Alonso PD

[Geo]

I attach a photo from a treasure hunting, yesterday at a mountain:)

[Theseus]

I attach a photo from a treasure hunting, yesterday at a mountain:)

Was there any treasure found? What's that thing in his hand; a bull horn? Can you call treasure in with it, like using a duck call?

[Esteban]

Was there any treasure found? What's that thing in his hand; a bull horn? Can you call treasure in with it, like using a duck call?



Is a joke? Or this is not "familiar" for you?

[Theseus]

Is a joke? Or this is not "familiar" for you?
Is a joke.

Sorry, did not mean to purposely confuse you.

[WM6]

I attach a photo from a treasure hunting, yesterday at a mountain:)



Hi Geo. Nice photo. You're very convincing, but that thing in your hand you really do not port.

What about your new TDI, you take it with? Or you make LRL from it?

[J_Player]

I attach a photo from a treasure hunting, yesterday at a mountain:)Hi Geo,
Thank you for sending the nice photo. I believe you were treasure hunting at that mountain. I cannot prove this, but I recognize the Alonso pistol clone in your hand, and I see the other hand in your pocket where you keep the things you found on the treasure hunt. I also see the mountain behind you. So I believe you really were treasure hunting. This is better than only talking about treasure hunting. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo. Nice photo. You're very convincing, but that thing in your hand you really do not port.

What about your new TDI, you take it with? Or you make LRL from it?

Hi WM6.
I went tonight (before 2 hours) at a place full of ceramics to looking for some silver coins. I had with me the Sovereign and the TDI. Sovereign had not the ability to detect a coin at distance more than 12 cm down the ceramics. TDI was FIRST. No problem from ceramics. So i found some objects with it. As you understood i did not made it LRL. I have other LRLs!!!!

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Thank you for sending the nice photo. I believe you were treasure hunting at that mountain. I cannot prove this, but I recognize the Alonso pistol clone in your hand, and I see the other hand in your pocket where you keep the things you found on the treasure hunt. I also see the mountain behind you. So I believe you really were treasure hunting. This is better than only talking about treasure hunting. :)

Best wishes,
J_P


Hi J_P.
Thanks!!!
I had one hand in my pocket because it was cold (only 3 oC).
I took signals with the PD up of a narrow path. I tried the frame of DP but without very good results. I will go again with DB and the smaller coil (60x60cm) and a tall base (about 3m) so to have the ability to detect at some tall points. I am looking for a big amount of gold coins, and PD seems to make very good it job:lol:

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Thanks!!!
I had one hand in my pocket because it was cold (only 3 oC).
I took signals with the PD up of a narrow path. I tried the frame of DP but without very good results. I will go again with DB and the smaller coil (60x60cm) and a tall base (about 3m) so to have the ability to detect at some tall points. I am looking for a big amount of gold coins, and PD seems to make very good it job:lol:

Regards:)Hi Geo,
Big amount of gold coins sounds good.
Please take your camera and send photos when the PD finds big coins. I like to see photos with PD before digging and after. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Hi Geo !,

I think your PD is being attracted by the metallic bridge behind you :lol:

you know what? you look like a reporter with you micro in your hand ;)

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Big amount of gold coins sounds good.
Please take your camera and send photos when the PD finds big coins. I like to see photos with PD before digging and after. :)

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
Remember that at Greece the treasure hunting and the ownership of metal detectors are not allowed by the laws. So it is very difficult to and dangerous to take photos at the night. I can give photos after the digging at home, but people here have problem with simple photos:lol:. They want the same photo 3 times, one first when i will locate a object and other two with the double blind test:lol:. So i must dig the object, and to put it again in the hole so to make the double blind. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Very clever:razz::razz:

Regards:)

[Geo]

Hi Geo !,

I think your PD is being attracted by the metallic bridge behind you :lol:

you know what? you look like a reporter with you micro in your hand ;)

Maybe my PD to attracted by the metallic bridge:lol: because it is very very sensitive:lol::lol:
You have right.... i resemble like a reporter but i am not:lol:

Regards:)

[J_Player]

Maybe my PD to attracted by the metallic bridge:lol: because it is very very sensitive:lol::lol:
You have right.... i resemble like a reporter but i am not:lol:

Regards:)I agree with Fred.
You look like you can be a very good reporter.
Maybe you will find more gold from working for the TV station than from treasure hunting :)

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Remember that at Greece the treasure hunting and the ownership of metal detectors are not allowed by the laws.

