The resulting force that pulls the stick down is sometimes so strong that if the forked stick is held as tight as possible it will rip the outer bark away from the inner trunk so it can move downward which is similar to the effects in an electric motor rotation. (see Wikipedia – electrostatic induction) So are all the skeptics going to say that an electric motor can’t possibly work? As an experiment I once used two L rods to find the centre of a known underground stream in my back yard. I then stuck one of the L rods into the ground and held it, the other, held out, then swung like a compass in the direction of the water flow. Sorcerers got their name because they could find the source of the water for new settlements through a so called magical method which I have hopefully now explained how the magic trick is preformed and is not a trick just a misunderstood electric motor type effect. All of us have a brain. The human brain is something that engineers can’t build but we can make machines that do similar things if we know the forces involved. Inside our brains is a part (and I’m sorry I can’t remember it’s name - biology book) which is basically in the shape of a fork and does some rather amazing things, and is known as where our psyche or consciousness lives and starts. A lot of this part’s main input comes from our largest organ (our skin ) and our skin has great antenna called hair, which is a great static detector. This part or home of the psyche is attached to the rest of our brain which I’ll just call simply our CPU (Central Processing Unit )
Here’s what I can remember about the cave (Bradshaw) Yagi painting without buying it.
Six ladies holding hands I can’t remember if no.1 was earthed or not but no. 6 was holding a stick/branch which in the painting was pointing towards another distant person. The way I see that is that all thier CPU’S would be in series giving an amplifying effect to the static signals.
Attached to our human mind we have two capacitor type plates as hands, and capacitors have a dielectric (the matter between the two plates). So what would happen if we changed the type of substance used as a dielectric between our hands? To say a ball shape crystal?
Happy prospecting OR whatever your into (Honk, Honk )
Ernie