Another Study to confirm LRL Detection of Buried Metals

[Astrodetect]

In 1971 I was offered and accepted the research papers of J.Cecil Maby. Here is an outline of some research which seems to have a direct bearing on Rota's work. The bulk of the work was done mostly between the first and the early part of the second world war. Neither Maby of Franklin knew anything of Louis Rota, which is not surprising bearing in mind the secrecy with which Rota surrounded his research between the wars. Maby and Franklin, like Rota, found all metals, in fact, all elements emit beams which radiate in the horizontal plane, in specific directions and even electromagnetic frequencies also emit in specific horizontal directions! This throws light on some of Rota’s claims.
Franklin and Maby found that these directional beams rotate every 24 hour through 360 degrees. Maby found that if a magnet is placed under/over the element under test then the angle remains fixed. The N or S poles rotate the direction of the whole set by 180 degrees. The earth’s vertical magnetic field is not quite strong enough to fix the direction, so a mixture of fixed and static beams is produced if a magnet is not present. Here is Maby’s graph of what he calls the "fundamental ray" angle versus atomic weight/number:-
Directional emissions of Elements versus beam anglehttp://wikirota.org/wiki1/en/images/thumb/a/a9/W00001_Maby_FR_table.jpg/600px-W00001_Maby_FR_table.jpg (http://wikirota.org/en/Image:W00001_Maby_FR_table.jpg)
(Note the “Bomb Disposal Enquiry� At this stage they were employed by the British Government to explore the possibility of using their methods to find unexploded bombs. See Passive “Radar�… below)
Electromagnetic Frequencies also have directionshttp://wikirota.org/wiki1/en/images/thumb/9/9d/W00004_FrVersusFreq.jpg/600px-W00004_FrVersusFreq.jpg (http://wikirota.org/en/Image:W00004_FrVersusFreq.jpg)
Maby and Franklin used an ionisation counter to verify what had been found with a dowsing rod, in order to eliminated “wishful thinking� when subjective methods were used, although they frequently used the ionization counter alone. The ionization counter being statistical was slow while the dowsing rod was quick in the hands of a skilled operator. As is seen in Rota’s medical applications, the human body contains the Universal Currents in an active state so it would not be surprising to find the human body sensitive to the same class of universal currents in the environment.
Background
In the late 1920's early 1930's T. Bedford Franklin found that the presence of deeply buried ore bodies produced a disturbance in the field strength of an early experimental medium wave broadcast station recently established in the UK at Daventry. He found that dispite the scientific view that such signals could not penetrate several hundred feet underground to the ore body, the field induced in the ore body was detectable on the earth's surface and interfered with the directly received signal from the radio station causing a variation in phase and amplitude which was detectable with a suitable radio receiver and frame antenna. He set up a successful business finding ore lodes for mining companies being able to detect the depth and size of the lode with reasonable accuracy. The surface field patterns were very similar to diffraction patterns familiar in optics, so it was assumed that the same process was at work with radio wave patterns detected on the earth's surface. Around the early 1930's, J. Cecil Maby found he could successfully dowse using a forked rod and when he later heard about Franklin's work and met Franklin, he tried dowsing a site which Franklin had previously tested with his frame antenna and radio apparatus. Maby was amazed to find that he could detect with the dowsing rod similar field patterns to those which Franklin had found instrumentally. Franklin was able to stimulate an ore body in dry rock at considerable depth using a 30 metre radio transmitter dispite the popular view that such frequencies could not penetrate that deep. Maby found that an iron rod stuck in the ground would radiate beams almost N,E,S,W without any external excitation and they tried various radio receivers to detect these beams instrumentally finally using a super-regenerative receiver. Franklin had a theory that very deep ore bodies were being shock excited by penetrating cosmic rays because the depth was frequently too great for radio waves to penetrate from the surface. This idea was generalised into the theory that a dowser was picking up radio signals originating from cosmic ray shock excitation of a buried object or ore body etc. Instrumental detection was very difficult although the signal was clear enough to a dowser.
Penetrating Radiation
Maby found that magnets emit a penetrating dowsing radiation that could penetrate lead screens. This resulted in tests with ionisation counters. A geiger counter showed nothing, but a neon ionisation counter did detect the radiation. They noticed that heavy objects in motion were surrounded by concentric zones or shells detectable by a neon ionisation counter of the Wynn-Williams type. They also found that aircraft could be detected a considerable distance away with a modified version of the counter.
A Passive "Radar" or Aircraft Detector
In about 1939 before the outbreak or the war they contacted the British Government about their aircraft detector which the called the "Fraby detector". Professor Andrade, in charge of finding new inventions to help the war effort, sent two scientists to investigate and after several months of tests they produced a favourable report. Development continued until suddenly the Government lost interest. After the war, this seemed to coincide with development of centimetric radar.
Fields Around Objects
Franklin independently checked Maby's findings presumably using his own dowser but he also used his own ionisation counter. They found that element such as iron copper tin etc all have a characteristic wavelength in centimetres which Franklin working on an analogue with x ray diffraction found was 2k√(atomic weight x atomic number) The value of k was about 1. This field was detectable with the ionisation counter as well as by dowsing means.
The extraordinary effect on radioactive bodies
When Maby was trying a geiger counter he found that it did not respond to the dowsing field unless a radio active source was put in front of it. He used a pad containing a small amount of Radium Bromide. He was amazed to find that moving the geiger counter plus radioactive pad through the dowsing field caused a increased discharge when entering the dowsing field and a reduction in discharge when leaving it, so the response of the geiger counter plus pad depended on the rate of change of the dowsing field. Because the geiger counter was unresponsive on its own he checked the radiation output from the radioactive pad alone using a spinthariscope which is simply a fluorescent screen and magnifying glass to observe the scintillations caused by radioactive particles discharged from the radium bromide. He found that the dowsing field did indeed increase the scintillations when entering the field and decreased them when leaving it. (Because this is a rate of change effect the half life remains unchanged). If we relate Franklin Maby's dowsing field to the universal current, this supports Rota's statement regarding the fundemental nature of the universal current and its connection to the cohesive forces that hold matter together.