:)

Hi Geo, then you are probably ready to sell TDI? What price you asked?

[Esteban]

No mountain here, no snow, but also we're real treasure hunting. I have tons for show, but what for? If skeptical are more blind than blind test! This sequence is with Alonso's PD too, another version! The only witnesses are the landlords. We found another 3 items (total: 4) the same day in semi-virgin areas.

[J_Player]

No mountain here, no snow, but also we're real treasure hunting. I have tons for show, but what for? If skeptical are more blind than blind test! This sequence is with Alonso's PD too, another version! The only witnesses are the landlords. We found another 3 items (total: 4) the same day in semi-virgin areas.Hi Esteban,
Very nice photos. I see the ring in hand after digging target area. Excellent presentation.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Esteban,
Very nice photos. I see the ring in hand after digging target area. Excellent presentation.

Best wishes,
J_P

I forgot! See in blue circle the sand. Pistol also is used as normal MD for to found the item in the sparzed sand or hole!

[Esteban]

There are some photos, but more of it are family pics and other categories. All B&W. Not copied yet!

[WM6]

No mountain here, no snow, but also we're real treasure hunting. I have tons for show, but what for? If skeptical are more blind than blind test! This sequence is with Alonso's PD too, another version! The only witnesses are the landlords. We found another 3 items (total: 4) the same day in semi-virgin areas.

Esteban, probably you do not know, but pictured ring and other findings was bought in local jewellery store few days ago and buried by machete stitch . Bill was still in Alonsos left pocket in moment of finding. Only commercial performance for naive.

[Fred]

Funny to find a ring so deeply buried.

The problem with sceptics is that they open their eyes to see proofs...damn.

[Esteban]

Funny to find a ring so deeply buried.

The problem with sceptics is that the open their eyes to see proofs...damn.

If you participate in one of these trips, then you can comprobe and film... But ever you'll need another "high authority" in this field. For example, if you J_P, Carl, Sam S. and other participates and comprobe it, will not enough for many reasons, due maybe you can't reproduce (but I'm not sure!) conditions created by nature and adjusted with all environmental parameters, magnetic field on Earth in locations, etc. The next time I'll film it. But what for?

[WM6]

If you participate in one of these trips, then you can comprobe and film...



Of course, such trip may only be directed and controled by LRL promoters.

Why you do not make such trip to Carl and take her gold? It would be biggest possible LRL promotion.

[Geo]

Hi Geo, then you are probably ready to sell TDI? What price you asked?

How did you understood it?????
I don't know what are you doing at your country, but here at Greece we say that "the gifts are not given away"

[Geo]

Funny to find a ring so deeply buried.

The problem with sceptics is that they open their eyes to see proofs...damn.

Hi Fred.
What are you mean with "sceptics" ????
Who are sceptics here :lol::lol::lol:
Sceptics have open eyes.... here the only that see is the "Blind" test:lol::lol:

Regards:)

[Geo]

Of course, such trip may only be directed and controled by LRL promoters.

Why you do not make such trip to Carl and take her gold? It would be biggest possible LRL promotion.

As i remember before one year (about) Esteban said what he wanted to go to USA to do the test. I think it was J_P who wrote that Carl was not able to pay these money (at least for those time).
I want J_P to answer if this is True or Not.
Regards:)

[Fred]

If you participate in one of these trips, then you can comprobe and film... But ever you'll need another "high authority" in this field. For example, if you J_P, Carl, Sam S. and other participates and comprobe it, will not enough for many reasons, due maybe you can't reproduce (but I'm not sure!) conditions created by nature and adjusted with all environmental parameters, magnetic field on Earth in locations, etc. The next time I'll film it. But what for?

You know, even if I was going with you to observe and and film, i would not trust the results is see without real proof, because i know our brain can be easily fooled by appearances.

Hi Fred.
What are you mean with "sceptics" ????
Who are sceptics here :lol::lol::lol:

Regards:)
Hi Geo,
That´s a good question :rolleyes:

[J_Player]

As i remember before one year (about) Esteban said what he wanted to go to USA to do the test. I think it was J_P who wrote that Carl was not able to pay these money (at least for those time).
I want J_P to answer if this is True or Not.
Regards:)Hi Geo,
It was true there was no prize money at the time when I posted it. From what I read it is also true today.
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reward.dat

Maybe the prize money is here again, and the page is not updated yet. I don't know. Only Carl-NC can answer that question.


