A patent to detect substances by infrared like Esteban used.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Hung.
What are you mean "New DCH85M"????
Did you bought a new DCH???

Regards
Members of Mineoro's marketing department don't have to pay for the new models. :lol:

[Geo]

Members of Mineoro's marketing department don't have to pay for the new models. :lol:

What are you mean??????

[hung]

Already explained how I did in the 'cameras see gold' thread in the TNET forum.
None needs any special camera or to remove anything inside it. Just add an IR filter. In my case I used 2 layers of C41 processed film. Then you need one good image editor with the correct algorithms to enhance the image.
Simple like that.

Again: It's not the IR which strikes the earth the main responsible factor for the phenomena. NO.
It's the IR released by the earth's surface that manifests 24 hours a day during the cooling process. This joined by other factors as EM fields and tellurics.
The released IR form surface along the day acting in the buried gold, allows devices as the DIS300 sense the temperature differences.

[Fred]

What are you mean??????
Are you blind Geo ? :D

[hung]

Hi Hung.
What are you mean "New DCH85M"????
Did you bought a new DCH???

Regards

I already explained that in a previous thread. You should have paid attention my friend.
Alonso has a new upgrade for the DCH85M. This based in his latest pistol type detector.
We have one that will be sent to Mineoro in order to have this upgrade installed.

[Esteban]

Nice work Tim,
After reading the whole article, I can see your loggers hold the key to the future in this field. :)

.....

Hi Esteban,
I am reading that for the phenomena, you know very well that a camera with special IR filters do the job.
Is this true?
If it is true, can you tell about your experience using a camera with special IR filters to find the phenomenon?

Best wishes,
J_P

I know about the possibility. I read in a book. But never I experiment with it.

[Esteban]

In restoration-mods thread I post pistol with phototransistor, based on old model. The phototransistors seems was used as the "camera" or "eye". The new (2009), yellow pistol, use also the "eye".

[Geo]

I already explained that in a previous thread. You should have paid attention my friend.
Alonso has a new upgrade for the DCH85M. This based in his latest pistol type detector.
We have one that will be sent to Mineoro in order to have this upgrade installed.

Hi Hung.
I surprise!!!!
Because The basic name is the same (DCH85) i suppose that the main circuit is the same with the old. But before months you wrote that the technology of DCH is more low than the PDC or of the new models.
So, why mineoro sell again this old and not so good detector???

Regards:)

[WM6]

So, why mineoro sell again this old and not so good detector???



Geo it is easy to explain. This is because by all new mineoro model we can detect golden nothing only.

So it is better to go back on proven technology, which can detect only golden nothing too, but is cheaper to produce and easy to scam naive.

[J_Player]

I know about the possibility. I read in a book. But never I experiment with it.Hi Esetban. You say you know about the possibility of photographing the phenomenon with a camera using special IR filter.
But you don't say you know very well that a camera with special IR filters do the job.
So it is not true what was written?
It is true you only know about a possibility?

I see the photos you posted from a book. These do not look like photos taken from a camera with an IR filter to me.
Have you ever seen an actual print from made from the negative that was taken from a camera with an IR filter?

Best wishes,
J_P

[bklein]

Some DSLR's can be modified to remove their IR filter so they can be used for this purpose (I suppose). But I would think people would be complaining about such aberations in their images - not knowing they are treasure.... :-). Look in various astronomy magazines for such reworkers.

Also of course you can get FLIR handheld imagers. I want one of those to diagnose thermal issues in my house... wish I could find one cheap. Maybe one not working that I could fix... If anyone comes across one let me know!

Barry

[hung]

I see the photos you posted from a book. These do not look like photos taken from a camera with an IR filter to me.


Of course not. They are from the famous polaroids of the 70's with time zero film as used by Louis Matacia.
Later it was discovered that digital cameras did even a better job with the IR filters.

[hung]

Hi Hung.
I surprise!!!!
Because The basic name is the same (DCH85) i suppose that the main circuit is the same with the old. But before months you wrote that the technology of DCH is more low than the PDC or of the new models.
So, why mineoro sell again this old and not so good detector???

Regards:)

Geo, right now I cannot speculate anything about its performance as I still have not tested. When I do, I will know what it is capable of.
As I said, Alonso decided to take his latest pistol technology inside the DCH. I was told that upon testing they found many small gold objects in the beach.

Regarding the info you posted above that you credited to me, actually I was just repassing what is found in their site. Damasio wrote that the DCH85 required about 100% of ionic fields to work long distance. The models evolved and the need for ionic fields intensity decreased. Today the latest models require only 20% or less I guess. I think you probably know what it means.
This information is featured in their site.

[Qiaozhi]

Already explained how I did in the 'cameras see gold' thread in the TNET forum.
None needs any special camera or to remove anything inside it. Just add an IR filter. In my case I used 2 layers of C41 processed film. Then you need one good image editor with the correct algorithms to enhance the image.
Simple like that.

Again: It's not the IR which strikes the earth the main responsible factor for the phenomena. NO.
It's the IR released by the earth's surface that manifests 24 hours a day during the cooling process. This joined by other factors as EM fields and tellurics.
The released IR form surface along the day acting in the buried gold, allows devices as the DIS300 sense the temperature differences.
This is just more nonsense from David Villanueva. Forget it. It's just pseudo-scientific claptrap. :frown:

[J_Player]

Of course not. They are from the famous polaroids of the 70's with time zero film as used by Louis Matacia.
Later it was discovered that digital cameras did even a better job with the IR filters.You are answering for Esteban now?
You think Esteban is not to be trusted to answer his own questions?


Let me ask you some questions:
1. Who discovered that a digital camera did a better job with IR filters to locate "treasure aura" ?

2. Where are the photos showing IR filtered digital images that show "treasure aura"?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Damasio wrote that the DCH85 required about 100% of ionic fields to work long distance. The models evolved and the need for ionic fields intensity decreased. Today the latest models require only 20% or less I think.
This information is featured in their site. I think you probably know what it means.



Definition what is "100% of ionic fields" is provided each time by mineoro promptly to the his scamer needs.

Now 20% = 100%.

[hung]

You are answering for Esteban now?
You think Esteban is not to be trusted to answer his own questions?

Don't be jealous, I simply happened to know the answer to your question.
Esteban and I own the book. And yes, Esteban, is highly trustable.


Let me ask you some questions:
1. Who discovered that a digital camera did a better job with IR filters to locate "treasure aura" ?

2. Where are the photos showing IR filtered digital images that show "treasure aura"?

Best wishes,
J_PRead, watch the video and learn.
http://www.treasurehunterssecretmanual.com/

[WM6]

Read, watch the video and learn.
http://www.treasurehunterssecretmanual.com/


Yes a lot to learn.

To learn how to scam dummies.

"a revolutionary new method to find treasure fast" (page 6 of "secret manual")

What is here new except another new old fashioned scaming trick?

Light spectrum scanning method (IR inclusive) are nothing new. It was widely used for decades even on satellites to scanning earth surface.

But there is no way to detect "aura" of 4 gold coins buried 10"deep in soil few years ago by modified camera. No way, except if you buried ton of gold near to surface, in this case it can be easyly detected as field of different temperature.

So-called "aura" on video are nothing else as grass lit by the IR headlamp.

[Fred]

It's the IR released by the earth's surface that manifests 24 hours a day during the cooling process.
I see...So when do the Earth absorbs IR ? :D

[Qiaozhi]

Read, watch the video and learn.
http://www.treasurehunterssecretmanual.com/
Learn what?
How to be fooled by pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo? :shrug:

[J_Player]

Don't be jealous, I simply happened to know the answer to your question.
Esteban and I own the book. And yes, Esteban, is highly trustable.


Read, watch the video and learn.
http://www.treasurehunterssecretmanual.com/
Esteban is highly trustable? This is why you don't trust him to answer his own questions? It seems to me Esteban did not say he knows very well that a camera with special IR filters do the job. It was you who claimed that. Esteban only said he knows about it from reading a book, but never experimented with it. I can believe the things Esteban says he read, but not the BS propaganda you make about what he knows very well.