Maby and Franklin published most of this work up to 1939 and a compilation in 1966
1)J.C Maby,T. Bedford Franklin; The Physics of the Divinig Rod, published by Bell 1939
2)J.C Maby; Physical Prinscipals of Radiesthesia 1966
3) T. Bedford Franklin; Radiations, British Society of Dowsers 1949
4) J.C. Maby: Research Papers

[WM6]

Only boys which try to sell nonsense to British governments. Happilly with no succes.

[Esteban]

And, of course, a simple radio can locate buried metal, even only as receiver, but in radar mode can be detected at more distance and depth. Here "radar mode" doesn't mean radar frequency, mean transmission and reception of RF. Also you can use only transmitter in wich you inserted modulation, this modulation creates in a receiver (wich acts no as detector, just for register changes in TX) a kind of phase shift. The buried metal changes the state of phase shift and voilÃ*! The same with IR beam and radio as monitor for register change in phase shift. "Radar mode" is very old:

[WM6]

No problem to find large chest of gold by this refelctive method - if you know where a large chest of gold is burried.

Otherwise, the method is practically useless.

[Bill512]

Astrodetect, thanks for the info.

[Max]

No problem to find large chest of gold by this refelctive method - if you know where a large chest of gold is burried.

Otherwise, the method is practically useless.

Uhm... well... no... :rolleyes:

The method is not useless... just he don't know anything of it... :lol:

So it's like to ask a donkey to explain you trigonometry, it's unlike he can show you any useful example.

Someone his relative maybe know... I'm guessing.

But the method is not "useless" cause I know of some devices that use it and actually works. ;)

You can see here an example of one claimed working (I did not test it):

http://www.detector-trade.de/English/EMFADF.htm

These devices can work as "just receivers" or use a local "transmitter". Usually they works in the 20-200Khz range.

I saw another stuff , similar but not this one, handmade and it works... but , sure, not with a coin stuff...

If we talk of long metallic things buried at reasonable depth or big masses you can detect... otherwise not.
These are useful also for locating voids and other stuff... e.g. old buried roads... made of e.g. stones etc but NOT small things... like rings, coins and stuff like that, as he said of his PD ! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

Max, agree, but Iam not speaking about devices as EMFAD based on far away LW transmiters which signal evenly cover the terrain. Here is transmiter by rule far away and receiver close to the target. At the same time we need antena with very directive characteristic.

I am speaking about configuration from picture in which strong near transmitter signal suppres weak and by soil dumped reflective signal on diferent way.

In this case transmitter are to close and at the same time receiver too far from small target. So it is practically unusable. Transmitter have to be reasonably far away and receiver close to the target. Can only be usable if one know where the target is burried.

[Dell Winders]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: Dell

[Qiaozhi]

W.I.S. :lol: :lol: Dell
Please practice what you preach. ;)

:cry: "WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK." :cry:

[g-sani]

Very interesting post Astrodetect.
Myself used to have a transmitter and a receiver to go on target.
Don't ask me about operating frequencies because all I know was that it was RF doing the job.
After transmitting the signal for about 15mins we were able to go on target using a portable receiver.
This was the only LRL that we used whith success.We found many things burried in a short period of time while using the receiver.
This method works for sure no matter of what anybody says and it is not difficult to use.Maybe is difficult for an electronics man to build and I beleive it is.