There is one test you can make that I know for sure is true: You can show me your LRL working where I live, and I will put a professional web page to show photos and videos of your LRL working, and links to the major treasure hunting forums. If I am impressed with what I see, then I will buy it from you if you are willing to sell it.


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

How did you understood it?????
I don't know what are you doing at your country, but here at Greece we say that "the gifts are not given away"

Very well, Geo. It was only joke, provoke you to tell something about your TDI experience.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
It was true there was no prize money at the time when I posted it. From what I read it is also true today.
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reward.dat

Maybe the prize money is here again, and the page is not updated yet. I don't know. Only Carl-NC can answer that question.


There is one test you can make that I know for sure is true: You can show me your LRL working where I live, and I will put a professional web page to show photos and videos of your LRL working, and links to the major treasure hunting forums. If I am impressed with what I see, then I will buy it from you if you are willing to sell it.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I have not any problem if Esteban will make the test or Not.
BUT i tired to hear the same caramel... "go to take the Carl's money, from people that don't attend the site.

Regards:)

[Geo]

Very well, Geo. It was only joke, provoke you to tell something about your TDI experience.


Hi.
I can tell you at an other thread.
Generally a very good PI detector with not so good depth, if you work it at GB mode

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
I have not any problem if Esteban will make the test or Not.
BUT i tired to hear the same caramel... "go to take the Carl's money, from people that don't attend the site.

Regards:)Hi Geo,
Carl's test is a double blind test where you must try to find which paper plate a fresh gold sample is hidden under. I can think of no way to conduct this test for a long-time buried metal target. Unless you have a LRL that will find a fresh target hidden under a plate at 10 feet, I don't think you can win that challenge.

If you want to show that your LRL is locating long-time buried metals, then you can go to a place where you have not been before with witnesses watching, and locate a target. Then the watchers will see you dig the target from the place where your LRL says it is buried. This can be demonstrated better if the witnesses pick the location for the test in a place where you are likely to find some targets. Then you can take pictures and videos to show digging the target like the Alonso treasure hunt shows in Esteban's photos.

But if you want skeptics to believe this, then skeptics must be watching and reporting back here so other skeptics will know they do not have a reason to make false claims. Even if a skeptic tells the true story of what he saw, it is possible other skeptics will call him a liar.

For me, I don't care if your LRL works or not. I can report what I see exactly, and tell all the details of how the test location was chosen, and any empty holes along with any treasure holes. There are many places close to here where there is a good chance to find natural gold buried for thousands of years that nobody dug yet. And the laws here do not stop you from digging large gold nuggets when you are on certain public lands or on private land with permission from the owners. I can make videos of the whole treasure hunt for people to believe or not when they see it on a website. And and I don't care if they say it proves something or not.

You can do the same where you are, but be careful to not show anyone's face in the videos or you may have trouble from government officials.

Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Hi all friends and happy your new year. I wish best things for you.

....Remember that at Greece the treasure hunting and the ownership of metal detectors are not allowed by the laws. So it is very difficult to and dangerous to ......
Geo, your gesture is good but seems amateur photographer take it hastily caused not transparent pic.:D
I hope great success for you and all other serious T-seekers. I know deeply that PD works; no doubt for me personally.:cool:
But, if in your country like mine THing is illegal, how you venture to put your own photograph? :shocked: :D

another Question: you pointed it as a gift, is it the original Alonso made PD which Morgan has granted you?;)
"the gifts are not given away"

[Geo]

Hi all friends and happy your new year. I wish best things for you.


Geo, your gesture is good but seems amateur photographer take it hastily caused not transparent pic.:D
I hope great success for you and all other serious T-seekers. I know deeply that PD works; no doubt for me personally.:cool:
But, if in your country like mine THing is illegal, how you venture to put your own photograph? :shocked: :D

another Question: you pointed it as a gift, is it the original Alonso made PD which Morgan has granted you?;)

Hi Michael.
About photograph, yes you have right. Man that took it was amateur, did not wait so the machine focus at me, but never mind, he saw me as a reporter :lol:
Now how i put my photograph here......
It is very simple. It is not illegal to put photos:lol:, i never put any object that i found so i have not any problem. These are problems that sceptics can't understand:frown:
About PD, Morgan never granted me any PD or other thing.This PD is not exactly the same with the Alonso's PD. I made some modification at ferrite stage!!!!

btw.... where are you from????

Regards

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
Carl's test is a double blind test where you must try to find which paper plate a fresh gold sample is hidden under. I can think of no way to conduct this test for a long-time buried metal target. Unless you have a LRL that will find a fresh target hidden under a plate at 10 feet, I don't think you can win that challenge.