Speaking of BS, Where are the IR photos you said I should watch and learn about? I can't find any IR photos in that video.
The only thing close to IR I saw was the near IR light that was shining on the grass where the camera was pointed.
Was that the near IR LED beam the camera makes for low-light focusing?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi Hung.
I surprise!!!!
Because The basic name is the same (DCH85) i suppose that the main circuit is the same with the old. But before months you wrote that the technology of DCH is more low than the PDC or of the new models.
So, why mineoro sell again this old and not so good detector???

Regards:)



Its becouse they are using the TDA7000 or similar circuit for more sensitivity.
I instal this circuit in my DCH(prototipe) and get 10 times more distance when point the device direct to power lines or other energies,the same happens with the ICONOS (prototipe).

[Morgan]

Geo, right now I cannot speculate anything about its performance as I still have not tested. When I do, I will know what it is capable of.
As I said, Alonso decided to take his latest pistol technology inside the DCH. I was told that upon testing they found many small gold objects in the beach.

Regarding the info you posted above that you credited to me, actually I was just repassing what is found in their site. Damasio wrote that the DCH85 required about 100% of ionic fields to work long distance. The models evolved and the need for ionic fields intensity decreased. Today the latest models require only 20% or less I guess. I think you probably know what it means.
This information is featured in their site.



Hello Hung

As i can see,since Mr.Damasio die (R.I.P )you have closed relation with Alonso. Please ask him why he not sell good LRL PD in Mineoro,as he sell to closed friends,exemple this super PD he sold to spanish man(his friend).
I try this LRL,no words against,its suberb ,much more powerful and acurate than Pistoldetectors with ferrite !!!

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[Morgan]

Hello Hung

As i can see,since Mr.Damasio die (R.I.P )you have closed relation with Alonso. Please ask him why he not sell good LRL PD in Mineoro,as he sell to closed friends,exemple this super PD he sold to spanish man(his friend).
I try this LRL,no words against,its suberb ,much more powerful and acurate than Pistoldetectors with ferrite !!!

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WHY THIS WORKING LRL´S NOT PUT FOR SALE BY MINEORO ???
BOTH TECHNOLOGY COMES FROM ALONSO,THE SAME MAN WHO DEVELOP DCH MINEORO AND PISTOLDETECTORS FOR TREASURE HUNTING !!!
WHY NOT SELL ALSO THE GOOD LRL DEVICES ?
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[Morgan]

WHY THIS WORKING LRL´S NOT PUT FOR SALE BY MINEORO ???
BOTH TECHNOLOGY COMES FROM ALONSO,THE SAME MAN WHO DEVELOP DCH MINEORO AND PISTOLDETECTORS FOR TREASURE HUNTING !!!
WHY NOT SELL ALSO THE GOOD LRL DEVICES ?
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MINEORO CRAP

WHY THIS CRAP ???
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[WM6]

Please ask him why he not sell good LRL PD in Mineoro,as he sell to closed friends,exemple this super PD he sold to spanish man(his friend).



Because of promotional trick, dear Morgan.

When your wishes to have the same as your friend are strong enough, you will be willing to pay for this PD at all costs. Old promotional trick nothing else.

[WM6]

MINEORO CRAP

WHY THIS CRAP ???


Sorry Morgan, this is not common mineoro crap. This Special Serie 2000 crap.

[Esteban]

Hi Esetban. You say you know about the possibility of photographing the phenomenon with a camera using special IR filter.
But you don't say you know very well that a camera with special IR filters do the job.
So it is not true what was written?
It is true you only know about a possibility?

I see the photos you posted from a book. These do not look like photos taken from a camera with an IR filter to me.
Have you ever seen an actual print from made from the negative that was taken from a camera with an IR filter?

Best wishes,
J_P

I know (and everybody knows it) that all bodies over absolute zero emits infrared. I think that metal in hot weather emits more due good conductivity of heat. I have no ever seen this in photo, only in this book.

Somebody refers me that in antenna was "discharged" big treasure buried on a stream. His friend take the photo because this person was taken photos during the use of instument and by coincidence occurs this phenomenon, but I don't know if true or not. :rolleyes: Some day, if achieve this photo, :rolleyes: I'll post here.

Also I hear that a person said to other (who suspect existence of treasure in a site): "Take a photo of the site and I'll tell you if are or not treasure in your yard". I heard this 10 or 12 years ago.

[Esteban]

The "eye" "see" the "phenomenon"?

[Esteban]

ooops!!!

[WM6]

. I think that metal in hot weather emits more due good conductivity of heat. I

.

This is true but not only in hot weather and not only due good conductivity.

Ideal circumstances are not under midday heat but after sunset because metals accumulate heat more than soil and emit in infra-red spectrum after sunset more than surrounding soil.

So if you put 4 coins 0.5 to 1 cm under soil surface, you can easily detect it by infrared camera after sunset. But if you put those 4 coins 20 cm deep in soil (as on disputed video) there is no way to detect something by infrared camera, no matter if you search by midday, after sunset or by midnight. At 20cm depth you need 200kg of metal to detect IR difference at surface.

It is a question of mass of metal item and related quantities of accumulated heat.

[hung]

This is true but not only in hot weather and not only due good conductivity.

Ideal circumstances are not under midday heat but after sunset because metals accumulate heat more than soil and emit in infra-red spectrum after sunset more than surrounding soil.

So if you put 4 coins 0.5 to 1 cm under soil surface, you can easily detect it by infrared camera after sunset. But if you put those 4 coins 20 cm deep in soil (as on disputed video) there is no way to detect something by infrared camera, no matter if you search by midday, after sunset or by midnight. At 20cm depth you need 200kg of metal to detect IR difference at surface.

It is a question of mass of metal item and related quantities of accumulated heat.

You don't know what you are saying... The slightest idea of what is all about.

[WM6]

You don't know what you are saying... The slightest idea of what is all about.

I am talking about ozone. What you are talking about?

[J_Player]

I know (and everybody knows it) that all bodies over absolute zero emits infrared. I think that metal in hot weather emits more due good conductivity of heat. I have no ever seen this in photo, only in this book.

Somebody refers me that in antenna was "discharged" big treasure buried on a stream. His friend take the photo because this person was taken photos during the use of instument and by coincidence occurs this phenomenon, but I don't know if true or not. :rolleyes: Some day, if achieve this photo, :rolleyes: I'll post here.

Also I hear that a person said to other (who suspect existence of treasure in a site): "Take a photo of the site and I'll tell you if are or not treasure in your yard". I heard this 10 or 12 years ago.Hi Esteban,
This is an interesting answer, but it does not answer my question.
I asked if you have ever seen an actual print from made from the negative that was taken from a camera with an IR filter?

Apparently you have not. The photos you posted do not look like photos taken from a camera with a that blocks visible light and passes IR.
You would know these are not IR photos if you had seen real photos taken from a camera that was modified to pass IR and block visible light.

The particular photos you showed are images that show ordinary light colors, not the monochrome that is seen from an IR photo. Since you don't say you have seen any actual IR photos, I can see how you would not know that the photos you posted are not real IR photos that have the visible light filtered out so only IR is showing.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

The particular photos you showed are images that show ordinary light colors, not the monochrome that is seen from an IR photo. Since you are saying you have not seen any actual IR photos, I can see how you would not know that the photos you posted are not real IR photos that have the visible light filtered out so only IR is showing.



Very doubtful photos, indeed. It was some possibilities to get such photos by ordinary (not IR modified) camera too. But if camera was modified maybe other light spectrum was only half filtered (need more layer of filter foil). In this case even headlamp which lit on grass not need to be infrared, it can be only ordinary red lamp to get virtual "aura". Anyway, as you say, this is not real passive IR scan (photos).

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
This is an interesting answer, but it does not answer my question.
I asked if you have ever seen an actual print from made from the negative that was taken from a camera with an IR filter?