[Mike(Mont)]

Louis Turenne was one of the first to plot out the fundamental ray angles in 1935. He put it on a circular format, used a weak solution of radium bromide in the center and would place a sample on there. Then he used a pendulum to find the rays much like an interferometer works. I've never been able to find any of his work other than what I read by Christopher Hills book "Supersensonics". "Two American physicists, Davisson and Germer, found that electrons striking a crystal were reflected from it only in certain directions...It was found that the number of electrons increases considerably at certain angles..."

I found another page for you.
http://wikirota.org/en/Main_Page

[J_Player]

...I found another page for you.
http://wikirota.org/en/Main_PageHmmm....
Louis Rota... another experimenter who did his work in secret. It seems nobody knows exactly what his experiments did or how to reproduce them to give the same results as Rota is alleged to have obtained. When I make a Google search, I only find the Wikirota page that has any information on him at all, and most of the information says "we can't figure out what he did exactly, but we still think he was a great scientist". It seems all they really know about Rota is he performed some seemingly magic experiments decades ago, and he developed his own theories about buried metals and physics. So why can't we find pages of details all over the internet to explain how great this scientist was?

Yup, it looks like another secret experimenter's name has fallen into oblivion. :shocked:

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

There's some good links on that page.

[Theseus]

Louis Turenne was one of the first to plot out the fundamental ray angles in 1935. He put it on a circular format, used a weak solution of radium bromide in the center and would place a sample on there.

Then he used a pendulum to find the rays.........

Sorry, Mike, but using one mind-controlled gadget (pendulum) to validate fundamental rays, which are another figment of the imagination, is hardly a reference with a shred of believability. Probably why it can only be found in old out-dated esoteric publications and has been put to rest decades ago. 8)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[WM6]

Very interesting post Astrodetect.
Myself used to have a transmitter and a receiver to go on target.
Don't ask me about operating frequencies because all I know was that it was RF doing the job.
After transmitting the signal for about 15mins we were able to go on target using a portable receiver.
This was the only LRL that we used whith success.We found many things burried in a short period of time while using the receiver.
This method works for sure no matter of what anybody says and it is not difficult to use.Maybe is difficult for an electronics man to build and I beleive it is.

Thanks for your story, this is very nice out of body experience. Your are still on astral projection for beginners.

Explanation of pictured nonworking idea is very simple: frequencies then used do not allow to build absolutely directive antenna as pictured. To build such antenna is possible only on frequencies in GHz spectrum. On LF to VLF frequencies produced from Tx in vicinity there are mess of different directive, reflective, harmonics and interferences of frequencies which make such devices practically unusable (even basically idea is correct). So your "receiver to go Non target." It is hard to build receiver in LF and VLF spectrum that is not at the same time interference detector. But this not mean that it is usable to detect gold part in soil.

The path from theory to useful practice is very long, even longer is the road from dream to useful practice.

[Mike(Mont)]

You really owe it to yourself before you die to read Hills. It's just fascinating. I know you think you know everything, and you can't teach an old dog mew tricks, but miracles do happen now and then. People blinded by skepticism sometimes do see the light--literally. But you have to lose the control freak thiing.

[Mike(Mont)]

Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. Do you think this is a lie? This is God's truth, but you have give the effort. I have given the link for the yoga breathing. You can't do it without some sort of meditation. The yoga breathing is so simple to do, it just takes a few weeks to learn to still your mind. Once your mind is still it is not controlling things, it's not blocking things, it is not filtering out the energy flow.

[Theseus]

You really owe it to yourself before you die to read Hills. It's just fascinating. I know you think you know everything, and you can't teach an old dog mew tricks, but miracles do happen now and then. People blinded by skepticism sometimes do see the light--literally. But you have to lose the control freak thiing.

The best thing I found about the C. Hills Supersensonics book is that I bought it at one garage sale for a buck and sold it at mine for $2.

Yoga, mind control, breathing exercises, or crossing your eyes does not change the FACT that using one mind-controlled gadget (pendulum) to validate fundamental rays, which are another figment of the imagination, is pure BS and wish science. It has nothing to do with skepticism and everything to do with logical, rational thought processes. If you are looking for things that go bump in the night, I'm sure you will eventually find one. :D

[Seden]

Here is the Motherlode of information/schematics/photographs of Louis Rota. Too bad this site didn't have more on Maby which is where Astrodetect got his info.