If you want to show that your LRL is locating long-time buried metals, then you can go to a place where you have not been before with witnesses watching, and locate a target. Then the watchers will see you dig the target from the place where your LRL says it is buried. This can be demonstrated better if the witnesses pick the location for the test in a place where you are likely to find some targets. Then you can take pictures and videos to show digging the target like the Alonso treasure hunt shows in Esteban's photos.

But if you want skeptics to believe this, then skeptics must be watching and reporting back here so other skeptics will know they do not have a reason to make false claims. Even if a skeptic tells the true story of what he saw, it is possible other skeptics will call him a liar.

For me, I don't care if your LRL works or not. I can report what I see exactly, and tell all the details of how the test location was chosen, and any empty holes along with any treasure holes. There are many places close to here where there is a good chance to find natural gold buried for thousands of years that nobody dug yet. And the laws here do not stop you from digging large gold nuggets when you are on certain public lands or on private land with permission from the owners. I can make videos of the whole treasure hunt for people to believe or not when they see it on a website. And and I don't care if they say it proves something or not.

You can do the same where you are, but be careful to not show anyone's face in the videos or you may have trouble from government officials.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

Things are very simple.
All we are here, so to exchange opinions.
I write here what i see and i tell my experiments.
I do not have disposal to try to take the money of Carl (maybe i have not the ability). Also i do not have disposal to make any test so to show it to scptics.
I am not a constructor. I only try for a better machine (simple detector or LRL) so to locate a big treasure that i am looking for. Nothing else.
And here the sceptics makes a big mistake. They are looking to reason the perfect LRL, the lrl that will have the ability to locate 100% gold.
WHY????
Why only gold, where is the problem if a LRL can detect silver or copper and not gold???? Where is the problem if the LRL has the ability to locate successfully only 20...30%??? No problem!!!!
Sceptics are looking for coins at 5" so they don't like to dig at wrong place. But people that are looking for big treasures they know!!!!!! No problem if they Dig 9times at wrong place and 1 time on the treasure.
Here is the difference of the LRL believers...

Regards:)

[Esteban]

You know, even if I was going with you to observe and and film, i would not trust the results is see without real proof, because i know our brain can be easily fooled by appearances.


Hi Geo,
That´s a good question :rolleyes:

What appearences? If you dig and dig valuable items from place where the pistol beeps, doesn't are appearences... :nono: So, what do you want...

[Esteban]

The doubt consumes you ... I do not :lol:

[Fred]

What appearences? If you dig and dig valuable items from place where the pistol beeps, doesn't are appearences... :nono: So, what do you want...
...Appearance that it was the PD that detected the items.

If the pistol beeps everywhere except at very close range (when it works as a regular detector), then you will always end up by finding a spot where there is something buried,and because the PD was beeping anyway you will say it detected it 200m away.
I am just saying that while it is a possibility, you cannot reject it. And the only way to do it is by performing the right tests.

[Fred]

The doubt consumes you ... I do not :lol:
It should - this is not a religion.:razz:

[J_Player]

Why only gold, where is the problem if a LRL can detect silver or copper and not gold???? Where is the problem if the LRL has the ability to locate successfully only 20...30%??? No problem!!!!Hi Geo,
If I saw an LRL that locates any metal 20-30% of the time, I might buy it. At present, I have no use for 20-30% of the time, because I don't look for large hoards of gold and other treasure hoards. At 20-30% of the time success, I would spend a lot of time digging deep empty holes when searching for small coins and jewelry items.

But If I was looking for ancient treasure hoards away from civilization, 20-30% success would be well worth the money. This would be most useful in locations where you did the research to know there is a good chance of a valuable treasure buried in a particular area.

When I see a long range locator showing me 20-30% success finding buried treasure I will keep it in mind. If I see an LRL showing me 50% success, I will probably buy it immediately to use looking for small items.

Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Hi Michael.
About photograph, yes you have right. Man that took it was amateur, did not wait so the machine focus at me, but never mind, he saw me as a reporter :lol:
Now how i put my photograph here......
It is very simple. It is not illegal to put photos:lol:, i never put any object that i found so i have not any problem. These are problems that sceptics can't understand:frown:
About PD, Morgan never granted me any PD or other thing.This PD is not exactly the same with the Alonso's PD. I made some modification at ferrite stage!!!!
btw.... where are you from????
Regards
Hi Geo.
Right, but as your security service can track and recognize you from your picture, I told this.
if made some modifications on ferrite part, wouldn't be a nice favor to transfer us the info?;)

I'm from Middle East.