Apparently you have not. The photos you posted do not look like photos taken from a camera with a that blocks visible light and passes IR.
You would know these are not IR photos if you had seen real photos taken from a camera that was modified to pass IR and block visible light.

The particular photos you showed are images that show ordinary light colors, not the monochrome that is seen from an IR photo. Since you don't say you have seen any actual IR photos, I can see how you would not know that the photos you posted are not real IR photos that have the visible light filtered out so only IR is showing.

Best wishes,
J_P

I never have seen, only in the book... :lol: The book refers in many parts the use of IR filters.

[Esteban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4JOjqYQZVY

[Esteban]

I will be sure if after digging take photos. If aura persist 1 hour or more... maybe isn't aura. This I do with pistol. But the "phenomenon" can remain 1 minute after digging, no more, for small item. Don't know remanence for big item as treasure.

[hung]

posts#284&285
Originally Posted by J_Player http://www.geotech1.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=107838#post107838)

The particular photos you showed are images that show ordinary light colors, not the monochrome that is seen from an IR photo. Since you are saying you have not seen any actual IR photos, I can see how you would not know that the photos you posted are not real IR photos that have the visible light filtered out so only IR is showing. Very doubtful photos, indeed. It was some possibilities to get such photos by ordinary (not IR modified) camera too. But if camera was modified maybe other light spectrum was only half filtered (need more layer of filter foil). In this case even headlamp which lit on grass not need to be infrared, it can be only ordinary red lamp to get virtual "aura". Anyway, as you say, this is not real passive IR scan (photos).

post#262
Originally Posted by hung
They are from the famous polaroids of the 70's with time zero film as used by Louis Matacia.
Later it was discovered that digital cameras did even a better job with the IR filters.Amazing.
This doubt was solved in post #262, but 25 posts later these two fellas still can't spot the answer...
Autist skepthics are the hardest ones.:lol:
OK. Let's become even more specific. The polaroid pictures were made NOT employing IR filters. Got it now?:thumb:

[Qiaozhi]

I know about the possibility. I read in a book. But never I experiment with it.

posts#284&285


post#262
Amazing.
This doubt was solved in post #262, but 25 posts later these two fellas still can't spot the answer...
Autist skepthics are the hardest ones.:lol:
OK. Let's become even more specific. The polaroid pictures ARE NOT employing IR filters. Got it now?:thumb:
Whether you wish to be pedantic or not, the bottom-line is simply that this so-called technique is absolutely useless for finding real treasure. The only treasure goes to the author of the book, who manages to sell copies to technically-challenged individuals such as yourself. :razz:

[Geo]

I will be sure if after digging take photos. If aura persist 1 hour or more... maybe isn't aura. This I do with pistol. But the "phenomenon" can remain 1 minute after digging, no more, for small item. Don't know remanence for big item as treasure.

Hi Esteban.
I saw the remaining of the phenomenon for 5 minutes after the digging.

Regards:)

[WM6]

Amazing.
This doubt was solved in post #262, but 25 posts later these two fellas still can't spot the answer...
Autist skepthics are the hardest ones.:lol:
OK. Let's become even more specific. The polaroid pictures were made NOT employing IR filters. Got it now?:thumb:

You try to sell some dust?

We discuss video you suggested in post #267 as learning stuf.

Video is showing picture and photo-camera too. Camera was not Polaroid for sure. Maybe it was not digital but it was not Polaroid. As Esteban cite in post #286 it was Canon. If you are amazing by Polaroid, what to say, ok, I am not.

[Morgan]

I will be sure if after digging take photos. If aura persist 1 hour or more... maybe isn't aura. This I do with pistol. But the "phenomenon" can remain 1 minute after digging, no more, for small item. Don't know remanence for big item as treasure.



Hello Esteban,this is very interesting film about gold AURA. You already read the book,can you tell me how can i see the AURA in my buried gold medalion,how can i use my digital camera for this experience ? Its very interesting,i want to see if this is true...

Abrazos

[Morgan]

Whether you wish to be pedantic or not, the bottom-line is simply that this so-called technique is absolutely useless for finding real treasure. The only treasure goes to the author of the book, who manages to sell copies to technically-challenged individuals such as yourself. :razz:


Let invite the AUTHOR of the book,he can find very easy one gold bar buried by Karl,THE CHALLENGE :D

[Morgan]

Hi Esteban.
I saw the remaining of the phenomenon for 5 minutes after the digging.

Regards:)



Hello Geo

Did you already make this experiment with digital camera,and you saw this AURA??? ,it realy exist around buried gold ???


Regards

[Morgan]

The "eye" "see" the "phenomenon"?


Hi Esteban

I have a look inside this device,but it was not aloud for me to take photos.
what i memorize,in the inner i saw only transistorized PCB´s, one toroid coil and maybe one pipe with infra red,or maybe some trimmer for adjustement,this you call THE EYE .
I will try to find the picture(drawn).

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[Morgan]

Hi Esteban

I have a look inside this device,but it was not aloud for me to take photos.
what i memorize,in the inner i saw only transistorized PCB´s, one toroid coil and maybe one pipe with infra red,or maybe some trimmer for adjustement,this you call THE EYE .
I will try to find the picture(drawn).

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[Geo]

Hello Geo

Did you already make this experiment with digital camera,and you saw this AURA??? ,it realy exist around buried gold ???


Regards

Hi Morgan.
No, i did not experiment with IR camera. Before long time i bough a filter but i never took my camera with me when i was going for T.Hunting. I saw the remaining of the phenomenon when after a digging i found a copper box and the LRL indicated signal for about 5 minutes yet.

Regards

[Esteban]

Hi Morgan.
No, i did not experiment with IR camera. Before long time i bough a filter but i never took my camera with me when i was going for T.Hunting. I saw the remaining of the phenomenon when after a digging i found a copper box and the LRL indicated signal for about 5 minutes yet.

Regards

5 minutes because is a box, but a silver buckle remain 1 minute or less.

[Fred]

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Hi Morgan,
Your "unknown pcb circuit" is probably the beeper circuit, i suppose there is a 555 IC on it, right?

[Geo]

5 minutes because is a box, but a silver buckle remain 1 minute or less.

Yes....:)

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan,
Your "unknown pcb circuit" is probably the beeper circuit, i suppose there is a 555 IC on it, right?



No,becouse i see careful and find only transistors in this unknown PCB...

[J_Player]

posts#284&285


post#262
Amazing.
This doubt was solved in post #262, but 25 posts later these two fellas still can't spot the answer...
Autist skepthics are the hardest ones.:lol:
OK. Let's become even more specific. The polaroid pictures were made NOT employing IR filters. Got it now?:thumb:The doubt was solved in post #262.... Oh really?

Post #262 is a post you made to answer a question I asked Esteban. Esteban already debunked your answer and told the true answer to my question. As it turned out you have been providing false information again. I look up farther where you tell Esteban that Fred's image is a software image probably made by a GPR type imaging device. This is more misinformation you posted, which Fred was able to quickly debunk.
I could go on about your BS about secret gold DNA, or how the Rangertell "shoots a carrier signal line", but what's the point? Why should I believe doubts are solved by your posts?

You made references that you post answers in the Tnet forum. Guess what?
This is not the Tnet forum. We are readers of Geotech forums.
In this forum you must be Be factual, or If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

From what I see, you are quick to put false propaganda answers in Esteban's mouth when aswering question you don't trust him to answer, but you are not capable of answering the questions I asked you.
Don't you remember my question?
Here it is again. Can you answer it?

Speaking of BS, Where are the IR photos you said I should watch and learn about? I can't find any IR photos in that video.
The only thing close to IR I saw was the light shining on the grass where the camera was pointed.
Was that the near IR LED beam the camera makes for low-light focusing?
http://www.treasurehunterssecretmanual.com/


Best wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

Hello Esteban,this is very interesting film about gold AURA. You already read the book,can you tell me how can i see the AURA in my buried gold medalion,how can i use my digital camera for this experience ? Its very interesting,i want to see if this is true...