Rota spent many years studying telluric currents,pretty impressive. Anthony Barringer's newest patent uses Telluric Currents for ore detection and he found that the electrostatic detection held the most useful information over the Magnetic fields. Check it out: patent #7,221,164

An LRL could be made using this technology. Airborne surveys are by definition long range detection by several thousand feet. Geophysics rock!

Randy

[hung]

and he found that the electrostatic detection held the most useful information over the Magnetic fields.



Don't tell me...:rolleyes:

Fifty years ago this year, two gentlemen by the names of Jonas Paulo F Damasio and Victor C Alonso have found about this which allowed them to develop devices to detect those fields and filter them to pick gold at long distance.
They deserve all recognition. Esteban and I know this very well.

Today this aproach has been taken to more advanced concepts by those who understand very well the phenomena.

Good luck Seden.

[J_Player]

Here is the Motherlode of information/schematics/photographs of Louis Rota. Too bad this site didn't have more on Maby which is where Astrodetect got his info.

Rota spent many years studying telluric currents,pretty impressive. Anthony Barringer's newest patent uses Telluric Currents for ore detection and he found that the electrostatic detection held the most useful information over the Magnetic fields. Check it out: patent #7,221,164

An LRL could be made using this technology. Airborne surveys are by definition long range detection by several thousand feet. Geophysics rock!

Randy


Hi Randy,
Yes, you are right. There is a lot of information published about Rota. But very little is in the form that is useful for practical applications. All the really useful details of his works were kept secret. For example, his patent to make a plane that defies gravity and high winds gives a lot of information, but not the kind of information that has allowed manufacturers to construct a working model.

I suppose this is part of the reason why Rota is a pretty much forgotten experimenter instead of a household name like Edison.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Max, agree, but Iam not speaking about devices as EMFAD based on far away LW transmiters which signal evenly cover the terrain. Here is transmiter by rule far away and receiver close to the target. At the same time we need antena with very directive characteristic.

I am speaking about configuration from picture in which strong near transmitter signal suppres weak and by soil dumped reflective signal on diferent way.

In this case transmitter are to close and at the same time receiver too far from small target. So it is practically unusable. Transmitter have to be reasonably far away and receiver close to the target. Can only be usable if one know where the target is burried.

Hi,
yes sure, a too close transmitter is a problem...but don't take Esteban's pictures for what they aren't. What's in pictures is from Fisher things/experiments and some old magazines he likes much.

The concept behind the scene is the same of "direction finding", of a very far transmitter, the picture have just informative purposes... it's kind of diagram but it's not real, e.g. transmitter and receiver are not at the distance we see... it's just the "concept" that means something, the drawing itself has no value if seen as something related to actual construction of device.

The trick with south american guys like Esteban is ignoring what he wanna you notice and read in the middle of the textlines... :lol:

The EMFAD is exactly the same stuff of you can spot in their stupid PD thing... but the PD stuff have internal transmitter that's the silly thing of whole story... and sure, the transmitter swamps any reflected signal from target , cause is made to trick people more than detecting buried stuff.

BTW the transmitter is present also in EMFAD thing... just EMFAD things usually get rid of any local transmitter unless special cases (e.g. usual transmitters are down or signal is too low quality cause of e.g. interferences). The german EMFAD I posted link has, as example, a 33KHz running separate TX if needed... but it's made to run on long range broadcast signals... like the DCF timing signal at Frankfurt (Main) running on 77.5 Khz.

Kind regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

Yes, I always suspected you would not be able to grasp the concepts. Hills talks about that in the book, saying it goes right over some people's head, usually the ones who THINK they are so intelligent. Reminds me of a defiant teenager who thinks they know it all. Well, at least you tried? (don't know if I believe any of what you said). "Seek and ye shall find" does not mean to just sit on your rear and wait for it to come to you. I realize some people really think they are priveledged and deserve to cut in line ahead of others. Dowsing is seeking the truth and that ain't the truth. I suspect you know that and just thumb your nose.

[Max]

Yes, I always suspected you would not be able to grasp the concepts. Hills talks about that in the book, saying it goes right over some people's head, usually the ones who THINK they are so intelligent. Reminds me of a defiant teenager who thinks they know it all. Well, at least you tried? (don't know if I believe any of what you said). "Seek and ye shall find" does not mean to just sit on your rear and wait for it to come to you. I realize some people really think they are priveledged and deserve to cut in line ahead of others. Dowsing is seeking the truth and that ain't the truth. I suspect you know that and just thumb your nose.

?

What I wrote is science, not imagination...or paranormal activities...

I don't need dowsing... I have metal detectors and lot of things. Also I do TH as hobby not as business, then the stuff is pretty academic for me, can't be otherwise.