[Esteban]

It should - this is not a religion.:razz:

Is not a religion. But not everyone has the chance to experience this... :razz:

[Esteban]

...Appearance that it was the PD that detected the items.

If the pistol beeps everywhere except at very close range (when it works as a regular detector), then you will always end up by finding a spot where there is something buried,and because the PD was beeping anyway you will say it detected it 200m away.
I am just saying that while it is a possibility, you cannot reject it. And the only way to do it is by performing the right tests.

I know very well differentiated. If your PD pistol betrays you, this is your problem. This is not my pistol. Occurs with your pistol and your bad experience. According to your analysis, do not need any type of detector. Only good luck. Do you are worse than me. Do you find some erratic beeps in the videos I sent? Do you see these? I post twice the links. Also common MD detectors produce erratics signals in different soils. But also I think you are able for to differentiate. If pistol is well constructed, possibility of randoms are less, because is not in contact with the soil.

What is the right test? Do you think I don't performing right tests? I'm the first person who doubts about the detection with pistol. When I search and obtain beeps and/or a sequence of beeps in a X place, I walk many meters in all directions and comprobe if there are randoms or not. I come back to the site of beeps and the beeps starts again in the place. So, here works as a regular detector.

[Fred]

I know very well differentiated. If your PD pistol betrays you, this is your problem. This is not my pistol. Occurs with your pistol and your bad experience. According to your analysis, do not need any type of detector. Only good luck. Do you are worse than me. Do you find some erratic beeps in the videos I sent? Do you see these? I post twice the links. Also common MD detectors produce erratics signals in different soils. But also I think you are able for to differentiate. If pistol is well constructed, possibility of randoms are less, because is not in contact with the soil.

What is the right test? Do you think I don't performing right tests? I'm the first person who doubts about the detection with pistol. When I search and obtain beeps and/or a sequence of beeps in a X place, I walk many meters in all directions and comprobe if there are randoms or not. I come back to the site of beeps and the beeps starts again in the place. So, here works as a regular detector.
I am glad you do Esteban.But i could not .
I would like to see a real video far away from houses and power lines, detecting something (anything) in a way we don´t have any doubt about WHAT is being detected .This should not be so difficult to do for whom has a working PD.

[Esteban]

I am glad you do Esteban.But i could not .
I would like to see a real video far away from houses and power lines, detecting something (anything) in a way we don´t have any doubt about WHAT is being detected .This should not be so difficult to do for whom has a working PD.

No problem. For me, better far from houses and power lines... But always you'll find "mistakes" in these videos.

[Qiaozhi]

No problem. For me, better far from houses and power lines... But always you'll find "mistakes" in these videos.
Actually I found your recent videos to be the most convincing so far. :)

[Esteban]

Actually I found your recent videos to be the most convincing so far. :)

Thanks. But I'll film in action in open field. Expect good climate conditions. If you check our regions, you'll comprobe that here common temp. at day is 40-43º C and rainy very much. In part of Brazil, for example, many floods. Weather is crazy... And in other countries much cold and snow...

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks. But I'll film in action in open field. Expect good climate conditions. If you check our regions, you'll comprobe that here common temp. at day is 40-43º C and rainy very much. In part of Brazil, for example, many floods. Weather is crazy... And in other countries much cold and snow...
By the way, the word "comprobe" is not English. Do you mean to say "understand"?

[J_Player]

By the way, the word "comprobe" is not English. Do you mean to say "understand"?Comprobe means "see" or "realise" when used in this context.
Esteban also uses the word comprobe to mean "confirm" or "prove" in other similar contexts.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Comprobe means "see" or "realise" when used in this context.
Esteban also uses the word comprobe to mean "confirm" or "prove" in other similar contexts.

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes... "confirm".

[Fred]

No problem. For me, better far from houses and power lines... But always you'll find "mistakes" in these videos.
It will be interesting to see a good video.
But there are mistakes and mistakes.i have seen some awfull videos.

Actually I found your recent videos to be the most convincing so far. :)
Yes, but the missing part is what was being detected-and if the detection would occur if Esteban was on the other side of the arget, ie if it was an magnetic field related stuff.

[Qiaozhi]

Yes... "confirm".
OK - thanks.