Abrazos

I hope you are still very interrested, because here's my answer:

The CCD or CMOS chip of your digicam has to be sensitive to infrared - I think it is to some degree. If so you can either hold some infrared-filter or very dark sunglass before and take the shot of a potential treasure-area.

While finally processing this picture you must raise the contrast for a very high factor but without making everything too dark or bright.

Explanation:
The temperature-differences are minimal (perhaps only 1-2 degrees celsius) so you have to make them visible by filtering out the visible light and raising the contrast.

You also could try to film an area with some "nightshot-handycam" if it's gettin dark outside after sundown or in the early morning (dusk or dawn time) in infrared-modus but without using the inbuilt LED-lamp of the camera. Hope this helps.

[Morgan]

I hope you are still very interrested, because here's my answer:

The CCD or CMOS chip of your digicam has to be sensitive to infrared - I think it is to some degree. If so you can either hold some infrared-filter or very dark sunglass before and take the shot of a potential treasure-area.

While finally processing this picture you must raise the contrast for a very high factor but without making everything too dark or bright.

Explanation:
The temperature-differences are minimal (perhaps only 1-2 degrees celsius) so you have to make them visible by filtering out the visible light and raising the contrast.

You also could try to film an area with some "nightshot-handycam" if it's gettin dark outside after sundown or in the early morning (dusk or dawn time) in infrared-modus but without using the inbuilt LED-lamp of the camera. Hope this helps.


Seems complicated...

Thanks

[gaucho1961]

Hello friends,
I already had the opportunity to get this yellow pistol manufactured by Alonso, which Esteban posted the photo on that topic.
I made a copy of it for myself, with a fiberglass PCB and quality original components, and it has excellent detection, very accurate and works very well.
.

[gaucho1961]

The first photo shows the central hole where the infrared is.

[Geo]

Hello Gaucho...

Thanks for your photos, they are very interesting.
Can you tell me what is there inside the head?? an open loop (as at DCH) or a tuned coil????
Also is it possible to give us a better photo from inside the lrl??


Regards:)

[kostas87]

Awesome ,very nice mr. Gaucho!
I had the same idea , by fitting a metal detector to the head and an optical system together ..
how does the optical work?L.E.D. IR,LDR,selenium sell?

[humhum]

Hi gaucho1961 , Which ''nm'' receive this IR Led sensor ?
Please send me PM .

[abdou2014]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: guru

[abdou2014]

I MADE IT

https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=156394&postcount=119

[Geo]

Hi gaucho1961 , Which ''nm'' receive this IR Led sensor ?
Please send me PM .

Mr Alonso prefer the "old" FPT-100 at many of his lrl.

[humhum]

Mr Alonso prefer the "old" FPT-100 at many of his lrl.

Thanks for info Dear Master , this sensor receive is wide Band nm , but maybe now I know
what is real receive nm .

[Geo]

Some versions of Alonso's IR LRL use photoresistor in place of phototransistor.
The results are similar.... all detects the trees shandow

:)

[humhum]

Some versions of Alonso's IR LRL use photoresistor in place of phototransistor.
The results are similar.... all detects the trees shandow

:)

Yes Master , result is similar , because may be receive in same ''nm'',

Question:
When receive with IR sensor (in this time ) Does need any RF coil Tx Stimulator near IR
sensor ? Because Alonso IR Sensor is in center of Coil , or this coil is Receiver instead Tx.

[humhum]

The first photo shows the central hole where the infrared is.
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[Geo]

Yes Master , result is similar , because may be receive in same ''nm'',

Question:
When receive with IR sensor (in this time ) Does need any RF coil Tx Stimulator near IR
sensor ? Because Alonso IR Sensor is in center of Coil , or this coil is Receiver instead Tx.

A coil actuator ... I do not think so, but maybe a broadcast is good. Alonso does not use the IR sensor in the center of the coil in all versions.

:)

[Dubulumach]

Hello friends,
I already had the opportunity to get this yellow pistol manufactured by Alonso, which Esteban posted the photo on that topic.
I made a copy of it for myself, with a fiberglass PCB and quality original components, and it has excellent detection, very accurate and works very well.
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Hey gaucho1961! :)

Does there exist any stimulator of yellow lrl?
Magnetic type or IR type?

Regards

[Geo]

A coil actuator ... I do not think so, but maybe a broadcast is good. Alonso does not use the IR sensor in the center of the coil in all versions.

:)

Sorry for mistake... i mean coil stimulator!!!

[Geo]

Hey gaucho1961! :)

Does there exist any stimulator of yellow lrl?
Magnetic type or IR type?

Regards

At most cases Alonso was use a magnetic receiver together with the optical one.

[Geo]

The first photo shows the central hole where the infrared is.

The hole is very large.
Make it smaller...

[Geo]

Look here the hole of Alonso's ir receiver :)

[humhum]

At most cases Alonso was use a magnetic receiver together with the optical one.

Ok Master , correct system is IR optical receiver + Coil Receiver .

[Geo]

There is not correct....or wrong
With two sensors (ir + coil) you have a double detector with more posibilities

[zakari]

HI

[gaucho1961]

Good night to all friends! Inside the detector head there is a coil equal to the DCH, with no surprises of finding something different. The Infrared model used is the L14G2 TO-18 DIP3 Silicon phototransistor. I already had the FG-80, FG-90 and all of them the infrared scheme only brought me false signals, because when pointing in the direction where there was sun and then towards a shade of a tree, the infrared already gave a sign, this change of infrared visual frequency caused him to trigger the detector. I was able to resolve and eliminate these false signals by placing a piece of electrical tape over the infrared. These infrared do not have a filtering system, and any change in the visual spectrum it triggers, to be efficient, it would have to have a filtering system for about 700 to 740 nanometers, this visual frequency would be within what we want to use in our detectors.

[Geo]

FG80 and FG90 don't receive IR signals. They only transmit an IR signal by a Led.
Are you sure that the prototype yellow PD had the L14G2 as IR sensor and not the FPT100???

[kostas87]

I haven't the same problem and tried to do some stuff..I needed base LED direction ,and not outside from the box . I Place it inside to the box with a distance 1cm from one small hole .Even the distance from the small hole into the box was critical..

[zakari]

Hi
Geo fg90 has two infrared led one of them is front of the the box and another is inside ionic chamber
Gaucho 1961 the cover of the ionic chamber operate as the infrared filter
Best regard
Zakari

[Geo]

The basic is that FG90 don't receive IR signals.
I have see FG80 with one or two or nobody ir led.
Results .... the same!!!

[humhum]

Alonso maybe use two type IR Sensor with different '' nm ''

L14G2 като IR сензор, а не FPT100 : шокиран:

[Geo]

Maybe... only he knows.
I have open many lrls constructed by him and i found the FTP and photoresistors, this is the reason that i say it.

[gaucho1961]

Good evening everyone!



The infrared he uses on the yellow pistol is a 3-pin model mentioned in another post. I have a friend who has another model that Alonso manufactures in Paraguay. It's a handmade detector, but it works, because he went out to test the detector and the detector located an old rusty bucket buried some 25 meters away in the middle of some trees and vegetation. He paid $ 2,200 for the detector, but wants to sell for the same amount he paid, the detector is here with me, works with two 9v batteries in series. The system is very interesting, there are 5 PCBs, it is two detectors in one, and through a selector switch it is changed to one or the other detector, for long distance and short distance, and one of the detection plates is made by it , and another one is made by Mineoro, but it was crossed out to try to erase the name and model of this PCB. According to my friend who bought directly with Alonso, he said that this detector is the same as the FG-90, although I didn't see much similarity because it is all analog and does not have ATMEGA in the circuit. In this model, Alonso did not use any IR system, it is only a detection system and nothing else.

[Geo]

FG90 has the same receiver with Fg80.
Nobody of them uses an ATMEGA.