Concepts are good for people who understand them. Here many people talk and write but do not understand, not my fault.

You see in other threads people like Esteban still talk of PIs about old MDs and now are years... I told him years AGO that aren't PI, but he's so far from "truth" that don't understand what I say, what I told him, he prefer the "dream"...

Keep dreaming. I'm not interested you guys dream as you want ! (wet dreams with Carmen Electra allowed!) :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[g-sani]

What can you say Mike(Mont)?
There are people that they will pass their time in this life whith no improvement at all.
But don't worry my friend there still hope for them.
A friend of mine says that there is a medicine for this condition.
You can always give them a light to medium stroke using a frying pan at the upper back of their head( :stars: ktong.. is the right sound to be heard) and bingo their brain will start working.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[apogonos]

mmmmm Max, ενδιαφέρον που επέδειξαν οι Carmen Electra
:):):)

[Mike(Mont)]

Like the song from Robert Palmer "A pretty face don't make a pretty heart, I learned that buddy, from the start." And besides, it has nothing to do with a skeptic's inability to still the mind. I've read several books on meditation, and even the saints said it is not easy. So a perfectionist can't use that as an excuse. When your mind starts to wander, you just get it back in line and continue. People who scoff at the idea of meditation do not realize the benifits. Some people say it is the most pleasant sensation possible. Many people confuse it with hypnosis. It's not the same. Many hypnosis sessions the person has extreme reactions. Meditation is not that way at all. It is extreme calm.An excellent way to reduce stress.

[Max]

Like the song from Robert Palmer "A pretty face don't make a pretty heart, I learned that buddy, from the start." And besides, it has nothing to do with a skeptic's inability to still the mind. I've read several books on meditation, and even the saints said it is not easy. So a perfectionist can't use that as an excuse. When your mind starts to wander, you just get it back in line and continue. People who scoff at the idea of meditation do not realize the benifits. Some people say it is the most pleasant sensation possible. Many people confuse it with hypnosis. It's not the same. Many hypnosis sessions the person has extreme reactions. Meditation is not that way at all. It is extreme calm.An excellent way to reduce stress.

So... how many treasures did you find using meditation ? :lol:

I'm sure, even with Carmen Electra nude in front of you, you'll mantain your meditation... and stay extremely calm. :rolleyes:

Sublime!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

So... how many treasures did you find using meditation ? :lol:

I'm sure, even with Carmen Electra nude in front of you, you'll mantain your meditation... and stay extremely calm. :rolleyes:

Sublime!

Kind regards,
MaxUmmmm....
That expression on her face seems like she has something on her mind.
Does Carmen Electra meditate?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Does Carmen Electra meditate?
Best wishes,
J_P
not too much i hope...

[Qiaozhi]

Ummmm....
That expression on her face seems like she has something on her mind.
Does Carmen Electra meditate?

Best wishes,
J_P

not too much i hope...
The only treasure she's thinking about is her pay packet! :cool:

[J_Player]

The only treasure she's thinking about is her pay packet! :cool:Ummm...
So should we expect any ideas we may have for Carmen Electra to result in an empty wallet? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

There is only one way to find treasure, especially when using an LRL.
Have Carmen Electra whith you.
Treasures go whith treasures no matter what.:razz:

[Max]

Ummm...
So should we expect any ideas we may have for Carmen Electra to result in an empty wallet? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P

Pleople say that meditation costs nothing...:D

Sure but depends what kind of meditation...

Suppose you wanna meditate with her....;)

As with LRL one must have a big wallet full of money... otherwise cannot "meditate" with her. :rolleyes:

Or some of our remote sensing guys can convince Carmen to meditate with him just using the power of his mind ??? :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

now tell me... and vote from 0 to 10 , how much she's beautiful (not tall) !? :D

But do not meditate too much! :lol:

[WM6]

Max hope that your finding is user friendly?

[Fred]

Ummm...
So should we expect any ideas we may have for Carmen Electra to result in an empty wallet? :oh:

Best wishes,
J_P
And if so, due to the similarities with LRLs , could we say she IS a LRL (Long Rod Locator)?

[Max]

Max hope that your finding is user friendly?

Sure she is... if not you can always use the frying pan strategy.... ktong ! :lol:

PS: I think there must be somewhere some RESET hole if device start malfunctioning... ;)

Seems that way you can restore at factory conditions! :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max

[Mike(Mont)]

Since max has made a point of trashing this forum (more than it already is) I guess I should add to it. I know where he came up with the photos--he was looking up L-rod and ended up with A-rod.

Max, how many times have I told you, use an L-rod for dowsing.

[J_Player]

....Max, how many times have I told you, use an L-rod for dowsing.Hmmmm....
Is that why Max is not finding gold?