[detectoman]

a se me olvidaba darles su regalo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T-TdCEJHDk&NR=1

[detectoman]

y este para esteban que ha colaborado mucho incondicionalmente

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxgj23NvoKg&NR=1

[Esteban]

y este para esteban que ha colaborado mucho incondicionalmente

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxgj23NvoKg&NR=1

He, he!!! :lol:

[Esteban]

It will be interesting to see a good video.
But there are mistakes and mistakes.i have seen some awfull videos.


Yes, but the missing part is what was being detected-and if the detection would occur if Esteban was on the other side of the arget, ie if it was an magnetic field related stuff.

But, of course, there are a point better than others. I explain 1,000 times... If you see the videos, in one of these I said "position". Because there are better points and other dead point. This effect is more remarcable if the target is buried few years, like the detection of the videos, targets (10 bronze coins with verdigris) buried 16 years ago in pile position as Volta battery.

[Fred]

But, of course, there are a point better than others. I explain 1,000 times... If you see the videos, in one of these I said "position". Because there are better points and other dead point. This effect is more remarcable if the target is buried few years, like the detection of the videos, targets (10 bronze coins with verdigris) buried 16 years ago in pile position as Volta battery.

That is interesting!
But readers are not stupid, if you show how PD works or not depending of direction, and in diferent situations, it will be much more helpfull than just trying to convince how well it works in one precise case.
About the videos, i had dificulties because of the format, when i converted them they were running at high speed or normal speed but without sound.

[hung]

That is interesting!
But readers are not stupid, if you show how PD works or not depending of direction, and in diferent situations, it will be much more helpfull than just trying to convince how well it works in one precise case.
About the videos, i had dificulties because of the format, when i converted them they were running at high speed or normal speed but without sound.

That's because you don't have the right codec installed.
Here's a site you can download a lot of codecpacks for free.
Serve yourself.
http://www.baixaki.com.br/busca.asp?q=codecs

I have mega klite installed.
You should now be able to watch the video as your windows media player will play it.
Now you will see 'the light'.:lol:

[Fred]

Thanks!

[Geo]

That is interesting!
But readers are not stupid, if you show how PD works or not depending of direction, and in diferent situations, it will be much more helpfull than just trying to convince how well it works in one precise case.
About the videos, i had dificulties because of the format, when i converted them they were running at high speed or normal speed but without sound.


Hi Fred. The video has good sound :)

[bureaupro2000@yahoo.com]

Hello friends!
I can help with information about Alonso coils, which he used to gun detector? I know it is a TX-RX-type coil BFO, but has many turns and the wires used?

[Esteban]

Hello friends!
I can help with information about Alonso coils, which he used to gun detector? I know it is a TX-RX-type coil BFO, but has many turns and the wires used?

There are many pistol detectors concept built by him, not only coils, also ultrasonic, infrared, high voltage, RF, optic...

[bureaupro2000@yahoo.com]

Hello, Esteban!
You know very well it is a RF pistoldetector ... is so hard for you to help me with a technical information without too much importance?!? I wouldn't think ... please answer me, if you want, into a PM!
Best regards,
Exarch

[segovia]

Esteban
This forum is for sharing, not to blow your own trumpet
:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

[Esteban]

Esteban
This forum is for sharing, not to blow your own trumpet
:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

Well... :shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[detectoman]

in forum exist all needed information ( from alonso & esteban ) ( and morgan ) for first experimentation on lrl, after may be in 10 or 15 years experimental practice, each one can be had of own wrong conditions lrl prototipe

an functional loch nees lrl hand to hand? oh no! never, this is almost impossible, this is militar secret of land of south america, alonso genius, only bsbss, in this earth all,s obtain whit effort, study, dman, study morgan study hung study geo, study all, no study dell

[Morgan]

in forum exist all needed information ( from alonso & esteban ) ( and morgan ) for first experimentation on lrl, after may be in 10 or 15 years experimental practice, each one can be had of own wrong conditions lrl prototipe

an functional loch nees lrl hand to hand? oh no! never, this is almost impossible, this is militar secret of land of south america, alonso genius, only bsbss, in this earth all,s obtain whit effort, study, dman, study morgan study hung study geo, study all, no study dell



Yes,we study, a lot...:nerd:

And we make a few box of snake,caja de colebras ;)

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[Morgan]

in forum exist all needed information ( from alonso & esteban ) ( and morgan ) for first experimentation on lrl, after may be in 10 or 15 years experimental practice, each one can be had of own wrong conditions lrl prototipe

an functional loch nees lrl hand to hand? oh no! never, this is almost impossible, this is militar secret of land of south america, alonso genius, only bsbss, in this earth all,s obtain whit effort, study, dman, study morgan study hung study geo, study all, no study dell



When i told about the modificated Alonso PD,the PDK,nobody pay atention,but this double O coils work very good as LRL,and one small coil used in Passive Receiver is better than the ferrite...
My invention,no patent,no need...