[gaucho1961]

Goodnight,

I already had the FG-80 and FG-90 but I never opened any to see the circuit, a friend who opened said he had an Atmega on the circuit. I was never interested in opening one and examining it ... not to lose my guarantee of the calibration that Alonso did when he was still giving such assistance. After Alonso broke off relations with Mineoro, and no longer provides assistance with upgrades and repairs, I lost interest in Mineoro detectors. Now Alonso no longer comes to Brazil every month, and receives his commercial participation from sales there in Paraguay, and there in a small room, he builds his detectors to order.

[Geo]

Your friend opened a PDC210 model.
As some guys informed me Alonso has stop to construst new lrl. From the other side i think he is old now (near to 80)...

[Douglass]

Your friend opened a PDC210 model.
As some guys informed me Alonso has stop to construst new lrl. From the other side i think he is old now (near to 80)...

Alonso is alive, I thought he had passed away

[Geo]

No... he is fine!!!
Maybe you are confused with Mr Damasio.

[Douglass]

No... he is fine!!!
Maybe you are confused with Mr Damasio.

If he were at Mineoro, things would be better with directionals that are no longer useful

[humhum]

Good evening everyone!


'' out to test the detector and the detector located an old rusty bucket buried some 25 meters away in the middle of some trees and vegetation. ''

Alonso did not use any IR system, it is only a detection system and nothing else.


It seems that this PD also detect rusty IRON ?

[Geo]

Most LRLs locate the rusty steel!!. It is different than the iron.

[Geo]

If he were at Mineoro, things would be better with directionals that are no longer useful

Mineoro needs a new planning.
Alonso never had the first word, Damasio was he!!.
If i remember right.... Esteban had say that Alonso had a small percentage in the company.
Now the first word has the son of Damasio... so nothing has change.

[Douglass]

Mineoro needs a new planning.
Alonso never had the first word, Damasio was he!!.
If i remember right.... Esteban had say that Alonso had a small percentage in the company.
Now the first word has the son of Damasio... so nothing has change.

I had a conversation with someone inside, that person told me the lack of concern, with the devices, directional. And only worrying about Porta Giratoria detectors

[humhum]

Most LRLs locate the rusty steel!!. It is different than the iron.

Ok , so far I haven't come across it , but it could . : о:

[Geo]

Never say "never"...:lol:

[Geo]

I had a conversation with someone inside, that person told me the lack of concern, with the devices, directional. And only worrying about Porta Giratoria detectors

What is this???

[Douglass]

What is this???

Bank door detector

[Geo]

Yes.... the money are much more.. :lol:

[humhum]

Never say "never"...:lol:

Yes , You is right Dear Friend . :D

[gaucho1961]

Good night my friends!
Yes, Alonso still has a percentage in the sales of the long distance detectors manufactured by Mineoro. He had some disagreements with one of the sons of Dam?sio who took over Mineoro, and ended up not coming here at the factory in Garopaba anymore, failing to do the upgrades and repairs on the detectors, and who does this service is the son of Dam?sio's second wife, only the repairs he does, the updates are not done on the detectors for two or three years. Mineoro is also closing the factory here in the city of Taquara, where Dam?sio is a natural and where Mineoro's factory started. Even the two-box detectors and the Dch-85 were made in Taquara city, and the manufacture of these detectors will also be stopped, they will no longer produce, what we still have is a small stock of ready detectors.
I say this because I spent the afternoon with whoever made these detectors, he is my friend, and he has worked at Mineoro for over 35 years.
Mineoro in Taquara is 50 km from my house, and I talked a lot with my friends there today.
A pity because the Mineoro complex in the city of Taquara has tools and machinery to make all these detectors that have become classics in this factory, coil winding machines, iron sheet bending machines, woodworking machines, in short, everything will be practically discarded and thrown in some container as scrap ...
Today I saw many detectors that customers left many years ago for repair and never came back for, and are there, one on top of the others thrown in a room.
I was very sad to see all that.
Mineoro was part of my life, since I was a teenager I had detectors of them, it was with Mineoro detectors that I started to do my treasure hunts, and with them I found many things of farmers and Jesuits throughout all states of Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay and Argentina.
It was with my findings that I did with Mineoro's detectors, when I started over 45 years ago, that I became known to Garrett, Whites and other factories, so I can't speak ill because with these detectors I built my name and acquired respect in this area of ​​treasure hunts.
The detectors are ugly, unfinished, grotesque, but they work perfectly, I have nothing to complain about, I don't prioritize finishing or beauty, but results, and that's what I had with them.
Today I see a company that has fallen, by Dam?sio's own children, who out of greed did not know how to manage and follow up, nor value the name of the company that old Dam?sio both preserved and maintained.
I met Dam?sio when he was still working in the city of Taquara, I was 14 years old, and that was when I acquired my first Mineoro detector, and he was my friend until his death. Bad or not, think what you want, I have nothing to complain about, a year after buying my first two boxes, I found with him my first Jesuit treasure, it was a 692B two boxes. Sorry for my outburst, but I'm really sad about the news I received today, just as I was sad about the news from the Whites Electronic factory in Oregon, I met great people inside and who are my dear friends today.

[gaucho1961]

Another thing,

Long-distance detectors can give signals on heavily oxidized iron. Depending on the alloy of iron, this chemical change that iron receives over the years buried and covered by particles of ores, it has also modified its conductivity, rising and leaving the negative scale of ferrous metals and occupying the scale for non-ferrous metals.

This can be clearly seen in ID numbered detectors, where a very oxidized and buried iron for many years shows an identification of a non-ferrous metal. I myself found iron very rusty with the FG-80 and FG-90, they were rusty from rust, and I dug 60 inches deep with a JeoHunter that told me it was non-ferrous metal, and it was a tractor piece very old and rusty.

These days a friend marked a target with an AG-90 that I made, and he used a Vanquish 340 and the ID was the same as 18K gold, and it was a very oxidized piece of iron 15 inches deep.

So it is more than proven that directionals can detect some very oxidized iron alloys, since they have been buried for many years.

[pablo72]

Another thing,

Long-distance detectors can give signals on heavily oxidized iron. Depending on the alloy of iron, this chemical change that iron receives over the years buried and covered by particles of ores, it has also modified its conductivity, rising and leaving the negative scale of ferrous metals and occupying the scale for non-ferrous metals.

This can be clearly seen in ID numbered detectors, where a very oxidized and buried iron for many years shows an identification of a non-ferrous metal. I myself found iron very rusty with the FG-80 and FG-90, they were rusty from rust, and I dug 60 inches deep with a JeoHunter that told me it was non-ferrous metal, and it was a tractor piece very old and rusty.

These days a friend marked a target with an AG-90 that I made, and he used a Vanquish 340 and the ID was the same as 18K gold, and it was a very oxidized piece of iron 15 inches deep.

So it is more than proven that directionals can detect some very oxidized iron alloys, since they have been buried for many years.


you confused conductivity of coroded metal or iron with intensity of dielectric field. you wrong.

[gaucho1961]

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[gaucho1961]

you confused conductivity of coroded metal or iron with intensity of dielectric field. you wrong.




That was the term I found to try to be understandable in my idea that I agree with Geo, that almost all LRLs detect steel or some rusty iron alloys, in fact, I gave some examples that occurred to me and some friends in practice, but you and everyone know what i mean. I think that dielectric field would not be what I am referring to, I believe that you are in another way than I tried to explain.

[Geo]

It is very sad what i read about Mineoro....:frown::frown:
Damasio was an inventor like Alonso, but his son it is a simple businessman, he never had a "hot" relation with Mineoro's LRL .

[humhum]

It is very sad what i read about Mineoro....:frown::frown:
Damasio was an inventor like Alonso, but his son it is a simple businessman, he never had a "hot" relation with Mineoro's LRL .

Yes Geo , very sad about Mineoro .,

About find of oxidized iron , Esteban say that need to use any filter for not find ,
also I think that PD, if is with IR Transmitter light ( Mineoro model FG80-FG90)
so it can find any Oxidation , but without IR Tx Led maybe not Find .

I'm not sure, it just might be so .

Does old original PD of Alonso (without use any IR Tx or Rx system ) find any iron ?