It seems to me the reason men hunt for treasure is so they will become rich and can spend thier money on beautiful women.
If you use the correct locating tool, maybe you can skip the "find the treasure" bit and go directly to the beautiful women.
Maybe the direct approach is better than spending years meditating or studying electronics or pseudoscience.
I guess you need a special tool to accomplish the direct approach.

Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

Sure she is... if not you can always use the frying pan strategy.... ktong ! :lol:

PS: I think there must be somewhere some RESET hole if device start malfunctioning... ;)

Seems that way you can restore at factory conditions! :rolleyes:

Kind regards,
Max


I just thought that a beatifull girl like Carmen Electra can RESET a man to its factory's settings.
Don't you think;:lol::lol::lol:

[WM6]

I just thought that a beatifull girl like Carmen Electra can RESET a man to its factory's settings.
Don't you think;:lol::lol::lol:

Yes, but still remains a problem with L rod pinpoint.

[g-sani]

Yes, but still remains a problem with L rod pinpoint.

Still a problem whith such a telescopic L rod? :lol:

[Max]

Since max has made a point of trashing this forum (more than it already is) I guess I should add to it. I know where he came up with the photos--he was looking up L-rod and ended up with A-rod.

Max, how many times have I told you, use an L-rod for dowsing.

You don't understand... with a girl like that you don't need to think at L-rods... anymore! :lol:

She will cancel anything from your mind... apart some few things... :D

Could be a cure for people obsessed by LRL and treasure hunting using L-rods! :rolleyes:

Cause I think too much dowsing is not so safe for people... expecially if always find nothing... ;)

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

I am trying to practice breathing exercisest so I can meditate, but it just doesn't work. :nono:

Best wishs,
J_P

[Seden]

First off taking a break from the pretty girl as there is no since lathering up if you don't have no place to shave!

I want to buy a copy of J.C Maby's- Physical Prinscipals of Radiesthesia; 1966 if anyone knows where I could get one. I read through many of the Rota papers and the guy who recieved them and his synopsis was that it appears that Rota was detecting the magnetic vector or scalar wave.

I can't see discrediting all 3 of these guy's who spent decades working with Telluric Currents without really looking over ALL their data. I especially liked the simple schematic of a neon detector that the new owner of Rota's papers feels it recovers the same signal albeit up to date circuitry.


Randy

[Max]

First off taking a break from the pretty girl as there is no since lathering up if you don't have no place to shave!

I want to buy a copy of J.C Maby's- Physical Prinscipals of Radiesthesia; 1966 if anyone knows where I could get one. I read through many of the Rota papers and the guy who recieved them and his synopsis was that it appears that Rota was detecting the magnetic vector or scalar wave.

I can't see discrediting all 3 of these guy's who spent decades working with Telluric Currents without really looking over ALL their data. I especially liked the simple schematic of a neon detector that the new owner of Rota's papers feels it recovers the same signal albeit up to date circuitry.


Randy


Hi,
I read from wikipedia:

"Radiesthesia is the paranormal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal) or parapsychological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology) ability to detect "radiation" within the human body. According to the theory, all human bodies give off unique or characteristic "radiations" as do all other physical bodies or objects. Such radiations are often termed an "aura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_%28paranormal%29)"."

So you're talking of an "Aura" detector ???

And what do you mean for "neon detector" ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Seden]

Max,

Not to worry about the term used "Radiesthesia", the book contains a collection of his works over decades. Some out there, some plain old Telluric Current study,whatever.

In my earlier post I said here's the motherlode site for Rota and then forgot to post it:nono:

OK, here it is:
http://wikirota.org/en/Main_Page

Go down the page till you see the link to The Universal Currents just above earth antenna and there you shall see the schematic for the simple neon bulb detector. This paper has the summation of Rota's theory and is worth serious study. Rota's no idiot and this is where the magnetic vector is mentioned.

Print it out and let me know what you think,

Randy

[WM6]

"Louis Rota (http://wikirota.org/en/Louis_Rota_Time_Line) was very secretive about his work and published very little."

Understandably, they are also found very little, actually nothing.

"Rota did not use any electronic equipment, only a stop watch and a hight impedance headset connected to a ground or/and aerial antenna network."

As first amateur radio enthusiast did, and found many times the same "theluric" effect. Metal rods in soil work as weak battery, metal rods in air collect atmosheric, airflow and environment charge and this is all of thelurity.

[J_Player]

Max,

Not to worry about the term used "Radiesthesia", the book contains a collection of his works over decades. Some out there, some plain old Telluric Current study,whatever.