[detectoman]

mira morgan, querido amiguito, ahorita estoy enfocado en otros asuntos, tengo en cuenta tu consejo, pero ahora estoy haciendote un modelo de case tipe lrl incognito, stile shoe's box como tu lo necesitas, para que no te vean que andas detectando ilegal en el legista portugal, y no te metan a la carcel por andar sacando todos los tesoros del mediterraneo, este sera un tipo de detector pero aparenta ser un radio, edicion especial para ti, le metes un pequeno radiecito y lo enciendes con un knoby y listo, policia rural burlada jaja, whattttttt? doing these crazy in bosque? ya pronto te lo termino, costo del material solo; unos 3 dollars
this is sorprais thanks for you support
embrace my brother

[detectoman]

morgan: these model what you show us, it sems how an suspicous but powerfull dm, geotech's implementation, because sems how an mineoro of extremely poor man, or time of big crisis, is than bigger and suspicious, semms how bomb, major you await to little, @ i put you graduated pictures, for give the idea of an true design lrl totally incognite of dman, produce by house of the mexican designer
an embrace all, then you ideas morgan are good, thanks

[Morgan]

morgan: these model what you show us, it sems how an suspicous but powerfull dm, geotech's implementation, because sems how an mineoro of extremely poor man, or time of big crisis, is than bigger and suspicious, semms how bomb, major you await to little, @ i put you graduated pictures, for give the idea of an true design lrl totally incognite of dman, produce by house of the mexican designer
an embrace all, then you ideas morgan are good, thanks


The picture is only to give the ideia of double O vertical with passive receiver coil in horizontal,it find much better the objects,more sensitive to elect.fields than the ferrite. Of course the wood box i have made is ugly,just experimental...

[Geo]

Yes... but it don't work like the prototype Alonso's PD

[Morgan]

Yes... but it don't work like the prototype Alonso's PD


Detection of medalion is good,but as problems of instability,drift...
I use the Esteban´s double O coil and to passive receiver i connect other coil more small with 50+50 turns.
Its only experimental prototype and ideias.

[Morgan]

Yes... but it don't work like the prototype Alonso's PD


I remember to have excelent results in detection of spark(1,5 V) and TV screen,when use 15 cm diam. and 50+50 turns coil. Put this in PDK,and start work only with the Passive Receiver,exelent result,but no signals in my field test. But if double O and Passive R, work together,it catch the phenomenon.
Anyway according Alonso,the ferrite can catch treasure,also the coil 50+50,thats wath Esteban said...

[aft_72005]

Hi Morgan
As my experiments,
Please more explain, how passive receiver can work with TR section while there isn't
Null point behind it? Also passive receiver will go to saturation mode when TR section
Beginning to work .

[aft_72005]

double O vertical with passive receiver coil in horizontal

As shown in picture , when side of the box , closed , double O will be parallel with TR coils , not orthogonal .

[aft_72005]

I remember to have excelent results in detection of spark(1,5 V)

For comparing, please say what distance detect 1.5 volt batt. short circuit ?
What long of wire ( short circuit) ?
Best regards.

[Geo]

I remember to have excelent results in detection of spark(1,5 V) and TV screen,when use 15 cm diam. and 50+50 turns coil. Put this in PDK,and start work only with the Passive Receiver,exelent result,but no signals in my field test. But if double O and Passive R, work together,it catch the phenomenon.
Anyway according Alonso,the ferrite can catch treasure,also the coil 50+50,thats wath Esteban said...

The things are more simple. With 15cm coil for the receiver you will have better results at the spark detection but it will be more more sensitive to the Sky-Ground phenomenon. This is the reason that the prototype has small coil. And with O-O coils and a small coil for the passive receiver you cannot adjust the null between them!!!

[Geo]

For comparing, please say what distance detect 1.5 volt batt. short circuit ?
What long of wire ( short circuit) ?
Best regards.