[Douglass]

Yes Geo , very sad about Mineoro .,

About find of oxidized iron , Esteban say that need to use any filter for not find ,
also I think that PD, if is with IR Transmitter light ( Mineoro model FG80-FG90)
so it can find any Oxidation , but without IR Tx Led maybe not Find .

I'm not sure, it just might be so .

Does old original PD of Alonso (without use any IR Tx or Rx system ) find any iron ?

LRL that does not eliminate iron is not LRL but a long-range MD:lol::lol:

[kostas87]

LRL that does not eliminate iron is not LRL but a long-range MD:lol::lol:

I agree with that.
something is happening and it needs some direction in fine metal tuning, to detect precious metals remotely. the signal transmission is separated and isolated into noble metals and ferrous metals. the signal absorption must be in separation to detect only noble metals in order to have a signal in noble metals .. you will not need a large detection range .. maybe 2-6 meters with very clear signals is a very good result .

[Geo]

I don't agree....
Every signal is detectable and we can't discriminate it at least with the cheap equipment we have

:)

[humhum]

LRL that does not eliminate iron is not LRL but a long-range MD:lol::lol:

Yes , You is right with this reports only for bad calibrated LRL , so it will located all metals and also IRON miscellaneous , but correct calibration is full reverse .
You said that know How is this ...

[Douglass]

Yes , You is right with this reports only for bad calibrated LRL , so it will located all metals and also IRON miscellaneous , but correct calibration is full reverse .
You said that know How is this ...

In my the system I know I how it is but it is totally different from the ones used in LRL like the PD, in mine it has the same principle as the FG 90 80, and without batteries totally passive by polarization

[humhum]

In my the system I know I how it is but it is totally different from the ones used in LRL like the PD, in mine it has the same principle as the FG 90 80, and without batteries totally passive by polarization

May be I know about Your system , here use coils with many polirisation and connect to hand of user , also will be connect to Mineoro sensor (it is without polirisation - direct connection to Receiver , when is so You use Human energy with Resonant of selected Metal . it looks like Mineor LRL . Here have Batteries for wide band Receiver ,
But your system may also be different .

[Douglass]

May be I know about Your system , here use coils with many polirisation and connect to hand of user , also will be connect to (mineoro) sensor (it is without polirisation - direct connection to Receiver , when is so You use Human energy with Resonant of selected Metal . it looks like Mineor LRL . Here have Batteries for wide band Receiver ,
But your system may also be different .

This works hum hum? Like, by the fact that I use the functional principle of the ionic camera, mineoro, which generates the polarization of the sample that can be + or - + ,Gold, this is the first step but my system simplifies what an electronic circuit does. So it comes as a gift the calibration that the system offers for the good and strong gold fields

[humhum]

This works hum hum? Like, by the fact that I use the functional principle of the ionic camera, mineoro, which generates the polarization of the sample that can be + or - + ,Gold, this is the first step but my system simplifies what an electronic circuit does. So it comes as a gift the calibration that the system offers for the good and strong gold fields

Before I say to You , I know this system and parts , This method is only for İonic/Electrostatic receiver .
Yes I know that works this system , Also my Mineoro sensor have this option for receiver , can receive + or - Signal , but I
use only one from this .

Location of very big Object with your Mineoro , is from What Km ?
I think that this is Max. 500m or 1Km .

[Douglass]

Before I say to You , I know this system and parts , This method is only for İonic/Electrostatic receiver .
Yes I know that works this system , Also my Mineoro sensor have this option for receiver , can receive + or - Signal , but I
use only one from this .

Location of very big Object with your Mineoro , is from What Km ?
I think that this is Max. 500m or 1Km .

The distance in my system is reduced according to the calibration, for strong fields it greatly reduces the distance at most it will take 50 meters but with a very high hit rate for gold. With calibration for weak fields it increases to more than 100 meters. marking the field-generating quartz. Calibration x equal distance x for gold with hit and miss percentages.

All of this is more or less since it depends on the size of the object, the time it is buried and climatic factors and much more is just a basis.

[humhum]

The distance in my system is reduced according to the calibration, for strong fields it greatly reduces the distance at most it will take 50 meters but with a very high hit rate for gold. With calibration for weak fields it increases to more than 100 meters. marking the field-generating quartz. Calibration x equal distance x for gold with hit and miss percentages.

All of this is more or less since it depends on the size of the object, the time it is buried and climatic factors and much more is just a basis.

Can you get a signal right over the target?
My Mineoro will not receive a signal if it approaches the depth diameter of the target, so is the original Mineoro.
Also not work in Cool wheather days , only in hot days .

Can You post one outside view Photo from Your device ?

[Douglass]

Can you get a signal right over the target?
My Mineoro will not receive a signal if it approaches the depth diameter of the target, so is the original Mineoro.
Also not work in Cool wheather days , only in hot days .

Can You post one outside view Photo from Your device ?

the phenomenon can also be detected through the ionic wind and calibrated with super perfection, all this by the inertia without a sound signal as soon as my system works on the antenna. It hides behind the classic dowsing. I believe that only Damazio mastered this method. (But nobody believed him)

[humhum]

the phenomenon can also be detected through the ionic wind and calibrated with super perfection, all this by the inertia without a sound signal as soon as my system works on the antenna. It hides behind the classic dowsing. I believe that only Damazio mastered this method. (But nobody believed him)

If I understand right that Damasio use Dowsing Rod for localization point and deep measuring (meter) when is over buried , also I use this method when use my Mineoro , but when I use Alonso PD then not need dowsing for full location of point , here Rod need olny for measuring of deep meter , not for location .


Douglass , does You have any outside Photo from your Locator LRL for post here , because You say that is different type locator . ??

[Douglass]

If I understand right that Damasio use Dowsing Rod for localization point and deep measuring (meter) when is over buried , also I use this method when use my Mineoro , but when I use Alonso PD then not need dowsing for full location of point , here Rod need olny for measuring of deep meter , not for location .


Douglass , does You have any outside Photo from your Locator LRL for post here , because You say that is different type locator . ??

One thing is worth mentioning. Damasio built and uses an ionic Lrod. He's a master at it. When I went to the beach with him when I was there, the ionic fields were terribly low. My PDC seemed useless. With his ionic stick, he detected an object that kept walking until he passed over it and told me. 'On here. try the PDC around here, 'he said, showing me an exact location. I pointed the PDC on it at 10 cm and it blew! Making a confirmation.

The procedure is always the same. He only decides to go to the beach when, in the factory's test field, he tries on his antenna and discovers that there is a lot of ionic field activity, worth, to go out.

Someone said that on the forum, and that's what I have been talking about reading the fields and their good and bad times of propagation. Hum Hum you have several methods in the search for metals congratulations I have only one. My system, as I said, is very simplified, I can't post more pictures without revealing what it looks like. In the photo of the topic I posted to see how small the 2 sets on the Antenna are.

[gaucho1961]

Good evening everyone,
Recently a friend with a FG-90 lost a great treasure on an old farm.
He used a two-box 08MI and had a mark, a sign, took his FG-90 and almost rubbed that detector across the floor but had no sign.
As he had already dug several holes that day, finding a lot of iron waste, he decided not to dig this sign that he had with his 08MI. As this was the last place on the farm he researched, he spent the rest of the time trying in every way to detect something from that target with the FG-90, but it was a waste of time, the FG-90 gave no sign.
Two days later, the owner of the farm that was with him went to my friend's house, and invited him to go back to his farm, the farmer showed that someone opened a hole and found a clay pot that was broken inside that one. hole.
My friend was very sad and indignant about that situation, and the angry farmer with my friend because this farmer is an old schoolmate, and the two have a friendship of more than 50 years.
That is why I prefer to have a long-distance detector that marks any imperfections that I have on the ground, because that way I know that I will not lose anything historical or anything of commercial value.
When I made my detector, I already thought about it, building something that would detect soil imperfections over a long distance, and that had a very sharp sensitivity, to detect signs of small pieces of metal.
I spent a lot of work and spent a lot of money traveling with my Mineoro detectors, always depending on the weather, atmospheric pressure, time of day, among other impediments to use.
I wanted something that was functional and practical, and could be used at any time of the day and even at night.
And today I have the AG-90, which I developed and which works with two super directional antennas, and which has given me a lot of pleasure and satisfaction.
Where are you from Douglas?
What state and city in Brazil do you live in?