In my earlier post I said here's the motherlode site for Rota and then forgot to post it:nono:

OK, here it is:
http://wikirota.org/en/Main_Page

Go down the page till you see the link to The Universal Currents just above earth antenna and there you shall see the schematic for the simple neon bulb detector. This paper has the summation of Rota's theory and is worth serious study. Rota's no idiot and this is where the magnetic vector is mentioned.

Print it out and let me know what you think,

Randy


Hi Randy,
The Roda pages are very interesting to read. The theory that there are 5 currents, only two of which have been discovered by people other than Roda is intriguing. But there is one problem with the Roda theories.

After reading every paper on that site, nobody has been able to use that information to make any practical apparatus that serves a useful function. We read about stories of people who did great things with these theories in decades past. but nobody is reporting any success today. For example, Nobody has been successful at building the airplane that defies gravity and high winds. No doctors or medical suppliers are providing the therapeutic mattresses with treated metal sandwiches to cure people. Nobody is out locating distant vehicles and other objects as are claimed to have been done by Roda. It seems everyone is using conventional air travel, vehicle locating tools, and conventional medicines. And the list goes on.

Is it possible that the essential details were omitted from Roda's works? Perhaps he did this intentionally due to wartime spy activity during his studies. But it doesn't matter what the reason. The fact is nobody has been successful at producing apparatus that we can use to competently accomplish anything useful.

There is one possible exception if the reports are true about ground antennas. I read some reports where people are claiming they get good radio signals from pushing a metal rod and other metal antennas in the ground.

What I think about all the stuff on the Wikiroda is it is interesting to read, but worthless to waste time experimenting with because the odds of accomplishing anything useful is very slim. I suppose if I had nothing else to do, it might be fun to experiment with that stuff.

Best wishes,
J_P

[sweatofglory]

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[Qiaozhi]

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[Qiaozhi]

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[Mike(Mont)]

Randy,

I searched the country for it and found there are a few libraries that have a copy but will not loan it out. I think they said it was a home printing or something like that so there are very few copies. There are a few copies in libraries in UK and France, but I didn't check on the availability. Anyway, I read somewhere the papers are hard to follow and poor quality printing, and Tromp's "Psychical Physics" is much better. Don't know this as a fact as I've never read either of them.

[Seden]

Thanks for your level headed input and yeah no one to my knowledge has done anything with Rota's work.

To be specific, my interest in Rota,Maby+Franklins work is that they all found different sounds(as seen on the O'Scope pictures) from different metals used as the Ground Antenna posts. I don't care about anything else these gentlemen worked on but that and to be able to use this to locate buried metal deposits in prospecting for gold.

The patent I listed by Anthony Barringer does in fact utilize telluric currents for mineral exploration using standard electromagnetic detection. I would like to see what a scalar detector at those frequencies would show.

Randy

[J_Player]

Thanks for your level headed input and yeah no one to my knowledge has done anything with Rota's work.

To be specific, my interest in Rota,Maby+Franklins work is that they all found different sounds(as seen on the O'Scope pictures) from different metals used as the Ground Antenna posts. I don't care about anything else these gentlemen worked on but that and to be able to use this to locate buried metal deposits in prospecting for gold.

The patent I listed by Anthony Barringer does in fact utilize telluric currents for mineral exploration using standard electromagnetic detection. I would like to see what a scalar detector at those frequencies would show.

RandyHi Randy,

You're right. The geotechnical aspects of Rota and the other experimenters are what caught my interest, along with the "ground antenna" work. There is a body of evidence as well as a technology associated with these. Their theories and discoveries could be useful for building experimental instruments to locate ore deposits or other buried things.

Also, the telluric currents were used to power telegraph signals in the days before radio and telephones. As I recall, there were specialists who could choose good places to drive rods into the ground that would produce enough current to drive telegraph lines without using batteries. They could simply string a single wire and let the ground rods provide the return path as well as the power. In places where telluric conditions were poor, they had to use batteries with a 2-wire transmission line. It seems these "ground battery" driven telegraphs became stronger with age, same as what Roda says. If I had the time I would be experimenting with these things too.

P.S. Don't forget to answer your emali.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Astrodetect]

Hi all
Take a look at what I have found.This detector is very sensitive to electromagnetic fields up to 100microTesla. This is the sensors that OKM Manufacturer uses in their
Detectors for imaging what is in the ground. What do you think, will this work for detecting electromagnetic anomalies Esteban?

[hung]

Although the FLC100's primary purpose is to actually detect leaking EM emanations and from very close distances, yes it could be converted to the purposes you mention.
But for this, some mods would have to be done such as different frequency span, narrower bandwidth (for pinpointing) and possibly a bigger coil to match wavelengths better.