Hi Aft.
Take a 25cm wire 1.... 2.5mm diameter and short a 1.5v battery. When you let free the wire you must hear the beep from 60cm + +. I hear the spark at 80cm far on my PD and from 1.80m+ on my electrostatic detector.
Regards:)

[aft_72005]

Hi Geo
My modified handmade , ( not exactly Alonso PD) , can detect magnetic field produced
From 1.5 volt batt. Short circuit from 50-100 cm. and some times 1.5 -2m wire long is 15 cm.
Also only passive Receiver can detect from 30 cm.
At test , not detected iron water pipe buried at soil over 30 years
Ago . deep was 40 cm
Best regards .

[Geo]

Hi Geo
My modified handmade , ( not exactly Alonso PD) , can detect magnetic field produced
From 1.5 volt batt. Short circuit from 50-100 cm. and some times 1.5 -2m wire long is 15 cm.
Also only passive Receiver can detect from 30 cm.
At test , not detected iron water pipe buried at soil over 30 years
Ago . deep was 40 cm
Best regards .

Hi aft.
Passive receiver must detect the spark at least from 50.. 60cm.
Normal, the PD when work with Omega and PCB5 on, can't detect the spark!!!!

Regards

[Morgan]

Hi Morgan
As my experiments,
Please more explain, how passive receiver can work with TR section while there isn't
Null point behind it? Also passive receiver will go to saturation mode when TR section
Beginning to work .


This is the big problem with the people who have made the PISTOLDETEKTOR,they not found the null point and the balance who avoid saturation of Passive R.

Anyway if you use Passive Receiver alone,but with good sensitivity(50+50 turns 0,20mm with 12 or 15 cm diameter coil) its possible to find precious metal,medium or big size,thats what i know from Alonso the LRL inventor.
So,everybody can try,and the Passive R. working alone is fully automatic,any beep means gold/silver. no erratics,unless other kind of electromagnetic field who can make the PD give the false signals.

[Morgan]

For comparing, please say what distance detect 1.5 volt batt. short circuit ?
What long of wire ( short circuit) ?
Best regards.


With the 50+50 coil,using Passive R. ,1,5 V batt. and 20cm copper wire,it detect 80cm distant.
With original ferrite as i remember was 40 cm.

[Morgan]

Hi aft.
Passive receiver must detect the spark at least from 50.. 60cm.
Normal, the PD when work with Omega and PCB5 on, can't detect the spark!!!!

Regards


Yes,but detect the TV radiation 6meters or more,and others source of electric fields.

[aft_72005]

Passive receiver must detect the spark at least from 50.. 60cm.

Hi Geo
Yes, my passive receiver act as you said :D


Normal, the PD when work with Omega and PCB5 on, can't detect the spark!!!!


Yes, also I test other configuration;)

[aft_72005]

This is the big problem with the people who have made the PISTOLDETEKTOR,they not found the null point and the balance who avoid saturation of Passive R


Hi Morgan
How you solved this problem ?

[aft_72005]

Anyway if you use Passive Receiver alone,but with good sensitivity(50+50 turns 0,20mm with 12 or 15 cm diameter coil) its possible to find precious metal,medium or big size,thats what i know from Alonso the LRL inventor

Yes, I did this test before , but with my modified at passive receiver circuit
Detect spark more than 1 meter .;) didn't test at historical places yet .
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

Passive receiver must detect the spark at least from 50.. 60cm.
Normal, the PD when work with Omega and PCB5 on, can't detect the spark!!!!

Yes,but detect the TV radiation 6meters or more,and others source of electric fields.

Hi
What of these is correct? Television radiation or spark detection ?
Which of these similar to target "phenomenon"?????:???:
Best regards.

[Morgan]

As shown in picture , when side of the box , closed , double O will be parallel with TR coils , not orthogonal .


The final experiment with this coil for good results ,it should be orthogonal as you said.
Also you can use one ortogonal coil behind the Omega in your PD,works better than ferrite,but the diameter should be proportional to the RX in the Omega.

[Morgan]

Hi
What of these is correct? Television radiation or spark detection ?
Which of these similar to target "phenomenon"?????:???:
Best regards.


All LRL who work are Electromagnetic field detectors,most of then catch 1,5 V sparks,TV radiation(all of them catch this) ,economy lamps,halogen bulbs etc etc,so we no need to be EE to understand what is the PHENOMENON,just ENERGY irradiated from the gold&silver becouse of the gorund acids acting during many years in contact with the metal produce one AURA around the target,also IONS are involved in this process.
Damasio was realy great genius,i only not agree with him becouse of the huge price of Mineoro devices,he also should think about the poor TH´s...

R.I.P.
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