[humhum]

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''When I went to the beach with him when I was there, the ionic fields were terribly low.
My PDC seemed useless.''
Yes , in test also my Mineoro not work near sea in beach , about my PD , I not test it and not know , but I believe that will work , because is
this is Electro Magnetic detector not Ionic/Electrostatik ..

''Someone said that on the forum, and that's what I have been talking about reading the fields and their good and bad times of propagation.'
Yes right need good wheather coundition for Find Buried , but these condition valid only for
Ionic receivers .

''My system, as I said, is very simplified,''
What parts have Your Dowsing Rod system ?
I think that is so : One Rod using for Antenna , classifier , PCB electronic with parts and
Beeper (all this is inside of handhold ) .

'' I can't post more pictures without revealing what it looks like. In the photo of the topic I posted to see how small the 2 sets on the Antenna are ''
You Why said MORE , before did You post any photos ? Where is this Link or topic
please show me about small the 2 sets on the Antenna , I can't find it . :(

[humhum]

Yes one photo was in this link :

https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19477&highlight=douglass

[Douglass]

Good evening everyone,
Recently a friend with a FG-90 lost a great treasure on an old farm.
He used a two-box 08MI and had a mark, a sign, took his FG-90 and almost rubbed that detector across the floor but had no sign.
As he had already dug several holes that day, finding a lot of iron waste, he decided not to dig this sign that he had with his 08MI. As this was the last place on the farm he researched, he spent the rest of the time trying in every way to detect something from that target with the FG-90, but it was a waste of time, the FG-90 gave no sign.
Two days later, the owner of the farm that was with him went to my friend's house, and invited him to go back to his farm, the farmer showed that someone opened a hole and found a clay pot that was broken inside that one. hole.
My friend was very sad and indignant about that situation, and the angry farmer with my friend because this farmer is an old schoolmate, and the two have a friendship of more than 50 years.
That is why I prefer to have a long-distance detector that marks any imperfections that I have on the ground, because that way I know that I will not lose anything historical or anything of commercial value.
When I made my detector, I already thought about it, building something that would detect soil imperfections over a long distance, and that had a very sharp sensitivity, to detect signs of small pieces of metal.
I spent a lot of work and spent a lot of money traveling with my Mineoro detectors, always depending on the weather, atmospheric pressure, time of day, among other impediments to use.
I wanted something that was functional and practical, and could be used at any time of the day and even at night.
And today I have the AG-90, which I developed and which works with two super directional antennas, and which has given me a lot of pleasure and satisfaction.
Where are you from Douglas?
What state and city in Brazil do you live in?

Sao Paulo. (Center);)

[Douglass]

Yes one photo was in this link :

https://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19477&highlight=douglass

This is the set that does all the work I am in urban areas. But there is no electrical interference to this method, it rains a lot here, but I will return, in a signal a month ago, marked with the antenna, and I will show, together simple sensor posted by Morgan marking and consuming the gold field.

[gaucho1961]

''When I went to the beach with him when I was there, the ionic fields were terribly low.
My PDC seemed useless.''
Yes , in test also my Mineoro not work near sea in beach , about my PD , I not test it and not know , but I believe that will work , because is
this is Electro Magnetic detector not Ionic/Electrostatik ..

''Someone said that on the forum, and that's what I have been talking about reading the fields and their good and bad times of propagation.'
Yes right need good wheather coundition for Find Buried , but these condition valid only for
Ionic receivers .

''My system, as I said, is very simplified,''
What parts have Your Dowsing Rod system ?
I think that is so : One Rod using for Antenna , classifier , PCB electronic with parts and
Beeper (all this is inside of handhold ) .

'' I can't post more pictures without revealing what it looks like. In the photo of the topic I posted to see how small the 2 sets on the Antenna are ''
You Why said MORE , before did You post any photos ? Where is this Link or topic
please show me about small the 2 sets on the Antenna , I can't find it . :(


Good afternoon my friends,
Actually the master in long distance schemes is Alonso, Damasio enters this context with something that Alonso did not have, offering a partnership for manufacturing, in the industrial part, machinery, laboratory, oscilloscopes and other sophisticated electronics instruments, apart of electronic engineering, and electro mechanics for the development of projects and circuits, in the financial part, and with the years Damasio ended up having a participation in the development and creation of these long distance detectors.
It is worth mentioning that, even with all the partnership and this friendship during long years working together, Alonso always kept secrets that he knew, he did not open all his knowledge to Damasio.
Damasio was always a difficult person to live with, he was very stubborn, if he said anything, or showed how it should be done, his idea could not be changed or altered. Alonso always kept secrets and discoveries about his projects, even for Damasio, he showed his hand, but not the whole arm, and I believe that this was reciprocal of Damasio.
When Alonso stopped going to Garopaba, the detectors lost quality and the responsibility to be repaired and to receive upgrades from the inventor. It is a pity that this happened in the relationship between the company Mineoro and Alonso.
Certainly Alonso keeps the best for him, he must have a lot stored and drawn on sheets of paper, diagrams and circuitry of long-distance detectors that were never produced and manufactured for commercial purposes.
Today, after being separated from his wife, he lives alone assembling and selling his detectors to survive in a room in a house in Paraguay.
It is the yellow pistol, the white and some other models, but the good thing about all the discoveries in the area of ​​long distance he does not produce and does not reveal to anyone.
I have heard that he received visits and offers from directors of major detector factories, but he rejected them all.
He is still hurt and disappointed with the partnership relationship with Mineoro, and due to his age he will certainly take everything he knows and has saved for the grave, a pity really.

[Geo]

Yes, you have right. The only person who was know his secrets was Esteban but now his problems don't let him to give them to other.... Two years ago, i was plan to visit Esteban and to make a big discourse about lrls, but job and Covid-19 did n't allow me. Now the years gone and it comes more difficult to do this visit....
Also i am afraid that Esteban don't remember all secrets so well!!!
From the other side we must not forget that Alonso many times used tricks to do his lrls to beep and to sell them. I know some ocasions....

:)

[gaucho1961]

Yes, you have right. The only person who was know his secrets was Esteban but now his problems don't let him to give them to other.... Two years ago, i was plan to visit Esteban and to make a big discourse about lrls, but job and Covid-19 did n't allow me. Now the years gone and it comes more difficult to do this visit....
Also i am afraid that Esteban don't remember all secrets so well!!!
From the other side we must not forget that Alonso many times used tricks to do his lrls to beep and to sell them. I know some ocasions....

:)


True, Esteban was Alonso apprentice and pupil, and he learned a lot from Alonso, in a time when everything was different. I covered a lot with Esteban, a dear friend who suffered this fatality, a silent illness that left him unable to work with the detectors and the electronics that brought so much satisfaction and joy, another genius and who was very knowledgeable. I heard that he doesn't even like to comment and talk about it anymore, because it brings a lot of sadness and depression, his life has changed 100% in every way. I exchanged many ideas with him, projects and circuits that I did, some he made the right correction and then sent me, we exchanged many projects, and he was always an important person to me, he helped me and encouraged me to create detector projects. I talked to him a lot, even after the problem, the disease, but the subject was always about electronics and detectors ... and that saddened him, and little by little we stopped talking to each other, but I always hear about him. , by mutual friends.