IMO there are other more effective ways to long distance metal detecting if this is what you mean.

Also, how do you know this is the Rover C sensor?

Regards.

[Astrodetect]

Welcome Hung
About the rover c unit once upon a time I bought it and I opened it up and saw this sensor.Anyway I also bought this same sensor and made a duplicate rover c.It was easy to clone.It uses a microcontroller called C-Control and this FLC sensor.
It didnt work.......as advertised.
So tell me Hung what is another way that you suggest we can detect Long range targets?
Please give your experience and opinions.
Thanks

[Esteban]

This kind of sensor is not useful for long range (some meters). You need a more big coil here for to detect the magnetic anomalies caused by buried metals in the soil. A small coil is not good for detect at distance. A big coil is influenced by all kinds of magnetic interferences. An adequate coil is medium size, few turns. Or loop-core system low in ohms.

[Astrodetect]

Hello All
Yes Esteban I agree you need a coil in order to be
able to detect magnetic fields of buried metals.
But please explain how you can do this using an
IB Metal Detector?????You have much experience in
this subject.
Thank you

[J_Player]

Hello All
Yes Esteban I agree you need a coil in order to be
able to detect magnetic fields of buried metals.
But please explain how you can do this using an
IB Metal Detector?????You have much experience in
this subject.
Thank youHi Astrodetect and Esteban,
I would also like to know this technique. From what I know, IB detectors are very unstable when you tune them to the limits of their sensitivity. What circuits can we use to keep the IB detector stable for use in locating distant buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Hi Astrodetect and Esteban,
I would also like to know this technique. From what I know, IB detectors are very unstable when you tune them to the limits of their sensitivity. What circuits can we use to keep the IB detector stable for use in locating distant buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P

I prefer an off-resonance type, because not depend of the zero in coils. An only IB detector (or another type) doesn't work alone. This is supporting by RF sensor. The white noise of RF receiver (FM) "help" the final audio stage (beeper), because the beeper is in the edge with this method. Also because the RF detector make "his job". So, we have 2 detectors.

[WM6]

I prefer an off-resonance type, .

You are constant off-resonance type.

[detectoman]

hello esteban: then the circuit 5 of pd is fm?

[goldfinder]

What can you say Mike(Mont)?
There are people that they will pass their time in this life whith no improvement at all.
But don't worry my friend there still hope for them.
A friend of mine says that there is a medicine for this condition.
You can always give them a light to medium stroke using a frying pan at the upper back of their head( :stars: ktong.. is the right sound to be heard) and bingo their brain will start working.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Actukally a near death experience is the best as they get to review their life and find out what to total screwed up mess they are.
Goldfinder

[WM6]

Actukally a near death experience is the best as they get to review their life and find out what to total screwed up mess they are.
Goldfinder

Very good! But: why "they" and "their"?

Do you belong to the immortal?

[Esteban]

hello esteban: then the circuit 5 of pd is fm?

You can use FM radio receiver instead ferrite section.

[Astrodetect]

Hello Esteban
Maybe it would be better to use a phase comparator to read the difference in phase modulation of the TX of metal detector instead of FM receiver?
What is your opinion?
Thanks again

[Esteban]

Hello Esteban
Maybe it would be better to use a phase comparator to read the difference in phase modulation of the TX of metal detector instead of FM receiver?
What is your opinion?
Thanks again

Is possible. As you know, when is transmitted IR rays, for example, at 1 Khz, you hear the tone in the FM receiver. This appears a kind of phase shift in the receiver (FM). The phenomenon causes by buried metal in the ray change the state of phase shift and can be converted in audible signal. Remember that here the IR is the transmitter. I think your TX coil must be automodulated in audio in this case, the same of the Heathkit TX.

[Astrodetect]

Thanks Esteban
So if we use a phase comparator and insert in one input the TX signal modulated at 500hz from the Heathkit, and in the other input the signal from the RX stage then we get the difference when we are in the vicinity of the phenomenon of buried metals????
Thanks

[detectoman]

hi guys, here show the second version experimental of pd, these is very nerveous, but very promise, but this is in exaustive modification, due excesive brious, tries for put the correct stabilization and voila! i think this draft more in warm sun, here we have winter, but these detect too ufos

[Seden]

Dectoman,

Very good on the photo of your detector. Is the circuit board your using XXX-PC? The idea about detecting the phase shift makes sense and more accurate I would think than using your ear.

Is that detector based on Estebans IR scheme?

Randy

[detectoman]

hello seden, no this is pistol detector of alonso of south america, this came from private forum, have others circuits to turn, this detector is very complex for equalibrate