[Douglass]

True, Esteban was Alonso apprentice and pupil, and he learned a lot from Alonso, in a time when everything was different. I covered a lot with Esteban, a dear friend who suffered this fatality, a silent illness that left him unable to work with the detectors and the electronics that brought so much satisfaction and joy, another genius and who was very knowledgeable. I heard that he doesn't even like to comment and talk about it anymore, because it brings a lot of sadness and depression, his life has changed 100% in every way. I exchanged many ideas with him, projects and circuits that I did, some he made the right correction and then sent me, we exchanged many projects, and he was always an important person to me, he helped me and encouraged me to create detector projects. I talked to him a lot, even after the problem, the disease, but the subject was always about electronics and detectors ... and that saddened him, and little by little we stopped talking to each other, but I always hear about him. , by mutual friends.
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Very good to bring us this information thanks! Gaucho I see a channel, with his AG 90 device, excellent LRL, Parabens.

[humhum]

May God help Alonso and Esteban, but it would be very sad if such valuable information will be
lost after some time.

[abdou2014]

I wish a complete recovery for our dear friend Esteban

[Geo]

True, Esteban was Alonso apprentice and pupil, and he learned a lot from Alonso, in a time when everything was different. I covered a lot with Esteban, a dear friend who suffered this fatality, a silent illness that left him unable to work with the detectors and the electronics that brought so much satisfaction and joy, another genius and who was very knowledgeable. I heard that he doesn't even like to comment and talk about it anymore, because it brings a lot of sadness and depression, his life has changed 100% in every way. I exchanged many ideas with him, projects and circuits that I did, some he made the right correction and then sent me, we exchanged many projects, and he was always an important person to me, he helped me and encouraged me to create detector projects. I talked to him a lot, even after the problem, the disease, but the subject was always about electronics and detectors ... and that saddened him, and little by little we stopped talking to each other, but I always hear about him. , by mutual friends.


The strange of the story is other........
Paraguay showed up two specialist on LRLs (maybe the best all over the world), Alonso and Esteban.
Although they constructed a lot of lrls all these years i don't see members from Paraguay here at forum. It is like they don't looking for Treasures hunting...

Strange!!!!:(

[gaucho1961]

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Very good to bring us this information thanks! Gaucho I see a channel, with his AG 90 device, excellent LRL, Parabens.


The strange of the story is other........
Paraguay showed up two specialist on LRLs (maybe the best all over the world), Alonso and Esteban.
Although they constructed a lot of lrls all these years i don't see members from Paraguay here at forum. It is like they don't looking for Treasures hunting...

Strange!!!!:(


Good night friends,
Esteban had this glaucoma in the back of his eyes, and despite all medical efforts, it was something very serious and irreversible unfortunately.
I understand perfectly, and I know that everyone here putting himself in his place will also know how hard it was and it is being difficult for him and for his whole family.
This depression that he has faced since he had glaucoma is natural, because this disease took him away from the things he liked most and was part of his life, electronics, long-distance detectors, computers, and any technology that appeared on the world market. Unfortunately, I know that many projects that are still unfinished, prototypes will be lost in time, both on the part of Alonso and Esteban, this is inevitable, as the two closed themselves off to the world in this area, one does not even want to speak and comment on the respect for electronics and detectors because he gets sick and depressed, this is Esteban, and Alonso only manufactures his detectors to sell, without finishing, without quality, using poor quality components, and without electronic and technical innovations, he doesn't even have an oscilloscope to check the frequencies of the detectors he builds, he takes advantage of the name he has earned over the years, and today he builds his detectors with the intent of making money from sales.
I respect and have a great admiration for these two men who created and invented detectors that today bring us here, trying to copy and do better. We were awakened to study, to innovate and to try to build our long-distance detectors.
I am grateful to these two great men who I consider the inventors of long-distance detection and its derivations, without them I would not have created my detectors that I have today.
To Douglas,
I thank you for your words, the AG-90 detector and other detectors I have is the example I posted above, they remain thanks to Alonso and Esteban, they were and are my idols and reference in long distance detectors.


To Geo,
I know all of Paraguay, most of the people live with few resources, they are very kind and welcoming people, at least with the Brazilians, and I have many friends there, and they are very fond of treasure hunts.
I believe that because of the few resources they have is that we no longer see Paraguayans on the forums, I would have no other explanation for that.
But I can assure you that there are many treasure hunters in that country.
Until a few years ago there was no metal detector store in Paraguay, and as I had good contact with Whites Electronics people, I put a Brazilian friend as a representative in Paraguay, selling Whites detectors, and he opened a store in the region metropolitan capital, incidentally in the same city as Alonso, today he works with all brands of detectors expanding and publicizing the hobby of treasure hunts in Paraguay.

I apologize to everyone for my long texts, is that I do not know how to express myself and speak in a few words .... kkkk ...

Greetings to all friend!

[FrancoItaly]

I totally agree with you, I have always believed in Esteban, despite some criticism, without him there would be no more this forum and even functioning lrls. I hope that the affection of us "elders" of the forum can bring him some relief.

[gaucho1961]

I totally agree with you, I have always believed in Esteban, despite some criticism, without him there would be no more this forum and even functioning lrls. I hope that the affection of us "elders" of the forum can bring him some relief.


Good afternoon,
Yes Franco, we cannot deny how much we learned from them, and how many doubts we solved based on Esteban's posts, giving us motivation to create and invent, and we owe them part of our knowledge and the successes achieved.
We have much to thank these two people who brought us and bring us so many joys and achievements, are the motivators of everyone to move forward creating and developing our humble long-distance detectors.
I feel a great sadness for Esteban, and this irony of destiny, to take away his ability to see and take the pleasure of doing what he liked most.
Life is a bit ungrateful for some ...
But nobody is free of what life has in store for us in the future, so we will enjoy it, share our experiences and achievements with friends, and at the same time, carrying forward everything that Alonso and Esteban taught us and left us with legacy, both in the knowledge, as well as the generosity of helping with the detection electronics, just as Esteban did here on the forum.

[Geo]

Good evening everyone!



The infrared he uses on the yellow pistol is a 3-pin model mentioned in another post. I have a friend who has another model that Alonso manufactures in Paraguay. It's a handmade detector, but it works, because he went out to test the detector and the detector located an old rusty bucket buried some 25 meters away in the middle of some trees and vegetation. He paid $ 2,200 for the detector, but wants to sell for the same amount he paid, the detector is here with me, works with two 9v batteries in series. The system is very interesting, there are 5 PCBs, it is two detectors in one, and through a selector switch it is changed to one or the other detector, for long distance and short distance, and one of the detection plates is made by it , and another one is made by Mineoro, but it was crossed out to try to erase the name and model of this PCB. According to my friend who bought directly with Alonso, he said that this detector is the same as the FG-90, although I didn't see much similarity because it is all analog and does not have ATMEGA in the circuit. In this model, Alonso did not use any IR system, it is only a detection system and nothing else.


Hello Gaucho.
Do you have any photos from inside of this lrl???

:)

[gaucho1961]

Hello Gaucho.
Do you have any photos from inside of this lrl???

:)
Goodnight,
Geo, I have some photos but I'm asking permission from the owner of the detector to disclose, I always try to respect when they ask me for secrecy and discretion, I always acted like that.
If he authorizes me I will put pictures of him without problems here ok?

[Geo]

Hello Gaucho.
No problem, i wait...
I am not interesting for the schematic of it but only to see what Alonso use...
I know the most schematics of Alonso and now i want to see what he put inside this plastic box. Maybe he has a pcb from PDC210 and some other handmade pcbs.....

:)

[kostas87]

My PD like Esteban optical and alonso look.
works with the IR optical system and With metal detector near distance LRL..in summer work whit the metal detector near locketor.
the phenomenon is intense in the dry climate and the opticalin lower posision , the optics have signals from various things from sun in the summer ... In the winter I work with the IR optical system more ,because the humidity covers the phenomenon and does not detect it from the coils, and finally if i find a signal from near distance I just activate the metal detector to find the metal in the soil. when the climate is not too hot or too cold, i think they can work together for a longer distance ..
From difrent shematic in the forum and from friends. :)

[Geo]

Hi Kostas.
Good T.H....
:)

[abdou2014]

nice job Costas, I also have several IR prototypes, I have a passive model (electric + IR) like the yellow pd, and I have a pure IR prototype with two modes, detection amplitude and frequency, very new and very promising. :)

[liudengyuand]

good